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How to Beat the NRA In 7 (Not-So-Easy) Steps
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-to-beat-the-nra-in-7-not-so-easy-steps-20140714#ixzz37Uc81Al1
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See the link for the entire article I posted the 7 steps but only went into detail on the most dishonest and idiotic ones ;)
1. Commit to a Generation-Long Battle
2. Think Federally. Act Locally.
3. Politicize Disaster, Unabashedly
This isn't complicated: Making a political issue of the tiny coffins of dead children in the wake of a school shooting isn't just a thing that helps pass strong gun-control, it's practically the only thing
4. Act, Don't Dither
When catastrophic events like Newtown unfold, there's an impulse from many elected officials to slow down, to gather facts, to ensure that cooler heads prevail. Politically, this is why gun-control dies.
5. Bring Big Money to the Table
6. Think Bigger than Mayors, Moms, and Martyrs
7. Prepare for Setbacks — and for Payback
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So lets understand number 4 in particular.
The reason gun control fails is because we slow down, gather facts and ensure that cooler heads prevail?
LMFAO hahahaha you literally cannot make this stupidity up!!!!
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obama owned congress and we haven't had a gun bill.
mitt wrote some of the toughest anti-gun legislation any state has ever seen, and repubs begged to make him president.
bush said he'd have renewed the freakin brady bill if he could lol.
it's all so mixed up. we aren't going to see gun legislation because it's poison to politicians. the base uses it to piss people off, but if obama + dems in both houses didn't go for it, we'll never see it.
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obama owned congress and we haven't had a gun bill.
mitt wrote some of the toughest anti-gun legislation any state has ever seen, and repubs begged to make him president.
bush said he'd have renewed the freakin brady bill if he could lol.
it's all so mixed up. we aren't going to see gun legislation because it's poison to politicians. the base uses it to piss people off, but if obama + dems in both houses didn't go for it, we'll never see it.
Yeah, It's like trying to compare Romneycare to Obamacare. after all, it's the same thing, right? At least that's what the left keep saying ::) and all the Brady Bill was having a waiting time to purchase hand guns for background checks.
240, I'd be willing to bet if any of us (the left on here excluded because if they believe Obama they'll believe anyone) had the kind of time to spend the kind of time on a computer as you do, it wouldn't that hard to debunk the crap you write.
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obama owned congress and we haven't had a gun bill.
mitt wrote some of the toughest anti-gun legislation any state has ever seen, and repubs begged to make him president.
bush said he'd have renewed the freakin brady bill if he could lol.
it's all so mixed up. we aren't going to see gun legislation because it's poison to politicians. the base uses it to piss people off, but if obama + dems in both houses didn't go for it, we'll never see it.
Good. We don't need it. Plenty of laws on the books as it sits now.
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Typical fear mongering started by the gun makers and their reps in order to boost sales. Which I have to admit, is an awesome marketing tactic.
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Typical fear mongering started by the gun makers and their reps in order to boost sales. Which I have to admit, is an awesome marketing tactic.
Lol except this is from a liberal rag...I guess a gun maker advocate got a job there and wrote this piece from the inside eh lurker?
Good to see things don't change much
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Lol except this is from a liberal rag...I guess a gun maker advocate got a job there and wrote this piece from the inside eh lurker?
Good to see things don't change much
You were gone for some time but one thing has not changed and that is Lurker is still that stupid.
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AMAZING
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You were gone for some time but one thing has not changed and that is Lurker is still that stupid.
So your dumb ass is denying that gun sales didn't soar after all the "they are coming for our guns" crying the right did?
Again, what third world shit hole spawned your stupid ass? You have been asked this a dozen times, yet still ashamed to say? It's ok, we - including the GOP - are tolerant to immigrant trash nowdays.
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Lol except this is from a liberal rag...I guess a gun maker advocate got a job there and wrote this piece from the inside eh lurker?
Good to see things don't change much
I am pointing out the obvious result of the so called "war on guns". If you can't accept it or understand it, then it isn't my fault. My statement neither supports nor denies what the article is about.
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I am pointing out the obvious result of the so called "war on guns". If you can't accept it or understand it, then it isn't my fault. My statement neither supports nor denies what the article is about.
Some other champion of the Right and conservatism had a "war on guns" and hes the Titan of the conservative movement. Said to be the best president ever...
Selective amnesia by some
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Some other champion of the Right and conservatism had a "war on guns" and hes the Titan of the conservative movement. Said to be the best president ever...
Selective amnesia by some
Not said - voted in a recent poll - all while Obama voted as the WORST :P
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Some other champion of the Right and conservatism had a "war on guns" and hes the Titan of the conservative movement. Said to be the best president ever...
