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A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.
Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.
Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.
The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html (http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html)
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do americans really feel the need
to have to take a gun in to the grocery store
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do americans really feel the need
to have to take a gun in to the grocery store
That's what concealed carry is. You take your gun everywhere you go.
Some people have open carry, which just makes everyone uncomfortable.
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That's what concealed carry is. You take your gun everywhere you go.
Some people have open carry, which just makes everyone uncomfortable.
i still think its a recipe for disaster
are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs
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do americans really feel the need
to have to take a gun in to the grocery store
They're at war with themselves.
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i still think its a recipe for disaster
are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs
I guess they plan on the unexpected. Although trying to whip out a gun during an altercation or robbery, seems to be harder than what you see in the movies.
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I guess they plan on the unexpected. Although trying to whip out a gun during an altercation or robbery, seems to be harder than what you see in the movies.
if the guy tackled had been a bit more switched on
he might have drawn and shot the guy restraining him
what would have happened then seems like he could have claimed self defence
also the guy tackling the gun holder has racially stereotyped him
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if the guy tackled had been a bit more switched on
he might have drawn and shot the guy restraining him
what would have happened then seems like he could have claimed self defence
also the guy tackling the gun holder has racially stereotyped him
Im not sure if it was about race. The black guy was in his 60's......
He was an idiot for putting his gun in his holster in the parking lot for everyone to see.
We are taught that the only people with guns (in public) should be the police. People have the right to carry, but it is a slippery slope when it comes to civilians with firearms in public.
Can you conceal carry at a bank?
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2 idiots.
One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.
One is zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.
in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.
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Story tells nothing about his favorite coffee creamer brand :-\
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whatabout flexing your GUNS in teh parking lot before going into the store and then be tackled because you got massive tri's and bi's?
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i still think its a recipe for disaster
are they expecting to have a shoot out fighting over the last can of beans ffs
In Florida alone, there are millions of concealed carry permit holders. This is not an everyday occurance.
In NH, we have concealed permits, but you can open carry without a permit. I was in a Walmart once and saw a big white dude with a POS "Uncle Mikes" holster carrying a POS Ruger 9mm in open carry. I knew he wasn't a cop because of the crappiness of his holster.
I asked him if he was LEO and when he said no, we just started talking about guns. I mentioned that he needed some decent leather and he knew it.
It's culture. We don't have a lot (any?) crime and a lot of guns, so it's normal or at least not scary abnormal to see that. In FL, folks are a little more edgy. Especially since the legal carry permit holder in this story was Hebrew.
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do americans really feel the need
to have to take a gun in to the grocery store
Have you ever stepped foot into a Walmart?
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I love the idiots that walk around with assault rifles strapped on their backs.
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I love the idiots that walk around with assault rifles strapped on their backs.
You mean the Swiss? They're OK...
(https://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/swiss_gun_owner.jpg)
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A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.
Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.
Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.
The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html (http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html)
What a pile of baloney. The effing media and govt is telling people to be afraid of guns. This guy wasn't an example of a vigilante, he was a product of US media and govt propaganda.
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Help Me! Why do people need a gun when shopping at Walmart, given it's a big thrift shop? Didn't some kid just cap his mom 2 or 3 weeks ago?
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should have to take psych and drug tests to be a gun owner.
What % would still be allowed to carry if that were the case?
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2 idiots.
One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.
One is zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.
in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.
Exactly. I can't fault the good Samaritan. He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store. If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal. The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed. The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".
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should have to take psych and drug tests to be a gun owner.
What % would still be allowed to carry if that were the case?
what percentage of cops or military would be allowed to carry if that were the case?
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what percentage of cops or military would be allowed to carry if that were the case?
Shit.
Ya got me here, lol...
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Exactly. I can't fault the good Samaritan. He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store. If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal. The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed. The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".
he thought he was walking - unarmed - into a life/death struggle. He should have called 911, or in in the unlikely event he didn't have a phone, notify door greeter/customer/whoever to call 911. He wanted to single-handedly disarm the older man. The problem is, the old man just sees some young kid tackle him without explanation - that gun might go off in the struggle and shoot an innocent bystander.
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Yup, no problems with open and carry. Everything will go smoothly, just like the NRA says. No foreseeable problems with people walking around with guns. Every human being that has a gun will follow the rules accordingly and there will be no problems whatsoever. Other people walking the streets will be able to perfectly distinguish between a criminal with a gun and a law abiding citizen with a gun. It's that easy. No problem at all.
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millions of americans carry on a daily basis and nothing happens...most people arent even aware that there are people carrying around them every day...yet the media blows up these anomoulous fluke situations and tries to cast them to call into question the whole gun thing ::)
i guess "Millions of americans carried guns today and nothing happened' doesnt make for a good headline ::)
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With all the shootings at WalMart, I don't know that I can blame the guy that tackled the armed Hebrew.
