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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: the trainer on October 17, 2014, 08:20:21 AM
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I started working out this morning at 5am doing shoulders and calves and when I finished it was 7am, now it makes me wonder about you guys who finish your workout in 45 min, there is no way you are working out hard unless you are doing HIT, you are kidding yourself in the gym which is why you dont see progress.
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How much do you rest between your sets?
45min is plenty if you got the intensity dialed in.
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cool story brah
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How much do you rest between your sets?
45min is plenty if you got the intensity dialed in.
If you are lifting very heavy for 8 reps and doing high volume you cannot finish in 45 min unless you are doing some kind of crossfit light weight training with very little rest between sets.
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Less than 30, always, not counting 10-15 min warm-up. All comes down to between-set rest.
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If you are lifting very heavy for 8 reps and doing high volume you cannot finish in 45 min unless you are doing some kind of crossfit light weight training with very little rest between sets.
As I said, it all depends on how much you rest between the sets. Even with 50% downtime in resting you still have 22.5 min left for exercising, which should be enough for 22 solid sets.
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Generally takes me about 30 min and that's with doing basically three specific bodyparts each workout (sometimes 4 to 5 when doing abs/calves). It is all about rest period as has already been said and supersets sometimes.
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As I said, it all depends on how much you rest between the sets. Even with 50% downtime in resting you still have 22.5 min left for exercising, which should be enough for 22 solid sets.
Can you do this in 45 min going very heavy.
5 sets seated dumbbell press
5 sets barbell front raises
5 sets side laterals
5 sets rear laterals
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets dumbbell shrugs
4 sets neck plate resistance face up
4 sets neck plate resistance face down
5 sets of seated calf raises
5 sets of standing calf raises
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I tend to train for 2 hours. I don't like to rush between sets.
But believe me; I can bust out a 45 minute workout if I have a tight schedule.
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Can you do this in 45 min going very heavy.
5 sets seated dumbbell press
5 sets barbell front raises
5 sets side laterals
5 sets rear laterals
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets dumbbell shrugs
4 sets neck plate resistance face up
4 sets neck plate resistance face down
5 sets of seated calf raises
5 sets of standing calf raises
No way, but that many sets is ridiculous, and only possible if you're resting several minutes in between. In which case: why?
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Can you do this in 45 min going very heavy.
5 sets seated dumbbell press
5 sets barbell front raises
5 sets side laterals
5 sets rear laterals
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets dumbbell shrugs
4 sets neck plate resistance face up
4 sets neck plate resistance face down
5 sets of seated calf raises
5 sets of standing calf raises
Probably not, but I don't see the point in doing 35+ sets either. :-\
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No way, but that many sets is ridiculous, and only possible if you're resting several minutes in between. In which case: why?
Its called high volume training that is what bodybuilders in the 70s and 80s use to do and it worked very well for them they look better than the bodybuilders of today.
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Can you do this in 45 min going very heavy.
5 sets seated dumbbell press
5 sets barbell front raises
5 sets side laterals
5 sets rear laterals
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets dumbbell shrugs
4 sets neck plate resistance face up
4 sets neck plate resistance face down
5 sets of seated calf raises
5 sets of standing calf raises
I did back and shoulders the other day
warm up with resistance bands
Two warm up sets of machine pulldowns then loaded it to 120kilos
repped out, stopped 10 seconds then repped out again quick pause and repped out again, did that twice
Next Lat pulldowns
80k same as machine with resistance band work between sets.
Reverse pec deck for rear delts 80kilo2 drop sets
machine press 2 drop sets supersetted with resistance band side laterals.
Done in 25 minutes tops
Wet through and gassed.
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1 hour tops is enough for 1 muscle group even large ones. A workout with so many exercises and overlap is not needed.
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Its called high volume training that is what bodybuilders in the 70s and 80s use to do and it worked very well for them they look better than the bodybuilders of today.
Everyone knows what it's called, and I agree most of those guys looked better than anyone today. But Haney and Labrada looked fantastic as well, and they weren't buying it.
Bottom line, though, even if it's merely comparable, wouldn't you rather spend less time for similar results? I mean, you're gonna be back tomorrow.
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I did back and shoulders the other day
warm up with resistance bands
Two warm up sets of machine pulldowns then loaded it to 120kilos
repped out, stopped 10 seconds then repped out again quick pause and repped out again, did that twice
Next Lat pulldowns
80k same as machine with resistance band work between sets.
Reverse pec deck for rear delts 80kilo2 drop sets
machine press 2 drop sets supersetted with resistance band side laterals.
Done in 25 minutes tops
Wet through and gassed.
So you are doing a form for HIT training, there are two ways to train HIT or high volume, with high volume there are no rest pause, force reps etc you go to failure rest then go again, but if you are training for 30 min and not doing force reps etc then you are not stimulating the muscles hard enough.
The advantage of high volume training is that you can hit the muscles from so many angles since you are doing a lot of sets, you cannot do that with HIT.
