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http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/obama-isis-is-not-islamic
You got to be fng kidding me.
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http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/obama-isis-is-not-islamic
You got to be fng kidding me.
Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
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Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
Obama said he is a fundamentalist christian
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Obama said he is a fundamentalist christian
You believe everything he says huh? lol.
You really think an atheist could be president? he has to, you idiots wouldn't allow it.
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You believe everything he says huh? lol.
You really think an atheist could be president? he has to, you idiots wouldn't allow it.
So ypu admit failure im chief is a liar?
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/10/obama_isil_is_not_islamic.html
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I'm sure our fundies on this board will tell us that nutbags at the westboro baptist church aren't christians
Heck one of our moderators has a habit of telling us who are "real" christians and who aren't
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Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
No...first off he's not smart...you appear to be dazzled by where he went to school...not what he retained. Obama is an epic retard. 2nd...they're as Muslim as it gets and a good representation of this scumbag religion.
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I'm sure our fundies on this board will tell us that nutbags at the westboro baptist church aren't christians
Heck one of our moderators has a habit of telling us who are "real" christians and who aren't
I guess imam ayatollah Obama, peace be upon him, is in a good position as any other muslim to make thus judgment call.
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ISIS=Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
The first word in their name is Islamic...they seem to think they are.
Obama needs to spend less time with semantics and more time bombing the shit out of them.
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I'm sure our fundies on this board will tell us that nutbags at the westboro baptist church aren't christians
This is actually a pretty valid comment. The religious have a habit of picking and choosing what they believe and follow in their particular religion. Anybody remember the term cafeteria christian? Having said that, ISIL is certainly Islamic. What they practice does not stray in the least from Islamic doctrine.
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This is actually a pretty valid comment. The religious have a habit of picking and choosing what they believe and follow in their particular religion. Anybody remember the term cafeteria christian? Having said that, ISIL is certainly Islamic. What they practice does not stray in the least from Islamic doctrine.
No one ever defends Westboro asshats do, esopecially Christian groups.
No muslim groups by and large have ever repudiated radical islamist groups like ISIS.
Of course the resident Obama cultist cant accept this reality.
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No one ever defends Westboro asshats do, esopecially Christian groups.
No muslim groups by and large have ever repudiated radical islamist groups like ISIS.
Of course the resident Obama cultist cant accept this reality.
Another fine point that I agree with. It appears anytime someone criticizes Islam or to be politically correct radical Islam the first inclination of Muslims is to attack the person making the criticism and not the subject of the criticism. If Islamic apologist really cared about the reputation of their faith they would be more active in rooting out the more radical elements within their faith. By more active I mean a response other than a meaningless off-handed condemnation.
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Comparing the westboro church types, who number maybe a few thousand total and are pretty much harmless, to tens of millions of muslims who either condone or actively participate in extreme violence, massacres of entire towns, beheadings of children, mutilation of women (war on women ::)), bombings, crucifictions, ethnic and religious genocide on nationwide scales, is a bit of a stretch i think....::)
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Comparing the westboro church types, who number maybe a few thousand total and are pretty much harmless, to tens of millions of muslims who either condone or actively participate in extreme violence, massacres of entire towns, beheadings of children, mutilation of women (war on women ::)), bombings, crucifictions, ethnic and religious genocide on nationwide scales, is a bit of a stretch i think....::)
Not to a crackpot liberal doper Obama cultist
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Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
LOL
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Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
Yeah Obama is so brilliant he just happens to have been proven wrong on almost every single thing he ever said or does. ;)
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LOL
To call obama stupid = to say that romney, mccain, and GOP is SO bad, they can't defeat a stupid person.
he's smart, just misguided and/or evil. I mean, you can't call Buffet stupid.
And this talk about obama being "proven wrong" = he's pushing a liberal agenda that will hurt the USA for 50 years... he lets repubs have all sorts of public high-fives, while they're powerless to stop the massive changes he's making.
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ISIS=Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
The first word in their name is Islamic...they seem to think they are.
Obama needs to spend less time with semantics and more time bombing the shit out of them.
+1
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So ypu admit failure im chief is a liar?
Of course he is.
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This is actually a pretty valid comment. The religious have a habit of picking and choosing what they believe and follow in their particular religion. Anybody remember the term cafeteria christian? Having said that, ISIL is certainly Islamic. What they practice does not stray in the least from Islamic doctrine.
I agree that ISIL/ISIS whatever is most certainly islamic and I also think the the westboro baptist church is christian.
To deny either one is absurd. They are both using their religious beliefs to validate or justify their actions.
We have christians on this board who defend/justify violent acts against doctors who perform abortions.
We have christian terrorists such as Eric Rudolph. To pretend these people aren't christians is bullshit
We have a history of the catholic church committing horrific atrocities. They are christian too.
It's all the same across every religion. It's human beings using their religious beliefs to justify their actions.
It's all the same and it's too bad that politicians have to make these stupid comments to placate so called moderates of a certain religion rather than being honest the situation.
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I agree that ISIL/ISIS whatever is most certainly islamic and I also think the the westboro baptist church is christian.
To deny either one is absurd. They are both using their religious beliefs to validate or justify their actions.
We have christians on this board who defend/justify violent acts against doctors who perform abortions.
We have christian terrorists such as Eric Rudolph. To pretend these people aren't christians is bullshit
We have a history of the catholic church committing horrific atrocities. They are christian too.
It's all the same across every religion. It's human beings using their religious beliefs to justify their actions.
It's all the same and it's too bad that politicians have to make these stupid comments to placate so called moderates of a certain religion rather than being honest the situation.
http://therightscoop.com/fantastic-bill-maher-demolishes-charlie-rose-in-a-debate-about-islam-and-isis
no its no the same moron. Those are isolated cases -
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no its no the same moron. Those are isolated cases -
so I guess you're saying that ISIL/ISIS does not represent all muslims and they are just an isolated case of extremism
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so I guess you're saying that ISIL/ISIS does not represent all muslims and they are just an isolated case of extremism
Not isolated
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Not isolated
they have how many members (roughly) compared to the worldwide population of Muslims?
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they have how many members (roughly) compared to the worldwide population of Muslims?
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so you got nothing ?
well, at least you still have your beliefs even if they are based on nothing
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On Wednesday, President Obama gave a speech intended to lay out a strategy for dealing with ISIS. Early in the speech, he said ISIS is not Islamic, even though the group now calls itself the "Islamic State." Hours earlier, CNS News said the Council on American-Islamic Relations wanted Obama to reject ISIS’ “misappro-priation of Islamic terms and concepts,” and recognize the terrorist group was created by “the lack of freedom and justice in the region.”
"Now, let's make two things clear," Obama said. "ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents. And the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim and ISIL is certainly not a state."
Obama went on to say the group took advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory in Iraq and Syria. He also went on to say the group is not recognized by any other nation.
"ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple," he added. It's vision, he explained, is to slaughter everyone who stands in its way.
Obama's statements, however, appear to be exactly what CAIR national executive director Nihad Awad said Muslims want to hear. According to CNS, leaders with CAIR and other Muslim groups were watching to see what Obama said on the issue.
“American Muslims will evaluate the president’s strategy based on his willingness to reject ISIS’ misappropriation of Islamic terms and concepts, his clear support for the mainstream opposition to Syria’s murderous regime, his insistence on a non-sectarian government in Iraq, and his recognition that ISIS was created and is fueled by the lack of freedom and justice in the region,” Awad said.
CNS said that ISIS "claims to be acting in the name of Islam, has declared an Islamic 'caliphate' and invokes Mohammed and the Qur’an in its propaganda material." The administration, however, has continually said ISIS is not related to Islam.
Twitchy said that a number of people disagreed with what appeared to be Obama's first main point. Many wondered what Obama thought the first "I" in "ISIS" stood for.
"Obama says ISIS not Islamic," one person said. "Someone should probably tell them that."
Another person said that Obama is "scared to death to blame Islam for anything." One Twitter critic sarcastically said the "Muslim brotherhood is an atheist group."
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Obama’s ‘Strategy’ Has No Chance of Success
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President Obama just announced that he is bringing a counter-terrorism strategy to an insurgency fight. He was at pains to repeat the phrase “counter-terror” four times in a short speech. Noting that ISIL is not a state (partly because the international community thankfully does not recognize it), he declared, “ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.” Neither of those sentences, unfortunately, is true.
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ISIL is an insurgent group that controls enormous territory in Iraq and Syria that it governs. It maneuvers conventional light infantry forces supported by vehicles mounting machine guns and occasionally armored personnel carriers against the regular forces of the Iraqi Army and the Kurdish Peshmerga—and wins.
