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Anyone ever been? Amazing how '63 it still looks. Whole area is SO much smaller than I'd imagined.
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1) Last thing he saw.
2) Top right window.
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did you enjoy your stay?
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did you enjoy your stay?
This was the highlight, the rest was work. Moved my bro and his family.
But Texas was pretty, mostly. The people were friendly, but they take 9 year-olds' football WAY too seriously. I'll post what I'm talking about when I can.
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I have never been there, might have to put that on the bucket list. It`s like it hasn`t changed. Thanks for sharing the pic`s.
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I have never been there, might have to put that on the bucket list. It`s like it hasn`t changed. Thanks for sharing the pic`s.
It was an afterthought, but I'm so glad we went. It's absolutely fascinating. Only changes, it seems, are the monuments they've installed (grassy knoll) and a parking lot that's been added directly behind it.
Highly recommended.
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Anyone ever been? Amazing how '63 it still looks. Whole area is SO much smaller than I'd imagined.
Did you go thru the museum?
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This was the highlight, the rest was work. Moved my bro and his family.
But Texas was pretty, mostly. The people were friendly, but they take 9 year-olds' football WAY too seriously. I'll post what I'm talking about when I can.
This is where young boys play football in Texas. They charge you to watch them play. Coaches SCREAM at these kids like BUD/S Hell Week; and, of course, parents start fights after the game (all black vs. all white, in this case). They are OBSESSED with this shit, zero exaggeration.
Nine fucking years-old.
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Did you go thru the museum?
Tried, but line was way too long, and we had to hit the road. When I found out the 6th floor was off limits, I kinda lost interest anyway. What did I miss?
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I've been there a handful of times , most recently at the 50th anniversary last nov
When I first moved to dallas I took the tour and got up to the 6th floor where the assassination took place, don't know if they closed it off or if it's off limits now
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is the original grassy knoll still there or no?
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This is where young boys play football in Texas. They charge you to watch them play. Coaches SCREAM at these kids like BUD/S Hell Week; and, of course, parents start fights after the game (all black vs. all white, in this case). They are OBSESSED with this shit, zero exaggeration.
Nine fucking years-old.
Alot of times they'll hold their kid back a year in grade school so they can have a better prime Junior/Senior year in high school football.
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This is where young boys play football in Texas. They charge you to watch them play. Coaches SCREAM at these kids like BUD/S Hell Week; and, of course, parents start fights after the game (all black vs. all white, in this case). They are OBSESSED with this shit, zero exaggeration.
Nine fucking years-old.
Welcome to Texas.
I enjoyed the 3 years i lived there.
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is the original grassy knoll still there or no?
Second pic from top.
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(http://hugelolcdn.com/i/129381.gif)
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I've been there a handful of times , most recently at the 50th anniversary last nov
When I first moved to dallas I took the tour and got up to the 6th floor where the assassination took place, don't know if they closed it off or if it's off limits now
He said he was just a patsy.
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I'm reading the Stephen king book bout JFK (kinda bout JFK) now
I suggest it to ANY Am history fan
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One element of the conspiracy arsenal that should immediately disappear is the target distance. He could have dropped a water balloon on his head for that first shot; and the head shot couldn't have been more than maybe 100 yards or so.
But keep on with the rest, by all means.
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So WHO do youthink killed him?
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He said he was just a patsy.
Really?
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So WHO do youthink killed him?
Ok, now, prepare yourself: Oswald.
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Ok, now, prepare yourself: Oswald.
i don't agree
i don't have the answers
but i really do believe that there were multiple shooters
and there was no GPR on oswald
amongst various other things
he was in on the plan
he was the smoke screen
and the best one EVER
because nobody expected him to be killed before he could speak
especially not those who used him
(i don't know who. it will come out though one day).
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Look a dead horse, let's beat it deader :-\
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Oswald = patsy
The final headshot came from the Grassy Knoll area. Shot came from the front right. There were most likely more than one gunman. Anyone who believes the "official" story/report is not a critical thinker.
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Oswald = patsy
The final headshot came from the Grassy Knoll area. Shot came from the front right. There were most likely more than one gunman. Anyone who believes the "official" story/report is not a critical thinker.
well put
i am NOT a conspiracy theorist
for example
9/11? the towers were built to fall down like that. in a spiral structure. no conpsiracy
newtown shootings etc ? don't be insulting to those poor families. jesus. the government did NOT make that up. you guys are nuts who think so
i don't believe in really ANY conspiracy theory
EXCEPT JFK's assasination
because critical thinking and a LOT of reading (i was a history minor in undergrad i am very interested in this purview) has led me to KNOW that Oswald was a SMOKESCREEN/PATSY
and multiple shots were fired
from autopsy I believe the FATAL shot came from grassy knoll area. And tha fact that SO many witnesses saw the two men behind there who then left and that fucking lady standing there with the head scarf who the CIA has been looking for since the day it happened and appears to be the woman "directing" the show
none of the above is CONFIRMED obviously
but I know fucking oswald didn't shoot JFK... he had no GPR on him AND the angle doesn't add up. AND the gun wasn't fucking fired.
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Tried, but line was way too long, and we had to hit the road. When I found out the 6th floor was off limits, I kinda lost interest anyway. What did I miss?
I wonder why it was closed ??? I don't recall there being long lines and I'm pretty sure it was a weekend. Being up there gives you a good perspective and makes it pretty clear Oswald was likely not the only shooter.
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I wonder why it was closed ??? I don't recall there being long lines and I'm pretty sure it was a weekend. Being up there gives you a good perspective and makes it pretty clear Oswald was likely not the only shooter.
I thought I heard someone say it was occupied. Seems crazy they'd use it for business when it holds so much historical value.
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i don't agree
i don't have the answers
but i really do believe that there were multiple shooters
and there was no GPR on oswald
amongst various other things
he was in on the plan
he was the smoke screen
and the best one EVER
because nobody expected him to be killed before he could speak
especially not those who used him
(i don't know who. it will come out though one day).
I don't care. Everything's already been debated to death on the subject. Just wanted to share my pics.
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I don't care. Everything's already been debated to death on the subject. Just wanted to share my pics.
I feel you
It has
Thanks for pics tho that's cool
I wanna visit
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well put
i am NOT a conspiracy theorist
for example
9/11? the towers were built to fall down like that. in a spiral structure. no conpsiracy
newtown shootings etc ? don't be insulting to those poor families. jesus. the government did NOT make that up. you guys are nuts who think so
i don't believe in really ANY conspiracy theory
EXCEPT JFK's assasination
because critical thinking and a LOT of reading (i was a history minor in undergrad i am very interested in this purview) has led me to KNOW that Oswald was a SMOKESCREEN/PATSY
and multiple shots were fired
from autopsy I believe the FATAL shot came from grassy knoll area. And tha fact that SO many witnesses saw the two men behind there who then left and that fucking lady standing there with the head scarf who the CIA has been looking for since the day it happened and appears to be the woman "directing" the show
none of the above is CONFIRMED obviously
but I know fucking oswald didn't shoot JFK... he had no GPR on him AND the angle doesn't add up. AND the gun wasn't fucking fired.
