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Really? I find that hard to believe.
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I think it's true.
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strong layne norton like genetics. i suspect norton is on some sort of PEDs though. too lean to be that strong
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As natural as strawberry-flavored anal lube.
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Really? I find that hard to believe.
First rule, when trying to sell any ideas or programs related to fitness, ALWAYS CLAIM Natty
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TA has a phenomenal build
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Really? I find that hard to believe.
"The only thing thats worse than being talked about is not being talked about."
hello adonis.
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I'm not sure why people doubt TA's natty status. He's one of the most condescending, self righteous, full of himself douchebags the internet has ever seen.......that is for sure. However that doesn't mean he's not natty.
He's been working out and dieting consistently for years.
There is nothing special about his physique. It's a good solid, NATTY physique.
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I'm not sure why people doubt TA's natty status. He's one of the most condescending, self righteous, full of himself douchebags the internet has ever seen.......that is for sure. However that doesn't mean he's not natty.
He's been working out and dieting consistently for years.
There is nothing special about his physique. It's a good solid, NATTY physique.
No doubt it can be achieved natty. But for someone so obsessed with how others perceive him, I have no doubt he would take any shortcut available -- and lie about it.
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Easily natural he is hardly a large man.
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Any idiot who saw his best pics and thinks he is natural needs to stay away from bodybuilding because of sheer dumbness.
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TA has a phenomenal build
things slow on muscle week dave ;)
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I believe so. He weighed like 165 in his best pics.
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Don't see why so many think he's not natural. Looks 100% natural to me and I don't think he would lie about it. He's really not that big, not saying he looks like shit but just not roid big. Is it that one bloody pic? That could just be from upping calories and salt and or cratine bloat.
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Natural or not, hes still a snidely little grassing shitbag.
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Even in his best pics he could be pegged as natural.
CN....are you upset you can't achieve that natty?
Not everyone is the same y'know.
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Even in his best pics he could be pegged as natural.
CN....are you upset you can't achieve that natty?
Not everyone is the same y'know.
I have achieved a better build off AND on drugs than his best version so I am not "comparing" myself to him. But I do not expect you to understand what can or cannot be done naturally or enhanced.
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What a beast - no way this guy's natty :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351776.0;attach=387213;image)
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I have achieved a better build off AND on drugs than his best version so I am not "comparing" myself to him. But I do not expect you to understand what can or cannot be done naturally or enhanced.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Okay....pics are definintely needed for this "claim". ::)
Post your best pics.
Hahahaha......this is hilarious.
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What a beast - no way this guy's natty :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351776.0;attach=387213;image)
Guy on the right is Mentzer lean.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Okay....pics are definintely needed for this "claim". ::)
Post your best pics.
Hahahaha......this is hilarious.
Noooooooooo………..You have walked right into Sevs trap. ;D
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There is a pic of him all puffed up when "bulking", but he is holding to much water to be natural. Either dianabol or anapolon.
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Noooooooooo………..You have walked right into Sevs trap. ;D
Probably.....he's probably salivating at his keyboard with the mouse on "additional options" just eager to post his pics.
He'll probably start the Jason Statham comparison again as well. ::)
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No, it will be the "leg shot" standing in 3 months worth of dirty laundry and his bathroom shot cut of at the start of his cock.
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He seems to feign ignorance about steroids and related subjects. Strange for someone strongly involved in the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past several years.
Many naturals who are really into bodybuilding would have done research on steroids, what types, how to use, the dangers, etc out of pure interest since steroids are a major part of bodybuilding.
Maybe I have the wrong impression of him based on his postings on the boardings.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Okay....pics are definintely needed for this "claim". ::)
Post your best pics.
Hahahaha......this is hilarious.
change your name to "DumbSlut" please
first is no drugs just diet and second is after a 5 week cycle (2007 and 2013)
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He seems to feign ignorance about steroids and related subjects. Strange for someone strongly involved in the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past several years.
Many naturals who are really into bodybuilding would have done research on steroids, what types, how to use, the dangers, etc out of pure interest since steroids are a major part of bodybuilding.
Maybe I have the wrong impression of him based on his postings on the boardings.
Its a good point.
Anyone who has been bodybuilding for several years consistently and is passionate about training would either have dabbled in steroids or researched it.
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The second pic you can trash....TA owns you in that second pic from what I've seen of his best.
That first.....I want a side by side comparison.....you may have him in the second when you're geared up.
However I don't see why you're bragging......he's natty and you're not.
Regardless he's still pretty fucking close to you natty Sev so you really have nothing to be proud of with regards to TA. Except the fact that you're not a psycho rat like him.
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Haha remember this shit? TA is so conceited....but I think he has Sev. And this is definitely achievable natty.
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I have achieved a better build off AND on drugs than his best version so I am not "comparing" myself to him. But I do not expect you to understand what can or cannot be done naturally or enhanced.
Yeah yeah you have elite genetics we know.
Adonis is still a tiny tit. Easily attainable naturally. If it took drugs for him to get that then he literally has the worst response in the history of AAS.
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After about 5 seconds of comparing TA and CN's best pics in this thread I'm going to have to say TA takes this.
Not by a landslide though. However he still looks better natty than CN does juiced.
He also beats CN in the complete douchery category. He beats us all at that though.
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The second pic you can trash....TA owns you in that second pic from what I've seen of his best.
That first.....I want a side by side comparison.....you may have him in the second when you're geared up.
However I don't see why you're bragging......he's natty and you're not.
Regardless he's still pretty fucking close to you natty Sev so you really have nothing to be proud of with regards to TA. Except the fact that you're not a psycho rat like him.
haha, you are either blind and clueless or in love with TA and clueless
I take it as a personal offense being compared to this (on juice or clean)
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Here's another "gem" from TA "interviewing" Branch
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Haha remember this shit? TA is so conceited....but I think he has Sev. And this is definitely achievable natty.
