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Great strength-athlete
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thats some power right there :o
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That's essentially a two man 650lb incline bench.
I prefer da hulk for his showmanship.
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Not impressed next time try lifting without a spot.
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Not impressed next time try lifting without a spot.
You're kidding right?
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You're kidding right?
Why would he be?
I mean a spot is fine. But that guy is rowing the bar with him.
That lift would never pass in any respectable powerlifting organisation. You get help unracking the bar.
Then you lock it out, touch it to your chest, wait for a signal and press. Not have some little guy doing an upright row while you grunt like a fat retard.
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Why would he be?
I mean a spot is fine. But that guy is rowing the bar with him.
That lift would never pass in any respectable powerlifting organisation. You get help unracking the bar.
Then you lock it out, touch it to your chest, wait for a signal and press. Not have some little guy doing an upright row while you grunt like a fat retard.
Whew, good thing the guy is in a run of the mill Gold's and not a powerlifting meet. The spotter must've taken 350lbs off the lift!!
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Obviously the guy is crazy strong ... BUT AS OTHERS SAY, this is FAR from anything approaching legit.
Only folks who genuinely know strength training know just how much a spot like this guy's getting can aid in a lift. Like, easily more than 100 pounds.
Again, strong dude, but these "da hulk" 'tards need to tone it down.
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Lets see what he can really incline without the spotter taking off 100 or so pounds
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Obviously the guy is crazy strong ... BUT AS OTHERS SAY, this is FAR from anything approaching legit.
Only folks who genuinely know strength training know just how much a spot like this guy's getting can aid in a lift. Like, easily more than 100 pounds.
Again, strong dude, but these "da hulk" 'tards need to tone it down.
Fair enough, so it's a 550 incline. That's incredible pressing.
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Lets see what he can really incline without the spotter taking off 100 or so pounds
did you actually watch the video? the guy is hovering over the bench but watch his hands ... did not help him out much...if at all
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dan green should make one of these "hulk" vids and shut these assholes up
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Looks like I will have to stop the speculating. The guys name in the video is Leroy Walker and I have competed against him on several occasions. He is legitimately strong. Not 650 lb incline strong but strong. I have seen him fail with 595 and the best I have seen him do under comp conditions is 622.8. Not a bad guy, but a bit on the arrogant side and his last comp he upset a few people by doing a lot of trash talking, even the person "Sammy" spotting him in the video you see. So yes he is legit, but obviously the spotter is assisting him.
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did you actually watch the video? the guy is hovering over the bench but watch his hands ... did not help him out much...if at all
As I say, guy's strong as all hell, but ... c'mon.
Without a spot of any kind, he'd have a tough time doing 500 for a decent rep.
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That's essentially a two man 650lb incline bench.
I prefer da hulk for his showmanship.
I too prefer the black hulk.
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Shame on Leroy.
He competes and should know those dog shit lifts with the spot don't count and only make him look silly.
Would be much more impressive doing a bit over 500 with no spot.
Spoto and kirill own these clowns, hulk and Fletcher included.
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The spotter wasnt even doing his job right using underhand hovering assist...This was a gym lift...You never lift heavy weight without a spotter...
This place is so annoying sometimes...
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Crazy strong lift even if the spotter was taking off 50 to 100lbs.
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Amazing what drugs will do.
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Epic 7 inch ROM... ::)
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Epic 7 inch ROM... ::)
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ROFL
Men in gyms are fucking nuts ;D
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Not one shrug was performed that day.
During my 30 years of training and observing of people in the gym, I'd say at least 25-30% of gym members are mentally ill.
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I remember seeing a few of this guy's videos. His ROM was the pretty much the same in them all.
One was him military pressing on a smith machine with a ton of weight. He basically just un-racked it and re-racked it again. The ROM was probably no more than 2-3cm. :D
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Whew, good thing the guy is in a run of the mill Gold's and not a powerlifting meet. The spotter must've taken 350lbs off the lift!!
no but he did take off some, hence the title is not fulfilled
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Obviously the guy is crazy strong ... BUT AS OTHERS SAY, this is FAR from anything approaching legit.
