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Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
Take anabolichalos wifes dildo and ram it up your fucking arse.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 24, 2014, 11:59:24 AM
Sounds like you should focus on changing your grip and lighten the weight as well.

Bring the grip in a bit to take it off the shoulders.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: The True Adonis on February 24, 2014, 12:00:11 PM
Also, I would probably stop incline presses and just focus on regular and decline. 
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: the trainer on February 24, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Start training with the two pound dumbbells 100 reps per set light weight baby!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 12:08:02 PM
only do what doesnt hurt, and use as little weight as possible.

that, or op.

theres no other choices.

if it helps, im much worse off,theres no way in hell i can do even 1single dip
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 12:10:24 PM
you can't rest from shoulder and chest training for a few months?

focus on legs and back and then after 4 months or so get back at it.

db presses instead of barbell might help abit. and lighter weight. but I would rest.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: BikiniSlut on February 24, 2014, 12:12:40 PM
you can't rest from shoulder and chest training for a few months?

focus on legs and back and then after 4 months or so get back at it.

db presses instead of barbell might help abit. and lighter weight. but I would rest.

Have you ever read any of his posts????
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Pericles on February 24, 2014, 12:13:46 PM
Your Continual shoulder problems are from scapular issues.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 12:16:21 PM
Your Continual shoulder problems are from scapular issues.
no shit,"doc" he did mri he knows whats why
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: BAST on February 24, 2014, 12:17:55 PM
Bursitis is very painful. I've had it in delts myself.  Takes a long time to heal.  You're addicted to training.  You want to improve so much (which is admirable) that you're damaging yourself.  You should consider a psychiatrist.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: BAST on February 24, 2014, 12:26:37 PM
No gh shouldn't be injected into veins.  That must be a troll
Question
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 12:30:18 PM
its not the nerve thats hurting,its precisely the biceps tendon.


dont inject anything there duuuh.

just train very light.

my training is restricted as follow, i can only do this:

chest:

some pressing machine, is kinda like decline press.

cable crossover few specific angles.

thats it, the rest is no go anymore.

shoulder presses are out, dont do them nomore.

neither muscle have lost size.

me,ill do operation if it gets any worse, at some point, it simply become very pointless.

however,i know that ill be back to my all time self within 2 months,from whereever i start.

its the biceps tendon.be happy that theres nothing ripped apart and train easy n light.

you have little muscle mass anyway, you are natural and will not gain 1 single ounce of muscle anyway, so just preserve what you got.

and nah dont inject nothing into any vein.

fuck dorian yates and whatever is claimed he said,dont be a clown
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 12:43:08 PM
Junior adding a bit of blusher to his shoulder and trolling the entire forum.

You guys , really?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 24, 2014, 01:13:53 PM
its not the nerve thats hurting,its precisely the biceps tendon.


dont inject anything there duuuh.

just train very light.

my training is restricted as follow, i can only do this:

chest:

some pressing machine, is kinda like decline press.

cable crossover few specific angles.

thats it, the rest is no go anymore.

shoulder presses are out, dont do them nomore.

neither muscle have lost size.

me,ill do operation if it gets any worse, at some point, it simply become very pointless.

however,i know that ill be back to my all time self within 2 months,from whereever i start.

its the biceps tendon.be happy that theres nothing ripped apart and train easy n light.

you have little muscle mass anyway, you are natural and will not gain 1 single ounce of muscle anyway, so just preserve what you got.

and nah dont inject nothing into any vein.

fuck dorian yates and whatever is claimed he said,dont be a clown

Yep.  Biceps tendon.  Injecting GH won't do a damn thing but aggravate it more. 

Actually, GH isn't going to do anything at all for nerves or pain.  Nubain will, but not GH. 

 :) for the Nubain comment.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Bear232 on February 24, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Do not inject the nerve or vein.


If you can hit the AC joint.  You can palpate it, just follow your clavicle outward , rotate you shoulder up and down a bit, you should be able to feel the articulation.  hit that spot.

If it just impingement and bursitis, get the arthroscopic surgery done at some point.  I did it and was back to benching in two months.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Skorp1o on February 24, 2014, 01:23:24 PM
lol at injecting into the nerve. Joon you funny fucker
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 01:30:57 PM

This shit always happens to me when I do barbell pressing.

I haven't been doing barbell pressing for a while now, been focusing on dumbbells but cos I don't have a training partner its hard to get the goddamn dumbbells up to the starting position from the floor so decided to go back to barbell and within 2 workouts this shit happens.


You don't know how to kick up the dumbells one at a time with your knees? Not busting your balls, just asking.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 01:31:41 PM
You kidding right? You seen size of my legs?