It is purely and simply not a terrorist organization any longer. Neither is it the simple manifestation of nihilistic evil the president makes out.
ISIL has described a very clear vision of seizing control of all of the territory of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Territories. It intends to abolish all of the borders and redraw them according to a new structure of governance suitable to its hateful version of an old Islamic heresy. That vision also makes it more than a simple terrorist organization. It’s awfully hard to develop a sound strategy when you start by mis-diagnosing the problem so profoundly. That’s why the “strategy” the president just announced has no chance of success.
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President Obama just announced that he is bringing a counter-terrorism strategy to an insurgency fight. He was at pains to repeat the phrase “counter-terror” four times in a short speech. Noting that ISIL is not a state (partly because the international community thankfully does not recognize it), he declared, “ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.” Neither of those sentences, unfortunately, is true.
obama
ISIL is an insurgent group that controls enormous territory in Iraq and Syria that it governs. It maneuvers conventional light infantry forces supported by vehicles mounting machine guns and occasionally armored personnel carriers against the regular forces of the Iraqi Army and the Kurdish Peshmerga—and wins.
It is purely and simply not a terrorist organization any longer. Neither is it the simple manifestation of nihilistic evil the president makes out.
ISIL has described a very clear vision of seizing control of all of the territory of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Territories. It intends to abolish all of the borders and redraw them according to a new structure of governance suitable to its hateful version of an old Islamic heresy. That vision also makes it more than a simple terrorist organization. It’s awfully hard to develop a sound strategy when you start by mis-diagnosing the problem so profoundly. That’s why the “strategy” the president just announced has no chance of success.
He explained how ISIS wasn't a recognized state, are you retarded?
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On Wednesday, President Obama gave a speech intended to lay out a strategy for dealing with ISIS. Early in the speech, he said ISIS is not Islamic, even though the group now calls itself the "Islamic State." Hours earlier, CNS News said the Council on American-Islamic Relations wanted Obama to reject ISIS’ “misappro-priation of Islamic terms and concepts,” and recognize the terrorist group was created by “the lack of freedom and justice in the region.”
"Now, let's make two things clear," Obama said. "ISIL is not Islamic. No religion condones the killing of innocents. And the vast majority of ISIL's victims have been Muslim and ISIL is certainly not a state."
Obama did say ISIL was not a state but he also said it was not representative of Islam as a religion. The first part is correct while the second is demonstrably false and naive. One need only examine the type of Islamic societies that existed around the time of Mohammed and Mohammed's actions themselves to confirm that. My question to him is whether Saudi Arabia is representative of Islam and whether it is state. Saudi Arabia commits gruesome acts of violence on its own people and its citizens are suffering from an extreme deficit of freedom and justice.
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Obama did say ISIL was not a state but he also said it was not representative of Islam as a religion. The first part is correct while the second is demonstrably false and naive. One need only examine the type of Islamic societies that existed around the time of Mohammed and Mohammed's actions themselves to confirm that. My question to him is whether Saudi Arabia is representative of Islam and whether it is state. Saudi Arabia commits gruesome acts of violence on its own people and its citizens are suffering from an extreme deficit of freedom and justice.
You could say the exact thing about any religion. it all needs to go.
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You could say the exact thing about any religion. it all needs to go.
Yes you could but Islam are the group currently cutting peoples heads off.
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Anyone want to venture a guess on who said this last week on Hannity when referring to ISIS
"either convert them or kill them. One or the other"
Isn't that pretty much what ISIS is doing in Iraq and Syria
I wonder if he sees the irony
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You could say the exact thing about any religion. it all needs to go.
No you can't.
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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/turkey-denies-u-s-permission-for-combat-attacks-on-isil/
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No you can't.
sure you can
Unless of course you're going to tell us that Phil Robertson is not really a christian
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explain how they are similar
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Hot chick...put down her weapons and went to crossfit or DQ.....muslim douchbag got on a schoolbus full of Israeli school kids and blew herself up.
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Hot chick...put down her weapons and went to crossfit or DQ.....muslim douchbag got on a schoolbus full of Israeli school kids and blew herself up.
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To Strawfagget they are the same
What I'd like to know is how they are alike other than they are both women holding guns. What is he saying, women with guns are all terrorists? That doesn't sound very logical. I guess in his mind all black guys in hoodies are thugs too.
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explain how they are similar
first the difference
one is exists in society that has broken down and is in chaos and civil war
they both believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and and a fight with the anti-christ
take the girl on the left (or Phil Robertson or any of hundreds of thousand if not millions of christians) and imagine the US society has broken down and in civil war and it wouldn't take very long for them to believe it's the End Times and that they have to prepare the earth for the return of Jesus and they would likely have no problem enforcing "biblical law" as they interpret it. Remind yourself how many things are punishable by death in the bible. Christianity is a doomsday cult patiently (and at times no so patiently) awaiting the end of the world.
For every Phil Robertson type willing to say this shit in public you've got 100 or a 1000 more saying the same shit in private
Take Missouri police officer Dan Page talking to the a chapter of the Oath Keepers
“I personally believe the Lord Jesus Christ is my saviour, but I’m also a killer,” he is seen saying. “I’ve killed a lot and, if I need to, I will kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me.”
http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/08/ferguson-cop-dan-page-relishes-being-a-killer/
If our society broke down how long do you think it would take this guy to start killing people who didn't share his beliefs
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first the difference
one is exists in society that has broken down and is in chaos and civil war
they both believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and and a fight with the anti-christ
take the girl on the left (or Phil Robertson or any of hundreds of thousand if not millions of christians) and imagine the US society has broken down and in civil war and it wouldn't take very long for them to believe it's the End Times and that they have to prepare the earth for the return of Jesus and they would likely have no problem enforcing "biblical law" as they interpret it. Remind yourself how many things are punishable by death in the bible. Christianity is a doomsday cult patiently (and at times no so patiently) awaiting the end of the world.
For every Phil Robertson type willing to say this shit in public you've got 100 or a 1000 more saying the same shit in private
Take Missouri police officer Dan Page talking to the a chapter of the Oath Keepers
http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/08/ferguson-cop-dan-page-relishes-being-a-killer/
If our society broke down how long do you think it would take this guy to start killing people who didn't share his beliefs
Doesn't seem like you have a grasp on the word similar. How are those two individuals alike? Tell me about each of their lives, their actions and opinions on maters of import like murder. I thought lefties hated stereotyping?
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Doesn't seem like you have a grasp on the word similar. How are those two individuals alike? Tell me about each of their lives, their actions and opinions on maters of import like murder.
what part don't you understand
they both are members of a doomsday cult waiting for the 2nd coming of Jesus
put the white girl with the bible in a society that has broken down and it's my opinion that it would not take long for her and Phil Robertson and Dan Page to start enforcing their version of biblical law
you already have the quote from Phil Robertson saying covert or die
maybe the girl on the left would draw the line at being a suicide bomber but then again you never know
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what part don't you understand
they both are members of a doomsday cult waiting for the 2nd coming of Jesus
put the white girl with the bible in a society that has broken down and it's my opinion that it would not take long for her and Phil Robertson and Dan Page to start enforcing their version of biblical law
you already have the quote from Phil Robertson saying covert or die
maybe the girl on the left would draw the line at being a suicide bomber but then again you never know
You're basing your entire opinion on aesthetics. Tell me about them as individuals and what they've done. How are they similar? Do you have information about them or did you just grab the picture from online?
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You're basing your entire opinion on aesthetics. Tell me about them as individuals and what they've done. How are they similar? Do you have information about them or did you just grab the picture from online?
I don't either one and neither do you
for all we know they are both models
you know exactly what I'm talking about so stop playing dumb
tell me what is different about Phil Robertson saying we should convert or kill Muslims as compared to Muslims saying they should convert or kill christians?
same mindset just a different religion
as I've said, if our society was broken down like it is in Syria and Iraq I don't think it would take too long for the Phil Robertsons of the world to pull out his bible (he said on Hannity he never leaves home without it) and start enforcing biblical law......as he sees it.
If you don't understand what I'm saying then there is no other way for me to explain it to you or at least it's not worth my time to try
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I don't either one and neither do you
for all we know they are both models
you know exactly what I'm talking about so stop playing dumb
tell me what is different about Phil Robertson saying we should convert or kill Muslims as compared to Muslims saying they should convert or kill christians?
same mindset just a different religion
as I've said, if our society was broken down like it is in Syria and Iraq I don't think it would take too long for the Phil Robertsons of the world to pull out his bible (he said on Hannity he never leaves home without it) and start enforcing biblical law......as he sees it.
