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Just posted this on facebook. He will be talking about his steroid use...soon.
I am currently planning an article with M.D magazine where SHAWN RAY , KEV LEVRONE and myself will be openly discussing STEROID use…our own use, experiences, advice as athletes …..What question would you like answered…….oh…try to be serious …or waste time somewhere else!!..
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Insanity.
Hope its legit and not more ghost written 'safe' beginners cycles passed of as O level stuff.
Oh, i took 1.5cc test, 1cc deca weekly, and 10mg var/day, and 4iu gh daily
Yeah, sure ya did.
Although i think dorian would be more apt to spill it than most.
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
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It'll be more bullshit, I'm sure.
Probably 1 amp a week of some form of Test stacked with a couple pills of D-Bol.
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
Theres a happy medium. Im sure even the guys with elite .000001% genetics are never going to reach doz size on 1g/week, nor would they necessarily need 5-6g/wk.
Dosages DO make champions though, when coupled with other important factors.
Genetics, dosages, training, and food make champions (in that order, JMO). Youll never get there without all of the above.
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
Exactly.
See how he still looks now and the way he trains / lives / uses trt and you know that a decent amount of gear (parabolan) and his old training / lifestyle would have created something special.
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Exactly.
See how he still looks now and the way he trains / lives / uses trt and you know that a decent amount of gear (parabolan) and his old training / lifestyle would have created something special.
Exactly
He used very little before he turned pro.
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Exactly
He used very little before he turned pro.
I dont really think you can say that for sure unless you know him personally.....
I know youre a low dose guy and you like to think the best are too, but thats a ptlretty huge assumption. (Again, unless you know him personally)
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Pretty sure he'll leave out the nubain, pain killers, GHB etc...
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Same shit, different year....
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=385771.0
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=402082.0
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We all know how this will turn out. No one will be satisfied.
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Pretty sure he'll leave out the nubain, pain killers, GHB etc...
Dont really see dorian as that guy. He didnt get into rec drugs until he retired, he says that in mist interviews.
He was focused disciolined and driven like a machine when he was competitive, he said if it didnt make him a better BB, he wasnt doing it. (Which i think he said cost him his marriage)
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https://www.facebook.com/DorianYatesDY (https://www.facebook.com/DorianYatesDY)
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Turned into a pretty good thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=393876.0
;D
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It's gonna be in MD magazine, you dolts. Of course it's not going to be legit. More bullshit, as usual.
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
;D ;D ;D
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hEgzbpGc5Pk/hqdefault.jpg)
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Dont really see dorian as that guy. He didnt get into rec drugs until he retired, he says that in mist interviews.
He was focused disciolined and driven like a machine when he was competitive, he said if it didnt make him a better BB, he wasnt doing it. (Which i think he said cost him his marriage)
He did use nubain back in the day. A lot of the British pros of that time did and many had issues. Simon might recall an amateur called Sulby Prince who got really fucked up on it.
I didn't know DY back in the day other than as a fan of the thong, but I do know him a little bit now. Given his candid openness on recreationals I've no reason to assume he bullshits in private about gear. From what he told me it is nothing like the mega dosing of legend. But then again I also know one current top IFBB guy who stayed in my house for a while in the run up to a show he qualified for the Olympia for. Unless he was hiding his gear (not impossible but unlikely) he takes about 10% of what a man his size is reputed to. Under 2gms and no peptides.
I also know guys who wouldn't place in the top 5 in a small City show who have taken 7gms of test a week!
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It's gonna be in MD magazine, you dolts. Of course it's not going to be legit. More bullshit, as usual.
But it says no bullshit on the cover :-\
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it will be complete bullshit as usual
good genetics for pros is being able to run a boatload of gear without ending in the hospital too quick
if you want realistic pro cycles go read BFG posts
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GOOD LORD,,, :o
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Paul Borreson and that whole Biohazard crew dished out what dosages Dorian was taking decades ago.
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They will never ever tell the truth for obvious reasons, and i understand it, but why the needs to tell fairytales once again? Shut up and let people guess...
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
This
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We all know how this will turn out. No one will be satisfied.
And this
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Whatever he says will be disbelieved by people who have shit genetics and think its dosage that makes a champion.
Back in the mid 90's was friends with a guy who was a big dealer in UK. Anyway, he claimed Dorian was using the GH "pens" that came in 36iu doses. Said he used half in morning and the other half at night. Just thought I'd throw out this useless piece of gossip.
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500mg test e/week
10mg dianabol training days only
Gorilla diet
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Back in the mid 90's was friends with a guy who was a big dealer in UK. Anyway, he claimed Dorian was using the GH "pens" that came in 36iu doses. Said he used half in morning and the other half at night. Just thought I'd throw out this useless piece of gossip.
Yep, it is useless, I heard Dorian used to go to his bedroom to hook himself up to a dialysis machine for 2 hours every day
He was actually napping. ::)
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He did use nubain back in the day. A lot of the British pros of that time did and many had issues. Simon might recall an amateur called Sulby Prince who got really fucked up on it.
I didn't know DY back in the day other than as a fan of the thong, but I do know him a little bit now. Given his candid openness on recreationals I've no reason to assume he bullshits in private about gear. From what he told me it is nothing like the mega dosing of legend. But then again I also know one current top IFBB guy who stayed in my house for a while in the run up to a show he qualified for the Olympia for. Unless he was hiding his gear (not impossible but unlikely) he takes about 10% of what a man his size is reputed to. Under 2gms and no peptides.
I also know guys who wouldn't place in the top 5 in a small City show who have taken 7gms of test a week!
Yep, remember him well
I know a few people who got hooked on it, a lot of the Manchester bodybuilders of the day got into trouble with nubain, male and female.
A good friend of mine ended up totally fucked, hes fine now but was lucky to make it.
Matt Thompson a great bodybuilder from the mid 90-s ended up in a right state with it.