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I tend to train for 2 hours. I don't like to rush between sets.
But believe me; I can bust out a 45 minute workout if I have a tight schedule.
This.
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So you are doing a form for HIT training, there are two ways to train HIT or high volume, with high volume there are no rest pause, force reps etc you go to failure rest then go again, but if you are training for 30 min and not doing force reps etc then you are not stimulating the muscles hard enough.
The advantage of high volume training is that you can hit the muscles from so many angles since you are doing a lot of sets, you cannot do that with HIT.
Yet you look so bad you wont post a pic.
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How long should this take?
5 sets Squats
5 sets Bench
5 sets Bent Rows
5 sets Military Presses
3 sets barbell curls
3 sets lying tricep extensions.
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Idiot ::)
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If you are lifting very heavy for 8 reps and doing high volume you cannot finish in 45 min unless you are doing some kind of crossfit light weight training with very little rest between sets.
the bolded is an oxymoron, moron
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lol trainer is a fucking moron
even mr . Olympia trains for 45-1 hour
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45 min is plenty of time unless I'm doing cardio.
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lol trainer is a fucking moron
even mr . Olympia trains for 45-1 hour
This Mr Olympia worked out over 2 hours daily 6 days per week, bodybuilders these days are a bunch of pussies they just walk from machine to machine looking half asleep they cant handle hardcore training.
(http://www.fitnessmodelworld.com/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_workout/Quad_And_Ham_work_out/images/SQUATS8_jpg.jpg)
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No reason to take more then a hour and around 4 working exercises per body part. If you need more volume do extra sets... 2hrs for shoulders is fucking stupid
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No reason to take more then a hour and around 4 working exercises per body part. If you need more volume do extra sets... 2hrs for shoulders is fucking stupid
(http://s28.postimg.org/5h6nstblp/51j_MNV5d_Ih_L_SX258_BO1_204_203_200.jpg)
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at the most, 55 minutes max for me. after a warmup, each set is taken to failure, with only 90 seconds rest between sets. i always wear a watch, so im timing each set.
moving very fast, im in a complete sweat after 30 minutes, almost exhausted after 50 minutes. cant even say goodbye to my buddies at the gym. to fucking tired
to even talk. why would i want to do 5 sets of everything? three sets max if you are hitting it hard. i want to go home and eat. 2 hours in the gym?? no thanks, too much internet
porn to look at. and of course get big
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at the most, 55 minutes max for me. after a warmup, each set is taken to failure, with only 90 seconds rest between sets. i always wear a watch, so im timing each set.
moving very fast, im in a complete sweat after 30 minutes, almost exhausted after 50 minutes. cant even say goodbye to my buddies at the gym. to fucking tired
to even talk. why would i want to do 5 sets of everything? three sets max if you are hitting it hard. i want to go home and eat. 2 hours in the gym?? no thanks, too much internet
porn to look at. and of course get big
That is my point you and most of these guys here are too mentally weak to train that long, you are dying after only one hour, if you where to train legs with me you would most likely pass out and be taken to the hospital.
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No way, but that many sets is ridiculous, and only possible if you're resting several minutes in between. In which case: why?
Lack of gainful employment?
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Lack of gainful employment?
Requirement, it would seem.
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can you lift like this?http://youtu.be/TP6hQyLtS38
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Can't lift like that natty unless you are really young and able to recover fast. Used to lift like that, mixed all bodyparts 3 or 4 times a week....but got older and working lots of hours and couldn't recover fast enough.
Now I do the week split out in push/pull/arms/legs I can get each day in way under 45 min even with all the extra life stress and workload, etc. I'm a volume trainer though so works for me. If I was training for strength or absolute size it wouldn't be ideal.
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1 hour tops is enough for 1 muscle group even large ones. A workout with so many exercises and overlap is not needed.
Agree
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takes me 45 minutes on everything except legs,legs take me about 1hr and 15 min.
typical back workout for me is
chins 4 sets
hammer reverse row 4 sets
hammer low row 4 sets
t-bar rows free weight 4 sets
pulldowns close grip 3 sets and im done
i rest about 30 seconds between sets, in and out of gym,go intense and go home
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Here is what I am about to do for my No One Machine workout. Should take 15-20 minutes.
Lat Pull down-4 sets
Underhand Lat Pulldown-4 sets
Iso Row Machine-4 Sets
DB Row-4 Sets
Barbell Curl-4 Sets
Adonis Curl- 4 Sets
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If u want a muscle to make progress u need to high volyme it for about 4-5houer/week.
Lets say u want better arms...u need to make those sucker go true hell 4-5 times/week.
U want calves, u need to fucking train them 1-2houers 4-5 times a week!
If u wanne go true all the muscles of the body and get som quality u need fucking 20-30houers training/week! And that is still not enough to max out what your body can achivei!
Would be intresting to se how far anyone could take just armtrining....nothing else! Doing those fucking arms 20 houers/week! Light weight, medium weight, heavy weight, recovery weights etc etc...for 5-10 years...