My upper body needs most work I ain't stopping upper body, never

I am already training 10-12 rep range most time not really going super heavy 4-6 and still this shit happens!
lol I bet ur legs are shit

everybody with shit legs says that. like oh I used to play alot of soccer as a kid so my legs are naturally big from that so I don't need to train them  ::)
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: V Man on February 24, 2014, 01:33:25 PM
Your Continual shoulder problems are from scapular issues.

X2!

I used to have shoulder issues but since I learned how to position my shoulder blades during presses they are much better.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: monstermunch on February 24, 2014, 01:35:39 PM
You've got shoulder issues yet you're benching and doing dips?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
You've got shoulder issues yet you're benching and doing dips?
No he hasnt and no he isnt.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: bigmc on February 24, 2014, 01:41:59 PM
Serious answer:

Because of my shoulder injury, (before it was the left mainly, now its the right) both have flared up at different times I have limited range of motion at the bottom in the sense that I can't get the dumbbell of the floor into the starting position (particularly left)

So I have to have someone hand me the dumbbell from the top on the left shoulder, I usually (before now) could just knee up the right one as you say.

Now it doesn't matter if it is 28 kilo dumbbell or 50 kilo dumbbell, still can't do it. Hard to explain.

Once I am in the lock position I am absolutely fine.

Its just very annoying when you don't have training partner so had to go over to flat or incline barbell cos bar already on top position.

  

i told you to inject 10ius a day for five days into the muscle

its very simple its good enough for tiger woods
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: bigmc on February 24, 2014, 01:45:01 PM

That's what I am doing bro by 2 x 5iu not 10iu all in one go.

Got to remember this is legit Genotropin pharma not Chinese sugar water.

i know my friend

if you look at short term hospital protocols

you will see thats what they do
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: monstermunch on February 24, 2014, 01:50:31 PM

Maybe I should just quit and be a marathon runner???? ::)

Tried swimming?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: bigmc on February 24, 2014, 01:52:01 PM
Yeah ok just that whenever I shoot more than 1.4ml in one go makes me go to sleep and CTS becomes a fucker, says on the pack never shoot more than 1ml at one time, still I guess if its for just 5 days no big deal?



bodybuilders dont follow medical advice
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 01:52:35 PM

Nah I got fucking awesome legs for natty @170lb, in fact my legs better than some juiced up guys in my gym who are 200lb+

I don't even need to train legs, just genetic thing although I enjoy training them the most cos they my favorite.

Rest of me is shit though, apart from calves



you're a natural but have no problem injecting hgh ? yeah ok

and 170 lbs. jeez.. fucking manlet
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Rascal full on February 24, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
junior dont injecccccccct in your veins!
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 01:58:52 PM

Serious answer:

Because of my shoulder injury, (before it was the left mainly, now its the right) both have flared up at different times I have limited range of motion at the bottom in the sense that I can't get the dumbbell of the floor into the starting position (particularly left)

So I have to have someone hand me the dumbbell from the top on the left shoulder, I usually (before now) could just knee up the right one as you say.

Now it doesn't matter if it is 28 kilo dumbbell or 50 kilo dumbbell, still can't do it. Hard to explain.

Once I am in the lock position I am absolutely fine.

Its just very annoying when you don't have training partner so had to go over to flat or incline barbell cos bar already on top position.

  
Ugh! That fucking blows, my man. I agree on the whole training partner thing. I usually train alone but will just ask for the occasional spot. Relying on someone else to meet you at the gym, be on time, do the same workout as you is tough
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 02:00:00 PM
junior dont injecccccccct in your veins!
you can absolutely inject hgh into your veins, he's right
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 02:06:18 PM
Yeah ok just that whenever I shoot more than 1.4ml in one go makes me go to sleep and CTS becomes a fucker, says on the pack never shoot more than 1ml at one time, still I guess if its for just 5 days no big deal?



trolling or has no fucking idea.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: _bruce_ on February 24, 2014, 02:07:07 PM
Take anabolichalos wifes dildo and ram it up your fucking arse.

From now on it's Doctor Simple Simon  :D
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 02:08:37 PM
trolling or has no fucking idea.
14ius makes me quite tired also
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 02:09:34 PM
14ius makes me quite tired also
Thats not what he wrote.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 02:11:42 PM

I have been honest and open about it, I took GH about 3-4 months ago for whole of 45 days.

It was more do to with my shoulder injury than anything else, I discussed it with my doctor.

I have used Arimidex in the past (again cos when I was very fat I had high estrogen)!

Never tried any AA's or anything else.

Been sitting on the fence but will probably go ahead and do AA's.