If you don't understand what I'm saying then there is no other way for me to explain it to you or at least it's not worth my time to try
Your opinion is based on sweeping generalizations and scenarios that haven't or may never happen?
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I don't recall and Christians blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, taking down countries...beheading anybody on Utube etc....none. This argument is fucking stupid. You libs always always always do this...sorry guy but we're better then they are. America, the West, Christians, Jews...whatever. We're better. These people are animals.
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I don't recall and Christians blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, taking down countries...beheading anybody on Utube etc....none. This argument is fucking stupid. You libs always always always do this...sorry guy but we're better then they are. America, the West, Christians, Jews...whatever. We're better. These people are animals.
I agree. Stupid argument.
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Your opinion is based on sweeping generalizations and scenarios that haven't or may never happen?
both Christians and Muslims believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and global fight with the anti christ
that is not my opinion but a fact
I've given you examples of modern day christians espousing violence in the name of Jesus and I'm we can agree we have an abundance of examples from the Muslim side
I've given you examples of violence committed by christians in this country which were the direct result of their religious beliefs
I'd be happy to have some of our fundies jump in and tell our their vision for the armageddon taken right out of the book written by a bunch of mostly anonymous men that they believe is the word of their god. Again, remind yourself how much of that includes infractions punishable by death.....starting with working on the Sabbath which I'll bet every christian on this board has done at one time or another
it wasn't that log again that catholics were burning people at the stake.
how many christians today will tell your that our secular government is an insult to their god?
how about gay marriage. You know they think that is an insult to their god. I could give you many more examples but I'm about to hit the road and can't text any more
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I don't recall and Christians blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, taking down countries...beheading anybody on Utube etc....none. This argument is fucking stupid. You libs always always always do this...sorry guy but we're better then they are. America, the West, Christians, Jews...whatever. We're better. These people are animals.
like I said earlier in this thread
the one difference is the breakdown of society in Syria and Iraq
If we had that here in the same way I have no doubt we'd seem violently enforced biblical laws
You've got the Phil Robertson of the world reading their bible and just waiting for the sign
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both Christians and Muslims believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and global fight with the anti christ
that is not my opinion but a fact
I've given you examples of modern day christians espousing violence in the name of Jesus and I'm we can agree we have an abundance of examples from the Muslim side
I've given you examples of violence committed by christians in this country which were the direct result of their religious beliefs
I'd be happy to have some of our fundies jump in and tell our their vision for the armageddon taken right out of the book written by a bunch of mostly anonymous men that they believe is the word of their god. Again, remind yourself how much of that includes infractions punishable by death.....starting with working on the Sabbath which I'll bet every christian on this board has done at one time or another
it wasn't that log again that catholics were burning people at the stake.
how many christians today will tell your that our secular government is an insult to their god?
how about gay marriage. You know they think that is an insult to their god. I could give you many more examples but I'm about to hit the road and can't text any more
what do you know about the individuals in the picture? What do they believe or does the fact they both hold a holy book and guns enough for you to make a judgement?
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Explain the difference???? Seriously? What kind of leftist dipshit comes up with this stuff...
Im pretty sure the american girl isnt using that rifle to shoot people, nor does she condone and promote the beheading and slaughter of everyone on earth who doesnt share her religion ::)
Jesus fucking christ, no one on earth can be this dumb...
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http://conservativetribune.com/actor-humiliates-obama/
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I don't recall and Christians blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, taking down countries...beheading anybody on Utube etc....none. This argument is fucking stupid. You libs always always always do this...sorry guy but we're better then they are. America, the West, Christians, Jews...whatever. We're better. These people are animals.
you're right, all they've done so far is kill doctors, blow up abortion clinics, kill gay people, etc...
Imagine what the would do if our society broke down and they were convinced the End Times were here
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you're right, all they've done so far is kill doctors, blow up abortion clinics, kill gay people, etc...
Imagine what the would do if our society broke down and they were convinced the End Times were here
LOL - yet libfaggets like yourself are silent when muslims kills gays like yourself en masse etc
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Dude, he is a smart person, he can make that distinction.
I disagree with him but most people would agree this is a rather extreme form of Islam not practiced widely amongst it's some billion followers.
I think the same way about your religion, christianity, Obama being an atheist feels the same way.
Ok so how many practice it? 10%? that's still 100,000,000 crazy fuckers running around, I would say that is something that should be addressed.
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Ok so how many practice it? 10%? that's still 100,000,000 crazy fuckers running around, I would say that is something that should be addressed.
Exactly, millions of Muslim whack jobs and as usual the liberal retards feel compelled to point out the 20 or so Christian whackos in a pathetic equivalency argument. Ah well, if it makes them feel better - give them a box of crayons to go with it.
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you're right, all they've done so far is kill doctors, blow up abortion clinics, kill gay people, etc...
Imagine what the would do if our society broke down and they were convinced the End Times were here
All you can do is imagine and imagine you have.
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Islamists Are Not Our Friends
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WASHINGTON — A new fault line has emerged in Middle Eastern politics, one that will have profound implications for America’s foreign policy in the region. This rift is not defined by those who support or oppose the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), or by conflict between Sunnis and Shiites and the proxy war between Saudi Arabia and Iran. It is characterized by a fundamental division between Islamists and non-Islamists.
On one side are the Islamists — both Sunni and Shiite. ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood represent the Sunni end of the spectrum, while the Islamic Republic of Iran and its militias, including Hezbollah (in Lebanon and Syria) and Asaib Ahl al-Haq (in Iraq), constitute the other. Many of these Islamists are at war with one another, but they are also engaged in a bitter struggle with non-Islamists to define the fundamental identity of the region and its states. What the Islamists all have in common is that they subordinate national identities to an Islamic identity.
To be sure, not all are as extreme as ISIS, which seeks to obliterate sovereign nations under the aegis of a caliphate. But the Muslim Brotherhood is committed to the Umma, the larger Muslim community. One reason behind the popular revolt against its rule in Egypt was that the Brotherhood violated a basic principle of national identity: It was Islamist before it was Egyptian.
Now, President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi sees his country engaged in an existential conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood. He is backed financially by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. Mr. Sisi also collaborates closely with Algeria, and has support from Morocco and Jordan.
During the recent conflict in the Gaza Strip, there were demonstrations against Israel in Europe — but not in the Arab states. Unlike Turkey and Qatar, which support the Muslim Brotherhood, the other Sunni states in the region wanted to weaken Hamas, the Brotherhood’s Palestinian wing. Those states were alienated when Washington turned to Qatar and Turkey as possible mediators of a cease-fire in the recent conflict.
The Arab Awakening of 2011 did not usher in an era of democracy, nor could it. The institutions of civil society were too weak; the political culture of winner-take-all too strong; sectarian differences too powerful; and a belief in pluralism too inchoate. Instead, the awakening produced political vacuums and a struggle over identity.
President Obama is right to note the old order’s disappearance in the region and the time it’s taking for a new one to emerge. The administration is struggling to define an effective strategy — but the Islamist vs. non-Islamist divide creates an opening.
The non-Islamists include the traditional monarchies, authoritarian governments in Egypt and Algeria, and secular reformers who may be small in number but have not disappeared. They do not include Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria; he is completely dependent on Iran and Hezbollah and cannot make decisions without them.
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Today, the non-Islamists want to know that the United States supports them. For America, that means not partnering with Iran against ISIS, though both countries may avoid interfering with each other’s operations against the insurgents in Iraq.
It means actively competing with Iran in the rest of the region, independently of whether an acceptable nuclear deal can be reached with Tehran. It means recognizing that Egypt is an essential part of the anti-Islamist coalition, and that American military aid should not be withheld because of differences over Egypt’s domestic behavior.
America should also coordinate with Egypt and the U.A.E. when they bomb Islamist targets in Libya, or elsewhere. Coordination will make their military operations more effective, as well as provide America with greater ability to influence their actions. (And Washington would want to be able to head off military acts that it sees as ill-advised.)
The Obama administration worries about the consequences of excluding all Islamists. It worries, too, about appearing to give a blank check to authoritarian regimes, when it believes there need to be limits and that these regimes are likely to prove unstable over time. But as Egypt and the U.A.E. showed with the airstrikes on Islamists in Libya, some of America’s traditional partners are ready to act without us, convinced that the administration does not see all Islamists as a threat — and that America sees its interests as different from theirs. That is a problem.
