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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Army of One on November 02, 2014, 09:34:48 PM
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This phagg is one grams of test, trenbolone, GH, pain killers, insomnia pills, diuretics, synthol, insulin....and still claims natty.
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looks good though..like death good :o
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guys got a better physique than guys who have used gh and juiced for a lifetime. myself included.
looks great but can't respect a goddamn liar.
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Striated everything-of-peace.
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Why the hell TA and disgusted believe this is natural???
U can see injection sites on his triceps and stomach area
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Very good physique. Did he die?
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Its just the illusion, guys.
He really isnt all that big!
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It's also funny - everytime a person claims something can easily be done naturally they are juicers themselves. Hilarious.
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NO way is that guy natural he has def juiced maybe he uses fast acting esters to clear the test but bullshit he is natural.
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i think he also passed the polygraph test so i have to say he's naturalo
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Lance Armstrong never failed a test.
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Lance Armstrong never failed a test.
Bullshit! so many of his test were covered up,your joking right? almost all those tour de france guys failed their drug test. 90% of those guys were doping
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Bullshit! so many of his test were covered up,your joking right? almost all those tour de france guys failed their drug test. 90% of those guys were doping
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Bullshit! so many of his test were covered up,your joking right? almost all those tour de france guys failed their drug test. 90% of those guys were doping
In the eyes of the media Lance never failed a test, he can go on record and state he never failed a test.
Carl Lewis never failed a test according to the media.
Do I think Doug is clean?
Who cares, he tests clean, he also mentions his "pre contest stack" in the video I posted, Im not sure why a natty athlete would use that type of phrases TBH.
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In the eyes of the media Lance never failed a test, he can go on record and state he never failed a test.
Carl Lewis never failed a test according to the media.
Do I think Doug is clean?
Who cares, he tests clean, he also mentions his "pre contest stack" in the video I posted, Im not sure why a natty athlete would use that type of phrases TBH.
carl lewis admitted he cheated and used ephedrine that was the same year ben johnson got busted so technically they should not have given that medal to another cheater like lewis sure it was just ephedrine but it was BANNED! he cheated just like ben Johnson. Ephedrine is very effective for a sprinter almost as much as winstrol no diffrence take away bens winstrol and carls ephedrine and ben still would have beat lewis maybe his time wouldn;t of been so astonishing but he would have beat lewis.
Armstrong is a bit of a sd story he did have alot of health problems so I'm not sure what was prescribed and what wasn't but he was using s shitload of Test,EPO and opiates. as far as doug miller I don't know why somebody would want to live a lie. This guy is a juicer. maybe he is clean day of the show but he beats the tests by either using fast acting esters or using somebody elses piss. he's a cheater. he should just MAN up and compete with the big boys in the NPC
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everyone starts somewhere
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carl lewis admitted he cheated and used ephedrine that was the same year ben johnson got busted so technically they should not have given that medal to another cheater like lewis sure it was just ephedrine but it was BANNED! he cheated just like ben Johnson. Ephedrine is very effective for a sprinter almost as much as winstrol no diffrence take away bens winstrol and carls ephedrine and ben still would have beat lewis maybe his time wouldn;t of been so astonishing but he would have beat lewis.
Armstrong is a bit of a sd story he did have alot of health problems so I'm not sure what was prescribed and what wasn't but he was using s shitload of Test,EPO and opiates. as far as doug miller I don't know why somebody would want to live a lie. This guy is a juicer. maybe he is clean day of the show but he beats the tests by either using fast acting esters or using somebody elses piss. he's a cheater. he should just MAN up and compete with the big boys in the NPC
Seems to have acquired most of his size in 2007.
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I've seen naturals build these exact physiques on a diet of pomegranates and swordfish. The workouts need to be 8 sets of 8 reps.
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just another narcisist sociopath that figures claiming natural will give him more fame and not just be another huge roided bber in the mix
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Seems to have acquired most of his size in 2007.
Trust all of us he's on the gas. he has def done some big cycles maybe his use isn;t crazy anymore like i said many ways to win natural shows on juice even if you have to take a urine screen.
