Getbig Bodybuilding, Figure and Fitness Forums
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Darren Avey on February 25, 2014, 06:57:09 AM
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
-
Special forces are trained to use lethal force. The techniques they utilizes wouldn't necessarily apply in the context of a sport.
-
Special forces are elite soldiers and not elite cage fighters. While they train hand to hand that is just a small portion of their training. How many soldiers are putting people into a guard and choking someone out with a triangle choke? War is fought with weapons. A last ditch weapons is an edged one. When Rorian Gracie first came to America before there was one jui jitsu ground fighting dojo in America he use to challenge Seals in a friendly fight. He would always submit them. Put Rorian on a battle field with a rifle he would be taken out in a heart beat by a Seal.
-
I dont think special operators go around "picking fights" with the enemy.
-
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.
-
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.
This ^^^
-
Special forces use eye gouge, biting, groin strikes, fish hooking, knives basically anything to stop the enemy, so how would a person like this do well in a cage fight.
-
I agree with most have said above. These guys are trained to kill. Once engaged they aren't trained to stop at a whistle, they get in "the zone" and follow through until the threat has been eliminated. Some would even call them dirty fighters. Eye gouging, crotch kicks, throat punches..what ever it takes to end it quickly...and quietly if possible. Fast, violent, ruthless, relentless.
-
Special forces use eye gouge, biting, groin strikes, fish hooking, knives basically anything to stop the enemy, so how would a person like this do well in a cage fight.
They also use snipers and air strikes if the opportunity arises. Dana White might go for that at some point.
-
They get paid more in special forces
-
Dont give Soul Crusher any ideas.
-
You can find masters who have spent their lives developing lightning-fast, lethal skills. In other words, they fuck you up before you even get the chance to realize there is a fight.
Sho Shu masters with 5th degree belts are no joke.
Now, would they even consider stepping into a UFC ring? MMA?
Never!
That's not what they train for, and that's not their perception on martial arts.
Now, could they fuck someone up? Instantaneously.
Would they even be scared? Not in the slightest.
You will never see it.
-
SF guys are experts in their field - their field is in the art of lethal warfare... theyre not necessarily experts in sport fighting.
Huge difference.
and they're specialized even within themaelves..... SEALs are experts at CQB and counter terror, Delta are experts at hostage rescue, Army SF are experts as unconventional warfare and counter insurgency, MARSOC are experts at Recon and small unit warfare, .. etc etc etc. They all kind of cross into each others territory depending on the job to do, but theyre not ultimate unstoppable dearh machines. rheyre highky trained experts in their particular fiels.
-
So Cain smashes them all up one on one?
-
They get paid more in special forces
hahaha
-
if UFC guys are in such great shape, why don't they get on the olympia stage? surely they'd do well, being in such great shape and all
-
Fighting to kill without hesitation and with efficiency in a war situation is vastly different from fighting to win some cage match, either with points or a submission (oh brother).
If you're a soldier and you are rolling around with some guy on the ground, you're as good as dead.
-
if ufc guys are so tough, why dont they get deployed in foreign military operations? surely they'd do well being so tough
-
Because its better to earn millions in da cage then fight in some phony war IE Iraq.
-
The gentlemen within the various special forces train to kill (amongst various other things) by any means immediately available to them.
The UFC guys are sport fighters that abide by a set number of rules for combat.
Individuals in either vocations work by way of different standards. One guy goes out there to "win" a fight. The other guy goes out there to eliminate a target, rescue hostages and fulfill a mission involving tactical approaches.
A simple way of comparing it is that if you place Cain Velasquez in the world of a member of the special forces, say dropping both men in a jungle, with nothing but a SR-25 automatic rifle, the member of the special forces would kill Cain from about half a mile away before Cain even figured out how to click the safety switch off his gun.
On the flip side, if you drop a member of the special forces into the Octagon and you subject him to all of the stupid rules within MMA, Cain will beat the Special Forces guy. Now, it's not because the member of the special forces isn't strong, capable of fighting or in any way less of a true killer, but because you will have essentially stripped the guy out of a multitude of go-to techniques that would involve everything from snapping a person's neck, gouging eyes, breaking the bridge of the nose, punches to the kidneys, kicks to the scrotum and not to mention removing their weapons (guns, grenades, knives etc.).