Selective amnesia by some
Do you think the Peanut Gallery understands history and basic facts? REALLY?
You can't whine nonstop without attempting to partly fuel it through revisionist history.
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Do you think the Peanut Gallery understands history and basic facts? REALLY?
You can't whine nonstop without attempting to partly fuel it through revisionist history.
As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited the carrying of firearms on your person, in your vehicle, and in any public place or on the street, and he also signed off on a 15-day waiting period for firearm purchases. After leaving the presidency, he supported the passage of the Brady bill that established by federal law a nationwide, uniform standard of a 7-day waiting period for the purchase of handguns to enable background checks on prospective buyers. He urged then President Bush to drop his opposition to the bill.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-reagan-letter-20120210,0,1471722.story#ixzz37Ys1dtnb
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As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited the carrying of firearms on your person, in your vehicle, and in any public place or on the street, and he also signed off on a 15-day waiting period for firearm purchases. After leaving the presidency, he supported the passage of the Brady bill that established by federal law a nationwide, uniform standard of a 7-day waiting period for the purchase of handguns to enable background checks on prospective buyers. He urged then President Bush to drop his opposition to the bill.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-reagan-letter-20120210,0,1471722.story#ixzz37Ys1dtnb
LIES!!!
It was Obama in a Reagan mask.
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As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited the carrying of firearms on your person, in your vehicle, and in any public place or on the street, and he also signed off on a 15-day waiting period for firearm purchases. After leaving the presidency, he supported the passage of the Brady bill that established by federal law a nationwide, uniform standard of a 7-day waiting period for the purchase of handguns to enable background checks on prospective buyers. He urged then President Bush to drop his opposition to the bill.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-reagan-letter-20120210,0,1471722.story#ixzz37Ys1dtnb
I thought you hated Reagan ;)
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I am pointing out the obvious result of the so called "war on guns". If you can't accept it or understand it, then it isn't my fault. My statement neither supports nor denies what the article is about.
is that like the obvious "war on women"?
lol or is it different b/c there were actually bills discussed and proposed that aimed at restricting gun rights? unlike the supposed "war on women"...
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is that like the obvious "war on women"?
lol or is it different b/c there were actually bills discussed and proposed that aimed at restricting gun rights? unlike the supposed "war on women"...
Yeah. Exactly like that.
Now you want to talk about the thread topic you started and the bills and laws that non liberals passed on it which makes your argument completely irrelevant and ineffective, or do you want to attempt to change topics to something else that merits the exact same behavior as attempts to pass bills has been applied in the exact same sense? Your call. You are going to end up looking like an ass in either case.
Based on your history and common sense, it is easy to predict you will attempt to change topics now that your little whinefest has back fired.
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Yeah. Exactly like that.
Now you want to talk about the thread topic you started and the bills and laws that non liberals passed on it which makes your argument completely irrelevant and ineffective, or do you want to attempt to change topics to something else that merits the exact same behavior as attempts to pass bills has been applied in the exact same sense? Your call. You are going to end up looking like an ass in either case.
Based on your history and common sense, it is easy to predict you will attempt to change topics now that your little whinefest has back fired.
What got into your vag tonight? Geez
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What got into your vag tonight? Geez
Can't handle common sense and logical observations? No surprise.
Being a midget, I can see why most things go over your head.
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Yeah. Exactly like that.
Now you want to talk about the thread topic you started and the bills and laws that non liberals passed on it which makes your argument completely irrelevant and ineffective, or do you want to attempt to change topics to something else that merits the exact same behavior as attempts to pass bills has been applied in the exact same sense? Your call. You are going to end up looking like an ass in either case.
Based on your history and common sense, it is easy to predict you will attempt to change topics now that your little whinefest has back fired.
hahah given enough time the two parties have been on either side of any give issue. I dont see how that is relevant to the current dishonest and idiotic liberal progressive tactics they are using to try and push their agenda.
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Yeah. Exactly like that.
Now you want to talk about the thread topic you started and the bills and laws that non liberals passed on it which makes your argument completely irrelevant and ineffective, or do you want to attempt to change topics to something else that merits the exact same behavior as attempts to pass bills has been applied in the exact same sense? Your call. You are going to end up looking like an ass in either case.
Based on your history and common sense, it is easy to predict you will attempt to change topics now that your little whinefest has back fired.
Did those people youre speaking of stand on the graves of little children and ram legislation through before rational, logical thinking and cooler heads could prevail?
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Did those people youre speaking of stand on the graves of little children and ram legislation through before rational, logical thinking and cooler heads could prevail?
