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I don't know if this makes sense but I've been eating low cals for months now and sort of hit a plateau. Week after week I saw my weight go down then over the last few weeks it stopped. Now after a big weekend binge at the Casino buffets, a birthday party and some nights out drinking, I am 10 pounds lighter and have remained so for a few days now. Seems that 4 day binge helped me lose more weight.
Just when all the experts think they go this shit figured out stuff like this happens.
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If you ve done a lot of drinking you ll be very dehydrated. One big night out can make you lose up to 10 lbs in fluid. Weigh your self when you go out and then when you come in. See how much you ve pissed and sweated out.
Also cocaine if you been hitting that will make you lose weight.
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Did you ever have any cheat meals/days during your diet?
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add 30 minutes to your workouts.
add 30 minutes to your sleeping.
after your workout, stop at buffet 4x a week.
volume rocks.
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Did you ever have any cheat meals/days during your diet?
Not at all. It wasn't until my bender last week. I thought the same as the poster above that I'm just dehydrated, but days later, back to normal and still 10 pounds less.
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Not at all. It wasn't until my bender last week. I thought the same as the poster above that I'm just dehydrated, but days later, back to normal and still 10 pounds less.
Maybe it reset your leptin levels/metabolism or some bro-science like that..... I've never put much stock in those theories, but I guess we can't argue with the results
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Maybe it reset your leptin levels/metabolism or some bro-science like that..... I've never put much stock in those theories, but I guess we can't argue with the results
I've always wondered about "cheat days". Everybody says to do them, but are unclear as to why? Is it psychological: letting off steam so that you don't "blow" and eat 10,000 calories of ice cream? Of is there a physiological component, like "replenishment" or some other bullshit?
I don't like cheat meals because I have a psychological aversion to my own weakness. That said, I do have a couple of slices of pizza every week with my son. It's a Daddy/Son thing that we've been doing for years. I don't eat a lot of it.
Would I look "fuller" (oh brother) if I ate a cubic yard of craptastic Chinese every week?
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I've always wondered about "cheat days". Everybody says to do them, but are unclear as to why? Is it psychological: letting off steam so that you don't "blow" and eat 10,000 calories of ice cream? Of is there a physiological component, like "replenishment" or some other bullshit?
I don't like cheat meals because I have a psychological aversion to my own weakness. That said, I do have a couple of slices of pizza every week with my son. It's a Daddy/Son thing that we've been doing for years. I don't eat a lot of it.
Would I look "fuller" (oh brother) if I ate a cubic yard of craptastic Chinese every week?
I guess when the body gets accustomed to eating low calories it learns to adapt and utilize them sparringly to not get depleted, then when it is hit hard with a big splurge, your metabolism goes beserk and the body reacts negatively like it's under attack.
All bro science of course.
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No need to go on a 4 day binge, 1 day or even 1 big meal will be enough to upregulate the thyroid and fat buring hormones if you have been dieting correctly and improved insulin sensitivity.
No bro science, its the truth :)
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I don't know if this makes sense but I've been eating low cals for months now and sort of hit a plateau. Week after week I saw my weight go down then over the last few weeks it stopped. Now after a big weekend binge at the Casino buffets, a birthday party and some nights out drinking, I am 10 pounds lighter and have remained so for a few days now. Seems that 4 day binge helped me lose more weight.
Just when all the experts think they go this shit figured out stuff like this happens.
I used to advise this to "kickstart the metabolism" (<----------my own saying/lingo) and get the body into fat burning mode again.
Broscience?
Maybe,but it does work when stalled while on a long diet.
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...upregulate the thyroid and fat buring hormones...
Sounds really brosciency. Is there a study or something to back this up?
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I used to advise this to "kickstart the metabolism" (<----------my own saying/lingo) and get the body into fat burning mode again.
Broscience?
Maybe,but it does work when stalled while on a long diet.
How often did a dieting body require this "kickstart?"
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do what natural people who are fed up with losing 20lbs and flatlining with a belly and soft legs/arms do
start using anabolic steroids
the human body is stupidly designed to survive in the wild by conserving fat. But it loves to use muscle instead. We're not cavemen anymore, but our bodies never got the message
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How often did a dieting body require this "kickstart?"
Back in the day,whenever I hit a plateau,I`d go 3 days of zero carbs or a day or two of huge meals,but the meals would still be clean.
