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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ottawa-police-shoot-unarmed-teen-16-times-family-begs/
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Police in Ottawa, Kansas shot and killed an 18 year old, unarmed teen Saturday night.
Ottawa police were called about 7:50 p.m. Saturday to Orscheln Farm and Home at 2008 S. Princeton St. on a report of a person reportedly armed with a gun.
However, the family of deceased 18-year-old Joseph Jennings, said there was no gun. Ottawa Police have not confirmed that Jennings was armed either.
Ottawa Police Chief, Dennis Butler, said the officers did what they were trained to do. ”They reacted based upon the training that they’ve been given from the academy,” Butler said. “We were thankful that no officer was injured from protecting themselves from risk of great bodily harm.”
Jennings was described as a “really good boy” by family members. But he also suffered from depression, anxiety, and had horrible seizures which led to him becoming suicidal.
Two days before being shot 16 times by police, he tried to take his own life. He released the following statement on his Facebook page prior to ingesting 60 pills.
“Tonight is the night goodbye everyone!!!!! It was truly a good ride! And I’m sorry for who I might of hurted (sic) and people that I may of offended, But I love all my family and I hope you don’t hold this against me.”
Coincidentally, the two officers that were involved in the shooting of Jennings were also present when Jennings was taken to Ransom Memorial Hospital to be treated for the overdose, according to Jennings’ aunt, Brandy Smith.
Only 3 hours after leaving the hospital Jennings walked to Orschein Farm & Home. Smith said he was there on a suicide mission and when she saw how officers were handling the situation she immediately tried to intervene. ”I told them it is Joseph Jennings. He is suicidal. He is upset, don’t shoot him,” she said.
Smith’s husband also tried to stop the police from shooting him, but he was told to stop or he would be shot too.
“My husband was going to tackle him. He was within arms reach. They said to get back or they were going to shoot him,” Smith said.
Smith told KCTV 5, that her husband backed off and police attention turned back to Jennings.
“The cop yelled out, ‘bag him,’ and then three shots were fired with the bags. I just don’t know how many shots were fired. They shot him in the back of the leg and the back of the shoulder,” Smith said.
The incident is currently under investigation and yadda yadda yadda…..paid vacation.
Police are the last people to call when a family member is suicidal. All too often police are called to help a family member in need, and instead they kill them. The lack of competence which the police exhibit in dealing with the mentally ill, is disturbing.
Long gone are the days of your friendly neighborhood cop showing up to talk a person down who has hit a low point in life. Now the mentally ill are seemingly serving as target practice for these heavily militarized police forces across the country.
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No big deal....he's white.
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No big deal....he's white.
Your response is not atypical. This article was posted on a Conservative board with the same implication and statements.
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No big deal....he's white.
Al Sharpton will skip this one.
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Your response is not atypical. This article was posted on a Conservative board with the same implication and statements.
Well, unfortunately it's true. Do you really think this will go any further than that? You might hear about this around the country but you will get no outrage.
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Al Sharpton will skip this one.
Yes, because he needs to rest up from the racist rant he gave at the last one because the other kid was the REAL victim.
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ottawa-police-shoot-unarmed-teen-16-times-family-begs/
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Police in Ottawa, Kansas shot and killed an 18 year old, unarmed teen Saturday night.
Ottawa police were called about 7:50 p.m. Saturday to Orscheln Farm and Home at 2008 S. Princeton St. on a report of a person reportedly armed with a gun.
However, the family of deceased 18-year-old Joseph Jennings, said there was no gun. Ottawa Police have not confirmed that Jennings was armed either.
Ottawa Police Chief, Dennis Butler, said the officers did what they were trained to do. ”They reacted based upon the training that they’ve been given from the academy,” Butler said. “We were thankful that no officer was injured from protecting themselves from risk of great bodily harm.”
Jennings was described as a “really good boy” by family members. But he also suffered from depression, anxiety, and had horrible seizures which led to him becoming suicidal.
Two days before being shot 16 times by police, he tried to take his own life. He released the following statement on his Facebook page prior to ingesting 60 pills.
“Tonight is the night goodbye everyone!!!!! It was truly a good ride! And I’m sorry for who I might of hurted (sic) and people that I may of offended, But I love all my family and I hope you don’t hold this against me.”
Coincidentally, the two officers that were involved in the shooting of Jennings were also present when Jennings was taken to Ransom Memorial Hospital to be treated for the overdose, according to Jennings’ aunt, Brandy Smith.
Only 3 hours after leaving the hospital Jennings walked to Orschein Farm & Home. Smith said he was there on a suicide mission and when she saw how officers were handling the situation she immediately tried to intervene. ”I told them it is Joseph Jennings. He is suicidal. He is upset, don’t shoot him,” she said.
Smith’s husband also tried to stop the police from shooting him, but he was told to stop or he would be shot too.
“My husband was going to tackle him. He was within arms reach. They said to get back or they were going to shoot him,” Smith said.
Smith told KCTV 5, that her husband backed off and police attention turned back to Jennings.
“The cop yelled out, ‘bag him,’ and then three shots were fired with the bags. I just don’t know how many shots were fired. They shot him in the back of the leg and the back of the shoulder,” Smith said.
The incident is currently under investigation and yadda yadda yadda…..paid vacation.
Police are the last people to call when a family member is suicidal. All too often police are called to help a family member in need, and instead they kill them. The lack of competence which the police exhibit in dealing with the mentally ill, is disturbing.