The term "conspiracy theorist" is a specific term/language used to demean and discredit someone who questions authority. You should ALWAYS question government and authority... it keeps them honest.
Was WTC7 built to collapse like this too?
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The term "conspiracy theorist" is a specific term/language used to demean and discredit someone who questions authority. You should ALWAYS question government and authority... it keeps them honest.
Was WTC7 built to collapse like this too?
And this defense is a common statement used as an attempt to restore said credit. Works both ways, friend.
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Second pic from top.
ok cool,thanks
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Oswald = patsy
The final headshot came from the Grassy Knoll area. Shot came from the front right. There were most likely more than one gunman. Anyone who believes the "official" story/report is not a critical thinker.
my 8th grade teacher was a investigator on the JFK assasination and he wrote books on it,he was threated multiple times be CIA to back off and hes been shot at to try to scare him. if u see his evidence u would clearly see there where more shooters than just lee harvey. it was the CIA PERIOD
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my 8th grade teacher was a investigator on the JFK assasination and he wrote books on it,he was threated multiple times be CIA to back off and hes been shot at to try to scare him. if u see his evidence u would clearly see there where more shooters than just lee harvey. it was the CIA PERIOD
I believe he was set to try and dismantle the fed reserve.
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And this defense is a common statement used as an attempt to restore said credit. Works both ways, friend.
But no comment from you on this building falling straight down... not surprised.
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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=222556
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=254176
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=279669
Every single conspiracy theory of how it wasnt Oswald is thouroughly dealt with here.
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But no comment from you on this building falling straight down... not surprised.
I dont discount conspiracies... my problem is everone screaming "the building didnt fall right!!!" Has no clue what theyre talking about.
I dont either. Unless youre a structural engineer or someone who actually deals with strucutal failures on a regular basis, we have no business claiming anything because we're talking out of our ass.
We dont know how a building is going to collapse, and just because it doesnt collapse the way we think it should is no proof that it was fake.
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I dont discount conspiracies... my problem is everone screaming "the building didnt fall right!!!" Has no clue what theyre talking about.
I dont either. Unless youre a structural engineer or someone who actually deals with strucutal failures on a regular basis, we have no business claiming anything because we're talking out of our ass.
We dont know how a building is going to collapse, and just because it doesnt collapse the way we think it should is no proof that it was fake.
http://www.debunking911.com/
http://forums.randi.org/local_links.php?catid=18
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http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=222556
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=254176
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=279669
Every single conspiracy theory of how it wasnt Oswald is thouroughly dealt with here.
The Zapruder film clearly shows the shot hit JFK in the front right part of his head, not in the back of his head like the "official" Warren report claims.
Strange how people can't even believe their own eyes.
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The Zapruder film clearly shows the shot hit JFK in the front right part of his head, not in the back of his head like the "official" Warren report claims.
Strange how people can't even believe their own eyes.
Thats what everyone thinks who dont understand balistics.
Read the threads.
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http://www.debunking911.com/
Please try and debunk these thousands of architects and engineers...
http://www.ae911truth.org/ (http://www.ae911truth.org/)
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Thats what everyone thinks who dont understand balistics.
Read the threads.
I've been shooting for 25 years. I understand believe me.
You are too funny.
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Please try and debunk these thousands of architects and engineers...
http://www.ae911truth.org/ (http://www.ae911truth.org/)
OK Mr Anabolic, in one sentence how were the buildings brought down?
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Oswald = patsy
The final headshot came from the Grassy Knoll area. Shot came from the front right. There were most likely more than one gunman. Anyone who believes the "official" story/report is not a critical thinker.
That was the exit wound, the right front. Exit wounds are bigger and messier than entry wounds.
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OK Mr Anabolic, in one sentence how were the buildings brought down?
Controlled demolition.
You're in denial bud. Read that website.
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I've been shooting for 25 years. I understand believe me.
You are too funny.
Have you ever hit anything?
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Controlled demolition.
You're in denial bud. Read that website.
Yep, thats what I thought.
I suppose you can explain when all these charges were put in the walls and columns of the building and by who and how long it took themn and how not one of the workforce has spoken about it in all the years since, not one deathbed confession, not one drunken conversation, not one attack of conscience?
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That was the exit wound, the right front. Exit wounds are bigger and messier than entry wounds.
His head/body moved back and to the left when he's hit. That kill shot came from the front right.
If he been hit from behind, his head would have moved forward at the point of impact.
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Yep, thats what I thought.
I suppose you can explain when all these charges were put in the walls and columns of the building and by who and how long it took themn and how not one of the workforce has spoken about it in all the years since, not one deathbed confession, not one drunken conversation, not one attack of conscience?
Arguing with me will not solve your dilemma, you need to open your mind, examine ALL the evidence and re-evaluate it for yourself. You clearly have not done this.
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Arguing with me will not solve your dilemma, you need to open your mind, examine ALL the evidence and re-evaluate it for yourself. You clearly have not done this.
So rather than explain your own reasoning and how you came to your conclusion you want me to go and look for the evidence.
Thats a standard response from your ilk.
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Arguing with me will not solve your dilemma, you need to open your mind, examine ALL the evidence and re-evaluate it for yourself. You clearly have not done this.
The problem is youve closed your mind to anything that supports the official stories.
Thats what im seeing.
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Have you ever hit anything?
Ad homonyms will not work with me.
Your mind is closed tight.... it's not your fault.
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His head/body moved back and to the left when he's hit. That kill shot came from the front right.
If he been hit from behind, his head would have moved forward at the point of impact.
I thought you said you understood balistics?
Jeez, you havent even examined the basics.
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Ad homonyms will not work with me.
Your mind is closed tight.... it's not your fault.
I suppose I am a "sheeple" as well. ::)
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The problem is youve closed your mind to anything that supports the official stories.
Thats what im seeing.
I used to believe the official story until I examined everything. There are way too many inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.
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I used to believe the official story until I examined everything started trawling conspircay sites and realised I could look clever by doubting the official story like I was one of a select few who had worked out the scam. There are way too many inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.
fixed
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I suppose I am a "sheeple" as well. ::)
I'm done with you. You are indeed simple.
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Even when the 6th floor is open to the public, you`re unable to actually look out of the window and grasp a good perspective of the dimensions of the assassination...... Itīs all roped off.
Kind of disappointing... :(
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Warren Commission is a joke.
