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Title: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 08:52:20 AM
How does this NBA free agency crap work, that these two guys can essentially hold the entire NBA hostage while they collude with their friends to try to control who wins and loses in the league?

Jesus Christ the sports coverage being given to this shit is incredible. The league is so concerned with what Donald Sterling said in private to a paid side piece, but let's this crap go on for weeks now without any comment.

Fucking crazy.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Royalty on July 04, 2014, 09:06:44 AM
Carmelo is a joke. The Knicks didn't even make the friggin playoffs.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 09:14:29 AM
Lebron fucked his teammates. The all opted out of their contracts so that they could free cap space to bring in some more talent. Then Lebron goes and says, "I think I am going to need a max-contract", so now Wade and Bosh (fucking retards) have to take a mega pay cut to just keep Lebron. Pwned.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Shockwave on July 04, 2014, 09:33:33 AM
Lebron fucked his teammates. The all opted out of their contracts so that they could free cap space to bring in some more talent. Then Lebron goes and says, "I think I am going to need a max-contract", so now Wade and Bosh (fucking retards) have to take a mega pay cut to just keep Lebron. Pwned.
Dudes a fucking spoiled brat from what ive seen.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
Dudes a fucking spoiled brat from what ive seen.

No doubt. But I could learn to live with his shit if he played for the Celtics.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: gmflex on July 04, 2014, 09:39:41 AM
They still got owned by the SPURS..
 ;D
They will get owned again regardless of who they bring  ;)
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 09:42:54 AM
They still got owned by the SPURS..
 ;D
They will get owned again regardless of who they bring  ;)

Swap out Bosh and bring in Kevin Love and the Heat would have a 70 win season and sweep to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
Lebron fucked his teammates. The all opted out of their contracts so that they could free cap space to bring in some more talent. Then Lebron goes and says, "I think I am going to need a max-contract", so now Wade and Bosh (fucking retards) have to take a mega pay cut to just keep Lebron. Pwned.

So the only way the Heat can give Lebron the max deal is for the other two to take a pay cut (or defer compensation)?
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 10:00:13 AM
So the only way the Heat can give Lebron the max deal is for the other two to take a pay cut (or defer compensation)?

Yup.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 10:03:42 AM
Yup.

Oh okay, I misunderstood and thought the Bird Rule allowed the current team to go over the salary cap to retain its own player.

Isn't that why the Knicks can go 5 Yrs/$130M and the Lakers only 4 Yrs/$96M?
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Papper on July 04, 2014, 10:13:32 AM
Most getbiggers are free agents right know

Operating from out mom's basement with tom prince posters on the wall
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 10:22:30 AM
Oh okay, I misunderstood and thought the Bird Rule allowed the current team to go over the salary cap to retain its own player.

Isn't that why the Knicks can go 5 Yrs/$130M and the Lakers only 4 Yrs/$96M?

Yes, what I meant was that Wade and Bosh now have to give up their salary to get more talent so that Lebron will stay with the team. Lebron won't give up anything, he wants max (and deserves it, IMHO).
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Yes, what I meant was that Wade and Bosh now have to give up their salary to get more talent so that Lebron will stay with the team. Lebron won't give up anything, he wants max (and deserves it, IMHO).

Ah okay, I get it now. But if I were the Heat, I'm not sure I'd be signing Wade for $20M a season based on his playoff performance.

So obviously Carmelo is not headed to the Heat.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 11:12:02 AM
Ah okay, I get it now. But if I were the Heat, I'm not sure I'd be signing Wade for $20M a season based on his playoff performance.

Now they don't have to because that fool opted out of the final (2?) years of his contract.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Hulkotron on July 04, 2014, 11:14:18 AM
Bosh is stupid if he stays.

Make $20 million per playing for someone else or $11 million playing for Miami.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
So if the Heat are on the hook for Wade for 2 years at $20m per ($40M total) is their intention to offer say 4 years at $11M per ($44 M total) knowing he will probably retire in 2 yrs and collect the final 2 yrs sitting at home?

If not, why would any pro athlete take that significant of a pay cut?
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: _aj_ on July 04, 2014, 01:01:54 PM
So if the Heat are on the hook for Wade for 2 years at $20m per ($40M total) is their intention to offer say 4 years at $11M per ($44 M total) knowing he will probably retire in 2 yrs and collect the final 2 yrs sitting at home?

