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The Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.
BREAKING: Missouri Legislators Vote To Nullify All Federal Gun Control Laws
12 hours ago | Politics, US | Posted by Michael Lotfi
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo., February 21, 2014– A Missouri bill which seeks to nullify virtually every federal gun control measure on the books, “whether past, present or future,” passed the Senate Thursday. SB613 would ban the state from enforcing virtually all federal gun control measures, and includes criminal charges for federal agents attempting to violate the right to keep and bear arms in Missouri.
The measure passed 23-10.
http://benswann.com/breaking-missouri-legislators-vote-to-nullify-all-federal-gun-control-laws/
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Breaking News: This is a story from the Onion. It has to be. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land. And under that document, federal law supersedes state law. It's called the Supremacy Clause. It's in the constitution.
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Steps in the right direction at the very least.
http://www.news-leader.com/article/20140220/NEWS11/302200104/Missouri-Senate-to-take-up-gun-nullification-bill
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — An effort to nullify federal gun control laws and jail any federal agents trying to enforce them cleared the Missouri Senate Thursday, but a court challenge and another potential veto by Gov. Jay Nixon could ultimately block the legislation even if the House approves it again.
“I am proud to say that we have passed arguably one of the strongest Second Amendment protections in the country,” said sponsoring Sen. Brian Nieves, R-Washington.
The Senate voted 23-10 to send Nieves’ legislation, dubbed the “Second Amendment Preservation Act,” to the House. It would declare some federal gun laws to be null and void in Missouri. Federal agents knowingly enforcing those laws could face civil penalties and prosecution under a newly created state crime punishable by up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine.
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Breaking News: This is a story from the Onion. It has to be. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land. And under that document, federal law supersedes state law. It's called the Supremacy Clause. It's in the constitution.
The supremacy of federal law over state law only applies if Congress is acting in pursuance of its constitutionally authorized powers.
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The supremacy of federal law over state law only applies if Congress is acting in pursuance of its constitutionally authorized powers.
Stop infusing truth and facts into this thread.
You have to use lies, ignorance and misplaced emotions like the drone you responded to.
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what a waste of time, going to get tossed out in court :D :D just more of the dumbing down of the repub party
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Breaking News: This is a story from the Onion. It has to be. The US constitution is the supreme law of the land. And under that document, federal law supersedes state law. It's called the Supremacy Clause. It's in the constitution.
except whent he fed govt doesnt want to enforce the law right, securing the borders, marijuana, illegal immigration...
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difficult here.
if some state legalizes gay marriage or late term abortion, repubs want the fed govt to override it.
at the same time, if some state legalizes ALL GUN LAWS REVOKED, dems want the fed govt to override it.
neither side is consistent. They all like the govt having power when the states do something they hate, and they scream about states rights when states violate fed law with something they agree with. Business as usual!
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except whent he fed govt doesnt want to enforce the law right, securing the borders, marijuana, illegal immigration...
That is quite right.
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The supremacy of federal law over state law only applies if Congress is acting in pursuance of its constitutionally authorized powers.
I don't know what you mean by this. States have no right to nullify federal law. State nullification of conflicting federal law is unconstitutional. I think that's where you're going with that.
The Sup. Clause of the constitution springs to life where federal law conflicts with State law and state law ALWAYS loses. It's preempted by the federal statute.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi
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Getting that same tingling in my drawers right now that I got when reading about the Swiss immigration referendum. :D
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I don't know what you mean by this. States have no right to nullify federal law. State nullification of conflicting federal law is unconstitutional. I think that's where you're going with that.
The Sup. Clause of the constitution springs to life where federal law conflicts with State law and state law ALWAYS loses. It's preempted by the federal statute.
This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi
except when it a law they dont agree with...
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except when it a law they dont agree with...
Nullification is unconstitutional. No exceptions.
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Nullification is unconstitutional. No exceptions.
So gay marriage rights and pot legalization are unconstitutional?
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So gay marriage rights and pot legalization are unconstitutional?
Gay marriage is a state matter where I believe federal statutes are silent. So there is no conflict btn state and federal law.
Marijuana use and possession is illegal under federal law. If the feds wanted to, they could shut down all the pot houses in CO and arrest anyone with possession of herb. But the law is not being enforced by the feds. So the state decriminalized weed and is rolling the dice that the feds won't drop the hammer preempting state legalization laws.
