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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Simple Simon on March 30, 2014, 11:33:50 AM
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Anyone tried this for a period of time?
I tried to hit 6,000 a long time ago , I think I managed 2 days then had to cut back.
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I ate 2 of those Pizza Hut Bigfoot pizzas once.
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This guy eats 10,000 cals a day
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ask any obese fucker ::)
Most obese people dont eat anywhere near 10,000 cals.
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This guy claims he eats 10,000 cals a day
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fixed.
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What kind of food?
you could drink a bunch of 2 litre sodas and eat a few boxes of doughnuts ~
There's not enough time in a day to eat 10K worth of calories from Chicken Breast and Broccoli...
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I did around 5-6k during my perma-bulking days. Got big. Got fat. ;D
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What kind of food?
you could drink a bunch of 2 litre sodas and eat a few boxes of doughnuts ~
There's not enough time in a day to eat 10K worth of calories from Chicken Breast and Broccoli...
any kind of food, Im not talking about doing it for a day, I mean consistently over a period of time.
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Most obese people dont eat anywhere near 10,000 cals.
I disagree because I've known a few people that do.
Many years ago I watched of my friends (a compulsive eater) finish and entire large pizza by himself and a whole 1/2 gallon of ice cream for dessert. He mentioned that was a "small"meal and that he usually ate 3 meals a day. He was a manager at McDonalds in San Diego at the time. He ate Mickey D's all day long. He is 6'7" and 450lbs. After I moved back to the East coast I lost touch with him... he's probably dead now.
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Anyone tried this for a period of time?
I tried to hit 6,000 a long time ago , I think I managed 2 days then had to cut back.
I have.
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I have.
How very enlightening, thank you.
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over 3000kcl is stupidity if u dont do endurance sport and train 20-30houers/week. U burn jack shit in the gym. very grymrats are pretty much fat! Well, the ones withour steorids and gh...
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The most I ever ate was 4500 a day, and that was "clean" food. I was training 6x/wk then. I was strong as fuck but had to cut it back because I was starting to get fat.
10K per day eating junk food?... no problem.
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I remember a consistent meal of mine would be Biggie Sized Fries, Two Double Stacks, Chicken Sandwich and Large Frosty from Wendys. That was like a snack back then.
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The shitstorm you'd create, literally, within your little world would be epic and historic.
Get real.
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The most I ever ate was 4500 a day, and that was "clean" food. I was training 6x/wk then. I was strong as fuck but had to cut it back because I was starting to get fat.
10K per day eating junk food?... no problem.
People keep claiming that they COULD do it, not a lot claiming they HAVE done it for a long period of time.
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People keep claiming that they COULD do it, not a lot claiming they HAVE done it for a long period of time.
What do you mean by long period of time? If you are doing it consistently 1-7 days a week for months and months then you are doing it for a long period of time.
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ask any obese fucker ::)
Most obese people, strangely enough, don't eat that much at all. They drop their calories so low that their metabolism slows. Then they get tired of eating rabbit food. When they go back to their 'regular' eating habits, they're now burning fewer calories at rest. So, they can fatten up with 1500 calories or so, especially if it's loaded with fat and carbs they aren't burning.
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Each servings of russian bear 5000 weight gainer contains 5000 calories 391 grams of carbs and 184 grams of protein so just have two servings daily and you will hit your goal.
http://www.gnc.com/pwr/product-reviews/Other/VITAL-PRODUCTS/p/3744570-Vitol-Russian-Bear-5000-Ice-Cream-Chocolate.html
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Most obese people, strangely enough, don't eat that much at all. They drop their calories so low that their metabolism slows. Then they get tired of eating rabbit food. When they go back to their 'regular' eating habits, they're now burning fewer calories at rest. So, they can fatten up with 1500 calories or so, especially if it's loaded with fat and carbs they aren't burning.
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Come on now. Don`t be a moron.
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sure ::)
If you really want to laugh, ask him about Noah`s Ark.
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Yeah, hitting that once or twice is a lot different than doing it day in, day out for weeks on end.
I guess those people who weigh 600lbs and are bedridden might be eating that much
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sure ::)
Thats my experience as well, my sister in law eats fuck all hardly, and she is 40lbs overweight.
Problem is when she does eat its shitty carbs and junk, I dont think she ever depletes her carbs to the point she will burn fat, she just keeps them topped up.
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Yeah, hitting that once or twice is a lot different than doing it day in, day out for weeks on end.
I guess those people who weigh 600lbs and are bedridden might be eating that much
I always wonder how they afford all the food, but thats another thread entirely. ;D
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Most obese people, strangely enough, don't eat that much at all. They drop their calories so low that their metabolism slows. Then they get tired of eating rabbit food. When they go back to their 'regular' eating habits, they're now burning fewer calories at rest. So, they can fatten up with 1500 calories or so, especially if it's loaded with fat and carbs they aren't burning.
Ah yes, MCWAY.... the only person to yield steroid-like gains from force-feeding.
Curiously enough, this muscular beast is too shy to ever post a photo of his incredible physique
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sure ::)
Apparently, you aren't that good at math. It's a simple case of eating more calories than you burn. If all you need is 1500 to maintain your weight and you eat 1800 (without heavy training or exercising), you're going to put on bodyfat.
You act as if the average person is scarfing down 5000+ calories a day; chances are that's not the case.
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What do you mean by long period of time? If you are doing it consistently 1-7 days a week for months and months then you are doing it for a long period of time.
How many cals were you eating per day and for how long?
Remember it has to be everyday totals, not 10,000 one day 7,000 another.
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Ah yes, MCWAY.... the only person to yield steroid-like gains from force-feeding.
Curiously enough, this muscular beast is too shy to ever post a photo of his incredible physique
One, I never claimed to be getting any steroid-like gains. That would come from your big mouth, someone who can't skip rope without a syringe.
Two, the gains I said I've made at certain periods of time are hardly such that are limited to me.
Three, in case you missed basic biology, eating more calories than you burn is how you put on weight, pure and simple. How you train and what you eat determine how much of that extra weight is muscle vs. fat. It's a basic concept that's as old as time.
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You are either a troll or have absolutely no clue what a fatso eats and drinks on weekly basis.
Monster milkshakes, pancake frenzies, lasagnas by the kilogram etc etc
You can fool yourself but you can't fool me
USA overweight people
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 35.9% (2009-2010)
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight, including obesity: 69.2% (2009-2010)
Do you think all these people are eating 10,000 cals a day?
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You are either a troll or have absolutely no clue what a fatso eats and drinks on weekly basis.
Monster milkshakes, pancake frenzies, lasagnas by the kilogram etc etc
You can fool yourself but you can't fool me
Troll? Coming from the guy who got booted off the steroid forum for his incessant whining and buffoonery. That is too funny.
If you knew anything about what people need to eat (especially yourself), you wouldn't be spending yourself into poverty for drugs, just to get 16"-17" arms, only to return to Smurfville, once you go broke.
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they definitely aren't eating 2000-3000kcal ::)
Yes, most of them are likely eating around 4,000
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USA overweight people
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are obese: 35.9% (2009-2010)
Percent of adults age 20 years and over who are overweight, including obesity: 69.2% (2009-2010)
Do you think all these people are eating 10,000 cals a day?
Not even close.
Courtesy of Wikipedia:
From 1971 – 2000, the average daily number of calories which women consumed in the United States increased by 335 calories per day (1542 calories in 1971 and 1877 calories in 2000). For men, the average increase was 168 calories per day (2450 calories in 1971 and 2618 calories in 2000).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_and_obesity
The average American takes in 2,031 calories a day, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture's publication, "What We Eat in America." The average woman takes in 1,778 daily calories, while the average man takes in 2,512 calories per day. Men's caloric intake peaks during their 30s and 40s, when they consume about 2,730 calories a day. Women's caloric consumption is at its highest throughout their 20s, when they take in, on the average, close to 2,000 calories a day.
http://livehealthy.chron.com/average-american-diet-calorie-intake-2960.html
That's 2500-2600 calories per day. Heck, I couldn't even GAIN weight, in my younger years eating that amount of food.
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Yeah, hitting that once or twice is a lot different than doing it day in, day out for weeks on end.
I guess those people who weigh 600lbs and are bedridden might be eating that much
The fattest man in the UK apparently would consume daily around 29,000 calories.
He weighed around 700lbs.