Only folks who genuinely know strength training know just how much a spot like this guy's getting can aid in a lift. Like, easily more than 100 pounds.
Again, strong dude, but these "da hulk" 'tards need to tone it down.
thank you, now try telling this to coach, i argued with him about this, he claimed touching the bar does nothing and does not make a difference at all and I thought half of getbig was going to jump in and crucify him but to my surprised nobody said anything
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This is not more important than studying electricity.
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Whew, good thing the guy is in a run of the mill Gold's and not a powerlifting meet. The spotter must've taken 350lbs off the lift!!
That's obviously not what I meant.
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Sometimes I will do some shrugs aka rack pulls if my spine feels loose when squatting. I believe it has some use in cns training. However, I bend at the knee for the "king of shrugs"
Nomo
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:D ;D
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As I say, guy's strong as all hell, but ... c'mon.
Without a spot of any kind, he'd have a tough time doing 500 for a decent rep.
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Why not just press what you can... I spotter is there to help when and AFTER you fail not from rep 1 . This seems to be a concept 90% of guys don't seem to get
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Gobble-gobble.
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Why would he be?
I mean a spot is fine. But that guy is rowing the bar with him.
That lift would never pass in any respectable powerlifting organisation. You get help unracking the bar.
Then you lock it out, touch it to your chest, wait for a signal and press. Not have some little guy doing an upright row while you grunt like a fat retard.
How much do you really think his 'rowing' is taking away from the lift poundage wise? At most 50lbs IMO. 99.9% of people who train can't even incline 315 for a single with such help. Give the guy some credit, 650lb is a good deadlift or squat. This guy PRESSED it on the incline bench. I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retardedly impressive. There are few who could even support that kind of weight statically never mind press it.
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How much do you really think his 'rowing' is taking away from the lift poundage wise? At most 50lbs IMO. 99.9% of people who train can't even incline 315 for a single with such help. Give the guy some credit, 650lb is a good deadlift or squat. This guy PRESSED it on the incline bench. I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retardedly impressive. There are few who could even support that kind of weight statically never mind press it.
Leroy's best bench is about 620 or 630 raw in a contest.
great lift
But since he competes, he should know lifts that a spotter touches, regardless of how much, don't count.
That's why its surprising he's posting the vids and acting last like they are legit...none of the other top lifters do...
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Crazy having just the one "spotter" for that much weight. If that weight buried him, he would have been fukced. That spotter wouldn't have even been able to budge 650 off that dudes chest...
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You got to be kidding me.
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How much do you really think his 'rowing' is taking away from the lift poundage wise? At most 50lbs IMO. 99.9% of people who train can't even incline 315 for a single with such help. Give the guy some credit, 650lb is a good deadlift or squat. This guy PRESSED it on the incline bench. I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retardedly impressive. There are few who could even support that kind of weight statically never mind press it.
Well it depends on how strong you are doesn't it?
I'm not discrediting him for his strength. I'm discrediting him for being disingenuous with his strength. This equivalent to stacking some fake plates on the bar.
The spotter, I would say, is taking about 100lbs or so off the lift.
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How much do you really think his 'rowing' is taking away from the lift poundage wise? At most 50lbs IMO. I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retardedly impressive. There are few who could even support that kind of weight statically never mind press it.
You'd "wager" mid-700s, huh? Well, read the post below yours. Guy has a FLAT, raw meet press much less than 650.
The best of the very best elite bench pressers are hovering just in front of or slightly above 700, dude. Spoto holds the all-time record at the moment with a 722.
When a spotter is applying any "lift" whatsoever to a bar in motion, it HUGELY aids the lifter, because doing so keeps the pressure being applied optimal through the very different phases of a repetition. And this doesn't even touch the psychological component.
As I say, the spotter here is helping in a profound way.
If I had to guesstimate, I'd put him, on incline, at a reasonably tight and controlled low, low 500s. Which is still fantastic and world-class.