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BREAKING: Idaho governor signs emergency legislation nullifying all future federal gun laws
By: Michael Lotfi Mar 22, 2014
BOISE, March 21, 2014 – On Thursday, Idaho Governor Butch Otter (R) signed a bill, which would effectively nullify future federal gun laws, by prohibiting state enforcement of any future federal act relating to personal firearms, a firearm accessories or ammunition.
S1332 passed the house by a vote of 68-0 and the senate by a vote of 34-0. Alaska and Kansas have also passed similar laws.
Erich Pratt, Director of Communications for Gun Owners of America, cheered the governor’s action. “By signing this nullification bill into law, Idaho has joined an elite class of states that are telling the feds to ‘get lost’ — especially when it comes to unconstitutional gun control infringements”
Introduced by the State Affairs Committee, the Idaho Federal Firearm, Magazine and Register Ban Enforcement Act, will:
“protect Idaho law enforcement officers from being directed, through federal executive orders, agency orders, statutes, laws, rules, or regulations enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, to violate their oath of office and Idaho citizens’ rights under Section 11, Article I, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho.”
Read more: http://benswann.com/breaking-idaho-governor-signs-emergency-legislation-nullifying-all-future-federal-gun-laws/#ixzz2wvZsMYAe
Follow us: @BenSwann_ on Twitter
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Getting that same tingling in my drawers right now that I got when reading about the Swiss immigration referendum. :D
It's called gonorrhea dude. Get yourself checked. j/k ;)
How could I possibly resist such a perfect set up? ;D
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Good for these states. Very good news
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I sincerely hope this becomes a trend with more states following.
The only way to be heard is to speak up!
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These will get overturned
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I sincerely hope this becomes a trend with more states following.
The only way to be heard is to speak up!
Are you gonna shoot some kids today?
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Haha, blackenwork seems upset by this
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Are you gonna shoot some kids today?
It's truly frightening the way your kind thinks and the conclusions you draw.
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Haha, blackenwork seems upset by this
could care less,just telling you what's going to happen,if you want to live in pretend world have at it lol
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Obama is nullifying his own obamacare law and you leftists care about this why?
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It's truly frightening the way your kind thinks and the conclusions you draw.
It is very disturbing. They just cant WAIT for another tragedy to exploit to push their agenda.
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Are you gonna shoot some kids today?
Wow, that's a pretty fucked up statement.
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Wow, that's a pretty fucked up statement.
They don't give a damn - its the agenda over all else
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It is very disturbing. They just cant WAIT for another tragedy to exploit to push their agenda.
Not only that, but it serves as a clear demonstration the juvenile, irrational, and non-sequitur leap in logic that all supporters of gun ownership are mass murderers of children.
It's frightening that this is included in our voting public.
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Are you gonna shoot some kids today?
HEHEHEEH!!
Massive meltdown.
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Wow, that's a pretty fucked up statement.
His comment demonstrates his prejudice toward and ignorance of gun owners. Hes so delusional he believes legal gun owners are out shooting kids. He must have read that on think progress or saw it on the daily show.
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Not only that, but it serves as a clear demonstration the juvenile, irrational, and non-sequitur leap in logic that all supporters of gun ownership are mass murderers of children.
It's frightening that this is included in our voting public.
I totally agree. Every statistic on the subject of gun ownership clearly indicate the vast majority of legal gun owners are law abiding citizens. Unfortunately no amount of proof will change his mind.
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Are you gonna shoot some kids today?
Let's see which moron is first to defend this post.
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His comment demonstrates his prejudice toward and ignorance of gun owners. Hes so delusional he believes legal gun owners are out shooting kids. He must have read that on think progress or saw it on the daily show.
Could be worse he could be watching fox news
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That didn't take long! ^^^
Let's see which moron is first to defend this post.
Could be worse he could be watching fox news
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Could be worse he could be watching fox news
I don't watch fox news so your comment is meaningless to me.
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That didn't take long!
Its not even a defense but a diversion.
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Lmao you automatically knew their 'defense' would include one of the following:
1.fox news
2.george bush
3.racist
4.sarah palin/michelle bachmann
5.KOCH BROTHERS
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Lmao you automatically knew their 'defense' would include one of the following:
1.fox news
2.george bush
3.racist
4.sarah palin/michelle bachmann
5.KOCH BROTHERS
almost as bad as blame Obama lol
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this is how your state laws are going to turn out :D :D
US top court rules domestic abusers can't own guns
Source: CENT NEWS
United States - The US Supreme Court in a unanimous ruling Wednesday upheld a federal law barring anyone convicted of even a minor domestic violence charge from ever owning a gun.