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The fattest man in the UK apparently would consume daily around 29,000 calories.
He weighed around 700lbs.
Newspapers always tend to sensationalise these things.
How can they possibly afford that much food?
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One, I never claimed to be getting any steroid-like gains. That would come from your big mouth, someone who can't skip rope without a syringe.
Two, the gains I said I've made at certain periods of time are hardly such that are limited to me.
Three, in case you missed basic biology, eating more calories than you burn is how you put on weight, pure and simple. How you train and what you eat determine how much of that extra weight is muscle vs. fat. It's a basic concept that's as old as time.
Sure, eating more than you expend will lead to weight gain. It's your hormone levels that dictate how much muscle you can hold.
Why not post a picture to shut me up? Or is it because you're a shapeless permabulker and you know it?
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Gay4it approved thread
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Newspapers always tend to sensationalise these things.
How can they possibly afford that much food?
Are you telling me that "The Sun" is not a reliable source? :D
I see what you mean but we're talking about some of the fattest fuckers around on the planet. Pretty sure their diets would be ridiculous.
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I did eat around 7000 kcal on average for extended periods of time, like 6 months and every now and then I did hit 10k but I felt like shit eating that much food. Had problems breathing when I went to bed and was always tired. Oh yeah needless to say that it was not "clean" food at all that I was eating but I only eat clean for like 2-3 months a year usually and the rest of the time I just eat what I like while getting in enough protein - which is 1g / lb of bodyweight for me.
10.000 kcal per day on a daily basis would be pretty much impossible for me to do... nowadays I have between 3500 to 4500 kcal on average with the occasional binge day where I have more than 5000 kcal. When dieting I start with 3000 kcal per day and then go as low as 2200 but never lower than that... I can get very lean on 2500 kcal pretty easily. I do have a very fast metabolism and I lead a very active life though.
A lot of people overestimate their food intake and I don't think that most obese people get in anywhere close to 10.000 kcal / day although there are exceptions of course.
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Why has she got a plate?
She isnt going to eat all that dumbo.
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How many cals were you eating per day and for how long?
Remember it has to be everyday totals, not 10,000 one day 7,000 another.
I wasn`t doing it everyday for sure.
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I wasn`t doing it everyday for sure.
I knew you wasn't, thats why I called your bluff. ;)
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Most obese people, strangely enough, don't eat that much at all. They drop their calories so low that their metabolism slows. Then they get tired of eating rabbit food. When they go back to their 'regular' eating habits, they're now burning fewer calories at rest. So, they can fatten up with 1500 calories or so, especially if it's loaded with fat and carbs they aren't burning.
MAYBE in some people, lower metabolic rate or whatever accounts for some weight gain (as in a couple of pounds, MAYBE). However, nobody ever got obese eating 1500 calories a day. It defies the laws of the physics (namely "the conservation of energy law"). If you consume more energy than you expend, you store it as weight. Keep doing this consistently, day after day, year after year and you will become obese.
There is nothing more frustrating than an obese person who in public eats only healthy foods claiming they "cannot lose weight" or its their metabolism. You just know that at some point, in their own privacy, they are gorging themselves.
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MAYBE in some people, lower metabolic rate or whatever accounts for some weight gain (as in a couple of pounds, MAYBE). However, nobody ever got obese eating 1500 calories a day. It defies the laws of the physics (namely "the conservation of energy law"). If you consume more energy than you expend, you store it as weight. Keep doing this consistently, day after day, year after year and you will become obese.
There is nothing more frustrating than an obese person who in public eats only healthy foods claiming they "cannot lose weight" or its their metabolism. You just know that at some point, in their own privacy, they are gorging themselves.
You just contradicted yourself.
If someone sits about doing fuck all and eats 1500 cals a day when their BMR is 1200 they will get fat.
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I consumed roughly 6 000 - 7 000 calories a day for a period of time when I was competitively swimming twice a day, 7 days a week. I was also a growing teenager, with other school activities and was pretty much active all day. However a large majority of these calories came from sports carb drinks (easily 3 000 or more). I would pretty much break even in terms of weight gain or loss during that time.
To consume 10 000 calories from solid foods and soda each day you would literally have to sit and eat all day. Shit and eat all day.
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You just contradicted yourself.
If someone sits about doing fuck all and eats 1500 cals a day when their BMR is 1200 they will get fat.
How many people do you think have a BMR of 1200? Bearing in mind that the consumption of food and the creation of additional body mass (as occurs in obese people) increase the BMR. Like I said, barring some kind of rare metabolic disease, nobody gets obese eating 1500 calories per day.
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How many people do you think have a BMR of 1200? Bearing in mind that the consumption of food and the creation of additional body mass (as occurs in obese people) increase the BMR. Like I said, barring some kind of rare metabolic disease, nobody gets obese eating 1500 calories per day.
fat doesn't increase your BMR.
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Sure, eating more than you expend will lead to weight gain. It's your hormone levels that dictate how much muscle you can hold.
Why not post a picture to shut me up? Or is it because you're a shapeless permabulker and you know it?
Because that would require my actual caring about the foolishness, spewing from that mouth of yours.
I'm fully aware about hormone levels and their influence on how much muscle you can hold; nobody said anything to the contrary (That's why the the high-calorie diet I used was more effective for me, back in the day. I was in my early 20s then).
But, like most permaleaners, often perpetually small and weak, you're obsessed with hormones to the point of neurosis (hence your need for Winstrol before Zumba class starts).
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Because that would require my actual caring about the foolishness, spewing from that mouth of yours.
I'm fully aware about hormone levels and their influence on how much muscle you can hold; nobody said anything to the contrary (That's why the the high-calorie diet I used was more effective for me, back in the day. I was in my early 20s then).
But, like most permaleaners, often perpetually small and weak, you're obsessed with hormones to the point of neurosis (hence your need for Winstrol before Zumba class starts).
If you don't care, then why are you typing multiple responses to my posts?
We all know you're fat, it's no mystery why you're not posting a picture
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anyway…..
Has anyone managed to eat 10,000 cals every day for a long period of time, say 6 months?
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fat doesn't increase your BMR.
Actually it does. Adipose tissue by itself is not metabolically active but it has numerous interactions with other tissues which do stimulate the metabolic rate. Blood flow for example. Fat tissue is living tissue requiring oxygen and blood flow. They heavier and fatter a person, the greater volume of blood within the circulatory system. Osmoregulation of fluid levels in adipose tissue is another example. Activities like breathing, walking, standing become more metabolically expensive when carrying extra body fat.
Not to mention the fact that when somebody ingests more calories than they burn, lean body mass also increases significantly, EVEN IN NON-TRAINING INDIVIDUALS.
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they always claimed the barbarian brothers did
if you eat that mush you would spen your life on the shitter
fat people eat crap food and underestimate what they eat by about 1000 cals a day
you should watch secret eaters on tv every enlightening
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they always claimed the barbarian brothers did
if you eat that mush you would spen your life on the shitter
fat people eat crap food and underestimate what they eat by about 1000 cals a day
you should watch secret eaters on tv every enlightening
I take those shows with a pinch of salt, they only show the people who secret eat, they wouldn't have much of a show if the people they chose didn't cheat. ;D
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I ate 5500-6500 kcal a day, for months on end.
Pretty painful.
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If you don't care, then why are you typing multiple responses to my posts?
We all know you're fat, it's no mystery why you're not posting a picture
The "that would require my actual caring about the foolishness, spewing from that mouth of yours" statement was specifically to your spiel about shutting you up. I don't need to shut you up nor do I care, if you flap your beak all the live-long day.
The presence or absence of my picture changes nothing, in terms of the topic at hand. Perhaps you should worry about your own physique and why you need Deca just to bench your own bodyweight more than 3 times.
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I take those shows with a pinch of salt, they only show the people who secret eat, they wouldn't have much of a show if the people they chose didn't cheat. ;D
they wouldnt be fat in the first place
i just find it funny
they do a food diary of what they think they eat
then they film them stuffing their faces in gregs
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Actually it does. Adipose tissue by itself is not metabolically active but it has numerous interactions with other tissues which do stimulate the metabolic rate. Blood flow for example. Fat tissue is living tissue requiring oxygen and blood flow. They heavier and fatter a person, the greater volume of blood within the circulatory system. Osmoregulation of fluid levels in adipose tissue is another example. Activities like breathing, walking, standing become more metabolically expensive when carrying extra body fat.
