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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: foodie on October 13, 2014, 08:43:09 AM
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I tried peptides once. Ipamorelin and Mod GRF 1-29. I actually got the growth hormone spurt (as measured by blood test), but didn't get jackshit in terms of physique. Maybe got a bit of better sleep. Could it have been my source? Or are peptides a waste of money
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Total garbage... I've took them totaly clean of gear and they made zero impact on physique or training.. As little as a few iu of GH at least changes your body composition a little
My advice is to spend your money on gear or actual GH instead...
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Try this shit as you can see its stronger and last longer than injecting GH
HEMOGEX keeps GH and IGF-1 blood levels elevated long after injectable pharmaceutical synthetic Growth Hormone has quit working. The scientific Polylipid breakthrough delivers D-ALA-D-BETA -NAL-ALA-TRP-D-PHE-LYS-NH2 (Z-11) into the bloodstream completely intact, bypassing the destructive effects of the liver and heads straight to the anterior pituitary to induce massive amounts of Growth Hormone, which is then converted into potent levels of IGF-1.
Clinical trials prove that HEMOGEX can increase serum Growth Hormone levels up to 4,120 ng/dl and in other clinical trials up to 718% above baseline levels and for an extended period of two hours! Further, HEMOGEX has proven to increase serum IGF-1 up to 10,000 ng/dl above baseline levels in clinical trials.
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Total garbage... I've took them totaly clean of gear and they made zero impact on physique or training.. As little as a few iu of GH at least changes your body composition a little
My advice is to spend your money on gear or actual GH instead...
BOOM!
good post.
exact same experience- cjc ghrp and IGF- and share the same advise.
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Total garbage... I've took them totaly clean of gear and they made zero impact on physique or training.. As little as a few iu of GH at least changes your body composition a little
My advice is to spend your money on gear or actual GH instead...
Peptides are great to use and long as they are used PROPERLY. A lot of people fuck up with dosages and preparations along with ordering from shitty companies
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Peptides are great to use
Thanks, will avoid peptides from now on.
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Peptides are great to use and long as they are used PROPERLY. A lot of people fuck up with dosages and preparations along with ordering from shitty companies
I dont know anyone in the real world who has had results from them... we cant all be using them wrong or getting bunk, im talking competitor's and experienced users
Only in internet land do people praise them, when you grill them about results they mumble replys about sleeping better etc, all I care about is can I see or feel a difference or not, if not move on and forgett about it
Id love to see pics of improvements using soley peptides....
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Legit peptides work with the correct dosing and protocols. But their results are meager in comparison to aas and gh
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Is this something you drink?
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Legit peptides work with the correct dosing and protocols. But their results are meager in comparison to aas and gh
Bingo....you get results but its not Tren or D-Bol. I would put the results a little above that Methyl-1 Test I used to sell on Ebay.
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Legit peptides work with the correct dosing and protocols. But their results are meager in comparison to aas and gh
What are these results you speak of...what else where you running along side?
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They're great. The more u use the better the results.
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Total garbage... I've took them totaly clean of gear and they made zero impact on physique or training.. As little as a few iu of GH at least changes your body composition a little
My advice is to spend your money on gear or actual GH instead...
Have you checked growth hormone levels to know if that was even legit stuff?
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What are these results you speak of...what else where you running along side?
Ive experimented with them in various degrees. Ive used them soley in between a cycle before and kept more mass and better condition compared to when i went off completely
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I've been a 'tester' for probably 5-6 different pep companies, and had huge supplies of the stuff.
my experience/opinion?
I like igf1 preworkout. works fucking great. I use 100mcg per muscle trained.. sometimes up to 200mcg per muscle. keep in mind, most the studies on igf1 were using 13-20MG's! not mcg's per day. lol
I use ghrp2 primarily to make me hungry all day. a 500mcg dose in the am.. maybe 800mcg, and I'm thinking about food allllllll day. it does put some water on me and give me some fullness, even if I don't increase my food/kcal intake.
would I PAY for pep's? No. If I wasn't in the biz I'm in and actually had to budget for PED's, I'd spend my money on more AAS first, then gh second.
I'd rather keep test at 1g, and add tren up to 1500 and npp up to 1500 and methyltrienolone up to 2mg/day and dbol at 150 preworkout.. then add gh and cut the doses of everything by about 40%... gh along with lantus insulin at 15iu in the morning.
.... all that before I spent money on pep's.
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Thanks, will avoid peptides from now on.
lolz
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I've had excellent results with cjc + Ipamorelin 3-4x a day. When I first started them was before I ever touched gear, and it was at this time that I started first getting accused of using gear. Hair and nails grew like weeds so I'm sure my IGF levels were sky high. Always liked the cell volumising effect, but like anything, seemed to fade away when I would stop them.
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Why do people take all these weird steroids and growth hormones and change them up? Why not just do the same few things that were available in the 60s or 70s? Why the need for all this designer stuff, GH, Insulin, Petides, Tren and whatever hell else? It seems the average using gym rat in the 60s-70s looked much better than everyone today using boatloads of bullshit.
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Waste of bac water and slin pins!
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Bingo....you get results but its not Tren or D-Bol. I would put the results a little above that Methyl-1 Test I used to sell on Ebay.
M1T is one of the most powerful anabolic steroids ever marketed you fucking clueless moron...Exponentially more potent than Dianabol mg/mg.
You are so incredibly clueless...
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M1T is one of the most powerful anabolic steroids ever marketed you fucking clueless moron...Exponentially more potent than Dianabol mg/mg.
You are so incredibly clueless...
Have you seen pics of vince? I wouldnt even reply to his nonsense. He knows zero about anything in life
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Is this what recreational bodybuilding has become?
I'm going to rant.