The nine justices of the top court ruled against James Castleman, who argued that his past conviction in Tennessee of misdemeanor domestic assault against the mother of his child shouldn't keep him from owning a firearm under federal law.
Castleman had been charged with illegal possession of a firearm when he and his wife were later accused of trafficking weapons on the black market. One of these weapons was found at the scene of a crime in Chicago.
An appeals court in Tennessee had agreed with Castleman's contention that the Tennessee definition of misdemeanor domestic assault is less strict than the federal one, and that the incident for which he was convicted did not include physical force as described under the federal law.
But the Supreme Court overruled that decision.
Progressive Justice Sonia Sotomayor said Castleman's arguments "are unpersuasive" and the court saw "no anomaly in grouping domestic abusers convicted of generic assault or battery offenses together with the others whom (federal law) disqualifies from gun ownership."
The top court thus upholds the federal law on gun ownership, which is more strict than those of most states.
Read more: http://www.centnews.com/Politics/US-top-court-rules-domestic-abusers-can-t-own-guns/S-2014-03-26/50365.html
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Obama is to blame for the messy dirty shit I took this am that cost me an entire roll of toilet paper.
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Obama is to blame for the messy dirty shit I took this am that cost me an entire roll of toilet paper.
don't lie, you know you don't wipe ;D
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Obama is to blame for the messy dirty shit I took this am that cost me an entire roll of toilet paper.
I blame him for everything....if the Red Sox don't win again this year....its because they went to the whitehouse and Barry's fail infected them.
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It's truly frightening the way your kind thinks and the conclusions you draw.
Dead kids is great.
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It is very disturbing. They just cant WAIT for another tragedy to exploit to push their agenda.
And that agenda is to prevent another tragedy from happening.
Where as your agenda is to kill kids.
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Wow, that's a pretty fucked up statement.
Yeah focus on the statement and not the dead bodies.
Idiot.
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Not only that, but it serves as a clear demonstration the juvenile, irrational, and non-sequitur leap in logic that all supporters of gun ownership are mass murderers of children.
It's frightening that this is included in our voting public.
No but its prettty sad that you people dont take responsibility for your actions. Current gun Laws= more dead children. Own it or fuck you hypocrit.
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His comment demonstrates his prejudice toward and ignorance of gun owners. Hes so delusional he believes legal gun owners are out shooting kids. He must have read that on think progress or saw it on the daily show.
No but its prettty sad that you people dont take responsibility for your actions. Current gun Laws= more dead children. Own it or fuck you hypocrit.
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I totally agree. Every statistic on the subject of gun ownership clearly indicate the vast majority of legal gun owners are law abiding citizens. Unfortunately no amount of proof will change his mind.
You are a fucking idiot. The issue is not if people are "law abiding" Citizens.
The issue is if the policy is causing dead kids. It is.
Wake up from your fantasy World.
Law abiding citizens ::)
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And that agenda is to prevent another tragedy from happening.
Where as your agenda is to kill kids.
Legal gun owners aren't committing crimes to the degree you seem to believe. Banning law abiding citizens from owning weapons wont change the crime rate much or at all. Chicago has one of the strongest set of gun laws and it makes little difference. The war on drugs and especially alcohol prohibition clearly demonstrate what can happen. Its strange how those on left are so obsessed with attacking legal gun owners when these people rarely engage in criminal activity. Its a waste of time and resources. Its simply scapegoating.
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You are a fucking idiot. The issue is not if people are "law abiding" Citizens.
The issue is if the policy is causing dead kids. It is.
Wake up from your fantasy World.
Law abiding citizens ::)
Oh please, its pointless exercise. The criminals who engage in gun violence arent going to be effected by gun laws one bit just like those who want drugs can find them regardless of the existing law.
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Legal gun owners aren't committing crimes to the degree you seem to believe. Banning law abiding citizens from owning weapons wont change the crime rate much or at all. Chicago has one of the strongest set of gun laws and it makes little difference. The war on drugs and especially alcohol prohibition clearly demonstrate what can happen. Its strange how those on left are so obsessed with attacking legal gun owners when these people rarely engage in criminal activity. Its a waste of time and resources. Its simply scapegoating.