Look up my carb cycling article on Google.
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Back in the day,whenever I hit a plateau,I`d go 3 days of zero carbs or a day or two of huge meals,but the meals would still be clean.
Look up my carb cycling article on Google.
Should I google "wes carb cycling" and will it be on the first page of hits?
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Back in the day,whenever I hit a plateau,I`d go 3 days of zero carbs or a day or two of huge meals,but the meals would still be clean.
Look up my carb cycling article on Google.
And I do get carb cycling, just not the binge day.
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Should I google "wes carb cycling" and will it be on the first page of hits?
You could also read galeniko's book, also available online.
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You could also read galeniko's book, also available online.
I actually bought a copy (oh brother/no homo)!
It also talks about the necessity of a "cheat day", but not the science behind it. "Upregulation of fat burning hormones" sounds like it might be a thing until you realize that is just a bunch of sciency words jammed together.
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Should I google "wes carb cycling" and will it be on the first page of hits?
Tim Wescott Carb Cycling For Fat Loss
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I actually bought a copy (oh brother/no homo)!
It also talks about the necessity of a "cheat day", but not the science behind it. "Upregulation of fat burning hormones" sounds like it might be a thing until you realize that is just a bunch of sciency words jammed together.
No science in my article either AJ,just stuff that works from being tested to work.
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I actually bought a copy (oh brother/no homo)!
It also talks about the necessity of a "cheat day", but not the science behind it. "Upregulation of fat burning hormones" sounds like it might be a thing until you realize that is just a bunch of sciency words jammed together.
It has some merit because you're throwing your body's metabolism into overdrive to expend those added calories in the context of a restricted regimen
problem is T3/T4 production is a major factor and it varies widely from one guy to the next
so that cheat meal will be assimilated within an hour on some ectomorph
but will only make a slight difference on a guy who's overweight
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I actually bought a copy (oh brother/no homo)!
It also talks about the necessity of a "cheat day", but not the science behind it. "Upregulation of fat burning hormones" sounds like it might be a thing until you realize that is just a bunch of sciency words jammed together.
thats because there is no science behind why we say to have a cheat day.
we state time and again we are not scientists, and we dont give advise based on 'science'.
dont try to paint us as trying to be something we freely admit to not being, and are proud of not being.
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I don't know if this makes sense but I've been eating low cals for months now and sort of hit a plateau. Week after week I saw my weight go down then over the last few weeks it stopped. Now after a big weekend binge at the Casino buffets, a birthday party and some nights out drinking, I am 10 pounds lighter and have remained so for a few days now. Seems that 4 day binge helped me lose more weight.
Just when all the experts think they go this shit figured out stuff like this happens.
hate to burst your bubble brother but if you were drinking a lot, those ten pounds are water not fat, like avery said
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Sounds really brosciency. Is there a study or something to back this up?
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/control_leptin_and_control_your_leanness
There is one article explaining Leptin, familiarise yourself with leptin, ghrelin, thyroid out put and insulin sensitivity you will see, plenty of science explaining why cheat meals/refeeds work.
Still doubt it? Try is it yourself and see, just make sure you are dieting for a few weeks before trying and make sure your diet plan is optimising your insulin sensitivity. :)
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dont try to paint us as trying to be something we freely admit to not being, and are proud of not being.
I am not trying to do that. I am independently seeking some science behind the "cheat meal" concept and why it works. Your book was brought up as a place to look for said research and I, like you, disputed that claim.
There is a selfish motive here as I feel that I don't need a "psychological" cheat meal. But, if there are real physiological benefits, I can go to Five Guys right now.
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No science in my article either AJ,just stuff that works from being tested to work.
thats because there is no science behind why we say to have a cheat day.
we state time and again we are not scientists, and we dont give advise based on 'science'.
dont try to paint us as trying to be something we freely admit to not being, and are proud of not being.
FUCK SCIENCE ! ;D
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I guess when the body gets accustomed to eating low calories it learns to adapt and utilize them sparringly to not get depleted, then when it is hit hard with a big splurge, your metabolism goes beserk and the body reacts negatively like it's under attack.
All bro science of course.
actually it is not bro science, it is true and confirmed already, if anyone pays attention to eating a humongous meal at night, they actually wake up with hunger pains, while if they had ate small they wouldn't be hungry at all in the morning.