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Its like this, get your diet spot on, make sure you're training well and you are getting enough rest, if you then add in the drugs then the magic happens.
What some people then tend to do is think, fuck it, Im on gear now , I can be a bit slack with diet and training, after all, I look fantastic.
Dorian was meticulous with everything, thats why he made improvements and was ahead of the game.
None of his competitors at the time took it a s seriously as he did.
Now people want to attribute all he achieved to "Oh he took the most drugs"
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Its like this, get your diet spot on, make sure you're training well and you are getting enough rest, if you then add in the drugs then the magic happens.
What some people then tend to do is think, fuck it, Im on gear now , I can be a bit slack with diet and training, after all, I look fantastic.
Dorian was meticulous with everything, thats why he made improvements and was ahead of the game.
None of his competitors at the time took it a s seriously as he did.
Now people want to attribute all he achieved to "Oh he took the most drugs"
dorian was a white man after all
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Geez not this shit again of course he will list maybe a tiny fraction of what he used. He did train like a beast and had a flawless diet but was also a walking pharmacy that is why he was the biggest and best at the time. To be at the top you have to push it and be able to handle it better than the amateurs.
People on here need to quit with this bullshit lieing that pros can get to that level without massive abuse of everything.
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Geez not this shit again of course he will list maybe a tiny fraction of what he used. He did train like a beast and had a flawless diet but was also a walking pharmacy that is why he was the biggest and best at the time. To be at the top you have to push it and be able to handle it better than the amateurs.
People on here need to quit with this bullshit lieing that pros can get to that level without massive abuse of everything.
I think the truly genetically gifted can get there with LESS abuse, as some people just explode on lower dosages, but i dont believe for a minute that Dorian was running gym rat doses (1-2.5g/wk).
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I think the truly genetically gifted can get there with LESS abuse, as some people just explode on lower dosages, but i dont believe for a minute that Dorian was running gym rat doses (1-2.5g/wk).
If they could get away with less abuse they would use more especially if they are hardcore competitors making a living from the sport. They push it until the side are too much Orr they just can't function on that dose.
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If a bodybuilder can get 5th place at a pro show without hurting his health and feeling like shit next show that guy adds more until he can't tolerate it anymore. The best can tolerate the most and they respond the best.
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Geez not this shit again of course he will list maybe a tiny fraction of what he used. He did train like a beast and had a flawless diet but was also a walking pharmacy that is why he was the biggest and best at the time. To be at the top you have to push it and be able to handle it better than the amateurs.
People on here need to quit with this bullshit lieing that pros can get to that level without massive abuse of everything.
But steroids dont work like that, take a gram and gain, take 2 grams gain twice as much?
No, that doesnt happen,
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but you havent taken 2gms so how do you know ;)
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but you havent taken 2gms so how do you know ;)
mg for mg works the same
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But steroids dont work like that, take a gram and gain, take 2 grams gain twice as much?
No, that doesnt happen,
The more you take the more results you will have just like anything. Plus these guys max out on was aas and then the really fun starts with gh slin and whatever else they can get into their bodies.
I still think you have to be genetically awesome to be a pro. I also 100 percent believe the doses they take would kill a normal person. That is why they're the best in the world.
I have average genetics I can get so far on 500 test. Next I add deca. Next test deca orals. Next test deca tren orals in and out. Next every aas I listed and Jack those doses all way up. Next gh. Next gh slin. Next aas gh slin igf mgf or whatever your guru can get you. Quality will depend on Your source.
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The more you take the more results you will have just like anything. Pulse these guys makes out on was aas and then the really fun starts with gh slin and whatever else they can get into thy bodies.
I still think you have to be genetically awesome to be a pro. I also 100 percent believe the doses they take would kill a normal person. That is why they're the best in the world.
I have average genetics I can get so far on 500 test. Next I add deca. Next test deca morals. Next test deca tren orals in and out. Next every aas I listed and Jack those doses all way up. Next gh. Next gh slin. Next aas gh slin igf mgf or whatever your guru can get you. Quality will depend on Your source.
Incorrect.
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The more you take the more results you will have just like anything. Putlse these guys max out on was aas and then the really fun starts with gh slin and whatever else they can get into thy bodies.
I still think you have to be genetically awesome to be a pro. I also 100 percent believe the doses they take would kill a normal person. That is why they're the best in the world.
I have average genetics I can get so far on 500 test. Next I add deca. Next test deca morals. Next test deca tren orals in and out. Next every aas I listed and Jack those doses all way up. Next gh. Next gh slin. Next aas gh slin igf mgf or whatever your guru can get you. Quality will depend on Your source.
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Its like this, get your diet spot on, make sure you're training well and you are getting enough rest, if you then add in the drugs then the magic happens.
What some people then tend to do is think, fuck it, Im on gear now , I can be a bit slack with diet and training, after all, I look fantastic.
Dorian was meticulous with everything, thats why he made improvements and was ahead of the game.
None of his competitors at the time took it a s seriously as he did.
Now people want to attribute all he achieved to "Oh he took the most drugs"
GOOD POST SIR..
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Incorrect.
To a certain extent it is true. You may not double the gains but you will in fact add more muscle. Two grams of test will yield more results then one. You guys live in a fairy tale land.
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To a certain extent it is true. You may not double the gains but you will in fact add more muscle. Two grams of test will yield more results then one. You guys live in a fairy tale land.
Maybe so, but 20 grams wont yield more gains than 10
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Maybe so, but 20 grams wont yield more gains than 10
How do you know? I'm just saying they take as much as they can handle. Some handle more than others. Whoever take the most and respond the best wins. These guys all eat a lot of food and workout.
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How do you know? I'm just saying they take as much as they can handle. Some handle more than others. Whoever take the most and respond the best wins.
Because your body can only accumulate a certain amount of muscle, its not unlimited or we would have guys onstage weighing 600lbs
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If they could get away with less abuse they would use more especially if they are hardcore competitors making a living from the sport. They push it until the side are too much Orr they just can't function on that dose.