These non-Islamists are America’s natural partners in the region. They favor stability, the free flow of oil and gas, and they oppose terrorism. The forces that threaten us also threaten them. The Obama administration needs to follow three principles in these partnerships.
First, focus on security and stability. Nothing, including tolerant, pluralist societies, is possible without it.
Second, do not reach out to Islamists; their creed is not compatible with pluralism or democracy. In Tunisia, the Ennahda party surrendered power only when it realized its policies had produced such a backlash that the party’s very survival was threatened. Islamists, even apparent moderates like those of Ennahda, must be left with no choice but coexistence.
Turkey is a special case because it is a NATO ally. There is much we can do with Turkey when it comes to fighting ISIS, but the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, should understand that his support for the Muslim Brotherhood limits what we will do with him and necessarily isolates Turkey from its neighbors.
Third, America’s support for non-Islamist partners does not require surrendering our voice or supporting every domestic policy. We should press them on pluralism, minority rights and the rule of law.
The new fault line in the Middle East is a real opportunity for America. Yes, the United States will face challenges and have to manage tensions between our values and our interests. No strategy is free of risk, but joining with our natural partners offers the best way forward.
Dennis B. Ross, a counselor and fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, was the United States chief negotiator for the Arab-Israeli conflict from 1993 to 2001 and a special assistant to the president for the Middle East and South Asia from 2009 to 2011.
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you're right, all they've done so far is kill doctors, blow up abortion clinics, kill gay people, etc...
Imagine what the would do if our society broke down and they were convinced the End Times were here
::)
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All you can do is imagine and imagine you have.
well we can also look a back a the history of the Catholic Church that specialized in torturing people into confessing their "sins" and then burning them alive (no doubt for the good of their eternal soul)
Hopefully you're smart enough to understand that all I'm saying is that the fundamentalist religious wack job mindset is essentially the same regardless of the religion and obviously not everyone who subscribes would ever go to such extemes. But, given the right set of circumstances a certain amount of people in any religion would become extremists.
Also, much of the shit that ISIS/ISIL whatever is doing has nothing to do with islam and more to do with controlling people, territory and assets. Which again is not to say that they are not fundamentalist wackjobs to the core because they most certainly are.
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Christianity has had its share of dark times, but Islam has ALWAYS been slaughtering people from day one. It is fundamentally different with islam. Christianity's basic principle is to spead thru missionaries and peaceful methods; it is fundamentally nonviolent at its core. Those that used its name in violence did not represent true christianity. With islam, its fundamental principle is to spread it BY ANY MEAN NECESSARY. Forced conversion to islam, or death. Infidels are to be enslaved or slaughtered. This is why everywhere in the world where islam has spread, carnage and destruction inevitably follow
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Christianity has evolved more than Islam.
Maybe Islam will evolve as well.
Just give it a couple of thousand years.
Patience.
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LOL - yet libfaggets like yourself are silent when muslims kills gays like yourself en masse etc
I have actually spoken to liberal homosexuals who deny that muslims do behead homosexuals for no other reason than those homosexuals being gay... or those homosexuals somehow blame America or Bush for it. ::)
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I have actually spoken to liberal homosexuals who deny that muslims do behead homosexuals for no other reason than those homosexuals being gay... or those homosexuals somehow blame America or Bush for it. ::)
Book them a flight so they can see for themselves.
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LMFAO strawmans showing his ass in this thread....
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you're right, all they've done so far is kill doctors, blow up abortion clinics, kill gay people, etc...
Imagine what the would do if our society broke down and they were convinced the End Times were here
Sure, Christians have done such things. And I'm under no delusion that Christians could - and would - be just as violent and brutal than Muslims if their imaginary friend ordered them to fight a holy war. But... your argument is, to put it mildly, silly.
The fact is the percentage of Christians who do the things you describe is infinitesimally smaller than the percentage of Muslims who do similar things. You're comparing people who are outliers with people who are almost mainstream.
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Sure, Christians have done such things. And I'm under no delusion that Christians could - and would - be just as violent and brutal than Muslims if their imaginary friend ordered them to fight a holy war. But... your argument is, to put it mildly, silly.
The fact is the percentage of Christians who do the things you describe is infinitesimally smaller than the percentage of Muslims who do similar things. You're comparing people who are outliers with people who are almost mainstream.
LOL - so you agree with my premise but you just believe the the % of christians who would resort to such thing is "infinitesimally smaller than the percentage of Muslims who do similar things"
that's interesting
I don't remember providing any estimate of the #'s who would do such things
Since we agree on the basic premise can you tell me where I made any claims about the #'s of christians who would resort to such behaviour so that we can all I understand why am so "silly"
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LOL - so you agree with my premise but you just believe the the % of christians who would resort to such thing is "infinitesimally smaller than the percentage of Muslims who do similar things"
that's interesting
I don't remember providing any estimate of the #'s who would do such things
Since we agree on the basic premise can you tell me where I made any claims about the #'s of christians who would resort to such behaviour so that we can all I understand why am so "silly"
you do know there are christians, jews and other religions in the same region that the radical muslims are acting up right?
by your own guidelines they should be acting the same way as the muslims, why are they not?
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you do know there are christians, jews and other religions in the same region that the radical muslims are acting up right?
by your own guidelines they should be acting the same way as the muslims, why are they not?
why don't you restate what you think "my guidelines" are
try reading my posts on this thread first
I'm going to dinner
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LOL - so you agree with my premise but you just believe the the % of christians who would resort to such thing is "infinitesimally smaller than the percentage of Muslims who do similar things"
that's interesting
I don't remember providing any estimate of the #'s who would do such things
Since we agree on the basic premise can you tell me where I made any claims about the #'s of christians who would resort to such behaviour so that we can all I understand why am so "silly"
My point is that you can find crazy people who support just about any belief. Want crazy Christians? We got those. Want crazy Hindus? We got those too. Want crazy scientists? Head over to sector 7G. So judging any particular set of beliefs or ideas by the crazy people who share those beliefs or hold those ideas is pointless. What you must look at is the actions and words of the non-crazy people.
The fact is that even people who classify themselves are "moderate" Muslims aren't really all that moderate. They are not likely to do the kinds of things you described in your earlier post, but they are quick to defend those who do. And that is almost as bad.
Granted that this is anecdotal evidence but I've talked to people who I was acquainted with that were Mulsim and were very much non-violent, kind and polite people and asked them, in various ways and from all sorts of angles, whether they unequivocally condemned actions like the murder of Theo Van Gogh or suicide bombings. All but one waffled... "well, I don't approve of <action> but <half-baked explanation why action is sorta-kinda ok>." It was really rather shocking.
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why don't you restate what you think "my guidelines" are
try reading my posts on this thread first
I'm going to dinner
as I've said, if our society was broken down like it is in Syria and Iraq I don't think it would take too long for the Phil Robertsons of the world to pull out his bible (he said on Hannity he never leaves home without it) and start enforcing biblical law......as he sees it.
There are plenty of christians, jews etc in the middle east in the same region where there retards are beheading people.
Why are they not doing the same thing?
If christianity is essentially the same as islam why are the christians in the area not acting the same way the muslims are?
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My point is that you can find crazy people who support just about any belief. Want crazy Christians? We got those. Want crazy Hindus? We got those too. Want crazy scientists? Head over to sector 7G. So judging any particular set of beliefs or ideas by the crazy people who share those beliefs or hold those ideas is pointless. What you must look at is the actions and words of the non-crazy people.
The fact is that even people who classify themselves are "moderate" Muslims aren't really all that moderate. They are not likely to do the kinds of things you described in your earlier post, but they are quick to defend those who do. And that is almost as bad.
Granted that this is anecdotal evidence but I've talked to people who I was acquainted with that were Mulsim and were very much non-violent, kind and polite people and asked them, in various ways and from all sorts of angles, whether they unequivocally condemned actions like the murder of Theo Van Gogh or suicide bombings. All but one waffled... "well, I don't approve of <action> but <half-baked explanation why action is sorta-kinda ok>." It was really rather shocking.