If not, why would any pro athlete take that significant of a pay cut?

Wade and Bosh opted out. The Heat don't owe Wade anything. His contract is dissolved.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 04, 2014, 01:05:36 PM
The thing that nobody on ESPN is talking about is the fact that these guys want no part of the Western Conference because it's too competitive.  They are all trying to stay in the weak Eastern Conference so they will have virtually no opposition on the way to the NBA Finals.  I can't believe the commentators are letting them get away with this shit without calling them out on it.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: clownbaby on July 04, 2014, 01:20:52 PM
This is actually one of the most interesting free agency periods of all time, i have no complaints with any of it.  There are so many variables that have come into play with the new collective bargaining agreement in place.  Lebron should definitely start looking for other teams if he really wants to win championships in the long term.  Most of the free agent talent that Miami tried to lowball offers to just come and play on the heat have shunned them (lowry, gortat, deng, most likely ariza).  Lebron should strongly consider trying to get Kevin Love to come to the cavs... look at the line up they would have: kyrie Irving, Andrew Wiggins/Dion Waiters, Lebron, Kevin Love, and Varejo. He would be able to make to the finals almost every year in the crappy east.

And to the people bashing melo are utterly stupid and know next to nothing about basketball, he played with hands down the WORST backcourt this past season, an old awful Amare Stodemire, and missed Tyson Chandler for half the year.  Where are these same people bashing Kevin Love, a top ten player, who has never even sniffed the playoffs?  Melo has every right to bolt New York...what is Phil Jackson going to offer him now? calderon and possibly pau Gasol lol. If melo joined with the bulls they could compete for the conference finals almost every year if Derick Rose is even half healthy.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 04, 2014, 01:41:49 PM
lebron can hold the league hostage because he IS that good.

the best part will be when the team he bullied into building loses to an actual "team" that plays "defense" and has actual well-executed plays.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Lustral on July 04, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Always find it funny that the staunchest defenders of capitalism have so much communism in their sports - drafts, salary caps etc.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Bevo on July 04, 2014, 02:03:22 PM
Phil Heath is also a free agent now since muscle tech released him
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Lustral on July 04, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
Phil Heath is also a free agent now since muscle tech released him

He started his own supp company. Fortune 500 is ready for a shakeup.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 04, 2014, 02:07:16 PM
And to the people bashing melo are utterly stupid and know next to nothing about basketball, he played with hands down the WORST backcourt this past season, an old awful Amare Stodemire, and missed Tyson Chandler for half the year.  Where are these same people bashing Kevin Love, a top ten player, who has never even sniffed the playoffs?  Melo has every right to bolt New York...what is Phil Jackson going to offer him now? calderon and possibly pau Gasol lol. If melo joined with the bulls they could compete for the conference finals almost every year if Derick Rose is even half healthy.

Few things.

a. Knicks had enough talent to make the playoffs in the east.

b. The knicks were a paltry 37-45 in the east. They can just as easily dwell there in mediocrity without melo as they did with him. The question is do you give him max money at 30 with the guarantee of going nowhere for a couple years until a few ridiculous contracts expire. With that in mind, it's completely rational to be skeptical of a mid 30's ball stopper who is aging by the day getting max money for 5 years.

c. And lastly, can you name more than 2 players on minnesota off the top of your head? Yeah that's what I thought.

d. Lol @ the thought of melo playing under a coach like Thibodeau.



 
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 02:20:49 PM
The thing that nobody on ESPN is talking about is the fact that these guys want no part of the Western Conference because it's too competitive.  They are all trying to stay in the weak Eastern Conference so they will have virtually no opposition on the way to the NBA Finals.  I can't believe the commentators are letting them get away with this shit without calling them out on it.

Exactly.....and no mention of the collusion. It's like they find the "courting" of Lebron/Carmelo entertaining or cute. FFS, these are grown men they're jerking off on Twitter over.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 04, 2014, 02:55:07 PM
Exactly.....and no mention of the collusion. It's like they find the "courting" of Lebron/Carmelo entertaining or cute. FFS, these are grown men they're jerking off on Twitter over.

I don't know why Brian Windhorst is all over ESPN all of a sudden.  Is he the new NBA go-to guy or is this temporary because he has some inside knowledge of Lebron's free agency?  Either way I don't care for him.  I don't like his stupid name and I don't like looking at his corpulent body stuffed into a suit.  Also, he seems like kind of a dick.