I keep myself light on purpose, if I wanted to blow up to 200lbs natty, have 17.5 inch guns but be 20-25% body fat and look like a powerlifter I could easily do that within 3-4 months. I don't want that!


are you really short?

alot of nattys on here 225-255 with decent bf
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: NordicNerd on February 24, 2014, 02:15:42 PM
Also, I would probably stop incline presses and just focus on regular and decline. 

This solved all my shoulder problems. Have introduced incline dumbell presses and it works better than barbell press.

NN
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: rocket on February 24, 2014, 02:21:00 PM
(natural)

I used to ritualistically develop broken shoulders from benching.  I always continued training, but I would discontinue all bar benching (stay on db) and do no direct shoulder pressing.  Eventually, they would subside and I would continue.  The free range of motion of DBs is much, much better.  You can naturally adjust to discomfort.

Haven't had that problem in maybe 5 years, though, since I learnt to tuck elbows properly when benching.  Used to destroy shoulders pretty much every 3 months of bar benching. 

Regardless of what you do, you MUST get over your hangups of not training a body part and do something - you have had a lot of treatment - but you have trained through it, which is something I probably would have done, too - but it's wrong and in the future you'll admit that.

At the very least do not directly train shoulders.

By the way, I have pathetically weak shoulders from avoiding them (they aren't small) and even at this low weight (dieted down), I can be sure of bench pressing 165kg+.  There are people in my gym who probably have better shoulder press and can't press half that.  That's the reality of shoulders.  They aren't that important in any big movement. 

It's not as bad as you think.  I probably have a military 1rep max at the moment of about 85kg (if I'm lucky).

I have had to not bench for a year and a half before.  That's bad.








Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
Yes I am trolling and have no fucking idea, go buy your sugar water from the China man down the road maybe he deals it in IU's!



Yep, you reveal a little bit more about yourself with every post.
You didnt know where to get needles in London last week.   ;)
Now you are an expert on Chinese import GH and the real thing.


Keep going mate, almost there.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 02:35:07 PM
You wanna know something just ask, I'll tell you, I am not shy, no secrets or mysteries about me.

And yes I still don't have needles.

I have been studying steroids since I was 16.

Think first book I ever bought was Dan Duchaine's Underground Steroid handbook.


Trickery is interdependant on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 02:37:35 PM
I am short, 5 9 and half!
guess. still unless you have terrible genetics you can be 200lbs.

croatch is about same height and 210(?) lbs naturally at decent bf I believe.

Layne Norton 5'10 230! decent bf

Goudy/Ursus on here 6'3 255! (i believe it was around) and decent bf

just to give you an idea what's possible naturally..
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: doison on February 24, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
Just cut the nerve entirely, then you won't have to deal with it anymore. 
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: BAST on February 24, 2014, 02:42:24 PM
Post any link that states Dorian injected into veins UJ.  
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 02:44:13 PM

Yes but no trickery is required when someone is willing to give you the answers and where you stand to gain nothing otherwise and simply create harder work for yourself, you are now bordering on the sublime with your retorts.

I sense your boredom thresholds are higher than usual tonight. That's ok we all have off days.

I am waiting for that one pic which normally redeems you and all if forgotten.



Stand by, I will get you a good one.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: MAXX on February 24, 2014, 02:51:09 PM

Who knows I was speaking to a professional bodybuilder recently someone who has won several national titles and competed in the Arnold classic and he told me that I would be extremely lucky if I managed to even put on 6lbs of muscle in the next year.

I am not in the business of who is a real natty of fake natty but have a good understanding of what is or isn't possible with my body.

Regardless at 35 I ain't no spring chicken and with all the injuries that I have things can only go down hill as a natty.

The injury issues are the biggest motivating factor for me to use PED's right now although in my heart I really don't want to.

The alternative would be just to quit weight training and take up other sports, endurance events, things like that which I do actually enjoy.

All depends on my relationship status at the end of the day (I know that sounds like and odd thing to say) but its a pretty big factor for me
oh thought you where young. probably wont make much more gains naturally at that age..
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: delta9mda on February 24, 2014, 03:03:36 PM
jam the needle in your nerve and tell us how it goes  8)
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: bradistani on February 24, 2014, 03:05:03 PM
Trickery is interdependant on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management.

PARKLIFE
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 03:32:15 PM
junior your doctor is a pussy, nerve damage from 4th cortisol shot i dont think so.

prednisone, get another doc prescribe you those.


if train lightly, can easy maintain muscle on gear.

while talking gear,when is your steroid shot happening?how much longer are you gona play with poop(gh only cycle etc)?


whats the fear?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 03:35:18 PM
Thats not what he wrote.
Isnt 1.4 mls 14iu's? And a shit lose to inject at once?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 03:39:36 PM
Isnt 1.4 mls 14iu's? And a shit lose to inject at once?
I wouldn't get too concerned, hes just making stuff up as he goes along.
Does he look like someone injecting 14ius of GH on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 03:39:59 PM
You wanna know something just ask, I'll tell you, I am not shy, no secrets or mysteries about me.