*cringe* did he make this pic himself? What a tool
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Here's another "gem" from TA "interviewing" Branch
lmao what a fucking moron this guy is - Branch is looking at him like "is this guy for real?"
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change your name to "DumbSlut" please
first is no drugs just diet and second is after a 5 week cycle (2007 and 2013)
SEV, you need to take the fat pic out of the second photo, people may think that you went from fat to fit in 5 weeks, that didnt happen.
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SEV, you need to take the fat pic out of the second photo, people may think that you went from fat to fit in 5 weeks, that didnt happen.
I went from that to that in 5 months and stated that everywhere I posted this photo. Relax idiot ;)
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I went from that to that in 5 months and stated that everywhere I posted this photo. Relax idiot ;)
Now now, just when I was warming to you. ;D
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Now now, just when I was warming to you. ;D
haha .. no hugging please
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has there been a single new pic of him in the last 5 or so years? I'm honestly asking, haven't been paying attention but when I was, he was always promising them but never delivered.
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has there been a single new pic of him in the last 5 or so years? I'm honestly asking, haven't been paying attention but when I was, he was always promising them but never delivered.
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo96/joshistrashy/nerd-1.jpg?t=1292785681)
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has there been a single new pic of him in the last 5 or so years? I'm honestly asking, haven't been paying attention but when I was, he was always promising them but never delivered.
Most of his decent pics are a few years old... the last few yers he was busy convincing everyone you can get ripped eating icecream. He is a decent guy but likes to troll.
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Most of his decent pics are a few years old... the last few yers he was busy convincing everyone you can get ripped eating icecream. He is a decent guy but likes to troll.
So the same stuff, really. Gotcha.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373718;image)
Yes. Lifetime Natural.
But if you want to believe otherwise, you are more than welcome to. I will accept the flattery as a compliment.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373718;image)
Yes. Lifetime Natural.
But if you want to believe otherwise, you are more than welcome to. I will accept the flattery as a compliment.
Do you have any shaky ones?
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He seems to feign ignorance about steroids and related subjects. Strange for someone strongly involved in the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past several years.
Many naturals who are really into bodybuilding would have done research on steroids, what types, how to use, the dangers, etc out of pure interest since steroids are a major part of bodybuilding.
Maybe I have the wrong impression of him based on his postings on the boardings.
I am actually ignorant of it and have no qualms saying that. I know bits and pieces what I pick up from the boards and all of it crap to me and dangerous. I think steroids add another variable that is uncontrollable to it and I like having complete control. With steroids, you have to constantly pick and choose different ones it seems, constantly go up and down or just constantly be on them all the while your health goes into the toilet. I don`t see this as beneficial as there are no long term gains.
If Uncle Junior, who likes to waste money, wants to set up a lie detector test-they run about 150 dollars-I would be more than willing to take such a test. You could ask anything you wanted to about steroids and I will pass it with flying colors.
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I am actually ignorant of it and have no qualms saying that. I know bits and pieces what I pick up from the boards and all of it crap to me and dangerous. I think steroids add another variable that is uncontrollable to it and I like having complete control. With steroids, you have to constantly pick and choose different ones it seems, constantly go up and down or just constantly be on them all the while your health goes into the toilet. I don`t see this as beneficial as there are no long term gains.
If Uncle Junior, who likes to waste money, wants to set up a lie detector test-they run about 150 dollars-I would be more than willing to take such a test. You could ask anything you wanted to about steroids and I will pass it with flying colors.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/84fd2297fecd327e04aed4be6404a604/tumblr_mxa8km7Hq51smcbm7o1_250.gif)
pay for your own test , Junior isnt a bottomless pit you know?
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(http://25.media.tumblr.com/84fd2297fecd327e04aed4be6404a604/tumblr_mxa8km7Hq51smcbm7o1_250.gif)
pay for your own test , Junior isnt a bottomless pit you know?
If he is going to throw money down the toilet, why not at least do it so you can learn the truth. Why would I need to pay for it? Why would I need to even take one?
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, styled forward to cover up the reseeding hairline.
;D
to be fair reced hairline doesnt mean much can happen to anyone or, not.
hell, for some reason its a phenomenon seen more often in totaly normal women who dont even lift.
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If he is going to throw money down the toilet, why not at least do it so you can learn the truth. Why would I need to pay for it? Why would I need to even take one?
To achieve what you have yearned for all your life, acceptance from others of course.
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To achieve what you have yearned for all your life, acceptance from others of course.
I think you have it all wrong. I am a highly fact based person who will always speak his mind precisely because I do not care what you or anyone thinks of me. If I wanted to be accepted and liked, I wouldn`t purposely get you and others riled up. Although I see that as your problem and not mine. If you don`t like me or don`t like what I have to say, than so be it. I don`t care one iota.
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Yeah yeah you have elite genetics we know.
Adonis is still a tiny tit. Easily attainable naturally. If it took drugs for him to get that then he literally has the worst response in the history of AAS.
Tennis players John McEnroe and Andre Aggassi both have taken steroids during their career. And McEnroe looks like he never lifted a weight in his life. Yet can no longer ever claim natural status but just clean...
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I think you have it all wrong. I am a highly fact based person who will always speak his mind precisely because I do not care what you or anyone thinks of me. If I wanted to be accepted and liked, I wouldn`t purposely get you and others riled up. Although I see that as your problem and not mine. If you don`t like me or don`t like what I have to say, than so be it. I don`t care one iota.
You dont get me riled up, I know your game.
Its you who is riled or else you wouldn't have posted someones personal info.
It takes a fair amount of hurt for you to do that.
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TA is natural, his genetics are from his biological father, Mike Katz.
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TA is natural, his genetics are from his biological father, Mike Katz.