Brian Windhorst and Chris Broussard, no thanks ESPN.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 04, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
I don't know why Brian Windhorst is all over ESPN all of a sudden.  Is he the new NBA go-to guy or is this temporary because he has some inside knowledge of Lebron's free agency?  Either way I don't care for him.  I don't like his stupid name and I don't like looking at his corpulent body stuffed into a suit.  Also, he seems like kind of a dick.

Brian Windhorst and Chris Broussard, no thanks ESPN.

Is he the Jonah Hill looking fucker?

Like to kick him in the windpipe.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 04, 2014, 03:30:35 PM
Is he the Jonah Hill looking fucker?

Like to kick him in the windpipe.

He looks like The Beast from that tv game show "The Chase".  Fat fuck.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 04, 2014, 06:37:50 PM
I don't know why Brian Windhorst is all over ESPN all of a sudden.  Is he the new NBA go-to guy or is this temporary because he has some inside knowledge of Lebron's free agency?  Either way I don't care for him.  I don't like his stupid name and I don't like looking at his corpulent body stuffed into a suit.  Also, he seems like kind of a dick.

Brian Windhorst and Chris Broussard, no thanks ESPN.
Windhorst has followed Lebron's career since high school, that's why he is all over ESPN. Basically he doesn't know anything more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 04, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
Windhorst has followed Lebron's career since high school, that's why he is all over ESPN. Basically he doesn't know anything more than anyone else.

I just hope he goes away after this free agency shit ends.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 05, 2014, 09:24:44 AM
Phil Jackson seems to be the only guy taking this sensibly. He makes his offer to the thug and then sits back knowing Carmelo and his 87 baby mommas aren't going to say no to $130M.

I don't give a fuck where Lebron goes. If the Heat really had the big three then San Antonio wouldn't be champs.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Mr Nobody on July 05, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
It simple both will just wait for the most money offer from a team and sign with that team. They don't give a piss about who they play for just the cash.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 05, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
Windhorst has followed Lebron's career since high school, that's why he is all over ESPN. Basically he doesn't know anything more than anyone else.

If Miami was serious about building their dynasty, they'd give lebron the  max, and they'd drop wade immediately, and they'd restructure bosh or lose him, and they'd bring in 2-3 promising players.  The big 1 + the medium 4 support staff.

if Lebron was serious about returning to miami, he'd be in miami at a table with riley and ownership mapping out the plan to rebuild the team with new talent NOW.

if lebron was serious about building up a new team with one of the Western suitors, he'd be in the room sharing his thoughts, interacting, meeting the people he may be working with for the next few years.  Instead, his manager is listening to offers from teams, saying nothing, and sending it to lebron.  that's it.  no Qs, no interaction, no back and forth.



Getbiggers, we can only reach one reasonable conclusion.  Lebron is vacationing while everyone talks, then he'll return and on july 8th or 9th, quietly announce he's RETURNING TO THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!

They're making great moves and have the ability to make more trades for good players now.  Lebron just enrolled his kids in Bath, OH schools.  His mom just bought season tickets.  He has a 3rd baby on the way and a mansion he loves, in a city he loves, and he's turning 30 this year.  

His actions aren't showing anything about a return to miami, nor talking plans with teams.  I think he's made up his mind and in a few days, he'll be the biggest hero in Ohio history as he returns to the Cavs.  
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 05, 2014, 09:53:45 AM
If Miami was serious about building their dynasty, they'd give lebron the  max, and they'd drop wade immediately, and they'd restructure bosh or lose him, and they'd bring in 2-3 promising players.  The big 1 + the medium 4 support staff.

if Lebron was serious about returning to miami, he'd be in miami at a table with riley and ownership mapping out the plan to rebuild the team with new talent NOW.

if lebron was serious about building up a new team with one of the Western suitors, he'd be in the room sharing his thoughts, interacting, meeting the people he may be working with for the next few years.  Instead, his manager is listening to offers from teams, saying nothing, and sending it to lebron.  that's it.  no Qs, no interaction, no back and forth.



Getbiggers, we can only reach one reasonable conclusion.  Lebron is vacationing while everyone talks, then he'll return and on july 8th or 9th, quietly announce he's RETURNING TO THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!

They're making great moves and have the ability to make more trades for good players now.  Lebron just enrolled his kids in Bath, OH schools.  His mom just bought season tickets.  He has a 3rd baby on the way and a mansion he loves, in a city he loves, and he's turning 30 this year.  