I haven't used AAS or GH in years, but I see no point in peptides. It's foo-foo in terms of its effects on your physique, based on what everyone on the juice boards are reporting.
This leads to another problem: Some of you guys are reckless. If you're going to use, stick to the tried and true. Have a damn constitution about yourself. Like, I'm only going to use these compounds in these doses for this long. Either you got it or you don't. Most (if not all) of you clowns will never have it. What's the point in risking your health?
Oh yeah, I forgot. Stacking all this shit isn't deadly. And, you guys are actually making MONEY from your physiques on stage so that justifies it. Bullshit.
You all remind me more and more of addicts. Give a little, take it ALL. You need to check yourselves. What a disgrace.
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M1T is one of the most powerful anabolic steroids ever marketed you fucking clueless moron...Exponentially more potent than Dianabol mg/mg.
You are so incredibly clueless...
No the fuck it wasn't. No prohormone will ever match actual steroids....couldn't hold a light to D-Bol you D-Bag!
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For those saying you don't think anything of peptides you used fake or not consistently or shit genetics don't bother to read the literature showing big jumps in gh, up to 31 on a blood test after a cjc
I put them all in the same shot for convenience
this shot i have morning and night.
125mcg ghrp-6
125mcg cjc dac
75mcg mgf
after just over a month I have lost bf and kept bodyweight at 101, I was 100 at higher bf before peps and aas havent changed, added in 200 masteron to 500mg test so not enough to recomp me alone.
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No the fuck it wasn't. No prohormone will ever match actual steroids....couldn't hold a light to D-Bol you D-Bag!
You're so fucking stupid Vince It's not even funny how little you know about bodybuilding especially anabolics and that is why you have one of the shitiest looking physiques of all time on any bodybulding board. m1t superdrol hdrol epistane are all very very potent anabolic steroids that were taken off the merck index. They're anabolic steroids that didn't get approved bye the FDA but they're still extremely potent. Superdrol and m1t being more potent and effective than dbol or anadrol. Get a clue you stupid idiot.
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Bingo....you get results but its not Tren or D-Bol. I would put the results a little above that Methyl-1 Test I used to sell on Ebay.
You don't actually use gear Vince? I think you may be a non responder
to gear, training, diet
great responder to estrogen though
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You're so fucking stupid Vince It's not even funny how little you know about bodybuilding especially anabolics and that is why you have one of the shitiest looking physiques of all time on any bodybulding board. m1t superdrol hdrol epistane are all very very potent anabolic steroids that were taken off the merck index. They're anabolic steroids that didn't get approved bye the FDA but they're still extremely potent. Superdrol and m1t being more potent and effective than dbol or anadrol. Get a clue you stupid idiot.
But drol and dbol work far better and give better results.. No pros fuck around with Superdrol and M1t
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Pros used superdrol heavily when it was around
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But drol and dbol work far better and give better results.. No pros fuck around with Superdrol and M1t
Superdrol and m1t both give better gains. Please do some research or have some actualy experince before spouting shit like this. UGL are selling both of these. If you go on an actual AAS board you will see that they're very very potent anabolic steroids they just didn't get FDA approval. They were on the merck index. People just parrot stupid shit like what you just said. Even on gh15 highly regards superdrol and epistane.
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Superdrol and m1t both give better gains. Please do some research or have some actualy experince before spouting shit like this. UGL are selling both of these. If you go on an actual AAS board you will see that they're very very potent anabolic steroids they just didn't get FDA approval. They were on the merck index. People just parrot stupid shit like what you just said. Even on gh15 highly regards superdrol and epistane.
I've used American anadrol and every kind of dbol available. That Superdrol doesn't work better. I've done prep for a bunch of NPC competitors. Not one has ever used it or brought it up. Bodybuilding.com must be your source
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I've used American anadrol and every kind of dbol available. That Superdrol doesn't work better. I've done prep for a bunch of NPC competitors. Not one has ever used it or brought it up. Bodybuilding.com must be your source
Just because you and your small circle are un aware of something doesn't mean it's not there and doesn't work. Superdrol and m1t are way more potent mg for mg than dbol or anadrol. I've taken all of these drugs a long with many others, people report 10mg of superdrol is like take 30-50mg of dbol without the water between the skin and muscle. Well less water. You still get some water retention with SD but most goes into the muscle.
M1t I've never used but people report insane results with it. Only problem the lethargy can be a bit harsher.
The key point here is they're not "pro hormones" these are legit anabolic steroids. They just weren't appoved for medicinal puposes. They were close but didn't make it. Doesn't mean they aren't suited well for bodybuilders.
What Vince said was totally out in left field too.How can you compare one of the most potent oral anabolics too peptides.
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Just because you and your small circle are un aware of something doesn't mean it's not there and doesn't work. I've taken all of these drugs and no many that have and 10 mg of superdrol is like take 30-50mg of dbol without the water between the skin and muscle. Well less water. You still get some water retention with SD but most goes into the muscle.
M1t I've never used but people report insane results with it. Only problem the lethargy can be a bit harsher.
The key point here is they're not "pro hormones" these are legit anabolic steroids. They just weren't appoved for medicinal puposes. They were close but didn't make it. Doesn't mean they aren't suited well for bodybuilders.
What Vince said was totally out in left field too.How can you compare one of the most potent oral anabolics too peptides.