By the way, members from the Special Forces have actually gone into the UFC. A good example of this is Tim Kennedy.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2011/warrior-workout-1.jpg)
Here is an excerpt from WiKipedia:
Tim Kennedy joined the Army on January 4, 2004 and completed Basic Combat Training, Advanced Individual Training, Airborne School and the Special Forces Qualification Course. Tim was featured in Dick Couch's book about Green Beret selection called "Chosen Soldier" under the moniker "Tom Kendall". In 2007, he completed Ranger School[4] and was assigned to the 7th Special Forces Group,[5] where he served on Operational Detachments Alpha. During this time he was also a sniper, sniper instructor, the principal combatives instructor for C Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group. Kennedy deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom multiple times.[6] Among Kennedy’s multiple awards are the Army’s Bronze Star Medal with V device, which was awarded for valor under fire.[7] In August 2009, Kennedy transitioned from active duty to the Texas Army National Guard and currently serves in the position of Special Forces Weapons Sergeant.
For other stories, look into Brian Stann. He was a Captain in the Marines and was awarded a Silver Star Medal for his gallantry in the battlefield.
"1"
-
if ufc guys are so tough, why dont they get deployed in foreign military operations? surely they'd do well being so tough
Like stopping Congolese colonizing yours little country ;D
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
Mirko Cro Cop ;)
-
Everyone is a genius, but if you judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid...
Probably a big "WOOOSH" with that one also ~
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
How come you never made another movie again after Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?
-
Weren't two Navy Seals just found dead from a heroin overdose on some ship or something?
-
Weren't two Navy Seals just found dead from a heroin overdose on some ship or something?
Why, do you think navy seals are immune to an overdose?
-
Why, do you think navy seals are immune to an overdose?
thats not a part of their training?
-
Not uncommon for these types to have some type of dependency issue. Usually its alcohol.
Regarding UFC pay vs Special Forces pay, someone earlier posted SF get paid more and that's why they don't go into UFC. Not true. Average salary range (depending on rank and time served) is $45-75,000 (higher end being 20yrs plus service). Where most of these guys make REAL money is in private contracting / security. They can easily make double or even triple the salary in just a few months on some contracts.
Mercenary pay is top $$$ ...risk is out of this world though. You basically have to be ok with suicidal situations.
-
With more frequent deployments etc...the average team guy...usually an E-7 is making about 80-100K. Even if they're not deploying to combat they're in and out of tax free zones a lot during an average year. They're making base salary, pro pay, jump pay/dive pay and there are a lot of SOF incentive pays that they get. Its not a bad life if you're single.
-
With more frequent deployments etc...the average team guy...usually an E-7 is making about 80-100K. Even if they're not deploying to combat they're in and out of tax free zones a lot during an average year. They're making base salary, pro pay, jump pay/dive pay and there are a lot of SOF incentive pays that they get. Its not a bad life if you're single.
the couole SF guys I know said its next to impossible to have a family and be an Operator.
-
What about Brian Stann?
I know he's not classed as Special Forces but he was a former marine. Fairly good MMA record, now retired though.
-
With more frequent deployments etc...the average team guy...usually an E-7 is making about 80-100K. Even if they're not deploying to combat they're in and out of tax free zones a lot during an average year. They're making base salary, pro pay, jump pay/dive pay and there are a lot of SOF incentive pays that they get. Its not a bad life if you're single.
Really cause I know E6 Operator who gets about 55k. Maybe he wasn't including HazDuty pay?
-
there are member types on getbig like "experts," "pros," "competitors"... A new group needs to be made for Darren: "Humorless Trolls"
-
Suckmymuscle?
Navy Seal
Unmeasurable IQ (190+)
Broke german shepers neck with 1 hand
Lifts 550 lbs atlas stones for fun
6'4 330lbs lean
black belt in 3 diciplines
would make UFC look like a mockery...
-
I said E-7 because with Army SOF the average rank is about E-7 even if its a young E-7. I've noticed that the SEAL teams appear to have a slightly more junior rank structure. I know you served so you know the pay rates and structures ... figure base pay/BAH/cost of living allowance/hostile fire/family sep/imminent danger/Dive pay/Jump pay/...all the SOF bonus pay. I know a couple of years ago 18 series medics were getting 45K bonuses. Plus Tax free etc. ....compared to a regular E-6 they doing pretty good. We're still only talking about a small community across the DOD.