His actions aren't showing anything about a return to miami, nor talking plans with teams.  I think he's made up his mind and in a few days, he'll be the biggest hero in Ohio history as he returns to the Cavs.  

Carmelo will resign with the Knicks on July 10th....
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 05, 2014, 10:00:12 AM
Carmelo will resign with the Knicks on July 10th....

yep.  they're gonna give him what, 130 million?  lol yeah, he's all over that.  And he doesn't have that level of competition that lebron does.  he doesn't care about winning all that much.  he's rich, he's comfy, he's in new york.  he might have a few playoff runs left in him, but his skills are eroding while lebron still hasn't peaked.  lebron's inside game can get better, his midrange jumper can get better. 

melo is probably only a story because lebron is so quiet and so far off the radar.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 05, 2014, 12:22:10 PM
If Miami was serious about building their dynasty, they'd give lebron the  max, and they'd drop wade immediately, and they'd restructure bosh or lose him, and they'd bring in 2-3 promising players.  The big 1 + the medium 4 support staff.

if Lebron was serious about returning to miami, he'd be in miami at a table with riley and ownership mapping out the plan to rebuild the team with new talent NOW.

if lebron was serious about building up a new team with one of the Western suitors, he'd be in the room sharing his thoughts, interacting, meeting the people he may be working with for the next few years.  Instead, his manager is listening to offers from teams, saying nothing, and sending it to lebron.  that's it.  no Qs, no interaction, no back and forth.



Getbiggers, we can only reach one reasonable conclusion.  Lebron is vacationing while everyone talks, then he'll return and on july 8th or 9th, quietly announce he's RETURNING TO THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!

They're making great moves and have the ability to make more trades for good players now.  Lebron just enrolled his kids in Bath, OH schools.  His mom just bought season tickets.  He has a 3rd baby on the way and a mansion he loves, in a city he loves, and he's turning 30 this year.  

His actions aren't showing anything about a return to miami, nor talking plans with teams.  I think he's made up his mind and in a few days, he'll be the biggest hero in Ohio history as he returns to the Cavs.  
Change that to returning to Miami.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Teutonic Knight on July 05, 2014, 05:02:14 PM
How does this NBA free agency crap work, that these two guys can essentially hold the entire NBA hostage while they collude with their friends to try to control who wins and loses in the league?

Jesus Christ the sports coverage being given to this shit is incredible. The league is so concerned with what Donald Sterling said in private to a paid side piece, but let's this crap go on for weeks now without any comment.

Fucking crazy.

Gee, another sport is pissing U off to the max  ::)



Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 05, 2014, 05:18:02 PM
 His mom just bought season tickets.  

Im sure lebron gets them free for her, and I don't believe it.

Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Shockwave on July 05, 2014, 05:44:10 PM
If Miami was serious about building their dynasty, they'd give lebron the  max, and they'd drop wade immediately, and they'd restructure bosh or lose him, and they'd bring in 2-3 promising players.  The big 1 + the medium 4 support staff.

if Lebron was serious about returning to miami, he'd be in miami at a table with riley and ownership mapping out the plan to rebuild the team with new talent NOW.

if lebron was serious about building up a new team with one of the Western suitors, he'd be in the room sharing his thoughts, interacting, meeting the people he may be working with for the next few years.  Instead, his manager is listening to offers from teams, saying nothing, and sending it to lebron.  that's it.  no Qs, no interaction, no back and forth.



Getbiggers, we can only reach one reasonable conclusion.  Lebron is vacationing while everyone talks, then he'll return and on july 8th or 9th, quietly announce he's RETURNING TO THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS!

They're making great moves and have the ability to make more trades for good players now.  Lebron just enrolled his kids in Bath, OH schools.  His mom just bought season tickets.  He has a 3rd baby on the way and a mansion he loves, in a city he loves, and he's turning 30 this year.  

His actions aren't showing anything about a return to miami, nor talking plans with teams.  I think he's made up his mind and in a few days, he'll be the biggest hero in Ohio history as he returns to the Cavs.  
420 or bust just cant help himself. ..

My fellow getbiggers, we can only assume that since lebron is not telling us that hes going to do one thing, then he clearly must be doing this other completely random thing that hes never mentioned, given any inclination,  or shown any evidence that hes ever even thought about

Why you say? Because I, 420 the Oracle believe so because of completely unrelated events that may or may not have anything to do with the case at hand.