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I'm reading the Stephen king book bout JFK (kinda bout JFK) now
I suggest it to ANY Am history fan
11/22/63 .
I enjoyed that book too, I liked the audiobook version too. The voices all seemed to fit with the blending of fiction and non-fiction that takes place in it.
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I dont discount conspiracies... my problem is everone screaming "the building didnt fall right!!!" Has no clue what theyre talking about.
I dont either. Unless youre a structural engineer or someone who actually deals with strucutal failures on a regular basis, we have no business claiming anything because we're talking out of our ass.
We dont know how a building is going to collapse, and just because it doesnt collapse the way we think it should is no proof that it was fake.
I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time. I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them. Twice! Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.
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I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time. I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them. Twice! Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.
Then explain how it was brought down then, if what you say isnt likely the case.
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Then explain how it was brought down then, if what you say isnt likely the case.
Did what I said not make sense? Love to argue about it but today is leg day.
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Did what I said not make sense? Love to argue about it but today is leg day.
The buildings fell in their own footprint, it happened, we all saw it happen, now you are saying it shouldn't have happened like that yet give no alternatives apart from it isn't likely?
Likely or not, it happened.
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I'm no engineer but I have worked in industrial construction all my life so I know how buildings are built. For something to come straight down all supporting beams have to fail at precisely the same time. I could see that it might happen of a few floors but it happen on 110 of them. Twice! Even professional engineers and architects are questioning this.
Questioning it is fine, but id like to see legitimate explanation for how that could have occured, and a legitimate explanation for the logistics it took to actually implement the situation without anyone noticing.
Id be a lot more open to this one if there was a plausible way for them to set up a controlled demo without anyone being the wiser.
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Questioning it is fine, but id like to see legitimate explanation for how that could have occured, and a legitimate explanation for the logistics it took to actually implement the situation without anyone noticing.
Id be a lot more open to this one if there was a plausible way for them to set up a controlled demo without anyone being the wiser.
Exactly
The woo fantasists always avoid giving you an explanation of how this occurred.
Occams razor isnt in their vocabulary.
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11/22/63 .
I enjoyed that book too, I liked the audiobook version too. The voices all seemed to fit with the blending of fiction and non-fiction that takes place in it.
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i just got into audio books actually
i have a pretty good (stock) stereo system in my saab and it sounds really nice (the spoken word of the poe audio books i have)
been listening to a classic book in it lately when music pisses me off (an old collection of edgar allen poe books)
as an aside, i'm an avid reader and don't like trash. i believe stephen king has NOT gotten the credit he deserves due to being a volume writer. one day he absolutely will. and it won't be post humous. because general concensus on him has already gone from "OK" (undeservadly and naively low) to "american great" (in writerly purviews and critical thinking circles). however, he STILL gets bashed by the naive.
i am more prone to bash shakespeare, while the average american couldn't do that because (a) they haven't read him and (b) they have heard he is one of the greats.
i happen to dislike shakespeare and i find him both pompous and despite his originality for his time, he fell into a TIMELESS series of tropes.. in other words his originality, despite being one of the ORIGINALS, wasn't very idiosyncratic if you look at it from a zoomed out, historical view; from his day to now.
to get to the point, i really suggest reading or listening to the audio book of stephen king's 11/22/63
it's fantastic so far and i have about 100 pages left. such an interesting read
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But no comment from you on this building falling straight down... not surprised.
Already addressed.
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Already addressed.
I agree with TU
He wanted t share photos
And I was happy to see them
He's clearly smart enough to rise above beating this dead horse alive again
What can we uncover????
Only plays on semantics
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I agree with TU
He wanted t share photos
And I was happy to see them
He's clearly smart enough to rise above beating this dead horse alive again
What can we uncover????
Only plays on semantics
I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.
Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.
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I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.
Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.
Interesting--my dad is a multiple shooter theorist too but he isn't intense about it.
He just thought the distance was too far
I think the media made too many implications
It
Is very possible Oswald did it obviously
I don't know anything special
And I don't like to waste energy
Conspiracy theorists are always extremists
It's black or white
And it
Is sometimes in life and love and ... Then you realize there's always a second perspective that is not yours (at least a second)
But we never heard the second perspective here (oswald's)
So the case is essentially black
And white to me
But not in an extremist way
It simply is
As it is
Oswald was the prime
Suspect with Cuban links and a low
IQ
And there was enough evidence that he was the shooter
Before he could give his perspective and be tried
He was killed
That is all
It
Is to me.
I enjoy history
Not revisionist history
And all history is grey because we only have perspectives full of confirmation biases and different view points (literally; angles)
So
Grey
Is black and white
Is real
Is a straight fine and blurred line
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I will add this. My pop is a grassy knoll/second shooter guy, and when he saw the actual distance (6th floor to Elm), right away it was, "Shit, I coulda hit that." It's pretty fucken close.
Of course, it doesn't address all the other fun stuff folks love to debate about that day.
Dude (Oswald) was a Marine as well, and we had/have some pretty decent marksmanship training. Some of the best in the world, actually. (Advanced marksmanship training, Marine sniper school is one of the best in the world apparently)
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Dude was a Marine as well, and we had/have some pretty decent marksmanship training. Some of the best in the world, actually.
Yeah he was
He was from
What I read trained with the
Gun he had
He also had a low
IQ
But really.... He very well could (and 99% is) the shooter
There were a few shots sure
But that doesn't mean they
Weren't from his rifle
And I just looked this up....
The distance from
That window to
The car
Is really not long
Thanks TU for pointing that out
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Really?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=550538.0;attach=579028;image)
LOL @ the band played on.
I'd be using that 6-string a a weapon, knocking down every woman and child I could find until my ass was warm and cozy in that life boat. Billy Zane approved.
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Interesting--my dad is a multiple shooter theorist too but he isn't intense about it.
He just thought the distance was too far
I think the media made too many implications
It
Is very possible Oswald did it obviously
I don't know anything special
And I don't like to waste energy
Conspiracy theorists are always extremists
It's black or white
And it
Is sometimes in life and love and ... Then you realize there's always a second perspective that is not yours (at least a second)
But we never heard the second perspective here (oswald's)
So the case is essentially black
And white to me
But not in an extremist way
It simply is
As it is
Oswald was the prime
Suspect with Cuban links and a low
IQ
And there was enough evidence that he was the shooter
Before he could give his perspective and be tried
He was killed
That is all
It
Is to me.
I enjoy history
Not revisionist history
And all history is grey because we only have perspectives full of confirmation biases and different view points (literally; angles)
So
Grey
Is black and white
Is real
Is a straight fine and blurred line
According to most historians (I wasn't alive at the time), this is when the conspiracy talk began.
