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Any news or feedback on this?
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Supposed to be awesome and better than Craze.
A friend got a sample and said it was the shit, more intense than Craze.
Can't fucking wait to try it when it comes out.
All signs look good.
Matt Cawhill is a fucking genius.
Fuck knows what concoction is in this shit!
I stopped all of that shit once on gear. No need.
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Cup of coffee works for me.
Used to mess around with dymetadrine-25 back in the day, but feel no need now, despite me getting less sleep than ever now.
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Yeah but imagine that AND gear for epicness!
If it's anything like Craze (and good sources that have had the samples say it's better) then holy shit.
Not saying you might not find out later its liquid coke though! ;)
Epic tachycardia. I just think that I am already playing with fire with gear, I want to pump the brakes on all the other stupid shit.
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Supposed to be awesome and better than Craze.
A friend got a sample and said it was the shit, more intense than Craze.
Can't fucking wait to try it when it comes out.
All signs look good.
Matt Cawhill is a fucking genius.
Fuck knows what concoction is in this shit!
you need to drop the stims bro
you might as well take speed every day
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i'm getting some samples on diffrent workout stims. craze is one of them, how is it compared too ephedra/drine? any crash? they will send me some pure ephedrine 30mg as well as ephedrine 30mg+dmaa 50mg+caffeine 100mg...last one sounds pretty kickass....50 mg ephedrine alone has always done it for me though....never hurt esp on legday
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a fool and their money....
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it's usually crap, i'd stay away from boosters, they fuck u up
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Better than both.
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Right before working out.
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQYCIp_Ifao8s-EPJUzMHtdL_VytLQtRPMijR-cxd2oXtlkkcfZkg)
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I had to try new grounds and tried Enhanched.. People were saying it was the next best thing but it was deeply disappointing. I just miss craze when I take it.
Read on the site that Craze is focus oriented while this is more "aggressive". Not sure I like that, the calm focus is what made Craze so good.
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In my experience nothing I've tried so far beats good old ephedrine. Craze, done maybe 10 tubs, tons of different DMAA products etc, but ephedrine is just better all around.
Problem is, there's only this 30mg ephedrine where I'm at, sold at way too high a price. It was ok when I could by 1000 count tubs of the 30mg ones for about 100 bucks out of the UK. I think they said they came out of Pakistan and sold for 10 bucks there?
Dymetadrine-25 was the shit, fond memories. First ephedrine I did 20 years ago. :D
I'm sure I'll get ahold of some Frenzy to see what it's like, but I would never recommend anyone else to try it. You'll be doing some research chemical with unknown effects and health risks.
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Craze is very different its not like a regular stim at all, I honestly believe it to contain some kind of anticholinergic drug, has all those properties, really weird to explain the vibe you get with it.
-Definitely build up a tolerance.
-Definitely very addictive (psychologically)
- Definite feelings of over-stimulation, I could train 4 hours on Craze no problem.
- Very mild visual disturbances (no biggie but only at the higher doses do you notice it)
-Awesome fat burner and appetite suppressant (better and stronger than Ephedrine in my opinion)
-Definite yields in strength gains for sure.
-Just all round bunch of fun to train on drug, like without it you feel like you don't wanna workout.
-Everything is like bam bam bam, one set to another to another to another with like no rest and you don't get tired either.
The higher dose you take the more you notice all these things, huge difference between 2 scoops (which it says never to go over) and 3 scoops.
3 scoops plus you literally flying, especially if you take it on empty stomach.
Why do you always look and sound doped up to fuck, are you just a buzzing retard?
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In my experience nothing I've tried so far beats good old ephedrine. Craze, done maybe 10 tubs, tons of different DMAA products etc, but ephedrine is just better all around.
Problem is, there's only this 30mg ephedrine where I'm at, sold at way too high a price. It was ok when I could by 1000 count tubs of the 30mg ones for about 100 bucks out of the UK. I think they said they came out of Pakistan and sold for 10 bucks there?
Dymetadrine-25 was the shit, fond memories. First ephedrine I did 20 years ago. :D
I'm sure I'll get ahold of some Frenzy to see what it's like, but I would never recommend anyone else to try it. You'll be doing some research chemical with unknown effects and health risks.
try century supplements
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try century supplements
Thanks bro, been thinking about asking some UK member for some UK based ephedrine source.
The Kaizen stuff looks good.
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Thanks bro, been thinking about asking some UK member for some UK based ephedrine source.