Yep, pretty much
(http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsK/9113-15369.jpg)
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You dont get me riled up, I know your game.
Its you who is riled or else you wouldn't have posted someones personal info.
It takes a fair amount of hurt for you to do that.
EFS deserved it. He made fun of the TAs dead mother. If the mods wouldn't suck so much he would have been banned. Ron doesn't give a shit anymore.
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TA has a phenomenal build
??? What???
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EFS deserved it. He made fun of the TAs dead mother. If the mods wouldn't suck so much he would have been banned. Ron doesn't give a shit anymore.
link?
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What a beast - no way this guy's natty :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351776.0;attach=387213;image)
If THAT is an "enhanced" physique - somebody is getting screwed
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change your name to "DumbSlut" please
first is no drugs just diet and second is after a 5 week cycle (2007 and 2013)
If you are "on" in either of those pics - you are either using bunk gear or you are a HORRIBLE responder to AAS
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=280163.0;attach=320051;image)
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If I was going to go on a crusade to prove someone was not a lifetime natty and they agreed it would involve highly sophisticated lie detector tests (not the 150 dollar jobs, hell even my girlfriend can pass those) but it would most definitely involve random drug testing with very specific terms attached to it.
Lol, subtle troll attempt. Nice work Jun
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I don't throw money down the toilet, I invest in problem, there is a difference.
I have my own thoughts on this but this is going to be way too political and controversial legally and I don't want to end up like Jason Blaha and besides my girlfriend seems to like you and think you are natural so it's an awkward position to be in.
If you are genuinely natural then please accept my sincere apologies and I would have nothing but respect and admiration for you. However you must also accept that you would be the exception to the rule and that 1 in a million.
If you accept this to be the case then you must also accept that it would be highly inappropriate for you to give training and nutritional advice to individuals who are not as genetically gifted as you (off course assuming your are lifetime natty etc)
Having said that you must accept that this industry is rife with people who claim natural who lie through their teeth for monetary reasons.
If Lance Armstrong got away with it for as long as he did and if Kevin Leverone can pass a lie detector test (in his transformation video) I don't think you will have much trouble either quite frankly but that's not saying much in my book.
If I was going to go on a crusade to prove someone was not a lifetime natty and they agreed it would involve highly sophisticated lie detector tests (not the 150 dollar jobs, hell even my girlfriend can pass those) but it would most definitely involve random drug testing with very specific terms attached to it.
Specifically you would have to have to agree to give random samples at any given point in time requested in the next 12 months front of an adjudicator and if you refused to do so on any more than 3 occasions over say a year you would be disqualified from the process and forfeit terms of the agreement.
Again not something I care to get involved in an attempt to discredit you because either way its a lose lose situation for everybody involved.
Best of luck in whatever you do.
By throwing money down the toilet, I meant "giving it to Shizzo" instead of reinvesting your winnings. No disrespect intended of course. I would agree to your random and intensive testing. I also do not think I am even close to being the best lifetime natural. I am far away from that in my opinion. I just try to do the best that I can do and I put a lot of effort. I don`t see it as an exception to the rule as I don`t miss workouts and never have gone on a layoff from lifting weights since I started.
The only things I have messed around with is different caloric amounts, my beloved Adonis Principles (the best out of everything in my opinion for me) different protein amounts, carb cycling, different types of eating approaches such as Intermittent Fasting, High Protein, low carb, high carbs, Low protein.
I can tell you exactly the effect of each one and my experience with each way of eating.
I can tell you the worst diets that I have tried: Low Protein (30-50 grams average), "Clean Eating Traditional Bodybuilding Diet" with high Protein-2 grams per lb of bodyweight (worked for getting lean, but strength was an embarrassing dive downward).
I can tell you exactly the effect of different training methods as well, the best that have worked for me and the worst.
I will never stop training as I actually love it. I don`t see it as a chore at all. I look forward to it each and every day still and I always pick up new exercises or techniques here and there and have moments where I wish I had done X exercises years ago or tried it in a different way.
There is a lot people can do with just different eating methods and training that they really don`t have to resort to drugs of any kind.
In the end, its all about being happy with what you are doing, drugs or not. I choose not to and am content, but many choose otherwise and its completely understandable. Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do and that is their prerogative totally.
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Also if we look at this from a Scientific prescriptive it is extremely rare for any lifetime natural individual to have a Fat Free Mass Index higher than 25.
If TA agree we could take his stats (weight, measurements, body fat, height) punch some number and figure out his true FFMI.
I would be shocked if in his best pics and if the stats were proven to be accurate his FFMI was not significantly higher than 25.
......just saying! :o
I just did that calculator and am under 25. :-\
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for someone drugged/clean/benched heavy and in between sev has some flat ass pecs/no thickness from the side,he never posts side shots,no thickness..
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That's interesting TA what did your figure come up with?
At my best (am nowhere near that now) mine came up with 24.2 which I thought was pretty damn good personally. ;)
24.4
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for someone drugged/clean/benched heavy and in between sev has some flat ass pecs/no thickness from the side,he never posts side shots,no thickness..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261211;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261213;image)
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for someone drugged/clean/benched heavy and in between sev has some flat ass pecs/no thickness from the side,he never posts side shots,no thickness..
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=220678.0;attach=258565;image)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261211;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261213;image)
Its sev hes asking for pics, epic ego knows no bounds
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Adonis and John Falcon are the uncrowned Mr. Getbigs.
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24.4
Can you just elaborate at what you input into the calculator please?
To get 24.4 I had to input 185 lbs at 6% at 5'10
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You know what it is so difficult to tell how someone really looks like in real life from pictures posted.
I mean I give you an example, whenever I've seen Rob Ritchie's in pictures I always thought wow holy shit the dude is huge and ripped etc.
