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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: weedoutheweak on January 26, 2006, 10:34:43 PM
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How many calories do you guys take in a day? I float around 7k.
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3500
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How many calories do you guys take in a day? I float around 7k.
7000..why? How much of that is actually assimilated and how much is waste?
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Around 17K
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How many calories do you guys take in a day? I float around 7k.
You must have one HELL of a metabolism as that many REAL calories a day would make 99.9% of all people fatter than hell. That's equivilant to about 7 loaded double whoppers with cheese.
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I have to take in a lot of real calories, so I drop the heat a lot. Right now I'm training 1-3 hours a day, and doing cardio a minimum of 3 hours a week. I have a 4-pack. The only abs that aren't visible are my lower abs. I'm a tall guy, so it's all relevant.
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It's almost all healthy foods. However, I do eat 1-2 candy bars a day.
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Yes, my grocery bill is outrageous.
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I drink at least a gallon of virgin olive oil per day.
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the calories you eat should depend on what you weigh and what is your goal... duh
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2000-25000 fairly clean calories a day. that about average. some days i'll pump it up or some days i'll back depends on what i feel like.
7K seems out of control, and 3 hours of cardio on none contest diet is out of control. i would cut back on the cardio and energy supplements. work out for an hour instead and cut back on the calories. since you say your taller guys it probably would do legs some good to not do so much cardio maybe they will fill out better. these are all assumptions, but if it works it works but it just ludicrisp yo!
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4,000
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I drink at least a gallon of virgin olive oil per day.
you must be HUGE, do you rinse as well?
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2000-25000 fairly clean calories a day. that about average. some days i'll pump it up or some days i'll back depends on what i feel like.
7K seems out of control, and 3 hours of cardio on none contest diet is out of control. i would cut back on the cardio and energy supplements. work out for an hour instead and cut back on the calories. since you say your taller guys it probably would do legs some good to not do so much cardio maybe they will fill out better. these are all assumptions, but if it works it works but it just ludicrisp yo!
I think you have me confused w/ someone else. I don't take energy supplements, and my legs aren't hurting for size.
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3 hrs a day? are you juiced? and 7K calories? are you pregnant?
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How many calories do you guys take in a day? I float around 7k.
how much protein, carbs, fat? estimate?
and how much do you weigh?
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Around 1800 right now
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Probably 3000.....no doubt about it.
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Probably 3000.....no doubt about it.
I'll keep bumpn' em if you keep replyn'
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I'll keep bumpn' em if you keep replyn'
webcke will reply.....no doubt about it.
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This is Weedouttheweek - for real
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94466.0;attach=102410;image)
He was good friends with 240 ;D
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I just pm boonstack for my daily quota.
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This is Weedouttheweek - for real
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94466.0;attach=102410;image)
He was good friends with 240 ;D
LOL. Kiwi with the blast from the past with 'Mr. shut the fuck up and train, himself.' Man, did that guy get flamed. He's probably still in the burn unit. :D
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4,000
Perma bulker!!!.... :D
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around 6000 a day
Work out 4 days a week, eat 6 times a day, every 2 horus exactly, end up walking around 3 hours a day due to classes/dining hall location on campus..
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700 one day
3500 the next
repeat....
Massive size gains
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2000-25000 fairly clean calories a day. that about average. some days i'll pump it up or some days i'll back depends on what i feel like.
2000-25000? So your calorie intake can vary by as much as 23000 calories?
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5k-6k i reckon
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5k-6k i reckon
bullshit.
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Yeah I have a big appetitite and am not eating cleanly at the moment
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In general, around 2 500 to 3 000 max. Except if I'm really trying to gain weight, then I'll go up to 4 000 or a bit more which is way enought to add weight. Even if you're athletic, you can maintain your size with just 2 000 calories a day (for most athletic people).
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In general, around 2 500 to 3 000 max. Except if I'm really trying to gain weight, then I'll go up to 4 000 or a bit more which is way enought to add weight. Even if you're athletic, you can maintain your size with just 2 000 calories a day (for most athletic people).
No way,2,000 calories a day and id be starving
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right now 1,200
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what handle does weedoutheweak now post under?
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+- 3-3.5K to maintain 225, sometimes a lot more , sometimes less.
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everyone of you who says 4000 are fatter than holy hell.
and people who claim 7000 are simply morons.
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everyone of you who says 4000 are fatter than holy hell.
and people who claim 7000 are simply morons.
Im not fat yet I take in 5-6k calories a day,im 250lbs though,I dunno,some people just eat more
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Im not fat yet I take in 5-6k calories a day,im 250lbs though,I dunno,some people just eat more
are you on steroids? because no natural bodybuilder eats 5-6k per day and doesn't get fat.
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No way,2,000 calories a day and id be starving
you wouldn't be starving, most natural bodybuilders that I have competed with, including myself diet on 2-2.5 k
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1000
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guys who are saying 1-2 k while dieting are atleast being honest, then there are people claiming to eat 7 times
more than them lol
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I never claimed to be natural Christopher
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I never claimed to be natural Christopher
eactly ;D
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everyone of you who says 4000 are fatter than holy hell.
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Why are you rolling your eyes like you know shit? Who do you think you are - Boonstack ???
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1000
TAUSEND ist korrrrekt, JAWOLLLL!!!
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This is Weedouttheweek - for real
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94466.0;attach=102410;image)
He was good friends with 240 ;D
But standing next Jay will make anyone look like your avaerage fatt azz or skinny fukkk - so give dude the benifit
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But standing next Jay will make anyone look like your avaerage fatt azz or skinny fukkk - so give dude the benifit
Hi Weed, how was Timeout?
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Hi Weed, how was Timeout?
Naw man aint him
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Why are you rolling your eyes like you know shit? Who do you think you are - Boonstack ???
haha ok kiwiol, why the hate? I actually defended you the other day. Some guys on the board said you rented brokeback mountain, cops and cocks 4, and lord of the cockrings at your local videostore, so i said bullshit, kiwiol doesn't like brokeback mountain, it doesn't have enough "action" in it.
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Hahahaha, but ofcourse kiwiol. ;D
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everyone of you who says 4000 are fatter than holy hell.
and people who claim 7000 are simply morons.
wrong on both accounts
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exactly 3001 CALS :o
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Between 3500-4000 depending on the day...I can't imagine eating 7000 cals a day, maybe on a cheat day, but that many cals day in and day out is pretty crazy.