Long gone are the days of your friendly neighborhood cop showing up to talk a person down who has hit a low point in life. Now the mentally ill are seemingly serving as target practice for these heavily militarized police forces across the country.
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Smith said her nephew suffered from depression, seizures and other mental problems and purposefully antagonized police in an effort to get them to shoot him.
“I think he was on a suicide mission,” Smith said as she stood in the store’s parking lot.
Jennings puffed out his chest at officers, Smith said, and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article1287028.html#storylink=cpy
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Yes, because he needs to rest up from the racist rant he gave at the last one because the other kid was the REAL hebrew victim.
Fixed
Reverse racism is all the rage now.
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Smith said her nephew suffered from depression, seizures and other mental problems and purposefully antagonized police in an effort to get them to shoot him.
“I think he was on a suicide mission,” Smith said as she stood in the store’s parking lot.
Jennings puffed out his chest at officers, Smith said, and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article1287028.html#storylink=cpy
That's irrelevant.
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That's irrelevant.
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Of course its relevant dimwit. He wanted the cops to shoot him and did everything he could think of by appearing as a threat to the officers safety and hence they shot him.
Totally justified.
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Of course its relevant dimwit. He wanted the cops to shoot him and did everything he could think of by appearing as a threat to the officers safety and hence they shot him.
Totally justified.
I was being factious you idiot.
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Looks wigger.
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Very sad story. If it is as in the OP story,
His family members trying to help him & telling the police
he was suicidal, then being threatened to be shot also
if they didn't get out the way.!!
Jeez & this is Policing done properly & of course they are
backed up as acting correctly.
Was it necessary to shot him 16 times. :o :o
That sounds more like target Practice.
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Totally unnecessary.
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The police force today is totally different from what is use to be, its no longer about making peace and calming the situation, now its about enforcement and eliminating the target, I would never call the police unless I want somebody killed.
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Totally unnecessary.
Agreed. The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun and planning the whole suicide by cop.
What was so necessary about that?
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The police force today is totally different from what is use to be, its no longer about making peace and calming the situation, now its about enforcement and eliminating the target, I would never call the police unless I want somebody killed.
Too many dead cops because of making peace, hesitating etc etc... Its an unsafe world out there, they act accordingly.
Another case of good customer service.... he asked, they obliged.
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This is awful. But, It sounds like this kid was going to eventually commit suicide (soon).
I hope that the parents at least tried to get Joeseph medication for his seizures/anxiety/depression.
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This is awful. But, It sounds like this kid was going to eventually commit suicide (soon).
I hope that the parents at least tried to get Joeseph medication for his seizures/anxiety/depression.
The moron was in a mental hospital a few hours prior to his suicide by cop. They tried. Everyone tried. He wanted to die and he got his wish.
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PIP
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The moron was in a mental hospital a few hours prior to his suicide by cop. They tried. Everyone tried. He wanted to die and he got his wish.
Yet the cops claim self defense ::)
Just admit you shot him cause he got on your nerves. This is just as bad as when 280lb bodybuilders claim all natty (making this BB related).
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Yet the cops claim self defense ::)
Just admit you shot him cause he got on your nerves. This is just as bad as when 280lb bodybuilders claim all natty (making this BB related).
Ah yes.
Cops kill kids when they are slightly annoyed.
Makes perfect sense.
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Agreed. The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun and planning the whole suicide by cop.
What was so necessary about that?
Where did he pretend to have a gun?
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Where did he pretend to have a gun?
Read with your eyes.
Jennings puffed out his chest at officers, Smith said, and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun.
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Read with your eyes.
Jennings puffed out his chest at officers, Smith said, and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun.
TA said, "The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun" The article said, "made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun" So said the police officers. ::) This is how shit gets totally blown out of proportion.
So tell me what gestures he made, how many he made and were each gesture the same and how did each one of them "look" like he was "going for a gun"??
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Read with your eyes.
Jennings puffed out his chest at officers, Smith said, and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun.
Where is that in the article? I can't find it in the one OP posted.
But lets say the article does say that, I bet the cops said that, not the bystanders. Of course the cops will cover their asses as much as they can by blaming the kid.
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Fixed
Reverse racism is all the rage now.
No such thing as "reverse racism". That is like saying "forward-forward". Racism is racism. And forward is forward.
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Where is that in the article? I can't find it in the one OP posted.
But lets say the article does say that, I bet the cops said that, not the bystanders. Of course the cops will cover their asses as much as they can by blaming the kid.
Exactly, these guys were trigger happy, but bottom line nothing will happen to them and life goes on for most.
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TA said, "The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun" The article said, "made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun" So said the police officers. ::) This is how shit gets totally blown out of proportion.
So tell me what gestures he made, how many he made and were each gesture the same and how did each one of them "look" like he was "going for a gun"??
Exactly. Cops blow everything out of proportion. I am sure they are blowing this out of proportion. OF course they are. They dont want to go to jail.
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TA said, "The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun" The article said, "made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun" So said the police officers. ::) This is how shit gets totally blown out of proportion.
So tell me what gestures he made, how many he made and were each gesture the same and how did each one of them "look" like he was "going for a gun"??
dunno. wasnt there.
neither of us were.
he gestured enough to get his ass blasted.
Exactly. Cops blow everything out of proportion. I am sure they are blowing this out of proportion. OF course they are. They dont want to go to jail.
No, they just didnt want to be victims. Did what they had to.
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dunno. wasnt there.
neither of us were.
he gestured enough to get his ass blasted.
No, they just didnt want to be victims. Did what they had to.