-
I said E-7 because with Army SOF the average rank is about E-7 even if its a young E-7. I've noticed that the SEAL teams appear to have a slightly more junior rank structure. I know you served so you know the pay rates and structures ... figure base pay/BAH/cost of living allowance/hostile fire/family sep/imminent danger/Dive pay/Jump pay/...all the SOF bonus pay. I know a couple of years ago 18 series medics were getting 45K bonuses. Plus Tax free etc. ....compared to a regular E-6 they doing pretty good. We're still only talking about a small community across the DOD.
a lot of SEALs are junior sailors.... I guess when they graduate BUD/s the jumo into a different rank structure and autonatically jump to E3 or E4.
-
My boss is a Green beanie...he bags on the SEALs all the time saying they're high school level special operators. I think the baseline Army SOF guys get pissed with all the fawning the SEALs get.
-
I said E-7 because with Army SOF the average rank is about E-7 even if its a young E-7. I've noticed that the SEAL teams appear to have a slightly more junior rank structure. I know you served so you know the pay rates and structures ... figure base pay/BAH/cost of living allowance/hostile fire/family sep/imminent danger/Dive pay/Jump pay/...all the SOF bonus pay. I know a couple of years ago 18 series medics were getting 45K bonuses. Plus Tax free etc. ....compared to a regular E-6 they doing pretty good. We're still only talking about a small community across the DOD.
Yeah true. I'm not too good at Army rank but I think E7 is our Gunnery Sgt equivalent of which would be CPO (Chief Petty Ofc.) for Navy.
-
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.
if you ever walk into a fair fight then your plan failed...
its all about the unfair advantage
bench
-
My boss is a Green beanie...he bags on the SEALs all the time saying they're high school level special operators. I think the baseline Army SOF guys get pissed with all the fawning the SEALs get.
I hear that as well. Also, Ive heard they get butthurt that the SEALs have pretty much taken over the DA stuff while the SF guys mostly get to trainocals.
-
Check this...
-
Check this...
I remember thinking 'what a joke' about some of fhe MCCRAP stuff in boot.... until I saw an drill instructor have to light up a recruit who thought he was gonna be tough. Reconsidered after that.
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
hey knuckeldrger, they are badass bc of the weaponry and momento of suprise.
-
I hear that as well. Also, Ive heard they get butthurt that the SEALs have pretty much taken over the DA stuff while the SF guys mostly get to trainocals.
Foreign internal defense or training locals has always been a core Army SOF mission...not talking Delta or Rangers. After 9-11 and because of the ass kicking they did in Afghanistan, a lot of those guys wanted to do nothing but the direct action missions. Its been going back for awhile but its not sexy.
-
Foreign internal defense or training locals has always been a core Army SOF mission...not talking Delta or Rangers. After 9-11 and because of the ass kicking they did in Afghanistan, a lot of those guys wanted to do nothing but the direct action missions. Its been going back for awhile but its not sexy.
Right. .. sometimes I think guys dont actually understand each branches SFs missions, they all think theyre gonna be Rambo.... I remember a guy who wanted to be SF and after finding out what their mission profile was he stayed with the Rangers.
whats amazing to me is the amount of chunky dudes you see in the more elite units... my buddy was telling me that Force is filled with corn fed chunksters that can just hump and jog forever. I know they put more of an emphasis on guys that dont quit, which weeds out a lot of the super athletically gifted guys whore used to coasting through physical activity.
-
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.
What a dick
-
You get a lot of guys that go from the Ranger Regiment to Delta....not as much from SOF. Its a different mindset. The guys in MARSOC are still trying to figure out where they fit in. The Marines treat them like bastard children...short tours without a career track for either higher enlisted or Officers. I always wondered why they don't let the Marines go into the SEALs and be done with it.
-
So Cain smashes them all up one on one?
Please do Getbig a favor, when you have your first cage fight can you post the YouTube link for us to see?
Just curiosity mind you.
-
Not uncommon for these types to have some type of dependency issue. Usually its alcohol.