But when I saw him in real life (cos he used to train at my gym in London for while) I was actually shocked how small he really was.
It might well be the case that your level of conditioning gives you the illusion that you are bigger that you actually are so I do take your point on board.
I think its different with me. I look bigger in person, than in pictures because of my long arms and long legs for my height. Rob Riches has midget proportions and is narrow. I am not narrow at all, which makes training more difficult actually. The narrow guys with short limbs have it a lot easier in my opinion.
Most people guess me about 30 lbs or more than what I really weigh. Its kind of funny. I was also able to get away with storing a ton of fat that way with a shirt on and people would still think I was lean. I have been accused of steroids in person a ton of times. (bro, what are you on, what do you take) I really don`t see it because when I see someone on steroids, I can easily tell and they have a totally different look about them than I do. Its pretty amusing to me. I just don`t see it at all. I am really not even close to the top lifetime naturals. I am trying though and will never stop. (Quixotic, maybe-but its gives me motivation)
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I think its different with me. I look bigger in person, than in pictures because of my long arms and long legs for my height. Rob Riches has midget proportions and is narrow. I am not narrow at all, which makes training more difficult actually. The narrow guys with short limbs have it a lot easier in my opinion.
Most people guess me about 30 lbs or more than what I really weigh. Its kind of funny. I was also able to get away with storing a ton of fat that way with a shirt on and people would still think I was lean. I have been accused of steroids in person a ton of times. (bro, what are you on, what do you take) I really don`t see it because when I see someone on steroids, I can easily tell and they have a totally different look about them than I do. Its pretty amusing to me. I just don`t see it at all. I am really not even close to the top lifetime naturals. I am trying though and will never stop. (Quixotic, maybe-but its gives me motivation)
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http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi
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No that would give you 25.1 bro
I put in 5'11 my mistake.
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Tennis players John McEnroe and Andre Aggassi both have taken steroids during their career. And McEnroe looks like he never lifted a weight in his life. Yet can no longer ever claim natural status but just clean...
They weren't bodybuilding.
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for someone drugged/clean/benched heavy and in between sev has some flat ass pecs/no thickness from the side,he never posts side shots,no thickness..
No you're correct.
He has decent hip:shoulder structure so his front relaxed is his best pose. Not much size though for the amount of AAS. Not hating Sev either I like the guy.
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good trolling by ta
starts his own thread
trying to keep relevant
i wonder if he can live of those old pics for another five years
he might need a few more gimmicks
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good trolling by ta
starts his own thread
trying to keep relevant
i wonder if he can live of those old pics for another five years
he might need a few more gimmicks
Problem is everyone knows he's a snidely twat now for revealing ESFs details, he wont recover.
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Problem is everyone knows he's a snidely twat now for revealing ESFs details, he wont recover.
the mods are trying their best to cover it up
its a sad day for get big
when a spoiled little twink is calling the shots
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261211;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=222861.0;attach=261213;image)
Whats your height and weight there TA?
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Whats your height and weight there TA?
Guess
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Guess
5'11 180-185 10% BF. Thats where most natties max out.
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5'11 180-185 10% BF. Thats where most natties max out.
You win the Prize! Pretty close. 185-188 there at 5`11-6 foot
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You win the Prize! Pretty close. 185-188 there at 5`11-6 foot
bf???he pegged you at 10,i d say below more than 10.. delts are sliced.arms show good detail..
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You win the Prize! Pretty close. 185-188 there at 5`11-6 foot
Thats not 24.4 on the scale.
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Thats not 24.4 on the scale.
Exactly. I have made improvements since then according to this scale which currently puts me at 24.4. Although I take this thing with a grain of salt.
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bf???he pegged you at 10,i d say below more than 10.. delts are sliced.arms show good detail..
Yah, I was probably lower, who knows really. I didn`t do a bod pod so it would be speculation.
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Exactly. I have made improvements since then according to this scale which currently puts me at 24.4. Although I take this thing with a grain of salt handful of DBol.
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So what you at now BF% wise?
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I mean one thing we totally agree on is that if I felt there was anyway I could achieve a semi half decent physique without drugs then I would want to do that for sure as I am not looking for any short cuts and wouldn't want to compromise my long term health!
Just I don't think its possible for me with shit genetics to kinda achieve what you have TA or come close to it even.
Regardless of the drug question you should be very proud of yourself for having an awesome physique, there is certainly no taking that away from you.
Regards
Joon
You are not seeing yourself correctly and are therefore not judging accordingly. Those two pictures you posted look really good. If I were you, I would just lay off the Keto diets and quick fix diets and just go with a moderate approach. 2000-2300 calories, Protein around 100-150 and lift 4-6 days a week.
You have a good physique and once you lean down further, it will be that much more impressive I think. You are being way too hard on yourself and are not seeing the same pics that I see. Seriously, I do mean this-don`t go down the road of steroids until you have at least gave it your best shot this time. Its not worth it. Once you get leaner, people are going to think you are on steroids and huge anyways.
What would be your goal with steroids?
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I don't throw money down the toilet, I invest in people, there is a difference.
I have my own thoughts on this but this is going to be way too political and controversial legally and I don't want to end up like Jason Blaha and besides my girlfriend seems to like you and think you are natural so it's an awkward position to be in.
If you are genuinely natural then please accept my sincere apologies and I would have nothing but respect and admiration for you. However you must also accept that you would be the exception to the rule and that 1 in a million.
If you accept this to be the case then you must also accept that it would be highly inappropriate for you to give training and nutritional advice to individuals who are not as genetically gifted as you (off course assuming your are lifetime natty etc)
Having said that you must accept that this industry is rife with people who claim natural who lie through their teeth for monetary reasons.
If Lance Armstrong got away with it for as long as he did and if Kevin Leverone can pass a lie detector test (in his transformation video) I don't think you will have much trouble either quite frankly but that's not saying much in my book.