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I've seen naturals build these exact physiques on a diet of pomegranates and swordfish. The workouts need to be 8 sets of 8 reps.
You forgot the mandatory 15mn stretching at the end of the workout. Otherwise, your muscle bellies look nothing like that.
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Its hard to believe anyone could think hes natural.True,if seen quiet a few guys that ate his size judging from the video with his shirt on.The problem i have os he is able to get so lean without losing size even someone using loses size to get so lean.secondly,ive seen guys that can get that lean naturaly(actualy not that lean)and they are very lean ALL year no matter what.Much leaner than this guy is in that video wirh his shirt on.Dont give me the b.s. he gets that lean and can bulk too.If you want to believe him you can,but your never going to be able to do it.Best to vome back down to reality
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Guy looks incredible. I mean, if that's not shredded, then I don't know what is. Natty though ? No way in hell. The fact that this guy even claims to be natty is a HUGE slap in the face to all natty competitors. And in my eyes, that make you a piece of shit.
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Guy looks incredible. I mean, if that's not shredded, then I don't know what is. Natty though ? No way in hell. The fact that this guy even claims to be natty is a HUGE slap in the face to all natty competitors. And in my eyes, that make you a piece of shit.
Everyone is in denial about something. If he wants to be in denial so be it... that doesn't mean we have to join him in the land of make believe. Look at it this way: the functioning alcoholic who has a drink every single night does not believe he is an alcoholic because he is not falling down drunk or crashing his car. In his mind those people who do that are alcoholics--but not him. This guy things Fux, Nasser, and Doz are juicers--but not him. He is natty. ::)
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Was it disgusted who said he was definitely natty?
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Was it disgusted who said he was definitely natty?
Everyone is in denial about something. If he wants to be in denial so be it... that doesn't mean we have to join him in the land of make believe. Look at it this way: the functioning alcoholic who has a drink every single night does not believe he is an alcoholic because he is not falling down drunk or crashing his car. In his mind those people who do that are alcoholics--but not him. This guy things Fux, Nasser, and Doz are juicers--but not him. He is natty. ::)
Disguted was definitely drunk when he posted that.
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Disguted was definitely drunk when he posted that.
I hope so, because it would make him look really bad in his profession.
It would be like Jim Cramer saying Enron is a good stock buy right now.
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Everyone is in denial about something. If he wants to be in denial so be it... that doesn't mean we have to join him in the land of make believe. Look at it this way: the functioning alcoholic who has a drink every single night does not believe he is an alcoholic because he is not falling down drunk or crashing his car. In his mind those people who do that are alcoholics--but not him. This guy things Fux, Nasser, and Doz are juicers--but not him. He is natty. ::)
Agreed.
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Was it disgusted who said he was definitely natty?
He said something like "I'm not saying this guy is natty, but his size/condition can be easily achievable without drugs"
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He said something like "I'm not saying this guy is natty, but his size/condition can be easily achievable without drugs"
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haha lol, if dougs size/condition can be achieved naturally, then he is a mr. o in the making if he hops on gear.
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this guy makes layne seem natural in the end..
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Does he even lift? ::)
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looking like that why wouldn't he do the usa's or nationals...kyoshi moody who posted here claimes 'natural'he placed ok at he usa's few times..
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Why the hell TA and disgusted believe this is natural???
U can see injection sites on his triceps and stomach area
those are vitamin B12 injections silly rabbit ::)
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carl lewis admitted he cheated and used ephedrine that was the same year ben johnson got busted so technically they should not have given that medal to another cheater like lewis sure it was just ephedrine but it was BANNED! he cheated just like ben Johnson. Ephedrine is very effective for a sprinter almost as much as winstrol no diffrence take away bens winstrol and carls ephedrine and ben still would have beat lewis maybe his time wouldn;t of been so astonishing but he would have beat lewis.
Armstrong is a bit of a sd story he did have alot of health problems so I'm not sure what was prescribed and what wasn't but he was using s shitload of Test,EPO and opiates. as far as doug miller I don't know why somebody would want to live a lie. This guy is a juicer. maybe he is clean day of the show but he beats the tests by either using fast acting esters or using somebody elses piss. he's a cheater. he should just MAN up and compete with the big boys in the NPC
you havent got your facts right about lewis. lewis used ephedrine like everyone else and before the levels were made lower. and no way does ephedrine have the same effect as winstrol...lol.. besides, ben was using anadrol and winnie.