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If you are looking to bulk, gain mass and get stronger nothing beats high volume training.
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If u want a muscle to make progress u need to high volyme it for about 4-5houer/week.
Lets say u want better arms...u need to make those sucker go true hell 4-5 times/week.
U want calves, u need to fucking train them 1-2houers 4-5 times a week!
If u wanne go true all the muscles of the body and get som quality u need fucking 20-30houers training/week! And that is still not enough to max out what your body can achivei!
Would be intresting to se how far anyone could take just armtrining....nothing else! Doing those fucking arms 20 houers/week! Light weight, medium weight, heavy weight, recovery weights etc etc...for 5-10 years...
id be grossly over trained,maybe cause my age i dont know for sure but id be roasted,ive tried it already n was toast after 2 weeks.iinstead of training longer with more sets i try to train more intense with lower sets.i add in things like drop sets,forced reps,negatives ect but even then a person has to b careful not to over train.id have to be lots of juice to do what u r saying cause id need a superhuman human recovery system,if it works for u thats cool and more power to u, u must have a good recuperation time in your body to do that brutally long training
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No reason to take more then a hour and around 4 working exercises per body part. If you need more volume do extra sets... 2hrs for shoulders is fucking stupid
Yep. My workouts take 45 minutes. Any longer and it's because I'm bullshitting with my friends between sets.
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I try for 40 sets in 40 minutes. The powerlifting days are well done. No point to them besides destroying joints and injuries.
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If u want a muscle to make progress u need to high volyme it for about 4-5houer/week.
Lets say u want better arms...u need to make those sucker go true hell 4-5 times/week.
U want calves, u need to fucking train them 1-2houers 4-5 times a week!
If u wanne go true all the muscles of the body and get som quality u need fucking 20-30houers training/week! And that is still not enough to max out what your body can achivei!
Would be intresting to se how far anyone could take just armtrining....nothing else! Doing those fucking arms 20 houers/week! Light weight, medium weight, heavy weight, recovery weights etc etc...for 5-10 years...
You must be quite the twink.
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If you are looking to bulk, gain mass and get stronger nothing beats high volume training.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y8X2rTeoGGg/T5RF5SoU7gI/AAAAAAAABQw/rSNw5ghbr9A/s1600/Dorian-04.jpg)
??? ???
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lol trainer is a fucking moron
even mr . Olympia trains for 45-1 hour
That includes texting between sets.
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Superset or tri-set either the same body part or opposing. If I were training for bodybuilding and didn't have a whole lot of time. I would do the pair the same body part. Ex; BB curl paired with 90degree preachers. 4 x 10-12. Get everything done in half the time with better results. Recovery between sets :60-:90 depending on body part.
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Here is what I am about to do for my No One Machine workout. Should take 15-20 minutes.
Lat Pull down-4 sets
Underhand Lat Pulldown-4 sets
Iso Row Machine-4 Sets
DB Row-4 Sets
Barbell Curl-4 Sets
Adonis Curl- 4 Sets
Speak on these Adonis curls please?
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Speak on these Adonis curls please?
Its just some random exercise in the gym that he decides to put his name on he always does that shit, the same way the idea of eating what you want but watch your calories he calls it the adonis diet system, he is really desperate to invent something.
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Speak on these Adonis curls please?
Its something I came up with myself and is the very best Bicep exercise in my opinion.
You can do them standing or seated each is difficult. Standing, take two light dumbells (I use 20-30 usually) and bring them all the way down to start. Then turn them as far as you can, locking the bicep peak flex in place. Keep this position and keep pressure as if you are trying to rotate your wrist even more. Now slowly bring both dumbells up keeping the same position. It really burns. The tension is constant the whole time. You can even practice it without weight to get the movement down and you feel it instantly.
Seated same thing, but you can also flare your lats out and have your arms wresting on your lats and do the same for a little different and difficult variation. Also, you can try flaring your lats out while standing and doing it for a little different variation. To learn it though, stick with first description. Everyone I show this to says its one of the best bicep movements they ever have tried.
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I'm about 90 minutes on average. i don't rush through
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Its something I came up with myself and is the very best Bicep exercise in my opinion.
You can do them standing or seated each is difficult. Standing, take two light dumbells (I use 20-30 usually) and bring them all the way down to start. Then turn them as far as you can, locking the bicep peak flex in place. Keep this position and keep pressure as if you are trying to rotate your wrist even more. Now slowly bring both dumbells up keeping the same position. It really burns. The tension is constant the whole time. You can even practice it without weight to get the movement down and you feel it instantly.
Seated same thing, but you can also flare your lats out and have your arms wresting on your lats and do the same for a little different and difficult variation. Also, you can try flaring your lats out while standing and doing it for a little different variation. To learn it though, stick with first description. Everyone I show this to says its one of the best bicep movements they ever have tried.
Nice try but that form of curling have been around since before you were born, if you really want to invent something I suggest you put on your apron get in the kitchen throw some ingredient in the oven and see what you come up with.