The Kaizen stuff looks good.
i get it from there
it comes from canada takes about 5 days
the kaizen stuff is bang on
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I have about 15 tubs of Craze left still, I am sure I can send you one if you are a good boy, convince me! ;)
Seriously totally agree Craze is different league than anything I have ever taken and I have tried most of them.
No idea if Frenzy is gonna live up to the expectation but based on what I have heard it looks promising.
I doubt Cahill would come up with something that was not as good/similar and was only matter of time since Craze was such a hit.
frenzy is craze with the amphetamine taken out
it wont be the same
if you are that fussed
have a line of colombian marching powder before you train
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I honestly believe it to contain some kind of anticholinergic drug, has all those properties, really weird to explain the vibe you get with it.
It's not a mystery as to what it contained.
Drug Test Anal. 2013 Oct 14. doi: 10.1002/dta.1578. [Epub ahead of print]
A methamphetamine analog (N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine) identified in a mainstream dietary supplement.
Cohen PA1, Travis JC, Venhuis BJ.
Author information
Abstract
Pharmaceuticals and banned substances have been detected in hundreds of purportedly natural supplements. Recently, several athletes have been disqualified from competition after testing positive for the methamphetamine analog N,α-diethyl-phenylethylamine (N,α-DEPEA). Athletes have claimed they unknowingly consumed the banned stimulant in workout supplements. Three samples from different lot numbers of Craze, a workout supplement, were analyzed to detect the presence and concentration of N,α-DEPEA. Two labs independently identified N,α-DEPEA in the supplement using ultra high performance liquid chromatography (UHPLC) coupled to an LTQ Orbitrap XL mass spectrometer and UHPLC-quadruple-time-of-flight mass (Q-TOF) spectrometer, respectively. The identity of N,α-DEPEA was confirmed using nuclear magnetic resonance and reference standards. Manufacturer recommended servings were estimated to provide 21 to 35 mg of N,α-DEPEA. N,α-DEPEA has never been studied in humans. N,α-DEPEA is a methamphetamine analog; however, its stimulant, addictive and other adverse effects in humans are entirely unknown. Regulatory agencies should act expeditiously to warn consumers and remove N,α-DEPEA from all dietary supplements. Copyright © 2013 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
Copyright © 2013 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd
J Anal Toxicol. 2014 Mar;38(2):63-72. doi: 10.1093/jat/bkt097. Epub 2013 Dec 15.
LC-MS-MS Analysis of Dietary Supplements for N-ethyl-α-ethyl-phenethylamine (ETH), N, N-diethylphenethylamine and Phenethylamine.
Elsohly MA1, Gul W.
Author information
Abstract
There has been a recent rise in the number of cases of athletes being banned from competition because of positive tests for prohibited substances in their biological specimens. Most of these substances are on the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) prohibited list, while others are not specifically named on the list. N-Ethyl-α-ethyl-phenethylamine (ETH), a derivative of phenethylamine (PEA), is one of these unlisted substances and shares chemical and biological effects to the amphetamines, which are listed on the WADA prohibited substances list. It is classified as Category 6B stimulant on the list. This study was directed toward the development of an liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry (LC-MS-MS) method for the analysis of ETH in performance-enhancing dietary supplement. A standard was prepared and confirmed by spectroscopic analysis, which was then used to develop the analytical procedure. The procedure was validated and found to have an limit of detection of 2.5 ng/mL, limit of quantification of 5 ng/mL and upper limit of linearity of 500 ng/mL, with within-day variability at the 10-ng/mL level range of 3.88-7.89% (n = 6) and 1.39-3.36% (n = 6) for the 100-ng/mL level. The day-to-day variability was 9.8% for the low control and 3.1% for the high control. The method was used to analyze a variety of dietary supplements for ETH as well as PEA and its N, N-diethyl derivative (NDP).
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frenzy is craze with the amphetamine taken out
it wont be the same
if you are that fussed
have a line of colombian marching powder before you train
please show me then what site I can place an order for coke legally and shipped to me ???
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it contained a similar molecule that get's caught in the tests for meth while not being meth.
if the tests were smarter and distinguished these two it would still be legal. it was at least what I gathered from reading up on this..
on the other hand, whatever works in a supplement, they will ban. so it probably would have been banned anyway. they making it up as they go.