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I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retarded
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Again, I have competed against Leroy on 4 different occasions. He is legit SHW around 330-340lb with currently a 600+ raw bench press with his best under contest rules and conditions 622.8. He posted a couple of incline videos like that. He stated that he likes to train beyond his max as he feels that makes him stronger. The videos as you can see go over well with your average joe getbigger, but not the powerlifting community. I wouldn't matter if he had 800lbs on the bar, in the powerlifting world if the spotter is helping at all they really don't care. I know you might say, but equipped lifters use those shirts and suits that helps a lot, but that is another subject entirely.
Leroy is a strong lifter and you can't take anything away from him. His only issue that I see is his attitude as he can be a bit arrogant which other lifters don't really seem to appreciate obviously.
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Again, I have competed against Leroy on 4 different occasions. He is legit SHW around 330-340lb with currently a 600+ raw bench press with his best under contest rules and conditions 622.8. He posted a couple of incline videos like that. He stated that he likes to train beyond his max as he feels that makes him stronger. The videos as you can see go over well with your average joe getbigger, but not the powerlifting community. I wouldn't matter if he had 800lbs on the bar, in the powerlifting world if the spotter is helping at all they really don't care. I know you might say, but equipped lifters use those shirts and suits that helps a lot, but that is another subject entirely.
Leroy is a strong lifter and you can't take anything away from him. His only issue that I see is his attitude as he can be a bit arrogant which other lifters don't really seem to appreciate obviously.
What's his Squat and Dead look like?
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What's his Squat and Dead look like?
He does bench only.
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On the video i posted above he does 624lbs.
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How much do you really think his 'rowing' is taking away from the lift poundage wise? At most 50lbs IMO. 99.9% of people who train can't even incline 315 for a single with such help. Give the guy some credit, 650lb is a good deadlift or squat. This guy PRESSED it on the incline bench. I'd wager he could bench mid 700's. That's retardedly impressive. There are few who could even support that kind of weight statically never mind press it.
not even the point though. I don't care if there is 1000 lb on there if someone is touching the bar then the lifter is trying to exaggerate his claim whether it is 100lb 500lb or 1000lb. Keep it real and you won't get flamed
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He does bench only.
Oh...
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On the video i posted above he does 624lbs.
You're correct. I forgot he was trying to break Pedro Mejihas USPA SHW raw record which was 622.8 so he was allowed to use the smaller weights. Which BTW he started calling Pedro out which was kind of strange since Pedro is pretty mellow and doesn't go talking about anyone. Hence the minor attitude issue.
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With no help from a spotter he fails at 635,around the 9 minute mark.
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The problem is, SO many who watch YouTube videos and then post comments know SO VERY LITTLE. Very few gym-goers will ever fully grasp the magnitude of a 600-pound raw press or a legit, to depth 7/800-pound squat. Or deadlift.
You have guys saying stuff like, Yeah, so-and-so can hit 315 for a lot of reps so he's good for 500, or some crap like that.
When one who knows considers a human actually legitimately pressing 700 pounds, raw, it blows the mind. Or burying 700 pounds in the squat with just a belt and knee warmers. Drugs or not, these kinds of lifts make one marvel at what a human of a specific genetic disposition and dedication can achieve.
Throw in boatloads of drugs and the feats become truly freakish.
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As I say, guy's strong as all hell, but ... c'mon.
Without a spot of any kind, he'd have a tough time doing 500 for a decent rep.
A tough time doing 500 for a decent rep? Dude you're talking directly out of your fucking ass...
How much is this skinny fat spotter helping with his 2 fingers?
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A tough time doing 500 for a decent rep? Dude you're talking directly out of your fucking ass...
How much is this skinny fat spotter helping with his 2 fingers?
The problem is you can't judge how much someone is helping. Therefore no powerlifter will ever care about any lift where the spotter is touching it at all. It is just the way it is and has always been that way. No offense to Leroy at all as he is a legitimate very strong bench presser. Just as the bodybuilding world doesn't give a damn about you look posing at the gym or two weeks out. What matters is how you look on competition day standing on stage. Even Leroy knows this as he told me personally that trains sometimes quite a bit over his max as he believes it makes him stronger when it comes to meet day.