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Its something I came up with myself and is the very best Bicep exercise in my opinion.
You can do them standing or seated each is difficult. Standing, take two light dumbells (I use 20-30 usually) and bring them all the way down to start. Then turn them as far as you can, locking the bicep peak flex in place. Keep this position and keep pressure as if you are trying to rotate your wrist even more. Now slowly bring both dumbells up keeping the same position. It really burns. The tension is constant the whole time. You can even practice it without weight to get the movement down and you feel it instantly.
Seated same thing, but you can also flare your lats out and have your arms wresting on your lats and do the same for a little different and difficult variation. Also, you can try flaring your lats out while standing and doing it for a little different variation. To learn it though, stick with first description. Everyone I show this to says its one of the best bicep movements they ever have tried.
Cool thanks, will try tonight.
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Speak on these Adonis curls please?
(http://s13.postimg.org/3wc77re7b/Screen_Shot_2014_10_17_at_21_30_35.png)
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(http://s13.postimg.org/3wc77re7b/Screen_Shot_2014_10_17_at_21_30_35.png)
I haven`t seen that pic in years! That was 2003 in my college suite. My room mate was this Filipino kid who lived and breathed bodybuilding. He used to pull his VHS tapes out and would sit for hours watching Bob Paris videos. My other room mate is one of my friends for life, a black guy whose family owns on Ostrich farm and whose family fought for the Confederacy. Those were fun times!
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I haven`t seen that pic in years! That was 2003 in my college suite. My room mate was this Filipino kid who lived and breathed bodybuilding. He used to pull his VHS tapes out and would sit for hours watching Bob Paris videos. My other room mate is one of my friends for life, a black guy whose family owns on Ostrich farm and whose family fought for the Confederacy. Those were fun times!
I have it in my wallet, I use it as motivation to train, after all I may end up looking like that if I dont. ;D
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I have it in my wallet, I use it as motivation to train, after all I may end up looking like that if I dont. ;D
Oh Come on. Its not that bad.
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I used to be a big 4-5 sets per exercise guy until I saw Haney's video. Always dreaded the 20-25 set marathon workouts anyway, but I feared I'd lose gains if I backed off. Lee sorta gave me permission to pare it down, both sets and exercises, and it worked great. Never went back to volume.
Dorian later had me trying 2 sets per, but I eventually only used that after my first two exercises. The max-heavy weights and extended failure sets also took a toll on my joints/tendons, but I loved his insistence on intensity; I just re-interpreted it: heavyish-for-me (to straight failure) with minimal rest between sets.
Best method or not, it works well enough that I've stuck with it ever since. And it gets me outta that place in less than an hour, cardio included.
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Would be great to live in a dorm room with Adonis, a Hebrew, and a Filipino boy.
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Oh Come on. Its not that bad.
Just kidding mate, its a good pic.
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Would be great to live in a dorm room with Adonis, a Hebrew, and a Filipino boy.
It was interesting. I requested the International Hall because we had our own kitchen. Had to get the calories in or else catabolism would set in.
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I used to be a big 4-5 sets per exercise guy until I saw Haney's video. Always dreaded the 20-25 sets marathon workouts, anyway, but I thought I'd lose gains if I backed off. Lee sorta gave me permission to pare it down, both sets and exercises, and it worked great. Never went back to volume.
Dorian's later had me trying 2 sets per, but I eventually only used that after my first two exercises. The max-heavy weights and extended failure sets also took a toll on my joints/tendons, but I loved his insistence on intensity. I just re-interpreted it: heavyish-for-me (to straight failure) with minimal rest between sets.
Best method or not, it works well enough that I've stuck with it ever since. And it gets me outta that place in less than an hour, cardio included.
You just proved my point you are not mentally strong enough to handle high volume you were afraid of your workouts I look forward to the 30 sets, I cant wait until monday to do this
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of legs curls
5 sets of leg extensions
This is what separate a mentally strong hardcore bodybuilder from guys like yourself and your fellow getbiggers.
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when i worked at a gym yrs ago it would only take me 20-25 minutes to do a bodypart,i worked at night when everybody was gone and heres what i did for example,id set up 7 chest exercises,like dumbell chest press,incline smith,hammer chest,hammer wide chest,dip station,decline dumbells,pec dec,then id go thru the whole 7 exercises with no rest and then rest 2 minutes once whole series was thru n repeat it 4 times,i know its seems quick 20-25 min n all but i swear to u my chest was on fire after that workout n i had a pump from hell.i did that on all my bodyparts and it really worked great.im a big believer in high intensity shorter workouts over medium intensity long marathon workouts.im not saying any against the longer training cause if it works for certain people thats great and they found their formula,im just saying from over 3 decades of training and trial and error ive found what works for me the best
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You just proved my point you are not mentally strong enough to handle high volume you were afraid of your workouts I look forward to the 30 sets, I cant wait until monday to do this
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of legs curls
5 sets of leg extensions
This is what separate a mentally strong hardcore bodybuilder from guys like yourself and your fellow getbiggers.