Two somewhat obscure glorified pro hormones are better than two of the main staples of steroid cycles for the last 30 yrs? Disgusted please let's hear your opinion on these silly claims. I use real steroids. I don't use UGLs either zero pros use that shit....... Guaranteed
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Two somewhat obscure glorified pro hormones are better than two of the main staples of steroid cycles for the last 30 yrs? Disgusted please let's hear your opinion on these silly claims. I use real steroids. I don't use UGLs either zero pros use that shit....... Guaranteed
Hey retard did you actually read the part about these two compounds being in merck index. They're anabolic steroids not pro hormones. Get your head out of your ass. Go on the steroid forum and you will see thread after thread about superdrol and even some about m1t. Go on an actual steroid forum and you will see a lot of information about these. A lot of competetiors use them. And no where did I say dbol and a drol aren't great. I would love to have some napoism dbols again. Good shit is hard to find. You actually have a better chance of getting real shit with designer steroids because a lot of them aren't coming from black market. Legit companies are making them who have access to good powders. You can actually have a product that is dosed correctly.
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Hey retard did you actually read the part about these two compounds being in merck index. They're anabolic steroids not pro hormones. Get your head out of your ass. Go on the steroid forum and you will see thread after thread about superdrol and even some about m1t. Go on an actual steroid forum and you will see a lot of information about these. A lot of competetiors use them. And no where did I say dbol and a drol aren't great. I would love to have some napoism dbols again. Good shit is hard to find. You actually have a better chance of getting real shit with designer steroids because a lot of them aren't coming from black market. Legit companies are making them who have access to good powders. You can actually have a product that is dosed correctly.
correct
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Two somewhat obscure glorified pro hormones are better than two of the main staples of steroid cycles for the last 30 yrs? Disgusted please let's hear your opinion on these silly claims. I use real steroids. I don't use UGLs either zero pros use that shit....... Guaranteed
They're methylated, oral anabolic steroids that require no conversion to any sort of steroid - they're already steroids. They're extremely androgenic, anabolic steroids.
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Two somewhat obscure glorified pro hormones are better than two of the main staples of steroid cycles for the last 30 yrs? Disgusted please let's hear your opinion on these silly claims. I use real steroids. I don't use UGLs either zero pros use that shit....... Guaranteed
Fuck me, you must be a real top 'guru' ::)
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Just because you and your small circle are un aware of something doesn't mean it's not there and doesn't work. Superdrol and m1t are way more potent mg for mg than dbol or anadrol. I've taken all of these drugs a long with many others, people report 10mg of superdrol is like take 30-50mg of dbol without the water between the skin and muscle. Well less water. You still get some water retention with SD but most goes into the muscle.
M1t I've never used but people report insane results with it. Only problem the lethargy can be a bit harsher.
The key point here is they're not "pro hormones" these are legit anabolic steroids. They just weren't appoved for medicinal puposes. They were close but didn't make it. Doesn't mean they aren't suited well for bodybuilders.
What Vince said was totally out in left field too.How can you compare one of the most potent oral anabolics too peptides.
I was referring to value...not active nature in comparing peptides to methyl prohormones. They are on a higher scale due of bodybuilding utilization. I made a lot of money with Methyl-1 Test but peptides are much more effective and cheaper to obtain for resell
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Lol
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I wonder what he said to his nipples to make them run away? :(
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That's what I'm going to look like in 15 years :-X
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people saying that M1T and superdrol are great steroids? better than "other" steroids?
lol
M1T giving "insane" results? you know who "reported" these "insane results"? tends to be guys with little other experience with actual steroids.
what is M1T? methylated testosterone? lol woopidy doo. 20mg pre day of M1T vs 20mg per day of test suspension, i'll take test suspension every time. it's freakin testosterone!
and superdrol being great? it's methylated masteron for fucks sake. nothing new there. if I want masteron, i'll do an injection 2-3x a week and save my liver enzymes for the other shit that doesn't have an injectable option.. such as methyltrienolone, dbol (something that doesn't make you lethargic/sluggish and feel downright toxic.. in fact, makes you feel the opposite), or anadrol.
and "gh15" didn't start pumping epistane until gh15 wasn't the "same" gh15 anymore and started shilling for other sources with an agenda.
I promote the fuck outta methyltrienolone, but I don't do it to draw in business for myself, nor do I act as a shill for it for other sources. I speak from personal experience and believe 100% it's the strongest oral anybody here will ever use.
if you're gonna say "Product X gives insane results, by far more powerfull than Product Y"... you'd better be speaking from personal experience... adequate personal experience. not just relaying what you'd read on other message boards.
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They're methylated, oral anabolic steroids that require no conversion to any sort of steroid - they're already steroids. They're extremely androgenic, anabolic steroids.
bingo.
i take two Methyl tren pills a day.....period..... and this is what I look like. not bragging, proving a point.
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Why do people take all these weird steroids and growth hormones and change them up? Why not just do the same few things that were available in the 60s or 70s? Why the need for all this designer stuff, GH, Insulin, Petides, Tren and whatever hell else? It seems the average using gym rat in the 60s-70s looked much better than everyone today using boatloads of bullshit.
well. its a long story TA.
i agree w you the physiques from the 70's did look better.
but it wasnt the drugs that made them look great. it was the dedication to everything revolving around training. 2 hour training sessions. pounding the muscle.
guys today that have access to all these vg compounds (gh and tren for example) dont look as impressive cause nobody trains hard anymore. we've become a nation of lazy trainers who rely on drugs instead of a nation of hardcore trainers in the 70's who used drugs to help them train harder. lol
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bingo.
i take two Methyl tren pills a day.....period..... and this is what I look like. not bragging, proving a point.
Why are you posting your herpes picture again?
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Bingo....you get results but its not Tren or D-Bol. I would put the results a little above that Methyl-1 Test I used to sell on Ebay.
haha I remember when M1t was legal DC said its effects were equivalent to creatine.
Meanwhile 95% of the other reviewers disagreed. They praised m1t as one of the greatest orals ever for muscle gains.
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Why are you posting your herpes picture again?