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you havent got your facts right about lewis. lewis used ephedrine like everyone else and before the levels were made lower. and no way does ephedrine have the same effect as winstrol...lol.. besides, ben was using anadrol and winnie.
IN THE END THE AMERCAN PUBLIC BOUGHT LEWIS 'S STORY OVER BEN'S DUE TO JOHNSONS SPEED/JUICED LOOK...
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Any comparison pics from that contest? I'd like to see if the competitors were equally as natty.
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Was it disgusted who said he was definitely natty?
Yeah..... never mind the fact that Millers arms are bigger than his head.
Well after looking at numerous photos of this kid in many different poses, my opinion of him as far as being natural is, I do 100% believe that his physique can be achieved naturally.
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Disguted was definitely drunk when he posted that.
No, he knew exactly what he was saying
He also knew it was wrong
Guy has an agenda
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Yeah..... never mind the fact that Millers arms are bigger than his head.
pipe down dildoitch nobody asked you.
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pipe down dildoitch nobody asked you.
Another genius....
take any number of white/ true naturals who are the same height and same bf levels who have been training the same length of time when they have all maxed out they are going to hold the same lean tissue
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Well after looking at numerous photos of this kid in many different poses, my opinion of him as far as being natural is, I do 100% believe that his physique can be achieved naturally.
take any number of white/ true naturals who are the same height and same bf levels who have been training the same length of time when they have all maxed out they are going to hold the same lean tissue
If we combine the collective wisdom of tweedle dee and tweedle dum... all 'white' and natural bodybuilders will hold the same lean tissue as Doug Miller. Exactly.
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For the love of God and all that's holy. OK Let me try again. The pics that I posted about Doug's physique as pertaining to his muscle size came from his website and were dated I believe from 2009? Never heard of the guy before this. Anyway I still stand by the fact that I think this level of muscularity in those photos is attainable without drugs. This guy is small here, in fact very small but pretty ripped which obviously gives quite the illusion. From what I have just seen of his most recent show I would NOT say the same. Hope this clears things up.
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I've seen naturals build these exact physiques on a diet of pomegranates and swordfish. The workouts need to be 8 sets of 8 reps.
:D. No! Don't tell the squares all of our best secrets.
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some person on his facebook is defending him, saying he posted his toxicology report and it came out clean. :-\ :-\
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some person on his facebook is defending him, saying he posted his toxicology report and it came out clean. :-\ :-\
And I posted to the contrary so for those that think I am defending him I'm not.
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Is the synthol in his triceps considered natty as well?
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For the love of God and all that's holy. OK Let me try again. The pics that I posted about Doug's physique as pertaining to his muscle size came from his website and were dated I believe from 2009? Never heard of the guy before this. Anyway I still stand by the fact that I think this level of muscularity in those photos is attainable without drugs. This guy is small here, in fact very small but pretty ripped which obviously gives quite the illusion. From what I have just seen of his most recent show I would NOT say the same. Hope this clears things up.
next, you'll be saying that goodrums physique is possible to attain without drugs ::) ::) ;D ;D
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next, you'll be saying that goodrums physique is possible to attain without drugs ::) ::) ;D ;D
Let's not get ridiculous here. ::) ;D
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And I posted to the contrary so for those that think I am defending him I'm not.
My friend, I have a bad feeling that "Disgusted thinks Miller is natty" is approaching "Dubai, India" Getbig-truth status. It may be too late to stop this train.
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My friend, I have a bad feeling that "Disgusted thinks Miller is natty" is approaching "Dubai, India" Getbig-truth status. It may be too late to stop this train.
but Dubai is in India what are you on about?
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right arm looks unreal in this pic
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Is the synthol in his triceps considered natty as well?
are these pics I mean touched up at all,,this look here could be the builds u see in the 'worlds'or overseas builds ,this guy is skinned and had arms and delts even legs of top guys on national level..