Look at Australia.
And forget about the law abiding Citizens argument this is not kindergarden.
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Oh please, its pointless exercise. The criminals who engage in gun violence arent going to be effected by gun laws one bit just like those who want drugs can find them regardless of the existing law.
Its usually not gangbangers who shoot up schools etc..
Pro-guns = Dead kids.
Its that simple. Just like being pro cars= traffic victims.
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Its usually not gangbangers who shoot up schools etc..
Pro-guns = Dead kids.
Its that simple. Just like being pro cars= traffic victims.
I suggest you educate yourself on gun violence statistics. You obvious have no idea what youre talking about. Youre just parroting what you hear and rear. School shootings are tragic but rare in comparison to other forms of gun violence.
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I suggest you educate yourself on gun violence statistics. You obvious have no idea what youre talking about. Youre just parroting what you hear and rear. School shootings are tragic but rare in comparison to other forms of gun violence.
Your point?
School shootings could happen every 1000 years for all i care.
Take ownership you hyp.
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Your point?
School shootings could happen every 1000 years for all i care.
Take ownership you hyp.
I have nothing to take ownership of. Youre the fool who thinks banning guns will reduce the crime rate. One need only look at the murder rates in the areas of the country with the strictness gun laws to see how ridiculous that idea is. The entire premise of your argument is baseless. The example you give of school shootings is poor evidence because as I mentioned they are anamolus.
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I have nothing to take ownership of. Youre the fool who thinks banning guns will reduce the crime rate. One need only look at the murder rates in the areas of the country with the strictness gun laws to see how ridiculous that idea is. The entire premise of your argument is baseless. The example you give of school shootings is poor evidence because as I mentioned they are anamolus.
Whork is a left wing incompetent troll - leave it be
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Whork is a left wing incompetent troll - leave it be
Man, is he ever. Completely indoctrinated. He really believes school shootings are epidemic. Hes the same kind of person who believes white people are out shooting little trayvons.
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I have nothing to take ownership of. Youre the fool who thinks banning guns will reduce the crime rate. One need only look at the murder rates in the areas of the country with the strictness gun laws to see how ridiculous that idea is. The entire premise of your argument is baseless. The example you give of school shootings is poor evidence because as I mentioned they are anamolus.
Compare gun deaths in countries like the US to lets say any country in Europe.
You are the one talking about crime rates you indoctrinated fool. You brainwashed FOX news sheep. This is not good vs evil, bad Guys with guns vs good Guys with guns you imbecil.
Stay out this conversation you clearly lack the mental capacity to participate.
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Whork is a left wing incompetent troll - leave it be
Much better to be a right wing troll right SC :)
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Compare gun deaths in countries like the US to lets say any country in Europe.
You are the one talking about crime rates you indoctrinated fool. You brainwashed FOX news sheep. This is not good vs evil, bad Guys with guns vs good Guys with guns you imbecil.
Stay out this conversation you clearly lack the mental capacity to participate.
Oh you mean ones w tiny population of homogeneous whites who work? Yeah lets compare that to all white states in USA like Idaho, Wyoming, S & N Dakotah, Montanah, Vermont, etc will we? Lets see the results?
But for the thug element in this country - our crime rates are no different.
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Oh you mean ones w tiny population of homogeneous whites who work? Yeah lets compare that to all white states in USA like Idaho, Wyoming, S & N Dakotah, Montanah, Vermont, etc will we? Lets see the results?
But for the thug element in this country - our crime rates are no different.
Sure lets do it:
Here is Idaho (PS no idea of the source i did a fast Google search:
http://www.boiseweekly.com/CityDesk/archives/2011/01/11/idaho-15th-deadliest-gun-state-says-daily-beast
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Compare gun deaths in countries like the US to lets say any country in Europe.
You are the one talking about crime rates you indoctrinated fool. You brainwashed FOX news sheep. This is not good vs evil, bad Guys with guns vs good Guys with guns you imbecil.
Stay out this conversation you clearly lack the mental capacity to participate.
I dont watch fox you bitter fool. You arent debating. You make a snarky comment just to be an ass and I called you on it.
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Sure lets do it:
Here is Idaho (PS no idea of the source i did a fast Google search:
http://www.boiseweekly.com/CityDesk/archives/2011/01/11/idaho-15th-deadliest-gun-state-says-daily-beast
1. Check out the demographics of the cities. Youll be surprised what you might find. This is another example of the warped politically motivated interperaion of data. Its exactly the same bullshit you see with entitlements and conservative states. The whole argument falls to pieces when you take the time to analyze the data by demographics.