Not to mention the fact that when somebody ingests more calories than they burn, lean body mass also increases significantly, EVEN IN NON-TRAINING INDIVIDUALS.
I disagree with the bolded.
It will be insignificantly.
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oh and well done simon for not falling for the adonis i eat 10000 calories every day troll attempt 8)
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oh and well done simon for not falling for the adonis i eat 10000 calories every day troll attempt 8)
Im onto his bullshit now, he wont get away with much from now on. ;)
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Im onto his bullshit now, he wont get away with much from now on. ;)
the only way i could see getting close would be eating rich ice cream
thats what stallone did for copland
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the only way i could see getting close would be eating rich ice cream
thats what stallone did for copland
Reason I started the thread was that in another someone quoted Mike Francois eating 10,000 cals a day for 2 years straight.
My theory is that your body simply cant deal with that amount of food consistently before you have to simply stop eating because your body cant get rid of it.
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I disagree with the bolded.
It will be insignificantly.
;D Well granted, insignificant lean tissue growth in the eyes of a GetBigger!
But seriously in terms of medical studies and the like, definite (and statistically significant) lean tissue growth occurs with overfeeding (this lean tissue growth would not necessarily be muscle but often tissue associated with the gut, digestive and circulatory system).
But even still, muscle tissue does grow in overfeeding scenarios even without a training stimulus which is very interesting and tells you a lot about just how anabolic a calorie is.
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The "that would require my actual caring about the foolishness, spewing from that mouth of yours" statement was specifically to your spiel about shutting you up. I don't need to shut you up nor do I care, if you flap your beak all the live-long day.
The presence or absence of my picture changes nothing, in terms of the topic at hand. Perhaps you should worry about your own physique and why you need Deca just to bench your own bodyweight more than 3 times.
So that's a "no" on the photo? Didn't think so fatso ;D
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;D Well granted, insignificant lean tissue growth in the eyes of a GetBigger!
But seriously in terms of medical studies and the like, definite (and statistically significant) lean tissue growth occurs with overfeeding (this lean tissue growth would not necessarily be muscle but often tissue associated with the gut, digestive and circulatory system).
But even still, muscle tissue does grow in overfeeding scenarios even without a training stimulus which is very interesting and tells you a lot about just how anabolic a calorie is.
TBH I eat on average of 3000 cals a day, some days more, some days less of course.
Some days I dont even eat 1400.
Yet I can maintain a bodyweight of 225 at around 9 or 10% BF
If I ate 4000 cals a day consistently for a month I would be a fat fuck.
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Reason I started the thread was that in another someone quoted Mike Francois eating 10,000 cals a day for 2 years straight.
My theory is that your body simply cant deal with that amount of food consistently before you have to simply stop eating because your body cant get rid of it.
Was it Victor Richards who claimed he ate 30,000 calories every day?! Gary Strydom was also said to eaten well over 10,000 calories a day.
Your right though, I've wondered as well about just how the body would digest that amount of food and make room for more calories. A lot of it must be liquid nutrition like weight gainers. I know Michael Phelps drank several thousands worth of calories in sports drinks when training and I too did something similar (though not as drastic) years ago when I was swimming. I reckon I was taking in maybe 6 000 calories some days, but a lot of it was liquid carbs that really require no digestion.
I wonder if a boatload of drugs, specifically GH and Insulin, play a role in digesting so much food?
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Eat like a bird look like a bird.
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I need 4,500-5,000 to gain past 230...Rough on clean low fat / high carb...Very easy on fast food lol..
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So that's a "no" on the photo? Didn't think so fatso ;D
Don't need a photo to refute your silliness, especially when it's not germane to the topic, Twiggy!! ;D
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The trainer mass shake
2 cups of oatmeal 316 calories
2 tablespoon of olive oil 1768 calories
2 scoops of whey protein 240 calories
1 banana 89 calories
1 whole egg 52 calories
2 table spoon of honey 128 calories
put in blender and mix then drink it down for a whopping 2,593 calories drink it twice a day you will get an extra 5186 calories.
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anyway…..
Has anyone managed to eat 10,000 cals every day for a long period of time, say 6 months?
My training partner years ago was up to 8000 calories daily for at least 4 months. The farts and shitting in the pants from the weight gainer he was drinking got too much and i couldnt train with him anymore. He shit himself squatting and deadlifting on two occasions and i called it a day. Greg Kovacs claimed 10k daily but he was a monster. I think anything near 10 for any prolonged period of time leads to permafatso creation. I was personally up to 5000 with weight gainers years ago before i wised up and realized permabulkers ie fat fucking slobs are not attractive to anyone except degenerate faggets who love fat hairy assholes. Where is Gal we need his thoughts on this.
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Reason I started the thread was that in another someone quoted Mike Francois eating 10,000 cals a day for 2 years straight.
My theory is that your body simply cant deal with that amount of food consistently before you have to simply stop eating because your body cant get rid of it.
That someone would be yours truly.
People's bodies can deal with different things, based on a number of factors. The bigger bodybuilders often got that size by downing groceries by the truckload.
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The trainer mass shake
2 cups of oatmeal 316 calories
2 tablespoon of olive oil 1768 calories
2 scoops of whey protein 240 calories
1 banana 89 calories
1 whole egg 52 calories
2 table spoon of honey 128 calories
put in blender and mix then drink it down for a whopping 2,593 calories drink it twice a day you will get an extra 5186 calories.
what kind of olive oil has 1768 cals in 2 tablespoon
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That someone would be yours truly.
People's bodies can deal with different things, based on a number of factors. The bigger bodybuilders often got that size by downing groceries by the truckload.
But not 10,000 cals a day………………..in my opinion.
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what kind of olive oil has 1768 cals in 2 tablespoon
Olive oil on steronz. ;D
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what kind of olive oil has 1768 cals in 2 tablespoon
my bad it should be 100 grams of olive oil which is about 7 and a half tablespoon.
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But not 10,000 cals a day………………..in my opinion.
Most don't go that high. Francois was one of the few that did.
Most are around the 4000-5000 mark, which is where Francois reportedly dropped his calories, once he obtained the supersize he needed.
You may remember a guy named John Parillo. He was the one who popuarlized those kind of mass-gaining diet. He's creditied with predicting that bodybuilders would one day compete at over 300 lbs, by eating such massive amounts of food, super-intense training, and some anabolic assistance.
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Most don't go that high. Francois was one of the few that did.
Most are around the 4000-5000 mark, which is where Francois reportedly dropped his calories, once he obtained the supersize he needed.
You may remember a guy named John Parillo. He was the one who popuarlized those kind of mass-gaining diet. He's creditied with predicting that bodybuilders would one day compete at over 300 lbs, by eating such massive amounts of food, super-intense training, and some anabolic assistance.
And you know that for a fact how?
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Anyone who eats 10,000 calories a day consistently is going to an absolute fat ass.
Zack Khan (one of the biggest BB's around), I recall once said that the 7-10,000 calorie a day diets peddled by some other BB's are total horseshit and that even during bulking, he rarely went beyond 5,000 calories.
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And you know that for a fact how?
I find it plausible, based on my own experience. There's a big difference between how I eat now and how I ate in my early 20s. I don't need to eat 4000-5000 calories to get bigger, anymore. My caloric intake is about half of that now.
So, it's hardly a stretch to see someone like Francois, needing superhigh calories for a couple of years to gain size and strength, only to scale back once the mass is obtained.
And a number of other of our Getbig brethren (past and present) have gone through similar routes.
Believe me! If I could have broken 200 lbs back then by eating just 2000-2500 calories a day, I would have done it. I needed to eat more (and by "eat" I simply mean consume, as I drank a lot of my calories and protein); I did and I got the result I wanted.
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Anyone who eats 10,000 calories a day consistently is going to an absolute fat ass.
Zack Khan (one of the biggest BB's around), I recall once said that the 7-10,000 calorie a day diets peddled by some other BB's are total horseshit and that even during bulking, he rarely went beyond 5,000 calories.
That's Zack Khan. Your mileage (and those of other bodybuilders) may vary.
People who don't want to eat a lot of food are going to search for every bodybuilder they can find, who says they didn't need to eat much to grow.
That's no different than those who hate cardio, citing guys like Dexter Jackson (in his younger years) who can get ripped minus the treadmill and StairMaster.