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in all honesty i think these people who claim to eat 7000 cals a day are mistaking kjouls for kcals.
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in all honesty i think these people who claim to eat 7000 cals a day are mistaking kjouls for kcals.
you look like you have a fucking good go at it every day
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you look like you have a fucking good go at it every day
exactly - i eat 3000 and maintain.
just now i'm eating 3000, but losing 1 lb a week because i'm doing hiit every day fucking your mom - how the fvck can these people eat double that :o
on the plus side my deadlift has improved thanks to the strength i've gained in my hips pounding her ass.
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exactly - i eat 3000 and maintain.
just now i'm eating 3000, but losing 1 lb a week because i'm doing hiit every day fucking your mom - how the fvck can these people eat double that :o
on the plus side my deadlift has improved thanks to the strength i've gained in my hips pounding her ass.
good luck fucking my mom
bitch is 65 years old
spose a fat cvnt like you can't get young pussy :D
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exactly - i eat 3000 and maintain.
I call bullshit on the 3000 cals, that's breakfast, right? ;D
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good luck fucking my mom
bitch is 65 years old
spose a fat #### like you can't get young pussy :D
trust me, she fucks like a teen ;)
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a lot of bullshitters in this thread.
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a lot of bullshitters in this thread.
;D ;D
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I call bullshit on the 3000 cals, that's breakfast, right? ;D
how dare you show your face here again after deserting us for md >:( ;D
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trust me, she fucks like a teen ;)
she said you cried like a baby
and wanted some role reversal :-X
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how dare you show your face here again after deserting us for md >:( ;D
What is this "MD" you're talking about? ;D
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What is this "MD" you're talking about? ;D
ur worse than lee priest ;D
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Between 3500-4000 depending on the day...I can't imagine eating 7000 cals a day, maybe on a cheat day, but that many cals day in and day out is pretty crazy.
not flaming but there is no way you are eating near 4000 and not gaining fat.
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a lot of bullshitters in this thread.
what I don't get is why people have to lie about how much they eat ???
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i did, it was a beauiful experience. if i recall it was on halloween.
heres a pic i took before the event.
she had to throw that broom stick away dude
said you were trying to fly with it stuck up your shitter :-[
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i did, it was a beauiful experience. if i recall it was on halloween.
heres a pic i took before the event.
id fuck her
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i did, it was a beauiful experience. if i recall it was on halloween.
heres a pic i took before the event.
ok that's fucking sick, reported >:(
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:)
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ok that's fucking sick, reported >:(
hey >:( don't talk about my booty call and bigmc's gran like that >:(
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hey >:( don't talk about my booty call and bigmc's gran like that >:(
seems christopher is a little jealous that you are getting some panda
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ok that's fucking sick, reported >:(
Why the gimmick Stark?
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seems christopher is a little jealous that you are getting some panda
yes, perhaps if it was a pic of your grandfather he'd be more appreciative :-\
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Calories are irrelevant anyway, all that matters is rate of weight change.
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Calories are irrelevant anyway, all that matters is rate of weight change.
i disagree ;D
just like old times eh ;) :D
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Why the gimmick Stark?
OFFTOPIC! REPORTED
please make post relevent to the topic
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Calories are irrelevant anyway, all that matters is rate of weight change.
wrong you god damned pumpkin head ;D
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id fuck her
x2
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i disagree ;D
just like old times eh ;) :D
I ran out of material, I got nothing ;D
When are we going to see the ripped panda? ;D
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I ran out of material, I got nothing :D
When are we going to see the ripped panda? :D
what do you even mean by ratio of weight change? ??? ???
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not flaming but there is no way you are eating near 4000 and not gaining fat.
Haha...dude you don't know me, my activity level, or my metabolism, I might not be shredded right now, but I'm definitely not fat at all.
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what do you even mean by ratio of weight change? ??? ???
Well usually you gain weight on a bulk, lose weight on a cut, and maintain weight when you maintain.
The amount of calories to do that isn't really important, it's not the same for everyone anyway, depends on many factors.
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I ran out of material, I got nothing ;D
When are we going to see the ripped panda? ;D
i took a small break over xmas :-[
i was showing some americans around scotland and we ate out everyday. :-[ so i lost track of things.
i'm firing all cylinders now though, so around 3-4 months 8)
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Haha...dude you don't know me, my activity level, or my metabolism, I might not be shredded right now, but I'm definitely not fat at all.
I don't care who you are, chances are you are not running 10k everyday
I didn't say you were fat, I said there is no way you were NOT gaining fat on 4000 calories ;)
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Well usually you gain weight on a bulk, lose weight on a cut, and maintain weight when you maintain.
The amount of calories to do that isn't really important, it's not the same for everyone anyway, depends on many factors.
calories are really important actually, lol.
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I don't even do cardio at all in the winter, and I stay under 10% bf natural, it's really not that crazy I eat 6-7 times a day around 600 cals a meal..all I have to do to get leaner is kick in some cardio a few times a week, I never change the amount of food I eat, I'd would rather just do cardio..
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wave i thought you agreed with apenis that a calorie is a calorie ?
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around 3000
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I don't even do cardio at all in the winter, and I stay under 10% bf natural, it's really not that crazy I eat 6-7 times a day around 600 cals a meal..all I have to do to get leaner is kick in some cardio a few times a week, I never change the amount of food I eat, I'd would rather just do cardio..
can you describe your cardio ? hiit or ss? duration, running, cycling etc
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around 3000
finally we have a man who tells the truth
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can you describe your cardio ? hiit or ss? duration, running, cycling etc
I love to run and swim, so in the summer when I want to get leaner, I'll run or swim for usually an hour or so a few times a week, I want to eventually get into triathalons when I get older.
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calories are really important actually, lol.
How does the absolute amount of calories matter as long as the desired rate of weight change is maintained? One 200lb person may need 3000 kcals for maintenance, another 200lb person may need 3500 kcals, depending on various factors.
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I don't care who you are, chances are you are not running 10k everyday
I didn't say you were fat, I said there is no way you were NOT gaining fat on 4000 calories ;)
Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.
-Hope this helps. :o Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.