Some do, some dont. Your assuming everyone makes the same choices, lots of guys are too scared to just keep adding more or they cant afford it.
I think its just like anything, some take lots, some takes less .
Some of those who take lots make good gains, some dont.
Some who take less make great gains, others don't.
Everyone responds differently, some can get huge on less than others. Im sure theres a range.
Im also sure theres bigger pros taking smaller doses and smaller pros megadosing.
That said, i dont know if i believe ANYONE can make pro these days with less than a couple grams a week
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Because your body can only accumulate a certain amount of muscle, its not unlimited or we would have guys onstage weighing 600lbs
I agree there's a point of diminishing returns.
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Some do, some dont. Your assuming everyone makes the same choices, lots of guys are too scared to just keep adding more or they cant afford it.
I think its just like anything, some take lots, some takes less .
Some of those who take lots make good gains, some dont.
Some who take less make great gains, others don't.
Everyone responds differently, some can get huge on less than others. Im sure theres a range.
Im also sure theres bigger pros taking smaller doses and smaller pros megadosing.
That said, i dont know if i believe ANYONE can make pro these days with less than a couple grams a week
My main point to be on a pro stage 1980s-2014 you need to mega dose everything.
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My main point to be on a pro stage 1980s-2014 you need to mega dose everything.
And your ' main point ' is ignorant and was corrected multiple times.
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I agree there's a point of diminishing returns.
But you have already said the more you take the more you grow, make your mind up.
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My main point to be on a pro stage 1980s-2014 you need to mega dose everything.
I guess that probably depends on what you consider megadosing.
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But you have already said the more you take the more you grow, make your mind up.
Dude it's not rocket science. 2 grams will yield more mass than 500 mg right? 20 grams is too much can't tolerate it will make you sick. How is that confusing?
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Dude it's not rocket science. 2 grams will yield more mass than 500 mg right? 20 grams is too much can't tolerate it will make you sick. How is that confusing?
What if 2gms makes you sick?
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And your ' main point ' is ignorant and was corrected multiple times.
And you're prob one of the guys who believe lee priest would take a few cc of test a week and maybe some deca right?
I bet pros use no less than 5 grams total aas as much gh slin and exotics as they can afford.
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couple of irrelevant bodybuilders trying to stay relevant.
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I belive in genetics!
and we all se pros that dosent have them, work hard as fuck, inject everything and still look like shit! Then we have real pros, work moderate, inject half the doses and look 10 times better. Shawm flex, martinez, etc Then we have genetic gifted people, who work hard, and inject alot = Coleman, nasser, ruhl etc!
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What if 2gms makes you sick?
You will never be a pro! I can't even use tren I get sick I could never be more than a gym rat. I can tolerate the easy stuff test deca primo that's really it.
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And you're prob one of the guys who believe lee priest would take a few cc of test a week and maybe some deca right?
I bet pros use no less than 5 grams total aas as much gh slin and exotics as they can afford.
And you base this "bet" based on what experience exactly?
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It's chemical warfare are you guys joking? Especially with this modern era of slin blow up dolls. Christ some thick people on here. Maybe in the seventies you could get away with low doses but you aren't stepping on a pro stage without a serious stack today.
If you could get to the pros on small doses why not go for the fucking gold and blast until you can't take more. These guys are all addicts to begin with. Some guys like Dexter he didn't play the mass game as much he uses prob less than someone like rammy but that is why he's been able to compete for 20 years. I bet his stack and drug bill is still huge!
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It's chemical warfare are you guys joking? Especially with this modern era of so in blow up dolls. Christ some thick people on here. Maybe in the seventies you could get away with low doses but you aren't stepping on a pro stage without a serious stack.
Just tell us your experience, surely that's a reasonable question to ask?
If it's all off the boards or the "friend of the gym owner who sold gear to an IFBB pro" then you might want to at least be open minded enough to listen to people who might have had a bit more exposure than yourself.
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Spiro truth talking in this thread
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I use a gram a week of deca/test for recreational purposes. Cycling off intermittently.
I find it difficult to believe dorian used the same amount of gear as me. As my gear use is fairly conservative imo.
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Spiro truth talking in this thread
oh do shut up. You can tell yourself you're not a top guy because you don't take their drugs but perhaps that isn't true...
It must hurt your sensitive soul to hear that there have been guys turn pro on no peptides and sub 1gm/week. A name Simon would know form the 90s but not for airing on here.
Cue the ridicule for me, but why would I make this up? I'm not suggesting I was a pro, I'm a bodybuilding never was with no axe to grind in this.
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telling me to shut up isnt a good start for a reasonable response. Fuck you.
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Just tell us your experience, surely that's a reasonable question to ask?
If it's all off the boards or the "friend of the gym owner who sold gear to an IFBB pro" then you might want to at least be open minded enough to listen to people who might have had a bit more exposure than yourself.
Logic is all the experience I need. If lee priest can get to the Olympia without abusing hardcore then why not increase your earning ability and placing by jacking the dose up. Obviously he is a great responder and has superior genetics that is what got him so far. Why not say hey I think I can win.this thing if I take more than a gram of test and deca and a few clicks of dbols.
Fuck no if you're that good at something and you respond that well you are going to push it fucking hard. Bodybuilders have what maybe ten years to make money. Why would they play with gym rat doses? Commonfucking sense!
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oh do shut up. You can tell yourself you're not a top guy because you don't take their drugs but perhaps that isn't true...
It must hurt your sensitive soul to hear that there have been guys turn pro on no peptides and sub 1gm/week. A name Simon would know form the 90s but not for airing on here.
Cue the ridicule for me, but why would I make this up? I'm not suggesting I was a pro, I'm a bodybuilding never was with no axe to grind in this.