The fact you keep stopping at a predetermined number of sets shows you are holding back.
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Black, ostrich farmers that fight for their own enslavement.
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You just proved my point you are not mentally strong enough to handle high volume you were afraid of your workouts I look forward to the 30 sets, I cant wait until monday to do this
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of legs curls
5 sets of leg extensions
This is what separate a mentally strong hardcore bodybuilder from guys like yourself and your fellow getbiggers.
You should be very proud of the superhuman strength of your mental.
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I haven`t seen that pic in years! That was 2003 in my college suite. My room mate was this Filipino kid who lived and breathed bodybuilding. He used to pull his VHS tapes out and would sit for hours watching Bob Paris videos. My other room mate is one of my friends for life, a black guy whose family owns on Ostrich farm and whose family fought for the Confederacy. Those were fun times!
So after all these years of training adonis body still looks the same as when he was in college, jesus christ that has got to be depressing natural or not, steroids are the only way you will ever look like a bodybuilder instead of a swimmer.
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You just proved my point you are not mentally strong enough to handle high volume you were afraid of your workouts I look forward to the 30 sets, I cant wait until monday to do this
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of legs curls
5 sets of leg extensions
This is what separate a mentally strong hardcore bodybuilder from guys like yourself and your fellow getbiggers.
Why would you program a closed chain exercise then an open chain followed by another closed chain exercise?
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Black, ostrich farmers that fight for their own enslavement.
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They were Free. One of the largest slaveholders in the state was a black man.
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We had one President of the United States who was in the same class of slaves and treated as such. Andrew Johnson. He was bonded to a man called James Selby in Raleigh, NC who made Andrew Johnson become a tailor. He was legally bound to Mr. Selby until Andrew turned 21. Andrew Johnson ran away and J. Selby sent out a "Slave Bill" with a reward for anyone who would return Andrew Johnson. Johnson eventually came back and tried to buy his way out of bondage but was unable to do so. He was forced to move West.
Andrew Johnson`s boyhood home is located on a Jewish Plantation in Raleigh, Mordecai Plantation Manor.
Here is the Jewish Plantation.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Historic_Mordecai_House-Raleigh-NC-13_Sept_2010.jpeg/800px-Historic_Mordecai_House-Raleigh-NC-13_Sept_2010.jpeg)
And here is Andrew Johnson`s boyhood home on the Plantation.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Andrew_Johnsons_First_Home_2006.jpg)
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Black, ostrich farmers that fight for their own enslavement.
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Besides, the North was not fighting to end slavery at all. Lincoln supported the Permanent Slavery Act in the Union that passed in Congress while he was President.
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Why would you program a closed chain exercise then an open chain followed by another closed chain exercise?
I do extensions last cause by then my quads are fried and I just want to squeeze out the remaining energy that they have left, I do 30 reps cause I just want to feel the burn.
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I do extensions last cause by then my quads are fried and I just want to squeeze out the remaining energy that they have left, I do 30 reps cause I just want to feel the burn.
You have no idea what I'm referring to do you?
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You have no idea what I'm referring to do you?
He will in a minute hes Googling it.
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He will in a minute hes Googling it.
Exactly.
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Mods need to reapply that "Bullshit" signature under his posts.
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You have no idea what I'm referring to do you?
If you are trying to show me up its a big fail cause my answer is correct I did a closed chain exercise squat and I after I do hamstrings I go back to quads and do open chain exercise leg extensions and I was explaining why I did that.
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Exactly.
Coach, you can help me with this perhaps. Why do Republicans revere Lincoln when he represents everything the Republicans are supposed to be against? He is the ultimate consolidator and abuser of Big Government.
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Coach, you can help me with this perhaps. Why do Republicans revere Lincoln when he represents everything the Republicans are supposed to be against? He is the ultimate consolidator and abuser of Big Government.
Because he had huge triceps and an epic beard.
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I do extensions last cause by then my quads are fried and I just want to squeeze out the remaining energy that they have left, I do 30 reps cause I just want to feel the burn.
yea i like that to,thats what i been doing lately the extensions and leg curls last to pump the shit out of my legs.i remember yrs ago my buddy had us to extensions first to failure and then go right to the leg press with medium weight,not to heavy and try to bang them out,then with no rest finish off with sissy squats,oh my god i thought i was gonna die literally.for those guys on here who never gave sissy squats an honest try u dont know what u r missing,they r brutal and thats putting it mildly
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I can do shoulder and arms in 45 min, including set up and break down. Torso and legs can each be done in less than an hour. It helps to have Nautilus machines (MedX would be good too.) I like Hammer as well but they take longer. The bottom line is train as hard as you can then get the fuvk out. Rest, eat, go study, etc. No reason to spend 2 hours at it. Testosterone levels start diminishing and cortisol starts increasing after 45 min to an hour anyway, that is an indicator.