In 2014, there were at least 92 shooting incidents, leaving 16 people dead and 42 injured. This is up from 2013, where there were 83 shootings, leaving 24 killed and 42 injured -- an increase of over 10%. In 2012, there were "only" 53 shootings.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-khjHLA0W0v4/VLIwkJzmGLI/AAAAAAAACo0/RLXNkt4HbGg/s1600/shooting%2Btotals%2Bby%2B12-14.jpg )
http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/ (http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/)
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Yup, no problems with open and carry. Everything will go smoothly, just like the NRA says. No foreseeable problems with people walking around with guns. Every human being that has a gun will follow the rules accordingly and there will be no problems whatsoever. Other people walking the streets will be able to perfectly distinguish between a criminal with a gun and a law abiding citizen with a gun. It's that easy. No problem at all.
this is overwhelmingly the case, despite the endless laments and fearmongering of the left.
when the CC movement began a few decades ago, the left and the media was screaming bloody murder and saying it would be 'a return to the wild west' and that people would somehow instantly become cold blooded killers just because they were carrying, and would 'open fire to settle any small grievances' ::)
flash-forward all these years, and CC holders are statistically one of if not THE most law-abiding group in america, and CC has resulted in a virtually non-existant percentage of crime.
sucks when the facts get in the way of your little narratives, doesnt it ::)
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Fantastic copy paste thread. 10 pages easy.
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this is overwhelmingly the case, despite the endless laments and fearmongering of the left.
when the CC movement began a few decades ago, the left and the media was screaming bloody murder and saying it would be 'a return to the wild west' and that people would somehow instantly become cold blooded killers just because they were carrying, and would 'open fire to settle any small grievances' ::)
flash-forward all these years, and CC holders are statistically one of if not THE most law-abiding group in america, and CC has resulted in a virtually non-existant percentage of crime.
sucks when the facts get in the way of your little narratives, doesnt it ::)
I never said it will turn into the wild west, did I, genius? Epic trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself seem right. ::) ::) ::)
It may be overwhelmingly the case, but not in all cases. Humans are infallible. Shit is bound to hit the fan. With more people utilizing open and carry, expect more incidences like this to happen. The NRA was trying to put forth a narrative that something like this would NEVER EVER happen, which is the opposite. They just need to be honest and admit that incidences like this may occur. But in their tiny little minds, they do not even leave room for some of the possible negatives occurring. Nothing is 100% full proof. Every situation has pros and cons.
Also, you stated, "and CC has resulted in a virtually non-existant percentage of crime." Can you present evidence? Did you think I was really going to accept this statement without evidence? ::) ::)
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A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.
Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.
Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.
The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html (http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html)
I always pack heat in Walmart.
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It may be overwhelmingly the case, but not in all cases. Humans are infallible. Shit is bound to hit the fan. With more people utilizing open and carry, expect more incidences like this to happen. The NRA was trying to put forth a narrative that something like this would NEVER EVER happen, which is the opposite. They just need to be honest and admit that incidences like this may occur. But in their tiny little minds, they do not even leave room for some of the possible negatives occurring. Nothing is 100% full proof. Every situation has pros and cons.
Holy straw man, Batman! The NRA never, ever said that this would NEVER happen. And BTW, in this case, nobody got shot, nobody got hurt. The only thing that DID happen is that an anti-gun racist (are there any other kind) tackled a lawful black man for exercising his constitutional rights. Where the fuck did the NRA say that wouldn't happen?
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Holy straw man, Batman! The NRA never, ever said that this would NEVER happen. And BTW, in this case, nobody got shot, nobody got hurt. The only thing that DID happen is that an anti-gun racist (are there any other kind) tackled a lawful black man for exercising his constitutional rights. Where the fuck did the NRA say that wouldn't happen?
Wow, following me around. I feel honored.
Has the NRA ever put forth a narrative or discussed the cons or drawbacks of open and carry? Direct me to any source where the NRA has had an open and honest discussion about the possible pros AND cons of open and carry. I'll await your source.
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I never said it will turn into the wild west, did I, genius? Epic trying to put words in my mouth to make yourself seem right. ::) ::) ::)
It may be overwhelmingly the case, but not in all cases. Humans are infallible. Shit is bound to hit the fan. With more people utilizing open and carry, expect more incidences like this to happen. The NRA was trying to put forth a narrative that something like this would NEVER EVER happen, which is the opposite. They just need to be honest and admit that incidences like this may occur. But in their tiny little minds, they do not even leave room for some of the possible negatives occurring. Nothing is 100% full proof. Every situation has pros and cons.
