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http://thinksteroids.com/forum/steroid-forum/bostin-loyd-discuss-gear-134347234.html
Fake or False?
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I cannot image this is real.
Maybe a top mr olympia competitor....
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unfortunately some do go this high but certainly not the norm, not even for the pros, 6 grams is very common. I would say 6-9 is the norm among the freaks.
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unfortunately some do go this high but certainly not the norm, not even for the pros, 6 grams is very common. I would say 6-9 is the norm among the freaks.
Dexter jackson gets by using way less then those amounts. Some guys can just get by with way less.
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not unbelieveable, as there were guys (pro's and 'top' npc guys) in the 90's using 10+g per week.. a few are common knowledge... and if there were a handful of guys I know about, you can be sure there are dozens if not hundreds of other 'regular gym guys' who've used 10+g/wk (imagine how many AAS suppliers have tried 10g or more.. imagine how many here WOULD try 10+g/wk if they had unlimited supply at an average cost of about $20/wk).
huge doses of AAS doesn't automatically equal a "freak physique".
it takes a combination of drugs + the right NUTRITION! to attain 'that' look.
bostin, obviously, hasn't mastered the nutrition part yet... which many times means forcing yourself to eat when you don't want to. (eating what you DON'T want, when you DON'T want it, in amounts you DON'T want to eat)
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Dexter jackson gets by using way less then those amounts. Some guys can just get by with way less.
maybe some can do less then 6 gs, I wouldn't say WAY less though, not at the Olympia level
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not unbelieveable, as there were guys (pro's and 'top' npc guys) in the 90's using 10+g per week.. a few are common knowledge... and if there were a handful of guys I know about, you can be sure there are dozens if not hundreds of other 'regular gym guys' who've used 10+g/wk (imagine how many AAS suppliers have tried 10g or more.. imagine how many here WOULD try 10+g/wk if they had unlimited supply at an average cost of about $20/wk).
huge doses of AAS doesn't automatically equal a "freak physique".
it takes a combination of drugs + the right NUTRITION! to attain 'that' look.
bostin, obviously, hasn't mastered the nutrition part yet... which many times means forcing yourself to eat when you don't want to. (eating what you DON'T want, when you DON'T want it, in amounts you DON'T want to eat)
Ya I know a few who do more then 10gs as well.
But 2 of the most insane freak of all freak dosages of all time that I have encountered that still make me quench my teeth when I think about it is.
1 guy doing 1 bottle of test suspension per day and a hand full of orals and the craziest of all craziest that puts Boston's numbers to shame is a guy doing 51IU of pharm grade gh per day.
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not unbelieveable, as there were guys (pro's and 'top' npc guys) in the 90's using 10+g per week.. a few are common knowledge... and if there were a handful of guys I know about, you can be sure there are dozens if not hundreds of other 'regular gym guys' who've used 10+g/wk (imagine how many AAS suppliers have tried 10g or more.. imagine how many here WOULD try 10+g/wk if they had unlimited supply at an average cost of about $20/wk).
huge doses of AAS doesn't automatically equal a "freak physique".
it takes a combination of drugs + the right NUTRITION! to attain 'that' look.
bostin, obviously, hasn't mastered the nutrition part yet... which many times means forcing yourself to eat when you don't want to. (eating what you DON'T want, when you DON'T want it, in amounts you DON'T want to eat)
Not trying to start an argument but wouldn't that just make you fatter and fatter?
Once you have enough cals over maintenance to enable muscle growth then eating way over and above just makes you a shitting machine.
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Not trying to start an argument but wouldn't that just make you fatter and fatter?