How do you know he gestured enough to get his ass blasted? you just said you wasn't there?
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Bullshit, the uncle and aunt were standing next to him, and they told them to move back. if i have the option to save a family at my own risk, then so be it!
#CAMERAS ON COPS!
this shit is getting out of hand.
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TA said, "The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun" The article said, "made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun" So said the police officers. ::) This is how shit gets totally blown out of proportion.
So tell me what gestures he made, how many he made and were each gesture the same and how did each one of them "look" like he was "going for a gun"??
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/
Police decided to use a taser, but Smith asked the officers not to use the weapon because Jennings suffered from seizures and had heart problems. So, police decided to fire beanbag rounds at him instead.
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dunno. wasnt there.
neither of us were.
he gestured enough to get his ass blasted.
No, they just didnt want to be victims. Did what they had to.
Not necessarily. Cops dont alway do what they have to. There are many times when use inappropriate force.
Any gesture can be construed as a threat. Its all subjective, which means it gives cops free reign to blast anyone away. Cops are going to twist everything around to make a situation seem more deadly, in order to justify their extreme measures.
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How do you know he gestured enough to get his ass blasted? you just said you wasn't there?
its evident he gestured enough to get blasted, because... welll, he get blasted.
one or more of the officers feared enough for his life that killed the kid.
our thoughts and prayers should be with the officers that were forced to make a tough decision, and have to live with that forever.
likely a tramatic experience.
Not necessarily. Cops dont alway do what they have to. There are many times when use inappropriate force.
Any gesture can be construed as a threat. Its all subjective, which means it gives cops free reign to blast anyone away. Cops are going to twist everything around to make a situation seem more deadly, in order to justify their extreme measures.
Inappropriate force, sure. Yes. Lumping up a good old neegul because he pissed them off. Sure.
Killing a sick kid, oh brother. Cops might be heavy handed, dickheads, racists etc etc, I really dont think most of them are straight murderers.
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His aunt, Brandy Smith, said Jennings was on a 'suicide mission' at the hardware store parking lot.
Smith told The Star that her nephew made gestures that looked like he was reaching for a gun — and the shooting began.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735852/They-didnt-kill-Familys-fury-death-depressed-teen-shot-16-times-police-just-three-hours-attempted-suicide.html#ixzz3CBnWOxvY
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http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/
Police decided to use a taser, but Smith asked the officers not to use the weapon because Jennings suffered from seizures and had heart problems. So, police decided to fire beanbag rounds at him instead.
OK, thanks so I guess the bags didn't do anything?
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*guns down old lady*
"She was reaching in her purse, for all I knew she was grabbing a gun!"
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Looking for a gun. ;D ;D hahhahahahhahhahahahhaha .
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OK, thanks so I guess the bags didn't do anything?
No, they were lethal in this instance. The police were called to the scene of reports of a man with a gun. The aunt said he may have a gun or weapon.
Just in case you missed it:
His aunt, Brandy Smith, said Jennings was on a 'suicide mission' at the hardware store parking lot.
Smith told The Star that her nephew made gestures that looked like he was reaching for a gun — and the shooting began.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735852/They-didnt-kill-Familys-fury-death-depressed-teen-shot-16-times-police-just-three-hours-attempted-suicide.html#ixzz3CBnWOxvY
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His aunt, Brandy Smith, said Jennings was on a 'suicide mission' at the hardware store parking lot.
Smith told The Star that her nephew made gestures that looked like he was reaching for a gun — and the shooting began.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735852/They-didnt-kill-Familys-fury-death-depressed-teen-shot-16-times-police-just-three-hours-attempted-suicide.html#ixzz3CBnWOxvY
True Adonis, I have noticed that you are VERY passionate about this subject.
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its evident he gestured enough to get blasted, because... welll, he get blasted.
one or more of the officers feared enough for his life that killed the kid.
our thoughts and prayers should be with the officers that were forced to make a tough decision, and have to live with that forever.
likely a tramatic experience.
Inappropriate force, sure. Yes. Lumping up a good old neegul because he pissed them off. Sure.
Killing a sick kid, oh brother. Cops might be heavy handed, dickheads, racists etc etc, I really dont think most of them are straight murderers.
Ah ok.
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OK, thanks so I guess the bags didn't do anything?
In case you missed it again:
http://kansasfirstnews.com/2014/08/25/aunt-of-slain-kansas-man-says-nephew-wanted-to-die/
Jennings’ aunt, Brandy Smith of Ottawa, said she watched as her nephew puffed out his chest at officers and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun. Smith said Jennings suffered from depression, seizures and other mental problems and wanted to be shot.
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No, they were lethal in this instance. The police were called to the scene of reports of a man with a gun. The aunt said he may have a gun or weapon.
Just in case you missed it:
His aunt, Brandy Smith, said Jennings was on a 'suicide mission' at the hardware store parking lot.
Smith told The Star that her nephew made gestures that looked like he was reaching for a gun — and the shooting began.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2735852/They-didnt-kill-Familys-fury-death-depressed-teen-shot-16-times-police-just-three-hours-attempted-suicide.html#ixzz3CBnWOxvY
You mean the bags were what killed him?
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True Adonis, I have noticed that you are VERY passionate about this subject.
Yes. You were disseminating information with the wrong agenda in mind. Clearly you were a bit unclear of the facts of this case.