If I was going to go on a crusade to prove someone was not a lifetime natty and they agreed it would involve highly sophisticated lie detector tests (not the 150 dollar jobs, hell even my girlfriend can pass those) but it would most definitely involve random drug testing with very specific terms attached to it.
Specifically you would have to have to agree to give random samples at any given point in time requested in the next 12 months front of an adjudicator and if you refused to do so on any more than 3 occasions over say a year you would be disqualified from the process and forfeit terms of the agreement.
Again not something I care to get involved in an attempt to discredit you because either way its a lose lose situation for everybody involved.
Best of luck in whatever you do.
Really? One in a million genetics? You better stick to poker because you know dick about training, juice, and nutrition
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Really? One in a million genetics? You better stick to poker because you know dick about training, juice, and nutrition
Lol, Adonis looks like a fucking praying mantis FFS.
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No serious if natural he looks phenomenal for a natty.
No easy feat whatsoever to achieve a physique like that natty, and yes we are talking elite/exceptional genetics.
All these guys are natty as well.
http://musclemania.com/#
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Honestly beyond caring who is or is not natty anymore, it's all irrelevant to me anyway, but I take your point too.
Exactly, it doesn't matter, its just people keep ramming natty down your throat even when it isn't required.
Who gives a fuck anyway.
PS, feel free to exchange the word 'natty' with 'cock' at any time.
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we have a lot of fake naturals here
can you name some
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i dont want to go into it
my friend you are well trusted regarding the steroid situation on here
i like your thought process on this delicate matter
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He seems to feign ignorance about steroids and related subjects. Strange for someone strongly involved in the bodybuilding lifestyle for the past several years.
Many naturals who are really into bodybuilding would have done research on steroids, what types, how to use, the dangers, etc out of pure interest since steroids are a major part of bodybuilding.
Maybe I have the wrong impression of him based on his postings on the boardings.
This. And the rest of the post too. Spot on.
No one spends this much time invested in thong-n-drugs bodybuilding and doesn't look up shit about AAS. Everyone, even the self-proclaimed natties will have tried some dbol or something at one point. And if they genuinely haven't, I don't know why they fuck they obsess over lifting weights if they're just going to stay natty.
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This. And the rest of the post too. Spot on.
No one spends this much time invested in thong-n-drugs bodybuilding and doesn't look up shit about AAS. Everyone, even the self-proclaimed natties will have tried some dbol or something at one point. And if they genuinely haven't, I don't know why they fuck they obsess over lifting weights if they're just going to stay natty.
You are wrong. What do you mean by you don`t know why someone would obsess over weights if they are going to stay natural? That is all we have got. That and what we eat, so of course we have to obsess a bit over it. You take the "easy" way. I get that and that is your choice. (I personally think its more difficult using those drugs, so many variables not to mention your health at continual risk).
I know bits and pieces from the main board here, but thats about it. I would be scared shitless to even try it looking at all the horror stories on the main board. I could only imagine whats on the steroid board. It probably reads like one big medical disaster.
The best thing I ever did was to never start them I think. Once you start them, it seems you are fucked for life and have to either use them for the duration of your life (or however long you plan on lifting, so for me it would be for life), or you just end up a broken wreck worse off then when you were natural.
Fuck that. Its not worth it.
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This. And the rest of the post too. Spot on.
No one spends this much time invested in thong-n-drugs bodybuilding and doesn't look up shit about AAS. Everyone, even the self-proclaimed natties will have tried some dbol or something at one point. And if they genuinely haven't, I don't know why they fuck they obsess over lifting weights if they're just going to stay natty.
There is a such thing as bodybuilding without drugs you know. They even hold competitions and I am not talking about Musclemania either.
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Bodybuilding in a natural context is so narrow. Eat hard, lift hard, get a little bigger, then that's it. That's all natural bodybuilding is.
BODYBUILDING, enhanced bodybuilding or whatever you want to call it is much more immerse. A guy running a cycle may "be taking the easy way" but he's going to see a much greater contrast in that timespan than a natural lifter will in their entire lifetime. This is why I choose to juice.
It's funny, because the thing that got me into supplements and PEDs was creatine. I heard my younger brother was taking "creatine steroids" so I dug out all of the medical textbooks my mom had and the ones I could get from the library. I learned about muscular hypertrophy and found stuff about creatine, the krebs cycle and even sex steroids. I realized that all juice is, is just exogenous hormones. And from talking with guys like Bill Llewellyn who looked at things a little more closely but objectively (as most juicers are trying to justify their use) I really think I started out with a good perspective. And then I eventually started lifting to test these theories and moved onto using supplements and juice once I acquired enough experience with lifting and observing changes in response to diet, training and supplementation.
I just can't fathom lifting without having taken something. I only pin usually twice per week and don't take any other supplements. But the experience from using all that shit really helped to guide the way I train now. I will probably never juice big time and will only do a couple smaller blasts each year as I like my physique right now. But I just can't imagine lifting without having those experiences under my belt. There's just so little that happens in natural bodybuilding. It's so boring and there are so few variables. I guess that's what perplexes me about people who genuinely do not use anything.
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I'm sorry Sev. If you put TA's best pics side by side with your best pics HE WINS. :-\
Natty or not (I still think he's natty).......he has a more stellar physique than you.
Go ahead and post up more pics if it will make you feel better. Hopefully they are good enough to trump TA......but so far they have not.
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TA has a phenomenal build
Hi TA... you delusional bastard.
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That's because people who lift and don't use anything aren't looking for shock & awe metamorphosis. They just want a beach body.
As does 95% of the population. The other 5% are bodybuilders. ;)
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Yes but don't forget both the short term and long term health implications for the vast majority of PED's users!
Not an argument I am getting into but you don't mention anything about that in your post.