Once you have enough cals over maintenance to enable muscle growth then eating way over and above just makes you a shitting machine.
to sustain 300lb you need a lot of food, so much to the point where it becomes uncomfortable to eat
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not unbelieveable, as there were guys (pro's and 'top' npc guys) in the 90's using 10+g per week.. a few are common knowledge... and if there were a handful of guys I know about, you can be sure there are dozens if not hundreds of other 'regular gym guys' who've used 10+g/wk (imagine how many AAS suppliers have tried 10g or more.. imagine how many here WOULD try 10+g/wk if they had unlimited supply at an average cost of about $20/wk).
huge doses of AAS doesn't automatically equal a "freak physique".
it takes a combination of drugs + the right NUTRITION! to attain 'that' look.
bostin, obviously, hasn't mastered the nutrition part yet... which many times means forcing yourself to eat when you don't want to. (eating what you DON'T want, when you DON'T want it, in amounts you DON'T want to eat)
Actually Bostin said at some point that when he was younger and started juicing (I think 18 he did his first injectable cycle), he used to force feed himself and just got fat. He said if you're going to start eating more up the drugs with the food, otherwise don't eat what's not necessary. He doesn't seem to follow his own advice today though, since he's on DNP to, and I quote, "be able to see his own dick when taking a piss."
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Actually Bostin said at some point that when he was younger and started juicing (I think 18 he did his first injectable cycle), he used to force feed himself and just got fat. He said if you're going to start eating more up the drugs with the food, otherwise don't eat what's not necessary. He doesn't seem to follow his own advice today though, since he's on DNP to, and I quote, "be able to see his own dick when taking a piss."
I remember that.. but that was with John oreagan's coaching.. I'm not 100% sure of what john's nutrition 'methods' are comprised of.
it's not necessarily forcing yourself to eat till your sick.. getting your nutrition 'right' is about finding out what to eat and how much (and when) to eat for your own body.
bostin's fat because he's a fat kid. look at his face and bone structure.. he's a fat kid.
maybe if he runs a decent dose of gh things will change for him... maybe he should get in touch with John Meadows or something... hell... even BLP may be able to help him. lol
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Eric Lilliebridge, a powerlifter, recently released his cycle leading up to his latest meet.
It was 1g of testosterone a week and 300mg of both anadrol and dianabol a day for the entire 10 weeks leading up to the meet
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Eric Lilliebridge, a powerlifter, recently released his cycle leading up to his latest meet.
It was 1g of testosterone a week and 300mg of both anadrol and dianabol a day for the entire 10 weeks leading up to the meet
and that's the sanitized version of it
you can usually double the dose on what people fess up to and you'll have the real number. probably doing at least twice as much test, gh and enough stims to kill a baby elephant
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Eric Lilliebridge, a powerlifter, recently released his cycle leading up to his latest meet.
It was 1g of testosterone a week and 300mg of both anadrol and dianabol a day for the entire 10 weeks leading up to the meet
300 of anadrol and 300 of dbol? ufff da.. that gives me heartburn just thinking about it.
150mg doses of dbol hurt my tummy now.
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Pete Grymkowski admitted to taking 10g of test a day. And that was back when gear was actually decent! People have done crazier amounts than Bostin, they just don't talk about it or down play it as much as possible. In Bostin's case, he's lucky if he got 6-8 grams out of all that under dosed garbage.
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to sustain 300lb you need a lot of food, so much to the point where it becomes uncomfortable to eat
Yep but most guys offseason at 300lbs are around 230 to 250 max onstage.
So all that food isnt doing anything to retain the muscle, its just holding the fat and water.
It would make more sense to eat less and stay at 260, healthier and they could see their progress.
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Yep but most guys offseason at 300lbs are around 230 to 250 max onstage.
So all that food isnt doing anything to retain the muscle, its just holding the fat and water.
It would make more sense to eat less and stay at 260, healthier and they could see their progress.
The truth is one of the culprits for not getting huge when mega dosing is because people do not eat enough for the intended weight, 10 to 20 lb of muscle once you are competing over 200lb requires more food and its hard to do.