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The problem is you can't judge how much someone is helping. Therefore no powerlifter will ever care about any lift where the spotter is touching it at all. It is just the way it is and has always been that way. No offense to Leroy at all as he is a legitimate very strong bench presser. Just as the bodybuilding world doesn't give a damn about you look posing at the gym or two weeks out. What matters is how you look on competition day standing on stage. Even Leroy knows this as he told me personally that trains sometimes quite a bit over his max as he believes it makes him stronger when it comes to meet day.
9 clean reps all locked out and smooth with 5 plates on incline with a dummy touching the bar with 2 fingers. Enough said.
The 655 was an assisted lockout, although with the way the spotter had his wrists on the bar, I doubt he was "curling" or more like "front delt raising" more than 50lbs. Put a bar on your wrists like that and see how good a 45lb bar feels digging into your tendon/vein...Just saying I'm rating that at no more than 50lbs..
If 500x10 is the way he "warms up" I assume he had numerous heavy sets leading up to that 650, making him fatigued.
605x4 the spotter is clearly not doing shit because...he doesn't need to. Clearly explosive as fuck.
I have seen in person here at Supertraining Gym, Spoto, Efferding, Larson, Lilly, Derek Kendall, Lilliebridges, Chad Smith, Scot Mendelson, and MANY more behemoths...Leroy is stronger than all but a couple.
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The problem is you can't judge how much someone is helping. Therefore no powerlifter will ever care about any lift where the spotter is touching it at all. It is just the way it is and has always been that way. No offense to Leroy at all as he is a legitimate very strong bench presser. Just as the bodybuilding world doesn't give a damn about you look posing at the gym or two weeks out. What matters is how you look on competition day standing on stage. Even Leroy knows this as he told me personally that trains sometimes quite a bit over his max as he believes it makes him stronger when it comes to meet day.
Thats true.
WHile impressive for the youtube crowd, have the spotter remove his hands from the bar immediately after the lift off an his reps probably drop in half.
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The problem is, SO many who watch YouTube videos and then post comments know SO VERY LITTLE. Very few gym-goers will ever fully grasp the magnitude of a 600-pound raw press or a legit, to depth 7/800-pound squat. Or deadlift.
You have guys saying stuff like, Yeah, so-and-so can hit 315 for a lot of reps so he's good for 500, or some crap like that.
When one who knows considers a human actually legitimately pressing 700 pounds, raw, it blows the mind. Or burying 700 pounds in the squat with just a belt and knee warmers. Drugs or not, these kinds of lifts make one marvel at what a human of a specific genetic disposition and dedication can achieve.
Throw in boatloads of drugs and the feats become truly freakish.
You're keepin it too real man..stop making so much sense, it's way above too many heads around here..
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Some men just can't come to terms with the idea that other men are a lot stronger than they are. Their egos insist that they discredit the stronger man any way possible.
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The problem is, SO many who watch YouTube videos and then post comments know SO VERY LITTLE. Very few gym-goers will ever fully grasp the magnitude of a 600-pound raw press or a legit, to depth 7/800-pound squat. Or deadlift.
You have guys saying stuff like, Yeah, so-and-so can hit 315 for a lot of reps so he's good for 500, or some crap like that.
When one who knows considers a human actually legitimately pressing 700 pounds, raw, it blows the mind. Or burying 700 pounds in the squat with just a belt and knee warmers. Drugs or not, these kinds of lifts make one marvel at what a human of a specific genetic disposition and dedication can achieve.
Throw in boatloads of drugs and the feats become truly freakish.
If you take this in consideration. We probably are capable of far more than 700-800 pound raw bench presses. Our bones can take a lot, but how much can the muscles, tendons and ligaments take?
Our human bone weighs in at about 119 pounds per cubic foot. (That must mean I've got a couple cubic feet within me.) Its design and construction enables it to have between 18,000 to 24,000 pounds per square inch in compression. Bone's tension strength is 13,200 to 17,000 psi. And its shearing strength is 7,150 to 11,800 psi. Now those numbers may not mean much to most of us, but when you consider the compression strength of white oak is only 7,000 pounds, that it has a tension strength of 12, 500, and its shearing strength is merely 4, 000 psi then you get the idea that our bones were created to haul a pretty good load.
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OMG what the hell don't you guys understand?, wow. It is not the actual weight taken off the bar when a spotter is at play, it is way WAY more then that.
