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I like reading what other people experience after using that shit for some time so here are some info from me.
I've used to take some basic BTs, this time I decided to take a very extensive test for a wide range of blood factors. Been blasting-cruising for the past 3,5-4 years. Prop + Tren for the last three months or so (300-400prop, 300-400 tren).
The results just've came in.
Most of the regular and exotic stuff is in a normal range.
The bad stuff:
low HDL (but LDL and total cholesterol low too, far from a high end of a scale)
Trombocytes (platelets) - above the normal range by quite a margin. (haven't been taking aspirin for the last few months)
Almost every marker related to hemoglobin is out of whack. This one is the strangest. I'm anemic by these values (here comes the reason of my constant lethargy). Tren is known to shoot these through the roof and basically any anabolic steroid elevates these values, so it's interesting. But... I've been prone to anemia from an early childhood, so most likely this is genetic and not related to juice. I will be working to bring these up. (where's that anti-heme iron fella? ::) )
What else...
AST and ALT a little bit over the norm, but GGT very low, so no reason to worry.
Take it for what it's worth.
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I like reading what other people experience after using that shit for some time so here are some info from me.
I've used to take some basic BTs, this time I decided to take a very extensive test for a wide range of blood factors. Been blasting-cruising for the past 3,5-4 years. Prop + Tren for the last three months or so (300-400prop, 300-400 tren).
The results just've came in.
Most of the regular and exotic stuff is in a normal range.
The bad stuff:
low HDL (but LDL and total cholesterol low too)
Trombocytes (platelets) - above the normal range by quite a margin. (haven't been taking aspirin for the last few months)
Almost every marker related to hemoglobin is out of whack. This one is the strangest. I'm anemic by these values (here comes the reason of my constant lethargy). Tren is known to shoot these through the roof and basically any anabolic steroid elevates these values, so it's interesting. But... I've been prone to anemia from an early childhood, so most likely this is genetic and not related to juice. I will be working to bring these up. (where's that anti-heme iron fella? ::) )
What else...
AST and ALT a little bit over the norm, but GGT very low, so no reason to worry.
Take it for what it's worth.
Are you worried about the heart increasing in size?That is what puts me off the most
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Did you died?
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Are you worried about the heart increasing in size?That is what puts me off the most
I am. That's why I will take some throughout cardio tests in comming months. My guess is that may be a genetic predisposition too to quite a degree. Heart dissease is completely absent in my family history so enlargement is actually the only thing I'm concerned about. Quite over a decade of heavy lifting and about 4 years of juicing. I should have at least an "athletes heart" after this. It will be interesting to find out.
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Did you die?
Fixed.
But no. And even nurse wasn't all that hot to be honest (like the one who crossed the corridor while I was waiting.. a real porn star look).
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I've been feeling fatigued lately and have also not been eating a lot of meet (that damned heme-iron), maybe this is the source.
Like a bodybuilder I've been combating the symptoms with another drug (caffeine).
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Fixed.
But no. And even nurse wasn't all that hot to be honest (like the one who crossed the corridor while I was waiting.. a real porn star look).
The joke went clean over your head
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Fixed.
But no. And even nurse wasn't all that hot to be honest (like the one who crossed the corridor while I was waiting.. a real porn star look).
Did you mount the wench?
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What's the plan of attack for you now? Have some time off and start again or off for good?
I will keep in check the platelets with aspirin or other similarly acting drug, will increase my intake of Omega-3 even more (to bring up the HDL) and maybe some other nutritients related to increasing HDL (but's it's not that low anyway. Due to my inheritance I'm very resistant to any kind of serious cholesterol complications. No heart dissease history in a family as I've said before).
What else... iron deficiency is hardly related to hormones, I will take a through out analysis of what approach it'd be best to take (I'm deeply into a medicine science as a hobby so I know quite a lot). The autumn will come, I'll leave just 300test for a few months at least, as usualy. Will repeat BT in that time to check for differences in HDL and iron levels.
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The joke went clean over your head
Yeah, was not aware of that meme.
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The question still remains; did you mount the wench?
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Did you mount the wench?
No time. Was about to faint from a sight of a needle.
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stay away from saturated fats. if beef only lean beef 5%. lean chicken, egg whites and alot of fish.
what's your diet like now? alot of junk?
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stay away from saturated fats. if beef only lean beef 5%. lean chicken, egg whites and alot of fish.
what's your diet like now? alot of junk?