Most of the peculiarities and whatnot have been reasonably explained to my satisfaction (No, not just the Warren Commission, c'mon), but I'm not obsessed with it either way.
Still a couple of oddities: Why does Kennedy grab his throat if the bullet entered the back of his neck? Wouldn't the pain be more intense at entry? (Probably explainable, just came to mind.) Also, 'back and to the left,' but, again, forensic experts say it happens.
I really enjoyed Mark Fuhrman's book on it. Investigated it as a detective would; evidence, piece by piece.
Guess I just did what I said I wouldn't. Oops.
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LOL @ the band played on.
I'd be using that 6-string a a weapon, knocking down every woman and child I could find until my ass was warm and cozy in that life boat. Billy Zane approved.
Ballsiest trio in the history of stringed music.
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So wish we had access.
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(http://myamericanodyssey.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Assassins_Perch-11.jpg)
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I took my depository pic from just below that top arrow up there, standing on the grass. I swear I coulda hit Oswald with a rock from there.
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Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing the photos, I've gotta make it out there myself some time.
Really, the biggest issue I have with most conspiracy theories is that it would be impossible for so many people to remain silent. Faking the moon landing or faking 9/11 would involve hundreds, if not thousands of people--and to expect that they stay quiet? Seems less likely than the possibility that we DID land on the moon or that flying 2 commercial airliners into a skyscraper WOULD cause it to collapse.
Now on the flipside, how many people would it take to orchestrate the assassination of a president secretly? Maybe 5-10? That seems a lot more likely, although I've never really heard a motive that made sense for killing JFK. Who knows....it's all fun to think about and discuss, though
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Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing the photos, I've gotta make it out there myself some time.
Really, the biggest issue I have with most conspiracy theories is that it would be impossible for so many people to remain silent. Faking the moon landing or faking 9/11 would involve hundreds, if not thousands of people--and to expect that they stay quiet? Seems less likely than the possibility that we DID land on the moon or that flying 2 commercial airliners into a skyscraper WOULD cause it to collapse.
Now on the flipside, how many people would it take to orchestrate the assassination of a president secretly? Maybe 5-10? That seems a lot more likely, although I've never really heard a motive that made sense for killing JFK. Who knows....it's all fun to think about and discuss, though
Excellent post, I totally agree. Also, CTs willingly ignore indisputable facts. They focus on a few trees, dismissing the forest.
Agree on JFK, too. That'd be the one they maybe could have pulled off. But the evidence would still have to support it.
Even the small ones, the real shit, like Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman, those "conspiracies" were exposed shortly after. Facts didn't support the story, and people talked. And that was the tight-lipped military. How do you keep it secret, then, on such a grand (public) scale? Defies reason.
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According to most historians (I wasn't alive at the time), this is when the conspiracy talk began.
Most of the peculiarities and whatnot have been reasonably explained to my satisfaction (No, not just the Warren Commission, c'mon), but I'm not obsessed with it either way.
Still a couple of oddities: Why does Kennedy grab his throat if the bullet entered the back of his neck? Wouldn't the pain be more intense at entry? (Probably explainable, just came to mind.) Also, 'back and to the left,' but, again, forensic experts say it happens.
I really enjoyed Mark Fuhrman's book on it. Investigated it as a detective would; evidence, piece by piece.
Guess I just did what I said I wouldn't. Oops.
That makes sense
Conspiracy theories are usually birthed from silence
Or transparency
Everybody wants a perspective
My point is, the photos you shared are REALLY cool to me (as well as the shot NAILS posted--is that your photo TU? From the window Oswald shot from??? That's interesting as hell).
OK I do have a response though on why Kennedy grabbed his throat
I'll unfortunately answer the question with a question: If a man is shot through his back with a high powered .22 bullet from a relatively short range (or any bullet really excluding a hand gun, because i have actually been grazed by an errant handgun shot and it wasn't bad. It wasn't a puncture wound and it wasn't a a skin graze. It took out a little bit of my flesh/muscle from my hip to the side of my ventro glute because my idiot friend accidentally shot me in the woods when i was 16. I don't need to get into that further. But I DID grab the spot and it DIDN'T make me fall down at all. Would I have done the same if I was shot with a shot gun through the chest? I don't think so. I think I would have acted sporadically. Perhaps your hands go up when you die... PErhaps kennedy wasn't aware of his actions after suffering a .22 through his back. There is also the idea out there that Kennedy did not grab his throat, that he was in the throes of death so to speak and he raised his arms as many do as an involuntary action when they are on the verge of death).
So my question is, what would Kennedy to after suffering this kind of shot? He can't reach his back. IF he really is going for his throat and not in the involuntary throes of death, is that fuel for conpsiracy theorists OR is the logical answer he is reacting not acting. He is dying. None of us have been there, precisely. Some have been to the edge. I went to the edge once. None of us who have been there remember it. Which cements my point. Kennedy doesn't know what he's doing there when he goes for his throat.
Also, I believe Oswald's first shot (if he was the sole shooter) was just a misfire that hit the street, not the death wound. The little girl stops and looks up at teh building. He had an itchy trigger finger. He let loose when he was getting a gauge of the vehicle and doinga proper trail with the .22 to ready his shot. He accidentally hit the trigger.
This means when he DID hit kennedy it was in Panic on the subsequent shot. Which means Oswald had a good shot. And bad nerves.
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10 characteristics of conspiracy theorists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes
1. Arrogance. They are always fact-seekers, questioners, people who are trying to discover the truth: sceptics are always "sheep", patsies for Messrs Bush and Blair etc.
2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about a conspiracy no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simply discredited. (Moreover, as per 1. above, even if you listen to them ninety-eight times, the ninety-ninth time, when you say "no thanks", you'll be called a "sheep" again.) Additionally, they have no capacity for precis whatsoever. They go on and on at enormous length.
3. Inability to answer questions. For people who loudly advertise their determination to the principle of questioning everything, they're pretty poor at answering direct questions from sceptics about the claims that they make.
4. Fondness for certain stock phrases. These include Cicero's "cui bono?" (of which it can be said that Cicero understood the importance of having evidence to back it up) and Conan Doyle's "once we have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however unlikely, must be the truth". What these phrases have in common is that they are attempts to absolve themselves from any responsibility to produce positive, hard evidence themselves: you simply "eliminate the impossible" (i.e. say the official account can't stand scrutiny) which means that the wild allegation of your choice, based on "cui bono?" (which is always the government) is therefore the truth.
5. Inability to employ or understand Occam's Razor. Aided by the principle in 4. above, conspiracy theorists never notice that the small inconsistencies in the accounts which they reject are dwarfed by the enormous, gaping holes in logic, likelihood and evidence in any alternative account.