If you can put on major size on modest calories, that's good on you. But, if you can't, citing guys like Khan is basically WORTHLESS.
I discovered in my younger years that I had to go high on calories to get my bodyweight where I wanted. The fact that other guys were bigger than I was, eating less than what I needed, had no more to do with me than the price of tea in China.
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That's Zack Khan. Your mileage (and those of other bodybuilders) may vary.
People who don't want to eat a lot of food are going to search for every bodybuilder they can find, who says they didn't need to eat much to grow.
That's no different than those who hate cardio, citing guys like Dexter Jackson (in his younger years) who can get ripped minus the treadmill and StairMaster.
If you can put on major size on modest calories, that's good on you. But, if you can't, citing guys like Khan is basically WORTHLESS.
I discovered in my younger years that I had to go high on calories to get my bodyweight where I wanted. The fact that other guys were bigger than I was, eating less than what I needed, had no more to do with me than the price of tea in China.
It may vary but I doubt it would vary to the point where you've got some BB's who consume twice the amount of calories to one of the biggest around.
Like I said, 10k calories = obesity.
So, it's hardly a stretch to see someone like Francois, needing superhigh calories for a couple of years to gain size and strength, only to scale back once the mass is obtained
If we are to believe him, wouldn't he then have lost this mass once he dropped the calories?
Believe me! If I could have broken 200 lbs back then by eating just 2000-2500 calories a day, I would have done it. I needed to eat more (and by "eat" I simply mean consume, as I drank a lot of my calories and protein); I did and I got the result I wanted.
Was the extra weight you gained lean muscle or just fat?
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It may vary but I doubt it would vary to the point where you've got some BB's who consume twice the amount of calories to one of the biggest around.
Like I said, 10k calories = obesity.
If we are to believe him, wouldn't he then have lost this mass once he dropped the calories?
Not necessarily. It's not uncommon for people to be able to maintain weight, once they get bigger. As I said with myself, I can keep my bodyweight stable, eating far less now than I did years ago. It took higher calories (4000-5000) just to break 200 lbs.
Francois, in his prime, wasn't exactly a shrimp. Again, that's like claiming people don't need cardio, because Dexter Jackson didn't need cardio during his heyday. I don't doubt Khan can gain/keep his size on modest calories; some guys are like that. Heck, I wish I could have increased in size, eating what I eat now.
The point, of course, is to gradually increase the calories until you start gaining weight. 10,000 is a high mark.
Was the extra weight you gained lean muscle or just fat?
Both. I'd say about 60-40 to 65-35, muscle-to-fat, respectively. It's not as if I broke out the calipers, after that semester. But, based on my strength increases and complements from friends and family, I'd say I got it right for the most part.
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:D
Come on now. Don`t be a moron.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obese-starving-girl-12-denied-weight-loss-surgery-rare-illness-f2D11803240
"In Alexis’ case, the result was an immediate, unceasing weight gain even with a diet restricted to 900 to 1,400 calories a day — and with extra exercise, said Jenny Shapiro. At the same time, Alexis developed a ravenous appetite".
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My training partner years ago was up to 8000 calories daily for at least 4 months. The farts and shitting in the pants from the weight gainer he was drinking got too much and i couldnt train with him anymore. He shit himself squatting and deadlifting on two occasions and i called it a day. Greg Kovacs claimed 10k daily but he was a monster. I think anything near 10 for any prolonged period of time leads to permafatso creation. I was personally up to 5000 with weight gainers years ago before i wised up and realized permabulkers ie fat fucking slobs are not attractive to anyone except degenerate faggets who love fat hairy assholes. Where is Gal we need his thoughts on this.
The shitting in the pants I could probably deal with and work through but once the farts started acting up I believe I would have to tone it down a bit.
Where is Gal we need his thoughts on this.
Shoulder surgery in Dubai
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Not necessarily. It's not uncommon for people to be able to maintain weight, once they get bigger. As I said with myself, I can keep my bodyweight stable, eating far less now than I did years ago. It took higher calories (4000-5000) just to break 200 lbs.
This may just be an age factor though. Pretty sure metabolism slows down as you age.
However, if someone needs 10,000 calories to reach a certain weight, they'll also need the same amount of calories to maintain it, otherwise their weight will go down as the calories do.
Francois, in his prime, wasn't exactly a shrimp. Again, that's like claiming people don't need cardio, because Dexter Jackson didn't need cardio during his heyday. I don't doubt Khan can gain/keep his size on modest calories; some guys are like that. Heck, I wish I could have increased in size, eating what I eat now.
The point, of course, is to gradually increase the calories until you start gaining weight. 10,000 is a high mark.
The issue is believing what BB's say. They tend to peddle plenty of BS, whether in regards to their diet, drugs or strength.
The extra size Francois gained, was most likely down to him "upping the dose" instead of "upping the calories". Of course, he's going to peddle the latter, rather than admit to the former. :D
Both. I'd say about 60-40 to 65-35, muscle-to-fat, respectively. It's not as if I broke out the calipers, after that semester. But, based on my strength increases and complements from friends and family, I'd say I got it right for the most part.
Using complements from family/friends isn't really an accurate measure to assuming how much muscle you put on. Heck, I got plenty of complements from my family/friends when I was at my biggest/fattest mainly because I was able to fill out XXL shirts and look physically imposing. Of course, they ignored my protruding gut and just noticed my big, bloofy arms and chest. :D
Getting down to sub 10% body fat is the only real way you can see how much lean muscle you have on your frame. Anything else is mere guess work. When I added cardio with lower calories, I got reasonably lean and was shocked on how light I became.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obese-starving-girl-12-denied-weight-loss-surgery-rare-illness-f2D11803240
"In Alexis’ case, the result was an immediate, unceasing weight gain even with a diet restricted to 900 to 1,400 calories a day — and with extra exercise, said Jenny Shapiro. At the same time, Alexis developed a ravenous appetite".
"a rare kind of benign brain tumor that grows near the pituitary gland and affects at most 1 child per every million each year."
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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/obese-starving-girl-12-denied-weight-loss-surgery-rare-illness-f2D11803240
"In Alexis’ case, the result was an immediate, unceasing weight gain even with a diet restricted to 900 to 1,400 calories a day — and with extra exercise, said Jenny Shapiro. At the same time, Alexis developed a ravenous appetite".
Also, the 900-1400 calories wasn`t the issue. That was working. Its the fact that she kept raiding the cupboard. 900-1400 worked fine, its her ravenous appetite that did her in.
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Also, the 900-1400 calories wasn`t the issue. That was working. Its the fact that she kept raiding the cupboard. 900-1400 worked fine, its her ravenous appetite that did her in.
Wrong it clearly states in the article that she was gaining weight on 900K per day when put on a diet. So regardless of the rarity it is possible.
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At my biggest (420 plus) I was consuming 10,000 to 12,000 cals a day. In 2006 when I started my cut it started at 6000 cals a day.
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This may just be an age factor though. Pretty sure metabolism slows down as you age.
However, if someone needs 10,000 calories to reach a certain weight, they'll also need the same amount of calories to maintain it, otherwise their weight will go down as the calories do.
Strange as it sounds (and I didn't believe it, until it happened to me), it's quite possible to maintain a certain weight with lower calories, once you reach that point by going high calories.
The issue is believing what BB's say. They tend to peddle plenty of BS, whether in regards to their diet, drugs or strength.
The extra size Francois gained, was most likely down to him "upping the dose" instead of "upping the calories". Of course, he's going to peddle the latter, rather than admit to the former. :D
If all it took were his "upping the dose", he would have reached his monstrous size far sooner than he did. Steroids or no steroids, you still have to pack away the food the grow. To dismiss his dietary changes by saying he took more drugs flies in the face of common sense. You've seen what Ronnie packs away; his WHOLE PLATE is covered in chicken, not just a breast or two.
I don't know of a single big man who didn't inhale calories like a Oreck vaccuum. And, at the end of the day, you took some bodybuilder's advice, kept what worked, ditched what didn't, and pressed onward.
It's no different than those who swear by Mentzer's training methods, while others believe Mentzer's routines are as worthless as confederate cash.