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Is the synthol in his triceps considered natty as well?
no synthol in his body but grams of gear
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impressive chest and quad sweep on this manlet^^^^
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haha lol, if dougs size/condition can be achieved naturally, then he is a mr. o in the making if he hops on gear.
The condition can definitely be achieved naturally. So lets take that out of the equation.
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haha lol, if dougs size/condition can be achieved naturally, then he is a mr. o in the making if he hops on gear.
not with those chest genes
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The condition can definitely be achieved naturally. So lets take that out of the equation.
And away we go!
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as natural as bay and OMR sitting in a room discussing the intricacies of the tier system
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And away we go!
Why do you think drugs have anything to do with conditioning and bodyfat? They don`t.
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Why do you think drugs have anything to do with conditioning and bodyfat? They don`t.
Another classic.
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Adonis is right.
The conditioning can be achieved naturally.
It's the amount of muscle he's carrying in that condition that can't be achieved naturally.
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The condition can definitely be achieved naturally. So lets take that out of the equation.
What about that size and conditioning combined? That cannot be achieved naturally.
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Why do you think drugs have anything to do with conditioning and bodyfat? They don`t.
Just look at africans. On a steady diet of dirt and zebra they have ripped muscles.
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OK Let me try again
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The condition can definitely be achieved naturally. So lets take that out of the equation.
Whats stopped you from achieving that level of conditioning?
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Manlet
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Why do you think drugs have anything to do with conditioning and bodyfat? They don`t.
ofcourse they do that's a silly statement TA...
if hormones has nothing to do with bodyfat then why do women naturally carry almost twice the bodyfat of a male?
also anabolic androgenic steroids has been scientifically proven to increase metabolism and increase the amount of lean bodymass.
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i think he also passed the polygraph test so i have to say he's naturalo
It's not a lie if you believe it
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It's not a lie if you believe it
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Whats stopped you from achieving that level of conditioning?
My love of Pecan Pie.
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ofcourse they do that's a silly statement TA...
if hormones has nothing to do with bodyfat then why do women naturally carry almost twice the bodyfat of a male?
also anabolic androgenic steroids has been scientifically proven to increase metabolism and increase the amount of lean bodymass.
Disgusted got his wife leaner than most male bodybuilders on hormones and she wasn`t on anything.
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My love of Pecan Pie.
But, but you can get that level of condition eating Pecan Pie, are you saying you cant?
Surely after all these years of a calorie is a calorie then its possible to be just as ripped.
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Disgusted got his wife leaner than most male bodybuilders on hormones and she wasn`t on anything.
Disgusted is clean now and walking around at 260 with abs at 5'11
He says a lot of things.
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But, but you can get that level of condition eating Pecan Pie, are you saying you cant?
Surely after all these years of a calorie is a calorie then its possible to be just as ripped.
Of course you can, but for 6 months of the year I don`t bother counting calories and when I do count them, I choose to keep them high for the look that I want. If I wanted to go to Auschwitz I would just decrease the 6 month time frame or just keep on with counting calories instead of going 6 months without counting them.
You are either a moron or living under a rock thinking you can`t eat whatever you want and get as lean as you want. People do it all the time and there are plenty of youtube videos and diet logs you can see where they do this. Don`t be stupid.
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Of course you can, but for 6 months of the year I don`t bother counting calories and when I do count them, I choose to keep them high for the look that I want. If I wanted to go to Auschwitz I would just decrease the 6 month time frame or just keep on with counting calories instead of going 6 months without counting them.
You are either a moron or living under a rock thinking you can`t eat whatever you want and get as lean as you want. People do it all the time and there are plenty of youtube videos and diet logs you can see where they do this. Don`t be stupid.
So when you said Pecan pie had stopped you achieving that level of condition it was a lie.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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So when you said Pecan pie had stopped you achieving that level of condition it was a lie.
Thanks for clearing that up.
It was a tongue in cheek comment with the goal of getting a rise out of you in order to expose your slow mental process. I`d say it worked. :D
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I,m sure Doug Miller doesnt eat pecan pies while dieting.