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The truth is one of the culprits for not getting huge when mega dosing is because people do not eat enough for the intended weight, 10 to 20 lb of muscle once you are competing over 200lb requires more food and its hard to do.
agreed, but excess food equals excess body fat
Protein builds muscle not huge excesses of calories.
You can gain the same amount of muscle eating 300 cals over your maintenance as you can eating 3000 over.
Its genetic response to gear, pure and simple.
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agreed, but excess food equals excess body fat
Protein builds muscle not huge excesses of calories.
You can gain the same amount of muscle eating 300 cals over your maintenance as you can eating 3000 over.
Its genetic response to gear, pure and simple.
why do you have to make an argument over everything, people struggle eating, especially mega dosing, eat more = more muscle, simple as that.
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why do you have to make an argument over everything, people struggle eating, especially mega dosing, eat more = more muscle, simple as that.
Its not an argument, its a point and a valid once hence your lack of a counter.
300 cals a day over maintenance isn't hard, 3000 cals is.
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Its not an argument, its a point and a valid once hence your lack of a counter.
300 cals a day over maintenance isn't hard, 3000 cals is.
Bro I know what you mean and yes I get it most people eat unnecessary amounts and permabulkers mistaken added bloated fat weight for muscle and yes eating to much is dumb dumb dumb, I know your right but in his particular post he was referring to eating more is better while increasing dosage versus just increasing dosage and not eating more, they tend to go hand and hand.
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Bro I know what you mean and yes I get it most people eat unnecessary amounts and permabulkers mistaken added bloated fat weight for muscle and yes eating to much is dumb dumb dumb, I know your right but in his particular post he was referring to eating more is better while increasing dosage versus just increasing dosage and not eating more, they tend to go hand and hand.
Agreed
Phew!
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when you're eating 1500kcal, 300kcal is 20%.
when you're eating 3000kcal, 300kcal is 10%
just doing an easy BMR calculation, a 25yr old kid who's 6ft tall, weighs 250lbs and is 'very' active would need 4085 kcal per day to maintain bodyweight.
so, in terms of percentages, adding 300kcals to a 1500kcal diet is the equivilant to adding nearly 1000kcal to a 4000kcal diet.
so, who's 'grossly overeating'? the 1500kcal guy eating an extra slice of pizza per day? or the 250lb 4000kcal guy eating an extra 3.5 slices of pizza per day?
the answer is they're the fucking same.
#1 it takes a certain amout of food (kcals... kcal's = energy for those of you who skipped 3rd period bio to smoke weed and giggle in h.s.)
#2 it takes a certain amount of food OVER AND BEYOND BMR to GROW (grow= storing/repairing tissue)
there's no way you're going to continue to grow if you're not eating enough kcals, not even if your diet consists of 90% protein and 10% fats and carbs.
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when you're eating 1500kcal, 300kcal is 20%.
when you're eating 3000kcal, 300kcal is 10%
just doing an easy BMR calculation, a 25yr old kid who's 6ft tall, weighs 250lbs and is 'very' active would need 4085 kcal per day to maintain bodyweight.
so, in terms of percentages, adding 300kcals to a 1500kcal diet is the equivilant to adding nearly 1000kcal to a 4000kcal diet.
so, who's 'grossly overeating'? the 1500kcal guy eating an extra slice of pizza per day? or the 250lb 4000kcal guy eating an extra 3.5 slices of pizza per day?
the answer is they're the fucking same.
#1 it takes a certain amout of food (kcals... kcal's = energy for those of you who skipped 3rd period bio to smoke weed and giggle in h.s.)
#2 it takes a certain amount of food OVER AND BEYOND BMR to GROW (grow= storing/repairing tissue)
there's no way you're going to continue to grow if you're not eating enough kcals, not even if your diet consists of 90% protein and 10% fats and carbs.
and if you are getting fatter every week you are eating too much.
easier than all those calculations.
