Calories

[wavelength]

wave i thought you agreed with apenis that a calorie is a calorie ?

I never said a calorie is a calorie. It's a statement that makes absolutely no sense anyway because it's simply redundant.

[Christopher Belinksky]

How does the absolute amount of calories matter as long as the desired rate of weight change is maintained? One 200lb person may need 3000 kcals for maintenance, another 200lb person may need 3500 kcals, depending on various factors.

 

if they are both losing 1 pound of fat a week who cares?
you consider the activity level when you structure your diet.

[Go 4 It]

Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.

-Hope this helps.   Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.

Thats what I'm sayin, everybody is different, just cause one guy gets fat on 4,000 cals a day, doesn't apply to everybody, so many factors come into play, especially body type, I'm an ectomorph, so it takes alot of food for me to maintain or gain weight, for a endomorph it may be totally different.

[Fatpanda]

I never said a calorie is a calorie. It's a statement that makes absolutely no sense anyway because it's simply redundant.

in terms of strictly weight loss, a calorie is a calorie when we are talking about fat's and carbs.

[wavelength]

i took a small break over xmas  

i was showing some americans around scotland and we ate out everyday.   so i lost track of things.

i'm firing all cylinders now though, so around 3-4 months  

Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez!  

[Go 4 It]

swiming is soooooooooooooo hard.

IMO best workout possible, improves endurance, muscularity, leaness, low impact...

[Fatpanda]

Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez!  

that sounds brotastic 

[Christopher Belinksky]

Told you brah, get on the wavelength diet, you'll lose all teh fatz and keep all teh musclez!  

an apple and water a day? 

[wavelength]

in terms of strictly weight loss, a calorie is a calorie when we are talking about fat's and carbs.

I would rather say that the ratio doesn't matter for body composition as long as rate of weight change is the same. It's possible that one must take in a different amount of "calories" on different ratios for the same rate of weight change though.

[Fatpanda]

IMO best workout possible, improves endurance, muscularity, leaness, low impact...

i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.

but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.

never swam since  

[wavelength]

if they are both losing 1 pound of fat a week who cares?

That's exactly what I meant, the absolute value doesn't matter. It depends on genetics, activity level, age, etc.

[Fatpanda]

I would rather say that the ratio doesn't matter for body composition as long as rate of weight change is the same. It's possible that one must take in a different amount of "calories" on different ratios for the same rate of weight change though.

i don't understand what you are trying to say ?

if you take away 500cals in the form of protein only, the majority of weight loss will come from muscle.

if you take away 500cals in the form of fats or carbs while keeping protien the same the weight loss will come mostly or all from bodyfat

[Christopher Belinksky]

i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.

but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.

never swam since  

do my diet and you will be ripped to shreds and beyond.

[wavelength]

i don't understand what you are trying to say ?

if you take away 500cals in the form of protein only, the majority of weight loss will come from muscle.

if you take away 500cals in the form of fats or carbs while keeping protien the same the weight loss will come mostly or all from bodyfat

I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.

[Christopher Belinksky]

I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.

that's not how your body works 

[wavelength]

that's not how your body works 

Elaborate.

[lovemonkey]

i used to be a decent swimmer at school - best in the school in fact at backstroke.

but i hadn't swam in 5 years or so when i went on holiday to teneriffe, i raced my friend 1 length of the pool and i thought i was having a heart attack - felt like there was 1000lbs crushing my chest.

never swam since  

Ever thought about actually dieting?

[Christopher Belinksky]

Elaborate.

sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.

[dr.chimps]

Dave Tate dropped 2 pounds of fat a week on 5100kcal.

-Hope this helps.   Btw you should do some research before you pollute the boards with your bs claims.

Dave Tate was/is on the best pharma money can buy. 

[Fatpanda]

I thought you were talking about ratio of fat vs. carbs. I always said that protein is essential. I just don't think the ratio of fat vs. carbs is.

for fat loss i agree the ration of carbs/fat does not matter - only calories.

health wise it may be a different matter.

protein is a seperate thing altogether.

Ever thought about actually dieting?

hi AXA, since you are interested i was at my best ever shape during that trip - so fat wasn't the problem. Swimming is just extremely hard.

i imagine you feel the same about weights - thats why you only lift pink dumbbells and look like this

BBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOM

[Go 4 It]

do my diet and you will be ripped to shreds and beyond.

I'm pretty sure Mauro D'Pasquale is the inventor of this diet..

[wavelength]

sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.

I tried low carb diets and keto diets. I tried just about every diet there is.

That aside, you got any reference to scientific studies on body composition that would prove that (for most people) a keto diet preserves more muscle compared to a high protein diets that includes carbs?

The other points you mentioned are irrelevant for body composition but I would also be interested in studies on those points.

[lovemonkey]

at my best ever shape during that trip

So only 45% bf back then? Impressive, candy bar sales must have been down.

[Fatpanda]

sure, calories are most important when it comes to weight loss, but a ketogenic diet
is much better for feeling better on the diet, preserving the most muscle tissue, controlling hunger, producing
the best hormonal environment, making your body alot healthier overall.
search the Anabolic diet.

calories i have addressed.
keto diets - no, i was on one for around 8 months, felt weak, tired, craved carbs the whole time. lost strength, shoulder joints were inflammed and dry, weight loss stalled - even on 1000 cals.

it may be healthier in terms of lipid profiles etc, but i feel 100x better on carbs. i'm stronger, i'm sleeping better ( no more insomnia), and losing weight at 3000cals.

go figure  

[Fatpanda]

I tried low carb diets and keto diets. I tried just about every diet there is.

That aside, you got any reference to scientific studies on body composition that would prove that (for most people) a keto diet preserves more muscle compared to a high protein diets that includes carbs?

The other points you mentioned are irrelevant for body composition but I would also be interested in studies on those points.

i have studies that show you do spare more muscle with high fat diets than with high carb, but over 3-4 months the difference is only around a pound or 2, so not really worth the effort of eating dry boring meat everyday IMO.