Animal fats are nothing to worry about. Esp. from grass fed animals (more Omega-3). My diet is close to perfect actually, I'm very health conscious. No alcohol, no smoking, no drugs (aside hormones), no fried food, no processed food, mostly chicken breast, vegetables, some grain products, vegetables, dairy, fruits... BUT - fish is on a low end. This I will increase considerably (only supplementing omega-3 is not enough apparently). More beef too (for iron. Fuck I still can't believe hormones did not increase my hemoglobin.).
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Did you have a baseline to compare against 4 years ago? Hard to say what gear had an affect on if you don't have a baseline pre-cycle
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Did you have a baseline to compare against 4 years ago? Hard to say what geat had an affect on if you don't have a baseline pre-cycle
Unfortunately I don't. But I know that I've been anemic from a childhood, and that varied through the years, it seems it's still the same. Never took a serious approach to cure that. Will do it now, constant sleepyness is not nice. Other values - I can only do some adjustments and recheck after some time to see where it goes in the future. Overall the results are pretty good (considering that they include over 40 different markers) and I expected worse.
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Did you have a baseline to compare against 4 years ago? Hard to say what geat had an affect on if you don't have a baseline pre-cycle
You gtfo of here with your scientific method.
Who needs baselines to determine actual change? Pffft.
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I like reading what other people experience after using that shit for some time so here are some info from me.
I've used to take some basic BTs, this time I decided to take a very extensive test for a wide range of blood factors. Been blasting-cruising for the past 3,5-4 years. Prop + Tren for the last three months or so (300-400prop, 300-400 tren).
The results just've came in.
Most of the regular and exotic stuff is in a normal range.
The bad stuff:
low HDL (but LDL and total cholesterol low too, far from a high end of a scale)
Trombocytes (platelets) - above the normal range by quite a margin. (haven't been taking aspirin for the last few months)
Almost every marker related to hemoglobin is out of whack. This one is the strangest. I'm anemic by these values (here comes the reason of my constant lethargy). Tren is known to shoot these through the roof and basically any anabolic steroid elevates these values, so it's interesting. But... I've been prone to anemia from an early childhood, so most likely this is genetic and not related to juice. I will be working to bring these up. (where's that anti-heme iron fella? ::) )
What else...
AST and ALT a little bit over the norm, but GGT very low, so no reason to worry.
Take it for what it's worth.
How old are you?
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You gtfo of here with your scientific method.
Who needs baselines to determine actual change? Pffft.
That's my point. Those 60 minutes or news stories blasting gear saying how it fucks up kids yet they have no proof that kid was 100% healthy to begin with before they started gear. That story about a teen who commited suicide and how the folks were blaming steroids is lame.
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stay away from saturated fats. if beef only lean beef 5%. lean chicken, egg whites and alot of fish.
what's your diet like now? alot of junk?
Fuck off with this awful advice. Seriously. Not how it works at all.
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How old are you?
29.
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"Saturated" ""Fats"" oh brother
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29.
Congratulations, you fucked your body up before the age of 30. :D
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"Saturated" ""Fats"" oh brother
I'm not "gay" I was just "in college" and "experimenting" oh brother
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Fuck off with this awful advice. Seriously. Not how it works at all.
X2
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Congratulations, you fucked your body up before the age of 30. :D
Well if that's all that is wrong with my body - I'm pretty ok with that. (esp. after abusing hormones for some time)
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That's my point. Those 60 minutes or news stories blasting gear saying how it fucks up kids yet they have no proof that kid was 100% healthy to begin with before they started gear. That story about a teen who commited suicide and how the folks were blaming steroids is lame.
I think you missed my sarcasm brah
I totally understand the need for a baseline.
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Yes and no...phaggots who arent as large as am >:(
A baseline would give him hard numbers, and for sure is optimal. But a comprehensive blood test is never a bad idea. High is high, low is low....you still get the picture of whats going on in your body.
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Yes and no...phaggots who arent as large as am >:(
A baseline would give him hard numbers, and for sure is optimal. But a comprehensive blood test is never a bad idea. High is high, low is low....you still get the picture of whats going on in your body.
Yes, of course. Ranges exist for a reason afterall.
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And Chiro...I was handing out "punch in the face" coupons long before you came around, pal
Admittedly, "roundhouse kick" has more panache, but I invented the concept. Me. I did. Not you.
Fuckface :D
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And Chiro...I was handing out "punch in the face" coupons long before you came around, pal
Admittedly, "roundhouse kick" has more panache, but I invented the concept. Me. I did. Not you.