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and if you are getting fatter every week you are eating too much.
easier than all those calculations.
and in what fantasy world do bbers only eat enough to gain only lean muscle?
if you're a bber, you should know how to diet off the extra fat.
so by 'eating too much' means you're not getting fatter, then eating just enough means you're not getting fatter? i.e. staying the same?
if your only goal is to be lean everyday of the year and walk around with abs, serratus, xmas tree, and ripped glutes (all hidden under shirts and pants), then that's fine.
but for the majority of bbers, especially bbers using anabolics, bbing is about building muscle and training.. and if everyday is a contest to you, how do you expect to make any progress?
you have to make a choice and decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
you want to diet and suffer and deprive yourself of food, and have shitty workouts because you're kcal-restricted? that's fine.... but in my opinion, most would prefer to have enough kcals and energy and have great workouts and be happy for the majority of the year and suffer and kcal-restrict only when they need to.
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Poor Bostin, all that test at a young age didnt make his pecker grow. :-[
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What a stupid douche nobody needs that much test.
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and in what fantasy world do bbers only eat enough to gain only lean muscle?
if you're a bber, you should know how to diet off the extra fat.
so by 'eating too much' means you're not getting fatter, then eating just enough means you're not getting fatter? i.e. staying the same?
if your only goal is to be lean everyday of the year and walk around with abs, serratus, xmas tree, and ripped glutes (all hidden under shirts and pants), then that's fine.
but for the majority of bbers, especially bbers using anabolics, bbing is about building muscle and training.. and if everyday is a contest to you, how do you expect to make any progress?
you have to make a choice and decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
you want to diet and suffer and deprive yourself of food, and have shitty workouts because you're kcal-restricted? that's fine.... but in my opinion, most would prefer to have enough kcals and energy and have great workouts and be happy for the majority of the year and suffer and kcal-restrict only when they need to.
All other things being equal, does the guy adding an ounce of fat per week gain any less muscle than the guy adding a pound per week?
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and in what fantasy world do bbers only eat enough to gain only lean muscle?
if you're a bber, you should know how to diet off the extra fat.
so by 'eating too much' means you're not getting fatter, then eating just enough means you're not getting fatter? i.e. staying the same?
if your only goal is to be lean everyday of the year and walk around with abs, serratus, xmas tree, and ripped glutes (all hidden under shirts and pants), then that's fine.
but for the majority of bbers, especially bbers using anabolics, bbing is about building muscle and training.. and if everyday is a contest to you, how do you expect to make any progress?
you have to make a choice and decide if the juice is worth the squeeze.
you want to diet and suffer and deprive yourself of food, and have shitty workouts because you're kcal-restricted? that's fine.... but in my opinion, most would prefer to have enough kcals and energy and have great workouts and be happy for the majority of the year and suffer and kcal-restrict only when they need to.
I know guys who do this shit. They try to stay lean all year and they make ZERO progress! They always look he same. They maybe look lean and it is easier to get ready for a show but how do you place better if you look the same and didn;t even crack the top 5 of a show? I think at some point getting a little buit of extra bodyfat is not a horrible idea. If your know how to work-out and what drugs to use you can cutt fat easy. some guys just scared to bulk to hard or just can't handle the food intake.
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I know plenty of guys who have gone over 8g's a week for extended periods of time. I've personally done 5g's for about 8 months or so.
It's not uncommon at all for guys with "all or nothing" personalities to use enough gear to push the limit. These guys are willing to do anything to get big, it's kind of crazy when you think about it, but i have known so many body builders, power lifters and just plain gym rats who use doses that would make most people cringe.
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I think boston is lying about how much he takes. He targets a certain UGL lab in that video and says they underdosed his stuff to. So in my opinion if he is marrying dave palumbo's daughter he should have plenty of access to ugl labs since dave basically owns a forum. And im sure has connections of his own. I think everything bostin is doing is to attract stupid people to pay him to train them and sell them gear or point them in the direction of a ugl. I don't hate the guy or anything if anything I feel bad for him because at the amount of steroids and shit he is taking in his body a alcoholic has got to have a longer life span.