I HAVE SPOKEN!!!!!
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 05, 2014, 05:46:26 PM
420 or bust just cant help himself. ..

My fellow getbiggers, we can only assume that since lebron is not telling us that hes going to do one thing, then he clearly must be doing this other completely random thing that hes never mentioned, given any inclination,  or shown any evidence that hes ever even thought about

Why you say? Because I, 420 the Oracle believe so because of completely unrelated events that may or may not have anything to do with the case at hand.

I HAVE SPOKEN!!!!!

Lebrick will sign for the max in Miami. It's all about ego and money.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 05, 2014, 07:42:32 PM
420 or bust just cant help himself. ..

My fellow getbiggers, we can only assume that since lebron is not telling us that hes going to do one thing, then he clearly must be doing this other completely random thing that hes never mentioned, given any inclination,  or shown any evidence that hes ever even thought about

Why you say? Because I, 420 the Oracle believe so because of completely unrelated events that may or may not have anything to do with the case at hand.

I HAVE SPOKEN!!!!!
He's going to Philly, now that would make my year.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 05, 2014, 08:24:17 PM
He's going to Philly, now that would make my year.

I believe that draft pick will be a bust.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 05, 2014, 09:59:16 PM
My fellow getbiggers, we can only assume that since lebron is not telling us that hes going to do one thing, then he clearly must be doing this other completely random thing that hes never mentioned, given any inclination,  or shown any evidence that hes ever even thought about

hey, we're all just guessing and predicting.  Nobody claims to "know" anything as a fact.  We're all just predicting, looking at what is happening and saying what we believe will happen.  

I think he's leaving miami.   i was saying it 2 months ago when they were kicking the shit out of teams in the 1st and 2nd rounds of playoffs.  Everyone LOL'd at it when I said lebron would opt out.  "No way will they break up the dynasty" and now his team is enjoying offers and a lot of things are steering him back to Ohio.  He's sure not acting like a person who is 100% staying in Miami.

I'd have to put it at 51% chance at least some part of the big 3 is gone next year.  I'll make it 75% if they don't win the title (and they're better yet managed yet not as good as last year now). 
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 06, 2014, 12:57:47 AM
that draft pick that Miami used is playing terrible in summer league.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 06, 2014, 04:27:30 AM
that draft pick that Miami used is playing terrible in summer league.

and they gave away way too much to get him.  Just because lebron poked him on twitter lol.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 06, 2014, 04:28:30 AM
and they gave away way too much to get him.  Just because lebron poked him on twitter lol.

hahaha if lebron bails im going to laugh at pat riley.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 06, 2014, 09:03:33 AM
hahaha if lebron bails im going to laugh at pat riley.
if he bails I will lose a lot of respect I developed over the last 4 years for him.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on July 06, 2014, 01:27:42 PM
The thing that nobody on ESPN is talking about is the fact that these guys want no part of the Western Conference because it's too competitive.  They are all trying to stay in the weak Eastern Conference so they will have virtually no opposition on the way to the NBA Finals.  I can't believe the commentators are letting them get away with this shit without calling them out on it.

It has been mentioned MANY times on ESPN that they would rather play in the east to avoid the west.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: clownbaby on July 06, 2014, 03:40:35 PM
Few things.

a. Knicks had enough talent to make the playoffs in the east.

b. The knicks were a paltry 37-45 in the east. They can just as easily dwell there in mediocrity without melo as they did with him. The question is do you give him max money at 30 with the guarantee of going nowhere for a couple years until a few ridiculous contracts expire. With that in mind, it's completely rational to be skeptical of a mid 30's ball stopper who is aging by the day getting max money for 5 years.

c. And lastly, can you name more than 2 players on minnesota off the top of your head? Yeah that's what I thought.

d. Lol @ the thought of melo playing under a coach like Thibodeau.



 

A. Making the playoffs isn't really a barometer of sucess considering 50% of the league gets into the playoffs.

B. Jim Dolan throws crazy money at anything and giving melo max money is not crazy considering he gave 100 million 5 year deal to stodimire who is broke down beyond relief. Melo is relatively injury free and stays in good shape throughout the year. Giving max money to melo and waiting a couple years to get rid of bad contracts may be ny's only move.

C. Pekovik and Rubio are better players than anything melo has at the moment with the exception of maybe Tim hardaway jr.