You are straight up fucking liar! This is some of the biggest b.s. I've ever read and you call yourself honest Bob Lmao I hope your trolling. Bodybuilders are attidcs!
Turning pro on trt doses you should be ashamed! You should be banned from BB forums! Why the fuck would a pro be that careful about doses! Liar!
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The more you take the more results you will have just like anything. Plus these guys max out on was aas and then the really fun starts with gh slin and whatever else they can get into their bodies.
I still think you have to be genetically awesome to be a pro. I also 100 percent believe the doses they take would kill a normal person. That is why they're the best in the world.
I have average genetics I can get so far on 500 test. Next I add deca. Next test deca orals. Next test deca tren orals in and out. Next every aas I listed and Jack those doses all way up. Next gh. Next gh slin. Next aas gh slin igf mgf or whatever your guru can get you. Quality will depend on Your source.
Dude you are being retarded its like saying if 50 grams of protein per meal builds muscle then lets increase it to 100 grams per meal to build more muscle, it does not work like that, there is no point in taking more than 1 gram of test week if you take 3 grams you are not going to see better results.
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Logic is all the experience I need. If lee priest can get to the Olympia without abusing hardcore then why not increase your earning ability and placing by jacking the dose up. Obviously he is a great responder and has superior genetics that is what got him so far. Why not say hey I think I can win.this thing if I take more than a gram of test and deca and a few clicks of dbols.
Fuck no if you're that good at something and you respond that well you are going to push it fucking hard. Bodybuilders have what maybe ten years to make money. Why would they play with gym rat doses? Commonfucking sense!
So why didnt Lee just double his dose and win the Olympia?
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Dude you are being retarded its like saying if 50 grams of protein per meal builds muscle then lets increase it to 100 grams per meal to build more muscle, it does not work like that, there is no point in taking more than 1 gram of test week if you take 3 grams you are not going to see better results.
You must be trolling, you are actually right for once.
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So why didnt Lee just double his dose and win the Olympia?
Just not genetically possible to get bigger! No matter how much you take your still human!
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Dude you are being retarded its like saying if 50 grams of protein per meal builds muscle then lets increase it to 100 grams per meal to build more muscle, it does not work like that, there is no point in taking more than 1 gram of test week if you take 3 grams you are not going to see better results.
That's why you take ten different drugs and peptides and whatever the druggies can get their hands on.
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You must be trolling, you are actually right for once.
Dam sorry about that I will try to be wrong next time.
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Just not genetically possible to get bigger! No matter how much you take your still human!
You have just contradicted yourself again.
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That's why you take ten different drugs and peptides and whatever the druggies can get their hands on.
You are just showing your ignorance now.
Its because they take more than me thats why they are better than me, you all over mate.
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your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.
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your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.
and you seem to think that no one can achieve more than you without taking more than you.
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where the fuck did I say that?
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where the fuck did I say that?
You said Spiro was talking sense, thats basically his official stance.
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you are only as big as the amount of drugs you can afford and can get away claiming on your tax forms
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Take a look at this guy
Up to 6 grams of gear a week produced this
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"this guy" was also off everything except for 300-500mg test/wk and training maybe 2x a week for 20-30mins at a time and taking in less than 2k kcals for weeks prior to the pic... not to mention down about 20-30lbs from normal walking-around weight.
yea, 6g/wk at one time... but do you believe those gains stay with you when you cut down the dose and cut down the training and cut down the kcals?
look at kev levrone, look at Mustafa Mohamed, look at flex wheeler (when he went off)... I see JP Fux nearly everyday and he's a big bigger than I was 2-3 months ago (I've been "off" everything since contracting cellulitis and sepsis and was hospitalized.. I've had maybe 3 workouts since then)... JP was a fucking beast, now he's maybe running 500 test/wk and looks to weigh about 240 and lean, but gone are the lats, delts, and arms.
the whole theory of "the more you take, the better the results" is an ignorant statement.
ignorant because it's based on things you have not experienced yourself... I myself have taken a lil over 7g/wk back in '02-03 and was 247 at my heaviest (heaviest I saw on the scale) and 7% bf eating every 2 hours and running around 40iu humulin r/day.... fast forward to 2013 or so and I'm running around 6g/wk comprised mostly of test and deca (4g and 2g) and I walk around at about 235-237 eating maybe 3x/day.. maybe 4x... and eating "normal" food, like a normal person.. not a bber. pizza, mac n cheese, cheeseburgers, hot pockets, hamburger helper, ect...
now, I have customers who take about 2g and walk around at 240lbs at heights around 2-4" shorter than me, including 2 people who just set state powerlifting records (raw).
it all comes down to your response to drugs #1, and how you eat #2.
you need to EAT THE RIGHT SHIT if you want to maximize your response/results from the increased drug intake.... I'm a prime example. right now I walk around at 221-223 at 400mg test/wk.. sometimes once every 10-14 days and I've had 3 workouts since mid july, and am still at abut 8% eating maybe 2-3 'meals'/day.... that's just about 10-15lbs less and 2% more bf than I was when I was using 6g, or even 4g/wk.
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your 8 percent and your not dieting?
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Lol, we know how reckless bb's are. Why wouldn't they increase the dose in an attempt to gain even more muscle? ::)
All these guys are at their physical max, period (what their body can take). It's simply psychology. If I can be better than him, I must do whatever to surpass him.
All Pro BB's are maxed out, period.
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your 8 percent and your not dieting?
well, by "dieting", yea, I probably am.. I'm probably taking in less kcals than I'm burning each day. I don't really pay attention.
only thing I watch is the scale, if it dips below 220/221, i'll stuff myself for a day or two with pasta or something.
shit...I doubt I take in more than 80g protein/day as well, the past few months (since I spent 3-4 days in the hospital with sepsis).
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8 percent is pretty dam lean though people usually exaggerate ;)
was wondering why you were not posting much of late.
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I would like to see if they take TRT now in retirement.