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I love to run and swim, so in the summer when I want to get leaner, I'll run or swim for usually an hour or so a few times a week, I want to eventually get into triathalons when I get older.
swiming is soooooooooooooo hard.
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wave i thought you agreed with apenis that a calorie is a calorie ?
I never said a calorie is a calorie. It's a statement that makes absolutely no sense anyway because it's simply redundant. 8)
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How does the absolute amount of calories matter as long as the desired rate of weight change is maintained? One 200lb person may need 3000 kcals for maintenance, another 200lb person may need 3500 kcals, depending on various factors.
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if they are both losing 1 pound of fat a week who cares?
you consider the activity level when you structure your diet.
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Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.
-Hope this helps. :o Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.
Thats what I'm sayin, everybody is different, just cause one guy gets fat on 4,000 cals a day, doesn't apply to everybody, so many factors come into play, especially body type, I'm an ectomorph, so it takes alot of food for me to maintain or gain weight, for a endomorph it may be totally different.
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I never said a calorie is a calorie. It's a statement that makes absolutely no sense anyway because it's simply redundant. 8)
in terms of strictly weight loss, a calorie is a calorie when we are talking about fat's and carbs.
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i took a small break over xmas :-[
i was showing some americans around scotland and we ate out everyday. :-[ so i lost track of things.
i'm firing all cylinders now though, so around 3-4 months 8)
Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez! ;D
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swiming is soooooooooooooo hard.
IMO best workout possible, improves endurance, muscularity, leaness, low impact...
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Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez! ;D
that sounds brotastic ;D
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Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez! ;D
an apple and water a day? :D
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in terms of strictly weight loss, a calorie is a calorie when we are talking about fat's and carbs.
I would rather say that the ratio doesn't matter for body composition as long as rate of weight change is the same. It's possible that one must take in a different amount of "calories" on different ratios for the same rate of weight change though.
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IMO best workout possible, improves endurance, muscularity, leaness, low impact...
i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.
but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.
never swam since ;D
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if they are both losing 1 pound of fat a week who cares?
That's exactly what I meant, the absolute value doesn't matter. It depends on genetics, activity level, age, etc. 8)
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I would rather say that the ratio doesn't matter for body composition as long as rate of weight change is the same. It's possible that one must take in a different amount of "calories" on different ratios for the same rate of weight change though.
i don't understand what you are trying to say ?
if you take away 500cals in the form of protein only, the majority of weight loss will come from muscle.
if you take away 500cals in the form of fats or carbs while keeping protien the same the weight loss will come mostly or all from bodyfat
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i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.
but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.
never swam since ;D
do my diet and you will be ripped to shreds and beyond.
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i don't understand what you are trying to say ?
if you take away 500cals in the form of protein only, the majority of weight loss will come from muscle.
if you take away 500cals in the form of fats or carbs while keeping protien the same the weight loss will come mostly or all from bodyfat
I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.
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I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.
that's not how your body works ;)
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that's not how your body works ;)
Elaborate.
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i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.
but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.
never swam since ;D
Ever thought about actually dieting?
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Elaborate.
sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.
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Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.
-Hope this helps. :o Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.
Dave Tate was/is on the best pharma money can buy. ;)
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I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.
for fat loss i agree the ration of carbs/fat does not matter - only calories.
health wise it may be a different matter.
protein is a seperate thing altogether.
Ever thought about actually dieting?
hi AXA, since you are interested i was at my best ever shape during that trip - so fat wasn't the problem. Swimming is just extremely hard.
i imagine you feel the same about weights - thats why you only lift pink dumbbells and look like this
BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOM
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do my diet and you will be ripped to shreds and beyond.
I'm pretty sure Mauro D'Pasquale is the inventor of this diet..
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sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.
I tried low carb diets and keto diets. I tried just about every diet there is.
That aside, you got any reference to scientific studies on body composition that would prove that (for most people) a keto diet preserves more muscle compared to a high protein diets that includes carbs?
The other points you mentioned are irrelevant for body composition but I would also be interested in studies on those points.
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at my best ever shape during that trip
So only 45% bf back then? Impressive, candy bar sales must have been down.
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sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.
calories i have addressed.
keto diets - no, i was on one for around 8 months, felt weak, tired, craved carbs the whole time. lost strength, shoulder joints were inflammed and dry, weight loss stalled - even on 1000 cals.
it may be healthier in terms of lipid profiles etc, but i feel 100x better on carbs. i'm stronger, i'm sleeping better ( no more insomnia), and losing weight at 3000cals.
go figure :-\
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I tried low carb diets and keto diets. I tried just about every diet there is.
That aside, you got any reference to scientific studies on body composition that would prove that (for most people) a keto diet preserves more muscle compared to a high protein diets that includes carbs?
The other points you mentioned are irrelevant for body composition but I would also be interested in studies on those points.
i have studies that show you do spare more muscle with high fat diets than with high carb, but over 3-4 months the difference is only around a pound or 2, so not really worth the effort of eating dry boring meat everyday IMO.
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i have studies that show you do spare more muscle with high fat diets than with high carb, but over 3-4 months the difference is only around a pound or 2, so not really worth the effort of eating dry boring meat everyday IMO.
Were both equal in protein? Was the high fat diet keto?
Would be interested in links if online. 8)
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Were both equal in protein? Was the high fat diet keto?
Would be interested in links if online. 8)
pm me your email - i have a great book i'll send you 8) it has all the studies you need.
actually its the best book i've read on nutrition.
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pm me your email - i have a great book i'll send you 8) it has all the studies you need.
actually its the best book i've read on nutrition.
Oh brother. ::)
The only subject you enlighten anyone on is force feeding.
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calories i have addressed.
keto diets - no, i was on one for around 8 months, felt weak, tired, craved carbs the whole time. lost strength, shoulder joints were inflammed and dry, weight loss stalled - even on 1000 cals.
it may be healthier in terms of lipid profiles etc, but i feel 100x better on carbs. i'm stronger, i'm sleeping better ( no more insomnia), and losing weight at 3000cals.
go figure :-\
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when in ketosis you are more energetic than ever, your body has endless fuel.
you never crave carbs, ketogenic diets are anti inflamatory, weight loss stalled? ???
and you were on it for 8 months? ???
can you post your diet?