Using complements from family/friends isn't really an accurate measure to assuming how much muscle you put on. Heck, I got plenty of complements from my family/friends when I was at my biggest/fattest mainly because I was able to fill out XXL shirts and look physically imposing. Of course, they ignored my protruding gut and just noticed my big, bloofy arms and chest. :D
Getting down to sub 10% body fat is the only real way you can see how much lean muscle you have on your frame. Anything else is mere guess work. When I added cardio with lower calories, I got reasonably lean and was shocked on how light I became.
I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Unless you're competing or doing a photo shoot, there's no need to go sub-10 percent. I didn't just use compliments from my family and friends (Granted, they hadn't seen me in months). Repping with weights that I couldn't even budge was another indicator.
Heck, when I got home, the first thing that went flying out of some of their mouths is whether I WAS USING STEROIDS. I'm thinking to myself, "Are you kidding? I can barely afford Mega Mass and this cheap GNC Challenge protein powder! Where the HECK am I going to get steroids?
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Most obese people, strangely enough, don't eat that much at all. They drop their calories so low that their metabolism slows. Then they get tired of eating rabbit food. When they go back to their 'regular' eating habits, they're now burning fewer calories at rest. So, they can fatten up with 1500 calories or so, especially if it's loaded with fat and carbs they aren't burning.
I don't mean to be rude but none of this is accurate at all.
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any kind of food, Im not talking about doing it for a day, I mean consistently over a period of time.
i did it.
over a decade ago- to win bets.
i put on 66 pounds in 66 days. i was previously my heaviest about 270. i got to 312.
it was over a decade ago but i remember everything i ate every day- trust me you dont forget when thats all you do.
4 liters chocolate milke a day
2 lbs boneless skinless breast
1 lb red meat
6 small yogurt
6 bananas
2 pita shells
1/3lb cheese
1 box kraft dinner.
i didnt eat ice cream or other junk cals. once a week we'd go for all you can eat fajitas. i was pretty dedicated back then. i had the winter off and thats all i did was train and eat. living the dream. i was spending $35 a week on milk alone.
oh ya- i got plenty fat.
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lemme see if i can find a pic.
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I don't mean to be rude but none of this is accurate at all.
Disagreeing is hardly being rude. But, considering that we have an obesity problem in America, despite caloric intake being an average of 2000 calories per day, I'll stand by my initial statement.
Some folks here are acting as if the majority of obese people are inhaling everything that isn't nailed down. Many of us have friends/family with weight problems and you know they don't eat nearly as much as you do.
That's why you'll often hear that men shouldn't drop below 1500 calories, when trying to lose weight (for women it's around 1200). Otherwise, the aforementioned scenario of a slowing metabolism occurs.
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Wrong it clearly states in the article that she was gaining weight on 900K per day when put on a diet. So regardless of the rarity it is possible.
It doesn`t. It says they put her on the diet and then she proceeded to raid the cupboards, thus gaining the weight and therefore they had to pad lock it.
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i did it.
over a decade ago- to win bets.
i put on 66 pounds in 66 days. i was previously my heaviest about 270. i got to 312.
it was over a decade ago but i remember everything i ate every day- trust me you dont forget when thats all you do.
4 liters chocolate milke a day
2 lbs boneless skinless breast
1 lb red meat
6 small yogurt
6 bananas
2 pita shells
1/3lb cheese
1 box kraft dinner.
i didnt eat ice cream or other junk cals. once a week we'd go for all you can eat fajitas. i was pretty dedicated back then. i had the winter off and thats all i did was train and eat. living the dream. i was spending $35 a week on milk alone.
oh ya- i got plenty fat.
Epic turds of peace.
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Epic turds of peace.
epic sweat all the time of peace, epic put feet on coffee table to put socks on of peace, epic walk up a flight of stairs and be winded of peace. looking back it was epically dumb.
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The trainer mass shake
2 cups of oatmeal 316 calories
2 tablespoon of olive oil 1768 calories
2 scoops of whey protein 240 calories
1 banana 89 calories
1 whole egg 52 calories
2 table spoon of honey 128 calories
put in blender and mix then drink it down for a whopping 2,593 calories drink it twice a day you will get an extra 5186 calories.
2 tbsp of olive oil is about 240 calories.
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I could tuck that much food away in a day no problem. Would regularly eat 20" pizzas in one go after having 15 pints of beer at one stage. And that's after a day of regular permabulker eating. 1 pint = 200 cals approx so 3000 cals from beer and easy 3500 from pizza (prob more given smoky bacon and "chicken" toppings).
Given I took a lot of E at the time I'd often go 1 or 2 days a week without any food so it evened out to a normal permabulk.
Ate at an Indian restaurant last night, had to be 3000 cals min. Giant portions, fatty lamb and duck, lots of sauces, choc cake and couple of bottles of wine.
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2 tbsp of olive oil is about 240 calories.
He's a bit dumb.
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Scot is like 330 with abs...Claims 12,000 cals a day
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pxuqWTYw2XM/Tr7dY095lJI/AAAAAAAAHE8/2haMQH85FVU/s1600/scot-mendelson-bench-press.bmp)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1703705300/mendy_6_pack.jpg)
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My buddy is good friends with eric lilliebridge top 3 powerlifters in the world. i know eric eats like 8k regularly more before meets. I have seen what he gets at the grocery. and its like steak pepsi chescake little debbie cakes oreo ice cream frozen pizza. pack of oreos. he also said that he carries around a bag of sugar and dumps sugar on toop of a lot of shit. like cheesecake and ice cream just to get in more calories.
I seriously doubt anybody is eating any cleaner in the portions scott mendelson was talking.
he said gallons of gatorade 5 pounds red meat, 40 egg whites, tons of pasta lots of weight gainers. the key is most of these guys are taking ina boatload of liquid calories whether is mass gainers egg whites or like eric just drinking a 2 litre of pepsi. Like a lot of those bedridden girls yea they eat a bucket of chicken and mac and cheese and a quart of kool aid lol
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My buddy is good friends with eric lilliebridge top 3 powerlifters in the world. i know eric eats like 8k regularly more before meets. I have seen what he gets at the grocery. and its like steak pepsi chescake little debbie cakes oreo ice cream frozen pizza. pack of oreos. he also said that he carries around a bag of sugar and dumps sugar on toop of a lot of shit. like cheesecake and ice cream just to get in more calories.
I seriously doubt anybody is eating any cleaner in the portions scott mendelson was talking.
he said gallons of gatorade 5 pounds red meat, 40 egg whites, tons of pasta lots of weight gainers. the key is most of these guys are taking ina boatload of liquid calories whether is mass gainers egg whites or like eric just drinking a 2 litre of pepsi. Like a lot of those bedridden girls yea they eat a bucket of chicken and mac and cheese and a quart of kool aid lol
i know it is what it is,,competitive nature,chuck all the rules regarding health,but this can't be good for digestive health.
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Thats my experience as well, my sister in law eats fuck all hardly, and she is 40lbs overweight.
Problem is when she does eat its shitty carbs and junk, I dont think she ever depletes her carbs to the point she will burn fat, she just keeps them topped up.
Does she eat out? Like at work?
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over 3000kcl is stupidity if u dont do endurance sport and train 20-30houers/week. U burn jack shit in the gym. very grymrats are pretty much fat! Well, the ones withour steorids and gh...
lol wut. I would lose at least a lb or 2 a week at 3000 kcal and I do jack shit all day besides 4 workouts per week of 90 min volume lifting. never been above 12% bf in my life.
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I was 242lbs here. I was tracking my food intake between 5000-5500k per day on any given day. Mendleson easily takes in 10-12k.
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I was 242lbs here. I was tracking my food intake between 5000-5500k per day on any given day. Mendleson easily takes in 10-12k.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN1456-1.jpg)
Holy shit your waist must have measured 50"
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i know it is what it is,,competitive nature,chuck all the rules regarding health,but this can't be good for digestive health.
no fucking way it is. neither is the amount of drugs these guys are on. 7 grams of gear with like 300 mg of tbol and 150 var and 50 superdrol ridiculous stuff like that to try and hit prs. literally stacking everything under the sun. Alot of the things elite powerlifters and bodybuilders do are healthy except making working out. from diets to drug use stims etc. talking to my friend kinda astonishes me because it doesnt seem to phase them as being dangerous. sure its competitive nature but it doesnt seem to have a limit ya know??