Simon still crying I owned his his shitty arm pic I see.
we're having a discussion here, anything to add besides you usual bleeding vagina posts ?
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Simon still crying I owned his his shitty arm pic I see.
we're having a discussion here, anything to add besides you usual bleeding vagina posts ?
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This conversation needs some perspective....
I'll say it again, If you're a seasoned natty and begin a peptide cycle, the results will be insane.
If you've been plugging 3g a week of real anabolics, the effects are of course going to be negligible in comparison. Doesn't mean they aren't still jacking up your IGF levels as evidenced by blood work and studies but lets not lose our common sense here and say "cjc wasn't as powerful as my Dbol, must be bunk" lol.
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I was referring to value...not active nature in comparing peptides to methyl prohormones. They are on a higher scale due of bodybuilding utilization. I made a lot of money with Methyl-1 Test but peptides are much more effective and cheaper to obtain for resell
No you werent.
You thought the peptides worked better. You backtracking fag.
How have you been a business man for years, yet you still are so happy when you have enough money left over for shrimp scampi from a bag?
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that won't work, unless your boyfriend gave you something
you need this
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neither one will make your shitty arms any better 8)
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This conversation needs some perspective....
I'll say it again, If you're a seasoned natty and begin a peptide cycle, the results will be insane.
If you've been plugging 3g a week of real anabolics, the effects are of course going to be negligible in comparison. Doesn't mean they aren't still jacking up your IGF levels as evidenced by blood work and studies but lets not lose our common sense here and say "cjc wasn't as powerful as my Dbol, must be bunk" lol.
That's the thing dude, Like another poster said...whenever peptides are discussed, it's always an abstract conversation, never any hard info, results pics, etc.
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neither one will make your shitty arms any better 8)
they dont know the principle of the mind telling the body what to look like
always looking for new drugs
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bingo.
i take two Methyl tren pills a day.....period..... and this is what I look like. not bragging, proving a point.
(http://drcercone.pbworks.com/f/liver_damage.gif)
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they dont know the principle of the mind telling the body what to look like
always looking for new drugs
If Simon's mind is telling his body what to look like, he must subconsciously want to be a Giraffe
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If Simon's mind is telling his body what to look like, he must subconsciously want to be a Giraffe
as for me i picture a lightpole with big arms
so far it works ;D
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as for me i picture a lightpole with big arms
so far it works ;D
you have a great build dude. your arms destroy simons...no contest.
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No you werent.
You thought the peptides worked better. You backtracking fag.
How have you been a business man for years, yet you still are so happy when you have enough money left over for shrimp scampi from a bag?
I do believe peptides work better than ANY prohormone and most importantly it sells a whole lot better than prohormones and its much easier to obtain.
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Hey retard did you actually read the part about these two compounds being in merck index. They're anabolic steroids not pro hormones. Get your head out of your ass. Go on the steroid forum and you will see thread after thread about superdrol and even some about m1t. Go on an actual steroid forum and you will see a lot of information about these. A lot of competetiors use them. And no where did I say dbol and a drol aren't great. I would love to have some napoism dbols again. Good shit is hard to find. You actually have a better chance of getting real shit with designer steroids because a lot of them aren't coming from black market. Legit companies are making them who have access to good powders. You can actually have a product that is dosed correctly.
Please repeat Merck index again. It makes you think you have a bunch of knowledge. I have always gotten real quality shit. I don't have to fuck around with glorified supps,junk peptides or UGLs. I don't put child's garbage in my body. You stated Superdrol and M1T were better than the old standbys ::). Yeah sorry. Go buy youself a Llewlyn book
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I do believe peptides work better than ANY prohormone and most importantly it sells a whole lot better than prohormones and its much easier to obtain.
Well, dildo, you are completely and 100% wrong.
Your knowledge of bodybuilding and supplementation speaks for itself though.... doesnt it?
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people saying that M1T and superdrol are great steroids? better than "other" steroids?
lol
M1T giving "insane" results? you know who "reported" these "insane results"? tends to be guys with little other experience with actual steroids.
what is M1T? methylated testosterone? lol woopidy doo. 20mg pre day of M1T vs 20mg per day of test suspension, i'll take test suspension every time. it's freakin testosterone!
and superdrol being great? it's methylated masteron for fucks sake. nothing new there. if I want masteron, i'll do an injection 2-3x a week and save my liver enzymes for the other shit that doesn't have an injectable option.. such as methyltrienolone, dbol (something that doesn't make you lethargic/sluggish and feel downright toxic.. in fact, makes you feel the opposite), or anadrol.
and "gh15" didn't start pumping epistane until gh15 wasn't the "same" gh15 anymore and started shilling for other sources with an agenda.
I promote the fuck outta methyltrienolone, but I don't do it to draw in business for myself, nor do I act as a shill for it for other sources. I speak from personal experience and believe 100% it's the strongest oral anybody here will ever use.
if you're gonna say "Product X gives insane results, by far more powerfull than Product Y"... you'd better be speaking from personal experience... adequate personal experience. not just relaying what you'd read on other message boards.
Thank you.
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I had results. I train naturally from a teenager until 35 when I decided to try PEDs, I tried peptides as my first foray into the dark side. ghrp2 and cjc.
Training naturally the gains had slowed down to a crawl (hence trying peptides). I gained significant amounts of new muscle and took my physique to the next level of development. I concluded that they work for me at least. Maybe they wont work on someone who has a physique that requires 1 gram of anabolics to maintain their muscle mass.
Here's an example of what peptides did for another guy, according to his log he had gain 18 lbs of body weight in 54 days of peptide usage.
The following photo is from day 1 to day 72. Looks like he gained muscle and lost body fat to me.