The stability, the feel, and the psychological effect all come into play as well as the poundage.
You would know this if you grabbed your max of 3 reps on the bench unassisted then on your next set tell someone to put 2 fingers under the bar and you will nail 10 reps with ease, whoever doesn't know this is dam amateur
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OMG what the hell don't you guys understand?, wow. It is not the actual weight taken off the bar when a spotter is at play, it is way WAY more then that.
The stability, the feel, and the psychological effect all come into play as well as the poundage.
You would know this if you grabbed your max of 3 reps on the bench unassisted then on your next set tell someone to put 2 fingers under the bar and you will nail 10 reps with ease, whoever doesn't know this is dam amateur
Good point.
The simple confidence boost of a spotters finger on the bar seems to make it fly up even if they are providing no physical assistance
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A tough time doing 500 for a decent rep? Dude you're talking directly out of your fucking ass...
How much is this skinny fat spotter helping with his 2 fingers?
this is legit CRAZY INSANE strong those two fingers aint helpin shit maybe 30 pounds. That dude has some serious crushing strength
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OMG what the hell don't you guys understand?, wow. It is not the actual weight taken off the bar when a spotter is at play, it is way WAY more then that.
The stability, the feel, and the psychological effect all come into play as well as the poundage.
You would know this if you grabbed your max of 3 reps on the bench unassisted then on your next set tell someone to put 2 fingers under the bar and you will nail 10 reps with ease, whoever doesn't know this is dam amateur
Finally someone posts some truth. I can fully attest to this. The psychological effect is key.
Now, I wish I could say a spotter has made the difference between 3 reps and 10 reps for me, but I can definitely say it's made the difference between 2 reps and 4 reps for sure.
When I choose a spotter I choose someone I've known in the gym for a good while that truly understands what to do....not Mr. Random "Get it!! All you!!" and basically does an upright row while I'm pressing LOL. If that's all that's available I prefer to work alone. The difference between a good spot and a bad spot is light years apart.....good spots are hard to find.
After all these years I'm sick and tired of some on this board with their "didn't count cause of the spotter", "that wouldn't fly in a meet", "basically that was a two man lift", "take half the weight off the bar and he still wouldn't do a single strict rep unassisted". ::)
I get that some on this board have lifted in sanctioned meets and done well....GB is proud of those that have and supports them. ;D Most of us will never participate in an event like that and yet the fact remains that this guy is still brutally strong. Why some can't admit that baffles me.
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A tough time doing 500 for a decent rep? Dude you're talking directly out of your fucking ass...
How much is this skinny fat spotter helping with his 2 fingers?
Okay, I stand corrected. Thanks for the video.
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I have seen in person here at Supertraining Gym, Spoto, Efferding, Larson, Lilly, Derek Kendall, Lilliebridges, Chad Smith, Scot Mendelson, and MANY more behemoths...Leroy is stronger than all but a couple.
Okay, tone it down A LITTLE, dude.
This guy is miles strong but there is a WORLD of difference between 600 (and change) and 700 in the bench, as a legit competition press.
But I will say this, the dude seems to have the incline as his greater lift. Having said this ...
HAVE SPOTTERS TAKE THEIR HANDS OFF THE DAMN BAR!
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Good point.
The simple confidence boost of a spotters finger on the bar seems to make it fly up even if they are providing no physical assistance
BANG!
These two speak the truth.
I know I can nail MANY more reps ... or complete a MUCH greater weight for a single ... if someone's touching/holding the bar (or wrapping his arms around my waist when I squat).
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BANG!
These two speak the truth.
I know I can nail MANY more reps ... or complete a MUCH greater weight for a single ... if someone's touching/holding the bar (or wrapping his arms around my waist when I squat).
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Got me.
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Okay, tone it down A LITTLE, dude.
This guy is miles strong but there is a WORLD of difference between 600 (and change) and 700 in the bench, as a legit competition press.
But I will say this, the dude seems to have the incline as his greater lift. Having said this ...
HAVE SPOTTERS TAKE THEIR HANDS OFF THE DAMN BAR!