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no fucking way it is. neither is the amount of drugs these guys are on. 7 grams of gear with like 300 mg of tbol and 150 var and 50 superdrol ridiculous stuff like that to try and hit prs. literally stacking everything under the sun. Alot of the things elite powerlifters and bodybuilders do are healthy except making working out. from diets to drug use stims etc. talking to my friend kinda astonishes me because it doesnt seem to phase them as being dangerous. sure its competitive nature but it doesnt seem to have a limit ya know??
And then suddenly seemingly out of nowhere, there comes a warning sign. A scare. Something that stops you in your tracks. Something you didn't plan on.
You realize..."Hey, I'm not in control here"
Maybe you live another day...
Maybe you don't ~
Can you put your money on it?
Who has a clue what is going to happen one minute from now?
Why are hospitals full? Why do I hear an ambulance? Did someone wake up today and say "O.K. today is the day I'm going to die?"
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This guy eats 10,000 cals a day
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/jeff-lewis.jpg)
(http://pullharder.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/day2-136.jpg)
Why is the top of his head like a road map?
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my friend just texted me in regards to scott mendelson.. saying he has been known to take 500 mg anadrol and 500 mg dbol per day with 2 grams tren and 10-12 grams of other shit a week. goes to show how messed up this sport is. life for him must consist of pinning, shitting , drink 40 eggs , shit, swallow a pound of pills, go shitt, eat a few pounds of beef and go shit. maybe lift some shit. go take a shit.
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no fucking way it is. neither is the amount of drugs these guys are on. 7 grams of gear with like 300 mg of tbol and 150 var and 50 superdrol ridiculous stuff like that to try and hit prs. literally stacking everything under the sun. Alot of the things elite powerlifters and bodybuilders do are healthy except making working out. from diets to drug use stims etc. talking to my friend kinda astonishes me because it doesnt seem to phase them as being dangerous. sure its competitive nature but it doesnt seem to have a limit ya know??
I'm 99% positive your "friend" is Chris Hickson...Kinda stupid that he takes 7 grams of gear to mile high squat 700, and bench <350. I think if he spent less money on drugs maybe he could afford to get to his owns meets without begging on facebook?
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I remember when hickson was just a fat kid on bb.com, struggling to squat 455.. amazing how a mild cycle of 7 grams of aas will turn things around.
Lots of comfort slacks and bulking pants in this thread.
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Does she eat out? Like at work?
Eats a sandwich at work, nothing else.
She makes an evening meal for her son and husband then eats cheese on toast and doesnt eat the healthy meals because she says she doesnt want to eat too much. ::)
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I was 242lbs here. I was tracking my food intake between 5000-5500k per day on any given day. Mendleson easily takes in 10-12k.
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e196/Intenseone/DSCN1456-1.jpg)
That's what I hate about GB: seeing fuckers who can eat. I'm that weight (though fatter), and I need to maintain at 1800 kcal. Anything higher than 1500 does not cause fat loss. And that is lifting 4x per week, and doing at least 2 hours of walking every day. Fuck my metabolism, fuck two years of severe calorie restriction. >:(
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Interesting thread, I physically couldnt eat anything close to 10,000calories a day
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Disagreeing is hardly being rude. But, considering that we have an obesity problem in America, despite caloric intake being an average of 2000 calories per day, I'll stand by my initial statement.
No, its actually closer to 4,000 per day (I think it's around 3,700). Not to mention that a large proportion of those calories come from high sugar, high fat, highly processed food sources. Couple this to the lack of exercise and sedentary lifestyles and that's where your obesity crisis comes from.
The idea that rare metabolic diseases are to blame for the growing obesity epidemic is preposterous. Sure, hypothyroidism and its related syndromes can lead to weight gain in individuals despite them not consuming vast numbers of calories. However in these people being a couple of pounds overweight may be the result; being obese is not. Plus, most cases of hypothyroidism can be treated with medication and simple dietary and lifestyle alterations.
The simple fact is that no human body (perhaps barring the rarest of diseases and I only include this as a disclaimer) is capable of generating vast quantities of fat mass, new living tissue, to point of reaching obesity (i.e. over 25% bodyfat in men, 30% in women) without overconsumption of calories. It is as simple as that.
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No, its actually closer to 4,000 per day (I think it's around 3,700). Not to mention that a large proportion of those calories come from high sugar, high fat, highly processed food sources. Couple this to the lack of exercise and sedentary lifestyles and that's where your obesity crisis comes from.
The idea that rare metabolic diseases are to blame for the growing obesity epidemic is preposterous. Sure, hypothyroidism and its related syndromes can lead to weight gain in individuals despite them not consuming vast numbers of calories. However in these people being a couple of pounds overweight may be the result; being obese is not. Plus, most cases of hypothyroidism can be treated with medication and simple dietary and lifestyle alterations.
The simple fact is that no human body (perhaps barring the rarest of diseases and I only include this as a disclaimer) is capable of generating vast quantities of fat mass, new living tissue, to point of reaching obesity (i.e. over 25% bodyfat in men, 30% in women) without overconsumption of calories. It is as simple as that.
EXACTLY!
Overconsumption is simply eating more than you burn. If your metabolism is slowed, due to age and/or inactivity and/or overdieting, it won't take much for you to over consume and get fat, especially when you ingest the aforementioned high-sugar and high-fat foods.
As for average caloric intake, I posted the links that give the numbers I used. If you have some claiming average intake of 4000 vs. 2000 calories, please post them to show a contrast. Even if you eat just 2000 calories a day, if you only need 1500 without exercise/training, your body fat goes up dramatically.
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EXACTLY!
Overconsumption is simply eating more than you burn. If your metabolism is slowed, due to age and/or inactivity and/or overdieting, it won't take much for you to over consume and get fat, especially when you ingest the aforementioned high-sugar and high-fat foods.
As for average caloric intake, I posted the links that give the numbers I used. If you have some claiming average intake of 4000 vs. 2000 calories, please post them to show a contrast. Even if you eat just 2000 calories a day, if you only need 1500 without exercise/training, your body fat goes up dramatically.
The problem with the data that you showed is that firstly it is the average energy intake. So if we take the whole population, including people of normal weight and those underweight we will get a normal distribution bell curve, with 2,000 kcal somewhere near the middle. Obese people will fall toward the right of that curve, higher than 2,000. The second issue with using a survey of energy intake (as was used in the results you linked to) is that self-reporting of food intake by members of the public are notoriously conservative. People are much more likely to under-record what they have eaten. It is very common to underestimate portion sizes, forget about small snacks etc. Plus (and this may sound somewhat insensitive but it is not meant to offend), overweight people will often entirely avoid reporting consumption of "unhealthy" food, especially if weight and body image are a concern. Plus, the data you have shown estimated calorie intake for men at 2,618 in 2000 (it has risen even more in the last 14 years). Given that this is the average calorie intake, for obese people it would probably be higher. Add to that the underestimation in the subjects food recall and one would easily end up over 3,000 calories for men.
Another method used is to measure energy availability to the average adult. Granted, this will perhaps overestimate total energy intake but it avoids the bias of self-reporting. This is the method commonly used in many food consumption surveys including this one by the FAO:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac911e/ac911e05.htm
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I am pretty sure many bodybuilders cannot count calories acurately.
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The problem with the data that you showed is that firstly it is the average energy intake. So if we take the whole population, including people of normal weight and those underweight we will get a normal distribution bell curve, with 2,000 kcal somewhere near the middle. Obese people will fall toward the right of that curve, higher than 2,000. The second issue with using a survey of energy intake (as was used in the results you linked to) is that self-reporting of food intake by members of the public are notoriously conservative. People are much more likely to under-record what they have eaten. It is very common to underestimate portion sizes, forget about small snacks etc. Plus (and this may sound somewhat insensitive but it is not meant to offend), overweight people will often entirely avoid reporting consumption of "unhealthy" food, especially if weight and body image are a concern. Plus, the data you have shown estimated calorie intake for men at 2,618 in 2000 (it has risen even more in the last 14 years). Given that this is the average calorie intake, for obese people it would probably be higher. Add to that the underestimation in the subjects food recall and one would easily end up over 3,000 calories for men.
Another method used is to measure energy availability to the average adult. Granted, this will perhaps overestimate total energy intake but it avoids the bias of self-reporting. This is the method commonly used in many food consumption surveys including this one by the FAO:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac911e/ac911e05.htm
(http://thebritishgeographer.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/8/1/11812015/7508317_orig.png?522)
With overweight and obese being a majority of the US population, one would think that this argument would hold up only partially at best?