Did they on the ones you are speaking of?
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Did those people youre speaking of stand on the graves of little children and ram legislation through before rational, logical thinking and cooler heads could prevail?
We all know you will never father kids but maybe people who does wants them to not get shot?
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We all know you will never father kids but maybe people who does wants them to not get shot?
Do you really think that is someone is intent on killing lack of firearms is going to stop them? 9/11 not a shot was fired, none of the hijackers had guns, box cutters........
What you fail to understand is where there is a will there is a way.
The right to bear arms is protected by the constitution, do you really think politicians want to disarm the populace for the children? It's their wet dream, then there can be no opposition to what they do, some people just never learn from history
(http://i.imgur.com/4bQBjC8.jpg)
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Did they on the ones you are speaking of?
Hahah maybe you haven't been paying attention lately but there has been a big rush to push through gun legislation using the victims as a way to gain support even though the proposed legislations would not have stopped the killings.
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Hahah maybe you haven't been paying attention lately but there has been a big rush to push through gun legislation using the victims as a way to gain support even though the proposed legislations would not have stopped the killings.
Creeper is immune to reality
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As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the Mulford Act, which prohibited the carrying of firearms on your person, in your vehicle, and in any public place or on the street, and he also signed off on a 15-day waiting period for firearm purchases. After leaving the presidency, he supported the passage of the Brady bill that established by federal law a nationwide, uniform standard of a 7-day waiting period for the purchase of handguns to enable background checks on prospective buyers. He urged then President Bush to drop his opposition to the bill.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/readersrespond/bs-ed-reagan-letter-20120210,0,1471722.story#ixzz37Ys1dtnb
reagan was a gungrabber. i had no idea.
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Hahah maybe you haven't been paying attention lately but there has been a big rush to push through gun legislation using the victims as a way to gain support even though the proposed legislations would not have stopped the killings.
Lurker has been denying that obama and the dems ever made a push for gun control. He is a living example of the title of tbis thread
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Lurker has been denying that obama and the dems ever made a push for gun control. He is a living example of the title of tbis thread
Incorrect. Which isn't surprising as you have a tendency for it.
I have always stated the biggest push for gun control came from the Repubs themselves. Seeing how you can't counter that, it is understandable you simply fall back to false accusations for your argument.
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Hahah maybe you haven't been paying attention lately but there has been a big rush to push through gun legislation using the victims as a way to gain support even though the proposed legislations would not have stopped the killings.
So there was no "using the victims" in the past when the Repubs actually enforced gun control? Is that your argument?
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So there was no "using the victims" in the past when the Repubs actually enforced gun control? Is that your argument?
I have no clue not that it has any bearing on the stupidity and dishonesty of the attempts going present day.
If the reps stood on the graves of victims to pass laws that had no bearing on the situation that resulted in those deaths then it was just as stupid and dishonest as it is today.
Maybe you should stop carrying water for one side and free yourself of moral equivalency arguments?
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I have no clue not that it has any bearing on the stupidity and dishonesty of the attempts going present day.
If the reps stood on the graves of victims to pass laws that had no bearing on the situation that resulted in those deaths then it was just as stupid and dishonest as it is today.
Maybe you should stop carrying water for one side and free yourself of moral equivalency arguments?
Excellent example of hypocrisy Mr Last In Line On The GOP Human Centipede chain.
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Excellent example of hypocrisy Mr Last In Line On The GOP Human Centipede chain.
Lol yup bc I hold water so well...If the reps stood on the graves of victims to pass laws that had no bearing on the situation that resulted in those deaths then it was just as stupid and dishonest as it is today
At any rate how about we both start new and say that we will condemn things like this in the future?
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Lol yup bc I hold water so well...
At any rate how about we both start new and say that we will condemn things like this in the future?
What things?
What laws and restrictions have the Dems actually passed over guns?
What laws and restrictions have the Repubs actually passed over guns?
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What things?
What laws and restrictions have the Dems actually passed over guns?
What laws and restrictions have the Repubs actually passed over guns?
There have been a number of laws passed restricting magazines, the types of guns you can own if you live in a certain area, where you can and can't carry guns, obamas executive orders requiring CLEO signatures on NFA applications etc.
This doesn't even touch the proposed legislation and rhetoric that has been flying around.
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There have been a number of laws passed restricting magazines, the types of guns you can own if you live in a certain area, where you can and can't carry guns, obamas executive orders requiring CLEO signatures on NFA applications etc.
This doesn't even touch the proposed legislation and rhetoric that has been flying around.
A blanket answer is not what I asked for. Try again.