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You just proved my point you are not mentally strong enough to handle high volume you were afraid of your workouts I look forward to the 30 sets, I cant wait until monday to do this
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of legs curls
5 sets of leg extensions
This is what separate a mentally strong hardcore bodybuilder from guys like yourself and your fellow getbiggers.
You are stuck in 1975. Unless you are boshing Dbol like crazy, value shape over size, and have superhuman joints, that extra hour is pointless. Arnold had comparatively poor quads anyway obviously. After one hour for most non-Dbolites your testosterone levels drop anyway, so for many it's better to text less and do a good hour, then get eating and rehydrating or whatever instead of slogging away for another hour with massive rests.
In my shitty opinion anyway.
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Because he had huge triceps and an epic beard.
;D ;D ;D
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I can do shoulder and arms in 45 min, including set up and break down. Torso and legs can each be done in less than an hour. It helps to have Nautilus machines (MedX would be good too.) I like Hammer as well but they take longer. The bottom line is train as hard as you can then get the fuvk out. Rest, eat, go study, etc. No reason to spend 2 hours at it. Testosterone levels start diminishing and cortisol starts increasing after 45 min to an hour anyway, that is an indicator.
About to go do full body with conditioning. Will take about 45-50 minutes.
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About to go do full body with conditioning. Will take about 45-50 minutes.
. Brutal, but effective if you can really push yourself (many can't as you know) -Best conditioning workout- bring O2!
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I can do shoulder and arms in 45 min, including set up and break down. Torso and legs can each be done in less than an hour. It helps to have Nautilus machines (MedX would be good too.) I like Hammer as well but they take longer. The bottom line is train as hard as you can then get the fuvk out. Rest, eat, go study, etc. No reason to spend 2 hours at it. Testosterone levels start diminishing and cortisol starts increasing after 45 min to an hour anyway, that is an indicator.
great point about the test levels dropping after 45 min, that alone is very important.thats our bodies saying ok your done now get the fuck out of here and eat n rest so i can grow ;) thats why marathon runners have super low test levels and look horrible while sprinters look healthy and have great muscle tone and their legs r huge as hell
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. Brutal, but effective if you can really push yourself (many can't as you know) -Best conditioning workout- bring O2!
Today will superset heavy compounds of squat/presses....then do 5 rounds of 5 circuits of 30 second of exercise / 15 sec rest. Sprints after that. Should be good.
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You are stuck in 1975. Unless you are boshing Dbol like crazy, value shape over size, and have superhuman joints, that extra hour is pointless. Arnold had comparatively poor quads anyway obviously. After one hour for most non-Dbolites your testosterone levels drop anyway, so for many it's better to text less and do a good hour, then get eating and rehydrating or whatever instead of slogging away for another hour with massive rests.
In my shitty opinion anyway.
Actually high volume is not taxing to the joints like HIT cause you dont go beyond failure when the muscle gets fatigue you rest and do another set, and I disagree with the test levels dropping cause I always feel horney after leg training, and if you are natural just take a test booster with d aspratic acid to cover your bases.
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heavy and high volume = oxymoron
relatively heavy and high volume = possible
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If you are trying to show me up its a big fail cause my answer is correct I did a closed chain exercise squat and I after I do hamstrings I go back to quads and do open chain exercise leg extensions and I was explaining why I did that.
translation: im an idiot.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y8X2rTeoGGg/T5RF5SoU7gI/AAAAAAAABQw/rSNw5ghbr9A/s1600/Dorian-04.jpg)
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I can't believe that people still think that Dorian built his physique using one system. Every bodybuilder out there has used every type of system, splits and combination of sets, supersets, giant sets and what have you that all contributed to the builds they have. Dorian was well on his way, runner up to Haney many times before he started HIT and of course GH and slin.
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I can't believe that people still think that Dorian built his physique using one system. Every bodybuilder out there has used every type of system, splits and combination of sets, supersets, giant sets and what have you that all contributed to the builds they have. Dorian was well on his way, runner up to Haney many times before he started HIT and of course GH and slin.
i agree,heres my theory on it,i think when all of us start training we dont need much detailed training since any type of stimulation with exercises will produce results, as we get more advanced tho we need to start shifting things alittle as far as splits and volume ect. dorian just realized after all the trial and error and all that time spent training what worked best for him and he went harder on the drugs since he had more money coming in from placing better in shows,add those 2 together and u see dorian the beast,yes i know genetics helped ofcoarse and he did have decent genetics
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Its something I came up with myself and is the very best Bicep exercise in my opinion.
You can do them standing or seated each is difficult. Standing, take two light dumbells (I use 20-30 usually) and bring them all the way down to start. Then turn them as far as you can, locking the bicep peak flex in place. Keep this position and keep pressure as if you are trying to rotate your wrist even more. Now slowly bring both dumbells up keeping the same position. It really burns. The tension is constant the whole time. You can even practice it without weight to get the movement down and you feel it instantly.
Seated same thing, but you can also flare your lats out and have your arms wresting on your lats and do the same for a little different and difficult variation. Also, you can try flaring your lats out while standing and doing it for a little different variation. To learn it though, stick with first description. Everyone I show this to says its one of the best bicep movements they ever have tried.