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In case you missed it again:
http://kansasfirstnews.com/2014/08/25/aunt-of-slain-kansas-man-says-nephew-wanted-to-die/
Jennings’ aunt, Brandy Smith of Ottawa, said she watched as her nephew puffed out his chest at officers and made several gestures that could have looked like he was going for a gun. Smith said Jennings suffered from depression, seizures and other mental problems and wanted to be shot.
Well I don't see how I could miss that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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its evident he gestured enough to get blasted, because... welll, he get blasted.
one or more of the officers feared enough for his life that killed the kid.
our thoughts and prayers should be with the officers that were forced to make a tough decision, and have to live with that forever.
likely a tramatic experience.
Inappropriate force, sure. Yes. Lumping up a good old neegul because he pissed them off. Sure.
Killing a sick kid, oh brother. Cops might be heavy handed, dickheads, racists etc etc, I really dont think most of them are straight murderers.
The issue is that its all subjective. What may threaten one police officer, may not threaten another one. It gives them free reign to pretty much do anything they want.
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You mean the bags were what killed him?
Technically his heart stopped. But yes, bean bags were fired at him, not bullets.
They wanted to use a taser but the aunt said no.
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Yes. You were disseminating information with the wrong agenda in mind. Clearly you were a bit unclear of the facts of this case.
I just posted the article. People are free to make whatever they want of it. I can't control people's subjective responses to the situation. Don't kill the messenger.
Also, why do you use big red letters?
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The issue is that its all subjective. What may threaten one police officer, may not threaten another one. It gives them free reign to pretty much do anything they want.
No it doesn`t.
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Notice when the suicide attempts took place: end of summer, a couple days before school started.
He was 18.... He may have been about to start his Senior year in high school. Anxiety probably took over.
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Technically his heart stopped. But yes, bean bags were fired at him, not bullets.
They wanted to use a taser but the aunt said no.
Fuck :-\
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No it doesn`t.
Tell that to the women who was kicked in the head by a cop while she was handcuffed behind the back.
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Tell that to the women who was kicked in the head by a cop while she was handcuffed behind the back.
What am I supposed to tell her and who is this person?
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I would think that an absolute prerequisite to the use of lethal force would be it's necessity. And that would have to be predicated by the production of a lethal weapon. "Making moves" like you are going for a gun shouldn't be the same thing as producing a gun. I am sure that once the first round was fired, the rest we fired in sympathy (defined as "somebody else must have seen the gun").
Based on my extensive research comprised of scanning this thread and the jamoke comments therein, I proclaim this shoot:
NOT JUSTIFIED.
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What am I supposed to tell her and who is this person?
"Tell that to the person...." Is not meant to be taken literally. :-\ :-\
Also, why do you post responses in gigantic red letters? :) :)
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The argument "he was on a suicide mission, he wanted to die" which makes it OK for the cops to kill him is ridiculous. In the US euthanasia is illegal, even with doctor supervision. If that is your argument you are 100% wrong.
A better argument is that he gestured as if he had a gun or something, but then again, we've seen cops shoot a mentally ill double amputee holding a pen in his hand. They claimed that a double amputee tried to stab them with a PEN ::) (Story: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/))
I guess its easier to shoot than to diffuse the situation (what cops are supposed to do in the first place).
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I would think that an absolute prerequisite to the use of lethal force would be it's necessity. And that would have to be predicated by the production of a lethal weapon. "Making moves" like you are going for a gun shouldn't be the same thing as producing a gun. I am sure that once the first round was fired, the rest we fired in sympathy (defined as "somebody else must have seen the gun").
Based on my extensive research comprised of scanning this thread and the jamoke comments therein, I proclaim this shoot:
NOT JUSTIFIED.
They used Bean Bags, not lethal force. It just happened to be lethal in this case. Perhaps he fell and hit his head after the shots. Either way, he pretended to have a gun and according to his Aunt, wanted to die and wanted the Police to shoot him.
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The argument "he was on a suicide mission, he wanted to die" which makes it OK for the cops to kill him is ridiculous. In the US euthanasia is illegal, even with doctor supervision. If that is your argument you are 100% wrong.
A better argument is that he gestured as if he had a gun or something, but then again, we've seen cops shoot a mentally ill double amputee holding a pen in his hand. They claimed that a double amputee tried to stab them with a PEN ::) (Story: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/))
I guess its easier to shoot than to diffuse the situation (what cops are supposed to do in the first place).
What is the most damage he could have done? I mean, seriously, shooting him in the head. ::) ::) One shot to the arm or leg would have done the trick.
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The argument "he was on a suicide mission, he wanted to die" which makes it OK for the cops to kill him is ridiculous. In the US euthanasia is illegal, even with doctor supervision. If that is your argument you are 100% wrong.
A better argument is that he gestured as if he had a gun or something, but then again, we've seen cops shoot a mentally ill double amputee holding a pen in his hand. They claimed that a double amputee tried to stab them with a PEN ::) (Story: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/ (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/))
I guess its easier to shoot than to diffuse the situation (what cops are supposed to do in the first place).
They tried to diffuse the situation. The call they got was a man, armed with a gun waving it around. The Aunt said he may have a weapon. They tried to talk Jennings down. Jennings did not comply at all. They wanted to use a taser. The Aunt said No. They used Bean Bags instead when he gestured with could have been a weapon.
What more did you want them to do? Make him a sandwich and buy him a PS4?
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What is the most damage he could have done? I mean, seriously, shooting him in the head. ::) ::) One shot to the arm or leg would have done the trick.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/
Claunch trapped one officer with his wheelchair in the corner of a room "where he couldn't get out," said a Houston police department representative who declined to be identified.