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can you post your diet?
Mcdonalds and fried lard. Repeat.
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Were both equal in protein? Was the high fat diet keto?
Would be interested in links if online. 8)
ketogenic diets are protein sparing, on a balanced diet, once your body runs out of carbs, it will release cortisol to rise the blood sugar
by breaking down amino acids, this doesn't happen when you are in ketosis.
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ketogenic diets are protein sparing, on a balanced diet, once your body runs out of carbs, it will release cortisol to rise the blood sugar
by breaking down amino acids, this doesn't happen when you are in ketosis.
That's a theory on a certain scientific aspect but not a study on body composition. Plus most bodybuilders seem to do fine on high protein diets that include carbs. I did worse on a keto diet.
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Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.
-Hope this helps. :o Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.
lost 2 pounds of fat a week.or 2 pounds a week?there's a big difference.
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lost 2 pounds of fat a week.or 2 pounds a week?there's a big difference.
Dave Tate is a Westside lifter -ie. heavy gear. His 'transformation' is impressive and is documented on-line, but let's be honest, unless you're Luke Wood, losing some pounds on serious gear and using thyroids is not exactly rocket science.
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so far around 3500
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so far around 3500
Any of that amount from non-bread viands? :D
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Any of that amount from non-bread viands? :D
2000cals is from guiness ;D
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Any of that amount from non-bread viands? :D
breakfast...100g of oats with milk
2 bananas, 2 powerade drinks and a small chocolate bar
large subway meal with crisps and coke
2x minced steak burritto
2x packets of skittles, mars duo, coke
tonight i will eat...more bread, oats and a mars duo along with some tuna
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breakfast...100g of oats with milk
2 bananas, 2 powerade drinks and a small chocolate bar
large subway meal with crisps and coke
2x minced steak burritto
2x packets of skittles, mars duo, coke
tonight i will eat...more bread, oats and a mars duo along with some tuna
Good on you, Goudy. Enjoy. I'm *ahem* older than you, and if I ate like you I'd need an epinephrine injection. :D
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dude, i like your posts.
what age are you and where abouts are you from. this sounds queer but i was wondering lol
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breakfast...100g of oats with milk
2 bananas, 2 powerade drinks and a small chocolate bar
large subway meal with crisps and coke
2x minced steak burritto
2x packets of skittles, mars duo, coke
tonight i will eat...more bread, oats and a mars duo along with some tuna
Hell yeah Goudy that makes me hungry again.
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I tried low carb diets and keto diets. I tried just about every diet there is.
That aside, you got any reference to scientific studies on body composition that would prove that (for most people) a keto diet preserves more muscle compared to a high protein diets that includes carbs?
The other points you mentioned are irrelevant for body composition but I would also be interested in studies on those points.
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on the anabolic diet, testosterone and HGH are elevated, insulin and cortisol are decreased
so it is rerelvant
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breakfast...100g of oats with milk
2 bananas, 2 powerade drinks and a small chocolate bar
large subway meal with crisps and coke
2x minced steak burritto
2x packets of skittles, mars duo, coke
tonight i will eat...more bread, oats and a mars duo along with some tuna
not hating, but if you are 250 pounds (like you claim), you have over 60 pounds of fat to lose to be in contest shape, even at your height
you would not be over 200 on stage.
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That's a theory on a certain scientific aspect but not a study on body composition. Plus most bodybuilders seem to do fine on high protein diets that include carbs. I did worse on a keto diet.
I have seen you on Muscular Development, we argued enough about this subject on there, you saw the proof ;)
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not hating, but if you are 250 pounds (like you claim), you have over 60 pounds of fat to lose to be in contest shape, even at your height
you would not be over 200 on stage.
I weighed myself at 240lbs in clothes earlier so maybe 233lbs.
To be in contest shape i would have a good 20lbs to lose
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on the anabolic diet, testosterone and HGH are elevated, insulin and cortisol are decreased
so it is rerelvant
If this is true and has a significant effect on body composition it would show up in a study about body composition. If not, it's obviously irrelevant for body composition.
I have seen you on Muscular Development, we argued enough about this subject on there, you saw the proof ;)
Can't remember. Experts with scientific background disagree on the topic. Most experts lean towards a diet that includes carbs. Most bodybuilders follow a diet that includes carbs. My body composition got worse on a keto diet. Some people do well on it though.
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If this is true and has a significant effect on body composition it would show up in a study about body composition. If not, it's obviously irrelevant for body composition.
Can't remember. Experts with scientific background disagree on the topic. Most experts lean towards a diet that includes carbs. Most bodybuilders follow a diet that includes carbs. My body composition got worse on a keto diet. Some people do well on it though.
In this age of the obesity epidemic, some careful work reported in the May issue of the Journal by Johnston et al (1) provides more information to help solve the problem. With strict controls in a 6-wk trial, they directly compared 2 diets: a ketogenic very-low carbohydrate (KLC) diet and a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet. They concluded that the KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. Thus, the use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted. This conclusion is amplified by the article's title and by its final sentence: "Patients should know that there is no apparent metabolic advantage associated with ketosis during dieting."
As shown in Table 1 of the article by Johnston et al, the 2 diets were equal in energy content (1500 kcal/d). The major nutrients provided daily by the KLC and NLC diets, respectively, were as follows: 33 and 157 g carbohydrate, 125 and 117 g protein, 100 and 50 g total fat, 35 and 13 g saturated fat, 34 and 16 g monounsaturated fat, 14 and 7 g polyunsaturated fat, 15 and 30 g fiber, and 620 and 230 mg cholesterol. Could some of the adverse metabolic effects reported in this study support the long-expressed concerns about the high-fat Atkins diet? Specifically, should the conclusion of Johnston et al have been that a ketogenic diet that is high in saturated fat and cholesterol is not warranted for weight loss? It can be shown that a blanket rejection of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
It is safe to assume that no species could have survived millions of years if its members could not tolerate occasional brief periods of natural starvation, which itself is ketogenic. In fact, everyone approaches ketogenesis in the sleep portion of every diurnal cycle. If only water is ingested, stores of liver glycogen decrease steadily to zero in the first 12–24 h (2, 3). The body then must rely heavily on its vital gluconeogenesis capability to meet the needs of the body for glucose when carbohydrate is not available in sufficient amounts from the diet or from glycogen reserves. A supply of glucose is necessary, especially for the nervous system and erythrocytes. Death usually results if gluconeogenesis fails (2). At the same time, concentrations of insulin and glucose decrease (glucose decreases toward 3 mmol/L) while glucagon increases. These changes initiate a strong increase in the concentration of free fatty acids as the body switches from the fed state to the starved state. Although slightly delayed, the concentration of blood ketone bodies increases from a negligible value to 2 mmol/L (2, 3). As noted decades ago, after 3 d, hunger decreases considerably as the concentration of these ketone bodies continues to increase to >4 mmol/L (3, 4). Ketosis arises because the major fuel being burned is fat from body stores. The brain spares some glucose by using these ketone bodies. This mild ketosis is the body's natural adaptation to starvation and is not to be confused with the dangerous ketoacidosis associated with untreated type 1 diabetes. When zero calories are ingested, the maximum possible rate of weight loss occurs, and there will likely not be a flat weight-loss plateau. Of course, the ingestion of zero calories for an extended time is not healthful because of the total lack of vital nutrients of all kinds.
The protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) is a human-engineered variation on natural starvation designed to extend the period of rapid weight loss and low hunger while preventing the body from catabolizing itself. Because of the special biochemical importance of glucose, essentially the same changes as described above for starvation take place if little glucose-producing food (carbohydrate) is ingested, despite the fact that protein and fat are still being ingested. Ketostix (Bayer Corporation, Elkhart, IN) can be used to verify the presence of ketosis in 3 d. Enough protein must be eaten to provide for the usual daily needs for amino acids plus enough to supply the now-required gluconeogenesis. The total amount of protein needed is not large, 1.3 g protein/kg ideal body wt (5). In this 1976 article, Bistrian et al conclude that "For diabetics with some endogenous insulin reserve, the PSMF offers significant advantages for weight reduction, including preservation of lean body mass (as reflected in nitrogen balance) and withdrawal of exogenous insulin." The small amount of carbohydrate allowed must be chosen carefully to maximize the nutrients per gram of carbohydrate.
A controlled study compared reports of appetite and symptoms in 28 obese subjects randomly assigned to either a 500-kcal PSMF or a 1200-kcal balanced diet (6). During the first comparison month, the subjects who consumed the PSMF lost significantly more weight and reported significantly less hunger than did the subjects who consumed the balanced diet; the former group reported significantly greater problems with cold intolerance, constipation, dizziness, dry skin, and fatigue. A ketogenic diet was developed early in the 20th century to successfully treat children with drug refractory epilepsy (7). A direct comparison showed that saturated fat is undesirable even when a high-fat ketogenic diet is required, as in special treatments of refractory epilepsy (8). A 2-wk carefully controlled inpatient study showed that a ketogenic diet was beneficial for the control of weight and blood glucose concentrations in diabetic patients. Cutting carbohydrate consumption to 20 g/d produced a spontaneous reduction in calories of 1000 kcal/d with little change in hunger, diet satisfaction, or energy levels (9).
Clearly, one major advantage of the ketogenic diet is that it allows the calorie intake to be cut drastically without producing ravenous hunger. A suggestion for extending the benefits of ketogenic weight-loss diets would be to alternate 1–3 wk of the PSMF with longer periods of the Heller plan (10). The Heller plan allows for one full, healthful, balanced meal plus snacks daily that follow a PSMF protocol. This would enable the consumption of useful amounts of vital plant foods while taking the body back and forth through the entire cycle of emptying (23 h) and refilling (1 h) the liver's glycogen stores.
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
No conflicts of interest were reported.
REFERENCES
Johnston CS, Tjonn SL, Swan PD, White A, Hutchins H, Sears B. Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets. Am J Clin Nutr 2006;83:1055–61.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Murray RK, Granner DK, Mayes PA, Rodwell VW. Harpers illustrated biochemistry. 26th ed. New York, NY: Lange Medical Books/McGraw-Hill, 2003.
Bender, DA. Introduction to nutrition and metabolism. 3rd ed. New York, NY: Taylor & Francis, 2002.
Ezrin C, Kowalski RE. The type II diabetes diet book. Los Angeles, CA: Lowell House, 1995.
Bistrian BR, Blackburn GL, Flatt JP, Sizer J, Scrimshaw NS, Sherman M. Nitrogen metabolism and insulin requirements in obese diabetic adults on a protein-sparing modified fast. Diabetes 1976;25:494–504.[Abstract]
Wadden TA, Stunkard AJ, Day SC, Gould RA, Rubin CJ. Less food, less hunger: reports of appetite and symptoms in a controlled study of a protein-sparing modified fast. Int J Obes 1987;11:239–49.[Medline]
Mandel A, Ballew M, Pina-Garza JE, Stalmasek V, Clemens LH. Medical costs are reduced when children with intractable epilepsy are successfully treated with the ketogenic diet. J Am Diet Assoc 2002;102:396–8.[Medline]
Fuehrlein BS, Rutenberg MS, Silver JN, et al. Differential metabolic effects of saturated versus polyunsaturated fats in ketogenic diets. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004;89:1641–5.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Boden G, Sargrad K, Homko C, Mozzoli M, Stein TP. Effect of a low-carbohydrate diet on appetite, blood glucose levels, and insulin resistance in obese patients with type 2 diabetes. Ann Intern Med 2005;142:403–11.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Heller RF, Heller RF, Vagnini FJ. The carbohydrate addict’s healthy heart program. New York, NY: Ballantine Publishing Group/Random House, 1999.
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noone will read that. i wouldnt.
Oh yea im around 4300 cals atm :)
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noone will read that. i wouldnt.
Oh yea im around 4300 cals atm :)
lol
Goudy could get into contest shape eating prime rib and baked potatoes every night for dinner.
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ketogenic diets are protein sparing, on a balanced diet, once your body runs out of carbs, it will release cortisol to rise the blood sugar
by breaking down amino acids, this doesn't happen when you are in ketosis.
im not on either side of the agrument, both work, however cortisol is released whether your dieting on low fat or low carb.
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noone will read that. i wouldnt.
Oh yea im around 4300 cals atm :)
dude, reality check, you have to lose alot more than 20 pounds to be in contest shape.
you have never dieted down and have no idea what it's like or how much fat you really have
stop your permabulking, diet and bring up your chicken legs, geesh.