And yes I still don't have needles.

I have been studying steroids since I was 16.

Think first book I ever bought was Dan Duchaine's Underground Steroid handbook.


You think I'm always riding you Joon but reading books on juice will never substitute hands on experience. Just my opinion but I can't take anyone serious talking about gear who's never actually done it.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
You think I'm always riding you Joon but reading books on juice will never substitute hands on experience. Just my opinion but I can't take anyone serious talking about gear who's never actually done it.

Thats better.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 03:46:54 PM
1.4mg is about 4ius.


junior, have you got ahod of a needle pack?i can send some your way if need be.


2nd week March I am gonna do everything, GH, Test, T4, Anavar, ECA (I need legit Anavar source Upsher Smith or Watson brand only, $400 dollar one not fake Winstrol A-bobs,) concern is get heart attack and die before marrying Bikini.
 
heart attack?
afraid of that?but think of the internet revenue and fame thatd bring.
dont live life in fear, and if it happens, bikini will have strong feelings for a while.

but the concern for heart atack cant be too big or you wouldnt run t4,efedrina.

Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 03:51:13 PM

2nd week March I am gonna do everything, GH, Test, T4, Anavar, ECA (I need legit Anavar source Upsher Smith or Watson brand only, $400 dollar one not fake Winstrol A-bobs,) concern is get heart attack and die before marrying Bikini.
 

3rd week in March
"Dear diary, still not started my gear yet due to chipped finger nail.
Will wait for it to grow back and start gear in May."


Fuck of Joon, timewaster.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 03:52:59 PM
Thats better.
Whats even better is a c unt like dj181 posting on the steroid board. Oh I'm afraid of needles but I will destroy my liver with orals
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Whats even better is a c unt like dj181 posting on the steroid board. Oh I'm afraid of needles but I will destroy my liver with orals
this fucking little kunt will be adressed in my very soon to come video

id throw that asshole under an aproaching train without breaking a sweat ;D
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Simple Simon on February 24, 2014, 03:55:41 PM


I don't know why I am so fucking worried I used to snort 3g coke a day and drink two bottle whisky but I know my mentality I don't really trust myself cos I know I will up dose quickly and get addicted and got nuts.

Someone in gym (gear user) I was speaking with me today was telling me if I was ready mentally cos already without gear I am throwing weights around in gym like Branch Warren and saying mutherfucker each set so he was like 500mg way to much and 250 more than enough but right now I am in bad mood and don't give fuck anymore.

I bet you are the talk of the gym, but not in the way you imagine.

Twats like that dont last two minutes where I train.
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Post by: ChristopherA on February 24, 2014, 04:00:24 PM
this fucking little kunt will be adressed in my very soon to come video

id throw that asshole under an aproaching train without breaking a sweat ;D
i can't believe that little oral taking fagg et is even posting on the steroid forum.  His new username is appropriate though. Bodylike"Ace"Ventura
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: galeniko on February 24, 2014, 04:05:16 PM
i can't believe that little oral taking fagg et is even posting on the steroid forum.  His new username is appropriate though. Bodylike"Ace"Ventura
this assholer actulay pmd me with new name without annonicng it was him, i replied in my usual nice fashion, didnt know its this fagooooottt.

i really regret that i was nice and took the time.

its as useful as explaining things to a donkey,talking martian.

really wonder why this turd even asks questions in the first place.

he looks like miley circus after 2 weeks keto diet,the fucking clown, man, when he compares himself to frank zane, i feel like smashing the keyboard and then eating the parts.

Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: DanielPaul on February 24, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
Start training with the two pound dumbbells 100 reps per set light weight baby!!!!!!!!!
actually this is the best advise , the extremely low weight high rep and focus on form will make the most difference.  Pinning GH anywhere will help your shoulder.
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: wes on February 25, 2014, 08:25:22 AM
"Dear diary, still not started my gear yet due to chipped finger nail.
Will wait for it to grow back and start gear in May."
LOL  ;D

FUCKED UP SHOULDER OF PEACE  :(
Title: Re: Shoulder is fucked! I'm pissed can I pin GH in nerve?
Post by: Tedim on February 25, 2014, 08:47:37 AM
I got cut a year ago.....had one setback due to ego, otherwise on track and getting stronger....245 flat for reps no pain, incline dumbbells 85 for reps some pain but minor....rotation issues still exist but I think that is my lack of stretching and working it out