6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Conspiracy theorists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for the respectability of sources. The fact that a claim has been made by anybody, anywhere, is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that the questions it raises be answered, as if intellectual enquiry were a matter of responding to every rumour. While they do this, of course, they will claim to have "open minds" and abuse the sceptics for apparently lacking same.
7. Inability to withdraw. It's a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by "swamping" - piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.
8. Leaping to conclusions. Conspiracy theorists are very keen indeed to declare the "official" account totally discredited without having remotely enough cause so to do. Of course this enables them to wheel on the Conan Doyle quote as in 4. above. Small inconsistencies in the account of an event, small unanswered questions, small problems in timing of differences in procedure from previous events of the same kind are all more than adequate to declare the "official" account clearly and definitively discredited. It goes without saying that it is not necessary to prove that these inconsistencies are either relevant, or that they even definitely exist.
9. Using previous conspiracies as evidence to support their claims. This argument invokes scandals like the Birmingham Six, the Bologna station bombings, the Zinoviev letter and so on in order to try and demonstrate that their conspiracy theory should be accorded some weight (because it's happened before.) They do not pause to reflect that the conspiracies they are touting are almost always far more unlikely and complicated than the real-life conspiracies with which they make comparison, or that the fact that something might potentially happen does not, in and of itself, make it anything other than extremely unlikely.
10. It's always a conspiracy. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they are people entirely lacking in discrimination. They cannot tell a good theory from a bad one, they cannot tell good evidence from bad evidence and they cannot tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always come up with the same answer when they ask the same question.
A person who always says the same thing, and says it over and over again is, of course, commonly considered to be, if not a monomaniac, then at very least, a bore.
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That's exactly why I'm enjoying this rare discourse on this subject now with TU and others
Thanks for that post tho
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Never seen that. Hits the mark 100% however
Especially re: arrogance and pointing out minor
Inconsistencies in "factual" account of event then hypocritically ignoring the glaring logical
Holes in their own far strung theories
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That's exactly why I'm enjoying this rare discourse on this subject now with TU and others
Thanks for that post tho
SS
Never seen that. Hits the mark 100% however
Especially re: arrogance and pointing out minor
Inconsistencies in "factual" account of event then hypocritically ignoring the glaring logical
Holes in their own far strung theories
You get them every time by asking them to explain in their own words what they believe happened.
They either instantly fold or at best give a tinpot theory that doesn't hold up under one simple question.
Then they definitely fold.
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JFK time is filter time - rethink the way you fuel your loved ones.
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That makes sense
Conspiracy theories are usually birthed from silence
Or transparency
Everybody wants a perspective
My point is, the photos you shared are REALLY cool to me (as well as the shot NAILS posted--is that your photo TU? From the window Oswald shot from??? That's interesting as hell).
OK I do have a response though on why Kennedy grabbed his throat
I'll unfortunately answer the question with a question: If a man is shot through his back with a high powered .22 bullet from a relatively short range (or any bullet really excluding a hand gun, because i have actually been grazed by an errant handgun shot and it wasn't bad. It wasn't a puncture wound and it wasn't a a skin graze. It took out a little bit of my flesh/muscle from my hip to the side of my ventro glute because my idiot friend accidentally shot me in the woods when i was 16. I don't need to get into that further. But I DID grab the spot and it DIDN'T make me fall down at all. Would I have done the same if I was shot with a shot gun through the chest? I don't think so. I think I would have acted sporadically. Perhaps your hands go up when you die... PErhaps kennedy wasn't aware of his actions after suffering a .22 through his back. There is also the idea out there that Kennedy did not grab his throat, that he was in the throes of death so to speak and he raised his arms as many do as an involuntary action when they are on the verge of death).
So my question is, what would Kennedy to after suffering this kind of shot? He can't reach his back. IF he really is going for his throat and not in the involuntary throes of death, is that fuel for conpsiracy theorists OR is the logical answer he is reacting not acting. He is dying. None of us have been there, precisely. Some have been to the edge. I went to the edge once. None of us who have been there remember it. Which cements my point. Kennedy doesn't know what he's doing there when he goes for his throat.
Also, I believe Oswald's first shot (if he was the sole shooter) was just a misfire that hit the street, not the death wound. The little girl stops and looks up at teh building. He had an itchy trigger finger. He let loose when he was getting a gauge of the vehicle and doinga proper trail with the .22 to ready his shot. He accidentally hit the trigger.
This means when he DID hit kennedy it was in Panic on the subsequent shot. Which means Oswald had a good shot. And bad nerves.
I considered this. Perhaps he wasn't reacting to pain as much as suffocation. That's exactly where the hands would go in that case.
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You get them every time by asking them to explain in their own words what they believe happened.
They either instantly fold or at best give a tinpot theory that doesn't hold up under one simple question.
Then they definitely fold.
"Hey, I'm just asking questions here" is Ventura's go-to.
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JFK time is filter time - rethink the way you fuel your loved ones.
I don't get it. You're being esoteric in a conversation where we are all being literal.
(i mean, i don't get what you're implying even).
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Fascinating stuff! Thanks for sharing the photos, I've gotta make it out there myself some time.
Really, the biggest issue I have with most conspiracy theories is that it would be impossible for so many people to remain silent. Faking the moon landing or faking 9/11 would involve hundreds, if not thousands of people--and to expect that they stay quiet? Seems less likely than the possibility that we DID land on the moon or that flying 2 commercial airliners into a skyscraper WOULD cause it to collapse.
Now on the flipside, how many people would it take to orchestrate the assassination of a president secretly? Maybe 5-10? That seems a lot more likely, although I've never really heard a motive that made sense for killing JFK. Who knows....it's all fun to think about and discuss, though
Well someone touched on the fact that JFK wanted to abolish the federal reserve. A lot of people had been killed for a lot less.
As for big conspiracies, you hear that a lot, how could hundreds of people keep a secret? Well, only the ones at the top would be in the know. Dozens of people would be relegated certain duties all unaware of what anyone else is doing or what the final mission was.
As for 911, the one question that has bothered me and still never been answered, how could four airliners be hijacked and no fighter jets were dispatched? I could see it happening with one maybe two but four? I ain't buying it. Doesn't the US have a plan in place, even back then, that military jets could intercept any hijacked plane within 15 minutes anywhere on US soil? Just last week a couple of private planes did not respond to the tower and sure enough jets were there within minutes.
I believe that the US gov knew this attack was coming. I believe they let it happen. Within a few days of Bush taking office he was briefed on the situation in Iraq and regime change was the top priority. But how to sell it to the American public was the biggest obstacle,well problem solved.
Okay I'd better now write anymore, I know they are watching me.
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I considered this. Perhaps he wasn't reacting to pain as much as suffocation. That's exactly where the hands would go in that case.
imagine a round striking you in the head, you woukdnt have any clue as to what just hit you, and depending on where it hit your head your bodily processes could instantly cease to function while you have a few split seconds of concious thought and panic.