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http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/control_leptin_and_control_your_leanness
There is one article explaining Leptin, familiarise yourself with leptin, ghrelin, thyroid out put and insulin sensitivity you will see, plenty of science explaining why cheat meals/refeeds work.
Still doubt it? Try is it yourself and see, just make sure you are dieting for a few weeks before trying and make sure your diet plan is optimising your insulin sensitivity. :)
Thanks for the article. I remember reading it now. No so good retention.
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Is anybody else actually thrilled to be discussing something vaguely bb-related rather than the other drama going on?
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Is anybody else actually thrilled to be discussing something vaguely bb-related rather than the other drama going on?
It is indeed a rarity `round these parts! ;D
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I've always wondered about "cheat days". Everybody says to do them, but are unclear as to why? Is it psychological: letting off steam so that you don't "blow" and eat 10,000 calories of ice cream? Of is there a physiological component, like "replenishment" or some other bullshit?
I don't like cheat meals because I have a psychological aversion to my own weakness. That said, I do have a couple of slices of pizza every week with my son. It's a Daddy/Son thing that we've been doing for years. I don't eat a lot of it.
Would I look "fuller" (oh brother) if I ate a cubic yard of craptastic Chinese every week?
Really, the only real physiological reason I can think of is to restore glycogen levels if doing a keto-style diet. People mention these thyroid/leptin/ghrelin theories, but I've talked with a handful of people that have tried it both ways and they maintain that they got lean quicker with no cheat meals.
Galeniko & Sevastase are two posters here that I know have mentioned this
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Really, the only real physiological reason I can think of is to restore glycogen levels if doing a keto-style diet. People mention these thyroid/leptin/ghrelin theories, but I've talked with a handful of people that have tried it both ways and they maintain that they got lean quicker with no cheat meals.
Galeniko & Sevastase are two posters here that I know have mentioned this
If you eat 2000 calories a day with the same 5 meals a day, your metabolism will slow down once it accepts what you're putting into it. Unless you change the training by increasing the intensity through shorter rest periods or more cardio. Your body doesn't simply go from 25% BF to 5% just by dieting the same way over and over.
So the cheat meal does serve a purpose. But it won't be enough by itself.
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FUCK SCIENCE ! ;D
we must have been separated at birth.
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Really, the only real physiological reason I can think of is to restore glycogen levels if doing a keto-style diet. People mention these thyroid/leptin/ghrelin theories, but I've talked with a handful of people that have tried it both ways and they maintain that they got lean quicker with no cheat meals.
Galeniko & Sevastase are two posters here that I know have mentioned this
cheat meals work but they are not quicker then a no carb diets, you are right about that. They are effective on a low carb diet where plateaus are an issue, but a no carb diet has no plateaus at all so cheat meals are not necessary.
I also never use cheat meals or cheat days.
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Really, the only real physiological reason I can think of is to restore glycogen levels if doing a keto-style diet. People mention these thyroid/leptin/ghrelin theories, but I've talked with a handful of people that have tried it both ways and they maintain that they got lean quicker with no cheat meals.
Galeniko & Sevastase are two posters here that I know have mentioned this
I never cheat,notice I said clean bigger meals............I know you weren`t referring specifically to me,just saying.
I`ve had clients just starting a diet and they were fat, ask me when their cheat day was. ;D
The only time I cheat,is when I hit 4-5 % bf,and then it`s beef,more whole eggs,a few higher carb days.........not much of a cheat,just more fats/cals.
Once I am in clean eating mode,it is not a problem for me to continue eating clean,but I only do it that strict for a contest prep,other than that,I live a little and have a cheat day and a cheat meal here and there.
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I am not trying to do that. I am independently seeking some science behind the "cheat meal" concept and why it works. Your book was brought up as a place to look for said research and I, like you, disputed that claim.
There is a selfish motive here as I feel that I don't need a "psychological" cheat meal. But, if there are real physiological benefits, I can go to Five Guys right now.
for us, the first reason we use the cheat meal to replenish glycogen stores that deplete over the 3-4 days of being in the hole. your next two workouts as a result are amazing.
the second reason is for enjoyment. there is NO REASON you should not eat the foods you love when your on a diet.
basically it resets you mentally and physically.
i have my own opinions about cal intake and metabolism which i think i touched on in the book- if your in a big enough deficit and doing enoguh work you'll burn fat regardless where your metabolism is at. so in my case i dont use the meal for burning fat. it just doesnt make sense to me- and i dont do things that dont make sense esp where it regards training and nutrition. lol
cheers bro.