D. Melo played under Jim Boheim in college who is very strict and defensive minded and that combo got him a national championship.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 06, 2014, 03:48:02 PM


B. Jim Dolan throws crazy money at anything and giving melo max money is not crazy considering he gave 100 million 5 year deal to stodimire who is broke down beyond relief. Melo is relatively injury free and stays in good shape throughout the year. Giving max money to melo and waiting a couple years to get rid of bad contracts may be ny's only move.


What shape?? His fucken fat.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: clownbaby on July 06, 2014, 03:53:43 PM
What shape?? His fucken fat.

He can play 40 + minutes a game consistently....his genetics will never give him the ripped muscular look of lebron or Kawai Leonard but he has had very few injuries his whole career
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 06, 2014, 04:05:56 PM
if Melo would get serious about the weights, cardio and diet - and really try on defense - he would probably be a better player than lebron.

I'd choose Melo 10 out of 10 times to make a game-winning shot, without hesitation.

But he's soft.  He knows it's a problem - he is trying random fast diets mid--season to deal with it.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/01/i-tried-carmelo-anthonys-infamous-diet.html

Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 06, 2014, 04:37:38 PM
He can play 40 + minutes a game consistently....his genetics will never give him the ripped muscular look of lebron or Kawai Leonard but he has had very few injuries his whole career

good reply.

please stick around for the 2014-2015 season.

Yeah melo has never been ripped, always look puffy but he is durable. Strong as hell too.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: calfzilla on July 06, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
Melo scrimmaging with Kobe at Ucla. Laker bound.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 06, 2014, 07:56:37 PM
It has been mentioned MANY times on ESPN that they would rather play in the east to avoid the west.

Yes, it's being mentioned that the players want to avoid the west.  However, none of the commentators are giving them shit about it.  They just accept it like it's a normal thing when in reality it shows a disgusting lack of competitive drive.  Any player who does something like this should be called out for it and that isn't happening.  As I said many times, these young stars are trying to take the easy road.  Pathetic.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: tommywishbone on July 06, 2014, 07:57:04 PM
Camelo Anthony? Jesus Christ, dude was drafted back in the late 80's.  What is he, 53-54?
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 06, 2014, 08:16:03 PM
if Melo would get serious about the weights, cardio and diet - and really try on defense - he would probably be a better player than lebron.

I'd choose Melo 10 out of 10 times to make a game-winning shot, without hesitation.

But he's soft.  He knows it's a problem - he is trying random fast diets mid--season to deal with it.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/01/i-tried-carmelo-anthonys-infamous-diet.html



No way.

also IF is not even the factor here.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 2ND COMING on July 06, 2014, 08:58:16 PM
A. Making the playoffs isn't really a barometer of sucess considering 50% of the league gets into the playoffs.

B. Jim Dolan throws crazy money at anything and giving melo max money is not crazy considering he gave 100 million 5 year deal to stodimire who is broke down beyond relief. Melo is relatively injury free and stays in good shape throughout the year. Giving max money to melo and waiting a couple years to get rid of bad contracts may be ny's only move.

C. Pekovik and Rubio are better players than anything melo has at the moment with the exception of maybe Tim hardaway jr.

D. Melo played under Jim Boheim in college who is very strict and defensive minded and that combo got him a national championship.

a. Thats exactly the point.

b. Ny had no choice but to overpay to bring amare in. Thats the only reason he came here. No amare = no melo. They signed him with the hopes of attracting other big name FA's. With no pieces and a being the bottomless pit of ineptitude, as a ny'er, I give him credit for coming here.

c. Hmm, no. Shumpert would garner more in return if you were to dangle them in front of gm's. Would you like to compare their respective conferences now?

d. Melo was a physical alpha playing for his future draft status and doing it against boys when he won with syracuse. Different animal. He is now a 30 yr old pampered multi multi millionaire who will (if he signs with chicago) be playing for the architect of the most acclaimed defensive scheme in the nba. Thibadeau requires the same hustle and teamwork on offense as he does defensively. NO ballstopping. Melo and Thibadeau are like oil and water.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Ronnie Rep on July 06, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
Lebron is meeting with Pat Riley in the next few days. Should all come together by Thursday.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: ChopperRider on July 06, 2014, 10:12:55 PM
a. Thats exactly the point.