I don't know what sector 7g refers to other than the Simpson. There may well be scientist would like to destroy the world. I don't know
All I've said is that if we had a breakdown of our society in this country that I can easily see a scenario where zealot christians would trying to invoke harsh biblical law as they see it. Again, we're talking about a group of people who truly believes the end of that armegeddon will happen in their lifetime and they even have a book they believe is the literal word of their god. That same book lists countless offenses to their god that are punishable by death. If I wanted to spend the time I'm sure I could find videos of christians on youtube talking about it or some other similar scenarios. I'm actually on vacation and don't really give a shit to spend the time
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I don't know what sector 7g refers to other than the Simpson. There may well be scientist would like to destroy the world. I don't know
All I've said is that if we had a breakdown of our society in this country that I can easily see a scenario where zealot christians would trying to invoke harsh biblical law as they see it. Again, we're talking about a group of people who truly believes the end of that armegeddon will happen in their lifetime and they even have a book they believe is the literal word of their god. That same book lists countless offenses to their god that are punishable by death. If I wanted to spend the time I'm sure I could find videos of christians on youtube talking about it or some other similar scenarios. I'm actually on vacation and don't really give a shit to spend the time
why have the christians in iraq and the rest of the middle east not succumb to the desire to behead others and kill indiscriminately?
are they not in the same shit hole situation?
why have the jews not? why have none of the other religions in that region done it?
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There are plenty of christians, jews etc in the middle east in the same region where there retards are beheading people.
Why are they not doing the same thing?
If christianity is essentially the same as islam why are the christians in the area not acting the same way the muslims are?
I told you to read my posts but obviously didn't and apparently not even the one you chose to quote
Since you're either lazy or stupid (or a generous serving of both) I'm only going to respond to you once.
first the difference
one is exists in society that has broken down and is in chaos and civil war
they both believe in the 2nd coming of Jesus and and a fight with the anti-christ
take the girl on the left (or Phil Robertson or any of hundreds of thousand if not millions of christians) and imagine the US society has broken down and in civil war and it wouldn't take very long for them to believe it's the End Times and that they have to prepare the earth for the return of Jesus and they would likely have no problem enforcing "biblical law" as they interpret it. Remind yourself how many things are punishable by death in the bible. Christianity is a doomsday cult patiently (and at times no so patiently) awaiting the end of the world.
For every Phil Robertson type willing to say this shit in public you've got 100 or a 1000 more saying the same shit in private
Take Missouri police officer Dan Page talking to the a chapter of the Oath Keepers
http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/08/ferguson-cop-dan-page-relishes-being-a-killer/
If our society broke down how long do you think it would take this guy to start killing people who didn't share his beliefs
I don't either one and neither do you
for all we know they are both models
you know exactly what I'm talking about so stop playing dumb
tell me what is different about Phil Robertson saying we should convert or kill Muslims as compared to Muslims saying they should convert or kill christians?
same mindset just a different religion
as I've said, if our society was broken down like it is in Syria and Iraq I don't think it would take too long for the Phil Robertsons of the world to pull out his bible (he said on Hannity he never leaves home without it) and start enforcing biblical law......as he sees it.
If you don't understand what I'm saying then there is no other way for me to explain it to you or at least it's not worth my time to try
As you can see (though obviously didn't understand) I said OUR SOCIETY
Are you really so stupid that you need me to explain why a microscopic religious minority in Iraq and Syria, that is either hiding or on the run in fear of their lives and most likely unarmed (we know ISIS disarmed civilians) is not beheading people?
Again, the best thing I can say to you is to learn to pay attention when reading. If you actually did read what I wrote then you're simply too stupid to waste my time with
The premise I've proposed is based on after OUR SOCIETY has broken down and I clearly pointed out that it would be Christians (who are the majority religion) who would now be emboldened to enforce harsh biblical law based on their belief in Armageddon as described in the book that they believe is written by their god....who by the way they expect to return at any moment to fight the anti-christ.
Again, I also pointed out the type of person who might take such actions. The Phil Robertsons of the world who has already gone public with his desires to convert or kill muslims.
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So its not so much the religion then is it?
its our society that is the problem
yes as you have already described them as a "death cult" why would they not be out doing the exact same thing? what do they care of death?
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Comparing the westboro church types, who number maybe a few thousand total and are pretty much harmless, to tens of millions of muslims who either condone or actively participate in extreme violence, massacres of entire towns, beheadings of children, mutilation of women (war on women ::)), bombings, crucifictions, ethnic and religious genocide on nationwide scales, is a bit of a stretch i think....::)
I don't think so. The only difference is the nutjobs at Westboro Baptist church didn't have the funding, support, ammunition, and guidance from governments willing to hopelessly indebt, and enslave their own citizens in order to fund them. The question I have is... why do ISIL members sport American home-made tattoos that read "United States Army"?
(http://www.charlesayoub.com/public/uploads/images/90585139300674200.jpg)
http://www.charlesayoub.com/more/799443 (http://www.charlesayoub.com/more/799443)
You might want to have your browser translate the stories, versus switching over to the sites English language version. When you do, you'll get an entirely different set of 'newsworthy' material to distract you from reality. Its as if someone, or some people purposely want to keep Americans ignorant about what's really going on in the world. Nah... couldn't be ::)
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I don't recall and Christians blowing themselves up, hijacking planes, taking down countries...beheading anybody on Utube etc....none. This argument is fucking stupid. You libs always always always do this...sorry guy but we're better then they are. America, the West, Christians, Jews...whatever. We're better. These people are animals.
You say that like you've never heard of 911, The Wall Street Fiasco, or Abu Ghraib.
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Explain the difference???? Seriously? What kind of leftist dipshit comes up with this stuff...
Im pretty sure the american girl isnt using that rifle to shoot people, nor does she condone and promote the beheading and slaughter of everyone on earth who doesnt share her religion ::)
Jesus fucking christ, no one on earth can be this dumb...
pssst: Phil Roberston, ...and I'm sure if you got enough liquor in her and let her talk,
...we'd get some real gems out of Sara Palin. ;D
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http://conservativetribune.com/actor-humiliates-obama/
Seriously?! :-\ Rob Lowe & Jon Voight? These are the ones used to bolster the argument?
A pissy pedophile who will probably indulge in more vain, narcissistic plastic surgery than Joan Rivers ever did,
...and a man whose own fiercely family oriented daughter refuses to even speak to him? This is the credibility?
Call me when George Clooney jumps ship. ::)
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I don't think so. The only difference is the nutjobs at Westboro Baptist church didn't have the funding, support, ammunition, and guidance from governments willing to hopelessly indebt, and enslave their own citizens in order to fund them. The question I have is... why do ISIL members sport American home-made tattoos that read "United States Army"?
(http://www.charlesayoub.com/public/uploads/images/90585139300674200.jpg)
It's so blatantly obvious that the image is photoshopped - and I don't mean the red circle and the magnification.
You might want to have your browser translate the stories, versus switching over to the sites English language version. When you do, you'll get an entirely different set of 'newsworthy' material to distract you from reality. Its as if someone, or some people purposely want to keep Americans ignorant about what's really going on in the world. Nah... couldn't be ::)
It's quite ironic that you of all people to talk about other people being ignorant. But I digress. Let's talk about Charles Ayoub, after whom the linked website with the photoshopped image is named. Ayoub has a clear and obvious bias and I wouldn't trust him anymore than I would trust a Bill O'Reilly or the crazy homeless person that hangs outside Starbucks. He has a penchant for repeating how "independent" and "sincere" he is, but words are cheap...
You say that like you've never heard of 911, The Wall Street Fiasco, or Abu Ghraib.
911 the emergency number, or 9/11 the day of a terrorist attack? In either case, how do either of those reflect negatively on the West and the US? Also, Wall Street Fiasco? What fiasco and how does it compare? As for Abu Ghraib - and I don't want to speak for headhuntersix - we have never claimed to be perfect. We have fucked up in the past, and when we do we should stand up, admit our fuckup and try to do better.
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It's so blatantly obvious that the image is photoshopped - and I don't mean the red circle and the magnification.
Oh... it's photo-shopped. Gotcha. ;)
It's quite ironic that you of all people to talk about other people being ignorant. But I digress. Let's talk about Charles Ayoub, after whom the linked website with the photoshopped image is named. Ayoub has a clear and obvious bias and I wouldn't trust him anymore than I would trust a Bill O'Reilly or the crazy homeless person that hangs outside Starbucks. He has a penchant for repeating how "independent" and "sincere" he is, but words are cheap...
911 the emergency number, or 9/11 the day of a terrorist attack? In either case, how do either of those reflect negatively on the West and the US? Also, Wall Street Fiasco? What fiasco and how does it compare? As for Abu Ghraib - and I don't want to speak for headhuntersix - we have never claimed to be perfect. We have fucked up in the past, and when we do we should stand up, admit our fuckup and try to do better.
I agree, ...so why has everyone gotten a collective case of Amnesia all of a sudden?