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dude, reality check, you have to lose alot more than 20 pounds to be in contest shape.
you have never dieted down and have no idea what it's like or how much fat you really have
stop your permabulking, diet and bring up your chicken legs, geesh.
Goudy will put you in a choke hold until your eye balls pop out!
Is that really what you want?
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lol
Goudy could get into contest shape eating prime rib and baked potatoes every night for dinner.
anybody can
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Goudy will put you in a choke hold until your eye balls pop out!
Is that really what you want?
thanks for contributing something useful and scientific to the thread.
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anybody can
Oh, you're Adonis's gimmick! 8)
In that case I apologize for my other comment. Welcome back señor!
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dude, reality check, you have to lose alot more than 20 pounds to be in contest shape.
you have never dieted down and have no idea what it's like or how much fat you really have
stop your permabulking, diet and bring up your chicken legs, geesh.
are you saying i would be 170lbs dieted down?
also i am not bulking at all. I just like my food and like lifting weights
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1. Bigger Muscles. The Anabolic Diet maximizes the production of your 3 muscle building hormones:
Testosterone
Growth Hormone
Insulin
At the same time, these hormones decreases the muscle breaking activity in your body. The end result? Bigger muscles.
2. Less Fat. The more fat you give your body, the less fat it stores. On the Anabolic Diet, you’ll consume high amounts of fat.
You’ll become a fat burning machine: fat will be used for energy
No more fat pockets: you’ll get rid of the love handles, double chin, …
With the Anabolic Diet you’ll be at 10% body fat, year round.
3. More Strength. You’ll feel like an animal on the Anabolic Diet. Stronger than ever:
Increased testosterone levels
Bigger muscles means more strength
Lower body fat equals increased lean body mass
The Anabolic Diet is for those who want to be strong, without looking like a fato.
4. Better Health. The Anabolic Diet includes a high consumption of meat, fats, veggies & fruit. Some health benefits include:
Decreased cholesterol & triglyceride levels
Decreased plaque buildup in arteries
Controlled insulin levels
Less food allergies, less acne
Perform a blood test before starting this diet. You’ll see the difference.
5. More Energy. Those who switch to the Anabolic Diet always report feeling more energized:
Jumping out of bed in the morning, waking up full
Better recovery from workouts & daily activities
No more blood sugar crashes
Less irritability, no more mood swings
No more heaviness after eating
And much more
Another advantage of increasing testosterone production & controlling insuline.
6. You Can Eat What You Want. With the Anabolic Diet, there’s not one food that you will have to give up.
During the week: high amounts of meat, fat, veggies & fruit
Weekend: as much carbs as you can handle
It’s not what you eat that counts, it’s when.
7. No Hunger. You’ll never feel hungry on the Anabolic Diet, even when cutting weight:
Fat satiates
Fat delays hunger
You’ll be eating more calories than before
You’ll need to remind yourself to eat most of the time
Feeling hungry is no fun. Enter the Anabolic Diet.
8. No More Bloating. The Anabolic Diet is a natural diuretic. During the first weeks, you’ll notice a loss of weight. Water. High carbs diets are linked to water retention. With the Anabolic Diet, you’ll no more have a bloated look. You’ll look better.
9. It’s Cheaper. You’ll cut expenses on the Anabolic Diet:
No need to buy low fat meat: you need the fat
No more whey: you’ll get plenty of protein from your diet
No essential fatty acids supplementation
More money in your pocket, another benefit of the Anabolic Diet.
10. No More Junk Cravings. The longer you eat healthy, the more you’ll get adverse effects from eating junk food. Eating too much junk food in the weekend will make you want to reach the couch.
After a few months on the Anabolic Diet, you’ll say goodbye to the junk cravings forever.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94466.0;attach=102410;image)
Why do people like this even associate themselves with bodybuilding? This dude looks like a cashier at McDonalds.
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training is more important than diet anyway
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training is more important than diet anyway
X2 Truly
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Perfect diet average training average results.
Awesome training average diet..great results.
I seriously believe this as i eat liek a fucking 4 year old at a birthday party
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training is more important than diet anyway
In very relative terms, yes. However, its impossible to get shredded and really look like a bodybuilder when eating crappy foods.
This is bodyBUILDING, not bodyBULKING. Too many fatasses at the gym dont understand this.
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yes obviously in last few weeks getting ready for show when presentation is what counts diet is more important.
However for the other 42 weeks of the year training is more important for strength and size
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Why do people like this even associate themselves with bodybuilding? This dude looks like a cashier at McDonalds.
does his tshirt say "shut the fuck up and train"? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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yes obviously in last few weeks getting ready for show when presentation is what counts diet is more important.
However for the other 42 weeks of the year training is more important for strength and size
I agree with you there, training is alot more important for gaining muscle than diet is
but for fatloss diet is alot more important than training.
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since tuesday, I ate about 3000 calories. well... I drank about 3000 calories, can't eat without puking.
been sick as fuck, I visited my grand-mother at the hospital on monday and I cought her flu :'(
RIP Stavios
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In very relative terms, yes. However, its impossible to get shredded and really look like a bodybuilder when eating crappy foods.
This is bodyBUILDING, not bodyBULKING. Too many fatasses at the gym dont understand this.
I hate those god damn permabulkers
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you WILL recover stavios ;D
i remember eating 1800cals total in around 7-10days.
not good lol
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yes obviously in last few weeks getting ready for show when presentation is what counts diet is more important.
However for the other 42 weeks of the year training is more important for strength and size
very true
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since tuesday, I ate about 3000 calories. well... I drank about 3000 calories, can't eat without puking.
been sick as fuck, I visited my grand-mother at the hospital on monday and I cought her flu :'(
RIP Stavios
I hope you get better Stavios.
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you WILL recover stavios ;D
i remember eating 1800cals total in around 7-10days.
not good lol
damn that sucks !
I am eating a cheesebuger right now, hope it will stay in ! first thing I eat in 3 days :'(
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Perfect diet average training average results.
Awesome training average diet..great results.