1000mgs =220 in myslef maxed out
Two years later 2100mgs = 242lbs
everyones different but I would have needed more to have got to to 264lbs which is what Charles recommended i needed to be at. I was advised to double my dose to achieve it slowly over the next 24 months 12 on 4 off. I retired wasnt comfortable doing that dose for a low chance of financial reward, didnt make sense, but i seen plenty of guys with worse genetics than me turn pro using more, but I also believe the very top guys just respond better not take more.
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"this guy" was also off everything except for 300-500mg test/wk and training maybe 2x a week for 20-30mins at a time and taking in less than 2k kcals for weeks prior to the pic... not to mention down about 20-30lbs from normal walking-around weight.
yea, 6g/wk at one time... but do you believe those gains stay with you when you cut down the dose and cut down the training and cut down the kcals?
look at kev levrone, look at Mustafa Mohamed, look at flex wheeler (when he went off)... I see JP Fux nearly everyday and he's a big bigger than I was 2-3 months ago (I've been "off" everything since contracting cellulitis and sepsis and was hospitalized.. I've had maybe 3 workouts since then)... JP was a fucking beast, now he's maybe running 500 test/wk and looks to weigh about 240 and lean, but gone are the lats, delts, and arms.
the whole theory of "the more you take, the better the results" is an ignorant statement.
ignorant because it's based on things you have not experienced yourself... I myself have taken a lil over 7g/wk back in '02-03 and was 247 at my heaviest (heaviest I saw on the scale) and 7% bf eating every 2 hours and running around 40iu humulin r/day.... fast forward to 2013 or so and I'm running around 6g/wk comprised mostly of test and deca (4g and 2g) and I walk around at about 235-237 eating maybe 3x/day.. maybe 4x... and eating "normal" food, like a normal person.. not a bber. pizza, mac n cheese, cheeseburgers, hot pockets, hamburger helper, ect...
now, I have customers who take about 2g and walk around at 240lbs at heights around 2-4" shorter than me, including 2 people who just set state powerlifting records (raw).
it all comes down to your response to drugs #1, and how you eat #2.
you need to EAT THE RIGHT SHIT if you want to maximize your response/results from the increased drug intake.... I'm a prime example. right now I walk around at 221-223 at 400mg test/wk.. sometimes once every 10-14 days and I've had 3 workouts since mid july, and am still at abut 8% eating maybe 2-3 'meals'/day.... that's just about 10-15lbs less and 2% more bf than I was when I was using 6g, or even 4g/wk.
No, no you wasnt, you keep repeating this over and over and I think you have convinced yourself its true
The pic above is you, its always been you, you just dont look any different than that.
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your really not listening to him, hes not disregarding genetics and work ethic.
Ignorant people look at you and just say "all drugs", they dont take into account everything else you do to look like you.
To say its all down to dosage the way the pros look is exactly the same.
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I would definitely not say its all down to dosage, however I would say most of them do the 'pro stack'
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Simple fact: drugs help. Then why on earth wouldn't they take more drugs to beat the competition?
Because the point of deminising gains is at 1.5 grams? okay. ;D lol please add scientific evidence.
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Simple fact: drugs help. Then why on earth wouldn't they take more drugs to beat the competition?
because of principle or morality.
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because of principle or morality.
Hahahahhahahaha, morality in pro bb. ;D
1 gram is okay but 1.5 isn't? ;D Where's the morality in that?
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We got guys here claiming people go pro on less than a g of gear no peptides And im being ridicolud
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GOOD LORD,,, :o
It's fashionable now to throw Dorian under the bus, saying he ushered in the era of mass monsters. That he had a bloated gut, at least in later years, etc. etc. Yes, he was huge but just look at that picture. His structure was world class, as good as it gets. Probably one of the reasons he was able to pile on so much size and still look good. I didnt really like his build after '92, even though everyone considers '93 his benchmark. The package he presented in winning the British Championship's was amazing, flawless you might say. Lying waist! Tiny waist with perfectly shaped, symetrical abs. Legs had the seperate on he list in later years and again, amazing shape. His shape and structure get lost in discussions about him. Maybe because of the tears and the growth of his stomach in later years
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We got guys here claiming people go pro on less than a g of gear no peptides And im being ridicolud
These guys take everything they can to beat the rest, end of story. ;D
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couple of irrelevant bodybuilders trying to stay relevant.
irrelevant to who? is barry bonds not relevant anymore because he doesn't play?
legends are legends forever, when they speak people listen
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No, no you wasnt, you keep repeating this over and over and I think you have convinced yourself its true
The pic above is you, its always been you, you just dont look any different than that.
so, you knew me in 2002 and 2003? lol... you don't know me, you never have. you pick out pics of when I was small and lean and post them saying "this is what 6g does!" when anybody with ANY experience with AAS can tell you that's not what 6g would look like.. where's the bloat? 4gs of test and 2gs of deca and no bloat? lol.. oh.. maybe you'll say it was 6g's of "non-bloating" drugs like mast or tren.. then why aren't I grainy? and hard? and vascular? and red?... anybody can see the pics you post and see that's a mostly 'un-trained' physique that's on possibly 500 test/wk. why don't you post the pics that I posted? most of which were at around 3g/wk plus 20+ lbs... oh, that's right, that won't help your little "point"... pathetic for a 50yr old man who'd get his teeth kicked in if he spoke to anybody in person the way he "speaks" on this message board.
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I don't know Yates, but I know several from that era at the top level who are actualy honest, they all more or less used the same things, and the same kind of doses... Was quite alot in each case, that's all I have to say on this...
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It would be really hard for someone like Dorian or Levrone to be completely honest
about everything they did during their careers, even if they were known to be "straight shooters"
and so on. Because it's hard to admit to self-destructive and almost suicidal behaviors. I believe that the guys chasing the Mr O title would be willing to take quite a bit of risk to achieve their goal, and many of them have mental problems like depression as it is which can make them reckless and desperate.
