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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #100 on: February 23, 2014, 03:34:55 PM »
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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2014, 03:36:35 PM »
That's because people who lift and don't use anything aren't looking for shock & awe metamorphosis. They just want a beach body.

As does 95% of the population. The other 5% are bodybuilders.  ;)

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2014, 03:42:24 PM »


Yes but don't forget both the short term and long term health implications for the vast majority of PED's users!

Not an argument I am getting into but you don't mention anything about that in your post.



Uhh... the reason why I even STARTED bodybuilding is because I first spent months looking up the health implications of PEDs.

I had absolutely zero interest in lifting until I started reading about biology and muscular hypertrophy and wanted to see if I could really grow the way that the books said I could. I had spent so much time reading up about it that I figured I should see if I could eat more, get in more protein and break down my muscles so they'll build back up. And lo and behold, it really worked. It was a challenge, but it worked just like how books described. Same thing with AAS. I started from a very cautious standpoint and did all the stupid cookie cutter cycles. Then I spent more time researching and observing MY results (because people on the internet are fucking boneheads and parrot bullshit that other boneheads spew) and learned how to use them for myself.

I live in Canada too, so I got a shitload of bloodwork for years. I never did a cycle without pre-, intra- and post-cycle bloodwork. My doctor got so fed up he'd just give me a requisition and I'd go get bloodwork. Instead of faxing it to his office, he'd just shred it and tell me to go online to see my results there as I knew how to interpret them. If anything was flagged he'd give me a call (he'd screen it and then shred it) but there was never a need for a phone call. People should get bloodwork the first time times they juice and periodically after that, but that's mostly to check for unknown genetic predispositions. Some people fall apart on juice whereas others juice well into an old age. I'll be on a generous HRT cycle well into my golden years unless something concerning comes up.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2014, 03:50:18 PM »
I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced.  The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion.  Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.


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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2014, 03:51:03 PM »
I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced.  The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion.  Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.


That's not 100% natural though. Can't be. Fat-burning pills all the way.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2014, 03:53:20 PM »
I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced.  The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion.  Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.



Some more beef on this guy would be nice. Awesome shape though.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2014, 03:55:26 PM »
That's not 100% natural though. Can't be. Fat-burning pills all the way.
This is a Lifetime Natural.


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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2014, 03:58:51 PM »
I find Lifetime Natural Physiques way more aesthetic than juiced.  The razor sharpness instead of round looks a whole lot better in my opinion.  Plus the smaller size looks much better I think.



As do I bro, as do I.

I've learned much more through juicing than I ever would have. When you compress that much of a physical contrast in a short period of time, it really allows you to pick up on things. It doesn't matter if it's through enhancement or not because those things happen on a slower scale without PEDs. I trained for more than a year without anything and really shrank down when I was getting my nuts back in shape, so I made sure to apply and test those principals and observations and I was thankfully correct.

While I'm not planning on coming off everything for good, I use low doses and think the fake-natty look is the best. The guys that run low doses, run orals for their primary anabolic and don't get too fat look the absolute best. At my best, that's what I look like. But I don't have very good genetics and my discipline is impeded by things like family and work, so I can't be like that all the time. Gear definitely helps to round things off because I can't stop living my life just to look good in a thong. I don't think PED usage is something people should be ashamed of. Women wear makeup, people buy clothes from the Baby Gap and flare their lats out, so why not take a little juice and have real muscle? It doesn't matter if the foundation is built upon pinning something or taking a pill, because the impact and cost is minimal and makes me feel comfortable. Just my two cents. People always look down upon juicers, but I just look at them. It is what it is.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2014, 04:00:24 PM »
This is a Lifetime Natural.


lol yeah right

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #111 on: February 23, 2014, 04:06:02 PM »
lol yeah right
???

He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs





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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #112 on: February 23, 2014, 04:14:14 PM »
As do I bro, as do I.

I've learned much more through juicing than I ever would have. When you compress that much of a physical contrast in a short period of time, it really allows you to pick up on things. It doesn't matter if it's through enhancement or not because those things happen on a slower scale without PEDs. I trained for more than a year without anything and really shrank down when I was getting my nuts back in shape, so I made sure to apply and test those principals and observations and I was thankfully correct.