Thanks--definitely gives a good pump and you can feel it all the way through the curl...I took it easy because I'm still worried about my bi but I can see myself adding these into my workouts.
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TA, did you go to college in NC? I went to UNC-CH.
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Didn't Casey Viator average less than 25 minutes doing a full body workout less than three times per week?
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Didn't Casey Viator average less than 25 minutes doing a full body workout less than three times per week?
When he was promoting Nautilus, but I read some of his routines before that and they were epic.
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I guess it depends on your goals. If you already have the mass and are juiced to the gills then two hours will work. I am a natural and received the best gains by working out 3 days per week for only 30 to 40 min per session.
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I guess it depends on your goals. If you already have the mass and are juiced to the gills then two hours will work. I am a natural and received the best gains by working out 3 days per week for only 30 to 40 min per session.
I agree that it depends on what your goals are. There are other factors too. A lot of folks over-train. Every gym has folks who are good examples of this. They have been hitting the gym for years. They appear to train hard and they are there night an day, it seems. What is weird is after all those years of hard work, they still look pretty much the same as they always have. It's a classic case of too much effort for too little return.
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Can you do this in 45 min going very heavy.
5 sets seated dumbbell press
5 sets barbell front raises
5 sets side laterals
5 sets rear laterals
3 sets barbell shrugs
2 sets dumbbell shrugs
4 sets neck plate resistance face up
4 sets neck plate resistance face down
5 sets of seated calf raises
5 sets of standing calf raises
How many rep per set? There is 38 sets, so with average of 8 reps it would do 304 reps, which is insane. Why? Do you think it is wise to do marathon for those tiny little muscles to make them grow? Well look at the marathon runners, they have some muscles in their tongues, everything else is like dry bones ;D
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No reason to take more then a hour and around 4 working exercises per body part. If you need more volume do extra sets... 2hrs for shoulders is fucking stupid
you look like shit hope this helps
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i need 2 hours per body part
1 hour and a half for legs
1 hour and a half for any other part is rushing it
1 hour? impossible
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When Viator worked for Nautilus of course the story line was whole body routines done in record time. When he did the Colorado experiment he only used Nautilus for incredible muscle memory gains without steroids.
The truth is according to some in the know he did a lot more than Nautilus during the Colorado thing. According to a guy who trained all the time in the same gym as Viator he used around 15 sets per body part when he achieved his best ever condition in the 80's. Does anyone believe he didn't use steroids for the Colorado experiment? If you do I own this big bridge in Brooklyn that I'm selling cheap. You could make a fortune in setting up a toll booths.
Regarding Yates he did use one set to failure. He wasn't about to use 415 for incline presses without a warm up. Yes he used 135,225 and 315 for a warm up. His real set was the 415 to failure. Some exercises he didn't use a warm up according to where the exercise was in his routine. Those warms were not taxing and stopped after easy reps. No one can walk into a gym and load a bar with with a crazy weight and do one set to failure for major exercises.
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I started working out this morning at 5am doing shoulders and calves and when I finished it was 7am, now it makes me wonder about you guys who finish your workout in 45 min, there is no way you are working out hard unless you are doing HIT, you are kidding yourself in the gym which is why you dont see progress.
It's called heavy weight circuit training buh ;D.
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i need 2 hours per body part
1 hour and a half for legs
1 hour and a half for any other part is rushing it
1 hour? impossible
If you are being serious here, you are seriously over doing it.
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Why would you program a closed chain exercise then an open chain followed by another closed chain exercise?
Why wouldn't you?
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When Viator worked for Nautilus of course the story line was whole body routines done in record time. When he did the Colorado experiment he only used Nautilus for incredible muscle memory gains without steroids.
The truth is according to some in the know he did a lot more than Nautilus during the Colorado thing. According to a guy who trained all the time in the same gym as Viator he used around 15 sets per body part when he achieved his best ever condition in the 80's. Does anyone believe he didn't use steroids for the Colorado experiment? If you do I own this big bridge in Brooklyn that I'm selling cheap. You could make a fortune in setting up a toll booths.
Regarding Yates he did use one set to failure. He wasn't about to use 415 for incline presses without a warm up. Yes he used 135,225 and 315 for a warm up. His real set was the 415 to failure. Some exercises he didn't use a warm up according to where the exercise was in his routine. Those warms were not taxing and stopped after easy reps. No one can walk into a gym and load a bar with with a crazy weight and do one set to failure for major exercises.
How do you know this? Casey was closely supervised 24/7 by Arthur Jones.
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If you are being serious here, you are seriously over doing it.