Some things are likely left out. Now let's say Dorian did say DNP, Nubain, GHB, IV diuretics or any other "dangerous and extreme" stuff along with experimentation with megadoses of gear to see what it does - would he likely include that in his disclosures? Unlikely. Say Levrone did about 500mg of orals leading up to the Mr O along with a bottle of whiskey, would he tell the whole truth and extent of it? Unlikely.
And who thinks Shawn Ray will be "open"? I doubt anyone lol.
Bodybuilding can be said to be mostly genetics. The amount of muscle fibers you are born with, the shape of the muscle bellies, the response and tolerance to drugs. But I believe the Dorian cycle of 300mg prop/150mg tren/8iu of GH and some other mild shit leading up to the O is not quite the whole truth.
Remember the trends in the increased test dosages, insulin and GH during Dorian's reign? You think someone like him is going to be left behind when he hears what Munzer or Benaziza or Nasser is doing? Bodybuilders always gossip about what everyone else is doing, and if they can't do it for some reason, they complain of unfair advantage like with Levrone and him crying about Chad's athletes circumventing the diuretic test.
Does this pic look like that of a mild user, regardless of genetics?
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Yep, it is useless, I heard Dorian used to go to his bedroom to hook himself up to a dialysis machine for 2 hours every day
He was actually napping. ::)
Hey this is gossip and opinions. I personally know two guys who have used 30ius of GH daily for extended periods of time. I've seen what it has done to them both in terms of building muscle and side effects. Of course the pros would never use such doses since they are the genetic elite and have such a great work ethic. ::)
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Van b and disgusted putting some common sense into this thread....
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Ya I thought the bodybuilders of the 80s were the ones to really take things to the limits. I still can't believe some people on here are still so gullible to think these guys wouldn't push the envelope as hard as they can. It's their profession their whole life. I can't tell if some of you are just full of shit or you're purposely trying to lie for some weird reason.
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Its like this, get your diet spot on, make sure you're training well and you are getting enough rest, if you then add in the drugs then the magic happens.
What some people then tend to do is think, fuck it, Im on gear now , I can be a bit slack with diet and training, after all, I look fantastic.
Dorian was meticulous with everything, thats why he made improvements and was ahead of the game.
None of his competitors at the time took it a s seriously as he did.
Now people want to attribute all he achieved to "Oh he took the most drugs"
Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on ::) training well? WTF ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town. :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!
If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.
Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles. ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.
Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.
So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
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Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on ::) training well? WTF ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town. :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!
If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.
Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles. ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.
Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.
So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
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If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.
D-gusted. DESTROYING a dellusionite in the most savage way I've seen in a while.
GodSpeed.
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Hey this is gossip and opinions. I personally know two guys who have used 30ius of GH daily for extended periods of time. I've seen what it has done to them both in terms of building muscle and side effects. Of course the pros would never use such doses since they are the genetic elite and have such a great work ethic. ::)
I've had a big Canadian pro with his own training system ::) tell me he takes 30iu of pharm a day, and has been on mega doses since he was a teenager
Obviously Dorian has a much better response :-X
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I've had a big Canadian pro with his own training system ::) tell me he takes 30iu of pharm a day, and has been on mega doses since he was a teenager
Obviously Dorian has a much better response :-X
Too soon for shitting on Kovacs.
Shame on you.
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Disgusted do you run TRT and at what dose or do you still do the occasional small cycle, or do you train naturally these days.
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Disgusted do you run TRT and at what dose or do you still do the occasional small cycle, or do you train naturally these days.
Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.
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Looks like the kind of guy that takes hormones 'by the bottle'....
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Muscular Development is on its last leg, trying to stay afloat with prolevel stack talk
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Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.
Thanks for the reply.
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Never done TRT well actually this is not entirely true. Did the old one shot a week of script test from Dr didn't like it so quit and after about 6 months felt fine. If I ever do dabble for fun which isn't often I just tend to go bout 8 weeks then quit no TRT and never any issues with sex drive or what ever. On are occasion will do some letro but very rare to do and do about half dose EOD for short time.
So you are natty now at 260 and in reasonable condition?
Amazing, most pros need to be taking 4 grams a week to hold that weight.
Try and remember where you are.
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Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on ::) training well? WTF ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town. :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!
If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.
Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles. ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.
Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.
So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
Amazing, you claim its all down to how many drugs you take and are walking around at 260 natty and in reasonable shape.
I dont follow your logic.
PS, can you remember what the pertcentage was , bearing in mind you overheard the conversation?
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Weak trolling. ;D
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It's funny how all the Dorian fans seem to know exactly what he took. ::)
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This is the truth:
If your diet, training, health and rest are completely up to scratch, the more steroids you take, the bigger you will get. It's as simple as that.
Pros have got their diet, training (health for the most part) and rest up to a standard that works for them perfectly, but they are only the size they are due to the drugs they take. Don't beleive the crap from anyone, that they are not, even from the 'in the know' people that are on this board. Those very same people for the most part have used/use extremely higher dosages than what they preach. Why do they preach the low dosages? - various personal agendas.
Reality is that as a rule, 1g per week of test non stop year round is the 'off' time for the pros. Gear is added as it's obtained - no real detailed cycles as such. As long as they take the high dosages of gear, they'll grow (as long as the diet, training, health and sleep is up to scratch as mentioned previously).
Several grams of test per week, several grams of anabolics per week, up to 2g/week of tren, a shit load of orals, insulin several times a day year round, GH as much as can be afforded - 15 to 30IU/day, etc.
BUT, pros have the genetics to have their bodies accept the gear, and generally not get sick on it.
And ancilliary use is huge - liver aids to the max, anti-e's, dht blockers, cardio supps, cholesterol supps, etc.
Still, most of them are complete wrecks. They can't control bodily functions,
they pass out from walking a flight of stairs, they get drenched in sweat from tying their shoelaces. Gyno, baldness, dry skin, gout, excess bodily hair, acne, etc are ALL existant in virtually all of them.