Also, you stated, "and CC has resulted in a virtually non-existant percentage of crime." Can you present evidence? Did you think I was really going to accept this statement without evidence? ::) ::)
no one, and certainly not the NRA, ever made the claim that 'nothing bad would ever happen, ever' ::)
and there is plenty of evidence showing CC holders commit virtually no crime. look it up if you dare.
and your reasoning is absurd. by that logic, our entire system of roadways and the automobile would never have been put into use, because despite being statitstically extremely safe, occassionally there are accidents. hell CC is statistically FAR safer than allowing anyone in the world to get behind a 4000pound block of steel that can travel over 100 mph and get on the road with thousands of others where they will pass within inches of each other thousands of times per day
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Story tells nothing about his favorite coffee creamer brand :-\
And who the fuck goes to a filthy smelly stinky Walmart just for creamer? I suspect there's more to the story than we are being told. Perhaps he was planning to buy condoms too and have sex with a white woman?
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Wow, following me around. I feel honored.
It's not easy, but it has to be done.
Has the NRA ever put forth a narrative or discussed the cons or drawbacks of open and carry?
Quite a lot, actually. The NRA is actually pretty much against open carry, for the reasons that most would think: scary, unintended intimidation, law enforcement overreaction. The NRA actually publicly admonished the Texas Open Carry folks for being "inciteful".
I am a bit mixed on open carry. I wish that we lived in a country where it was acceptable, but we don't right now.
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no one, and certainly not the NRA, ever made the claim that 'nothing bad would ever happen, ever' ::)
and there is plenty of evidence showing CC holders commit virtually no crime. look it up if you dare.
and your reasoning is absurd. by that logic, our entire system of roadways and the automobile would never have been put into use, because despite being statitstically extremely safe, occassionally there are accidents. hell CC is statistically FAR safer than allowing anyone in the world to get behind a 4000pound block of steel that can travel over 100 mph and get on the road with thousands of others where they will pass within inches of each other thousands of times per day
As stated to AJ, has the NRA ever had an open and honest discussion about the pros and cons of open and carry? If not, and only discussing the pros, its pretty equivalent to saying something bad will never happen. Why not discuss the potential cons that may happen? And if they had this discussion, then I am wrong, but Ive never heard it happen before.
Why should I look for the stats? Youre the one making the claim, therefore you should provide the data. I will take that as you not having the actual data to back up your claims and instead putting it on me. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. Ill await your evidence, if you choose to provide it.
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It's not easy, but it has to be done.
Quite a lot, actually. The NRA is actually pretty much against open carry, for the reasons that most would think: scary, unintended intimidation, law enforcement overreaction. The NRA actually publicly admonished the Texas Open Carry folks for being "inciteful".
I am a bit mixed on open carry. I wish that we lived in a country where it was acceptable, but we don't right now.
Yes, but then texas fired back and NRA withdrew their statement. You missed that part, huh? :D :D
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no one, and certainly not the NRA, ever made the claim that 'nothing bad would ever happen, ever' ::)
and there is plenty of evidence showing CC holders commit virtually no crime. look it up if you dare.
and your reasoning is absurd. by that logic, our entire system of roadways and the automobile would never have been put into use, because despite being statitstically extremely safe, occassionally there are accidents. hell CC is statistically FAR safer than allowing anyone in the world to get behind a 4000pound block of steel that can travel over 100 mph and get on the road with thousands of others where they will pass within inches of each other thousands of times per day
oh shut up already.
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As stated to AJ, has the NRA ever had an open and honest discussion about the pros and cons of open and carry? If not, and only discussing the pros, its pretty equivalent to saying something bad will never happen. Why not discuss the potential cons that may happen? And if they had this discussion, then I am wrong, but Ive never heard it happen before.
Why should I look for the stats? Youre the one making the claim, therefore you should provide the data. I will take that as you not having the actual data to back up your claims and instead putting it on me. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. Ill await your evidence, if you choose to provide it.
1. you clearly have no clue whatsoever about either the NRA or the subject at hand. your claim is utterly ridiculous
2. Im am simply relating established fact. you are the one challenging said facts and claiming different, so the onus is on you to show some data to disprove the established consensus. myslef and the rest of the world eagerly awaits your groundbreaking, newly discovered data.
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oh shut up already.
sorry data and evidence gets in the way of your little narratives. sucks doesnt it :-*
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oh shut up already.
You are giving up too early. Next time it's traditional to call those who don't share your opinion "Nazis" before you fire the "shut up" explanation.
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haha yes Aj, its only a matter of time before they pull out their Race Card as well
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sorry data and evidence gets in the way of your little narratives. sucks doesnt it :-*
my "narratives"?
how about a thought from you that wasn't cut and pasted into your brain.
next you'll be telling us about "talking points" and "planks in platforms".
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sorry data and evidence gets in the way of your little narratives. sucks doesnt it :-*
What data and evidence? Lol you have provided statements. I don't see any data or evidence.
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You are giving up too early. Next time it's traditional to call those who don't share your opinion "Nazis" before you fire the "shut up" explanation.
i have to explain to you that that wasn't an "explanation" but a suggested course of action?
if you are going to blubber on and on without making any sense, sooner or later a "shut up" will pop up. that is what non sense elicits.
