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I would put him 3-4 place.
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i love seeing a bit of argy bargy during the posedown (no homo) ronnie, mentally, as well as physically, destroying all comers
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Flex and Ronnie absolutely dominated stage, I am 100% sure that they would destroy Phil or Kai today. 8)
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If he comes 100% I would give him 2nd place.
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He wouldn't of been in that call-out.
His closest competition was ray. I would place heath in front just cuz I hate ray. Even less likeable of a character.
Cormier is sick as fuck.
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Ray looks dam good there. (no homo)
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Not even crossing the line would save him there. He'd have to jump on the judge's table to stand a chance for the top 5.
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Heath would be 2nd place. Flex was a bag of oil and should have been beaten by Cormier in '99.
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He wouldn't of been in that call-out.
His closest competition was ray. I would place heath in front just cuz I hate ray. Even less likeable of a character.
Cormier is sick as fuck.
C'mon, regardless of what you think of him character wise Ray had a great physique.
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Heath could come in still 1. place or maybe 2nd.
Kai not top 3
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Heath would be 2nd place. Flex was a bag of oil and should have been beaten by Cormier in '99.
Drug prescription plan was different back than, so Heath's structure would hurt him against that lineup. He's top 5 but not the winner. It's like saying, how would Lebron lead a team in the era of Jordan, Bird, Magic and the Piston BadBoys? Lebron would have zero rings along with Heath's zero sandows. They couldn't even give one to Cutler back than. Kai would just be a freak like Platz, Dillet and the other sideshows of that era.
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I would have Heath #2.
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battle for third between Cormier
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Heath would not have been in this call out.
Heath could have never, never placed in front of Kev, Flex Ray or Chris.
If he was 100% on and Nas was off, could maybe take him but probably not.
Al these guys have great too incredible structures.
Heaths structure very weak.
These fellas would always make Phil look like a lost little boy. Sorry.
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Heath's the champ. Those guys would concede.
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Phil would look like an amateur who doesn't fit in with the mix.
Kai is more freaky but Phil is more complete. Sad that these two are some of the best out there right now. Bodybuilding went down the shitter. Maybe I should crush a bottle of synthol and start abusing insulin like bostin dickhead recommends so I look like one of this generation's shitty gym rats?
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Flex wheeler looks absolutely insane! I have him winning that show. I saw them all a few weeks out and even then Ronnie looked like a mess and flex looked peak.
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Not even crossing the line would save him there. He'd have to jump on duck below the judge's table to stand a chance for the top 5.
Fixed.
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In the end Phil has 3 Mr O titles... That's all that matters
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1999 Olympia - IFBB
1 Ronnie Coleman
2 Ken Wheeler (Flex)
3 Chris Cormier
4 Kevin Levrone
5 Shawn Ray
6 Nasser El Sonbaty
7 Paul Dillett
8 Lee Priest
9 Dexter Jackson
10 Milos Sarcev
11 Mike Matarazzo
12 Markus Rühl
13 Ernie Taylor
14 Pavol Jablonicky
15 Jay Cutler
16 Jean Pierre Fux
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Phil would have killed all from the back except Ronnie, been a little behind from the front and a little ahead from the side.
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No
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phil and dexter jackson are the same size. dexter got 9th
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The guy sponsored by Muscletech wins.
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He wouldn't of been in that call-out.
His closest competition was ray. I would place heath in front just cuz I hate ray. Even less likeable of a character.
Cormier is sick as fuck.
Ray is great, Cormier is dog excrement.
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I do not think he would. Heath would be in the top 6 or 7.
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To be fair, Phil can be 2nd in this line up. Phil is way more complete than Flex.
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I got Phil in 8th behind Dillet.
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phil and dexter jackson are the same size. dexter got 9th
with that argument you might as well say Jay placed 15th and him and Phil are close ;)
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with that argument you might as well say Jay placed 15th and him and Phil are close ;)
OTH, hopefully you know that i'm aware that bodybuilding is more than just taking up space. but I truly believe Phil and Dex are more or less equal physique wise, and BOTH would look small in this lineup.
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Looking back IMO Cormier should have been 2nd and Wheeler 3rd. There is no way Phil would look small next to Flex or Cormier.