Regarding UFC pay vs Special Forces pay, someone earlier posted SF get paid more and that's why they don't go into UFC. Not true. Average salary range (depending on rank and time served) is $45-75,000 (higher end being 20yrs plus service). Where most of these guys make REAL money is in private contracting / security. They can easily make double or even triple the salary in just a few months on some contracts.
Mercenary pay is top $$$ ...risk is out of this world though. You basically have to be ok with suicidal situations.
Post 9/11 they were making $1000/day , don't think there is a gold rush like there was around 2001-2006...
Besides ALOT of those private contractors are greedy and ruthless psycho's.
-
You get a lot of guys that go from the Ranger Regiment to Delta....not as much from SOF. Its a different mindset. The guys in MARSOC are still trying to figure out where they fit in. The Marines treat them like bastard children...short tours without a career track for either higher enlisted or Officers. I always wondered why they don't let the Marines go into the SEALs and be done with it.
ive wondered that as well. The Marines never wanted an SF unit under JSOC to begin with, they didnt want to lose their best Marines to other someone else. I also heard their excuse was 'every Marine is elite'
ive oftej wondered what MARSOC did exactly... only guy I met said they are basically glorified Recon Marines that do more direct action.... but they kind of step on the SEALs toes.
-
Yeah...I was in A-Stan when they had their first big screw up in 06'. JSOC asked them to leave shortly after. They've done ok...same kind of mission as a regular SEAL team and they have them doing the training missions with A-Stan SOF. I don't know but would suspect that they're doing a lot in the Philippines's...I"ve been trying to get there forever to have all 3 theaters of war covered. The Marines couldn't turn down that JSOC money so MARSOC will survive for now.
-
I hear that as well. Also, Ive heard they get butthurt that the SEALs have pretty much taken over the DA stuff while the SF guys mostly get to trainocals.
for the most part they all just get pulled for assist missions anyways...and i havent heard MARSOC mentioned yet so im doing that..MARSOC will soon start stealing DELTA and the green berets missions like crazy...not a fact, just a theory i have
the only real spec ops doing truly spec ops misions are the tier 1 groups.. be it team 6 or delta
bench
-
for the most part they all just get pulled for assist missions anyways...and i havent heard MARSOC mentioned yet so im doing that..MARSOC will soon start stealing DELTA and the green berets missions like crazy...not a fact, just a theory i have
the only real spec ops doing truly spec ops misions are the tier 1 groups.. be it team 6 or delta
bench
Huh. Interesting. Thats a steep learning curve for the Corps, its fairky outside what thwyre used to doing. Im sure thre will be a few major fuck ups before they get the swing of it and start kicking ass like theyre used to.
I wonder if they sent the MARSOC guys through the SEALs SQT for their CQB training?
-
The deal is that its a 2 year billet for most senior guys and apparently a career killer for the officers. They don't have as much institutional maturity to steal those missions yet. They need to survive the cuts and see what happens. It makes them hard to work with when you have turn over like that vice a Delta guy with 15 years in the organization.
-
The deal is that its a 2 year billet for most senior guys and apparently a career killer for the officers. They don't have as much institutional maturity to steal those missions yet. They need to survive the cuts and see what happens. It makes them hard to work with when you have turn over like that vice a Delta guy with 15 years in the organization.
why the hell is it only a 2 year billet? Seems retarded. But the Marines never wanted it in the 1st place, so maybe thats their 'fuck you'.
-
Huh. Interesting. Thats a steep learning curve for the Corps, its fairky outside what thwyre used to doing. Im sure thre will be a few major fuck ups before they get the swing of it and start kicking ass like theyre used to.
