1. TA-Adonis Principles
2. Vince Basile-Mr. Canada
3. Vince Goodrum-CEO, Baller, Fitness Industry Insider.
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whats option 4?
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I guess I am not in the list because I am actually a real trainer.
None of those.
How about:k
1) Charles Glass
2) Chris Aceto
3) George Farah
4) Milos Sarcev
5) Dorian Yates
6) Hany Rambo
7) Kai Greene
8) Dana Linn Bailey
Choose ONE!
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None of those.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How about:
1) Charles Glass
2) Chris Aceto
3) George Farah
4) Milos Sarcev
5) Dorian Yates
6) Hany Rambo
7) Kai Greene
8) Dana Linn Bailey
Choose ONE!
For bodybuilding - Disgusted
I wouldn't let Milo's program a warm-up set of leg extensions.
Thanks Coach, I've helped countless people get ripped for shows it's simple. Getting them on stage can be a little more complicated but again pretty straight forward. Drugs a secondary that's what most people get confused about. I've had guys use only one drug because of money issues beat guys on GH slin and other various drugs based on conditioning. Most guys fuck up anyway at the last minute, that's something that can be counted on most of the time.
And this is what 90% of this board doesn't understand. You don't need a ton of gear. There's a recent thread on here that listed a pros supposed drug cycle from 16 weeks out, it was utterly ridiculous and totally not necessary. I'm not doubting there are some dumbasses that would risk it but the more you take the more you run the risk of not peaking the day of the show and not to mention it's not necessary anyway.
And this is what 90% of this board doesn't understand. You don't need a ton of gear. There's a recent thread on here that listed a pros supposed drug cycle from 16 weeks out, it was utterly ridiculous and totally not necessary. I'm not doubting there are some dumbasses that would risk it but the more you take the more you run the risk of not peaking the day of the show and not to mention it's not necessary anyway.I can get in contest condition just using Test E.......all diet,and hard training.
I can get in contest condition just using Test E.......all diet,and hard training.
Are you a pro?I will be in a year or two.
I will be in a year or two.
what are your stats?What`s being a pro have to do with this thread?
1. TA-Adonis Principles
2. Vince Basile-Mr. Canada
3. Vince Goodrum-CEO, Baller, Fitness Industry Insider.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!
I respect you Coach but generally speaking find that hard to believe. Please share with me any pros you know who use low dosages. I'm interested in that exception to the norm.
What`s being a pro have to do with this thread?
Stats schmats....I train for a certain look.
Define "low" then tell me how many pros you know and how long you've personally been on this industry. Or do you just believe everything you read?
Early alzheimers, wes?
You were just quoting Joe who was talking about high pro dosages being unnecessary. You responding saying all you need is test e to get in condition.
You and Joe talking about what dosages you need vs a PRO is like comparing a tuned honda civic's fuel and maintenance requirements vs a lambos.
I'm asking you Coach because you seem to have the info. You tell me who uses what and how much or little. Share what a PRO stack actually looks like base on your experience dealing with all these PRO bodybuilders.
Early alzheimers, wes?I quoted Joe,but only said I could get ripped using Test E............I wasn`t even thinking about the pro referance.
You were just quoting Joe who was talking about high pro dosages being unnecessary. You responding saying all you need is test e to get in condition.
You and Joe talking about what dosages you need vs a PRO is like comparing a tuned honda civic's fuel and maintenance requirements vs a lambos.
We've been In this industry before you were even a thought in your daddy's pants. Trust me when I say you're on NO position to be telling is what works and what doesn't.
I quoted Joe,but only said I could get ripped using Test E............I wasn`t even thinking about the pro referance.
I think Joe knows a little about drugs and bodybuilding to say the very least.
I can`t speak for him,but having trained with some of the top guys of his day,who looked far better than todays bloated whales in my opinion,I would venture a guess that his point is that although todays guys do use humongous stacks,that it is not necessary if you want to look good.....if you want to look like the Michelan Man,then those amounts are needed.
Are you a PRO Joe? If not which PROS have you worked with?Do you have any idea about the guys Joe has trained with in the past dude?
because using yourself as an example is a piss poor example of what it takes to be a pro because you're not even close and never were.
Fair enough wes. You didn't catch that he was talking about pro dosages.Yes,I did,but I was simply talking about myself and my ability to get cut on Test E alone........hence why I didn`t mention anything about any pros.
You first know it all. There isn't one magical potion.
Yes,I did,but I was simply talking about myself and my ability to get cut on Test E alone........hence why I didn`t mention anything about any pros.
I respect you Coach but generally speaking find that hard to believe. Please share with me any pros you know who use low dosages. I'm interested in that exception to the norm.
Are you a PRO Joe? If not which PROS have you worked with?
because using yourself as an example is a piss poor example of what it takes to be a pro because you're not even close and never were.
We've been In this industry before you were even a thought in your daddy's pants. Trust me when I say you're on NO position to be telling is what works and what doesn't.
No problem grandpa, just remember context matters.::)
I know what they use, but who cares. That 16 week cycle whether true or not is fucking stupid and will create a shit look. Most of these "pros" today can't achieve the look below on 7 grams week. I would never want to look like these guys today.^^^THIS^^^
1. TA-Adonis Principles
2. Vince Basile-Mr. Canada
3. Vince Goodrum-CEO, Baller, Fitness Industry Insider.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!
No, I'm not pro nor do I have the desire to be one. However I know A LOT of pros and yes, there cycles as well and when not training on my gym, we occasionally train together. I stopped training bodybuilders in the early 90's. You don't need to know who I trained. I don't train bodybuilders anymore because most don't train hard enough to break a sweat. I can tell you the ones I do train with laugh their asses off at the accusations of the drug cycles posted on HERE. Yes. They read this site...mostly for comic relief.