"We are better than them" Nobody is better than anybody... least of all we selfish, bloated, ignorant Westerners who by accident of birth, or luck of the draw happen to reside in a part of the world that affords us the luxury of not being consciously negatively impacted on a day-to-day basis by the spiritual wickedness in high places. I believe that is about to change, ...and if Karma is even half the BIYOTCH I think it is... it's not going to be pretty for many.
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Oh... it's photo-shopped. Gotcha. ;)
It's quite obvious - just look at it. But even if it wasn't, if the U.S. is behind ISIS, don't you think that the plan would include some Dermablend?
Seriously... what is it with you people and seeing conspiracies everywhere?
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It's quite obvious - just look at it. But even if it wasn't, if the U.S. is behind ISIS, don't you think that the plan would include some Dermablend?
Seriously... what is it with you people and seeing conspiracies everywhere?
It's called having opened eyes that can see clearly through the veil of BS. You should try it some time.
(http://www.techprone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/unzipped.png)
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It's called having opened eyes that can see clearly through the veil of BS. You should try it some time.
My eyes are quite open. Unlike you, however, my brain processes the visual stimuli and makes critical evaluations of the information that my eyes capture and I then consolidate all available data to reach rational conclusions.
You may want to try that sometime.
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My eyes are quite open. Unlike you, however, my brain processes the visual stimuli and makes critical evaluations of the information that my eyes capture and I then consolidate all available data to reach rational conclusions.
You may want to try that sometime.
Now if you're just gonna be a shit disturber, ...I'm not gonna buy you a drink in Vegas in November. :D
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It's called having opened eyes that can see clearly through the veil of BS. You should try it some time.
(http://www.techprone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/unzipped.png)
Your head is shoulder deep up your own ass. All you see is bullshit.
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Now if you're just gonna be a shit disturber, ...I'm not gonna buy you a drink in Vegas in November. :D
Let's skip the drink - how about you reply to the following threads that you started, warning us of imminent dangers:
- 72 Hour Red Flag Before US Martial Law (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=508692.0). It's now over 6,710 hours later. Is the coup d'état over and is it safe for us to come out again?
- BREAKING: Imminent Internet False Flag (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=529836.0). Five months later, and thanks to your and Alex's prescient warnings, we managed to make it through - it was touch and go for a second, but we made it.
So cut this schtick about how insightful you are and how you have open eyes and see clearly through BS, because the reality is that you basically go through life with your eyes closed and your brain disconnected, a'traipsing from one pile of bullshit to the next - from gas pills and warnings about martial law, to gold-by-the-gram MLM schemes and Internet False Flag warnings.
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Let's skip the drink - how about you reply to the following threads that you started, warning us of imminent dangers:
- 72 Hour Red Flag Before US Martial Law (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=508692.0). It's now over 6,710 hours later. Is the coup d'état over and is it safe for us to come out again?
- BREAKING: Imminent Internet False Flag (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=529836.0). Five months later, and thanks to your and Alex's prescient warnings, we managed to make it through - it was touch and go for a second, but we made it.
So cut this schtick about how insightful you are and how you have open eyes and see clearly through BS, because the reality is that you basically go through life with your eyes closed and your brain disconnected, a'traipsing from one pile of bullshit to the next - from gas pills and warnings about martial law, to gold-by-the-gram MLM schemes and Internet False Flag warnings.
she wont respond to this just like straw wont respond to this thread.
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Oh... it's photo-shopped. Gotcha. ;)
I agree, ...so why has everyone gotten a collective case of Amnesia all of a sudden?
"We are better than them" Nobody is better than anybody... least of all we selfish, bloated, ignorant Westerners who by accident of birth, or luck of the draw happen to reside in a part of the world that affords us the luxury of not being consciously negatively impacted on a day-to-day basis by the spiritual wickedness in high places. I believe that is about to change, ...and if Karma is even half the BIYOTCH I think it is... it's not going to be pretty for many.
You obviously don't know shit about the ME, they are a bunch of cowardly bastards who will sell their loyalty to the highest bidder. So yea we are "better" than them. If Karma really existed a tree would have fallen on you long ago and rid the world of your conspiratorial bullshit, and your asinine get rich quick schemes.
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LMFAO strawmans showing his ass in this thread....
Yep. Even funnier when you consider he's the biggest twat on this board crying about posting stuff not related to the thread topic.
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Let's skip the drink - how about you reply to the following threads that you started, warning us of imminent dangers:
- 72 Hour Red Flag Before US Martial Law (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=508692.0). It's now over 6,710 hours later. Is the coup d'état over and is it safe for us to come out again?
- BREAKING: Imminent Internet False Flag (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=529836.0). Five months later, and thanks to your and Alex's prescient warnings, we managed to make it through - it was touch and go for a second, but we made it.
I think you misunderstood the videos. It was not saying it would be 72 hours before Martial Law was declared, but that when the poop goes down, you will have 72 hours. Understand, I neither made those videos, nor did I title them
So cut this schtick about how insightful you are and how you have open eyes and see clearly through BS, because the reality is that you basically go through life with your eyes closed and your brain disconnected, a'traipsing from one pile of bullshit to the next - from gas pills and warnings about martial law, to gold-by-the-gram MLM schemes and Internet False Flag warnings.
That actually made me laugh. I don't know why, ...it just did. Actually I do know why, but I'll be polite and not say
Does it give you pleasure to try to be a bully on the internet? Does it make you feel superior?
btw: {pssst} It's not a MLM, it's e-Commerce, and you'll be able to take a real good look at it,
...up close & personal when we over run your town in November. Las Vegas is gonna blow up with our affiliates from over 120 countries.
And stop trying to change the subject. The President is correct.
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A bully? Because I call you out on your bullshit?
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I'm sure our fundies on this board will tell us that nutbags at the westboro baptist church aren't christians
Heck one of our moderators has a habit of telling us who are "real" christians and who aren't
You mean that Race Hate church?
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STRAW MAN is such a complete and utter wanker. I wonder if he believes his own BS?
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You mean that Race Hate church?
W 4 members
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Lmfao...straw and 24 getting brutally owned as usual :D
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why have the christians in iraq and the rest of the middle east not succumb to the desire to behead others and kill indiscriminately?
are they not in the same shit hole situation?
why have the jews not? why have none of the other religions in that region done it?
You've asked strawboy this question three times and he hasn't answered.
Obviously, the moron knows his wrong and will not admit it.
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she wont respond to this just like straw wont respond to this thread.
I responded to you dipshit. I just don't have time (or inclination, especially when I'm on vacation) to sit down and walk you through every thing little thing you can't understand. Especially when you can't even bother to read what I've written.
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You mean that Race Hate church?
no idea what you're referring to
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Yep. Even funnier when you consider he's the biggest twat on this board crying about posting stuff not related to the thread topic.
go back and read my first few posts again
I disagree with Obama that ISIL/ISIS is not islamic
I also believe that all violence/agression, etc.. that people justify with their interpretation of their religion is ....obviously based on their religion.
I'm not even going to bother to retype it
I agree that ISIL/ISIS whatever is most certainly islamic and I also think the the westboro baptist church is christian.
To deny either one is absurd. They are both using their religious beliefs to validate or justify their actions.
We have christians on this board who defend/justify violent acts against doctors who perform abortions.
We have christian terrorists such as Eric Rudolph. To pretend these people aren't christians is bullshit
We have a history of the catholic church committing horrific atrocities. They are christian too.
It's all the same across every religion. It's human beings using their religious beliefs to justify their actions.
It's all the same and it's too bad that politicians have to make these stupid comments to placate so called moderates of a certain religion rather than being honest the situation.
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You've asked strawboy this question three times and he hasn't answered.
Obviously, the moron knows his wrong and will not admit it.
scroll up dipshit
I answered it on the first post on page 4
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So its not so much the religion then is it?
its our society that is the problem
yes as you have already described them as a "death cult" why would they not be out doing the exact same thing? what do they care of death?
your question doesn't even make sense
it's not going to be the atheist that are going to feel compelled to enforce biblical law
it's not going to be the atheist that have a book that they believe is the word of their god that describes the end times and the showdown between their god and the anti-christ
It's not even going to be your moderate christian, catholic, etc..
It's going to be a certain segment of fundies who buy into that shit hook, line and sinker and in fact have been waiting for it to happen....because their book of jewish fairy tales told them so.
As to how the potential breakdown in our society happened, it could be a pandemic, war, severe lack of natural resource (food, water, etc..).