It is not a healthy sport, drug use is ENORMOUS, but to ignore it and to preach otherwise is pathetic and not what this site is about.
BTW, Synthetek's books have on them who's who of current pros ordering Syntherol constantly. They ALL use it extensively. It is pathetic though, when one orders a bottle and their credit card gets declined due to not enough funds. You think a 30+ yo would have his life in order more than that.
Anyway, I'm sick of seeing the bullshit that has been promoted on this site the last few years. This site was originally set up as an uncensored place where you can find the truth about advanced performance enhancing, regardless of consequences. It's getting back to that.
Hello, I have read this forum for years now and always found it an amusing source of entertainment. lately, though, i have been frustrated with the idiotic misinformation spread by self proclaimed pseudo gurus such as gh15. I'm here to provide a source of realistic knowledge as to the true hormone usage in the upper echelons of competitive bodybuilding.
I was a top 3 placing national competitor in my twenties. I placed second in my weight class (super heavyweight) a number of times at the national level, effectively just missing an IFBB pro card. I stopped competing because I wanted to raise a family in good health. I am still well immersed in the bodybuilding industry, and while I stopped a couple years ago, I spent nearly a decade giving hormone advice to competitors as a "guru."
What do the pros really use?
Despite what some would like to believe, not many guys go over 2-2.5 grams of test per week. The typical hormone amount of a mid-level IFBB pro is about 5-6 grams of injectable hormones per week. In addition add in various cycles of orals (usually just dianabol and anadrol - used both offseason and precontest to 'fill out'). 20+ iu's of gh is common, especially as the insulin usage increases as well. Insulin is the #1 factor in creating the biggest bodybuilders. Most successful pros are scared to eat food without using slin. Most pros are on a shitload of random peptides, not because they do a whole lot but because they want every single miniscule edge that may be possible. That means add in IGF-1, MGF and PGF into the mix. Also, they never came off. "off cycle" means being on test, eq, gh and slin.
How common is synthol?
everyone uses site enhancement oils, almost always in the biceps, calves and delts. I dont know any IFBB pro who hasnt used synthol. the whole fst-7 training protocol that is so popular today is entirely based around the usage of synthol.
What causes the 'GH GUT?'
too much insulin over a short period of time. its not intestinal enlargement pushing out the stomach walls. While there are a host of IGF-1 receptors in the intestines, the localized growth that occurs isnt enough to permanentally stretch the abdominal muscle walls, that is absurd. Excessive insulin usage over a short period of time (usually to put on 20-30lbs 6 months or a year) leads to visceral fat buildup. In addition, the constant contest yo-yo dieting combined with the massive over-eating of "bulking" leads to visceral fat buildup that is never lost because the diets dont last long enough to effect it. Add in carb loading, you will see huge guts with distention.
Is anyone really natural?
very few natural bodybuilders are actually natural. To be a high placing natural bodybuilder (in the natural leagues) you need to be at least using a fair amount of otc prohormones/designer steroids. Superdrol and pheraplex are two favorites among the natural crowd. A fair amount of naturals take 400-500mg's/week of test. These are usually the top, top guys. Anavar is also popular. Of course the guys that have been doing it for a while and still compete/market their natural physique are on 5-10 iu's of gh.
Hopefully this can clear up any misinformation that circulates on the board. Feel free to ask any questions and I may be able to answer. Finally, despite what clowns like gh15 might tell you; you cannot determine what hormones somebody is on based on what their appearance. Thats retarded. The best you could do is say 'hes watery, bloated and has a red face, maybe hes on anadrol.' Anything more than that is ignorant speculation.
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BB's are pretty extreme personalities.
Can imagine most pro's upping their dose even if it just means a 1% increase in muscularity.
Those massive cycles posted by the likes of BFG are probably close to the truth;
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Ya I thought the bodybuilders of the 80s were the ones to really take things to the limits. I still can't believe some people on here are still so gullible to think these guys wouldn't push the envelope as hard as they can. It's their profession their whole life. I can't tell if some of you are just full of shit or you're purposely trying to lie for some weird reason.
Not just a profession but an obsession also.
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if anyone thinks yates wasn't doing huge dosages of drugs they r blind,yes I do believe yates trained brutally hard and lived a perfect bodybuilding lifestyle as far as proper sleep and perfect diet ect and was gifted in the genetics area, but I know he did huge dosages and I don't care what he says or anyone else says.
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if anyone thinks yates wasn't doing huge dosages of drugs they r blind,yes I do believe yates trained brutally hard and lived a perfect bodybuilding lifestyle as far as proper sleep and perfect diet ect and was gifted in the genetics area, but I know he did huge dosages and I don't care what he says or anyone else says.
x2,,fanny packs weren't invented in 90's for bbers to hold lifesavers and a bic pen..
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x2,,fanny packs weren't invented in 90's for bbers to hold lifesavers and a bic pen..
fanny packs where the shit in the 90,s ;Di had like 7 of them in my room. honestly tho I never lost my cell phone,wallet or keys wearing the fanny packs,now im always losing something ???, it was kinda the style back then so I just jumped on the bandwagon ;)
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Jesus Christ you sound like Tom Prince when he was lying posting on the Mayhem board years ago. Diet should be spot on ::) training well? WTF ??? Yes then add in drugs and Santa comes to town. :D :D Seriously you should work for Muscle Tech. I've been around this sport since I was 17 I lifted at Manion's gym in Pittsburgh when I was 19 hung around IFBB judges trained with some of the top guys in the 80's and literally saw these guys shoot up in the locker rooms while they compared cycles. I know WTF I speak of!!