I wonder if they sent the MARSOC guys through the SEALs SQT for their CQB training?
i want you to remember...MARSOC is just a name...marines have always had special forces..the only reason its called MARSOC now is because the marines stopped fucking around and joined SOCOM...now the funding is damn near unlimited..and the big rules have been eliminated
watch for MARSOC to do big things in the future..im not a marine..but now that they have joined SOCOM i am thinking big
that being said..the rest of the world is just playing bridesmaids to the SEALs and SAS...the selection process alone sets them apart...then the rest is just a dead sprint away from all others...
people may not want to admit it..but the most elite warriors to ever walk the planet are operating right now..and they wear tridents and winged dagers...
bench
-
The SAS and Delta are comparable but a regular SEAL Team isn't the same. An Army SOF Battalion's Alpha Company is comparable to a regular SEAL team with all the same capabilities. MARSOC shares some FID missions with regular Army SOF. They're still finding a home. Again the biggest problem is that a SEAL can enlist in the Navy and do 20 plus on the same Team if he wants to. The Army's guys for the most part have 3-5 years in and then can do 15 years or more as Green Berets...same on the Officer side of the house. Hell you can do 20 in the Ranger Regiment. MARSOC...the guys do 2-3 years and are treated like shit when they go back to the fleet. The officers aren't as competitive for promotion and there aren't a lot of senior NCO billets. The guys that founded Delta stayed for years. I can bet there isn't a single plank owner left in MARSOC. Its not their fault and its pissed off SOCOM and JSOC because the unit is multi capable and they've poured money into it. Based on how the budget is shaping up MARSOC might be better served if SOCOM can lean on the Marines to change how they do business with these guys. Maybe getting rid of the current asshole they have as Commandant is a start.
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
Cage fighting with "rules" ain't really the kind of training. The idea of training is to never have to engage the enemy in close quarter combat WITHOUT a weapon. I had an old gunny tell me - if you ever find yourself with fixed bayonet - it's a bad fucking day.
-
"Fix bayonets" is the last thing you want to hear in combat.....or "prepare to repel boarders"
-
"Fix bayonets" is the last thing you want to hear in combat.....or "prepare to repel boarders"
That scene in we were soldiers where sam elliot pulls his sidearm and calmy states 'gentleman, prepare to defend yourselves.....' always makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.
I agree with you about the SF stuff... all the indoc/selection stuff is comparable across the board... my buddy that went through Recon school had very comparable stories to the SEAL training, just dofferent focuses.
Tier 1 guys are different levels.
-
The SAS and Delta are comparable but a regular SEAL Team isn't the same. An Army SOF Battalion's Alpha Company is comparable to a regular SEAL team with all the same capabilities. MARSOC shares some FID missions with regular Army SOF. They're still finding a home. Again the biggest problem is that a SEAL can enlist in the Navy and do 20 plus on the same Team if he wants to. The Army's guys for the most part have 3-5 years in and then can do 15 years or more as Green Berets...same on the Officer side of the house. Hell you can do 20 in the Ranger Regiment. MARSOC...the guys do 2-3 years and are treated like shit when they go back to the fleet. The officers aren't as competitive for promotion and there aren't a lot of senior NCO billets. The guys that founded Delta stayed for years. I can bet there isn't a single plank owner left in MARSOC. Its not their fault and its pissed off SOCOM and JSOC because the unit is multi capable and they've poured money into it. Based on how the budget is shaping up MARSOC might be better served if SOCOM can lean on the Marines to change how they do business with these guys. Maybe getting rid of the current asshole they have as Commandant is a start.
I agree with all...But a regular SEAL team is leaps an bounds more than anything the army can offer with the exception of DELTA...from what I've seen first hand I can say SEALs are a world apart..those guys are a plane of their own
Bench
-
Huh. Interesting. Thats a steep learning curve for the Corps, its fairky outside what thwyre used to doing. Im sure thre will be a few major fuck ups before they get the swing of it and start kicking ass like theyre used to.
I wonder if they sent the MARSOC guys through the SEALs SQT for their CQB training?
Major fuck ups are the biggest learning curves for our military..if it wasn't for delta messing up eagle we wouldn't have DEVGRU lol
Bench
-
It really wasn't their fault...and it lead to the creation of the 160th. If Carter had a little more balls they would have done the soccer stadium thing. I suspect that would have been worse.
-
It really wasn't their fault...and it lead to the creation of the 160th. If Carter had a little more balls they would have done the soccer stadium thing. I suspect that would have been worse.
Carter was a bitch though...afraid to be the unpopular guy
It all comes down to training...we could have shock and awed..but it all comes down to a cowardly leader and budgetary restraints..