2. Are they legal gun owners? Did they procure their guns legally? Compare the number of legal gun owners who dont commit crime to those who do then compare that number to those who use a gun they aquired illegally.
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How many are suicides?
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How many are suicides?
Yes,
3. How many were suicides or accidents
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Dead kids is great for the Left..helps push our agenda.
Fixed
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" using gun deaths and permissiveness of gun laws to rank them"
What an excellent criteria. This says nothing about the number or the nature of the deaths. You are a brainwashed fool who recites talking points
4. How do those states and cities on the this lisk rank in comparison cities with strict gun laws like Chicago?
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Whork, instead of comparing the united states to tiny, homogenous nations, why not compare our murder rates with comparable large, diverse nations.
For example, Brazil and Russia. Brazil has strict gun laws. Russias are tighter than ours. Surely their murder rates are therefore much lower than ours..right?
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There are 80 million gun owners in the US.
This must mean all our kids will be killed right? How on earth do they escape???
Oh and australia's 'gun deaths' may have declined, but their overall murder and crime rate has not dropped. But i forget..a murder only counts to you dumb fucks if a gun was the tool used. If they get murdered with something else, thats perfectly fine and good.
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Again this gets overturned,who cares
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Again this gets overturned,who cares
Ideas, facts and truth matter to some people. When the government makes policy you hope they have researched the issue thoroughly so any policy enacted has a chance to be effective.
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I dont watch fox you bitter fool. You arent debating. You make a snarky comment just to be an ass and I called you on it.
I made a snarky comment?
You called me a brain washed fool remember.
And by the way im pro guns. Fuck those kids a bullet is what they deserve. Will improve the economy as well with less people on welfare.
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I made a snarky comment?
You called me a brain washed fool remember.
And by the way im pro guns. Fuck those kids a bullet is what they deserve. Will improve the economy as well with less people on welfare.
::)
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Ideas, facts and truth matter to some people. When the government makes policy you hope they have researched the issue thoroughly so any policy enacted has a chance to be effective.
I see you said facts. The FACT is this will get overturned.those are the FACTS
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I see you said facts. The FACT is this will get overturned.those are the FACTS
You have nothing. You've repeated this several times already.
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You have nothing. You've repeated this several times already.
And you have kooky repubs passing laws that are going to get overturned. Lol priceless
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And you have kooky repubs passing laws that are going to get overturned. Lol priceless
Again, you have nothing of value to contribute so you repeat yourself.
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Again, you have nothing of value to contribute so you repeat yourself.
Those are the facts that's what we have to go by,not by wishful thinking like yourself.the facts just the facts
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Hows the weather today in your country, blackenwork?
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Those are the facts that's what we have to go by,not by wishful thinking like yourself.the facts just the facts
Wishful thinking? What are you pratlling on about now? We were discussing policy. Specifically whorks asinine comments.
Hows the weather today in your country, blackenwork?
They have got to be the same guy.
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Hows the weather today in your country, blackenwork?
Cant speak for Blacken but here its 15 degrees or so and cloudy.
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Wishful thinking? What are you pratlling on about now? We were discussing policy. Specifically whorks asinine comments.
They have got to be the same guy.
I'm just posting on the topic of this post not wishfull thinking like yourself
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I'm just posting on the topic of this post not wishfull thinking like yourself
An example of my wishful thinking, please. You posted the same thing over again. You weren't discussing the policy at all.
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An example of my wishful thinking, please. You posted the same thing over again. You weren't discussing the policy at all.
So you want to discuss a policy that's not going to happen,lol that's what you call wishful thinking
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So you want to discuss a policy that's not going to happen,lol that's what you call wishful thinking
What youre saying is you never discuss a potential law unless you know it's going to pass? You dont give it a second thought? You dont think about its merits or detriments? That makes no sense and is willful ignorance.
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What youre saying is you never discuss a potential law unless you know it's going to pass? You dont give it a second thought? You dont think about its merits or detriments? That makes no sense and is willful ignorance.
Discussing a law that will never pass makes no sence and is willful ignorance
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Discussing a law that will never pass makes no sence and is willful ignorance
It probably doesn't make sence but it makes sense to discuss it.