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Some Stats: http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/
Myth: People with concealed weapons permits will commit crimes
State 11 Permits issued Revoked permits % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
Minnesota 46,636 17
12 0.03% 8.0% 18
Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%
Fact: The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry permits are similar.
Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20
Fact: People with concealed carry permits are: 21
•5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
•13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
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A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.
Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.
Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.
The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html (http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html)
Did this happen at the Walmart you work at?
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Some Stats: http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/
Myth: People with concealed weapons permits will commit crimes
State 11 Permits issued Revoked permits % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
Minnesota 46,636 17
12 0.03% 8.0% 18
Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%
Fact: The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry permits are similar.
Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20
Fact: People with concealed carry permits are: 21
•5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
•13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
Thank you for the stats.
However, my stance never implied that people who open and carry are criminals.
My stance was that incidences that occur in the OP article will happen. There are many incidences that can happen. For example, some guy thinking someone with open and carry is a criminal and will attack him; a person with open and carry trying to shoot a criminal, missing, and killing an innocent child. I am well aware that people who carry open and carry are not out there blasting people away. I never said that. As stated, I was referring to the many other mishaps that can occur with open and carry.
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Thank you for the stats.
However, my stance never implied that people who open and carry are criminals.
My stance was that incidences that occur in the OP article will happen. There are many incidences that can happen. For example, some guy thinking someone with open and carry is a criminal and will attack him; a person with open and carry trying to shoot a criminal, missing, and killing an innocent child. I am well aware that people who carry open and carry are not out there blasting people away. I never said that. As stated, I was referring to the many other mishaps that can occur with open and carry.
I don't think that the guy was open carrying. I think that he "flashed" and his concealed weapon was seen.
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a gun is a tool used to damage and take life.
i'm in a store, i guy walks in with a gun strapped to his side.
i have no way of knowing if he is a good guy, just there to shop, or if he is there to rob and shoot.
i don't have gun. so now i have to walk around people who hold tools design to kill and i have to hope they don't use them.
the rejoinder to that is to carry a gun myself just in case one of them does intend to use theirs.
so we all end up having to carry guns.
we all know that is the logical progression. all the scenarios have been thought of and posed. "they", the powers behind any agenda, know the realities.
it goes forward anyway. therein lies the meaningful inspection and discussion.
while we argue back and forth about shit they already settled, they are able to set the agenda.
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Did this happen at the Walmart you work at?
I do not work for a Walmart store.
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a gun is a tool used to damage and take life.
i'm in a store, i guy walks in with a gun strapped to his side.
i have no way of knowing if he is a good guy, just there to shop, or if he is there to rob and shoot.
i don't have gun. so now i have to walk around people who hold tools design to kill and i have to hope they don't use them.
the rejoinder to that is to carry a gun myself just in case one of them does intend to use theirs.
so we all end up having to carry guns.
we all know that is the logical progression. all the scenarios have been thought of and posed. "they", the powers behind any agenda, know the realities.
it goes forward anyway. therein lies the meaningful inspection and discussion.
while we argue back and forth about shit they already settled, they are able to set the agenda.
You must be very fearful around police officers.
Oh, and a gun is a tool designed to propel a hunk of metal down a tube.
Now can we discuss that foil hat on your head? You know, not everything is a conspiracy. Some times, it's just a policy disagreement or a disagreement about the role of government in our lives.
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You must be very fearful around police officers.
Oh, and a gun is a tool designed to propel a hunk of metal down a tube.
Now can we discuss that foil hat on your head? You know, not everything is a conspiracy. Some times, it's just a policy disagreement or a disagreement about the role of government in our lives.
you should read what you write.
everything shouldn't have to be broken down for you.
if i say you think like a kid, you'll get upset. but you do.
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you should read what you write.
everything shouldn't have to be broken down for you.
if i say you think like a kid, you'll get upset. but you do.
Watch your tone when you address Vox Populi
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you should read what you write.
everything shouldn't have to be broken down for you.
if i say you think like a kid, you'll get upset. but you do.
You post exactly like Groink.
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I do not work for a Walmart store.
but you did in the past. Correct? Didn't Josh call your boss at walmart?
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but you did in the past. Correct? Didn't Josh call your boss at walmart?
Thats not how the events unfolded. Either way, it's over and done with.
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a gun is a tool used to damage and take life.
i'm in a store, i guy walks in with a gun strapped to his side.
i have no way of knowing if he is a good guy, just there to shop, or if he is there to rob and shoot.
i don't have gun. so now i have to walk around people who hold tools design to kill and i have to hope they don't use them.
the rejoinder to that is to carry a gun myself just in case one of them does intend to use theirs.
so we all end up having to carry guns.
we all know that is the logical progression. all the scenarios have been thought of and posed. "they", the powers behind any agenda, know the realities.
it goes forward anyway. therein lies the meaningful inspection and discussion.
while we argue back and forth about shit they already settled, they are able to set the agenda.
i think you are making too much out of this.
chances are you are ALREADY passing tons of people who are carrying every time you venture into public, and nothing happens.
the idea that average citizens carrying will somehow turn them into 'threats' or make them more inclined to violence is just silly. the truth is, its just not that big of a deal. people dont need to get so worried about this stuff
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I do not work for a Walmart store.