Energy availability is indeed dangerous, especially with food waste numbers already very high and climbing. Are those calories counted as available or not?
Don't get me wrong: on the whole fatties eat too much. It took a lot of work for me to get to 300. However, it is also true that putting a 300-Lb fattie on 2000 kcal/day is NOT the Final Solution to the problem. Case in point: me. Ten years ago, with less activity, I could have easily maintained at 4000 kcal. Now I maintain at 1800 kcal, and can only cut at 1500 or lower. Prolonged uninterrupted caloric restriction has severe metabolic consequences.
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With overweight and obese being a majority of the US population, one would think that this argument would hold up only partially at best?
Energy availability is indeed dangerous, especially with food waste numbers already very high and climbing. Are those calories counted as available or not?
Don't get me wrong: on the whole fatties eat too much. It took a lot of work for me to get to 300. However, it is also true that putting a 300-Lb fattie on 2000 kcal/day is NOT the Final Solution to the problem. Case in point: me. Ten years ago, with less activity, I could have easily maintained at 4000 kcal. Now I maintain at 1800 kcal, and can only cut at 1500 or lower. Prolonged uninterrupted caloric restriction has severe metabolic consequences.
Well firstly, I was referring to the data that was shown earlier in this thread, stating that the average daily calorie consumption in the US is 2,000. The argument was made that obese people become obese eating 2,000 calories per day. I was pointing out that the 2,000 kcal figure (apart from being likely underestimated for reasons listed above) was for the whole population (men were up at 2,618 kcal in the year 2000 for example). But if we were to look at the calorie intake of obese people only, it would likely (almost definitely) be higher than 2,000.
You are right to point out that overweight and obese people make up a majority of the population but people of normal weight still made up a significant proportion of the survey data to skew the results somewhat. I am not arguing that obese people can lose weight on 2,000 calories a day but rather against some of the arguments being made in this post; that people become obese in the first place eating as little as 1500 kcal.
Again, you'll get no argument from me about prolonged caloric restriction on metabolic functioning but an obese person is such an extreme case of stored energy that they can withstand such a restriction without the same physiological effects as a person of normal weight or in the case of an athlete, normal bodyfat levels.
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The problem with the data that you showed is that firstly it is the average energy intake. So if we take the whole population, including people of normal weight and those underweight we will get a normal distribution bell curve, with 2,000 kcal somewhere near the middle. Obese people will fall toward the right of that curve, higher than 2,000. The second issue with using a survey of energy intake (as was used in the results you linked to) is that self-reporting of food intake by members of the public are notoriously conservative. People are much more likely to under-record what they have eaten. It is very common to underestimate portion sizes, forget about small snacks etc. Plus (and this may sound somewhat insensitive but it is not meant to offend), overweight people will often entirely avoid reporting consumption of "unhealthy" food, especially if weight and body image are a concern. Plus, the data you have shown estimated calorie intake for men at 2,618 in 2000 (it has risen even more in the last 14 years). Given that this is the average calorie intake, for obese people it would probably be higher. Add to that the underestimation in the subjects food recall and one would easily end up over 3,000 calories for men.
Another method used is to measure energy availability to the average adult. Granted, this will perhaps overestimate total energy intake but it avoids the bias of self-reporting. This is the method commonly used in many food consumption surveys including this one by the FAO:
http://www.fao.org/docrep/005/ac911e/ac911e05.htm
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Most people also probably have no idea how many calories are in various things.
For example I see behemoths at Starbuck's every morning ordering a large coffee-flavored sugar-shake and a muffin the size of a softball. "Oh I don't eat much I just had a coffee and one muffin for breakfast" when they've probably wolfed down about 1000 kcal there.
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I would lay off the Obese people really.
What happens then is, food manufactures decide to charge you more for less calories and eliminate options that were once great. Gone are the good old days when you could King Size, Biggie Size or Super Size a fry and get a shit load. Now I am forced to eat a "large" fry that is the size of a small fry in reality. I weighed them last time and the grams equaled a small fry from 5 years ago and the price increased.
Lay off the fat people! It hurts all of us in the long run!
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I remember a consistent meal of mine would be Biggie Sized Fries, Two Double Stacks, Chicken Sandwich and Large Frosty from Wendys. That was like a snack back then.
Cool pic man can you post it a couple more times please becasue we all havent seen it 6000 times already.
As for the original topic....
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I remember a consistent meal of mine would be Biggie Sized Fries, Two Double Stacks, Chicken Sandwich and Large Frosty from Wendys. That was like a snack back then.
That guy just looks happy to be alive!
Such a positive energy he is exuberating in that photo.
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I would lay off the Obese people really.
What happens then is, food manufactures decide to charge you more for less calories and eliminate options that were once great. Gone are the good old days when you could King Size, Biggie Size or Super Size a fry and get a shit load. Now I am forced to eat a "large" fry that is the size of a small fry in reality. I weighed them last time and the grams equaled a small fry from 5 years ago and the price increased.
Lay off the fat people! It hurts all of us in the long run!
Seriously mate, you need to get a job, you have way too much time on your hands.
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10, 000 CALS A DAY???
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO EAT THAT MUCH????
NO NEED TO EAT 5,000 CALS A DAY!!!
HELL......DORIAN ATE 5,500 IN THE OFFSEASON......AND AROUND 4,500 PRE CONTEST.
Mentzer ate far less calories!!!!
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10, 000 CALS A DAY???
WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO EAT THAT MUCH????
NO NEED TO EAT 5,000 CALS A DAY!!!
HELL......DORIAN ATE 5,500 IN THE OFFSEASON......AND AROUND 4,500 PRE CONTEST.
Mentzer ate far less calories!!!!
Yates was already big, when he started eating that much. That may be more of a maintenance thing for him. Mike Francois went on that super-high calorie diet for a couple of years, until he got to 265 (offseason) or 230 (contest). Then, he dropped to 4000 to 5000, to maintain or put on mass at a slower pace.
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bro.......yates never ate more than this......it is in his book!
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Yates was already big, when he started eating that much. That may be more of a maintenance thing for him. Mike Francois went on that super-high calorie diet for a couple of years, until he got to 265 (offseason) or 230 (contest). Then, he dropped to 4000 to 5000, to maintain or put on mass at a slower pace.
francois developed colitis.......also...... jim Quinn got quite big eating far less cals.....as did vince taylor......and robby robinson never came close to eating anywhere near 10,000 cals......robby probably ate no more than 3,500 cals a day.
you don't need 10,000 cals and 20-30 sets to grow!!!!
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Yates was already big, when he started eating that much. That may be more of a maintenance thing for him. Mike Francois went on that super-high calorie diet for a couple of years, until he got to 265 (offseason) or 230 (contest). Then, he dropped to 4000 to 5000, to maintain or put on mass at a slower pace.
You kep writing this claiming it to be fact, you have no idea if its true.
Vic Richards used to claim 30,000 cals a day, do you believe him?
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I blame all of this bullshit on Weider and Vic Richards with that "30,000 calories a day" bullshit. Imagine what 30,000 cals looks like in chicken and rice. Fucking absurd.
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the only guy that might have eaten 10,000 cals a day would be greg kovacs.......maybe!!!!!!!!!!!!
other than that......most dudes probably eat 5000-6000 cals a day.
gaspari told me personally that he ate 4500 cals a day and then dropped down to 3500-3800 leading up to a show.
and that was back in 1996 when he made his return to the stage.
and he was at his heaviest back then......225 or so on stage.
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You kep writing this claiming it to be fact, you have no idea if its true.
Vic Richards used to claim 30,000 cals a day, do you believe him?
Richards clarified that statement when asked on a subsequent interview. He stated he ate that on one particular day, at a party or festival where there was a lot of fatty African food.
"First to clarify this statement: I have never said I consume 30,000 calories daily. My statement was taken out of context by a major magazine's quack editor who wanted to make a name for himself by creating a controversy. His original question was, 'What is the most calories you've ever consumed in a day?' I answered that I had once consumed close to 30,000 calories when I ate Carribean and African cuisine which can be extremely high in calories. I have never claimed to eat 30,000 calories on a daily basis."
http://www.trulyhuge.com/victor-richards.html
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francois developed colitis.......also...... jim Quinn got quite big eating far less cals.....as did vince taylor......and robby robinson never came close to eating anywhere near 10,000 cals......robby probably ate no more than 3,500 cals a day.
you don't need 10,000 cals and 20-30 sets to grow!!!!