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huge change.
awesome.
i agree w what a lot of you are saying here too- the guy whos run gh and moderate cycles prolly wont notice a lot out of peptides other than the pump and fullness which i noticed as well. but i'd rather spend that $$ and build tissue than pay for a pump, and in a way, thats all gh does as well. gh will make you very round and look great but if you go off, that look goes as well.
im going to edit this post and say there was some anabolics usage in there as well. id have a very hard time believing this was strictly peptides.
regardless, guy made a huge change and looks great.
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Thank you.
fuck off blaha
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fuck off blaha
Yeah sure that's me you fuckin c u n t
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fuck off blaha
I know right I thought efs fitness new a little more than this. I use to take ten mg of supedrol for a few days in the summer time before the weekend and it would completely transform my look. It blows dbols away. If I was holding water it would put it all in the right spots it just drives everything right into the muscles. If I was dry it would fill me up. Only thing I don't like about them they're harsh but so are most orals. I can't even ten mg of dbols anymore without it crushing my appetite or mood. I just avoid all of them.
If I was making money off my body or competing that would be different. I would have no problem feeling lethargic for a few weeks. Add supreme or m1t would both be awesome precontest or before a shoot.
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love ghrp6, cheap and allowed me to actually finish my meals.
gived some fullness that I don't have without too
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I know right I thought efs fitness new a little more than this. I use to take ten mg of supedrol for a few days in the summer time before the weekend and it would completely transform my look. It blows dbols away. If I was holding water it would put it all in the right spots it just drives everything right into the muscles. If I was dry it would fill me up. Only thing I don't like about them they're harsh but so are most orals. I can't even ten mg of dbols anymore without it crushing my appetite or mood. I just avoid all of them.
If I was making money off my body or competing that would be different. I would have no problem feeling lethargic for a few weeks. Add supreme or m1t would both be awesome precontest or before a shoot.
I would take it before the weekend? Trying to get your club pump on junior? Did you train arms before clubbing too?
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Please repeat Merck index again. It makes you think you have a bunch of knowledge. I have always gotten real quality shit. I don't have to fuck around with glorified supps,junk peptides or UGLs. I don't put child's garbage in my body. You stated Superdrol and M1T were better than the old standbys ::). Yeah sorry. Go buy youself a Llewlyn book
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Funny thing is you have probably never tried any of them or talked to anyone so your opinion really doesn't mean Jack shit. I stay on test and deca I love the old stand byes but I acknowledge when something is good and these orals are very good.
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Funny thing is you have probably never tried any of them or talked to anyone so your opinion really doesn't mean Jack shit. I stay on test and deca I love the old stand byes but I acknowledge when something is good and these orals are very good.
Funny thing is I don't use deca. I have real quality supplies. American test script. Multiple GH kits etc. back of the line club pumper. I only jumped your shit when you said they were BETTER than real drol and dbol
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Funny thing is I don't use deca. I have real quality supplies. American test script. Multiple GH kits etc. back of the line club pumper.
Well your a lucky guy aren't you. Just hear me out next time you get some supplies ask your guy for a pack of ten mg superdrol. Take ten mg for a couple of days. I promise you will be extremely impressed. I'm not bullshitting.
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bingo.
i take two Methyl tren pills a day.....period..... and this is what I look like. not bragging, proving a point.
I thought that tren was something you injected and not pills.
I are confused. ???
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I had results. I train naturally from a teenager until 35 when I decided to try PEDs, I tried peptides as my first foray into the dark side. ghrp2 and cjc.
Training naturally the gains had slowed down to a crawl (hence trying peptides). I gained significant amounts of new muscle and took my physique to the next level of development. I concluded that they work for me at least. Maybe they wont work on someone who has a physique that requires 1 gram of anabolics to maintain their muscle mass.
Here's an example of what peptide only cycle did for another guy, according to his log he had gain 18 lbs of body weight in 54 days of peptide usage.
The following photo is from day 1 to day 72. Looks like he gained muscle and lost body fat to me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/neonlizard/fullend.jpg)
Good to hear. I'm in the same boat as you. Until 2 weeks ago, I hadn't tried anything other than a PH about 7-8 years ago that didn't do much at all. I'm now 30 and still work out hard but gains have really slowed down the past 2-3 years, and it started feeling like a waste of time busting my ass just to basically maintain what I already had. I'm on day 15 of sermorelin, ghrp-2 and 6 and hoping to see some gains in the next few months. I might post some pics if I get some good results.
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I would take it before the weekend? Trying to get your club pump on junior? Did you train arms before clubbing too?
I repeat, fuck off blaha.
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Good to hear. I'm in the same boat as you. Until 2 weeks ago, I hadn't tried anything other than a PH about 7-8 years ago that didn't do much at all. I'm now 30 and still work out hard but gains have really slowed down the past 2-3 years, and it started feeling like a waste of time busting my ass just to basically maintain what I already had. I'm on day 15 of sermorelin, ghrp-2 and 6 and hoping to see some gains in the next few months. I might post some pics if I get some good results.
Keep us updated bro.
Do a review in the steroids subforum when ready.
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I do believe peptides work better than ANY prohormone and most importantly it sells a whole lot better than prohormones and its much easier to obtain.
I love peps but this is a horrendously inaccurate statement.
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I had results. I train naturally from a teenager until 35 when I decided to try PEDs, I tried peptides as my first foray into the dark side. ghrp2 and cjc.
Training naturally the gains had slowed down to a crawl (hence trying peptides). I gained significant amounts of new muscle and took my physique to the next level of development. I concluded that they work for me at least. Maybe they wont work on someone who has a physique that requires 1 gram of anabolics to maintain their muscle mass.
Here's an example of what peptide only cycle did for another guy, according to his log he had gain 18 lbs of body weight in 54 days of peptide usage.