What laws and restrictions have the Dems actually passed over guns?
What laws and restrictions have the Repubs actually passed over guns?
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A blanket answer is not what I asked for. Try again.
Let's start with obamas executive order requiring CLEO sign offs on NFA applications.
Do you deny that gun control legislation has been pushed and some legislation past?
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Let's start with obamas executive order requiring CLEO sign offs on NFA applications.
Do you deny that gun control legislation has been pushed and some legislation past?
To an extent, some has been past.
Now is that better or worse than what Mitt wanted? If those two were on the table at the same time which one would you pick as more gun friendly?
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To an extent, some has been past.
Now is that better or worse than what Mitt wanted? If those two were on the table at the same time which one would you pick as more gun friendly?
Lol again with the moral equivalency bull shit.
A number of laws have been passed and tons more proposed and pushed for using the deaths of children who's lives they wouldn't have saved to gain support all the while rushing to try and get them through bc they know that te reasoning they are presenting doesn't add up.
Again bro stop carrying water
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What things?
What laws and restrictions have the Dems actually passed over guns?
What laws and restrictions have the Repubs actually passed over guns?
Why dont you ask the people in new york, connecticut, maryland, or colorado this question...
Lmao you are in complete denial...its funny to watch you grasp at straws while the entire board destroys you
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Why dont you ask the people in new york, connecticut, maryland, or colorado this question...
Lmao you are in complete denial...its funny to watch you grasp at straws while the entire board destroys you
The only thing I see destroyed is whatever basic reading comprehension skills you may have had.
Asking people in 4 select states does not change the original question I posed. You may want it to in order to feel good about whatever (irrelevant) point you are trying to make, but it doesn't change a thing with what I originally asked.
Keep trying though.
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Lol again with the moral equivalency bull shit.
A number of laws have been passed and tons more proposed and pushed for using the deaths of children who's lives they wouldn't have saved to gain support all the while rushing to try and get them through bc they know that te reasoning they are presenting doesn't add up.
Again bro stop carrying water
Again, you are not giving specific answers, only blanket statements. You answered in regards to what the Dems passed... now what has the Repubs done. That was a two part question you know. You only seem to want to address half of it.
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The only thing I see destroyed is whatever basic reading comprehension skills you may have had.
Asking people in 4 select states does not change the original question I posed. You may want it to in order to feel good about whatever (irrelevant) point you are trying to make, but it doesn't change a thing with what I originally asked.
Keep trying though.
Let me help you out here. The democrat-dominant governments of each of those states passed some of the most draconian gun control legislation in recent memory last year. None of these laws were pushed or passed by republican legislatures. Hope this helps.
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Again, you are not giving specific answers, only blanket statements. You answered in regards to what the Dems passed... now what has the Repubs done. That was a two part question you know. You only seem to want to address half of it.
STFU you flaming homo twink bitch ass - O-fag tried doing AWB 2 and it failed in the Senate and house remember?
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STFU you flaming homo twink bitch ass - O-fag tried doing AWB 2 and it failed in the Senate and house remember?
Hes in complete denial.
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STFU you flaming homo twink bitch ass - O-fag tried doing AWB 2 and it failed in the Senate and house remember?
Gay talk? Pretty good indication of a meltdown in progress.
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Let me help you out here. The democrat-dominant governments of each of those states passed some of the most draconian gun control legislation in recent memory last year. None of these laws were pushed or passed by republican legislatures. Hope this helps.
Let me help you out.
I never said "last year". Nor did I say just Dems only.
You obviously can't comprehend anything that may need unbiased thought and opinions. Which is most likely why you are crying and posting about 4 select states when I never indicated to Tony there was a specific geographic area in question.
Basically, you are whining to make an irrelevant point. Just as I stated earlier. Hope this helps. But as your past posts indicate, it probably won't.
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Hes in complete denial.
1) Washington DC, hand gun ban 1976
2) Chicago Illinois, hand gun ban 1982, how did that work out? All mayors since 1931 have been democrats.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban)
"In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent — at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent. For a while, the city vied regularly for the title of murder capital of America.
Chicago followed a similar course. In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared with an 18 percent rise in the entire United States.
One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent. As with drugs and hookers, when there is a demand for guns, there will always be a supply."
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1) Washington DC, hand gun ban 1976
2) Chicago Illinois, hand gun ban 1982, how did that work out? All mayors since 1931 have been democrats.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-03-04/news/ct-oped-0304-chapman-20100304-column_1_legal-handguns-gun-violence-ban)
"In the years following its ban, Washington did not generate a decline in gun murders. In fact, the number of killings rose by 156 percent — at a time when murders nationally increased by just 32 percent. For a while, the city vied regularly for the title of murder capital of America.