And I agree on eagle claw...weather was a huge factor that
Military intelligents failed on...delta got a black eye on the fault of others
Bench
-
It worked out...they were going shoot their way into where ever the hostages were at..shoot their way out and then make it to the Teheran soccer stadium and get picked up. I got to meet one of the guys that peddled around Iran collecting intel for the mission. He broke his foot and it took weeks to bike ride his way out of the country.
-
It worked out...they were going shoot their way into where ever the hostages were at..shoot their way out and then make it to the Teheran soccer stadium and get picked up. I got to meet one of the guys that peddled around Iran collecting intel for the mission. He broke his foot and it took weeks to bike ride his way out of the country.
Delta is a tier 1 group who people won't take seriously...and in all honesty that's an advantage for them!
They are a solid tier 1 group that won't stop..2 modes, balls out and KIA...just 1 mission fucked them over..damn shame because they deserve the props within the community(fuck what everyone else thinks)
Bench
-
That was before Delta really became Delta/CAG and the organization they are today......they've done very well over the last 13 years. They kicked ass all over A-Stan during the early days and Iraq. Not hearing much about they is usually a good thing...same with the SAS. Neither enjoys seeing their shit in books and movies.
-
That was before Delta really became Delta/CAG and the organization they are today......they've done very well over the last 13 years. They kicked ass all over A-Stan during the early days and Iraq. Not hearing much about they is usually a good thing...same with the SAS. Neither enjoys seeing their shit in books and movies.
CIA has been in a sharing mood lately...and they are very close with the SEALs lol
bench
-
"Fix bayonets" is the last thing you want to hear in combat.....or "prepare to repel boarders"
Yeh - those two commands are not good. They basically mean it's over boys let's fight like hell til the end
-
One of the SEALs who consulted on my last project was a cagefighter, since the navy fucked them all over (and they were all in obamas favorite vote winners, SEAL team 6) for their involvement I guess he has a lot more time to train bjj these days :-\
-
One of the SEALs who consulted on my last project was a cagefighter, since the navy fucked them all over (and they were all in obamas favorite vote winners, SEAL team 6) for their involvement I guess he has a lot more time to train bjj these days :-\
Is SOP in Washington - but it is disgusting how the king and his court used those guys as political pawns. I have heard the argument "he gave the order" - no shit he did and so would Ghandi have if he would have been POTUS and that Intel was received. Do morons REALLY think his military advisors ASKED for the order?? We are naive society but damn.
-
I dont think special operators go around "picking fights" with the enemy.
ROFL ;D
-
Yeh - those two commands are not good. They basically mean it's over boys let's fight like hell til the end
its all a mindset...if you are a bad SOB..LOL
"All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of
us, they're behind us...they can't get away this time"
- Lewis B. "Chesty" Puller, USMC
BENCH
-
I can understand how the United States and Russia recruit so many bad asses out of their population, but where do Canadians for example get tough soldiers for elite units?
Surely there aren't just naturally tough people outside the United States and Russia?
-
-
I can understand how the United States and Russia recruit so many bad asses out of their population, but where do Canadians for example get tough soldiers for elite units?
Surely there aren't just naturally tough people outside the United States and Russia?
i worked with some canadian SF in astan...and austrailian SF in iraq...i was making fun of the canadians before i worked with them...that stopped shortly after the first outing..legit
bench
-
China has some very tough mean fuckers.
-
Please do Getbig a favor, when you have your first cage fight can you post the YouTube link for us to see?
Just curiosity mind you.
Of course but if I get my way you ll know all about it. Justin Bieber wants a cage fight and his people are looking for an opponent and my gym has put my name out as ill be making my debut and I m only a little lad myself! Little but DEADLY!!! Like a redback spider!
-
The SAS and Delta are comparable but a regular SEAL Team isn't the same. An Army SOF Battalion's Alpha Company is comparable to a regular SEAL team with all the same capabilities. MARSOC shares some FID missions with regular Army SOF. They're still finding a home. Again the biggest problem is that a SEAL can enlist in the Navy and do 20 plus on the same Team if he wants to. The Army's guys for the most part have 3-5 years in and then can do 15 years or more as Green Berets...same on the Officer side of the house. Hell you can do 20 in the Ranger Regiment. MARSOC...the guys do 2-3 years and are treated like shit when they go back to the fleet. The officers aren't as competitive for promotion and there aren't a lot of senior NCO billets. The guys that founded Delta stayed for years. I can bet there isn't a single plank owner left in MARSOC. Its not their fault and its pissed off SOCOM and JSOC because the unit is multi capable and they've poured money into it. Based on how the budget is shaping up MARSOC might be better served if SOCOM can lean on the Marines to change how they do business with these guys. Maybe getting rid of the current asshole they have as Commandant is a start.