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It was a tongue in cheek comment with the goal of getting a rise out of you in order to expose your slow mental process. I`d say it worked. :D
Its lack of dedication and will power thats stopped you achieving the level of condition.
Face it, you will never do it now, its too late for you.
Enjoy trolling here, its all you can manage these days.
Hows your latest training routine going, you have been pretty quiet of late, not just trolling that thread as well were you?
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Its lack of dedication and will power thats stopped you achieving the level of condition.
Face it, you will never do it now, its too late for you.
Enjoy trolling here, its all you can manage these days.
Hows your latest training routine going, you have been pretty quiet of late, not just trolling that thread as well were you?
1. Why would it be a lack of dedication when its just as easy to eat 2400 calories year round if I can easily do it for 6 months?
2. Why would I never do it, when I have already done it and could do it at any time? That makes no sense.
3. I enjoy making you look like an idiot at times, because I believe you really are an idiot sometimes.
4. Enjoy being an idiot.
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Its lack of dedication and will power thats stopped you achieving the level of condition.
Face it, you will never do it now, its too late for you.
Enjoy trolling here, its all you can manage these days.
Hows your latest training routine going, you have been pretty quiet of late, not just trolling that thread as well were you?
I am on week five of training and its brutal. I am still doing it and its working faster than I expected. I feel no need to update anyone really because I workout for myself. I will leave the posting of headless shots to you because you are the most impressive specimen on getbig, drugs and all.
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1. Why would it be a lack of dedication when its just as easy to eat 2400 calories year round if I can easily do it for 6 months?
2. Why would I never do it, when I have already done it and could do it at any time? That makes no sense.
3. I enjoy making you look like an idiot at times, because I believe you really are an idiot sometimes.
4. Enjoy being an idiot.
You have never been really in shape, you got near but couldnt hack it, you realised that eating cakes wouldnt cut it.
So near yet so far. ;)
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You have never been really in shape, you got near but couldnt hack it, you realised that eating cakes wouldnt cut it.
So near yet so far. ;)
Believe what you want to believe. I have been leaner than your pictures posted. Smaller, but leaner.
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Believe what you want to believe. I have been leaner than your pictures posted. Smaller, but leaner.
No you havent.
Show us your ripped glute pics big boy. ;)
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No you havent.
Show us your ripped glute pics big boy. ;)
What part of I don`t care what you believe I have or have not done do you not understand.
You would just have disparaging remarks to say anyways. Why would I want to subject myself to it when I simply do not care?
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What part of I don`t care what you believe I have or have not done do you not understand.
You would just have disparaging remarks to say anyways. Why would I want to subject myself to it when I simply do not care?
Yet here you are still posting whilst still not caring.
You still believe that nattys can achieve that condition yet a self claimed lifetime natty like yourself has been no where near.
You seem to be trolling yourself now.
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Yet here you are still posting whilst still not caring.
You still believe that nattys can achieve that condition yet a self claimed lifetime natty like yourself has been no where near.
You seem to be trolling yourself now.
Posting 8 year old pics of poor conditioning of mine is not going to help your case any. At least its melting you I suppose. :D
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Posting 8 year old pics of poor conditioning of mine is not going to help your case any.
Thats the best you have ever been my friend. ;)
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Thats the best you have ever been my friend. ;)
Disagree, the very next year I was this at midpoint and got even leaner.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393184.0;attach=425990;image)
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Disagree, the very next year I was this at midpoint and got even leaner.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393184.0;attach=425990;image)
You look the same, thats poor lighting.
Stop clutching at straws.
You aint ever been really ripped.
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You look the same, thats poor lighting.
Stop clutching at straws.
You aint ever been really ripped.
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Ok, whatever you say.
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Disagree, the very next year I was this at midpoint and got even leaner.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=393184.0;attach=425990;image)
I think you look great in this 5 year old pic dude! But let's get real you are not even anywhere close to this freak in the photos, natty Doug. Like so far away I can't even believe you posted this photo.
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I think you look great in this 5 year old pic dude! But let's get real you are not even anywhere close to this freak in the photos, natty Doug. Like so far away I can't even believe you posted this photo.