Couldn't pass the drug test?
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You post exactly like Groink.
never heard of him but he must have been an on the ball dude.
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Couldn't pass the drug test?
I have never failed a drug test in my life. Never had to sweat one out either.
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In Florida alone, there are millions of concealed carry permit holders. This is not an everyday occurance.
In NH, we have concealed permits, but you can open carry without a permit. I was in a Walmart once and saw a big white dude with a POS "Uncle Mikes" holster carrying a POS Ruger 9mm in open carry. I knew he wasn't a cop because of the crappiness of his holster.
I asked him if he was LEO and when he said no, we just started talking about guns. I mentioned that he needed some decent leather and he knew it.
It's culture. We don't have a lot (any?) crime and a lot of guns, so it's normal or at least not scary abnormal to see that. In FL, folks are a little more edgy. Especially since the legal carry permit holder in this story was Hebrew.
I live in New Hampshire and I have never seen any one open carry in public. I do, however, know a lot of gun happy people.
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I have never failed a drug test in my life. Never had to sweat one out either.
No one ever fails a drug test they don't take.
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I live in New Hampshire and I have never seen any one open carry in public. I do, however, know a lot of gun happy people.
where i live, businesses, like KFC, supermarkets, car dealerships, have signs in their windows that say "firearms are prohibited" with a circle/slash over a gun.
it is now easy to get a concealed carry license in Illinois.
chances are i do pass tons of people everyday with guns.
that doesn't mean the experiment is over, it just beginning.
the results already starting to come in.
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I live in New Hampshire and I have never seen any one open carry in public. I do, however, know a lot of gun happy people.
This guy was the only one that I have seen in a business. I have seen some at rallies and such.
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No one ever fails a drug test they don't take.
I have been employed continuously for the past 17 years. I'm 33, so do the math.
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so you can get a licence to carry a concealed gun, but does this mean it cannot be taken out and used? If so what is the point of carrying one in the first place unless there is intention of use? If it has to be concealed then obviously it can't even be taken out to scare someone, very confusing rules. And what criteria do you have to meet to get a permit?
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so you can get a licence to carry a concealed gun, but does this mean it cannot be taken out and used? If so what is the point of carrying one in the first place unless there is intention of use? If it has to be concealed then obviously it can't even be taken out to scare someone, very confusing rules. And what criteria do you have to meet to get a permit?
I guess what they mean by conceal is when youre carrying it around it has to be concealed. But you can use it if your life is in danger.
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so you can get a licence to carry a concealed gun, but does this mean it cannot be taken out and used? If so what is the point of carrying one in the first place unless there is intention of use? If it has to be concealed then obviously it can't even be taken out to scare someone, very confusing rules. And what criteria do you have to meet to get a permit?
you have to keep it concealed.
show it to scare someone, you get a year in prison.
point it at someone, you're looking at 2-3 years.
fire it to scare someone, now you're in the 5 year area.
you have to be 100% without felony arrests, no domestic abuse drama, no mental illness, background check, all that to get it. It's essentially a "good guy" card - if you have one, then you've managed to keep your nose clean.
There are exceptions - Zimmerman still has his. Imagine that.
he shoved a cop, assaulted his women, capped trayvon, and has had 3 charges since then, plus one threatening to kill a man in traffic. But since he's stayed beneath the felony line, he can still legally carry a suitcase full of rifles and backpack full of glocks to buy his morning donuts.
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I guess what they mean by conceal is when youre carrying it around it has to be concealed. But you can use it if your life is in danger.
Sounds self-explanatory to me ???
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I have been employed continuously for the past 17 years. I'm 33, so do the math.
Math says you're a high school dropout who has, and will, work menial minimum wage jobs for your entire pathetic existence.
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Math says you're a high school dropout who has, and will, work menial minimum wage jobs for your entire pathetic existence.
You having a go brah? 8)
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Sounds self-explanatory to me ???
I thought so.
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so yeah it has to be concealed no matter what, do any of the 3 things you listed below and your're looking at prison time so why permit anyone to carry in the first place...?
you have to keep it concealed.
show it to scare someone, you get a year in prison.
point it at someone, you're looking at 2-3 years.
fire it to scare someone, now you're in the 5 year area.
you have to be 100% without felony arrests, no domestic abuse drama, no mental illness, background check, all that to get it. It's essentially a "good guy" card - if you have one, then you've managed to keep your nose clean.
There are exceptions - Zimmerman still has his. Imagine that.
he shoved a cop, assaulted his women, capped trayvon, and has had 3 charges since then, plus one threatening to kill a man in traffic. But since he's stayed beneath the felony line, he can still legally carry a suitcase full of rifles and backpack full of glocks to buy his morning donuts.