b. Ny had no choice but to overpay to bring amare in. Thats the only reason he came here. No amare = no melo. They signed him with the hopes of attracting other big name FA's. With no pieces and a being the bottomless pit of ineptitude, as a ny'er, I give him credit for coming here.

c. Hmm, no. Shumpert would garner more in return if you were to dangle them in front of gm's. Would you like to compare their respective conferences now?

d. Melo was a physical alpha playing for his future draft status and doing it against boys when he won with syracuse. Different animal. He is now a 30 yr old pampered multi multi millionaire who will (if he signs with chicago) be playing for the architect of the most acclaimed defensive scheme in the nba. Thibadeau requires the same hustle and teamwork on offense as he does defensively. NO ballstopping. Melo and Thibadeau are like oil and water.

No way in hell that Carmelo ends up in Chicago.

Not a chance.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: POB on July 06, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
I always thought lebron would be on the lakers at some point. They always have a star and they have the $,Kobes done and they need a star. Give lebron 7 year stupid $ and seats are sold out for the whole contract. They'll build around him. Maybe bosh comes,not wade. I just don't see him staying with wade long term, maybe a few more years,but no way he would let wade end with one more ring than him. No way.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 07, 2014, 04:08:27 AM
I always thought lebron would be on the lakers at some point. They always have a star and they have the $,Kobes done and they need a star. Give lebron 7 year stupid $ and seats are sold out for the whole contract. They'll build around him. Maybe bosh comes,not wade. I just don't see him staying with wade long term, maybe a few more years,but no way he would let wade end with one more ring than him. No way.

I believe kobe is finished, he will be one of those athletes that comes back and has completely lost it.
I think lakers under jim buss is fairly fucked. Remember those fucken banners asking Dwight Howard to stay, how embarrassing.

Kobe has not done anything in last 2 years but get injured and prove father time has him via a chokehold.
let him do his own thing, he wont let lebron or melo play the way they want to, no because he has 5 rings cause his ego and arrogance are above his own talent and they will be miserable.
Melo should stay in New York, the west is too strong anyway.
Lebron should go back to Cleveland. also should spit in dwades fucken face.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Redux on July 07, 2014, 05:28:14 AM
I don't know where LeBrick and Fatmelo will end up but I'm going to be damn happy when that fat turd Brian Whitehurst isn't on my TV or radio every 5 minutes giving updates on this nonsense.
Seriously, that fat turd has made an entire career out of having gone to high school with LeBron.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 07, 2014, 05:37:35 AM
I don't know where LeBrick and Fatmelo will end up but I'm going to be damn happy when that fat turd Brian Whitehurst isn't on my TV or radio every 5 minutes giving updates on this nonsense.
Seriously, that fat turd has made an entire career out of having gone to high school with LeBron.

I don't mind him that much, Chris Broussard is by far the worst.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Redux on July 07, 2014, 05:51:58 AM
I don't mind him that much, Chris Broussard is by far the worst.
Broussard makes me want to poke my eardrums out with a pencil.
Hopefully those negro divas announce where they are going to play at this week.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 07, 2014, 06:23:58 AM
Broussard makes me want to poke my eardrums out with a pencil.
Hopefully those negro divas announce where they are going to play at this week.

No way carmelo's ugly wife lets him walk away from a extra 30M the knicks will offer.

I think Phil Jackson and Derek fisher will make the knicks worse. Phil is a good motivator, but it gets old.
last time phil coached lakers got swept by the mavs.

If melo leaves, Jackson will realise this was a big mistake.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 07, 2014, 08:16:07 AM
Lebron is meeting with Pat Riley in the next few days. Should all come together by Thursday.

Is lebron meeting Riley today to tell him - face to face - that he appreciates everything Miami has given him, but he's ready to move on?

IMO, Riley "outing" the fact lebron and wifey were expecting a child was the final straw.
http://www.bet.com/news/celebrities/2014/06/20/pat-riley-says-lebron-james-and-wife-expecting-baby-girl.html

It's not Riley's place to share that publicly.  Until lebron's family announces it, it's their business and their secret. 

I think today, Riley gets the news from Lebron and his team - we're outta here.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 07, 2014, 10:03:07 AM
I think the Lakers front office has lost their ability to make smart decisions.  The free agents they are going after are just, WTF?  Carmelo and Lance Stephenson?  They drafted and undersized power forward with the 7th pick.  They offered an injured, 35 year old Kobe Bryant 24 million a year and then pretend like it's not going to limit their options to sign free agents.