As he advanced toward the officers, Claunch was "refusing to show his hands," the representative said.
The object turned out to be a pen, which Claunch attempted to use to stab the cornered officer, according to police accounts reported in the media, including by KTRK.
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Furthermore, the officer who shot the wheelchair madman knew how deadly a knife can be.
The incident was the second shooting involving Marin. In October 2009, he shot and killed a knife-wielding man who stabbed his girlfriend and a neighbor, according to published reports at the time. Marin joined the Houston Police Department in 2007.
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Officer Marin is a real hero.
http://www.civiliansdown.com/Oseguera,%20Jose%20100909/Officer%20kills%20man%20wielding%20knife-chron%201011.htm
STAFF REPORTS
Sun 10/11/2009 Houston Chronicle, Section B, Page 2, 3 STAR Edition
Officer kills man wielding knife
A Houston police officer shot and killed a knife-wielding man who fatally stabbed a neighbor and injured his girlfriend Friday night.
As officers responded to an assault call around 11:40 p.m. at the Cobblestone Apartments in the 8400 block of Winkler, they saw the man stabbing a woman, Houston Police Department spokesman Kese Smith said.
When they got upstairs, officers said they saw the man stabbing another male who attempted to intervene and rescue the 42-year-old woman. The injured man, a neighbor, collapsed.
Two officers, one identified as Officer M. Marin, drew their weapons and ordered the suspect to drop the knife.
The suspect raised the knife to stab the man again and Marin fired two shots, striking the suspect in the arm, Smith said. Wounded, the man with the knife lunged toward Marin, who shot him in the head.
The man with the knife and his neighbor were both pronounced dead at the southeast Houston complex, Smith said. Police have not released their identities pending verification from the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office.
The woman, whose name has not been released, was transported to Ben Taub General Hospital with multiple stab wounds. Smith said she is expected to survive.
Marin, who joined the force two years ago and works in the traffic enforcement division, will be placed on the standard three days of administrative duty, Smith said
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I'm guessing one bag hit him in the chest and he went into cardiac arrest from a disturbance in the rhythm of the heart due to possibly V-fib. I remember a young boy who was playing soccer got hit in the chest with a soccer ball and died. The Dr said the ball hit him at an exact moment when his heart was probably between beats. Of course the bags have a much more concentrated force behind them.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/23/us/texas-amputee-shooting/
Claunch trapped one officer with his wheelchair in the corner of a room "where he couldn't get out," said a Houston police department representative who declined to be identified.
As he advanced toward the officers, Claunch was "refusing to show his hands," the representative said.
The object turned out to be a pen, which Claunch attempted to use to stab the cornered officer, according to police accounts reported in the media, including by KTRK.
Okay, you're right and I am wrong.
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The thing is, if they shot him with a taser and he died, everyone would be saying, "why didn`t you use the bean bags".
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kid was shot with 16 bullets
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kid was shot with 16 bullets
Bean Bags.
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should just spray people with liquid dog shit.
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should just spray people with liquid dog shit.
Or just show them pics of Radu.
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Bean Bags.
facts matter
you're wrong
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facts matter
you're wrong
Every report says bean bags, including the Aunt who was right there during the whole thing.
Here you go again, making up lies and false information and believing it to be true.
Hand up Don`t Shoot. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Kid was shot with 16 Killer Meteors
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Every report says bean bags, including the Aunt who was right there during the whole thing.
Here you go again, making up lies and false information and believing it to be true.
Hand up Don`t Shoot. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
getbiggers will not stand for your
factual homicide
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getbiggers will not stand for your
factual homicide
You made the claim, now deliver. It was bean bags.
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Aunt Who Witnessed Fatal Police Shooting in Kansas Recounts What Led to Death of Mentally Ill Teen
By: Kevin Gosztola Tuesday August 26, 2014 4:58 pm
Kevin Gosztola August 26th, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Those weren’t bean bag rounds. Sorry that was not clear enough.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/
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you can stop making false claims now
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Aunt Who Witnessed Fatal Police Shooting in Kansas Recounts What Led to Death of Mentally Ill Teen
By: Kevin Gosztola Tuesday August 26, 2014 4:58 pm
Kevin Gosztola August 26th, 2014 at 7:22 pm
Those weren’t bean bag rounds. Sorry that was not clear enough.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/
Article says beanbags. Its the same one I posted.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/
Police decided to use a taser, but Smith asked the officers not to use the weapon because Jennings suffered from seizures and had heart problems. So, police decided to fire beanbag rounds at him instead.
Smith further recounted, “They said beanbag him. They bean bagged him. He lost his balance a little. He kind of took some deep breaths, a little bit. Never did he reach for a weapon. They beanbagged him two more times. He lost his balance. They beanbagged him again.
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What is the most damage he could have done? I mean, seriously, shooting him in the head. ::) ::) One shot to the arm or leg would have done the trick.
have you ever actually shot a gun?
I love all this "leg or arm" bullshit people like to spew. Its not as easy you think to pick off a limb, from some distance, with your heart racing, adrenaline pumping, hands shaking etc etc.
And you dont shoot to hurt, you shoot to kill. Every time. Guns= stop the problem, instantly. Less than lethal weapons sometimes kill as well, in this care it happened that way.
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have you ever actually shot a gun?
I love all this "leg or arm" bullshit people like to spew. Its not as easy you think to pick off a limb, from some distance, with your heart racing, adrenaline pumping, hands shaking etc etc.