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so yeah it has to be concealed no matter what, do any of the 3 things you listed below and your're looking at prison time so why permit anyone to carry in the first place...?
LOL..you're thick man.............TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING FACE!
DO YOU SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE LIST SHIT YOU CAN'T DO?
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so yeah it has to be concealed no matter what, do any of the 3 things you listed below and your're looking at prison time so why permit anyone to carry in the first place...?
because 120 pound twinks can get their ass kicked by 220 pound jerks.
because a group of 4 teenagers with kitchen knives can kill a man and his family.
because the bad guys already have guns, and won't give them up.
because many things can happen in a dangerous world.
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because 120 pound twinks can get their ass kicked by 220 pound jerks.
because a group of 4 teenagers with kitchen knives can kill a man and his family.
because the bad guys already have guns, and won't give them up.
because many things can happen in a dangerous world.
And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?
You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.
You can't count on the other person to run.
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And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?
You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.
You can't count on the other person to run.
Yes, yes and yes. All true.
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And do you feel that you can safely get to your gun in time, without actually doing yourself more harm?
You quickly go for a gun, and you better be ready to kill, or be killed.
You can't count on the other person to run.
I feel confident that if the other guy wants to kill me, and I don't have a gun, there is probably a 100% chance that I get wasted.
if I have my own gun, that % goes down a bit. I like that.
he might get me too, but you can be I'm taking that cat with me.
I'm a grown man with a family... I don't think any grown man here on getbig would hesitate to fire a weapon if he and his family were in danger of a forcible felony. We wouldn't want to. We pray it never happens. We would try to de-escalate the situation and find an outcome that doesn't involve deadly force.
But at the end of the day, if the bad guy makes it clear it's killing time, I have to think most of us getbiggers would do what we had to do. Personally, I PRAY that day never comes.
honestly tho, just having the gun usually diffuses most situations. You can grin, put hand on fanny or butt of concealed weapons, and just tell the bag of shit to fck with someone else. "I aint the one... there are 7 billion other people in the world. Go fck with one of them". bad guys size up a room. if you're 210 with aware eyes, fanny pack and your right hand is itchy, they're going to pick on some self-involved twit playing facebook.
(you dont have to be faster than the bear... you just have to be faster than your buddy.)
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haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
LOL..you're thick man.............TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING FACE!
DO YOU SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON THE LIST SHIT YOU CAN'T DO?
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You having a go brah? 8)
I'd like to have a Knooger-like "go" with you brah! ;D
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haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
yes.
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lets all just carry guns, that'll show the bad guys....cause nobody has ever thought of it before.
there is no such thing as history to learn from.
haven't you guys noticed the population has been divided into camps, with each one shouting "hooray for our side".
we get fed a steady stream of bullshit to keeps us divided and thus conquered.
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haha, yep i'm thick, just trying to figure out what the point is of permitting people to carry a concealed weapon, is there any scenario where that permit allows it to be taken out and used?
go on over to _aj_'s house late at night, he'll demonstrate.
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go on over to _aj_'s house late at night, he'll demonstrate.
Dressed in blackface?
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Dressed in blackface?
that's become optional.
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306)
sorry libs :D
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http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306 (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2015/01/23/women-continue-to-line-up-for-concealed-carry-permits-n1947306)
sorry libs :D
That's great to see. More women taking charge of their safety.
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2 idiots.
One is a CCW idiot letting his gun show because he's ignorant and insecure.
One is zimmerman wannabe that tackles strangers instead of calling 911.
in times like these, you kinda wish a shelf had fallen and crushed them both in the melee.
totally agree lol 2 dumb ass idiots, wow
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So this dude DID NOT keep his concealed right? Cos the other guy saw it...
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The only thing that DID happen is that an anti-gun racist
There are no grounds on which to say this guy was an anti gun racist.
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do americans really feel the need
to have to take a gun in to the grocery store
You never know when someone will sneak up behind you and place you in a choke hold... Oh Wait.
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a gun is a tool used to damage and take life.
i'm in a store, i guy walks in with a gun strapped to his side.
i have no way of knowing if he is a good guy, just there to shop, or if he is there to rob and shoot.
i don't have gun. so now i have to walk around people who hold tools design to kill and i have to hope they don't use them.
the rejoinder to that is to carry a gun myself just in case one of them does intend to use theirs.
so we all end up having to carry guns.
we all know that is the logical progression. all the scenarios have been thought of and posed. "they", the powers behind any agenda, know the realities.
it goes forward anyway. therein lies the meaningful inspection and discussion.
while we argue back and forth about shit they already settled, they are able to set the agenda.
Here is little secret for you to know: You should be afraid only for those guns, which are pointed to you. All the other guns may save your life, when someone point a gun to you at the front of the citizen who has ccw permit. This happen all the time in USA.