I seriously believe this as i eat liek a fucking 4 year old at a birthday party
Well done, Goudy. Truth. I wish I realized this at your age. Live and learn. :)
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you WILL recover stavios ;D
i remember eating 1800cals total in around 7-10days.
not good lol
lol
elaborate, I bet you lost alot of fat ;D
my guess, about 7 + 10(from water loss)
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it was due to a serious kidney problem i had. It was worse than the first time i had it just never wanted to go to hospital.
Never ate for days then when i tried to i kept being sick. It was a nightmare. So hungru tired and weak.
take tiny bites and chew well stavios.
I knew i was gonna be sick after a burger king other week...so i just went to bed knowing i would wake up when it was time to boke.
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Well done, Goudy. Truth. I wish I realized this at your age. Live and learn. :)
agreed, people are such scientists these days ::)
their "perfect" diet and pussy training doesn't get them anywhere, while someone training his ass off in prison
and getting prison food develops a much better physique.
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it was due to a serious kidney problem i had. It was worse than the first time i had it just never wanted to go to hospital.
Never ate for days then when i tried to i kept being sick. It was a nightmare. So hungru tired and weak.
take tiny bites and chew well stavios.
I knew i was gonna be sick after a burger king other week...so i just went to bed knowing i would wake up when it was time to boke.
what did they put in your whopper? they put some nasty stuff in there if they hate you :-\
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i dont know.
2 hours after eating it i could taste it in my stomach and mouth. Like it was rotting meat or something. Was horrible.
I just knew when i got home what was coming. Then the next day i had buttwater/shits for 2 big squirts then i was ok
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it was due to a serious kidney problem i had. It was worse than the first time i had it just never wanted to go to hospital.
Never ate for days then when i tried to i kept being sick. It was a nightmare. So hungru tired and weak.
take tiny bites and chew well stavios.
I knew i was gonna be sick after a burger king other week...so i just went to bed knowing i would wake up when it was time to boke.
damn that's crazy, kidney problems are serious :o
hope you wont have those problems anymore Goudy !
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does his tshirt say "shut the fuck up and train"? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Poor guy obviously has some sort of mental condition.
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damn that's crazy, kidney problems are serious :o
hope you wont have those problems anymore Goudy !
and if you don't believe him, ask Flex Wheeler ......... wait, he didn't learn his lesson
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damn that's crazy, kidney problems are serious :o
hope you wont have those problems anymore Goudy !
still there though latent. One kidney doesnt work. They wanted to remove it. i decided to keep it incase the other one goes pearshaped and they can maybe try a new procedure or advances in medicine mean i may get some function back
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still there though latent. One kidney doesnt work. They wanted to remove it. i decided to keep it incase the other one goes pearshaped and they can maybe try a new procedure or advances in medicine mean i may get some function back
Goudy? Horseshoe kidney? ???
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still there though latent. One kidney doesnt work. They wanted to remove it. i decided to keep it incase the other one goes pearshaped and they can maybe try a new procedure or advances in medicine mean i may get some function back
oh shit :o
what was wrong with your kidney?
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dont know.
i took creatine and ended up in hospital.
I am not saying creatine done it for sure...however it at least highlighted the problems to me.
It just doesnt filter the shit away. I had ultrasounds, dyetests, ureteroscopy (camera up ur dick) the whole lot. They coudl not say for sure. It happened when i just started training a short while.
I never knew i had kidney problems otherwise i wouldnt have taken it.
To this day i get severe sickness and pain in my kidneys from time to time. it sucks.
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dont know.
i took creatine and ended up in hospital.
I am not saying creatine done it for sure...however it at least highlighted the problems to me.
It just doesnt filter the shit away. I had ultrasounds, dyetests, ureteroscopy (camera up ur dick) the whole lot. They coudl not say for sure. It happened when i just started training a short while.
I never knew i had kidney problems otherwise i wouldnt have taken it.
To this day i get severe sickness and pain in my kidneys from time to time. it sucks.
damn man, sorry to hear that, yes you are not supposed to take creatine if you have kidney problems
and in your case I would definately NOT advise a ketogenic diet :o
camera up the dick? that must have hurt like a bitch
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i was under general anaesthetic...i never knew till i got there what they were gonna do. when they said theat i was so scared lol sitting in a flowery gown that was way to small for almost an hr waiting in a kitchen lol
it burnt liek hell to pee or jizz for days after
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i was under general anaesthetic...i never knew till i got there what they were gonna do. when they said theat i was so scared lol sitting in a flowery gown that was way to small for almost an hr waiting in a kitchen lol
it burnt liek hell to pee or jizz for days after
tell me it was a woman who did it :-\
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i doubt it :'(
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i doubt it :'(
a man?
tell me it aint so :o
oh, you were passed out :'(
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damn, you might want to search some gay sites for your video
passed out and getting raped :o
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agreed, people are such scientists these days ::)
their "perfect" diet and pussy training doesn't get them anywhere, while someone training his ass off in prison
and getting prison food develops a much better physique.
Hola Gimmick. Thinks ok? ::)
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Hola Gimmick. Thinks ok? ::)
I don't follow ???
I thought we were cool?
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In this age of the obesity epidemic, some careful work reported in the May issue of the Journal by Johnston et al (1) provides more information to help solve the problem. With strict controls in a 6-wk trial, they directly compared 2 diets: a ketogenic very-low carbohydrate (KLC) diet and a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet. They concluded that the KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. Thus, the use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted. This conclusion is amplified by the article's title and by its final sentence: "Patients should know that there is no apparent metabolic advantage associated with ketosis during dieting."
As shown in Table 1 of the article by Johnston et al, the 2 diets were equal in energy content (1500 kcal/d). The major nutrients provided daily by the KLC and NLC diets, respectively, were as follows: 33 and 157 g carbohydrate, 125 and 117 g protein, 100 and 50 g total fat, 35 and 13 g saturated fat, 34 and 16 g monounsaturated fat, 14 and 7 g polyunsaturated fat, 15 and 30 g fiber, and 620 and 230 mg cholesterol. Could some of the adverse metabolic effects reported in this study support the long-expressed concerns about the high-fat Atkins diet? Specifically, should the conclusion of Johnston et al have been that a ketogenic diet that is high in saturated fat and cholesterol is not warranted for weight loss? It can be shown that a blanket rejection of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.