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funny they awarded craze the best pwo in the annual "supplement awards" and then withdrew the product
shows how anxious and uninformed they are about the products they're awarding
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Supposed to be awesome and better than Craze.
A friend got a sample and said it was the shit, more intense than Craze.
Can't fucking wait to try it when it comes out.
All signs look good.
Matt Cawhill is a fucking genius.
Fuck knows what concoction is in this shit!
LOL- It's Matt cahill AKA Sledge aka-sledgehammer back when he posted on the boards. You should of got in with matt cahill when he was running a UGL lab and selling very potent anabolics. Matt was the first guy to release superdrol. He sold the superdrol in raw powder form and it was fucking insanely strong! It tested out at 98.8% pure. He also made this sledge-Test and alot of other great products this was before he even started Designer Supplements.
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anyone want to sell their craze to me? ive not tried stims in a long while and im 10 weeks out. and its time to add that stuff in
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just take steroids
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funny they awarded craze the best pwo in the annual "supplement awards" and then withdrew the product
shows how anxious and uninformed they are about the products they're awarding
The press has no idea what a "stereoisomer" is, so meth!
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Mark Lobliner got hit up by the press about craze. This is what he says about craze and what it was spiked with. spiked by matt cahill.
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Is Frenzy available yet? Will it be at Vitamin Shoppe or will u have to find it online?
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I heard that Frenzy will be sold in Europe only. It will not be available in the U.S.
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it contained a similar molecule that get's caught in the tests for meth while not being meth.
if the tests were smarter and distinguished these two it would still be legal. it was at least what I gathered from reading up on this..
on the other hand, whatever works in a supplement, they will ban. so it probably would have been banned anyway. they making it up as they go.
No, it wasn't due to false positives on drug tests.
WADA started finding this designer stimulant in athletes' urine. They will sanction athletes for substances not explicitly on the banned list. WADA was critisized for not warning athletes of taking Craze et al., not warning how it contained a substance not on the label, they just banned people. But OTOH the rules state that an athlete is responsible for anything they ingest, "mistake" or "not knowing" is no excuse. That's why they warn against using any and all supplements.
It's still not illegal per se, or more correctly it hasn't been determined if this substances falls under the analogue act, which means some substances can be classed as illegal drugs if they are too similar to for example methamphetamine. That's why Matt Cahill is still not in prison. There has been speculation that Matt is working for the authorities and has been for a long time, bringing down people selling Superdrol etc (which he himself used to sell)... and that would be a reason he's still a free man.
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I have about 15 tubs of Craze left still, I am sure I can send you one if you are a good boy, convince me! ;)
Seriously totally agree Craze is different league than anything I have ever taken and I have tried most of them.
No idea if Frenzy is gonna live up to the expectation but based on what I have heard it looks promising.
I doubt Cahill would come up with something that was not as good/similar and was only matter of time since Craze was such a hit.
Do your research, it's been proven that Craze has a methamphetamine analog in it. It is very similar to amphetamine and meth. That's why it works so well.
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I heard that Frenzy will be sold in Europe only. It will not be available in the U.S.
The UK seems more lax when it comes to designer drugs. There has been talk of outright legalizing some designer drugs since the market is completely flooded with new designers and the politicians don't know what to do about it.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/dec/12/ministers-new-solution-legal-highs
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Frenzy is out now.
Predator nutrition
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I just ordered 2 of them. They ship to the U.S. Get it while you can......
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I just ordered 2 of them. They ship to the U.S. Get it while you can......
Weird, the predator nutrition site said that it's not available to the U.S.
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Weird, the predator nutrition site said that it's not available to the U.S.
It said that in the outline, but it allows you to order it. I think it's trying to say not sold by American retailers.
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LOL
They claim they will sell out tomorrow. Next batch not until july.
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It said that in the outline, but it allows you to order it. I think it's trying to say not sold by American retailers.
The posts on their forum claim that they will just cancel the order...
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cant wait till Schizoid hits the market...
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The posts on their forum claim that they will just cancel the order...
Hmmm. I guess we will see. I'll update here if I get an email for cancellation.
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BOOOOM!
Look what just arrived boys!
drink it up jonny
let us know if its better than craze
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They claim they will sell out tomorrow. Next batch not until july.
and....
this stuff is garbage
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and....
this stuff is garbage
Tried it?
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Tried it?
no but all those pre workouts are like crack cocaine
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Im a graphic designer! I can make a nice logotype and shit in a bucket! When its dried u can take som of it and blend into water! Great stuff! I can also ask a stupid bodybuilder to stand beside my shit in a magazine add! Please buy my shit!