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Ronnie was incredible here. Flex Wheeler was probably one of the most symmetrical bodybuilders on stage that night. But the same question - muscularity vs symmetry is always played, and usually muscularity wins.
as for Phil Heath, Ronnie was the #1 bodybuilder and would of stayed that way.
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This would be the 1st and the last callout by a countrymile, and anyone else would stand in the background crying. Anyone who's claiming anything else is completely clueless. Those guys today are in a whole different league.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NBjTduUbQUo/UjpWAfVQeeI/AAAAAAAAGdc/NLHqzIcy6Vk/s640/Kai-Grene-vs-Phil-Heath-2012-Olympia-Back.jpg)
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This would be the 1st and the last callout by a countrymile, and anyone else would stand in the background crying. Anyone who's claiming anything else is completely clueless. Those guys today are in a whole different league.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NBjTduUbQUo/UjpWAfVQeeI/AAAAAAAAGdc/NLHqzIcy6Vk/s640/Kai-Grene-vs-Phil-Heath-2012-Olympia-Back.jpg)
you know absolutely nothing. Ronnie destroys Kai and Phil.
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and yet ronnie back in those days would have destroyed them both
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This would be the 1st and the last callout by a countrymile, and anyone else would stand in the background crying. Anyone who's claiming anything else is completely clueless. Those guys today are in a whole different league.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NBjTduUbQUo/UjpWAfVQeeI/AAAAAAAAGdc/NLHqzIcy6Vk/s640/Kai-Grene-vs-Phil-Heath-2012-Olympia-Back.jpg)
ronnie destroying little phil.
Heath looks like an amateur compared to Ronnie.
(http://traineatgain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/eq2nw4.png)
Ronnie destroying him from the back
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2012/11/MTLrX-1.jpg)
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here's Dex vs. heath and Dex vs. Ronnie.
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and yet ronnie back in those days would have destroyed them both
Yeah, can you imagine how Phil would look like on a 90s VHS under that kind of lightning? lmao
Not even with Photoshop u could creat that kind of sharpening effect ;D
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here's Dex vs. heath and Dex vs. Ronnie.
Good point. And here's Heath vs Jay and Jay vs Ronnie ::)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2013/04/529415_10151533298373340_115078326_n-1.jpg) (http://anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/Mr-Olympia-2005-3.jpg)
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Heath would not have been in this call out.
Heath could have never, never placed in front of Kev, Flex Ray or Chris.
If he was 100% on and Nas was off, could maybe take him but probably not.
Al these guys have great too incredible structures.
Heaths structure very weak.
These fellas would always make Phil look like a lost little boy. Sorry.
Wouldbt make top 10... Not on the same level as ray levrone Nasser dillet Cormier ., I won't even mention flex or Coleman
Heath is overrated much
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We have to remember that in 1999, most if not all of the early 90s gods were burned out, shadows of their former level... Except Coleman and Cormier, who looked phenomenal, top two at that show, imo... Flex oilbag, Nasser the same, Dillett was at 40% of his top shape, Levrone same, and so on, most of them burned out... Still i would put peak Heath (2010-2011) in the lower top 10...
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Ronnie would win so easy it's not even funny. Game over!!!
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OTH, hopefully you know that i'm aware that bodybuilding is more than just taking up space. but I truly believe Phil and Dex are more or less equal physique wise, and BOTH would look small in this lineup.
ya but to say Phil would place that low is outrageous. You know how they judge, it is not who we prefer up there, it is the IFBB and they would have Phil in the first call out, whoever is saying they wouldn't is due to preference not knowledge on how they judge at this level in the IFBB
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Ronnie would win so easy it's not even funny. Game over!!!
You must be either smokin' crack or blind. Look at their lower back goddammit! Coleman's back is paper-thin compared to Kai! Kai's back is 3'' "deeper" with 15 pds more beef overall :o
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ya but to say Phil would place that low is outrageous. You know how they judge, it is not who we prefer up there, it is the IFBB and they would have Phil in the first call out, whoever is saying they wouldn't is due to preference not knowledge on how they judge at this level in the IFBB
Good post, its not really about the best physique anymore, its about marketability.
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You must be either smokin' crack or blind. Look at their lower back goddammit! Coleman's back is paper-thin compared to Kai! Kai's back is 3'' "deeper" with 15 pds more beef overall :o
I like how you conveniently skipped over the pics I posted. Youre either dumb or blind if you think Phil was a better bodybuilder than Ronnie.