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we must have been separated at birth.
Yup,you got the good looks and the height though! :(
;D
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The difference between someone who can diet and someone who cannot diet is the dieter will cheat, then get back on the diet. And the other person won't be able to stop.
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I never cheat,notice I said clean bigger meals............I know you weren`t referring specifically to me,just saying.
I`ve had clients just starting a diet and they were fat, ask me when their cheat day was. ;D
The only time I cheat,is when I hit 4-5 % bf,and then it`s beef,more whole eggs,a few higher carb days.........not much of a cheat,just more fats/cals.
Once I am in clean eating mode,it is not a problem for me to continue eating clean,but I only do it that strict for a contest prep,other than that,I live a little and have a cheat day and a cheat meal here and there.
agreed. there is no need for a cheat meal if your not this lean. ever. i should have stated that in my post, but was referencing the book.
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Yup,you got the good looks and the height though! :(
;D
hahahaha well, im sure we've each done ok in life w what god gave us.
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agreed. there is no need for a cheat meal if your not this lean. ever. i should have stated that in my post, but was referencing the book.
You guys wrote a book that echoes a lot of my thoughts on training,gear,and diet.
Great minds think alike ! ;)
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If you eat 2000 calories a day with the same 5 meals a day, your metabolism will slow down once it accepts what you're putting into it. Unless you change the training by increasing the intensity through shorter rest periods or more cardio. Your body doesn't simply go from 25% BF to 5% just by dieting the same way over and over.
So the cheat meal does serve a purpose. But it won't be enough by itself.
Sure it does....activity level is the main factor behind metabolism. If you maintain the same activity levels throughout the diet and 2000 calories is below your caloric expenditures, why would you stop losing weight?
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the way you two diet, you could've been ripped without being enhanced IMO.
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hahahaha well, im sure we've each done ok in life w what god gave us.
He didn`t give me too much.....I owe him for that. ;D
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Sure it does....activity level is the main factor behind metabolism. If you maintain the same activity levels throughout the diet and 2000 calories is below your caloric expenditures, why would you stop losing weight?
no, it really doesn't. And until you can show me an example of someone who got that lean eating the same food/calories consistently, I won't believe you. Sorry. My experience is your body draws the line at one point (varies by person) and then no more. Unless you change something outside the kitchen. Or you're enhanced by ergogenic substances.
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the way you two diet, you could've been ripped without being enhanced IMO.
Who says we weren`t ? LOL :D
Actually,my diet has gone to shit (intentionally)....I do this at times, and I`m off all gear for almost a year or so now.
IMO,you need the break (mental as well as physical) here and there,just like the top guys back in the day.
I usually always stay on small dosages,but not always,but no matter what I`m doing,I always train.
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no, it really doesn't. And until you can show me an example of someone who got that lean eating the same food/calories consistently, I won't believe you. Sorry. My experience is your body draws the line at one point (varies by person) and then no more. Unless you change something outside the kitchen. Or you're enhanced by ergogenic substances.
I eat the same amount of food on day 1 of dieting at 14% all the way till 4% bodyfat, same exact food and calories every single day
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cheat meals work but they are not quicker then a no carb diets, you are right about that. They are effective on a low carb diet where plateaus are an issue, but a no carb diet has no plateaus at all so cheat meals are not necessary.
Could you expand more on this? What do you consider low-carb? Why are the plateaus an issue with low-carb?
For the record, I always generally considered low-carb & no carb to be the same thing....<30-50g carbs a day
Anything over 50, and that's more what I would consider "lower carb"....purely semantics though
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I eat the same amount of food on day 1 of dieting at 14% all the way till 4% bodyfat, same exact food and calories every single day
Are you 100% natural?
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no, it really doesn't. And until you can show me an example of someone who got that lean eating the same food/calories consistently, I won't believe you. Sorry. My experience is your body draws the line at one point (varies by person) and then no more. Unless you change something outside the kitchen. Or you're enhanced by ergogenic substances.
Umm yeah it is....hold up, I'll dig up some research.