And you dont shoot to hurt, you shoot to kill. Every time. Guns= stop the problem, instantly. Less than lethal weapons sometimes kill as well, in this care it happened that way.
If he was cornering a cop that means he was extremely close to him, which means the cop that was cornered, his partner was probably in the same room. Partner could have just come behind him and rolled him away lol. Instead he shoots him in the head. Shooting this old man in the head who is missing a leg or an arm is not justified.
If 2 cops cannot control a situation that involves a mentally ill old man in a wheelchair with 2 limbs, then they are shitty cops and should be fired. Ridiculous.
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you're attempting to murder the facts again and we will not allow it.
Kevin Gosztola, the writer who interviewed the mother/aunt said it himself. Read the comments following the report.
Those weren’t bean bag rounds. Sorry that was not clear enough.
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/08/26/aunt-who-witnessed-ottawa-police-shooting-recounts-what-led-to-death-of-mentally-ill-teen/#comment-75137
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I assume a couple officers shot him with beanbags. Another couple likely had their guns on him. He got shot with the beanbags, and then reached for his waistband and subsequently got sent to allah.
There were a handful of cops. 8 I believe.
I doubt they rolled 8 deep initially, so that also leads us to believe it was some sort of tactical team, or just enough time had elapsed for multiple other cars to respond.
These liberal rag journalists love to spin things. Present half facts etc. etc.
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No big deal....he's white.
He was shot with bean bags....that's why it isn't a story. He was going to die anyway from an overdose.
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How bout no one knows what the Fuk really happened.
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How bout no one knows what the Fuk really happened.
including you, friend.
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If those bean bags were filled with jelly beans I would be delighted. If said bags contained lima beans, I would be very sad. I strongly dislike lima beans.
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including you, friend.
Of course. :)
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the cops shot 24 rounds of ammunition and 4 bean bags
there's no dispute about it
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What time does the protest/looting/rioting begin? And when do Jesse and Al arrive in town?
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The moron was in a mental hospital a few hours prior to his suicide by cop. They tried. Everyone tried. He wanted to die and he got his wish.
Hey ass fucker, this kid was suffering from depression so severe that he wanted to die...You can defend the cops all day long, I won't argue with you about that, it seems he was intentionally trying to get shot by appearing to be a threat. Was it necessary to shoot 16 times? Who knows I wasn't there, yet..I doubt it.
Yet, it's obvious he did not intend to hurt the police considering he had no gun, let alone kill( I'll gladly take back those words if new facts come to light which show otherwise)... He simply wanted to die...You may also have an argument saying that he did something stupid in a state of total despair...Yet here you are calling this dead boy a moron, are you fucking serious? You're a sick, demented piece of shit. If anyone is a moron, it's you...
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Hey ass fucker, this kid was suffering from depression so severe that he wanted to die...You can defend the cops all day long, I won't argue with you about that, it seems he was intentionally trying to get shot by appearing to be a threat.
Yet, it's obvious he did not intend to hurt the police, let alone kill( I'll gladly take back those words if new facts go me to light which show otherwise)... He simply wanted to die...Yet here you are calling this dead boy a moron, are you fucking serious? You're a sick, demented piece of shit. If anyone is a moron, it's you...
So you are saying its not moronic behavior intentionally trying to get shot by appearing to be a threat? ??? (the bolded part are your words exactly as above)
Seems pretty moronic in my opinion, that is unless you hate life, which is also moronic in my opinion.
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So you are saying its not moronic behavior intentionally trying to get shot by appearing to be a threat? ??? (the bolded part are your words exactly as above)
Seems pretty moronic in my opinion, that is unless you hate life, which is also moronic in my opinion.
I edited my post to address that before seeing your reply. Since when does doing something moronic, make someone a moron? We all make mistakes, especially in distress. You have the benefit of hindsight, since when it is ok to spit on a dead child who obviously was suffering, and was only looking to harm himself? My point stands, you are disgusting.
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unless you hate life, which is also moronic in my opinion.
You cannot be serious, are you? Do you not believe that there are people out there suffering, whether physical or mental, through no choice of their own...To a point that they do not want to live any longer, or 'hate life' as you put it, really? Looks like I've found another fucking moron. There's 7 billion people on this planet, don't expect everyone to be perfect, blessed with a sane mind and/or sound body, like you(in your mind at least, to me you are clearly damaged). Wake the fuck up from your arrogance-induced coma.
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I edited my post to address that before seeing your reply. Since when does doing something moronic, make someone a moron? We all make mistakes, especially in distress. You have the benefit of hindsight, since when it is ok to spit on a dead child who obviously was suffering, and was only looking to harm himself? My point stands, you are disgusting.
How else does someone become a moron if they aren`t doing moronic things? ???
Of course the 18 year old man was a moron. However, he died doing what he wanted, which was trying to figure out a way to kill himself and succeed, so I guess I can say he at least accomplished everything he wanted to in life. :-\
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You cannot be serious, are you? Do you not believe that there are people out there suffering, whether physical or mental, through no choice of their own...To a point that they do not want to live any longer, or 'hate life' as you put it, really? Looks like I've found another fucking moron. There's 7 billion people on this planet, don't expect everyone to be perfect, blessed with a sane mind and/or sound body, like you(in your mind at least, to me you are damaged). Wake the fuck up from your arrogance-induced coma.
Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Know what I am saying? Not everyone can be saved.
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I view it very simply. Sometimes people are so disturbed that they can't be helped. If someone is determined to die, they will most likely get their wish as this individual did. No one is to blame but the individual themselves.