While I'm not planning on coming off everything for good, I use low doses and think the fake-natty look is the best. The guys that run low doses, run orals for their primary anabolic and don't get too fat look the absolute best. At my best, that's what I look like. But I don't have very good genetics and my discipline is impeded by things like family and work, so I can't be like that all the time. Gear definitely helps to round things off because I can't stop living my life just to look good in a thong. I don't think PED usage is something people should be ashamed of. Women wear makeup, people buy clothes from the Baby Gap and flare their lats out, so why not take a little juice and have real muscle? It doesn't matter if the foundation is built upon pinning something or taking a pill, because the impact and cost is minimal and makes me feel comfortable. Just my two cents. People always look down upon juicers, but I just look at them. It is what it is.
I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids.  I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.

Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them.  You need to give it at least a good 10 years first.  Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use.  It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it.  Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable.  That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #113 on: February 23, 2014, 04:16:37 PM »
I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids.  I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.

Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them.  You need to give it at least a good 10 years first.  Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use.  It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it.  Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable.  That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.

I hate agreeing with TA on anything.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #114 on: February 23, 2014, 04:19:18 PM »
???

He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs





Post his bloodwork showing no reaction to all the compounds they test for.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #115 on: February 23, 2014, 04:24:41 PM »
Post his bloodwork showing no reaction to all the compounds they test for.
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Here is his contest prep thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144528881

His weights that he works out with:
Squat: 205x6x3

Bench: 195x6x3

Military Press: 115x6x2, 125x6x1

Squat@205 5 sets of 8

Deadlift: 5 Singles @ 265

BB Row: 155, 165x8x2 sets

DB Hammer Curl: 40,45,50 x8


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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2014, 04:28:17 PM »
???
Here is his contest prep thread:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=144528881

His weights that he works out with:
Squat: 205x6x3

Bench: 195x6x3

Military Press: 115x6x2, 125x6x1

Squat@205 5 sets of 8

Deadlift: 5 Singles @ 265

BB Row: 155, 165x8x2 sets

DB Hammer Curl: 40,45,50 x8


yeah that's a good workout regimen
so where's the tests proving he's natural again

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2014, 04:31:25 PM »
I only look down on people who accuse everyone of using steroids.  I don`t care if anyone uses, but its pretty shitty to assume that everyone is just because you are doing so or because you did not get to their level without them.

Personally, I don`t think you trained long enough at all without them.  You need to give it at least a good 10 years first.  Chances are, if you wait that long you probably will have no reason to use.  It sounds like you could attain your level naturally its just that you would rather not put the work in as a Natural to do it.  Thats fine, for you, its a shortcut at this point and that is understandable.  That is your reasoning behind it and it makes sense.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I would give the exact same advice as you to other people. But I learned from my mistakes and I'm thankful that things unraveled the way they did. I look great now and probably wouldn't have ever looked this way if I didn't have a morbid curiosity. I was never concerned with being a tiny pussy in the past, but I'm nothing other than thankful looking back. I came out a lot luckier than most, even having some shitty experiences.

I try to give back and help people to learn the lessons I did without making the same mistakes. I see all this pussy cookie cutter bullshit and people recommending "PCT" that gives the false expectation that they'll be 100% recovered. You'll never be the same after juicing. Never. Even when I worked intimately with an endocrinologist to get my wife pregnant and reached 100% normal levels, I still don't think I feel the same as before. It could be mental or physiological, but that's nonsense. Most of the stuff people say online about AAS and PEDs is nonsense. So aside from the humor, which is my primary reason for visiting the boards. My second interest is with helping others. I did lots of stupid shit and it pains me to know that other people preach the same stupid shit as Gospel. It's sickening. :-\

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #118 on: February 23, 2014, 04:33:18 PM »
???

He is 6 foot 5 and Lifetime Natural.
199 lbs






most naturals cannot get that lean, but most naturals aren't 6' 5" either.  strong genes

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #119 on: February 23, 2014, 04:35:24 PM »
most naturals cannot get that lean, but most naturals aren't 6' 5" either.  strong genes
ALL Naturals can get that lean actually.  Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want.  They tend to get much leaner than juicers.

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« Reply #120 on: February 23, 2014, 04:39:51 PM »
ALL Naturals can get that lean actually.  Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want.  They tend to get much leaner than juicers.