Drink coffee and eat some bisquit! Stupid! Coffee is a hell of a drug!
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From the sounds of things, Frenzy is without the N,alpha-diethylphenylethylamine, which is what made Craze users a lot more friendly. But Cahill's reputation precedes him now:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/13/sports-supplement-preworkout-frenzy/5430085/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/13/sports-supplement-preworkout-frenzy/5430085/)
I'd still like to try it.
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This is not sounding good at all.. the focus and concentration is what made craze good.
This is sounding like any other pwo out there with excessive caffein and agressive jittery energy.. sounds much like Enhanched which I am doing now. It is pretty shit to be honest, I get more energy from coffee.
I don't want to be aggressive when I enter the gym,, I want total focus and mind muscle connection and the right kind of contractions to take place.
Thinking of pouring the last 10 scoops of enhanched in the trash bin..
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I am more of a Level II Formutech person.....
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I mean don't get me wrong its still pretty good but its just not Craze, Craze was bit special!
No argument about the latter. I searched online and found a place that sold me 10 jars. Good thing I made all that money dumping my stock a year ago.
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so your one of those kids that drop the 60lbs dumbells on the floor like they are heavy, looking like a total fool? all spazzed out on your preworkout
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Once in a blue moon a good energy drink or supplement comes out that actually works .Then it will be taken of the shelf's immediately. soon after a shitty substitute comes out and everyone hopes it is as good and the company makes $$$$ . Same old shit. Remember the original Hydroxycut? That stuff was the best.
People actually died from it. That's how strong it was. lol. Everything else now is pure garbage. Don't waist your money .Have some coffee. It works
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I'm sensitive to stims more than a cup of coffee gives me the jitters. Is that what the pwos do?
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... so it's not like Craze.
I think we get it
you are amped up on something however
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Sounds like a stand up individual, cant wait to try his supplements ???
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In 2005, Cahill pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and introduction of a misbranded drug into commerce for mixing a highly toxic pesticide with baking powder, stuffing it in capsules and selling the product over the Internet for weight loss. He was sentenced to two years in federal prison.
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Sounds like a stand up individual, cant wait to try his supplements ???
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In 2005, Cahill pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud and introduction of a misbranded drug into commerce for mixing a highly toxic pesticide with baking powder, stuffing it in capsules and selling the product over the Internet for weight loss. He was sentenced to two years in federal prison.
It was DNP, he never hid that. It was when he was known as Sledgehammer and had the best UGL back then, and to this day in my opinion. He got in trouble because a girl used it (DNP) to kill herself. WW has a thread at the top of the AAS board regarding this. Cahill may not be the most ethical guy, but he has brought some awesome products to the masses. I've been with him since 2002 in his UGL days.
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I think I train pretty heavy for my weight 185lb right now.
Yeah I like training in aggressive mindset, I believe in it.
Some idea of the weights I was doing today:
220lb Barbell Rows (Yates Style)-10 -12 reps
T-Bar Rows ( 5 x 20kilo = 220lb Plates) 10-12
Single Arm Dumbbell Rows: 110lb's 10-12 reps
Weighted Chin Ups: 10-12 reps with 25lb
Lat Pulldown: Whole Stack for 10 reps (with spot)
....lots of drop down sets, forced reps, rest pause etc.
Pretty fucking brutal, I can't train at that intensity unless I really psyche myself up like i'm going to war.
No one come near me when I train, I ain't a fake grunter attention whore type, like if I am training like that you see whole fucking body shivering and if I am grunting its from the soul, I remind myself of a little young Rich Gaspari if I am totally honest with you. I don't stimulate I annihilate, maybe that's not a good thing but its the way I always trained.
post a vid of those lifts
im thinking your form might be a bit off bro
not hating but you dont look like you can get anywhere near those numbers
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post a vid of those lifts
im thinking your form might be a bit off bro
not hating but you dont look like you can get anywhere near those numbers
Hes a fucking idiot.
PS clear your inbox
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Right before working out.
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This ^, and if im really dragging ill get a hammerhead, coffee with a shot of espresso
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just went and ordered d-stunner instead
coffee is good yes but makes my stomach burn, dont like the taste when done too much and diuretics the hell out of me.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Driven-Sports-Frenzy-Orange-Cream-DS-/121314413339 what is this fiasco??