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Well someone touched on the fact that JFK wanted to abolish the federal reserve. A lot of people had been killed for a lot less.
As for big conspiracies, you hear that a lot, how could hundreds of people keep a secret? Well, only the ones at the top would be in the know. Dozens of people would be relegated certain duties all unaware of what anyone else is doing or what the final mission was.
As for 911, the one question that has bothered me and still never been answered, how could four airliners be hijacked and no fighter jets were dispatched? I could see it happening with one maybe two but four? I ain't buying it. Doesn't the US have a plan in place, even back then, that military jets could intercept any hijacked plane within 15 minutes anywhere on US soil? Just last week a couple of private planes did not respond to the tower and sure enough jets were there within minutes.
I believe that the US gov knew this attack was coming. I believe they let it happen. Within a few days of Bush taking office he was briefed on the situation in Iraq and regime change was the top priority. But how to sell it to the American public was the biggest obstacle,well problem solved.
Okay I'd better now write anymore, I know they are watching me.
ludicrous assumption.
as for the jet fighters recently despatched, maybe its down to something called "lessons learned"
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imagine a round striking you in the head, you woukdnt have any clue as to what just hit you, and depending on where it hit your head your bodily processes could instantly cease to function while you have a few split seconds of concious thought and panic.
I wasn't suggesting he thought to grab his throat, only that he was reflexively reacting to pain. Again, just something I randomly considered at the site. Reasonably explainable, I'm sure.
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I was SO hoping this wouldn't turn into a 9/11 truther thread.
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I wasn't suggesting he thought to grab his throat, only that he was reflexively reacting to pain. Again, just something I randomly considered at the site. Reasonably explainable, I'm sure.
A strike anywhere that resulted in breathing difficulties could result in you reaching for your throat/ mouth area.
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A strike anywhere that resulted in breathing difficulties could result in you reaching for your throat/ mouth area.
Absolutely.
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Not this shit again.....
Yes, it couldn't have possibly been the guy who that morning took off his wedding ring and left it at home, traveled to work with a collegue who when asked why he had a long thin 3-4 foot paper bag in his hand he said they were curtain rods.Couldnt have been the same man who was sighted by multiple witnesses leaning out of the book depository window with a rifle aimed at the president.Nor was the same mans handprint on said rifle plus 3 spent cartridges anything to do with the presidents death.The fact an overwhelming amount of the witnesses only heard 3 shots is just a coincidence.The same man running from the scene after the presidents death and seen by multiple witnesses murdering a police officer who tried to stop him is purely chance.Also trying to shoot the officer who apprehended him in a movie theatre isn't conclusive evidence.
Go on YouTube or use google, it was easy as shit for an amateur shooter to make those shots and has been done many times since with ease.everyone who visits dealey plaza remarks at hw tiny it is
Err, no.This is the thing about the Kennedy and other conspiracies, people just make shit up.Most of these men got the shots off QUICKER, had never use the type of rifle before or very little and only had a little time to practice in a range with it, the shooters were average joes and still were getting, 1,2 and 3 hits, give them a few years practice with the rifle and I'm sure they all would be getting 2 hits plus.
This video should sway any doubters. They recreate the head shot from oswalds position, what do you know, it replicates the way kennedys head blew open and the splatter patterns in kennedy's limo.
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Not this shit again.....
Most here aren't really "this shit"ting again, bud. Just chatting is all.
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Most here aren't really "this shit"ting again, bud. Just chatting is all.
Just gets boring when the conspiracy theories have long been debunked and people keep rehashing them.Only conspiracy that could exist is someone convincing Oswald to do the shooting.I enjoyed your pics though, everyone I've met who has been there is amazed at how small it is, which makes the "knoll shooters" even more comical, as the place is tiny, nevermind the crowd on the overpass who would have seen them all clear as day, or the people only feet in front.
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Just gets boring when the conspiracy theories have long been debunked and people keep rehashing them.Only conspiracy that could exist is someone convincing Oswald to do the shooting.I enjoyed your pics though, everyone I've met who has been there is amazed at how small it is, which makes the "knoll shooters" even more comical, as the place is tiny, nevermind the crowd on the overpass who would have seen them all clear as day, or the people only feet in front.
Again, not a whole lotta that going on or I'd already be gone. Just wanted to share the pics. Chatting ensued. All good so far. Ease up, fella.
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Again, not a whole lotta that going on or I'd already be gone. Just wanted to share the pics. Chatting ensued. All good so far, ease up, fella.
Ok chief
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Ok chief
I'm with you on the CT nonsense. Won't even engage. Did have a few comments and questions, though, just for clarity.
Have a good day.
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ludicrous assumption.
as for the jet fighters recently despatched, maybe its down to something called "lessons learned"
Not really, you think the guy in the mail room knows what the CEO is doing?
As for the jets, that policy has been in place since the seventies. Four jets, buddy, not one, four. And they almost all reached their target. Odds are astronomical.
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to sum up this thread
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From a firearms perspective, this JFK documentary is very good -
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I wasn't suggesting he thought to grab his throat, only that he was reflexively reacting to pain. Again, just something I randomly considered at the site. Reasonably explainable, I'm sure.
No, i was agreeing with you man, like he got hit, it blew out the portion of his brain that told the lungs to work, he instantly starting suffocating and insincitvely grabbed for his throat.
Or, the round impacted and took out a chunk of his brain that controlled motor function, and as he tried to reach towards his head, his arm didnt quite do what he wanted it to.
Theres kinds of weird things that could happen from sudden loss of brain function.
We were taught that a round to the t-box would instantly drop a target dead without the ability to react.
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No, i was agreeing with you man, like he got hit, it blew out the portion of his brain that told the lungs to work, he instantly starting suffocating and insincitvely grabbed for his throat.
Or, the round impacted and took out a chunk of his brain that controlled motor function, and as he tried to reach towards his head, his arm didnt quite do what he wanted it to.
Theres kinds of weird things that could happen from sudden loss of brain function.
We were taught that a round to the t-box would instantly drop a target dead without the ability to react.
The first shot didn't hit the brain, though. It entered his upper back or neck, exiting his throat. That's the reaction I was addressing. The head shot ended him.
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The first shot didn't hit the brain, though. It entered his upper back or neck, exiting his throat. That's the reaction I was addressing. The head shot ended him.
Ah. Im not read up on it, but thats all perfectly plausible.
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Ah. Im not read up on it, but thats all perfectly plausible.
YouTube the clip, his first reaction.
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The first shot didn't hit the brain, though. It entered his upper back or neck, exiting his throat. That's the reaction I was addressing. The head shot ended him.