The point is that if such a breakdown of civil order did occur it would not take much for our fundies to believe that Armegeddon was near.
You can find people who believe this RIGHT NOW
This is why I don't waste my time with you (or at least why I shouldn't because clearly I'm doing it now)
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Posted on September 16, 2014 at 3:50:51 AM MST by markomalley
Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, tore apart President Obama’s claim that “ISIL is not Islamic,” calling Obama both the “excommunicator-in-chief” and “enabler-in-chief” for islamist groups. Jasser labeled Obama the “excommunicator-in-chief” for publicly declaring who is and isn’t ‘Islamic’ during his prime-time address on the Islamic State. Jasser argued the Islamic State is indeed ‘Islamic’ and is representative of the dangerous combination of religion and state in Islamic countries:
[The Islamist groups] want nothing more than to suppress the voices of reform. If you talk to reformers, they will tell you that the Islamic State in Iraq now, or out of Syria where it originated, is a clinic in exactly what happens in every one of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation states where you mix religion and state and prevent the reform that the West went through in the American Revolution.
Zuhdi called Obama an “apologist” for islamists across the planet, making him the “enabler-in-chief” for groups such as ISIL, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Hamas:
If you take away the word ‘Islam,’ you’re basically allowing the Islamists to monopolize and suffocate reformers from ever having a place at the table because they don’t want us to have a voice. And they do that by saying they control what is and what is not Islam.
Fox News host Megyn Kelly asked Jasser to elaborate on the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), citing a dispute that erupted online after her interview with CAIR representative Hassan Shibly–who compared Fox News to ISIL. “I hope americans understand CAIR is part of a global lobbying operation of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, an islamist movement that will do anything to prevent discussion about political Islam,” Jasser said. “They’re an offshoot of Hamas. they’ve come out of the Muslim Brotherhood legacy group. They don’t want Americans to make the logical conclusion that when the Muslim Brotherhood took over Egypt, the reason majority of Muslims rejected them is they were about to bring something similar to ISIS to the tens of millions of Egypt.”
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your question doesn't even make sense
it's not going to be the atheist that are going to feel compelled to enforce biblical law
it's not going to be the atheist that have a book that they believe is the word of their god that describes the end times and the showdown between their god and the anti-christ
It's not even going to be your moderate christian, catholic, etc..
It's going to be a certain segment of fundies who buy into that shit hook, line and sinker and in fact have been waiting for it to happen....because their book of jewish fairy tales told them so.
As to how the potential breakdown in our society happened, it could be a pandemic, war, severe lack of natural resource (food, water, etc..).
The point is that if such a breakdown of civil order did occur it would not take much for our fundies to believe that Armegeddon was near.
You can find people who believe this RIGHT NOW
This is why I don't waste my time with you (or at least why I shouldn't because clearly I'm doing it now)
You may be able to find christians who believe in all that apocalyptic nonsense but they aren't out beheading people. To suggest they would under the right circumstances is pure speculation.
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You may be able to find christians who believe in all that apocalyptic nonsense but they aren't out beheading people. To suggest they would under the right circumstances is pure speculation.
of course it's speculation
it can't be anything but that at this point and hopefully we'll never see whether I'm correct or not
just pointing out that we already have examples of fundies in this country committing violence in the name of their religion and we have people right now suggesting we either convert or kill muslims so the seeds are there.
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Oh, they are not islamic. ::)
Where did they get the idea that beheading "infidels" is honorable? Hmmm....
From the Koran:
47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
https://archive.org/details/TheLifeOfMohammedGuillaume
Ibn Ishaq in his word Sirat Rasul Allah available in the abridged edition of Ibn Hisham, and translated by A. Guillaume under the title The Life of Muhammad:
Then they surrendered, and the apostle confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.
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why have the christians in iraq and the rest of the middle east not succumb to the desire to behead others and kill indiscriminately?
are they not in the same shit hole situation?
why have the jews not? why have none of the other religions in that region done it?
You've asked strawboy this question three times and he hasn't answered.
Obviously, the moron knows his wrong and will not admit it.
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You've asked strawboy this question three times and he hasn't answered.
Obviously, the moron knows his wrong and will not admit it.
did you recently suffer a head injury or is this your normal level of stupid
scroll up dipshit
I answered it on the first post on page 4
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Posted on September 21, 2014 at 8:36:54 AM MST by jimbo123
Months after declaring an Islamic caliphate, Islamic State, which has seized large swaths of Syria and Iraq, is seeking to address a need of any viable nation: women.
In Internet posts and social media messaging, the extremist Sunni militants are recruiting women to marry their fighters and have children, part of a larger strategy of state-building.
"They are treating the Islamic State as a country that needs women," said Rita Katz, director of the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors online activity by militant organizations. "The message is: 'You are coming to marry someone immediately and have kids and cook.' They're building a state."
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
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IS Militants Kill 300 Iraqi Soldiers with Chlorine Gas
BasNews, Erbil ^ | Shwan Barzinji
Posted on 9/22/2014 11:20:22 AM by GonzoII
IS has used chlorine gas against Iraqi soldiers
News / World
IS Militants Kill 300 Iraqi Soldiers with Chlorine Gas
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BasNews, Erbil
Iraqi Member of Parliament Ali al-Bredi has claimed that Islamic State (IS) militants are using Chlorine gas against Iraqi soldiers in Fallujah.
In a press conference on Monday, al-Bredi revealed that IS have killed 300 Iraqi soldiers with chlorine gas.
He said that the militants deployed the gas in the Siqiliya area located of northern Fallujah, a city in Anbar province, about 70 km from the capital of Iraq, Baghdad.
“Responsibility for this lies with Iraqi PM Haidar Abadi and the commander of the forces in Anbar as they failed to rescue the soldiers,” said al-Bredi.
Expanding on the circumstances surrounding the attack, al-Bredi said, “After the insurgents surrounded the Iraqi soldiers, they used chlorine gas to suffocate them before detonating a car bomb, resulting in the death of 300 out of 400 soldiers.”
Al-Bredi also said that before the crime was committed, the soldiers asked for an urgent rescue mission, but were ignored.
Furthermore, on Sunday, US Secretary of State John Kerry also reiterated US concern over the use of chlorine gas against civilians in Syria and warned President Bashar al-Assad’s regime that it would be held to account.
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It sucks that these iraqi soldiers were killed with the gas.
But would ANY of us be happier if we had thousands of US troops on the ground, being hit with this gas instead? ???
it's a shit part of the world with a bunch of jerks killing each other. Maybe the best thing is to STEP BACK, target who we can when we can (without risking US lives) and let them waste each other?
Cause you'd better believe... with an insane 300 soldiers killed, they just lit a fire under the iraqi military, who will be kicking the fck out of ISIS now. They can do things we cannot... they know the people and the language. If I needed to find a bad guy(s) in iraq, I'd always choose a pissed off local (who will find him and cut his guts out) than try to send an american team in to risk their tails in a country where they know nobody.
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It sucks that these iraqi soldiers were killed with the gas.
But would ANY of us be happier if we had thousands of US troops on the ground, being hit with this gas instead? ???
it's a shit part of the world with a bunch of jerks killing each other. Maybe the best thing is to STEP BACK, target who we can when we can (without risking US lives) and let them waste each other?
Cause you'd better believe... with an insane 300 soldiers killed, they just lit a fire under the iraqi military, who will be kicking the fck out of ISIS now. They can do things we cannot... they know the people and the language. If I needed to find a bad guy(s) in iraq, I'd always choose a pissed off local (who will find him and cut his guts out) than try to send an american team in to risk their tails in a country where they know nobody.
agree that we should let all these worthless animals and savages kill each other off. Moooooooossllimmss are beyond help at this point
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agree that we should let all these worthless animals and savages kill each other off.
"repubs" on gebtig were screaming we need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back... or saying "airstrikes and special forces aren't enough".
Suddenly, i think it's showing to be a good strategy. IMAGINE if 250 brave Americans were killed yesterday in poison gas attacks from ISIS in Iraq. imagine the national tragedy, and imagine the repubs all smug saying "Obama shouldn't have put those troops in that position!"
so screw it, let them waste each other. Anyone who bitches we need boots on the ground - to fight toxic warfare between two groups of idiots - I invite them to go enlist and duke it out. Obama isn't putting our troops in the middle of a chemical weapons civil war, and I applaud him for it.
We DONT NEED to lose any lives over their bullshit. Let them kill each other, and drop JDAMS and MOABS on the winners of the battles lol. Keep our troops safe. Turning them loose on each other is brilliant.