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Some Stats: http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/concealed-carry/
Myth: People with concealed weapons permits will commit crimes
State 11 Permits issued Revoked permits % Revoked Violent Crime Rate Change 12
Florida 1,327,321 13 4,129 0.3% -30.5%
Virginia 50,000 14 0 0.0% -21.9%
Arizona 63,000 15 50 0.9% -28.7%
North Carolina 59,597 16 1,274 1.2% -26.4%
Minnesota 46,636 17
12 0.03% 8.0% 18
Michigan 155,000 19 2,178 0.1% 1.4%
Fact: The results for the first 30 states that passed “shall-issue” laws for concealed carry permits are similar.
Fact: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime. 20
Fact: People with concealed carry permits are: 21
•5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
•13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
Nice statistics. One major myths of the CCW busted. Of course anybody with the brains would know that already, but as we know, weapon haters doesn't have the ability to use their brains. Their hate is based just on emotions, not on the facts, and that makes them idiots. It is always just same, no matter where you are. Anti-gun people talks about fictive, emotion based scenarios, and pro gun people use just facts.
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the only legitimate argument for carrying guns
is that people like guns
thats it there is no other argument
everything else is just bullshit
if you made guns illegal in the ststaes less people would be killed
they did it in austrailia and it had a dramatic effect
all the people arguing for guns just admit it makes you feel more of a man carrying a gun
its a primeval thing we are by nature hunters and killers
its buried deep but is there
guns dont kill people
people kill people
therefore give people guns and you make it easier for them to kill people
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the only legitimate argument for carrying guns
is that people like guns
thats it there is no other argument
everything else is just bullshit
if you made guns illegal in the ststaes less people would be killed
they did it in austrailia and it had a dramatic effect
all the people arguing for guns just admit it makes you feel more of a man carrying a gun
its a primeval thing we are by nature hunters and killers
its buried deep but is there
guns dont kill people
people kill people
therefore give people guns and you make it easier for them to kill people
So self-defense isn't real, never happens, and is an illegitimate reason to own a gun?
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Does having a gun on your person, actually make you safer, or does it make you feel safer?
I would say that most that have CCW'S have no business carrying a gun in public. If something happened, they would either get themselves killed, or rush to judgment and unlawfully shoot someone.
Guns are better served to protect a mans home.
Some people watch too many movies.
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So self-defense isn't real, never happens, and is an illegitimate reason to own a gun?
do you have kids aj
and if so you clearly dont want them to pick up your guns at home
so where do you keep your guns at home?
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Exactly. I can't fault the good Samaritan. He saw a guy putting a gun in his pants heading towards a store. If it had been a robbery in progress he would be getting a medal. The permit holder was stupid for not taking the precautions required for carrying concealed. The only issue I see here is that the Samaritan ignored his claims that he "had a permit".
lol this logic seems a bit fked up
so there is no issue with the guy coming in the shop armed as long as no one sees him conceal the gun. surely someone about to commit a robbery would be more likely than someone who is doing nothing wrong, to make sure he isn't spotted concealing his weapon as not to alert anyone and give prior warning of what he is going to do.
but i just can't comprehend how everyday people would feel the need to arm themselves with a lethal weapon just to walk around the shops ???
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do you have kids aj
and if so you clearly dont want them to pick up your guns at home
so where do you keep your guns at home?
Yes. I do. My son happens to be very responsible. That said, the guns are in various locked boxes thought the house. Only my wife and I can get in.
This, of course, has nothing to do with my question. Do you believe that self-defense is a legitimate reason for a gun, yes or no?
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I would say that most that have CCW'S have no business carrying a gun in public. If something happened, they would either get themselves killed, or rush to judgment and unlawfully shoot someone.
And yet actual proof, fact, and experience shows that your opinion is wrong. Millions of CCW holder carry every day. Where is the carnage? Where are the people killing themselves because theyare so untrained? Where is "Dodge City?"
It doesn't fucking exist! So you can stop having that opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinion, nobody is entitled to their own facts.
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And yet actual proof, fact, and experience shows that your opinion is wrong. Millions of CCW holder carry every day. Where is the carnage? Where are the people killing themselves because theyare so untrained? Where is "Dodge City?"
It doesn't fucking exist! So you can stop having that opinion. We are all entitled to our own opinion, nobody is entitled to their own facts.
It doesn't take much to get a CCW. Wouldn't you agree?
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It doesn't take much to get a CCW. Wouldn't you agree?
It depends on the state. I was a State Police instructor for civilian CCW in Mass and it was a 2 day course with a range test and a whole section on lethal force laws. Also in MA, the CLEO could disqualify you for any reason he felt, so in MA, you more than likely had to be white, male and somewhat politically connected if your local chief was a dick.
In NH, it's a one-page form, $5 and they have to give it to you if you don't have a record.
There is no difference in the crime that CCW holders commit in either state: zero.