It is safe to assume that no species could have survived millions of years if its members could not tolerate occasional brief periods of natural starvation, which itself is ketogenic. In fact, everyone approaches ketogenesis in the sleep portion of every diurnal cycle. If only water is ingested, stores of liver glycogen decrease steadily to zero in the first 12–24 h (2, 3). The body then must rely heavily on its vital gluconeogenesis capability to meet the needs of the body for glucose when carbohydrate is not available in sufficient amounts from the diet or from glycogen reserves. A supply of glucose is necessary, especially for the nervous system and erythrocytes. Death usually results if gluconeogenesis fails (2). At the same time, concentrations of insulin and glucose decrease (glucose decreases toward 3 mmol/L) while glucagon increases. These changes initiate a strong increase in the concentration of free fatty acids as the body switches from the fed state to the starved state. Although slightly delayed, the concentration of blood ketone bodies increases from a negligible value to 2 mmol/L (2, 3). As noted decades ago, after 3 d, hunger decreases considerably as the concentration of these ketone bodies continues to increase to >4 mmol/L (3, 4). Ketosis arises because the major fuel being burned is fat from body stores. The brain spares some glucose by using these ketone bodies. This mild ketosis is the body's natural adaptation to starvation and is not to be confused with the dangerous ketoacidosis associated with untreated type 1 diabetes. When zero calories are ingested, the maximum possible rate of weight loss occurs, and there will likely not be a flat weight-loss plateau. Of course, the ingestion of zero calories for an extended time is not healthful because of the total lack of vital nutrients of all kinds.
The protein-sparing modified fast (PSMF) is a human-engineered variation on natural starvation designed to extend the period of rapid weight loss and low hunger while preventing the body from catabolizing itself. Because of the special biochemical importance of glucose, essentially the same changes as described above for starvation take place if little glucose-producing food (carbohydrate) is ingested, despite the fact that protein and fat are still being ingested. Ketostix (Bayer Corporation, Elkhart, IN) can be used to verify the presence of ketosis in 3 d. Enough protein must be eaten to provide for the usual daily needs for amino acids plus enough to supply the now-required gluconeogenesis. The total amount of protein needed is not large, 1.3 g protein/kg ideal body wt (5). In this 1976 article, Bistrian et al conclude that "For diabetics with some endogenous insulin reserve, the PSMF offers significant advantages for weight reduction, including preservation of lean body mass (as reflected in nitrogen balance) and withdrawal of exogenous insulin." The small amount of carbohydrate allowed must be chosen carefully to maximize the nutrients per gram of carbohydrate.
A controlled study compared reports of appetite and symptoms in 28 obese subjects randomly assigned to either a 500-kcal PSMF or a 1200-kcal balanced diet (6). During the first comparison month, the subjects who consumed the PSMF lost significantly more weight and reported significantly less hunger than did the subjects who consumed the balanced diet; the former group reported significantly greater problems with cold intolerance, constipation, dizziness, dry skin, and fatigue. A ketogenic diet was developed early in the 20th century to successfully treat children with drug refractory epilepsy (7). A direct comparison showed that saturated fat is undesirable even when a high-fat ketogenic diet is required, as in special treatments of refractory epilepsy (8). A 2-wk carefully controlled inpatient study showed that a ketogenic diet was beneficial for the control of weight and blood glucose concentrations in diabetic patients. Cutting carbohydrate consumption to 20 g/d produced a spontaneous reduction in calories of 1000 kcal/d with little change in hunger, diet satisfaction, or energy levels (9).
Clearly, one major advantage of the ketogenic diet is that it allows the calorie intake to be cut drastically without producing ravenous hunger. A suggestion for extending the benefits of ketogenic weight-loss diets would be to alternate 1–3 wk of the PSMF with longer periods of the Heller plan (10). The Heller plan allows for one full, healthful, balanced meal plus snacks daily that follow a PSMF protocol. This would enable the consumption of useful amounts of vital plant foods while taking the body back and forth through the entire cycle of emptying (23 h) and refilling (1 h) the liver's glycogen stores.
ACKNOWLEDGMENTS
No conflicts of interest were reported.
REFERENCES
Johnston CS, Tjonn SL, Swan PD, White A, Hutchins H, Sears B. Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets. Am J Clin Nutr 2006;83:1055–61.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Murray RK, Granner DK, Mayes PA, Rodwell VW. Harpers illustrated biochemistry. 26th ed. New York, NY: Lange Medical Books/McGraw-Hill, 2003.
Bender, DA. Introduction to nutrition and metabolism. 3rd ed. New York, NY: Taylor & Francis, 2002.
Ezrin C, Kowalski RE. The type II diabetes diet book. Los Angeles, CA: Lowell House, 1995.
Bistrian BR, Blackburn GL, Flatt JP, Sizer J, Scrimshaw NS, Sherman M. Nitrogen metabolism and insulin requirements in obese diabetic adults on a protein-sparing modified fast. Diabetes 1976;25:494–504.[Abstract]
Wadden TA, Stunkard AJ, Day SC, Gould RA, Rubin CJ. Less food, less hunger: reports of appetite and symptoms in a controlled study of a protein-sparing modified fast. Int J Obes 1987;11:239–49.[Medline]
Mandel A, Ballew M, Pina-Garza JE, Stalmasek V, Clemens LH. Medical costs are reduced when children with intractable epilepsy are successfully treated with the ketogenic diet. J Am Diet Assoc 2002;102:396–8.[Medline]
Fuehrlein BS, Rutenberg MS, Silver JN, et al. Differential metabolic effects of saturated versus polyunsaturated fats in ketogenic diets. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004;89:1641–5.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Boden G, Sargrad K, Homko C, Mozzoli M, Stein TP. Effect of a low-carbohydrate diet on appetite, blood glucose levels, and insulin resistance in obese patients with type 2 diabetes. Ann Intern Med 2005;142:403–11.[Abstract/Free Full Text]
Heller RF, Heller RF, Vagnini FJ. The carbohydrate addict’s healthy heart program. New York, NY: Ballantine Publishing Group/Random House, 1999.
That's not a study on body composition either. The article just says that ketonic diets can have some advantages. In my experience, they also have disadvantages. A I said, I think keto diets can work well for some people. I do not think they are essential to anyone, convenience (feelings of hunger, etc.) taken out of the picture.