Also, Exhibit A :D :
I eat the same amount of food on day 1 of dieting at 14% all the way till 4% bodyfat, same exact food and calories every single day
EDIT: Oh lol I didn't know you were talking about naturals. In that case, maybe.....but who cares about naturals lol, this is bodybuilding after all
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Umm yeah it is....hold up, I'll dig up some research.
Also, Exhibit A :D :
That's not proof of anything. I can write that I'm 2% body fat and got there eating pineapple and martinis all day.
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Are you 100% natural?
oh I didn't know the discussion was for naturals only, my bad but it does not make a difference anyway, off gear same shit just a lot less muscle, the juice DOES NOT BURN FAT.
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That's not proof of anything. I can write that I'm 2% body fat and got there eating pineapple and martinis all day.
so now I am a liar?
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oh I didn't know the discussion was for naturals only, my bad but it does not make a difference anyway, off gear same shit just a lot less muscle, the juice DOES NOT BURN FAT.
bullshit
I'm done replying to your trolling dude
this is over the line
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so now I am a liar?
when you say drugs don't make a huge difference in dieting
yes
you are
definitely
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EDIT: ....but who cares about naturals lol, this is bodybuilding after all
lol :D
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Could you expand more on this? What do you consider low-carb? Why are the plateaus an issue with low-carb?
For the record, I always generally considered low-carb & no carb to be the same thing....<30-50g carbs a day
Anything over 50, and that's more what I would consider "lower carb"....purely semantics though
no just saying the diets that involve 150 grams of carbs will make you hit a plateau eventually because they would be higher in calories, so a cheat meal and a decrease in calories would be better then just a decrease in calories, the decrease coming from the carbs.
The plateau is say at 2000 calories and you are dropping 300 calories, well we know that the body requires exactly 2000 calories to break even because the plateau, by having a cheat meal you can temporarily raise what your body requires to 2200 for a couple days.
Ideal time for a cheat meal is when you drop calories. Now I go no carbs right off the bat so non of this is necessary.
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no just saying the diets that involve 150 grams of carbs will make you hit a plateau eventually because they would be higher in calories, so a cheat meal and a decrease in calories would be better then just a decrease in calories, the decrease coming from the carbs.
The plateau is say at 2000 calories and you are dropping 300 calories, well we know that the body requires exactly 2000 calories to break even because the plateau, by having a cheat meal you can temporarily raise what your body requires to 2200 for a couple days.
Ideal time for a cheat meal is when you drop calories. Now I go no carbs right off the bat so non of this is necessary.
Cool that's right in line with what I was thinking
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bullshit
I'm done replying to your trolling dude
this is over the line
juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.
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juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.
Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all
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juice burns fat? what juice burns fat bro, enlighten us. Maybe tren does a tad but that is it.
ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.
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when you say drugs don't make a huge difference in dieting
yes
you are
definitely
I said juice not drugs, fat burners make a huge difference, prop, anadrol, npp, eq, etc do not
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ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.
yes my thoughts exactly, some say it has properties that burn fat but I don't buy it.
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Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all
lmao, you are dumb
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Right, because gaining a significant amount of muscle tissue doesn't increase your metabolism at all
About 6-7 calories/pound of skeletal muscle.....not what I would consider a "significant" factor
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lmao, you are dumb
Spoken like a true meathead.
This is why no one respects bodybuilders. They're a bunch of fucking morons.
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About 6-7 calories/pound of skeletal muscle.....not what I would consider a "significant" factor
I don't think you've ever done a diet or been in shape enough to judge what's significant or not from a muscle-gaining standpoint.
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Spoken like a true meathead.
This is why no one respects bodybuilders. They're a bunch of fucking morons.
oh the irony,....... :D ummmmmm in case you have not noticed, this is a bodybuilding forum rotflmao
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oh the irony,....... :D ummmmmm in case you have not noticed, this is a bodybuilding forum rotflmao
Is it? A real BBing forum would be mainly patronized by, you know
bodybuilders, pros, gurus, trainers, etc.
how many are there on here? I count less than 8. Lol. This site is the joke of all BB forums. That's what makes it so much fun. You just don't appreciate that about it. Relax man.
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Is it? A real BBing forum would be mainly patronized by, you know
bodybuilders, pros, gurus, trainers, etc.
how many are there on here? I count less than 8. Lol. This site is the joke of all BB forums. That's what makes it so much fun. You just don't appreciate that about it. Relax man.
if its such a joke why are you addicted to it, religiously on here 24-7
I am more then relaxed, just think you should stay off topics you know very little of
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ive always believed the fat loss effects of tren come from dieting harder just cause you know your on it, and its ability to allow you to train without fatigue.