Uhh... the reason why I even STARTED bodybuilding is because I first spent months looking up the health implications of PEDs.
I had absolutely zero interest in lifting until I started reading about biology and muscular hypertrophy and wanted to see if I could really grow the way that the books said I could. I had spent so much time reading up about it that I figured I should see if I could eat more, get in more protein and break down my muscles so they'll build back up. And lo and behold, it really worked. It was a challenge, but it worked just like how books described. Same thing with AAS. I started from a very cautious standpoint and did all the stupid cookie cutter cycles. Then I spent more time researching and observing MY results (because people on the internet are fucking boneheads and parrot bullshit that other boneheads spew) and learned how to use them for myself.
I live in Canada too, so I got a shitload of bloodwork for years. I never did a cycle without pre-, intra- and post-cycle bloodwork. My doctor got so fed up he'd just give me a requisition and I'd go get bloodwork. Instead of faxing it to his office, he'd just shred it and tell me to go online to see my results there as I knew how to interpret them. If anything was flagged he'd give me a call (he'd screen it and then shred it) but there was never a need for a phone call. People should get bloodwork the first time times they juice and periodically after that, but that's mostly to check for unknown genetic predispositions. Some people fall apart on juice whereas others juice well into an old age. I'll be on a generous HRT cycle well into my golden years unless something concerning comes up.
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
That's not 100% natural though. Can't be. Fat-burning pills all the way.
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(http://i574.photobucket.com/albums/ss188/tomlefco/11-11greatfront.jpg)
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
Some more beef on this guy would be nice. Awesome shape though.
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That's not 100% natural though. Can't be. Fat-burning pills all the way.
This is a Lifetime Natural.
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/1%20and%204%20weeks%20out/photo.jpg)
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
As do I bro, as do I.
I've learned much more through juicing than I ever would have. When you compress that much of a physical contrast in a short period of time, it really allows you to pick up on things. It doesn't matter if it's through enhancement or not because those things happen on a slower scale without PEDs. I trained for more than a year without anything and really shrank down when I was getting my nuts back in shape, so I made sure to apply and test those principals and observations and I was thankfully correct.
While I'm not planning on coming off everything for good, I use low doses and think the fake-natty look is the best. The guys that run low doses, run orals for their primary anabolic and don't get too fat look the absolute best. At my best, that's what I look like. But I don't have very good genetics and my discipline is impeded by things like family and work, so I can't be like that all the time. Gear definitely helps to round things off because I can't stop living my life just to look good in a thong. I don't think PED usage is something people should be ashamed of. Women wear makeup, people buy clothes from the Baby Gap and flare their lats out, so why not take a little juice and have real muscle? It doesn't matter if the foundation is built upon pinning something or taking a pill, because the impact and cost is minimal and makes me feel comfortable. Just my two cents. People always look down upon juicers, but I just look at them. It is what it is.
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This is a Lifetime Natural.
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/1%20and%204%20weeks%20out/photo.jpg)
lol yeah right
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(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv118/apd90700/DSC00287.jpg)
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv118/apd90700/DSC00295.jpg)
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv118/apd90700/DSC00294.jpg)
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv118/apd90700/DSC00303.jpg)
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lol yeah right
???
He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/NWA%201%20Day%20Out/IMG_6676.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/4%20Days%20Out%20Tulsa/IMG_6190.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/St%20Louis%204%20Days%20Out/IMG_6762.jpg)
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As do I bro, as do I.
I've learned much more through juicing than I ever would have. When you compress that much of a physical contrast in a short period of time, it really allows you to pick up on things. It doesn't matter if it's through enhancement or not because those things happen on a slower scale without PEDs. I trained for more than a year without anything and really shrank down when I was getting my nuts back in shape, so I made sure to apply and test those principals and observations and I was thankfully correct.
While I'm not planning on coming off everything for good, I use low doses and think the fake-natty look is the best. The guys that run low doses, run orals for their primary anabolic and don't get too fat look the absolute best. At my best, that's what I look like. But I don't have very good genetics and my discipline is impeded by things like family and work, so I can't be like that all the time. Gear definitely helps to round things off because I can't stop living my life just to look good in a thong. I don't think PED usage is something people should be ashamed of. Women wear makeup, people buy clothes from the Baby Gap and flare their lats out, so why not take a little juice and have real muscle? It doesn't matter if the foundation is built upon pinning something or taking a pill, because the impact and cost is minimal and makes me feel comfortable. Just my two cents. People always look down upon juicers, but I just look at them. It is what it is.
I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids. I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.
Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them. You need to give it at least a good 10 years first. Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use. It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it. Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable. That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.
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I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids. I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.
Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them. You need to give it at least a good 10 years first. Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use. It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it. Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable. That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.
I hate agreeing with TA on anything.
But this post is total TRUTH.
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???
He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/NWA%201%20Day%20Out/IMG_6676.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/4%20Days%20Out%20Tulsa/IMG_6190.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/St%20Louis%204%20Days%20Out/IMG_6762.jpg)
Post his bloodwork showing no reaction to all the compounds they test for.
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Post his bloodwork showing no reaction to all the compounds they test for.
???
Here is his contest prep thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144528881
His weights that he works out with:
Squat: 205x6x3
Bench: 195x6x3
Military Press: 115x6x2, 125x6x1
Squat@205 5 sets of 8
Deadlift: 5 Singles @ 265
BB Row: 155, 165x8x2 sets
DB Hammer Curl: 40,45,50 x8
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Here is his contest prep thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144528881
His weights that he works out with:
Squat: 205x6x3
Bench: 195x6x3
Military Press: 115x6x2, 125x6x1
Squat@205 5 sets of 8
Deadlift: 5 Singles @ 265
BB Row: 155, 165x8x2 sets
DB Hammer Curl: 40,45,50 x8
yeah that's a good workout regimen
so where's the tests proving he's natural again
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I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids. I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.
Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them. You need to give it at least a good 10 years first. Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use. It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it. Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable. That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.
Hindsight is 20/20 and I would give the exact same advice as you to other people. But I learned from my mistakes and I'm thankful that things unraveled the way they did. I look great now and probably wouldn't have ever looked this way if I didn't have a morbid curiosity. I was never concerned with being a tiny pussy in the past, but I'm nothing other than thankful looking back. I came out a lot luckier than most, even having some shitty experiences.
I try to give back and help people to learn the lessons I did without making the same mistakes. I see all this pussy cookie cutter bullshit and people recommending "PCT" that gives the false expectation that they'll be 100% recovered. You'll never be the same after juicing. Never. Even when I worked intimately with an endocrinologist to get my wife pregnant and reached 100% normal levels, I still don't think I feel the same as before. It could be mental or physiological, but that's nonsense. Most of the stuff people say online about AAS and PEDs is nonsense. So aside from the humor, which is my primary reason for visiting the boards. My second interest is with helping others. I did lots of stupid shit and it pains me to know that other people preach the same stupid shit as Gospel. It's sickening. :-\
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???
He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/NWA%201%20Day%20Out/IMG_6676.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/4%20Days%20Out%20Tulsa/IMG_6190.jpg)
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/crazyups/St%20Louis%204%20Days%20Out/IMG_6762.jpg)
most naturals cannot get that lean, but most naturals aren't 6' 5" either. strong genes
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most naturals cannot get that lean, but most naturals aren't 6' 5" either. strong genes
ALL Naturals can get that lean actually. Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want. They tend to get much leaner than juicers.
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ALL Naturals can get that lean actually. Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want. They tend to get much leaner than juicers.
Hence why I like the fake-natty look/part-time juicer look.
No matter how big and shredded I got at my pinnacle, I would still never look the same as 120lb twigs at the gym who were just peeled Auschwitz style. That's the type of conditioning I want every day. To be able to lift up your shirt and see diced, diced abs. Or to lift up your arm and make a bicept muscle and see all of the different muscles twitching and rippling.
I find that running lower test and also coming off intermittently helps. I always drop the gear for 4-6 weeks at a time which is about when I start feeling a bit skinny-fat. A couple of weeks after dropping the gear is when people look the absolute BEST. Waking up and standing in front of the mirror becomes a problem at that point. My wife tosses pillows and shit at the bathroom door asking why the fuck I've been in there so long and why she hears grunting LOL... once you throw down a couple of mandatory poses you can't help but have a full blown posing session until you're completely exhausted. ;D
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Hindsight is 20/20 and I would give the exact same advice as you to other people. But I learned from my mistakes and I'm thankful that things unraveled the way they did. I look great now and probably wouldn't have ever looked this way if I didn't have a morbid curiosity. I was never concerned with being a tiny pussy in the past, but I'm nothing other than thankful looking back. I came out a lot luckier than most, even having some shitty experiences.
I try to give back and help people to learn the lessons I did without making the same mistakes. I see all this pussy cookie cutter bullshit and people recommending "PCT" that gives the false expectation that they'll be 100% recovered. You'll never be the same after juicing. Never. Even when I worked intimately with an endocrinologist to get my wife pregnant and reached 100% normal levels, I still don't think I feel the same as before. It could be mental or physiological, but that's nonsense. Most of the stuff people say online about AAS and PEDs is nonsense. So aside from the humor, which is my primary reason for visiting the boards. My second interest is with helping others. I did lots of stupid shit and it pains me to know that other people preach the same stupid shit as Gospel. It's sickening. :-\
It sounds like you regret using steroids and want to help others. I don`t think it helps to just accuse everyone of steroids or say things like, "why lift weights or bodybuild" if you don`t use steroids or "I can`t imagine lifting weights without using". I just don`t think those are good things for people to see who may be on the fence of whether to juice or not.
That is another reason I never had any interest in using, I did not want to make a life long commitment to drugs as I believe it changes you permanently. Best to keep that Pandora`s box permanently shut.
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ALL Naturals can get that lean actually. Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want. They tend to get much leaner than juicers.
In generals juicers hold more water i'd say, but it depends on what they're one. most juicers prioritize size and fullness so they may sacrifice conditioning, but those that focus on conditioning get leaner than they could naturally.. Andreas Munzer is an example.
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Hence why I like the fake-natty look/part-time juicer look.
No matter how big and shredded I got at my pinnacle, I would still never look the same as 120lb twigs at the gym who were just peeled Auschwitz style. That's the type of conditioning I want every day. To be able to lift up your shirt and see diced, diced abs. Or to lift up your arm and make a bicept muscle and see all of the different muscles twitching and rippling.
I find that running lower test and also coming off intermittently helps. I always drop the gear for 4-6 weeks at a time which is about when I start feeling a bit skinny-fat. A couple of weeks after dropping the gear is when people look the absolute BEST. Waking up and standing in front of the mirror becomes a problem at that point. My wife tosses pillows and shit at the bathroom door asking why the fuck I've been in there so long and why she hears grunting LOL... once you throw down a couple of mandatory poses you can't help but have a full blown posing session until you're completely exhausted. ;D
Stop with this fake-natty part-time juicer bullshit lingo. Drugs have nothing to do with how lean Lifetime naturals get.
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In generals juicers hold more water i'd say, but it depends on what they're one. most juicers prioritize size and fullness so they may sacrifice conditioning, but those that focus on conditioning get leaner than they could naturally.. Andreas Munzer is an example.
There are lifetime Naturals leaner than Munzer and not going to die either.
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ALL Naturals can get that lean actually. Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want. They tend to get much leaner than juicers.