Chicago followed a similar course. In the decade after it outlawed handguns, murders jumped by 41 percent, compared with an 18 percent rise in the entire United States.
One problem is that the bans didn't actually have any discernible effect on the availability of guns to people with felonious intent. As with drugs and hookers, when there is a demand for guns, there will always be a supply."
I have stated this numerous times.
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Again, you are not giving specific answers, only blanket statements. You answered in regards to what the Dems passed... now what has the Repubs done. That was a two part question you know. You only seem to want to address half of it.
I don't care who passed them, why do you?
If they are passing laws by standing on the graves of children who's lives the laws wouldn't have saved and rushing them through with emotional rhetoric bc they know their logic is not sound that is wrong no matter who does it, wouldn't you agree?
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Again, you are not giving specific answers, only blanket statements. You answered in regards to what the Dems passed... now what has the Repubs done. That was a two part question you know. You only seem to want to address half of it.
Bro seriously, are you not aware of the number of laws passed and executive orders put in place recently?
If not how can you with any intellectual honesty have such a opinionated stance on this subject?
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Bro seriously, are you not aware of the number of laws passed and executive orders put in place recently?
If not how can you with any intellectual honesty have such a opinionated stance on this subject?
My stance is not opinionated. I have not denied the number of laws passed. I asked you for a break down on which ones were of Dem and Repub origins. You only respond to just Dem actions, and yet ask how *I* can be opinionated. WTF?
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My stance is not opinionated. I have not denied the number of laws passed. I asked you for a break down on which ones were of Dem and Repub origins. You only respond to just Dem actions, and yet ask how *I* can be opinionated. WTF?
And I have stated If they are passing laws by standing on the graves of children who's lives the laws wouldn't have saved and rushing them through with emotional rhetoric bc they know their logic is not sound that is wrong no matter who does it, wouldn't you agree?
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Which led to my question which laws of the Dems and Repubs have been passed?
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ALL of them have been passed by Dem legislatures.
That clear enough for you?
*awaits paragraph long response in which you talk yourself in circles and have no clear point*
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NYS - SAFE Act passed by Cuomo and the libs after Newton
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ALL of them have been passed by Dem legislatures.
That clear enough for you?
*awaits paragraph long response in which you talk yourself in circles and have no clear point*
So you say the Repubs haven't passed any. Is that your claim?
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So you say the Repubs haven't passed any. Is that your claim?
What does it matter?
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What does it matter?
Seeing how I asked a simple bipartisan question and only got an answer reflecting one side of the aisle, I think what I should be asking is "what does it matter if only the Dems do it"?
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Seeing how I asked a simple bipartisan question and only got an answer reflecting one side of the aisle, I think what I should be asking is "what does it matter if only the Dems do it"?
To me it doesn't, again if anyone uses the deaths of children to garner support for laws that wouldn't have saved them all the while rushing te legislation through bc they know their logic is not sound it is wrong!!!
Do you agree?
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To me it doesn't, again if anyone uses the deaths of children to garner support for laws that wouldn't have saved them all the while rushing te legislation through bc they know their logic is not sound it is wrong!!!
Do you agree?
This long and you just now see the purpose of me asking which ones the Dems pass and which ones the Repubs passed?
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Lurker is just talking himself in circles...
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Lurker is just talking himself in circles...
No just talking to idiots who can't answer a simple straight forward question.
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This long and you just now see the purpose of me asking which ones the Dems pass and which ones the Repubs passed?
Haha I've been asking you that since yesterday bro, seriously?
I haven't changed anything I have said or stated...it's not me who is just now figuring it out guy, it's you!
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Haha I've been asking you that since yesterday bro, seriously?
I haven't changed anything I have said or stated...it's not me who is just now figuring it out guy, it's you!
Apparently not. As you did nothing but show a partisan view slant for something encompassed both parties. It was a simple question, sorry you couldn't understand it.
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Apparently not. As you did nothing but show a partisan view slant for something encompassed both parties. It was a simple question, sorry you couldn't understand it.
I didnt show a partisan view slant the article written by a liberal progressive did!!!
LMFAO
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The question I asked was in regards to your OPINION. Not the contents of the article.
That really should have been clear to you.
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The question I asked was in regards to your OPINION. Not the contents of the article.
That really should have been clear to you.
And I gave it 3 days ago on page one...
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And I gave it 3 days ago on page one...
For only one side of the aisle.
Now you will post and just repeat the same excuse/smoke/mirror you have given above by pretending it is relative to something else.