These guys are in denial.  Ever since the Chris Paul trade got vetoed the Lakers management reminds me of a poker player on tilt.  They aren't using their heads.  As a lifetime Laker fan I'm feeling like it's going to be a while before this team is ready to win again.  Shaking my head right now.

Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: SOMEPARTS on July 07, 2014, 10:07:20 AM
Lakers need a Danny Ainge type in the front office to blow Kobe outta there. They could've been rebuilding for a couple years at this point.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 07, 2014, 10:18:25 AM
I don't think LA can afford to lose Kobe under any circumstances.  He only has a couple more years anyway and it's going to take at least that long to rebuild your team.  All I'm asking is that they not bring in lazy players(Melo), undersized players(Randle), or players with a screw loose(Stephenson).  They are trying to get big names and "make a big splash" and I don't think that is the way to rebuild right now.  The superstars that we could potentially sign aren't the answer.  Kevin Love?  Yeah right.

Start from the ground up and get some young talent in there.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: 240 is Back on July 07, 2014, 11:13:45 AM
if kobe would just shock us all and take a Duncan or Novitski deal, they could afford Lebron, melo AND keep Gasol.

I think he ACTS like he is crazy about winning, but deep down, he's just about getting paid.  You don't see tim duncan screaming about how all he cares about it winning - you see him playing for well below market value to keep himself in contention every single year.

IMO, anyone shitting on miami for buying a team should look at the NBA, it happens all the time.  DAL almost beat Spurs and could definitely beat them next year.  They win that round, and they probably win a title.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 07, 2014, 12:13:45 PM
if kobe would just shock us all and take a Duncan or Novitski deal, they could afford Lebron, melo AND keep Gasol.

I think he ACTS like he is crazy about winning, but deep down, he's just about getting paid.  You don't see tim duncan screaming about how all he cares about it winning - you see him playing for well below market value to keep himself in contention every single year.

IMO, anyone shitting on miami for buying a team should look at the NBA, it happens all the time.  DAL almost beat Spurs and could definitely beat them next year.  They win that round, and they probably win a title.

Kobe wants to get paid and win.  So far he has been able to do both over his career.  This last contract may have been a bad move though.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Natural Man on July 07, 2014, 12:37:10 PM
No way carmelo's ugly wife lets him walk away from a extra 30M the knicks will offer.

I think Phil Jackson and Derek fisher will make the knicks worse. Phil is a good motivator, but it gets old.
last time phil coached lakers got swept by the mavs.

If melo leaves, Jackson will realise this was a big mistake.

what if pjax doesnt care and is just there for the money?
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Quickerblade on July 07, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
Pray4War speaking the truth!!
Lakers are going for the splash and not going for the right choice.
Lance Stephenson hahahaha.
The contract they gave Kobe was a blunder by management.
Randle will be a flop.
I predict Kobe to have a shocking season, lakers fans will boo him.
His not fast enough or elusive  to get a shot off and his not blowing by any of the 22 yr olds, he will get mad, frustrated and blame his team or mates. Classic Kobe.

Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: Pray_4_War on July 07, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Pray4War speaking the truth!!
Lakers are going for the splash and not going for the right choice.
Lance Stephenson hahahaha.
The contract they gave Kobe was a blunder by management.
Randle will be a flop.
I predict Kobe to have a shocking season, lakers fans will boo him.
His not fast enough or elusive  to get a shot off and his not blowing by any of the 22 yr olds, he will get mad, frustrated and blame his team or mates. Classic Kobe.



I'm as big of a Kobe homer as you'll find but I didn't like what I saw from him last season.  He only played a few games so I probably shouldn't completely judge him on that but he wasn't getting any lift on his jump shot.  I believe he is crafty enough and he has the footwork and skill necessary to make up for any lost explosiveness but if he can't elevate for his jumper it will be bad news.  

If anyone can overcome and Achilles injury it's Kobe though so I do have faith that he'll still be pretty good.  Kobe has zero patience for bad teammates and losing games so if the Lakers front office doesn't clean up their act it could be ugly the next couple years.  A lot of things are in flux for LA right now so t will be interesting to see what happens.
Title: Re: Lebron/Carmelo Free Agency Bullshit
Post by: calfzilla on July 07, 2014, 04:16:29 PM
The next big Lakers star is probably still in high school right now.