Hence why I like the fake-natty look/part-time juicer look.

No matter how big and shredded I got at my pinnacle, I would still never look the same as 120lb twigs at the gym who were just peeled Auschwitz style. That's the type of conditioning I want every day. To be able to lift up your shirt and see diced, diced abs. Or to lift up your arm and make a bicept muscle and see all of the different muscles twitching and rippling.

I find that running lower test and also coming off intermittently helps. I always drop the gear for 4-6 weeks at a time which is about when I start feeling a bit skinny-fat. A couple of weeks after dropping the gear is when people look the absolute BEST. Waking up and standing in front of the mirror becomes a problem at that point. My wife tosses pillows and shit at the bathroom door asking why the fuck I've been in there so long and why she hears grunting LOL... once you throw down a couple of mandatory poses you can't help but have a full blown posing session until you're completely exhausted. ;D

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« Reply #121 on: February 23, 2014, 04:39:58 PM »
Hindsight is 20/20 and I would give the exact same advice as you to other people. But I learned from my mistakes and I'm thankful that things unraveled the way they did. I look great now and probably wouldn't have ever looked this way if I didn't have a morbid curiosity. I was never concerned with being a tiny pussy in the past, but I'm nothing other than thankful looking back. I came out a lot luckier than most, even having some shitty experiences.

I try to give back and help people to learn the lessons I did without making the same mistakes. I see all this pussy cookie cutter bullshit and people recommending "PCT" that gives the false expectation that they'll be 100% recovered. You'll never be the same after juicing. Never. Even when I worked intimately with an endocrinologist to get my wife pregnant and reached 100% normal levels, I still don't think I feel the same as before. It could be mental or physiological, but that's nonsense. Most of the stuff people say online about AAS and PEDs is nonsense. So aside from the humor, which is my primary reason for visiting the boards. My second interest is with helping others. I did lots of stupid shit and it pains me to know that other people preach the same stupid shit as Gospel. It's sickening. :-\
It sounds like you regret using steroids and want to help others.  I don`t think it helps to just accuse everyone of steroids or say things like, "why lift weights or bodybuild" if you don`t use steroids or "I can`t imagine lifting weights without using".  I just don`t think those are good things for people to see who may be on the fence of whether to juice or not.  

That is another reason I never had any interest in using, I did not want to make a life long commitment to drugs as I believe it changes you permanently.  Best to keep that Pandora`s box permanently shut.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #122 on: February 23, 2014, 04:40:03 PM »
ALL Naturals can get that lean actually.  Getting Lean is something naturals can excel in if they want.  They tend to get much leaner than juicers.

 In generals juicers hold more water i'd say, but it depends on what they're one.  most juicers prioritize size and fullness so they may sacrifice conditioning, but those that focus on conditioning get leaner than they could naturally..  Andreas Munzer is an example.


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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #123 on: February 23, 2014, 04:41:04 PM »
Hence why I like the fake-natty look/part-time juicer look.

No matter how big and shredded I got at my pinnacle, I would still never look the same as 120lb twigs at the gym who were just peeled Auschwitz style. That's the type of conditioning I want every day. To be able to lift up your shirt and see diced, diced abs. Or to lift up your arm and make a bicept muscle and see all of the different muscles twitching and rippling.

I find that running lower test and also coming off intermittently helps. I always drop the gear for 4-6 weeks at a time which is about when I start feeling a bit skinny-fat. A couple of weeks after dropping the gear is when people look the absolute BEST. Waking up and standing in front of the mirror becomes a problem at that point. My wife tosses pillows and shit at the bathroom door asking why the fuck I've been in there so long and why she hears grunting LOL... once you throw down a couple of mandatory poses you can't help but have a full blown posing session until you're completely exhausted. ;D
Stop with this fake-natty part-time juicer bullshit lingo.  Drugs have nothing to do with how lean Lifetime naturals get.

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Re: True Adonis is a lifetime natural?
« Reply #124 on: February 23, 2014, 04:41:42 PM »
In generals juicers hold more water i'd say, but it depends on what they're one.  most juicers prioritize size and fullness so they may sacrifice conditioning, but those that focus on conditioning get leaner than they could naturally..  Andreas Munzer is an example.


There are lifetime Naturals leaner than Munzer and not going to die either.