First shot missed, 2nd shot hit Connolly and JFK, 3rd shot hit Kennedy in the head.Oswald was witnessed firing these shots from the witnesses on the ground, which is how they got the description of the suspect out so fast.
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nice of his wife to pick up his brain pieces
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First shot missed, 2nd shot hit Connolly and JFK, 3rd shot hit Kennedy in the head.Oswald was witnessed firing these shots from the witnesses on the ground, which is how they got the description of the suspect out so fast.
Stand corrected. First hit, I should have said.
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First shot missed, 2nd shot hit Connolly and JFK, 3rd shot hit Kennedy in the head.Oswald was witnessed firing these shots from the witnesses on the ground, which is how they got the description of the suspect out so fast.
Any idea if the theater is still there? Didn't get a chance to track it down.
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Any idea if the theater is still there? Didn't get a chance to track it down.
Yup, it's still there
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The first shot didn't hit the brain, though. It entered his upper back or neck, exiting his throat. That's the reaction I was addressing. The head shot ended him.
You're right.
I realize in my summary in the last page I eschewed this, and talked mainly about him grabbing his throat in relation to the bullet that went through his back (what I think was him actually raising his hands in the involuntary throes of death/not knowing what he was doing).
But the shot to the head ended him. All fired by Oswald. Who also fired a first shot completely by accident that hits the road somewhere and startles the little girl trailing the limo when she looks up EXACTLY at the window he's firing from (if a 6 year old girl got it... it should really say something).
Itchy trigger finger on Oswald.
And also a good shot. Because he recovered very well (and i am not complimenting the son of a bitch at all. He used a skill that was taught to him to protect our country against our country because he was a low IQ susceptible idiot of a man; he was easily manipulated by any woman apparently; there is SO much evidence against him in regards to his cuba trips/ cuban girlfriend ; he was insane. Literally insane).
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You're right.
I realize in my summary in the last page I eschewed this, and talked mainly about him grabbing his throat in relation to the bullet that went through his back (what I think was him actually raising his hands in the involuntary throes of death/not knowing what he was doing).
But the shot to the head ended him. All fired by Oswald. Who also fired a first shot completely by accident that hits the road somewhere and startles the little girl trailing the limo when she looks up EXACTLY at the window he's firing from (if a 6 year old girl got it... it should really say something).
Itchy trigger finger on Oswald.
And also a good shot. Because he recovered very well (and i am not complimenting the son of a bitch at all. He used a skill that was taught to him to protect our country against our country because he was a low IQ susceptible idiot of a man; he was easily manipulated by any woman apparently; there is SO much evidence against him in regards to his cuba trips/ cuban girlfriend ; he was insane. Literally insane).
He tried to kill some general the year before too
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Not really, you think the guy in the mail room knows what the CEO is doing?
As for the jets, that policy has been in place since the seventies. Four jets, buddy, not one, four. And they almost all reached their target. Odds are astronomical.
You think that the fighter jets would have shot a commercial airliner full of innocent people down? Nowadays, maybe--and even then I'd have my doubts--but back then? Not a chance. I don't think anyone imagined that they would use the airliners to take a skyscraper out, probably just expected a routine hostage situation. No way would they have been willing to just shoot 300+ people out of the air
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You think that the fighter jets would have shot a commercial airliner full of innocent people down? Nowadays, maybe--and even then I'd have my doubts--but back then? Not a chance. I don't think anyone imagined that they would use the airliners to take a skyscraper out, probably just expected a routine hostage situation. No way would they have been willing to just shoot 300+ people out of the air
Any plane flying over the White House would indeed be shot done, even back then. But that isn't even the question. The question is why weren't the jets there? I'm not buying a snafu.
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The term "conspiracy theorist" is a specific term/language used to demean and discredit someone who questions authority. You should ALWAYS question government and authority... it keeps them honest.
Was WTC7 built to collapse like this too?
And here you are again, with that foil hat crap video? Try to real one you find it here: [ Invalid YouTube link ]
After burning whole day, after hit by WTC 2 debris, it finally collapse. No speed of free fall, nothing special, structure just gives up.
The term "conspiracy theorist" is complete bullshit, because all what it mean is overwhelming stupidity and denial of facts. Official term should be "The foil hat moron". You should ALWAYS question your mental capacity, which is clearly insufficient.
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I used to believe the official story until I examined everything. There are way too many inconsistencies in the official 9/11 report.
You examine what? What you have examine is load of crap which you find from internet, and which make you childish little head spin. Let me give you the facts of the matter to examine:
1. there is none explosions what so ever
2. there is no evidence about the foul play what so ever
3. there is logical explanation for everything what happen, tons of evidence, which foil hats just deny
If your doubt about the truth is based on complete bullshit, what it makes you? Wise man, or complete moron? Do not start this all over again, because you lack evidence like always.
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Arguing with me will not solve your dilemma, you need to open your mind, examine ALL the evidence and re-evaluate it for yourself. You clearly have not done this.
And you with your open mind are eager to believe every bit of internet crap instead of proved truth, because truth has been provided to you by the government? How do you re-evaluate evidence, while you clearly lack IQ what it needs? I have repeat this over and over again: Please show me even one real explosion from what ever original 9/11 video, and I believe there was conspiracy. No one have been able to do that, and there has been 13 years of time to do that. It isn't what you can claim, it is all about what you can prove. All the evidence is backing up the official theory, and all the debate is based on denying this mountain of evidence by claims, not by counter evidence of any kind. I find that ridiculously stupid, what it clearly is. Show me your evidence? What stops you to do that?? YOU HAVEN'T ANY ;D
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He tried to kill some general the year before too
I thought it was a governor, but either way.
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Any plane flying over the White House would indeed be shot done, even back then. But that isn't even the question. The question is why weren't the jets there? I'm not buying a snafu.
No, the question is, What do you think about these cool Texas pics?
Your crap belongs on the other board.
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JFK was saft on camyunism
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No, the question is, What do you think about these cool Texas pics?
Your crap belongs on the other board.
I dunno, I thought the lighting was a bit off, but I'm no photographer ;D
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Not really, you think the guy in the mail room knows what the CEO is doing?
As for the jets, that policy has been in place since the seventies. Four jets, buddy, not one, four. And they almost all reached their target. Odds are astronomical.
no but a drink with the CEOs secretary might enlighten him a touch.
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I dunno, I thought the lighting was a bit off, but I'm no photographer ;D
Lol
The photos are awesome
Hope you don't care TU and I never intend to re post ever
But I have them saved on my computer
You know from
Our PMs I am a huge history buff
I want to
Visit this location more than quite literally anywhere in the world
Why I haven't yet is beyond me.
Does anyone know if there is ANY way to
Get access to the room Oswald shot from???