Fuckface :D
I am not afraid to cross swords with you however I will save it for another debate. :)
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AAS + training alone can lead to an increased heart size. But several studies indicate that GH+AAS together seem to have a synergy and the heart mass was even GREATER than with AAS alone. Many all natural weight trainers and lifters have LVH as you mentioned (athletes heart). This is compounded by what we take. So if you take GH and AAS, odds are, you will have an enlarged heart to some degree. Whether its big enough to start causing poor output and heart failure is another question. Enlarged hearts run in my family and the only sauce any of them has been on is Tanqueray. I'm betting on a shitty echo result here at about age 50, boys. Themz the breaks.
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And Chiro...I was handing out "punch in the face" coupons long before you came around, pal
Admittedly, "roundhouse kick" has more panache, but I invented the concept. Me. I did. Not you.
Fuckface :D
I invite you to adopt a respectful tone towards BCF.
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29.
Da Vinci as a young man on anabolics, I would expect you to have a high or even abnormally high serum hemoglobin and hematocrit; possibly secondary polycythemia. Thus, being anemic is concerning. If you are Italian as your name implies, maybe you have Thalassemia. However, iron deficiency in a non-menstruating male is exceedingly rare and frankly unheard of in your age group. I would get a hematologist to run a hemoglobin electrophoresis to see if you thalassemia or if your Hebrew a sickle cell study. Then, I would consider getting a full iron study, B12, folate, and reticulocyte count. After that, answers should start to arise.
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I like reading what other people experience after using that shit for some time so here are some info from me.
I've used to take some basic BTs, this time I decided to take a very extensive test for a wide range of blood factors. Been blasting-cruising for the past 3,5-4 years. Prop + Tren for the last three months or so (300-400prop, 300-400 tren).
The results just've came in.
Most of the regular and exotic stuff is in a normal range.
The bad stuff:
low HDL (but LDL and total cholesterol low too, far from a high end of a scale)
Trombocytes (platelets) - above the normal range by quite a margin. (haven't been taking aspirin for the last few months)
Almost every marker related to hemoglobin is out of whack. This one is the strangest. I'm anemic by these values (here comes the reason of my constant lethargy). Tren is known to shoot these through the roof and basically any anabolic steroid elevates these values, so it's interesting. But... I've been prone to anemia from an early childhood, so most likely this is genetic and not related to juice. I will be working to bring these up. (where's that anti-heme iron fella? ::) )
What else...
AST and ALT a little bit over the norm, but GGT very low, so no reason to worry.
Take it for what it's worth.
Great report! Glad you are healthy.
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Da Vinci as a young man on anabolics, I would expect you to have a high or even abnormally high serum hemoglobin and hematocrit; possibly secondary polycythemia. Thus, being anemic is concerning. If you are Italian as your name implies, maybe you have Thalassemia. However, iron deficiency in a non-menstruating male is exceedingly rare and frankly unheard of in your age group. I would get a hematologist to run a hemoglobin electrophoresis to see if you thalassemia or if your Hebrew a sickle cell study. Then, I would consider getting a full iron study, B12, folate, and reticulocyte count. After that, answers should start to arise.
Thank you, I will take that into account (not italian tho'. A "regular european", let's say..). Next test will be B12/folate and then all other will follow if needed. That's strange, indeed, but I'm pretty sure I've had this for quite a long time already, which is even more strange.
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Great report! Glad you are healthy.
Aside the iron issues, yeah, I'm pretty content too.
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What are the natural test and hormone levels now?
Were they affected at all?
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What are the natural test and hormone levels now?
Were they affected at all?
Haven't done the hormone test, but I'm sure that testosterone is over the roof, not concerned about the rest really as I don't have any sides, cock is working great lol and everything else is fine.
And if you mean "natural" by no exogenous hormones in the system then it's not possible as I'm currently "on". I doubt I will ever go off test anyway.. at least a HRT dose if anything.
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And Chiro...I was handing out "punch in the face" coupons long before you came around, pal
Admittedly, "vicious patented headbutt" has more panache, but I invented the concept. Me. I did. Not you.
Fuckface :D
FIXED ;)
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Fuck off with this awful advice. Seriously. Not how it works at all.
how does it work?
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how does it work?
Cholesterol travels to arteries to patch up micro trauma caused by inflammation. Ask yourself, what kind of foods lead to inflammation and subsequent rapid adipose conversion?
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Cholesterol travels to arteries to patch up micro trauma caused by inflammation. Ask yourself, what kind of foods lead to inflammation and subsequent rapid adipose conversion?