Very good point.....the mind is the most powerful muscle.
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if its such a joke why are you addicted to it, religiously on here 24-7
I am more then relaxed, just think you should stay off topics you know very little of
I post here a few days a month. 24/7? A few hours, at most. And when I come back, I don't go over my posting history to see who replied to me so I can catch up with every thread. That's pretty much the irony of what you just wrote.
You haven't proven you know anything about dieting or training. I know you've done both. But you haven't gone about it in a logical and systematic way. You just declare that everyone's opinions but yours are off and then hurl insults. It's why you're a walking stereotype of a blockhead juicemonkey.
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A guy who has both experience and is humble about sharing it is galeniko. Classy guy when it comes to discussing dieting and lifting. Wes as well.
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I don't think you've ever done a diet or been in shape enough to judge what's significant or not from a muscle-gaining standpoint.
Well I'm sure you must be quite the beast yourself
anyways....what does muscle-gaining have to do with anything that we're discussing? You said that muscle increases the metabolism, ok sure it does--by like 150-200 calories. Wow. The fat must just be falling off of these juicers I hear about
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Well I'm sure you must be quite the beast yourself
anyways....what does muscle-gaining have to do with anything that we're discussing? You said that muscle increases the metabolism, ok sure it does--by like 150-200 calories. Wow. The fat must just be falling off of these juicers I hear about
Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.
The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.
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I post here a few days a month. 24/7? A few hours, at most. And when I come back, I don't go over my posting history to see who replied to me so I can catch up with every thread. That's pretty much the irony of what you just wrote.
You haven't proven you know anything about dieting or training. I know you've done both. But you haven't gone about it in a logical and systematic way. You just declare that everyone's opinions but yours are off and then hurl insults. It's why you're a walking stereotype of a blockhead juicemonkey.
dude, you post 25 posts per day, that is very high, in fact very few are higher then that, I would say that is 24-7.
I have never hurled insults on anyone here ever without them drawing first, you dish it I will return it, simple as that, don't paint me out to be an asshole on here when you threw first
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dude, you post 25 posts per day, that is very high, in fact very few are higher then that, I would say that is 24-7.
I have never hurled insults on anyone here ever without them drawing first, you dish it I will return it, simple as that, don't paint me out to be an asshole on here when you threw first
Actually, most of my posts are from March. You can feel free to look that up if you don't believe it. There are many people here with far more posts per day than me. What's your point?
You insult people regularly. You've been doing it to me since yesterday. And now you're blatantly setting aside common sense about the effects of ergogenic synthetic substances to try to win an argument on the Internet about dieting. At your age, that's pretty childish.
I mean, I get that you're experienced and I gave you credit. But you're not being humble about it and instead your ego's getting in the way of your judgment.
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Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.
The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139779/table/T3/
6-7 calories/lb of skeletal muscle. Assuming a juicer has 20-30 pounds of muscle over a natural, there you go: 150-200 increase in calories.
And the rest of your statement is common knowledge, but nobody is disputing that. You're acting like juice is this panacea for fat loss, when a steroid user will have to suffer to get lean just like a natural.
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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139779/table/T3/
6-7 calories/lb of skeletal muscle. Assuming a juicer has 20-30 pounds of muscle over a natural, there you go: 150-200 increase in calories.
And the rest of your statement is common knowledge, but nobody is disputing that. You're acting like juice is this panacea for fat loss, when a steroid user will have to suffer to get lean just like a natural.
No they won't. I lost far more fat when I was enhanced than not. So unless you're currently running a cycle of legitimate androgenic steroids and getting nowhere, I don't believe anything you're telling me here.
T3 varies widely by person. That's an average number that applies to a NATURAL individual. A natural gaining 10lbs isn't like someone on steroids gaining 10lbs. For the reasons I stated.
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Actually, most of my posts are from March. You can feel free to look that up if you don't believe it. There are many people here with far more posts per day than me. What's your point?
You insult people regularly. You've been doing it to me since yesterday. And now you're blatantly setting aside common sense about the effects of ergogenic synthetic substances to try to win an argument on the Internet about dieting. At your age, that's pretty childish.