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Lol
The photos are awesome
Hope you don't care TU and I never intend to re post ever
But I have them saved on my computer
You know from
Our PMs I am a huge history buff
I want to
Visit this location more than quite literally anywhere in the world
Why I haven't yet is beyond me.
Does anyone know if there is ANY way to
Get access to the room Oswald shot from???
There's a sign on the museum (the former book depository) warning you, before you buy tickets, that the 6th floor is off limits. Might be a recent development because Princess L said she had access to the room on a previous visit.
Overheard someone say the floor is now occupied by a business or something, which doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry, brother.
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There's a sign on the museum (the former book depository) warning you, before you buy tickets, that the 6th floor is off limits. Might be a recent development because Princess L said she had access to the room on a previous visit.
Overheard someone say the floor is now occupied by a business or something, which doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry, brother.
Ugh that's so dissapointing to me
Because I (weirdly enough) was on the phone with my pops in sweden yesterday and i mentioned that I had seen some new photos of present day location
(i did not mention it was from get big. he is the type who would acutally come here, figure out who i am, then call me and be like "i know").
anyway, my pops told me he visited the ROOM oswald shot from in the 90s and he thought it was still open
unfortunately i just did a google search to verify this... and there is NO explanation. but for now (and the future, again with no explanation) they have closed that off
and i don't think that's cool. because i was doing some logistical search stuff to actually book a trip for myself and my twin to roll down there. we both want to see the site finally. our dad has been talking about it since we were born literally.
this is dissapointing to me.
TU question: is it a huge tourist draw now? Or is it a kind of chill place? Can you describe the atmosphere? And any hotel to stay at you know of?
you may think i'm nuts for taking a trip to texas to see this. but i think you get it with me. this is my exact purview. boring to some.... but i find it unbelievably enriching to visit certain places that have significance in recent american history (9.11. excluded because ground zero was in the neighborhood of my home i grew up in).
anyway thanks.
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Ugh that's so dissapointing to me
Because I (weirdly enough) was on the phone with my pops in sweden yesterday and i mentioned that I had seen some new photos of present day location
(i did not mention it was from get big. he is the type who would acutally come here, figure out who i am, then call me and be like "i know").
anyway, my pops told me he visited the ROOM oswald shot from in the 90s and he thought it was still open
unfortunately i just did a google search to verify this... and there is NO explanation. but for now (and the future, again with no explanation) they have closed that off
and i don't think that's cool. because i was doing some logistical search stuff to actually book a trip for myself and my twin to roll down there. we both want to see the site finally. our dad has been talking about it since we were born literally.
this is dissapointing to me.
TU question: is it a huge tourist draw now? Or is it a kind of chill place? Can you describe the atmosphere? And any hotel to stay at you know of?
you may think i'm nuts for taking a trip to texas to see this. but i think you get it with me. this is my exact purview. boring to some.... but i find it unbelievably enriching to visit certain places that have significance in recent american history (9.11. excluded because ground zero was in the neighborhood of my home i grew up in).
anyway thanks.
Not bad at all. We showed up early Sunday, and there were only a handful of folks walking around taking pictures, etc. Saw a single, small tour party with a microphoned guide, and the traffic on Elm is fairly light (even took a pic from the street). Parking ain't a problem either, 5-10 bucks, I forget.
It's strange, you're driving through downtown Dallas looking for Elm (city's like a cleaner, less-jammed L.A.), and it's building after building, just a big city, not sure where this place would fit in. Right on Elm, and after a few more blocks of big city, BAM! Just appears. Right back in '63, like nothing's changed. Immediately recognizable. It's just one block of perfectly preserved history right before the underpass/highway. Crazy.
But the museum will be a short/medium wait. Sixteen bucks or so, a few dozen in line, probably less than an hour, maybe half that. We had 1400 miles to drive, so had to bounce.
You grew up in NYC?
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You know, ive been coming to GB since 2004 and this is the first intelligent discussion ive ever seen. Good shit. I find this JFK stuff interesting. I have ZERO facts but I dont think ONE man was smart enough to carry a plan to kill a president!
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You know, ive been coming to GB since 2004 and this is the first intelligent discussion ive ever seen. Good shit. I find this JFK stuff interesting. I have ZERO facts but I dont think ONE man was smart enough to carry a plan to kill a president!
A high powered rifle and a vantage point is all it takes, why would anyone else need to be involved?
In fact its the most obvious answer, its way more obvious than a whole lot of people involved.
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A high powered rifle and a vantage point is all it takes, why would anyone else need to be involved?
In fact its the most obvious answer, its way more obvious than a whole lot of people involved.
Exactly , Arkham's razor
These conspiracy theorists should watch this
I don't know where the Youtube option went ???
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Exactly , Arkham's razor
These conspiracy theorists should watch this
I don't know where the Youtube option went ???
Pedant I know but its Occams Razor.
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Pedant I know but its Occams Razor.
lmao brain fart my son is actually playing Arkham origins and we were just talking about the game so it was in my head.
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There's a sign on the museum (the former book depository) warning you, before you buy tickets, that the 6th floor is off limits. Might be a recent development because Princess L said she had access to the room on a previous visit.
Overheard someone say the floor is now occupied by a business or something, which doesn't seem to make sense. Sorry, brother.
I'm having a hard time understanding why it would be off limits unless it was under some sort of maintenance temporarily or something ??? The website doesn't indicate anything :-\ There's lots of exhibits and memorabilia, artifacts, etc. The area by the window is preserved/replicated to be just as it was in '63.
http://www.jfk.org/go/about
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I'm having a hard time understanding why it would be off limits unless it was under some sort of maintenance temporarily or something ??? The website doesn't indicate anything :-\ There's lots of exhibits and memorabilia, artifacts, etc. The area by the window is preserved/replicated to be just as it was in '63.
http://www.jfk.org/go/about
Should have asked someone or taken a picture of the sign. I just assumed it had always been that way. I'll ask my brother to clear it up when he goes. Said he wanted to visit, and he's only 40 miles away now.
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Now you got me curious, Princess. Just checked Yelp and recent posts describe visiting the room. No idea what's going on now.
Edit: Website says museum is actually ON the 6th floor, but we didn't take the tour. I'm totally confused now, but my mom just texted me back and confirmed that it was off limits. Thought maybe I'd misread the sign or something. Strange.
Wonder if it said you can't access the floor unless you take the tour, but we're both pretty sure that's not what we read.
Edit 2.0: Just e-mailed museum to see if they can clear my shit up.
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Something's fishy.
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Something's fishy.
Yep. Probably misread the sign. Haven't been emailed back.
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Exactly , Arkham's razor
These conspiracy theorists should watch this
I don't know where the Youtube option went ???
Here you go. You are right, there is lot of real facts in this video, and lot of well-founded arguments. He make the foil hat morons look just like what they are ;D