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"repubs" on gebtig were screaming we need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back... or saying "airstrikes and special forces aren't enough".
Suddenly, i think it's showing to be a good strategy. IMAGINE if 250 brave Americans were killed yesterday in poison gas attacks from ISIS in Iraq. imagine the national tragedy, and imagine the repubs all smug saying "Obama shouldn't have put those troops in that position!"
so screw it, let them waste each other. Anyone who bitches we need boots on the ground - to fight toxic warfare between two groups of idiots - I invite them to go enlist and duke it out. Obama isn't putting our troops in the middle of a chemical weapons civil war, and I applaud him for it.
We DONT NEED to lose any lives over their bullshit. Let them kill each other, and drop JDAMS and MOABS on the winners of the battles lol. Keep our troops safe. Turning them loose on each other is brilliant.
This.
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"repubs" on gebtig were screaming we need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back... or saying "airstrikes and special forces aren't enough".
O Rly? Which "getbig" Republicans screamed about the need for 300,000 troops a few days ago? I've been out of the loop so I may have missed it.
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O Rly? Which "getbig" Republicans screamed about the need for 300,000 troops a few days ago? I've been out of the loop so I may have missed it.
Your buddy Soulcrusher (surprise) posted numerous posts about Obama not heading the advice of military advisers and putting boots on the ground.
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Your buddy Soulcrusher (surprise) posted numerous posts about Obama not heading the advice of military advisers and putting boots on the ground.
He "screamed" about the "need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back"? Link?
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He "screamed" about the "need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back"? Link?
He didnt "scream" thats pretty hard to do through a keyboard.
Also he didnt give any numbers he just complained that Obama didnt put troops on the ground like his military advisors suggested.
You want me to link to all his posts? Okay here is one (at the bottom):
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=549117.75
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He didnt "scream" thats pretty hard to do through a keyboard.
Also he didnt give any numbers he just complained that Obama didnt put troops on the ground like his military advisors suggested.
You want me to link to all his posts? Okay here is one (at the bottom):
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=549117.75
Why did you agree with a post that contains blatant misrepresentations?
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Why did you agree with a post that contains blatant misrepresentations?
What ???
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What ???
Go back and look at the post you agreed with.
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"repubs" on gebtig were screaming we need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back... or saying "airstrikes and special forces aren't enough".
Suddenly, i think it's showing to be a good strategy. IMAGINE if 250 brave Americans were killed yesterday in poison gas attacks from ISIS in Iraq. imagine the national tragedy, and imagine the repubs all smug saying "Obama shouldn't have put those troops in that position!"
so screw it, let them waste each other. Anyone who bitches we need boots on the ground - to fight toxic warfare between two groups of idiots - I invite them to go enlist and duke it out. Obama isn't putting our troops in the middle of a chemical weapons civil war, and I applaud him for it.
We DONT NEED to lose any lives over their bullshit. Let them kill each other, and drop JDAMS and MOABS on the winners of the battles lol. Keep our troops safe. Turning them loose on each other is brilliant.
This one?
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O Rly? Which "getbig" Republicans screamed about the need for 300,000 troops a few days ago? I've been out of the loop so I may have missed it.
LOL getting a little defensive? I wasn't talking about you. Coach has been saying we need boots on the ground. And we all know from Afghanistan and Iraq that the wildly successful missions are the ones where we have the enemy outnumbered 10 to 1. This was all explained on getbig and talked about in depth.
Once we established it was 20 to 31,000 ISIS to fight, we realized it'd be 300,000 of our guys to maintain this winning ratio in order to incur the least amount of loss/damage/casualties.
See, since "repubs" couldn't establish any kind of idea how many to send other than "Obama's wrong!", we had to use the 300,000 in its place. BB, you weren't in the argument, and you're not one of the "repubs" to which I was referring. I don't know your position on the ISIS bombings so I woudln't try to characterize it.
To be honest, I don't think I've heard 333386 shit on the bombings either. He's been pretty level headed about letting the generals do what they do, in order to rain fire on the bad guys, I believe.
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This one?
Yes.
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LOL getting a little defensive? I wasn't talking about you. Coach has been saying we need boots on the ground. And we all know from Afghanistan and Iraq that the wildly successful missions are the ones where we have the enemy outnumbered 10 to 1. This was all explained on getbig and talked about in depth.
Once we established it was 20 to 31,000 ISIS to fight, we realized it'd be 300,000 of our guys to maintain this winning ratio in order to incur the least amount of loss/damage/casualties.
See, since "repubs" couldn't establish any kind of idea how many to send other than "Obama's wrong!", we had to use the 300,000 in its place. BB, you weren't in the argument, and you're not one of the "repubs" to which I was referring. I don't know your position on the ISIS bombings so I woudln't try to characterize it.
To be honest, I don't think I've heard 333386 shit on the bombings either. He's been pretty level headed about letting the generals do what they do, in order to rain fire on the bad guys, I believe.
I know you were not talking about me Pinocchio. I wanted to know what other people on the board were "screaming" for "300,000" boots on the ground. I assumed you were lying again, but wanted to ask, in case I missed it. But I see I gave you too much credit.
Do you ever tell the truth?
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Yes.
Soul posted numerous postsabout how Obama didn't want to put boots on the ground 240 called him on it.
How is that a misinterpretation?
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Soul posted numerous postsabout how Obama didn't want to put boots on the ground 240 called him on it.
How is that a misinterpretation?
STFU - Obama is doing all he can to out Assad so Isis can take over. Only an idiot cant see that and that includes you.
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STFU - Obama is doing all he can to out Assad so Isis can take over. Only an idiot cant see that and that includes you.
Yup he is bombing ISIS to victory ::)
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Soul posted numerous postsabout how Obama didn't want to put boots on the ground 240 called him on it.
How is that a misinterpretation?
240 said numerous "getbig Republicans" "screamed" for "300,000" boots on the ground. That is a lie. You agreed with it.
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STFU - Obama is doing all he can to out Assad so Isis can take over. Only an idiot cant see that and that includes you.
Yes. Killing 120 ISIS (confirmed dead so far) and wrecking their fuel and weapons bases was obviously designed to make them stronger.
Also don't forget the Al-Q targets we also took out in Syria at the same time last night.
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240 said numerous "getbig Republicans" "screamed" for "300,000" boots on the ground. That is a lie. You agreed with it.
Repubs called for boots on the ground but refused to say how many. We know from the previous 2 wars that the 10-1 ratio is desired and effecting for meeting the goals without losses.
Since we know there are 31,000 ISIS, we'd need 310,000 to execute a war in a safe & effective manner for our troops. Unless you're saying repubs here wanted to go in under-manned for a successful war effort? Heck of an accusation, dude. Repubs don't want our troops overwhelmed by the enemy, and I resent that you'd accuse them of it.
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Repubs called for boots on the ground but refused to say how many. We know from the previous 2 wars that the 10-1 ratio is desired and effecting for meeting the goals without losses.
Since we know there are 31,000 ISIS, we'd need 310,000 to execute a war in a safe & effective manner for our troops. Unless you're saying repubs here wanted to go in under-manned for a successful war effort? Heck of an accusation, dude. Repubs don't want our troops overwhelmed by the enemy, and I resent that you'd accuse them of it.
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240 said numerous "getbig Republicans" "screamed" for "300,000" boots on the ground. That is a lie. You agreed with it.
SoulC, Coach and i believe Dario and Poly-something all posted so its definitely no lie.
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SoulC, Coach and i believe Dario and Poly-something all posted so its definitely no lie.
where did any general, poster, drunk whino, homeless Kenyan bum, whoever - other than 240 call for 300k troops
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Repubs called for boots on the ground but refused to say how many. We know from the previous 2 wars that the 10-1 ratio is desired and effecting for meeting the goals without losses.
Since we know there are 31,000 ISIS, we'd need 310,000 to execute a war in a safe & effective manner for our troops. Unless you're saying repubs here wanted to go in under-manned for a successful war effort? Heck of an accusation, dude. Repubs don't want our troops overwhelmed by the enemy, and I resent that you'd accuse them of it.
"repubs" on gebtig were screaming we need to send in 300,000 troops a few days back... or saying "airstrikes and special forces aren't enough".
Why did you lie?
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SoulC, Coach and i believe Dario and Poly-something all posted so its definitely no lie.
lol
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where did any general, poster, drunk whino, homeless Kenyan bum, whoever - other than 240 call for 300k troops
Only a call for troops i didnt see any numbers.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/?fb_ref=Default
BOOM - obamas BS blown to smitherines