+1
-
i worked with some canadian SF in astan...and austrailian SF in iraq...i was making fun of the canadians before i worked with them...that stopped shortly after the first outing..legit
bench
I know right? If I remember correctly, don't the Canadians hold the sniper confirmed kill distance record?
-
I know right? If I remember correctly, don't the Canadians hold the sniper confirmed kill distance record?
Rob Furlong was apparently a bit of a walter mitty .
Brits hold it, legit record.
-
I know right? If I remember correctly, don't the Canadians hold the sniper confirmed kill distance record?
longer than Chris Kyles? Reading his book, his longest confirmed kills were accidents. .. one he took a potshot at a dude who was dancing and taunting him because he was out of range, and the Marines were egging him on (imagine that), so he just did a rough guess and nailed the dude way beyond his 'supposed' capabilites.
-
Rob Furlong was apparently a bit of a walter mitty .
Brits hold it, legit record.
yep you are correct sir, Craig Harrison 2,707yrds using .338 Lapua Magnum ammo
-
Rob Furlong was apparently a bit of a walter mitty .
Brits hold it, legit record.
there is a lot of controversy in that record...only the guy who took the shot believes it...the record says he did 3 shots..1 hitting an RPK, 1 killing the guy holding it, and 1 killing another enemy...so 3 shots, 100% accuracy at damn near 3000yards(almost 2 miles) with a 338 lapua rocking 250grain lock base rounds?
him and the media are the only ones buying that crock of shit...no one really knows the true record for distance..they are always fabricated by a good margin before it ever becomes official
bench
-
longer than Chris Kyles? Reading his book, his longest confirmed kills were accidents. .. one he took a potshot at a dude who was dancing and taunting him because he was out of range, and the Marines were egging him on (imagine that), so he just did a rough guess and nailed the dude way beyond his 'supposed' capabilites.
chris was never in the running for the distance record with his shot...he openly admitted his 1 shot was a freak accident though
bench
-
Apparently Australia has a record shot but no one is confirming it. ::)
-
I can understand how the United States and Russia recruit so many bad asses out of their population, but where do Canadians for example get tough soldiers for elite units?
Surely there aren't just naturally tough people outside the United States and Russia?
The Canadians had one the best airborne regiments in the world...and then they disbanded them.
It all goes to training. A buddy of mine did an exchange thing with a Russian SOF unit..they worked hard to impress the Americans etc, fire jumping...and the martial arts shit...mock building takedown. They then had a 25K hump competition and the Russians managed to drown 4 of their guys. I'm underwhelmed with Russian SOF.
-
Post 9/11 they were making $1000/day , don't think there is a gold rush like there was around 2001-2006...
Besides ALOT of those private contractors are greedy and ruthless psycho's.
They are also generally fat with shit tats and goatee beards. But, hey, those barriers wont lift their selves.
-
To the op, this is the sort of question I would expect from a 14 year old boy.
Totally different things.
Special ops guys won't usually beat egotistical cage fighters with tattoos and Mohawks and other bullshit in a fistfight, however they definitely have way more courage - because they know there is no referee to stop the fight. These egomaniac cage fighters (excluding the Japanese and Ruskis for the most part) need their ego fed and have a strong sense of self preservation that would preventing them from really 'putting it all on the line'.
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
probobly cause their jobs with the government pay more than the ufc ever would.
retard
-
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.
They do. Crocop was special force and Fedor was millitary. But MMA has been adapted to sports entertainment. Many techniques use by special forces are obviously not allowed.
-
They do. Crocop was special force and Fedor was millitary. But MMA has been adapted to sports entertainment. Many techniques use by special forces are obviously not allowed.
Yes yes. The ground & hump technique more commonly known as BJJ would befuddle most special forces soldiers.