That's the reason you often see the words, 'up to', next to that number.
You don't need that much; I don't need that much. But, others may, including people like Francois.
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That's the reason you often see the words, 'up to', next to that number.
You don't need that much; I don't need that much. But, others may, including people like Francois.
no my friend......no one needs that many cals per day.
lee haney certainly didn't!
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In the early 90's I bought a book 'High-Performance Bodybuilding' by John Parrillo which advocated eating upwards of 10,000 calories a day spread over 5-6 meals. The food was supposed to be non-processed and clean. i.e. chicken, fish, lean beef, veggies. He also advocated using a lot of Medium Chain Triglyceride (MCT) on a daily basis. It was touted as a way to increase metabolism, muscle while losing bodyfat. I was able to stick to eating 8-10,000 calories a day for about 3 weeks before I got sick of eating so much and so often. It got to the point where just looking at a piece of skinless chicken on the end of my fork made me want to gag. With the requirement to eat veggies at every meal along with protein and MCT oil, I was a farting machine. My girlfriend at the time commented that I was farting so much from all the food that I smelled like a barnyard. My lifts went up. I got bigger. But constantly walking around with a belly full of food was not fun. Neither was the anxiety of preparing meals or the grocery bills for all the food.
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no my friend......no one needs that many cals per day.
lee haney certainly didn't!
You aren't Lee Haney; neither am I; and neither are people like Francois.
In the early 90's I bought a book 'High-Performance Bodybuilding' by John Parrillo which advocated eating upwards of 10,000 calories a day spread over 5-6 meals. The food was supposed to be non-processed and clean. i.e. chicken, fish, lean beef, veggies. He also advocated using a lot of Medium Chain Triglyceride (MCT) on a daily basis. It was touted as a way to increase metabolism, muscle while losing bodyfat. I was able to stick to eating 8-10,000 calories a day for about 3 weeks before I got sick of eating so much and so often. It got to the point where just looking at a piece of skinless chicken on the end of my fork made me want to gag. With the requirement to eat veggies at every meal along with protein and MCT oil, I was a farting machine. My girlfriend at the time commented that I was farting so much from all the food that I smelled like a barnyard. My lifts went up. I got bigger. But constantly walking around with a belly full of food was not fun. Neither was the anxiety of preparing meals or the grocery bills for all the food.
I thought the MCTs were to help you get to 10,000 calories. MCTs were touted as fats that burn like carbs, 8.8 calories per gram, I believe.
I didn't intake that many calories years ago; but I know how you feel. With my shakes, I often felt my mug/shaker was bottomless. 4000 calories down; I'm feeling bloated; yet, I got 1500-2000 to go.
The irony was that, no matter how stuffed I was going to sleep, I was RAVENOUS when I woke up. Half the time, my growling stomach would wake me up before my alarm did. It felt as if I hadn't eaten in days.
I don't miss that part at all; but, it was worth it as I exceeded my size and strength goals.
John Parillo was the man who pushed these super high-calorie diets, along with intense training and fascia stretching for serious mass. Like other trainers and dietary gurus, some thought he was a genius while others deemed him nuts. Do you know about a guy named Greg Greenzalis? He's identified as the trainer (and Parillo disciple) who put Mike Francois on the diet that helped supersize him.
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That's the reason you often see the words, 'up to', next to that number.
You don't need that much; I don't need that much. But, others may, including people like Francois.
So you heard of one bodybuilder who allegedly ate 10, 000 calories for months on end, and you believe him? Has the thought that he may not have been truthful or accurate in his claims crossed your mind?
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So you heard of one bodybuilder who allegedly ate 10, 000 calories for months on end, and you believe him? Has the thought that he may not have been truthful or accurate in his claims crossed your mind?
I've heard of way more than one bodybuilder eating that much. Mike Francois was simply one of my favorites. Reading about his (and other bodybuilders') diet is how I designed my own, back in college. It worked well for me, particularly in '96 (though I 'only' had to go to the 5000-calorie range).
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You aren't Lee Haney; neither am I; and neither are people like Francois.
I thought the MCTs were to help you get to 10,000 calories. MCTs were touted as fats that burn like carbs, 8.8 calories per gram, I believe.
I didn't intake that many calories years ago; but I know how you feel. With my shakes, I often felt my mug/shaker was bottomless. 4000 calories down; I'm feeling bloated; yet, I got 1500-2000 to go.
The irony was that, no matter how stuffed I was going to sleep, I was RAVENOUS when I woke up. Half the time, my growling stomach would wake me up before my alarm did. It felt as if I hadn't eaten in days.
I don't miss that part at all; but, it was worth it as I exceeded my size and strength goals.
John Parillo was the man who pushed these super high-calorie diets, along with intense training and fascia stretching for serious mass. Like other trainers and dietary gurus, some thought he was a genius while others deemed him nuts. Do you know about a guy named Greg Greenzalis? He's identified as the trainer (and Parillo disciple) who put Mike Francois on the diet that helped supersize him.
dude.....I don't care if you are genetically gifted or not.......hard gainer or not......no one needs that many cals.......all you are doing is fucking up your stomach.
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Each servings of russian bear 5000 weight gainer contains 5000 calories 391 grams of carbs and 184 grams of protein so just have two servings daily and you will hit your goal.
http://www.gnc.com/pwr/product-reviews/Other/VITAL-PRODUCTS/p/3744570-Vitol-Russian-Bear-5000-Ice-Cream-Chocolate.html
Serving Size5Scoops(approx. 635gm)
Servings Per Container~3
Calories 2600
Protein 184GM
Carbohydrates 391GM
Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) 46GM
Fat 0GM
Notice that a 4lb tub only yields 3 servings. You could take the $10-$12 that each serving costs and get better calories from real food.
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Last Updated: Nov 22, 2011 | By Amanda White
During the 2008 Summer Olympics, American swimming star Michael Phelps shared his typical Olympic diet. While it’s astounding to hear this total and realize how much food he’s really eating, it’s important to consider how many calories he was burning daily as well as his age and athletic ability.
Calories Eaten
In an interview with NBC Sports, Phelps said he ate approximately 12,000 calories per day during the 2008 Summer Olympics. This included a breakfast of three fried egg sandwiches, a five-egg omelet, three pieces of French toast, three pancakes and grits. Lunch was typically a pound of pasta and two sandwiches. For dinner, he would eat an entire large pizza and a pound of pasta.
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Last Updated: Nov 22, 2011 | By Amanda White
During the 2008 Summer Olympics, American swimming star Michael Phelps shared his typical Olympic diet. While it’s astounding to hear this total and realize how much food he’s really eating, it’s important to consider how many calories he was burning daily as well as his age and athletic ability.
Calories Eaten
In an interview with NBC Sports, Phelps said he ate approximately 12,000 calories per day during the 2008 Summer Olympics. This included a breakfast of three fried egg sandwiches, a five-egg omelet, three pieces of French toast, three pancakes and grits. Lunch was typically a pound of pasta and two sandwiches. For dinner, he would eat an entire large pizza and a pound of pasta.
Michael Phelps actually big frame at 6'4 and I'm sure he exerts alot of energy in the pool but damn, 12k calories??
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phelps is a fantastic swimmer......world class all the way......but he doesn't eat 12,000 cals.
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i wouldnt doubt phelps actually ate 12k cals on some non training days, but unless you have had 10k cals worth of food in your body repetitively you'd understand how hard it is do any kind of activity, let alone train as an olympic calibre athlete.
fuck i couldnt even bend over comfortably to put my shoes on- and this guy is eating more and breaking world records in practice? gimme a break. lol
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Maybe Phelps drank olive oil.
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Maybe Phelps drank olive oil.
lol
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Serving Size5Scoops(approx. 635gm)
Servings Per Container~3
Calories 2600
Protein 184GM
Carbohydrates 391GM
Medium Chain Triglycerides (MCT) 46GM
Fat 0GM
Notice that a 4lb tub only yields 3 servings. You could take the $10-$12 that each serving costs and get better calories from real food.
I believe the one "serving" was supposed to be taken throughout the day. 2600 calories divided into 3-4 portions is about 620 to 870 calories a shot, yielding 42 - 61 grams of protein a drink. That sounds far more reasonable.