The following photo is from day 1 to day 72. Looks like he gained muscle and lost body fat to me.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/neonlizard/fullend.jpg)
This is similiar to my experience but def not 18 lbs.....maybe 10 lbs for me
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I love peps but this is a horrendously inaccurate statement.
Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature. Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.
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Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature. Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.
Agreed....except you stated that "they work better" which is completely false according to anyone who has used both.
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Peptides in their current state are not illegal to own by nature. Prohormones however will give you the exact same penalties as anabolic steroids....so they are easier to obtain.
WTF are you talking about you dumbshit.
You said they were more effective.
And a lot of PH's are still legal.
You lose again.
At this argument, and life.
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Peptides i do not like. Ghrp6 is good for appetite but any others ive used had no effect. Maybe we get shit here i dunno. Superdrol is one of my favourite things to use. Harsh as fuck on my stomach but within a week your physique changes. Far better in my opinion than dbol or anadrol. And i know my gear
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This conversation needs some perspective....
I'll say it again, If you're a seasoned natty and begin a peptide cycle, the results will be insane.
If you've been plugging 3g a week of real anabolics, the effects are of course going to be negligible in comparison. Doesn't mean they aren't still jacking up your IGF levels as evidenced by blood work and studies but lets not lose our common sense here and say "cjc wasn't as powerful as my Dbol, must be bunk" lol.
I am making progress on 700mg Test-e and 300 mast with my peptide stack of ghrp ,cjc dac and mgf when i've used 1g test and 400 deca before , I feel the combo of peps and lower AAS is the reason for this and the lower AAS alone wouldn't be giving me much progress as i've used more before.
and for anyone saying they used peptides alone or when off-cycle and didn't do shit, obviously not. GH alone doesnt build muscle its been shown, peptides will work only alongside a cycle so dont expect much if you are cruising or off and just like with GH it takes months to see benefits not a week or a month.
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WTF are you talking about you dumbshit.
You said they were more effective.
And a lot of PH's are still legal.
You lose again.
At this argument, and life.
No, dipshit. All prohormones are illegal...there's just some companies that are selling them which is basically waving your dick in from of the feds. If they weren't so busy with other affairs like terrorists then all of these companies would be shut down. That's why I don't sell them anymore
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Agreed....except you stated that "they work better" which is completely false according to anyone who has used both.
???
Well, the range of prohormones are pretty wide in terms of effectiveness. I've just seen better results out of peptides with less problems like liver toxicity and gyno. Honestly, I don't have a high regard for prohormones anymore because they are now illegal...you're better off getting real gear because the penalties and risk are the same.
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Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....
I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.
Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.
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Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....
I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.
Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.
I don't care what studies or what graphs show, I still don't know anyone in the real world who rates them, and I know a good few bodybuilders
We all ran igflr when it 1st came on the UK scene, it was good for a pump, so at least you got somthing from it. Obviously the tanning jabs work wonders
As for run in GH on its own, I have done this and I did feel a very noticable difference in physique, even on very low dose
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For those using Superdrol as an example of a prohormone...Superdrol is a real steroid. It was able to be sold legally because it was never commerically marketed and sold thus bypassing the federal laws. That's the same argument being used for other products out on the market. They simply just dig through old pharm books and find stuff.
The only problem is that a lot of that stuff was not sold because it was way too fucking dangerous. Superdrol will really fuck with your liver....not worth using.
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Peptides work. If they don't work for you then you're using a shit company and / or your genetics blow.
And Vince knows what he's talking about. Not sure why he gets so much shit. Lol.
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Peptides are nothing compared to real gear (you would have to be an idiot to compare HGH secretagogues to gear anyways) but a good deal money wise for good results in the long term. Recovery time is improved and for athletes, it helps with the connective tissues a lot. Just don't expect a massive growth if you use them alone but good, steady gains and faster recovery time. Some peeps did a blod test while using GHRP-6 and found it to be equivalent to 6 IU's of HGH... It was on a uk based muscle forum....
I don't have pics or whatever because I'm more of an athlete than anything else and have achieved a swimmers physique (what most women are attracted to) but I can easily add one or two training session (plyos or agility drills) per week when using GHRP2 and CJC without DAC without pain or overtraining.
Good for athletes, not for bodybuilders imo.
HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.
As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant. The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights. The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting. Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide. You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used. Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.
Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc
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HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.
As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant. The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights. The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting. Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide. You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used. Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.
Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc
Dude fuck off, you don't have any real world experience to base your bullshit theories on....
Science is not always applicable IRL
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Dude fuck off, you don't have any real world experience to base your bullshit theories on....
Science is not always applicable IRL
Goes to show how much you fucking know.....I was one of the first people that brought peptides to the states back in 2002...you can go through the Muscle Mayhem and Getbig archives to where I was talking about "The Magic Stick". My supplier in China threw in a sample of IGF R3 fragment in with my order of ephedrine powder. The Chinese are the most generous bunch of people around. They gave me a whole kilo on androstenione just in hopes of me buying a drum of it. When it came to getting supplies, I always went to "Big Red" So shut the fuck up about "real world experience" I was doing the damn thing when you were still trick or treating and playing with GI Joes...
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Goes to show how much you fucking know.....I was one of the first people that brought peptides to the states back in 2002...you can go through the Muscle Mayhem and Getbig archives to where I was talking about "The Magic Stick". My supplier in China threw in a sample of IGF R3 fragment in with my order of ephedrine powder. The Chinese are the most generous bunch of people around. They gave me a whole kilo on androstenione just in hopes of me buying a drum of it. When it came to getting supplies, I always went to "Big Red" So shut the fuck up about "real world experience" I was doing the damn thing when you were still trick or treating and playing with GI Joes...