I mean, I get that you're experienced and I gave you credit. But you're not being humble about it and instead your ego's getting in the way of your judgment.
bro go back and check, you drew first, if you can not take it then don't give it, whoever attacks me or insults me will get it back 10 fold whoever doesn't I have the utmost respect for them and would do anything for them and help in anyway, it is simple mathematics, what don't you understand about that.
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No they won't. I lost far more fat when I was enhanced than not. So unless you're currently running a cycle of legitimate androgenic steroids and getting nowhere, I don't believe anything you're telling me here.
T3 varies widely by person. That's an average number that applies to a NATURAL individual. A natural gaining 10lbs isn't like someone on steroids gaining 10lbs. For the reasons I stated.
Ok since you seem to have all of the answers, how many calories does a pound of skeletal muscle burn? Don't forget to post proof
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bro go back and check, you drew first, if you can not take it then don't give it, whoever attacks me or insults me will get it back 10 fold whoever doesn't I have the utmost respect for them and would do anything for them and help in anyway, it is simple mathematics, what don't you understand about that.
Your 'insults' don't bother me, as they're on the level of what people in junior high say to each other. So I'm not bothered in the least and definitely not intimidated. I've heard far worse on here. :)
I don't need to reread that thread because I remember it. It was just a day ago. And I didn't insult anyone. I just questioned some of the things you were saying. You have to learn to see the difference and not get so frustrated over everything.
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Ok since you seem to have all of the answers, how many calories does a pound of skeletal muscle burn? Don't forget to post proof
I told you. There is no numerical figure. What I burn isn't what you'll burn.
I'm not going to argue this with you anymore. I know from experience being enhanced makes a difference. A big one. You won't convince me otherwise. :)
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Prove it's 200 calories. In some people it's drastically more than that. In others it's less. You're trying to reduce a complicated organism like the human body to a single numeral. That's absurd in so many ways.
The muscle gained while on anabolic compounds not only affects fat loss it also has other effects. Faster protein synthesis. Quicker recovery. Higher oxygen intake in your muscle. More strength. Why the hell would people be on gear if it didn't affect their appearance drastically? The idea that juice has no effect on that is like saying driving a bike vs. a motorcycle isn't that big of a deal.
That is why all these dude with 12 inch arms are shredded and the dudes with boat loads of muscle that have 18 in arms a fat, ya because having muscle just melts fat off ::)
dont be so gullible mcfly
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I told you. There is no numerical figure. What I burn isn't what you'll burn.
I'm not going to argue this with you anymore. I know from experience being enhanced makes a difference. A big one. You won't convince me otherwise. :)
Concession accepted
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Your 'insults' don't bother me, as they're on the level of what people in junior high say to each other. So I'm not bothered in the least and definitely not intimidated. I've heard far worse on here. :)
I don't need to reread that thread because I remember it. It was just a day ago. And I didn't insult anyone. I just questioned some of the things you were saying. You have to learn to see the difference and not get so frustrated over everything.
^^^ what a rebel :D
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^^^ what a rebel :D
Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE :o
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Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE :o
;D
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That is why all these dude with 12 inch arms are shredded and the dudes with boat loads of muscle that have 18 in arms a fat, ya because having muscle just melts fat off ::)
dont be so gullible mcfly
What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
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Watch out, he's got EXPERIENCE :o
Do you? Doesn't look like it. Unless experience means running your mouth on the Internet.
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^^^ what a rebel :D
Why do you cry?
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What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
it means if your theory is true there would be more big guys that are ripped but the opposite is true, the bigger you are the harder it is to get ripped, ask anyone.
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it means if your theory is true there would be more big guys that are ripped but the opposite is true, the bigger you are the harder it is to get ripped, ask anyone.
All the 'big' guys I've seen in gyms who are using steroids and/or GH and work out regularly on a diet are sub-10%. All the ones who aren't enhanced are over 10%, usually significantly so.
As for the ripped guys without much muscle, they're usually running a lighter cycle as well. Few are 100% natural.
So it goes back to my original point. Your comment that juice has no impact on fat loss is bullshit.
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All the 'big' guys I've seen in gyms who are using steroids and/or GH and work out regularly on a diet are sub-10%. All the ones who aren't enhanced are over 10%, usually significantly so.