Did I say I was in that picture? ???
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http://nattyornot.com/doug-miller-natural-bodybuilder-steroid-user/
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No you havent.
Show us your ripped glute pics big boy. ;)
(http://flashrob.com/ta/RelFrontBig.jpg)
can this be achieved naturally?
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Disgusted is clean now and walking around at 260 with abs at 5'11
He says a lot of things.
Simple Simon likes to embellish a lot. ;)
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ofcourse they do that's a silly statement TA...
if hormones has nothing to do with bodyfat then why do women naturally carry almost twice the bodyfat of a male?
also anabolic androgenic steroids has been scientifically proven to increase metabolism and increase the amount of lean bodymass.
They do but so what? If you could actually calculate the amount of extra body fat loss achieved all one would have to do is drop said amount of calories to duplicate that effect.
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I have seen him compete years ago, and he has added some serious size lately.
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I cant even believe how stupid people on this board ARE? WTF.
The first pic is of true adonis probably about 170lbs at 5-6% body.Very naturally attainable.
Even with average.The second pic is of Doug Miller, He is not natural.
I have judged about 200 shows, tested and non tested.
I am a judge for 4 diffrent organizations .
This joker is not natural, its is not possible,even with elite gentics.
This guy is 195 lbs at 2.5 % bodyfat.
He is 20-30lbs heavier then TA and half the bodyfat.
Plus he is alot fuller and harder.
TA I dont care haow hard you diet.Even if you put down the Pecan pie.
You would never be this big or even be close to this condition naturally.Never
Not only coulnt you achieve this condtion, not even the best genetics could achieve this condition naturally.
If people could achieve this look without drugs.Guys wouldnt use steroids!!!1
Trust me know one likes taking.Taking roids sucks.Getting shots suck.Trus tME..I been training 30 years.
THIS GUY IS NOT NATURAL.nOT POSSIBLE
I was natural for 16 years,
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I cant even believe how stupid people on this board ARE? WTF.
The first pic is of true adonis probably about 170lbs at 5-6% body.Very naturally attainable.
Even with average.The second pic is of Doug Miller, He is not natural.
I have judged about 200 shows, tested and non tested.
I am a judge for 4 diffrent organizations .
This joker is not natural, its is not possible,even with elite gentics.
This guy is 195 lbs at 2.5 % bodyfat.
He is 20-30lbs heavier then TA and half the bodyfat.
Plus he is alot fuller and harder.
TA I dont care haow hard you diet.Even if you put down the Pecan pie.
You would never be this big or even be close to this condition naturally.Never
Not only coulnt you achieve this condtion, not even the best genetics could achieve this condition naturally.
If people could achieve this look without drugs.Guys wouldnt use steroids!!!1
Trust me know one likes taking.Taking roids sucks.Getting shots suck.Trus tME..I been training 30 years.
THIS GUY IS NOT NATURAL.nOT POSSIBLE
I was natural for 16 years,
Come on, even disgusted says you can get as ripped and conditioned natty, its not just TA.
I do find it odd that men are more ripped than women naturally, maybe that has something to do with higher levels of testosterone so I would presume that test has something to do with achieving better condition.
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I guess if Doug is 2.5% this guy is dead.
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Simple Simon likes to embellish a lot. ;)
Not that much I would wager.
What are your current stats by the way?
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Not that much I would wager.
What are your current stats by the way?
266 today haven't even lifted in a while and not an ab showing. Wanna bet?
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266 today haven't even lifted in a while and not an ab showing. Wanna bet?
So 266 and 5'11?
What are you 25 or 30% bf?
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So 266 and 5'11?
What are you 25 or 30% bf?
Prob not that low.
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I guess if Doug is 2.5% this guy is dead.
no,maybe a little bit lower..like 2.2313524%
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Prob not that low.
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It's ok bro don't be sad. Why you up so early?
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It's ok bro don't be sad. Why you up so early?
Its 08.45am ,I know for an unemployed gym rat that may seem excessive but Im on holiday this week, I normally get up at 5am.