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/1/13347/489916-frank_gorshin_riddler1.jpg)
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subsequent rapid adipose conversion?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/cf-dafuq.gif)
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Cholesterol travels to arteries to patch up micro trauma caused by inflammation. Ask yourself, what kind of foods lead to inflammation and subsequent rapid adipose conversion?
I dont know the answer to this. I want to know.
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Where is that scoundrel Krankenstein?
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I dont know the answer to this. I want to know.
Fucking sugar and the shit carb centric high caloric standard American diet
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Fucking sugar and the shit carb centric high caloric standard American diet
well that was my guess, cause I always get swollen and inflamed when I eat high carbs/sugar.. but thats cause I blow up with water like a balloon.
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well that was my guess, cause I always get swollen and inflamed when I eat high carbs/sugar.. but thats cause I blow up with water like a balloon.
I should Also add to that completely REVERSED omega 3:6 ratios with barely any 3's. You are setting yourself up for bad news.
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Fucking sugar and the shit carb centric high caloric standard American diet
And too much Omega-6.
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And too much Omega-6.
I should Also add to that completely REVERSED omega 3:6 ratios with barely any 3's. You are setting yourself up for bad news.
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Did you died?
Cliffs...is he died bro?
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(I'm deeply into a medicine science as a hobby so I know quite a lot).
Oh, ok. I would be concerned about the provisional signs of eventual ill health due to your steronz gobbling, but since you're a "medicine science hobbyist" I'm sure you've got everything under control.
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Oh, ok. I would be concerned about the provisional signs of eventual ill health due to your steronz gobbling, but since you're a "medicine science hobbyist" I'm sure you've got everything under control.
That's not what I said. And these signs hardly have anything in common with dem sterons as they've been apparent quite a few years before I touched anything not sold over the counter.
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post a picture of your physique so we can judge whether or not your b&c was worth it!
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post a picture of your physique so we can judge whether or not your b&c was worth it!
About 245lb @ about 10%, over 6 foot.
Sweet spot is less than 6 grams a week. 8)
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I had everything tested after 4 years of constant test use. Eating everything in sight for 2 years and cleaning up diet to keep around 8% the other 2. Mine came back with hypertension and everything else was ok. This was in 2004. Afterwards i've not been using more than a cycle here and there and stopped that heavy eating year round. Also use something for my blood pressure *seloken* 50 mg aday so no high blood pressure anymore. Everyone who have done constant cycles year round, and everyone else as well should get themselves checked.
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I had everything tested after 4 years of constant test use. Eating everything in sight for 2 years and cleaning up diet to keep around 8% the other 2. Mine came back with hypertension and everything else was ok. This was in 2004. Afterwards i've not been using more than a cycle here and there and stopped that heavy eating year round. Also use something for my blood pressure *seloken* 50 mg aday so no high blood pressure anymore. Everyone who have done constant cycles year round, and everyone else as well should get themselves checked.
I will get a regular extensive test every 6-8months from now on. If I'll manage to solve my iron issues I'm pretty confident it's possible to keep everything else in check quite easily. Only other possible issue is a heart. Maybe I will have to stop lifting alltogether if it will turn out it's twice the size lol.. No prob, I have plenty of other stuff going on, wouldn't be an end of all, but I'd like to keep myself jacked if possible tho'..
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Almost every marker related to hemoglobin is out of whack. This one is the strangest. I'm anemic by these values (here comes the reason of my constant lethargy). Tren is known to shoot these through the roof and basically any anabolic steroid elevates these values, so it's interesting. But... I've been prone to anemia from an early childhood, so most likely this is genetic and not related to juice. I will be working to bring these up. (where's that anti-heme iron fella? ::) )
Take it for what it's worth.
My hemoglobin levels went up pretty fast on gear and slowly rose every test from then on, for 4 years of use. I don't know what levels you are using but normal was up to 16 and mine were going 18, 18.2, 18.3, 18.4 etc.
After i stopped using it went back to normal.
Lets put it this way. If something isn't normal, and it's not to do with diet or training, be careful. Maybe a long stretch off gear might be worth it.
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My hemoglobin levels went up pretty fast on gear and slowly rose every test from then on, for 4 years of use. I don't know what levels you are using but normal was up to 16 and mine were going 18, 18.2, 18.3, 18.4 etc.
After i stopped using it went back to normal.
Lets put it this way. If something isn't normal, and it's not to do with diet or training, be careful. Maybe a long stretch off gear might be worth it.
Well it was apparent before the gear so "off" won't change much.. I have to find out the real reason behind this. May be genetic, as one family member has similar issues from what I've recently found out.