I'm not talking about the business side. Im talking about results physically...
Business side you fucking suck too. Obviously. Been in the business for 10+ years and you're still below the poverty line.
Nothing wrong with being poor, and I would never hold that against you, but don't try and pretend like you know anything, about anything.
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there are guys with igf1 'scores' of over 400 using (I believe) 8mg/wk of cjc/dac, and over 600 using 15mg cjc/dac per wk along with mk at 25mg/day.
now, without using huperzine a and such, the levels drop into the 200's, but that's still a large bump in igf1, considering normal 'high' is around 250 I believe.
personally, I'm not a fan of cjc since it gives me a huge, uncomfortable head rush/flush that makes my eyes feel like they're gonna pop out so I believe the most I used was around 4mg/wk in 1 dose (didn't feel like suffering through that crap twice a week.. let alone everyday, as with cjc w/o dac).
it's worth mentioning, though, that the guys that promote 'great results' from peps, also happen to be owners or reps of pep companies and could easily afford and use actual, real gh and attribute their high testing results to peps.
I don't see a lot of 'normal' people running 10+mg/wk of cjc along with ghrp, since it'd cost as much, if not more than just using Chinese generic gh.
save some money, and stick to a gram of test, 200mg tren ace and/or 300mg npp a couple times a week, along with 1mg/day methyltrienolone per day and 100mg dbol preworkout.. and add in a couple 5iu doses of Chinese gh per day (and maybe a 15iu dose of lantus insulin in the morning).
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I'm not talking about the business side. Im talking about results physically...
Business side you fucking suck too. Obviously. Been in the business for 10+ years and you're still below the poverty line.
Nothing wrong with being poor, and I would never hold that against you, but don't try and pretend like you know anything, about anything.
I'm in the middle class...not even close to the poverty line. I'm just extremely frugal with my money because I lost it all in 2007 when I was laid off. I invest more in property, stocks, and business ventures so my money works for me instead of sitting around collecting no interest and having to pay higher taxes.
As far my physique is concerned, I competed as a hobby....never wanted or needed to be 260 pounds ripped. I prefer to maintain a natural physique and keep my liver and kidneys....that's why I tell people to avoid products like Superdrol
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I'm in the middle class...not even close to the poverty line. I'm just extremely frugal with my money because I lost it all in 2007 when I was laid off. I invest more in property, stocks, and business ventures so my money works for me instead of sitting around collecting no interest and having to pay higher taxes.
As far my physique is concerned, I competed as a hobby....never wanted or needed to be 260 pounds ripped. I prefer to maintain a natural physique and keep my liver and kidneys....that's why I tell people to avoid products like Superdrol
Oh ok.
You kept yourself out of good shape... for your health.... ok, copy that....
Arent you just shy of being morbidly obese?
I bet the hormone stints I have done are far less hazardous than walking around 100lbs obese.
You need to understand one thing, Vince, you are dead wrong... you are the most delusional person I have ever heard of.
You will find that my logic is infallible.
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Oh ok.
You kept yourself out of good shape... for your health.... ok, copy that....
Arent you just shy of being morbidly obese?
I bet the hormone stints I have done are far less hazardous than walking around 100lbs obese.
You need to understand one thing, Vince, you are dead wrong... you are the most delusional person I have ever heard of.
You will find that my logic is infallible.
I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight
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I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight
well good work.
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there are guys with igf1 'scores' of over 400 using (I believe) 8mg/wk of cjc/dac, and over 600 using 15mg cjc/dac per wk along with mk at 25mg/day.
now, without using huperzine a and such, the levels drop into the 200's, but that's still a large bump in igf1, considering normal 'high' is around 250 I believe.
personally, I'm not a fan of cjc since it gives me a huge, uncomfortable head rush/flush that makes my eyes feel like they're gonna pop out so I believe the most I used was around 4mg/wk in 1 dose (didn't feel like suffering through that crap twice a week.. let alone everyday, as with cjc w/o dac).
it's worth mentioning, though, that the guys that promote 'great results' from peps, also happen to be owners or reps of pep companies and could easily afford and use actual, real gh and attribute their high testing results to peps.
I don't see a lot of 'normal' people running 10+mg/wk of cjc along with ghrp, since it'd cost as much, if not more than just using Chinese generic gh.
save some money, and stick to a gram of test, 200mg tren ace and/or 300mg npp a couple times a week, along with 1mg/day methyltrienolone per day and 100mg dbol preworkout.. and add in a couple 5iu doses of Chinese gh per day (and maybe a 15iu dose of lantus insulin in the morning).
I agree with most of your post (as usual) except I will say that a vial of cjc and Ipamorelin per week yielded greater results for me than 4IU of some yellow tops I tried. Hair and nails grew faster and better pumps off of the peptides compared to the Chinese stuff. Just my observation...
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I was sick and put on some weight but now that I've been better, I've been back to training and dieting so I've lost a ton of weight
What was your health problem bro? I didn't know you were "sick" sick
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What was your health problem bro? I didn't know you were "sick" sick
Kidney Stones...a lot of them :P
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Kidney Stones...a lot of them :P
Not fun stuff.....be well Melvin
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HGH secretagogues will only give you better sleep at most...something that you can use meletonin for....but don't compare them to peptides.
As far as they are good for athletes and bodybuilders is not relevant. The training for a sprint athlete other than running is plenty of time hitting the weights. The body is not going to know the difference between a person training for bodybuilding and one training for spinting. Its still going to be breaking down muscle to which a shot of GHRP will expedite your recovery time and rebuild that muscle which is the purpose of that particular peptide. You have to use a supplement at the time it needs to be used. Its like taking aspirin when you don't even have a headache.
Do the research and purchase what you need based on your goals whether its off-season, contest, bulking up, maintaining, etc
Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue
As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm
The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.
Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.
Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256
So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)
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Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue
As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm
The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.
Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.
Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256
So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)
I said not to compare the ones sold by MHP and Swanson for 49 bucks to GHRP......an injectable will almost always be more effective than an oral product.
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I said not to compare the ones sold by MHP and Swanson for 49 bucks to GHRP......an injectable will almost always be more effective than an oral product.
Yeah... o.k. ::)
GHRP with COA from independent lab will set you back a whooping 20 bucks for 5 mg (50 100 mcg doses). I don't see why you are dismissing a product selling for 49$ when the one you are raving about costs the same....
Some oral secretagogues work even better than injected ones:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19174493
Also Ibutamoren (that can be found for around 60$ on reputable sites):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8768828?dopt=Abstract
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167494310002530
Here is the site for ghrp
http://www.ceretropic.com/ghrp-2-solution/
For Ibutamoren:
http://www.tht.co/physical-and-metabolic/ibutamoren
So again, your arguments are not valid my friend.
Sleep well!
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did not read anything in this thread, but the only way to know is to take an IGF1 test @ privatemdlabs or similar after using them for a month.
no IGF1 increase = no they don't work.
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I agree with most of your post (as usual) except I will say that a vial of cjc and Ipamorelin per week yielded greater results for me than 4IU of some yellow tops I tried. Hair and nails grew faster and better pumps off of the peptides compared to the Chinese stuff. Just my observation...
this peaks my curiosity. i may try them again.
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this peaks my curiosity. i may try them again.
Downside is the 4 doses per day of peps, VS the 2 doses per day of the yellow tops (post workout and before bed.)
I can't be fucked with anymore to pin 4x a day. But, that's what gave me results.
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I have been using IGF LR3 and that shit works. I have been off cycle for 10 weeks and have actually gained muscle from running IGF with my pct.
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Downside is the 4 doses per day of peps, VS the 2 doses per day of the yellow tops (post workout and before bed.)
I can't be fucked with anymore to pin 4x a day. But, that's what gave me results.
Yeah fuck that.
I hated pinning melanotan twice a day.
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For those using Superdrol as an example of a prohormone...Superdrol is a real steroid. It was able to be sold legally because it was never commerically marketed and sold thus bypassing the federal laws. That's the same argument being used for other products out on the market. They simply just dig through old pharm books and find stuff.
The only problem is that a lot of that stuff was not sold because it was way too fucking dangerous. Superdrol will really fuck with your liver....not worth using.
Then don't take Superdrol.
this is what I take.
it's not a C-17 alpha, it's not double methyl bonded. it's no more toxic than halodrol 50 was. but it works.
i always stay abreast of the ps/designer world. here's the thing. wer'e ALL at the mercy of whoever is formulating this stuff. there are no regulations or good manufacturing standards. Nobody truly knows what they are putting into their body 100% FOR SURE. Ph's get a bad rap. at least I get the same results from each bottle I buy.
When i was a tren fiend, every vial was a crapshoot.
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love ghrp6, cheap and allowed me to actually finish my meals.
gived some fullness that I don't have without too
Go for 300 NPP, 300 of EQ, 300 deca, 60 anvar. No Test...that stack worked for me better than the GH, peptides shit.
GH is perfect , however, the looks is very temporary ...
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Dude, GHRP IS a secretagogue. By definition a secretagogue is a substance that makes your gland secrete an hormone... So it is fair to compare them to peptides because most of the peptides you mention are also... secretagogue!!! CJC is also called GHRH 1-29 or GHRF (growth hormone releasing hormone or factor) and GHRP-2 or 6 (growth hormone release peptide). They are in fact both secretagogue...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/secretagogue
As for bodybuilding versus athletes training, your arguments are invalid. There is a saturation dose when using GHRP or CJC. That limits the number of uses in a given day AND, since bodybuilders need really high amount of GH to produce muscles (I've heard of 4 to 8 ius a day but it is mainly bro science), peptides won't work for that purpose besides maybe recomping. But for an athlete that might use help in recovering his muscle but, most importantly, his connective tissues (tendons, joints etc...), peptides even with their limitations of saturation doses are a great help. Bodybuilders have very different needs with their connective tissues so a small GH pulse might not be all that helpful to them.... Read Victor Conte protocol for sprinter and you will see that anabolics play only a small role for them whereas a bodybuilder has very different needs and uses anabolic as a staple in his "stack".... You will also see that the amount of HGH used for athletes is relatively small (4,5 iu 3 times a week, not daily) which is about what peptides can give you....following a good protocol.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/olympics/athletics/7403158.stm
The training protocol of sprinter (and most athletes) has heavy weight training only in the offseason. Pre-season, most switch to ballistics, plyos, explosive movements, intervals, and you know sprinting and such. The "muscle tears" from that type of training is heaps and bounds different from the muscle tear while weight training for hypertrophy. If anything the Central Nervous System is taxed way more than the muscle. Even tendons responsible for the stretch reflex are more taxed by that type of training. Guess what? Anabolics are next to useless for tendons (ever heard of a winstrol injury..?). HGH really helps for connective tissues.
Your last phrase is also invalid: the half life of all peptides is ridicululously short (except for CJC with DAC) and your GH pulse will only last 3 hours at best. But you won't recover fully from your workout in that period. You recover in between workouts. So using peptides only on training days is far from optimal.
Here are some scientific articles to help you out a bit:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0196978197000168
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1043276098001167
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0026049597901748
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jcem.75.2.1379256
So yeah, I did my research, in fact this is what I'm paid to do :-)
Broscience alert!
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Broscience alert!
Yeah the Journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism is bro science for sure ::)
Good luck with Ebola you plebian!