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Darren Avey

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Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« on: February 25, 2014, 06:57:09 AM »
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2014, 07:13:07 AM »
Special forces are trained to use lethal force.  The techniques they utilizes wouldn't necessarily apply in the context of a sport. 

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2014, 07:27:02 AM »
Special forces are elite soldiers and not elite cage fighters. While they train hand to hand that is just a small portion of their training. How many soldiers are putting people into a guard and choking someone out with a triangle choke? War is fought with weapons. A last ditch weapons is an edged one. When Rorian Gracie first came to America before there was one jui jitsu ground fighting dojo in America he use to challenge Seals in a friendly fight. He would always submit them.  Put Rorian on a battle field with a rifle he would be taken out in a heart beat by a Seal.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2014, 07:35:13 AM »
I dont think special operators go around "picking fights" with the enemy.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 07:58:32 AM »
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 08:17:22 AM »
Like most sane folks, they don't like a fair fight.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 08:17:36 AM »
Special forces use eye gouge, biting, groin strikes, fish hooking, knives basically anything to stop the enemy, so how would a person like this do well in a cage fight.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 08:24:04 AM »
I agree with most have said above. These guys are trained to kill. Once engaged they aren't trained to stop at a whistle, they get in "the zone" and follow through until the threat has been eliminated. Some would even call them dirty fighters. Eye gouging, crotch kicks, throat punches..what ever it takes to end it quickly...and quietly if possible. Fast, violent, ruthless, relentless.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 08:48:23 AM »
Special forces use eye gouge, biting, groin strikes, fish hooking, knives basically anything to stop the enemy, so how would a person like this do well in a cage fight.

They also use snipers and air strikes if the opportunity arises. Dana White might go for that at some point.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 08:51:26 AM »
They get paid more in special forces

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 08:55:25 AM »
Dont give Soul Crusher any ideas.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 08:59:51 AM »
You can find masters who have spent their lives developing lightning-fast, lethal skills. In other words, they fuck you up before you even get the chance to realize there is a fight.

Sho Shu masters with 5th degree belts are no joke.

Now, would they even consider stepping into a UFC ring? MMA?

Never!

That's not what they train for, and that's not their perception on martial arts.

Now, could they fuck someone up? Instantaneously.

Would they even be scared? Not in the slightest.


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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 09:02:41 AM »
SF guys are experts in their field - their field is in the art of lethal warfare... theyre not necessarily experts in sport fighting.

Huge difference.
and they're specialized even within themaelves..... SEALs are experts at CQB and counter terror, Delta are experts at hostage rescue, Army SF are experts as unconventional warfare and counter insurgency, MARSOC are experts at Recon and small unit warfare, .. etc etc etc. They all kind of cross into each others territory depending on the job to do, but theyre not ultimate unstoppable dearh machines. rheyre highky trained experts in their particular fiels.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 10:04:19 AM »
So Cain smashes them all up one on one?

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 10:19:09 AM »
They get paid more in special forces

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 10:21:48 AM »
if UFC guys are in such great shape, why don't they get on the olympia stage? surely they'd do well, being in such great shape and all

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 10:32:16 AM »
Fighting to kill without hesitation and with efficiency in a war situation is vastly different from fighting to win some cage match, either with points or a submission (oh brother).

If you're a soldier and you are rolling around with some guy on the ground, you're as good as dead.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2014, 10:33:46 AM »

if ufc guys are so tough, why dont they get deployed in foreign military operations? surely they'd do well being so tough

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2014, 10:41:03 AM »
Because its better to earn millions in da cage then fight in some phony war IE Iraq.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2014, 10:43:36 AM »
The gentlemen within the various special forces train to kill (amongst various other things) by any means immediately available to them.

The UFC guys are sport fighters that abide by a set number of rules for combat.

Individuals in either vocations work by way of different standards. One guy goes out there to "win" a fight. The other guy goes out there to eliminate a target, rescue hostages and fulfill a mission involving tactical approaches.

A simple way of comparing it is that if you place Cain Velasquez in the world of a member of the special forces, say dropping both men in a jungle, with nothing but a SR-25 automatic rifle, the member of the special forces would kill Cain from about half a mile away before Cain even figured out how to click the safety switch off his gun.

On the flip side, if you drop a member of the special forces into the Octagon and you subject him to all of the stupid rules within MMA, Cain will beat the Special Forces guy. Now, it's not because the member of the special forces isn't strong, capable of fighting or in any way less of a true killer, but because you will have essentially stripped the guy out of a multitude of go-to techniques that would involve everything from snapping a person's neck, gouging eyes, breaking the bridge of the nose, punches to the kidneys, kicks to the scrotum and not to mention removing their weapons (guns, grenades, knives etc.).

By the way, members from the Special Forces have actually gone into the UFC. A good example of this is Tim Kennedy.



Here is an excerpt from WiKipedia:

Tim Kennedy joined the Army on January 4, 2004 and completed Basic Combat Training, Advanced Individual Training, Airborne School and the Special Forces Qualification Course. Tim was featured in Dick Couch's book about Green Beret selection called "Chosen Soldier" under the moniker "Tom Kendall". In 2007, he completed Ranger School[4] and was assigned to the 7th Special Forces Group,[5] where he served on Operational Detachments Alpha. During this time he was also a sniper, sniper instructor, the principal combatives instructor for C Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group. Kennedy deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom multiple times.[6] Among Kennedy’s multiple awards are the Army’s Bronze Star Medal with V device, which was awarded for valor under fire.[7] In August 2009, Kennedy transitioned from active duty to the Texas Army National Guard and currently serves in the position of Special Forces Weapons Sergeant.

For other stories, look into Brian Stann. He was a Captain in the Marines and was awarded a Silver Star Medal for his gallantry in the battlefield.

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2014, 01:02:12 PM »
if ufc guys are so tough, why dont they get deployed in foreign military operations? surely they'd do well being so tough

Like stopping Congolese colonizing yours little country  ;D

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2014, 01:03:13 PM »
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.

Mirko Cro Cop  ;)

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2014, 01:04:37 PM »
Everyone is a genius, but if you judge a fish on it's ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it is stupid...





Probably a big "WOOOSH" with that one also ~

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2014, 01:07:09 PM »
Ive been hearing again how badass UK and Russian special forces SAS, Delta or whatever are. How come they don't get in da cage? Surely if they re so bad they d do well.
Id love to see some badass SAS guy against Cain.

How come you never made another movie again after Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory?

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Re: Why dont special forces guys go into UFC
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2014, 01:10:00 PM »
Weren't two Navy Seals just found dead from a heroin overdose on some ship or something?