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Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Know what I am saying? Not everyone can be saved.
You said very clearly, that hating life is moronic...Admit you were wrong, or accept the fact that you yourself are a moron.
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true adonis you should apologize and just move on
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Agreed. The moron should not have been threatening police by pretending he had a gun and planning the whole suicide by cop.
What was so necessary about that?
are you retarded?
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are you retarded?
???
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true adonis you should apologize and just move on
Oh now its my fault this 18 year old man wanted to tempt the fates and have an african standoff in the middle of the street?
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You said very clearly, that hating life is moronic...Admit you were wrong, or accept the fact that you yourself are a moron.
Hating life is moronic. We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?
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???
I can't stand people who say well, he should not have been doing this or that, like that is the fucken point. Of course it wouldn't have happened if they weren't doing anything in any case, did you just figure that out Einstein?.... the point is the cops could have handled it differently.
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Oh now its my fault this 18 year old man wanted to tempt the fates and have an african standoff in the middle of the street?
you shit on the facts and then you shit on this kids memory
easy to bully dead kids
just stop posting now
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How else does someone become a moron if they aren`t doing moronic things? ???
You have a point...I'm pretty sure that most would agree that someone who is supposedly half-Jewish wearing a shirt with a giant red swastika would be pretty moronic, I'm also pretty sure that at minimum, 50%+ of your posts(I'm being generous) would be considered moronic by the vast majority of the general public...So, I completely agree. For once you are right,TA....You are a moron, due not only to one moronic 'thing' you've said or done...But many. Bask in this glory, as I know you are incapable of ever admitting any wrong...You stubborn bastard.
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I can't stand people who say well, he should not have been doing this or that, like that is the fucken point. Of course it wouldn't have happened if they weren't doing anything in any case, did you just figure that out Einstein?.... the point is the cops could have handled it differently.
Handled differently how?
1. They tried to talk him down.
2. They wanted to use tasers, but Aunt Moron said no, do not use them.
3. They tried Bean Bags.
4. Moron pretended to have a gun and may have had a weapon that either was a gun of some sort, or resembled one.
5. Moron made threatening movements.
6. Moron told his family his plans.
7. Moron was in the mental hospital a few hours prior to his Suicide.
What else could anyone have done genius?
He wanted to die and refused all help. What else was to be done?
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you shit on the facts and then you shit on this kids memory
easy to bully dead kids
just stop posting now
x10000000000000000000000000000000000000
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you shit on the facts and then you shit on this kids memory
easy to bully dead kids
just stop posting now
Calm down.
I am going to nominate this kid for a Darwin Award.
(http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/192/08/192-0820150205-darwin_awards.jpg)
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Handled differently how?
1. They tried to talk him down.
2. They wanted to use tasers, but Aunt Moron said no, do not use them.
3. They tried Bean Bags.
4. Moron pretended to have a gun and may have had a weapon that either was a gun of some sort, or resembled one.
5. Moron made threatening movements.
6. Moron told his family his plans.
7. Moron was in the mental hospital a few hours prior to his Suicide.
What else could anyone have done genius?
He wanted to die and refused all help. What else was to be done?
the husband was in striking distance of tackling him, why would they not let him, he knew the kid was not a threat if he was willing to do so.
In my city was a stand of with a guy who actually had a real gun and the dad bagged the cops to give a chance to confront his son and the son was suicidal as well, the cops gave the dad the handcuffs and the dad grabbed his son and subdued him and put the cuffs on him.
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the husband was in striking distance of tackling him, why would they not let him, he knew the kid was not a threat if he was willing to do so.
In my city was a stand of with a guy who actually had a real gun and the dad bagged the cops to give a chance to confront his son and the son was suicidal as well, the cops gave the dad the handcuffs and the dad grabbed his son and subdued him and put the cuffs on him.
::)
Yah, what could possibly go wrong in such a scenario where the suspect may have a weapon or gun. ::)
You have watched one too many Lifetime TV dramas. Seriously.
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Hating life is moronic. We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?
Nice Richard Dawkins quote. You should quote him and not pass it off as your own.
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Hating life is moronic. We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here.We privileged few, who won the lottery of birth against all odds, how dare we whine at our inevitable return to that prior state from which the vast majority have never stirred?
Again, I pose to you this question, which you did not answer: "Do you not believe that there are people out there suffering, whether physical or mental, through no choice of their own to the point that they don't want to live, or 'hate life' as you put it?' Again, TA, there re seven BILLION people on this planet, not all are blessed with a sound mind or body...It does not necessarily make them morons, for being one of the unfortunate 7 billion...If your answer is no, then I'll just say this one last time(as it's pointless to debate you): You're a moron.
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Nice Richard Dawkins quote. You should quote him and not pass it off as your own.
Its one of my favorites, but it was not an exact source copy as its on an atheist site I like to frequent.
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Again, I pose to you this question, which you did not answer: "Do you not believe that there are people out there suffering, whether physical or mental, through no choice of their own to the point that they don't want to live, or 'hate life' as you put it?' Again, TA, there re seven BILLION people on this planet, not all are blessed with a sound mind or health...It does not necessarily make them morons, for being one of the unfortunate 7 billion...One last time as it's pointless to debate you: You're a moron.
They can suffer and wither away just as long as they do not hurt anyone else or violate anyone elses rights as far as I am concerned. Yes, they are morons whether they realize it or not, just like Down`s Syndrome kids are morons.
If that offends you, I am not sorry. Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring Down`s Syndrome into the world if you have the choice.