As for the ripped guys without much muscle, they're usually running a lighter cycle as well. Few are 100% natural.
So it goes back to my original point. Your comment that juice has no impact on fat loss is bullshit.
dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.
give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control
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dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.
give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control
water retention maybe?
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My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.
Just saying
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dude heavy weight bodybuilders are smooth and they do the most gear, light heavies are a bit harder, middles are shredded and light weights are slice to shit.
give it up. You are not on gear and you are fat and that is why you have to use the excuse that your fat because you are a nutural, it justifies your lack of self control
What do you have against fat people, assuming that's even true? (It isn't.)
You're showing your true colors here. You're not really trying to give anyone honest advice or share your experience to benefit their training/dieting. You're just here to troll and stoop to the lowest common denominator. It's why I can't take anything you say seriously. You're a fuckin' fraud. And everything you've said so far is contradicted by what most people know about drug use and its effects on muscle gain and fat loss.
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My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.
Just saying
Same. Although I've lost fat with something as simple as a50 and winstrol while running low carb without changing calories or doing cardio.
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My experience?
When on test alone Im pretty static weight and condition wise, when I add tren I get harder and lose fat, I dont really change my diet.
Just saying
your appearance is more muscular because you added muscle, you do not lose fat from the compound, the tren makes you draw out a lot of water which gives the appearance of being 3% less bodyfat.
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your appearance is more muscular because you added muscle, you do not lose fat from the compound, the tren makes you draw out a lot of water which gives the appearance of being 3% less bodyfat.
::) ::) ::) ::)
More bullshit from a bullshit artist.
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What do you have against fat people, assuming that's even true? (It isn't.)
You're showing your true colors here. You're not really trying to give anyone honest advice or share your experience to benefit their training/dieting. You're just here to troll and stoop to the lowest common denominator. It's why I can't take anything you say seriously. You're a fuckin' fraud. And everything you've said so far is contradicted by what most people know about drug use and its effects on muscle gain and fat loss.
lol, even my arch nemesis simple simon couldn't accuse me of that :D
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More bullshit from a bullshit artist.
My credibility is cemented here at getbig, I have paid my dues, don't need your approval ;)
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lol, even my arch nemesis simple simon couldn't accuse me of that :D
Don't deflect. This isn't about what other people think. It's about you being dishonest when you know better about a topic where you're supposedly a veteran. The fact is, if you were natural you'd look like a pile of shit covered in diarrhea sprinkles. The little glass bottles and the needles you shove up your ass keep you going.
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My credibility is cemented here at getbig, I have paid my dues, don't need your approval ;)
lol, credibility on getbig.com's gossip/opinions forum
that's very appropriate given the shit you've been spewing in this thread
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your appearance is more muscular because you added muscle, you do not lose fat from the compound, the tren makes you draw out a lot of water which gives the appearance of being 3% less bodyfat.
I have no idea what happens, I dont really question it, it always happens through, my abs start coming through more and my low back starts tightening up.
Adding the muscle allows my body to burn more calories and bring the fat through, which in essence is what icelord is alluding to (i think)
Sort of throws doubt on heavily muscled guys not being able to get super ripped though.
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I have no idea what it happens, I dont really question it, it always happens through, my abs start coming through more and my low back starts tightening up.
Adding the muscle allows my body to burn more calories and bring the fat through, which in essence is what icelord is alluding to (i think)
Sort of throws doubt on heavily muscled guys not being able to get super ripped though.
Exactly. Guys who are carrying a lot of muscle and water/fat aren't dieting to lose any. They're either bulking or powerlifters.
Literally there isn't one competitive bodybuilder at my gym with a respectable amount of size who isn't lean enough to see his abs year-round. They have all that telltale "taut" skin look, even if it's smooth from water. Don't see any naturals who resemble anything close to that.
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I have no idea what happens, I dont really question it, it always happens through, my abs start coming through more and my low back starts tightening up.
Adding the muscle allows my body to burn more calories and bring the fat through, which in essence is what icelord is alluding to (i think)
Sort of throws doubt on heavily muscled guys not being able to get super ripped though.
its true I agree that muscle has an effect on metabolism but people dieting on a no carb approach or even a low carb approach, the muscle is irrelevant, you will be shredded in no time regardless whether you have muscle or not or whether you are on gear or not.
Saying gear helps you get shredded is a cop out for naturals.