Heath looks like an amateur compared to Ronnie.
(http://traineatgain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/eq2nw4.png)
(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2012/11/MTLrX-1.jpg)
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I like how you conveniently skipped over the pics I posted. Youre either dumb or blind if you think Phil was a better bodybuilder than Ronnie.
Heath looks like an amateur compared to Ronnie.
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2012/12/41896b582c2f-1.jpg)
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2012/12/41896b582c2f-1.jpg)
Thanks for proving my point. The only thing Phil has ronnie beat on is arms. Phil has no width, shit chest and small legs.
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Ronnie has better traps, more striated, and vascular, bigger shoulders, biggest chest.
(http://i.imgur.com/xGlpMER.jpg)
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Yeah, can you imagine how Phil would look like on a 90s VHS under that kind of lightning? lmao
Not even with Photoshop u could creat that kind of sharpening effect ;D
Phils structure would never be able to stand next to Ronnie.
Hes comparable to Dex in width, and dex is known as little ronnie because ronnje dwarfed him.
sorry bro, I know you love to jump on whoever the current bandwagon is, but Phil is too narrow to carry ronnies jockstrap. ... it would be wider than he is.
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I agree that Phil's narrow frame which is a structural flaw, Takes him out of the running. The highest I would put him if I were a judge and all things are equal is 5th.
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(http://musclemecca.com/imported-images/2012/12/41896b582c2f-1.jpg)
Lol @ posting lics where phil appears wider than ronnie.
Percfectly comparison pics, the scald isnt off at all. You go guy. :D
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1999 Olympia - IFBB
1 Ronnie Coleman
2 Ken Wheeler (Flex)
3 Chris Cormier
4 Kevin Levrone
5 Shawn Ray
6 Nasser El Sonbaty
7 Paul Dillett
8 Lee Priest
9 Dexter Jackson
10 Milos Sarcev
11 Mike Matarazzo
12 Markus Rühl
13 Ernie Taylor
14 Pavol Jablonicky
15 Jay Cutler
16 Jean Pierre Fux
Hard to really compare.
In that line up... maybe
Around 6th / 7th.
Depth of quality was so
much Better then.
Drier & harder looking
than now.
Oh for a time machine.
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Ronnie would leave Heath for dead.
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Ronnie would leave Heath for dead.
Without question.
Heath would disappear next to the Ronster, or Doz.
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We have to remember that in 1999, most if not all of the early 90s gods were burned out, shadows of their former level... Except Coleman and Cormier, who looked phenomenal, top two at that show, imo... Flex oilbag, Nasser the same, Dillett was at 40% of his top shape, Levrone same, and so on, most of them burned out... Still i would put peak Heath (2010-2011) in the lower top 10...
Yeah it was close between Ronnie and Cormier that day
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1999 Olympia - IFBB
1 Ronnie Coleman
2 Ken Wheeler (Flex)
3 Chris Cormier
4 Kevin Levrone
5 Shawn Ray
6 Nasser El Sonbaty
7 Paul Dillett
8 Lee Priest
9 Dexter Jackson
10 Milos Sarcev
11 Mike Matarazzo
12 Markus Rühl
13 Ernie Taylor
14 Pavol Jablonicky
15 Jay Cutler
16 Jean Pierre Fux
a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...
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a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...
Ruhl got robbed from day 1 as a pro. Was already a super-freak back then :o
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There's way less variety in physiques nowadays. You can predict 7-8 of top 10 every O with ease. Shame.
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Ronnie is the greatest of all time. No one could touch Ronnie at his best. However, if Phil Heath came in at 100% he would have beat 3 to 4 versions of Ronnie at the Olympia (2002, 2004, 2005, maybe 01). Phil is always shredded, always big. You guys have your "nostalgia" goggles on. Everyone had flaws. Ray was small, Wheeler was narrow from the back and lacked ham/glute conditioning(also weird shoulders). Levrone wasn't 100 and didn't have the wheels nor the back Heath has. Cormier would have battled with him in 99 but Heath's conditioning/density would win out.
Lets talk about what Heath beats Ronnie in. Heath has better calves, better separation in his thighs and better abs(although not great). Heath has a bdb that is about on par with Ronnies, although he lacks the width Ronnie had on the rear lat spread but Heath would be able to hang where these other guys would fall off.