Would you mind sharing the stack of a PRO with the forum? Make a thread about it so everyone can benefit from the knowledge.
I'm serious Coach.
Not my deal. I know it doesn't take almost anywhere near what's posted in that thread.
I know what they use, but who cares. That 16 week cycle whether true or not is fucking stupid and will create a shit look. Most of these "pros" today can't achieve the look below on 7 grams week. I would never want to look like these guys today.
Why not share with the forum Coach? Wouldn't people here benefit from it health wise? Some kid right now is reading and he sees that stack thinking he needs to up the dosage.
how many grams then for a PRO? How many for top amateur?
Benefit from what health wise? Pretty sure 90% of the posters here know my feelings on it. Lemme ask you. Do you REALLY don't think I know what I'm talking about? This is a simple yes or no question.
You dismissed an alleged pro stack as being stupid and unnecessary. I want you replace it. If your knowledge can equal to the same results or better but with less drugs then you should speak up and be heard.
Its simple really. If you don't want to contribute your knowledge with the forum then why are you here running your mouth?
I can tell you why im here...to learn from people here like you.
Let me ask you jr. Do you really think I'm stupid enough to put a full blown drug cycle up here? If you want to learn about drug cycles, this ain't the place to come. So this is what I suggest. You start getting ready for a show, hire who you think is best and take it from there. That's one way to learn. You're not going to learn shit unless you experience it for yourself.
If you're not at least willing to do that, you're not willing to learn. I can tell you I can tell you I'm just as big as any pro my size. I can also tell you that if I competed enough I could win (possibly even the Masters Nationals) on less than 1.5grms per week IF THAT.
Why did this thread get so stupid so quick??
I forgot to ad that I would have liked to train with Vince Gironda just long enough to get kicked out of his gym.
Also, why is it that some people think that us trainers would know exactly what our clients are using? We could suggest things I suppose. We aren't George or anyone else... Milos... people that we KNOW suggest AND supply drugs to their clients. And all this is just based on THEIR OWN experience. It's not an exact science AND can go very wrong!
Following a nutritional program is one thing when in conjunction with drugs and a completely different beast without drugs.
I'm not sure what the point of bringing up dosages is, but it would not be the same for each "Pro" client, and it wouldn't even necessarily be what the "Guru" suggests.
Pro's still have their own "empirical data" and preferences. They don't start out with trainers and nutritionists and drug gurus. They experiment.
If some of you (expletives) really want to know what "some" of the Pros use, I would have to ask: Do you think they use MORE shit than most of the guys at the gym who work and make good money and just wanna be jacked as fuck? Those guys that don't give a rat's ass about anything but being at the gym every single damn day... such a waste of time.
Here is a list. This is what a few "people" I know are using. I really don't need to differentiate between whether or not they are Pros, qualifiers, or just regular gym rats. Why? Because it doesn't seem to matter when it comes right down to it. I can't get inside people's heads and figure out why they have this "Die by the Iron" attitude. I can only guess it has to do with low self-esteem, narcissism and loneliness. It also has to with tolerance. Some guys have just been doing shit for so long that the whole "if a little is good" attitude has been completely decimated to pieces.
So, here we go.
Masteron, Sustanon, E.Q and Primobolan with Dbol tabs taken like candy all day long. T-3 and Clen for cutting when GH can't be afforded.
How many times have I heard "Don't waste a syringe?" How many here know exactly what that means? Sure, a lot of you do, but a lot of you don't. For those of you that don't, it means 3cc's or nothing.
Does it just mean 3cc's a day? I wish. For some guys it means 3cc's in each delt and each Quad, or each Glute and each Tri, or EOD a combo of 4 sites.
Here's the thing that bothers me most: We see people (Hardcore bodybuilders) dropping like flies. We blame juice, DIEuretics, etc, etc.
Guess what? Many of these guys don't think twice about a needle, so obviously they wouldn't think twice about a few shots of Whiskey at night and a couple of Vic's either.
And here's another kicker: These guys get very ill and die. How many of you have been around these guys as they are getting sicker and sicker? Anyone notice that they dont just get Jaundice? They get shaky, paranoid, flushed... etc., etc., they get annoying as fuck.
We don't ever talk about that do we? How annoying are the hardcore bodybuilders at your gym? All they care about is themselves, and then they want to talk about {heard it all} and hits on their lives, etc, etc...
I always just wonder "who did they burn?" How many times? They sell to get their own shit for free...
Yeah, I talk a lot, but sometimes the naivety here gets so stupid it makes you wonder why nobody ever say's anything.
Rock on. Live to Die. Work hard, live hard, die alone. So manly. So rewarding. I'm so proud to be a part of the "Fitness" lifestyle!!! BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
[/end rant] [deal with it]
Thread get so stupid?
Excuse me, but Vince Goodrum is a MASTER TRAINER!! His credentials speak for themselves!
Goodrum as my diet-coach
Chad Mower (delts), Shizzo (abs), Chopperrider (arms) and Toka Swola for general motivational training.
Johnny Falcon as my MMA-coach.
Soul Crusher as my Political Science and Immigration-Tutor
Go4It as my Fashion-advisor. (White Vest of Peace!)
Seriously, if I could only go back in time:lol ;D
1) Vince Gironda
2) Larry Scott
3) Dave Draper
P.S. IF I could go back 2000 years, WES would be my choice =)