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Its 08.45am ,I know for an unemployed gym rat that may seem excessive but Im on holiday this week, I normally get up at 5am.
Livin the dream nothing wrong with that.
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No you havent.
Show us your ripped glute pics big boy. ;)
(http://flashrob.com/ta/RelFrontBig.jpg)
This is not lean. This is still like 10%. I've been that lean, there is a lot of fat on the abs here still. If he was sitting there would be visible fat on his stomach. Actually I think I've been leaner than that... And I'm not a bodybuilder.
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No you havent.
Show us your ripped glute pics big boy. ;)
(http://flashrob.com/ta/RelFrontBig.jpg)
This is lean, but the issue here is that, he cannot handle going much lower in body fat without turning into a stringy mess. Notice the flatness to the physqiue in the pecs, between the abs, and around the neck/trunk area. That's just pure fat around there. People look at fat loss like it's the only factor involved in getting the look Doug has.. it's also to do with muscle density and size. Not just "cutting" fat. I mean most people have the discipline to drop calories and cut. But if you don't have the size and the density to display underneath, your 5% body fat will just look like you've disappeared, much like True Adonis. Not that he doesn't look good, but this is a stringy mess... this is the build people use anabolics to enhance because the drugs build those fibers up, so you have a very dense arm. The more dense a muscle is, the more separated it becomes... that = shredded/thick/lean, i.e. like a thick steak with no fat between it.
I cant even believe how stupid people on this board ARE? WTF.
The first pic is of true adonis probably about 170lbs at 5-6% body.Very naturally attainable.
Even with average.The second pic is of Doug Miller, He is not natural.
I have judged about 200 shows, tested and non tested.
I am a judge for 4 diffrent organizations .
This joker is not natural, its is not possible,even with elite gentics.
This guy is 195 lbs at 2.5 % bodyfat.
He is 20-30lbs heavier then TA and half the bodyfat.
Plus he is alot fuller and harder.
TA I dont care haow hard you diet.Even if you put down the Pecan pie.
You would never be this big or even be close to this condition naturally.Never
Not only coulnt you achieve this condtion, not even the best genetics could achieve this condition naturally.
If people could achieve this look without drugs.Guys wouldnt use steroids!!!1
Trust me know one likes taking.Taking roids sucks.Getting shots suck.Trus tME..I been training 30 years.
THIS GUY IS NOT NATURAL.nOT POSSIBLE
I was natural for 16 years,
This is true. Those who take don't particularly love to do it. They're usually driven there by extreme feelings of inadequacy. Once you take, it's just evidence that you're weak in the mind, and that is what really needs correcting, not the body. You feel that you need to define yourself by your physique, and getting attention for it, and you will go out of your way, by any means to get your physique big enough to be noticed. It's literally like a guy walking around flailing his arms around BEGGING for people to notice him. For most people. And that includes many pro bodybuilders who use the competitions as a cover up for their extremely poor body image issues, sadly.
Now does this apply to naturals? I wouldn't say so... because those who are genetically blessed have found satisfaction in who they are, and just love to improve their physiques by natural means. Of course some do want to take but are scared because of the social stigma, needles or whatever so they don't really count.
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your flailing your intellectual superiority complex around on getbig trying to make yourself feel like the shit. Its not much different. Besides people bodybuild for more reasons than vanity, sometimes it helps make a living either directly for some pros or indirectly through PT work or running a gym, supplement company etc. Also vanity is independent of steroid use, a natural bodybuilder can be just as vain as an enhanced one.
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your flailing your intellectual superiority complex around on getbig trying to make yourself feel like the shit. Its not much different. Besides people bodybuild for more reasons than vanity, sometimes it helps make a living either directly for some pros or indirectly through PT work or running a gym, supplement company etc. Also vanity is independent of steroid use, a natural bodybuilder can be just as vain as an enhanced one.
or sometimes random men off of the internet send you money every week. :-\ :-\
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t.a. for what's it worth look pretty good there,and he's semi relaxed there,he was coming off a big bulk I believe'on here who knows what order people post pics they could be fat now and post best pics from yrs ago'..doug miller has a look some drug 'heavy 'drug users can never achieve ,so theres no secret ,its what he say's and what is believed..