-
I agree with most have said above. These guys are trained to kill. Once engaged they aren't trained to stop at a whistle, they get in "the zone" and follow through until the threat has been eliminated. Some would even call them dirty fighters. Eye gouging, crotch kicks, throat punches..what ever it takes to end it quickly...and quietly if possible. Fast, violent, ruthless, relentless.
No matter what the rules, in one-on-one fight in a cage without a weapon, they'd still get smashed by Cain.
Like some cop wrote (to other cops) on reddit/r/toprotectandserve "If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck"
-
They are also generally fat with shit tats and goatee beards. But, hey, those barriers wont lift their selves.
Not all lol, but i'm sure some. Do ex SEALS, SAS, JTF2 ops ect really let themselves go that bad?
-
Not all lol, but i'm sure some. Do ex SEALS, SAS, JTF2 ops ect really let themselves go that bad?
No, they generally don't.
There is some, 10% or so...
-
No, they generally don't.
There is some, 10% or so...
The fat tattooed contractors Ken mentioned could just be ex marines..
-
The fat tattooed contractors Ken mentioned could just be ex marines..
Yes, a lot of ex "devil dogs" waddling round afghan dressed head to foot in ill fitting 5.11 gear
Only joking, shockwave.
Not all lol, but i'm sure some. Do ex SEALS, SAS, JTF2 ops ect really let themselves go that bad?
In reality how many contractors are ex sf? The vast majority Ive met are ex infantry or were previously in a corps. There was a bloke from my hometown who was doing convoy protection in Iraq and his "credentials" were bouncing on the door of local pubs and an ex UKSF family member.
-
I know somone thats done protection in Iraq and his credentials were that he was basically a tough pikey! Thats it!
-
Yes, a lot of ex "devil dogs" waddling round afghan dressed head to foot in ill fitting 5.11 gear
Only joking, shockwave.
In reality how many contractors are ex sf? The vast majority Ive met are ex infantry or were previously in a corps. There was a bloke from my hometown who was doing convoy protection in Iraq and his "credentials" were bouncing on the door of local pubs and an ex UKSF family member.
yup. Most contractors genwrally are just regular grunts that got out and get paid a lot more. There are certain comoanies owned and operated by former spec ops, they generally advise and train police and mikitary units.
-
Yes, a lot of ex "devil dogs" waddling round afghan dressed head to foot in ill fitting 5.11 gear
Only joking, shockwave.
In reality how many contractors are ex sf? The vast majority Ive met are ex infantry or were previously in a corps. There was a bloke from my hometown who was doing convoy protection in Iraq and his "credentials" were bouncing on the door of local pubs and an ex UKSF family member.
I know for sure the big 3 security companies have many SEALS and SAS working for them, not in abundance but they are there... benchmstr would obviously be the guy to ask about that.
-
Maybe they are busy.
-
I guess the real question is why don't Special Ed guys go into UFC? Retard strength and all...
Outside the dumb film, "Here Comes The Boom" I have yet to waste my time watching an MMA fight. Not my cup of tea mind you, but if its yours so be it. Too ghetto. Too brutal. Too disgusting. I just don't get it.
-
I know for sure the big 3 security companies have many SEALS and SAS working for them, not in abundance but they are there... benchmstr would obviously be the guy to ask about that.
Different companies seem to go for the different SOF services...Blackwater or whatever they are now was SEALcentric with Triple Canopy being Army SOF. They all used to hire a lot of Guatemalan Kabil's and olther latin American SOF. Aegis had a ton of ex Brit royal Marines and eastern Europeans.
-
I guess the real question is why don't Special Ed guys go into UFC? Retard strength and all...
Outside the dumb film, "Here Comes The Boom" I have yet to waste my time watching an MMA fight. Not my cup of tea mind you, but if its yours so be it. Too ghetto. Too brutal. Too disgusting. I just don't get it.
Just sit and watch, you ll be surprised how much you love it, da cage is where its at
-
Just sit and watch, you ll be surprised how much you love it, da cage is where its at
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MMgACW-e4HA/UFCGXEqvSmI/AAAAAAAAAT0/_FBp9kxcJPI/s1600/ufc-is-gay.jpg)
-
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6237799936/hB34A2FF6/)