Something like 98% of gym trainers are training too much. This is a fact. Why? Because this is how it have always been, and because no one would believe how little is enough, if they haven't try. There isn't any mystical secrets, it is all common knowledge, but it seem to be too easy to be the truth.. You just have to drop your ego out from the training, and there you are ;D
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Something like 98% of gym trainers are training too much. This is a fact. Why? Because this is how it have always been, and because no one would believe how little is enough, if they haven't try. There isn't any mystical secrets, it is all common knowledge, but it seem to be too easy to be the truth.. You just have to drop your ego out from the training, and there you are ;D
It isn't all about ego in my opinion. A lot of people really believe if a little bit is good, more is better. This applies to how much one exercises and sadly the dosages of PEDs many people ingest. Excess is rarely a good thing. We see evidence of this every day.
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If you are being serious here, you are seriously over doing it.
lazy sack of shit
what do you know about bb
nothing
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How do you know this? Casey was closely supervised 24/7 by Arthur Jones.
People believing fairy tales. Jones was trying to sell and market exercise machines. They were really outstanding I will admit.
Casey trained in the same gym as David Young who said he saw him using a lot of volume and by his count it was about 15 sets a body part during his prep for contests in the early 80's. Regarding the Colorado experiment do you believe he was supervised by Arthur Jones 24/7? The HIT crowd is almost like a cult. I will search through my pile of magazine articles to see if I can find the information on the Colorado experiment truth. I just found it. http://bodybuilding_workout.home.insightbb.com/trainingarticles/jeff_everson/index.htm
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It's exercise.
Whether it be running, biking or weights, there's no reason to spend the whole day doing it.
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It's exercise.
Whether it be running, biking or weights, there's no reason to spend the whole day doing it.
anything worth doing is worth doing well
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So this was my leg working this morning listening to some hardcore heavy metal in my headphones to get me into warmode.
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of leg curls
5 sets of leg extensions
The thing you guys dont understand is how powerful the human body is and how it can adapt to any situtation, if you were to try my leg workout today you could not do it, but if you were to slowly increase the sets each week and give the body a chance to adapt you could pull it off without feeling overtrain, I do this marathon session and I walk out of the gym feeling great.
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So this was my leg working this morning listening to some hardcore heavy metal in my headphones to get me into warmode.
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of leg curls
5 sets of leg extensions
The thing you guys dont understand is how powerful the human body is and how it can adapt to any situtation, if you were to try my leg workout today you could not do it, but if you were to slowly increase the sets each week and give the body a chance to adapt you could pull it off without feeling overtrain, I do this marathon session and I walk out of the gym feeling great.
no calves
lol
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So this was my leg working this morning listening to some hardcore heavy metal in my headphones to get me into warmode.
5 sets of squats
5 sets of lunges
5 sets of leg press
5 sets of stiff legged deadlifts
5 sets of leg curls
5 sets of leg extensions
The thing you guys dont understand is how powerful the human body is and how it can adapt to any situtation, if you were to try my leg workout today you could not do it, but if you were to slowly increase the sets each week and give the body a chance to adapt you could pull it off without feeling overtrain, I do this marathon session and I walk out of the gym feeling great.
I bet your leotard gets right up your vagina when you do some of those.
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no calves
lol
I do calves on shoulder day I never do them with quads.
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I do calves on shoulder day I never do them with quads.
why not?
do you need quads to cheat the weight up
;D :D ;)
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The thing you guys dont understand is how powerful the human body is and how it can adapt to any situtation,
We do understand fuckwad - it's the only reason this entire forum hasn't collectivly slammed their eyes into a pile of shattered beer bottles to be able to avoiding reading the piles and piles of unfunny, sucky shit bag posts that you subject us to here on a daily basis.
Go fuck yourself, you man licking shit dick.
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I bet your leotard gets right up your vagina when you do some of those.
Yes I work out in tights and so does ronnie, when your quads get pumped they look awesome you can see all the veins in ronnie quads.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404266.0;attach=445155;image)
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Yes I work out in tights and so does ronnie, when your quads get pumped they look awesome you can see all the veins in ronnie quads.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=404266.0;attach=445155;image)
(http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/sites/default/files/images/RonnieColemanTransformation.jpg)
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I've recently had to cut back my training trime- not the length of sessions per se, but overall weekly volume. After working back into things following my surgery last September, by June I was training 3 times a week, and my poundages were back up to my normal range. This, 7 months after starting back with weights that would barely challenge a teen girl on her bad days. After FINALLY receiving the equipment I had bought off Ebay and starting my garage gym; consisting of 7 Nautilus pieces, a Universal pullover, a vertical leg press and a short power rack, along with an O bar, and over 750 lbs in plates, including 4 100's, I trained 3 times a week still, until the combined drain of this, plus working my butt off in my PsyD program, and additional assorted other stresses kept me in a perpetual state of trying to recover. I finally gave in to the sense of perpetual fatigue, took an additional 2 days off after my second workout of last week, and in yesterday's leg workout, went up on every set, including getting 395 for 10 strict, slow reps on the Nautilus leg extension. Going for contractions rather than sets or reps, though I got up to 62 reps on bench situps holding a 25 lb plate before having to terminate the set. Squats are back up to 475 for 8 and other exercises were all PRS. I can't agree that 45 minutes to an hour isn't PLENTY if you work hard.