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or sometimes random men off of the internet send you money every week. :-\ :-\
I wish
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Carl Lewis
Lance Armstrong
Doug Miller
Three of the greatest athletes of our generation.
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The fact that anyone even remotely thinks this is natural explains why they would even let him do a natural show....
Come on. Filt.
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The fact that anyone even remotely thinks this is natural explains why they would even let him do a natural show....
Come on. Filt.
PROBABLY they need someone to carry the organization name wise,he's the resident freak..in the npc there are many/many guys close to or better in the long run...
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Doug "Natural" Miller must get so pissed when people challenge his so called natural status. I can just picture him at his keyboard, trying away with a fury.
He actually posted his drug test results which all came out negative :D :D
This one is for the haters lol. Actually I know the haters will still hate and the doubters will still doubt but there is such a thing as natural bodybuilding and its possible to look good even without performance enhancing drugs! And yes the organizations do actually test (polygraph and urinalysis).
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And yes the organizations do actually test (polygraph and urinalysis). [/b][/glow]
Sure they test those people. Only thing is there's nobody in the organization to read the results properly.
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He says he's open to any kind of testing year round. Wonder if he'd be open for us to see his liver values.
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Sure they test those people. Only thing is there's nobody in the organization to read the results properly.
No, do you even know how testing is done? Any federation that does their own testing isn't worth shit. In IPF, IWF, IFBB etc. they hire guys from WADA to do that. WADA has very high standards and result is just number of illegal (by WADA standards) substances that were detected in given dude's sample and that's it. Yes, there are ways to beat the system, there is a number of substances that you can take year round, get off couple of days before competition and you will be clean as a whistle. It is widely known, there is no secret formula, no magic potions that elite athletes are given.
And again, yes, they could potentially just take blood samples of every athlete competing in for example olympics every week, year round. They do have money for that, they have virtually infinite amount of resources. The reason why they don't do that is because they don't want to - results would go down, it would be pretty clear that everyone before juiced. They do enough testing just to pretend they test anyone and not even a bit more. I know I haven't discovered America here but some guys seem to be unaware.
Now, when it comes to so called "natural bodybuilding" you have to take into account that even most popular bodybuilding federation has very small audience, especially when it comes to tested (amateur) part. Therefore I cannot believe any random, small federation can afford legitimate drug testing. Please explain, if all of those guys get tested during competitions, random tested year round... Who the fuck pays for that? Schmoes?
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He says he's open to any kind of testing year round. Wonder if he'd be open for us to see his liver values.
Bay will check his nuts for atrohpy ;D
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When in doubt, go back to science:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/fat-free-mass-index-in-users-and-nonusers-of-anabolic-androgen-steroids-research-review.html/
25 FFMI is your upper limit guys. And by upper limit I mean limit for most blessed guys out there. Most of us won't even make it cause average is 21.8.
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No, do you even know how testing is done? Any federation that does their own testing isn't worth shit. In IPF, IWF, IFBB etc. they hire guys from WADA to do that. WADA has very high standards and result is just number of illegal (by WADA standards) substances that were detected in given dude's sample and that's it. Yes, there are ways to beat the system, there is a number of substances that you can take year round, get off couple of days before competition and you will be clean as a whistle. It is widely known, there is no secret formula, no magic potions that elite athletes are given.
And again, yes, they could potentially just take blood samples of every athlete competing in for example olympics every week, year round. They do have money for that, they have virtually infinite amount of resources. The reason why they don't do that is because they don't want to - results would go down, it would be pretty clear that everyone before juiced. They do enough testing just to pretend they test anyone and not even a bit more. I know I haven't discovered America here but some guys seem to be unaware.
Now, when it comes to so called "natural bodybuilding" you have to take into account that even most popular bodybuilding federation has very small audience, especially when it comes to tested (amateur) part. Therefore I cannot believe any random, small federation can afford legitimate drug testing. Please explain, if all of those guys get tested during competitions, random tested year round... Who the fuck pays for that? Schmoes?
I think you missed something in my post. Maybe the irony..........
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