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(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=808483&d=1186368020)
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g183/jv25/carloscastroooo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fYHuU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gq557cC.jpg)
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Stop with this fake-natty part-time juicer bullshit lingo. Drugs have nothing to do with how lean Lifetime naturals get.
I didn't say it does, I said that's my favorite look. Guys who juice too much hold a lot of water. 100% true naturals are too small and wiry. But the guys who juice just a little hit the Goldilocks zone.
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Thanks for proving my Point, that last guy is Zack Dery a Lifetime Natural.
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/masterskrain/zack2.jpg)
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Cherry picking which one is "natty" and which one isn't
no point proven yet
and I'd like to see his bloodwork too
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Cherry picking which one is "natty" and which one isn't
no point proven yet
and I'd like to see his bloodwork too
that guy has tattoos; so he's no stranger to needles. tattoos aren't natural so he shouldn't be considered natural. ;D some natural bb's take diuretics, or even supplements like prohormones, or natural diuretics.. it depends what you consider natural.
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Cherry picking which one is "natty" and which one isn't
no point proven yet
and I'd like to see his bloodwork too
Research a little into Lifetime Naturals and you will see. Its not a big conspiracy. You can even ask Disgusted on this site who trains IFBB bodybuilders and some Lifetime Naturals. He will tell you the same thing I am telling you. Drugs have nothing to do with lean.
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that guy has tattoos; so he's no stranger to needles. tattoos aren't natural so he shouldn't be considered natural. ;D some natural bb's take diuretics, or even supplements like prohormones, or natural diuretics.. it depends what you consider natural.
That 6 foot 5 guy took nothing but water. Take a look at his contest prep. Thats another good thing about Lifetime Natty, you don`t need to worry about water or sodium. You just keep drinking water and thats it. You don`t need to limit it or anything.
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Research a little into Lifetime Naturals and you will see. Its not a big conspiracy. You can even ask Disgusted on this site who trains IFBB bodybuilders and some Lifetime Naturals. He will tell you the same thing I am telling you. Drugs have nothing to do with lean.
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that's why plenty of pros have admitted using thyroid drugs, prescription thermogenics
and other heavy duty drugs like dnp to get shredded
you get a few natural freaks and you say that proves they're leaner than people on drugs
lollllllll
not buying it dude, especially given the comparison pics
your naturals, except for maybe 2, are all very lean but nowhere close to as vascular or grainy as the other non-naturals that compete
and can't touch most pros either for conditioning
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Thanks for proving my Point, that last guy is Zack Dery a Lifetime Natural.
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/masterskrain/zack2.jpg)
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I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids. I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.
Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them. You need to give it at least a good 10 years first. Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use. It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it. Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable. That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.
Good post. People really don't understand that you can get quite far as a natural, just not super ripped.
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Good post. People really don't understand that you can get quite far as a natural, just not super ripped.
which was my point
he was saying naturals get LEANER
ya
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which was my point
he was saying naturals get LEANER
ya
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They do.
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which was my point
he was saying naturals get LEANER
ya
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No..no..I'm not saying that exactly, it's just that naturals just don't look GOOD super ripped. You take any good natural and get them carb depleted and dehydrated and they are guaranteed to look shitty, super ripped and detailed but lacking any fullness. As a natural you shouldn't go below 8% and you shouldn't have to.
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Wow, there seems to be a lot of natty haters in this thread. You guys just don't know good genes when you see them. Hard work truly does pay off. Take the following competitors, they are all lifetime natties (said so themselves). They even compete in natty shows and everything. These are good examples of natties who have put in the work. :D
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/jim-cordova-panorama.jpg)
(http://50.62.212.207/~nbbradio/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kiyoshi-Moody-Panorama.png)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Rodney-Hellaire-Panorama.gif)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Layne-Norton-Panorama.jpg)
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Wow, there seems to be a lot of natty haters in this thread. You guys just don't know good genes when you see them. Hard work truly does pay off. Take the following competitors, they are all lifetime natties (said so themselves). They even compete in natty shows and everything. These are good examples of natties who have put in the work. :D
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/jim-cordova-panorama.jpg)
(http://50.62.212.207/~nbbradio/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kiyoshi-Moody-Panorama.png)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Rodney-Hellaire-Panorama.gif)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Layne-Norton-Panorama.jpg)
You forgot Mike O’Hearn and Jeff Willet. :D
I’m a real lifetime natural but seriously, who gives a fuck? Hardly something I’ll write on my résumé or something that will be engraved on my tombstone when I die. ;D
Someone earlier mentioned Rob Riches. Didn’t that lifetime natural fail a drugs test last year? :D
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Wow, there seems to be a lot of natty haters in this thread. You guys just don't know good genes when you see them. Hard work truly does pay off. Take the following competitors, they are all lifetime natties (said so themselves). They even compete in natty shows and everything. These are good examples of natties who have put in the work. :D
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/jim-cordova-panorama.jpg)
(http://50.62.212.207/~nbbradio/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kiyoshi-Moody-Panorama.png)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Rodney-Hellaire-Panorama.gif)
(http://naturalbodybuildingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Layne-Norton-Panorama.jpg)
FUNNY THEY LOOK BETTER THAN MOST JUICERS COMPETITIVE AND NON.
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
this is NOT lifetime Natural
this is had many cycles of steroids but currently drug free
just like TA, NOT lifetime natural
you cannot get that look lifetime natural
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Thanks for proving my Point, that last guy is Zack Dery a Lifetime Natural.
(http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/masterskrain/zack2.jpg)
Zack Dery lifetime natural?
TA you are delusional
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Is TA a lifetime natural i am not sure but i do know that he is a lifetime asshole.
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Is TA a lifetime natural i am not sure but i do know that he is a lifetime asshole.
No sure, did he ever mention it? ::)
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I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced. The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion. Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j238/fltallpaul/workout/rearlat110309.jpg)
Agreed