If training hard was the main reason Dorian was winning then Tom Platz would still be winning the Olympia. I've witnessed many pros train and for the most part I trained harder than them when I was 18 and was fucking stupid because I thought the harder I trained the bigger I would become. Then I realized this whole damn thing is about drugs PERIOD. Lee Haney who is one of my favorite bodybuilders never broke any records when it came to intensity. Yes he trained hard but his motto was train don't strain. Flex Wheeler well that's another story, lets just say sparks weren't flying off his ass in the gym.
Pisses me off after a while when guys come on here and act like they know what the fuck is going on with these guys. Yeah only the gym rats take the big doses ::) Certainly not the top guys who are competing for the worlds most prestige's BB titles. ::) because they are all about health and nutrition and their training is SPOT ON!! Jesus fuck if I hear that again I'm going to dig my eardrums out with a rusty fucking pocket knife.
Genetics is muscle shape, response to drugs and body type mainly, then add in copious amounts of drugs, go to the gym and lift some weights it's not rocket science. No your diet doesn't need to be perfect nor does your training. If you have the right genetics and enough money to get the drugs you need then maybe you can go somewhere in this sport.
So keep your stupid fucking hearsay about Dorian winning because he was meticulous to yourself because you have zero idea what you speak of. Oh and from Dorian's lips to my ears (not to me directly) his secret to making improvements each year he competed was to up his dose each year by a certain percentage. Heard this at an after party while he was talking to another pro. Guess maybe he had a little too much to drink that night and decided to be honest about things.
This...
And this...
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http://generationiron.com/dorian-yates-open-honest-steroids/ (http://generationiron.com/dorian-yates-open-honest-steroids/)
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Yates is, and has always been, the most open bodybuilder about steroids.
It’s no secret that the world of bodybuilding tries to actively avoid the topic of steroid use. We’ve touched on the issue before – with the exception of natural divisions, almost all bodybuilders use steroids. Bodybuilders hardly talk about it, the organizations hardly talk about it, they just plain ignore it. It’s refreshing then, when Dorian Yates is so open about steroids in bodybuilding and more specifically – the fact that he used steroids for most of his career.
Yates recently posted on his social media that he is in the early stages of developing an article with Muscular Development where he will candidly talk about personal steroid use with Shawn Ray and Kev Levrone. You can check it out right here:
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This wouldn’t be the first time that he has worked with MD about his past, thoughts, and attitudes about steroids. The fact is that Yates has always been very open and outgoing when it comes to talking about steroids. He was even recently featured on London Real, where he talks at length over a 90 minute interview about his experiences with steroid use. He doesn’t hold back at all. Take a look at this for example:
“Every drug has negatives but I can only speak from personal experience. I took steroids on and off from when I was competing in Amateur competitions in the British championship level up into the professional level from ’85 until ’97 when I retired. That’s 12 years of consistent use. Of course, athletes don’t use the recommended dose, they use way more than the regular dose. I can say in all that time I did get some side-effects like water retention, some acne, yes your aggression levels are higher but it depends what you do with that aggression. I took it out in the gym, I utilized it for my training.”
- Yates talking on London Real
We, for one, can’t wait to see what Yates’ new MD article digs up. It’s a blast of fresh air to just hear someone actually talking about it. He isn’t a radical defending steroids or sending an outcry against it. He’s just being honest and stating the facts as he knows them – through personal experience. There’s a moment in the London Real interview where Dorian Yates makes a comparison to western culture’s obsession with fast food and the documentary Super Size Me. The point he makes is a pretty valid one: there are plenty of legal things, like fast food, that are far more harmful to a person’s health. Over the counter drugs and greasy fast food are common contributions to premature deaths across the board – so why is everyone so very serious about steroids?
Well, for one, there is the idea of fairness in competitions. If a person wants to lead a healthy lifestyle, they wouldn’t be able to compete at the same level as IFBB pros as it stands now. There is also much debate as to what facts are true and which ones are over-exaggerated when it comes to the damage steroids cause to the human body – so perhaps it is incorrect to label fast food and over the counter drugs in the same category. But we’re not making a statement for or against steroid use – and neither is Dorian Yates.
To borrow another quote from the London Real, Yates puts it ever-so-simply right here:
“Personally, my advice would be, unless you’re competing, I wouldn’t really consider it.”
- Yates talking on London Real
The problem, as Yates sees it, is that in today’s society everyone is taking steroids. People who think it can be a magic cure to big muscles and don’t put in any of the work. Back when Yates was competing, it was only the serious bodybuilding competitors who even considered using steroids as a way to maximize muscle. It wasn’t a popular drug. It was a drug used by the most serious of athletes. It’s not a shortcut – it’s an enhancement.
And that has always been part of the problem. If no one is talking about steroids, then no one is going to get a good understanding about it. The over abuse of drugs is something that has existed and will probably always exist – but with bodybuilding bigger than it has ever been and pro bodybuilders being glorified by an even bigger base of fans; there needs to be an open voice to help usher in the responsible use of steroids in bodybuilding.
It’s here to stay and if more iconic greats were open about steroid use, like Dorian Yates, maybe we would be on a better path to a more responsible and serious understanding on steroids and its place in the fitness and the bodybuilding world. Perhaps Yates’ conversational article in the upcoming Muscular Development magazine can be a good start.
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A big shout out goes to the London Real for their wonderfully in depth interview with Dorian Yates. You can catch the whole video right here. What do you think about Dorian Yates and his open voice about steroids? Let us know in the comments below or hit us up on our official Facebook and Twitter pages. Stay pumped.
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“Personally, my advice would be, unless you’re competing, I wouldn’t really consider it.”
- Yates talking on London Real
Seriously, why does standing on a stage in a thong and competing for a plastic trophy seem to be the only justification for taking steroids for some people?
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Seriously, why does standing on a stage in a thong and competing for a plastic trophy seem to be the only justification for taking steroids for some people?
I saw that interview and i dont remember him saying that, although he said his kid takes rhsm and he was ok with it and helped him, and it was only hormones and he had no problems with people using hormones that nairally occur in the body.