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I think boston is lying about how much he takes. He targets a certain UGL lab in that video and says they underdosed his stuff to. So in my opinion if he is marrying dave palumbo's daughter he should have plenty of access to ugl labs since dave basically owns a forum. And im sure has connections of his own. I think everything bostin is doing is to attract stupid people to pay him to train them and sell them gear or point them in the direction of a ugl. I don't hate the guy or anything if anything I feel bad for him because at the amount of steroids and shit he is taking in his body a alcoholic has got to have a longer life span.
There's just one flaw in your argument. He's not marrying Dave Palumbo's daughter. Dave doesn't have kids and probably never will.
As for his gear use, I wouldn't put it past him to use that much shit. I mean, his ARM almost fell off. How many bodybuilders prepping for a show have to pull out because they fucked up a shot that badly, unless they shoot as much oil as he did.
As for the gear being underdosed, that's not such a crazy idea. Most UGL gear is underdosed. And he never promotes any brand saying that one is better than the other.
I can only think of one reason he'd lie about doing so much juice and that's only to get people interested in him and kids to hire him as their prep coach. And that could be reason enough, but I doubt it.
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Agreed
Phew!
Bro you are not wrong in most of your arguments, you are really intelligent and I mean that but you sometimes give others a hard time for the hell of it, not so nice :D
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I think boston is lying about how much he takes. He targets a certain UGL lab in that video and says they underdosed his stuff to. So in my opinion if he is marrying dave palumbo's daughter he should have plenty of access to ugl labs since dave basically owns a forum. And im sure has connections of his own. I think everything bostin is doing is to attract stupid people to pay him to train them and sell them gear or point them in the direction of a ugl. I don't hate the guy or anything if anything I feel bad for him because at the amount of steroids and shit he is taking in his body a alcoholic has got to have a longer life span.
You have to factor in 2 important things here.
1. he tapers up towards his intended goal, so people mis quote him with 13 grams per week because the 13 grams is only the final week or 2 where 10 weeks prior he is only at 4-5 grams. The average throughout the contest prep now becomes closer to 8 or 9 in this case and not 13.
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2. All bodybuilders have their intended protocol and everyone always fall short. Impossible to keep up and do everything as required, it just is, that is the way it works out, some days your burnt, you don't inject, other days headache, stomach cramps, lazyness, so knock off 10% off his intended weekly dosages
That's it.
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You have to factor in 2 important things here.
1. he tapers up towards his intended goal, so people mis quote him with 13 grams per week because the 13 grams is only the final week or 2 where 10 weeks prior he is only at 4-5 grams. The average throughout the contest prep now becomes closer to 8 or 9 in this case and not 13.
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2. All bodybuilders have their intended protocol and everyone always fall short. Impossible to keep up and do everything as required, it just is, that is the way it works out, some days your burnt, you don't inject, other days headache, stomach cramps, lazyness, so knock off 10% off his intended weekly dosages
That's it.
I dont understand the reasoning tapering up to a show.
You are not taking in anywhere near enough to get anything from the added Mgs, believe me I know from experience.
Surely you are better on higher dosages off season and the first part of your prep.
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Dexter jackson gets by using way less then those amounts. Some guys can just get by with way less.
dexter is far from the biggest pro though
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dexter is far from the biggest pro though
Its genetic response to drugs, it has little to do with amounts.
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I dont understand the reasoning tapering up to a show.
You are not taking in anywhere near enough to get anything from the added Mgs, believe me I know from experience.
Surely you are better on higher dosages off season and the first part of your prep.
not true
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You have to factor in 2 important things here.
1. he tapers up towards his intended goal, so people mis quote him with 13 grams per week because the 13 grams is only the final week or 2 where 10 weeks prior he is only at 4-5 grams. The average throughout the contest prep now becomes closer to 8 or 9 in this case and not 13.