Yes and I said "all but a couple" can you comprehend that? Spoto and Mendelson are the only 2 on that list stronger than Leroy.
I can say with great confidence that everyone on that list has devoted 100% of their lives to the sport of competitive power lifting. Drugs, food, rest, programming took priority in their lives for many years.
That being said...Leroy trains out of a random ass "big box gym" and looks to be having fun and not taking it all that seriously at all...which boggles the mind. He is a freak.
And you people focusing on the spotters rather than the insanity of him casually lifting 650lbs are haters. Simple.
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Yes and I said "all but a couple" can you comprehend that? Spoto and Mendelson are the only 2 on that list stronger than Leroy.
I can say with great confidence that everyone on that list has devoted 100% of their lives to the sport of competitive power lifting. Drugs, food, rest, programming took priority in their lives for many years.
That being said...Leroy trains out of a random ass "big box gym" and looks to be having fun and not taking it all that seriously at all...which boggles the mind. He is a freak.
And you people focusing on the spotters rather than the insanity of him casually lifting 650lbs are haters. Simple.
Mendelson tore his left pec and Spoto has a shoulder problem now.
Leroy is probably the strongest bencher right now.
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Fair enough, so it's a 550 incline. That's incredible pressing.
So then press 550 clean...and no one would say a damn thing negative
I totally get it
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Leroy Walker, The King of the Assisted Incline Press.
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Mendelson tore his left pec and Spoto has a shoulder problem now.
Leroy is probably the strongest bencher right now.
Mendy just did a 900 something in a shirt a couple weeks ago in a meet. But he had a 715 WR raw bench in the record books, and still has a 308 class WR of 701 so he is technically stronger.
Spoto has a 722 obviously. I believe Leroy has a 622.
Strongest bencher(s) right now, 1. Siamand Rahman an Iranian Paralympian. 2. Kirill Sarychev.
One of if not THE most impressive bench press I've ever seen;
705 - No wrist wraps, no lift off, no leg drive (he has tiny non-functioning legs), no arch. Easy lift with perfect form. Had at least 20+lbs left in the tank.
Second only to;
719 - huge international competition (nerves can play a HUGE role in this setting) good 3-4 second hold before start command, significant pause on chest, relatively easy press.
Honorable mention is the beast Jeremy Hoornstra;
661 @ 242lbs
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Those are just insane.
It blows my mind that guys are pressing raw what I could barely do in a single ply. I don't know how regular lifters can even begin to relate to those poundages
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Those are just insane.
It blows my mind that guys are pressing raw what I could barely do in a single ply. I don't know how regular lifters can even begin to relate to those poundages
I mean to put into perspective how thick those guys are lol..
The Iranian Rahman weighs over 400lbs with tiny paralyzed legs...He would probably weigh damn near 600lbs with a big set of legs up under him...The man's hands and wrists are like coffee cans..
What it boils down to is these are roughly 2x bodyweight bench presses..Except Hoornstra's 661 @ 242 which is mind blowing.
And shit like this..500 @ 165 ROFL.
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Why would he be?
I mean a spot is fine. But that guy is rowing the bar with him.
That lift would never pass in any respectable powerlifting organisation. You get help unracking the bar.
Then you lock it out, touch it to your chest, wait for a signal and press. Not have some little guy doing an upright row while you grunt like a fat retard.
I didn't know they had incline bench in "any respectable powerlifting organization". ::)
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Leroy Walker, The King of the Assisted Incline Press.
Jimmy "The Bull" Pellechia - The King of the Assisted Bench Press (with special guest Lou Ferrigno)
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Jimmy "The Bull" Pellechia - The King of the Assisted Bench Press (with special guest Lou Ferrigno)
WHAT A JOKE, YOU GUYS GOING TO DEFEND THIS GUY TOO?
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I hung with The Iron Bull in Vegas one weekend. We were both attending the same business meeting. Guy is friendly.
However, as a legit strongman, he's NOTHING. And besides all his hugely assisted presses, his wheels were non-existent.
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WHAT A JOKE, YOU GUYS GOING TO DEFEND THIS GUY TOO?
The Announcer - "700 pounds with a spot"