Phil is a 3xMr. Olympia. For whatever reason people are bashing Phil but here is the bottom line- Phil has more Mr. Olympias than Wheeler, Levrone, Ray, Cormier, El Sonbaty combined. And no way in hell Phil beats Ronnie in 99. End of thread.
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Ronnie is the greatest of all time. No one could touch Ronnie at his best. However, if Phil Heath came in at 100% he would have beat 3 to 4 versions of Ronnie at the Olympia (2002, 2004, 2005, maybe 01). Phil is always shredded, always big. You guys have your "nostalgia" goggles on. Everyone had flaws. Ray was small, Wheeler was narrow from the back and lacked ham/glute conditioning(also weird shoulders). Levrone wasn't 100 and didn't have the wheels nor the back Heath has. Cormier would have battled with him in 99 but Heath's conditioning/density would win out.
Lets talk about what Heath beats Ronnie in. Heath has better calves, better separation in his thighs and better abs(although not great). Heath has a bdb that is about on par with Ronnies, although he lacks the width Ronnie had on the rear lat spread but Heath would be able to hang where these other guys would fall off.
Phil is a 3xMr. Olympia. For whatever reason people are bashing Phil but here is the bottom line- Phil has more Mr. Olympias than Wheeler, Levrone, Ray, Cormier, El Sonbaty combined. And no way in hell Phil beats Ronnie in 99. End of thread.
I don't know who the fuck you think you are but you don't have the final say in these matters.
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I agree that Phil's narrow frame which is a structural flaw, Takes him out of the running. The highest I would put him if I were a judge and all things are equal is 5th.
shawn ray beautifally built 'nohomo'considered narrow..
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Ray is great, Cormier is dog excrement.
Did Cormier have a gangbang with your girl??
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You must be either smokin' crack or blind. Look at their lower back goddammit! Coleman's back is paper-thin compared to Kai! Kai's back is 3'' "deeper" with 15 pds more beef overall :o
No one has thicker lower lats than Kai and that's all Kai has on Coleman. Look at the rest of the pic. Kai has no chance.
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I just can not see Heath placing infront of Dillet.
Even sans back Paul was just so much drier than we have ever seen from blown up from the inside Phil.
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no one can top this kind of quality
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no one can top this kind of quality
No one can top that fuzzy, oversharpened pic, thats for sure.
Never understand wby you always resort to using the sharpened fuzzy pic, the HD one iceman posts is plenty impressive enough and then no one can call you on using iffy pics to prove a point.
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the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole
its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.
Heath doesn't come close.
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the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole
its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.
Heath doesn't come close.
This lic is legit and you know it.
The other is fuzzy and oversharpened, and you know it. Weve been over this, I dont care, as I totally agree ronnie would smash phil apart, but just stop your douchebaggery and post the legit HD pics. Theyre impressive enough
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the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole
its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.
Heath doesn't come close.
Affeman is such an idiot.
Look at those striations in ronnies chest. Everything about ronnie just beats phil.
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Not even crossing the line would save him there. He'd have to jump on the judge's table cock to stand a chance for the top 5.
;D
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the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole
its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.
Heath doesn't come close.
Yeah, noone doubts tha validity of your 90s VHS screencaps where everyone on stage looked shredded in comparison to the 2014 Full HD shots from Heath and Co ::)
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a Day when Ernie Taylor places ahead of Pavol and Mike Mattarazzo places ahead of Ruhl...
Americans vs aliens. Aliens always lose.
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I just can not see Heath placing infront of Dillet.
Even sans back Paul was just so much drier than we have ever seen from blown up from the inside Phil.
Depends on who is sponsored by Muscletech.
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the 'fuzzy oversharpened" (wrong) was from NeoSeminole
its as legit as they come. watch the 99 O. if you doubt its validity.
Heath doesn't come close.
I don't think he could beat chris here..
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Americans vs aliens. Aliens always lose.
yeah, but Ernie is English...
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shawn ray beautifally built 'nohomo'considered narrow..
On Shawn it is not as glaring cause he's around 5'7". At 5'9" Phil looks much more narrow because he's taller.
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I don't know who the fuck you think you are but you don't have the final say in these matters.
8) ;D