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2. All bodybuilders have their intended protocol and everyone always fall short. Impossible to keep up and do everything as required, it just is, that is the way it works out, some days your burnt, you don't inject, other days headache, stomach cramps, lazyness, so knock off 10% off his intended weekly dosages
That's it.
this x2.
it's a rare thing for me to do/take everything 100% on schedule for more than 2 weeks in a row.
I remember reading an interview with Lee Priest where he talked about the time Paul Dillet was living with him and they'd load up winstrol syringes and not get around to injecting them for a few days. I thought that was fucking stupid and that I couldn't fathom doing that (when I was still pretty new to PED's)... but sure enough, 16yrs later, and I'm doing it weekly. i'll load up 4 full pins and only shoot two and leave the other 2 sitting on my bathroom sink for a couple days till I'm not too exhausted or in a rush to shoot them.
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I dont understand the reasoning tapering up to a show.
You are not taking in anywhere near enough to get anything from the added Mgs, believe me I know from experience.
Surely you are better on higher dosages off season and the first part of your prep.
increased hardness and vascularity
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this x2.
it's a rare thing for me to do/take everything 100% on schedule for more than 2 weeks in a row.
I remember reading an interview with Lee Priest where he talked about the time Paul Dillet was living with him and they'd load up winstrol syringes and not get around to injecting them for a few days. I thought that was fucking stupid and that I couldn't fathom doing that (when I was still pretty new to PED's)... but sure enough, 16yrs later, and I'm doing it weekly. i'll load up 4 full pins and only shoot two and leave the other 2 sitting on my bathroom sink for a couple days till I'm not too exhausted or in a rush to shoot them.
yup, I know many who get 30 bottles for their 4-6 month game plan and it work out mathematically to a T and lo and behold at the end they have 6-8 bottles left.
No one keeps up to their intended protocol, they simply do as much as they can handle.
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increased hardness and vascularity
slight increase, however it doesnt warrant the higher dose (in my experience)
I would have got harder and vascular by adding carbs.
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slight increase, however it doesnt warrant the higher dose (in my experience)
I would have got harder and vascular by adding carbs.
depends on how high and what drugs.
increasing the dose of anadrol, halotestin, masteron, tren, proviron, winstrol, ect (the 'harsher', usually dht-derived drugs)... will 9 times out of 10 give a harder, grainier, more vascular physique whether your carbed up or flat.
the difference between 100 and 300mg anadrol, or 20mg and 50mg halotestin, or 100mg and 250mg winstrol should not be 'slight'... at contest ready bf, the difference should be very noticeable, even (or especially) when fully depleted and flat.
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depends on how high and what drugs.
increasing the dose of anadrol, halotestin, masteron, tren, proviron, winstrol, ect (the 'harsher', usually dht-derived drugs)... will 9 times out of 10 give a harder, grainier, more vascular physique whether your carbed up or flat.
the difference between 100 and 300mg anadrol, or 20mg and 50mg halotestin, or 100mg and 250mg winstrol should not be 'slight'... at contest ready bf, the difference should be very noticeable, even (or especially) when fully depleted and flat.
EXCELLENT POST ;)
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There's just one flaw in your argument. He's not marrying Dave Palumbo's daughter. Dave doesn't have kids and probably never will.
As for his gear use, I wouldn't put it past him to use that much shit. I mean, his ARM almost fell off. How many bodybuilders prepping for a show have to pull out because they fucked up a shot that badly, unless they shoot as much oil as he did.
As for the gear being underdosed, that's not such a crazy idea. Most UGL gear is underdosed. And he never promotes any brand saying that one is better than the other.
I can only think of one reason he'd lie about doing so much juice and that's only to get people interested in him and kids to hire him as their prep coach. And that could be reason enough, but I doubt it.
Lol your right dave doesn't have a daughter. I guess that is a big coincidence that the girls last name he is marrying is palumbo. At least you can see where I got confused on that part.