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Its one of my favorites, but it was not an exact source copy as its on an atheist site I like to frequent.
It is a nice quote. I believe he also states it while talking at universities.
Him at UC Berkeley
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It is a nice quote. I believe he also states it while talking at universities.
Him at UC Berkeley
He is the best!
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He is the best!
Yup, him and Hitchens. Sam Harris, too.
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Its one of my favorites, but it was not an exact source copy as its on an atheist site I like to frequent.
LMAO, owned...Nice excuse...Not. No matter whether or not it's an 'exact source copy', if those words did not come from you, whether wholly or partially...You utilize these things called quotation marks...Wouldn't expect a moron to know that, though.
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LMAO, owned...Nice excuse...Not. No matter whether or not it's an 'exact source copy', if those words did not come from you, whether wholly or partially...You use these things called quotation marks...Wouldn't expect a moron to know that, though.
This is true. Even when writing a peer reviewed journal, all paraphrases of results must be cited. Basically, everything must be cited. In fact, most peer reviewed journals do not directly quote other papers. They paraphrase results and information from other journals, then cite them.
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Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Know what I am saying? Not everyone can be saved.
qft.
honestly. its not always a happy world.
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Calm down.
I am going to nominate this kid for a Darwin Award.
(http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/192/08/192-0820150205-darwin_awards.jpg)
plagiarism, lies and crass insensitivity
step away from the keyboard immediately
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qft.
honestly. its not always a happy world.
Youre right, its not always a happy world. Bad shit happens to good people all the time. However, that doesnt mean we have to glorify or dismiss the tragedy of these people as being useless. There is a fine line between realism and being a dick head. Obviously, you can conduct yourself as you please. Me, I prefer to view things differently, not as TA does.
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Youre right, its not always a happy world. Bad shit happens to good people all the time. However, that doesnt mean we have to glorify or dismiss the tragedy as these people being useless. There is a fine line between realism and being a dick head.
Its a flawed system bro.
I really like you, value you as a getbig colleague etc.
We will always disagree on most social issues.
Maybe we should blame his parents for not noticing how sick he was sooner, and getting him admitted into a in-care treatment center etc
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They can suffer and wither away just as long as they do not hurt anyone else or violate anyone elses rights as far as I am concerned. Yes, they are morons whether they realize it or not, just like Down`s Syndrome kids are morons.
If that offends you, I am not sorry. Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring Down`s Syndrome into the world if you have the choice.
you know what TA, don't assume I disagree with all your points. I actually agree with quite a few things you've said now and in the past, and I've been reading Getbig since before you defected here...It's just that the stupid shit you say totally cancels out any wisdom that pops up here and there in your posts.
Again... Just going to post this again...and...I'm OUT. Time for bed.
How else does someone become a moron if they aren`t doing moronic things?
You have a point...I'm pretty sure that most would agree that someone who is supposedly half-Jewish wearing a shirt with a giant red swastika would be pretty moronic, I'm also pretty sure that at minimum, 50%+ of your posts(I'm being generous) would be considered moronic by the vast majority of the general public...So, I completely agree. For once you are right,TA....You are a moron, due not only to one moronic 'thing' you've said or done...But many. Bask in this glory, as I know you are incapable of ever admitting any wrong...You stubborn bastard.
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They can suffer and wither away just as long as they do not hurt anyone else or violate anyone elses rights as far as I am concerned. Yes, they are morons whether they realize it or not, just like Down`s Syndrome kids are morons.
If that offends you, I am not sorry. Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring Down`s Syndrome into the world if you have the choice.
You know what TA, don't assume I disagree with all your points. I actually agree with quite a few things you've said now and in the past, and I've been reading Getbig since before you defected here...It's just that the stupid shit you say totally cancels out any wisdom that pops up here and there in your posts.
Just going to post this again...and...I'm OUT. Time for bed.
How else does someone become a moron if they aren`t doing moronic things?
You have a point...I'm pretty sure that most would agree that someone who is supposedly half-Jewish wearing a shirt with a giant red swastika would be pretty moronic, I'm also pretty sure that at minimum, 50%+ of your posts(I'm being generous) would be considered moronic by the vast majority of the general public...So, I completely agree. For once you are right,TA....You are a moron, due not only to one moronic 'thing' you've said or done...But many. Bask in this glory, as I know you are incapable of ever admitting any wrong...You stubborn bastard.
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Its a flawed system bro.
I really like you, value you as a getbig colleague etc.
We will always disagree on most social issues.
Maybe we should blame his parents for not noticing how sick he was sooner, and getting him admitted into a in-care treatment center etc
I realize its a flawed system. I work within that flawed system all the time. With that in mind, I take a different approach to systems that are flawed. I view it from two sides: A realism side and a positive side. I realize what can and cannot be changed at a given moment and I work around it (or attempt to). Just different ways of looking at the world. To each their own.
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This is true. Even when writing a peer reviewed journal, all paraphrases of results must be cited. Basically, everything must be cited. In fact, most peer reviewed journals do not directly quote other papers. They paraphrase results and information from other journals, then cite them.
Sue me.
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Its a flawed system bro.
I really like you, value you as a getbig colleague etc.
We will always disagree on most social issues.
Maybe we should blame his parents for not noticing how sick he was sooner, and getting him admitted into a in-care treatment center etc
The moron was in the treatment center 3 hours before his final solution. The moron had been in treatment for a very long time. I don`t think there is much else that could have been done. He wasn`t going to write Beethoven`s Ninth Symphony anyways.