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It depends on the state. I was a State Police instructor for civilian CCW in Mass and it was a 2 day course with a range test and a whole section on lethal force laws. Also in MA, the CLEO could disqualify you for any reason he felt, so in MA, you more than likely had to be white, male and somewhat politically connected if your local chief was a dick.
In NH, it's a one-page form, $5 and they have to give it to you if you don't have a record.
There is no difference in the crime that CCW holders commit in either state: zero.
I still say it should be a more uniform process.
In Fla, (my brother has his CCW) all you need is a clean record, and take a 4 hour course. Not enough required in my opinion.
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I still say it should be a more uniform process.
In Fla, (my brother has his CCW) all you need is a clean record, and take a 4 hour course. Not enough required in my opinion.
Most gun owners that I know make a point of getting additional instruction. In NH we are blessed with one of the finest training facilities in the world at the SigArms Academy in Epping. Courses are very reasonable and teach a variety of skills. I have probably taken 15 different intermediate and advanced courses in the past 15 years.
I just take it as a given that most CCW holders around here are hobbyists and as such have a passion for the tools that surpasses an individual police officer. Your average LEO goes through the academy with the basics of marksmanship and then "qualifies" once a year (10 shots, hit paper, no movement). I will always argue that the average CCW holder is more proficient with their weapon than the average cop.
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A simple errand turned violent for Clarence Daniels this week when he went to Walmart for some coffee creamer and wound up in a chokehold.
Upon arriving at the Walmart in Florida’s Hillsborough County on Tuesday, the 62-year-old Daniels, who is black, grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat. Watching this from inside the store was Michael Foster, a 43-year-old white man described by the Tampa Bay Times as “a well-intentioned vigilante.” As soon as Daniels walked into the store, Foster tackled him, shouting, “He’s got a gun!” Ignoring Daniels’ repeated yells of, “I have a permit!” Foster proceeded to put him into a chokehold. When sheriff’s deputies arrived on the scene, they confirmed that Daniels was indeed a concealed carry permit holder and Foster was arrested and charged with battery.
Fortunately, no one was injured in the scuffle, which might explain why the incident was not widely covered and why the local coverage chalked it up to an honest misunderstanding. And maybe it was an honest misunderstanding. But Foster’s instinct to take matters into his own hands and attack a man he thought might pose a threat to his fellow Walmart shoppers pulls into focus the state of vigilantism in the U.S., and Florida in particular.
The rest of the article can be found here:http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html (http://news.yahoo.com/man-assaulted-by-vigilante-at-florida-walmart-230643501.html)
Tampa aint no joke
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I still say it should be a more uniform process.
Unless somebody wants to propose a federal CCW (which likely wouldn't pass Constitutional muster), it will always be a state issue and will have variances. Federalism!
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Unless somebody wants to propose a federal CCW (which likely wouldn't pass Constitutional muster), it will always be a state issue and will have variances. Federalism!
Great! So auntie bee can get a CCW with little to no gun experience.
Hopefully she doesnt go all foxtrot at the bingo emporium.
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Great! So auntie bee can get a CCW with little to no gun experience.
Hopefully she doesnt go all foxtrot at the bingo emporium.
Again, "Auntie Bee" has been getting a CCW in most states now for 20 years. Show me ANYTHING to suggest that this hasn't worked out EXACTLY like the NRA said it would. Where is the death? Where are the road-rage homicides?
You're just trolling now.
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Again, "Auntie Bee" has been getting a CCW in most states now for 20 years. Show me ANYTHING to suggest that this hasn't worked out EXACTLY like the NRA said it would. Where is the death? Where are the road-rage homicides?
You're just trolling now.
:D
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:D
And it's working on me! Dang. Fell into it again.
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And it's working on me! Dang. Fell into it again.
Meltdown.
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You're such a fucking loser .
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You're such a fucking loser .
Thanks.
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the only legitimate argument for carrying guns
is that people like guns
thats it there is no other argument
everything else is just bullshit
if you made guns illegal in the ststaes less people would be killed
they did it in austrailia and it had a dramatic effect
all the people arguing for guns just admit it makes you feel more of a man carrying a gun
its a primeval thing we are by nature hunters and killers
its buried deep but is there
guns dont kill people
people kill people
therefore give people guns and you make it easier for them to kill people
Childish bullshit. Crap like this shows what kind of intelligence is behind anti gun thinking.
1. gun is only a tool, it is for hobby, or for self defense.
2. http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/ (http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/) there you can read what self defense means in USA
3. how about the guns which are in hands of gangs, criminals, terrorists etc. ? How would we fight against them, with sticks ?
If you are serious about your view, just pick any given gangster and go to him, and ask him to give his gun to be destroyed. Before doing that, leave a note for your parents, so they can write here what happen, when the funerals are etc. if someone want to send some flowers. ;D
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Yes. I do. My son happens to be very responsible. That said, the guns are in various locked boxes thought the house. Only my wife and I can get in.
This, of course, has nothing to do with my question. Do you believe that self-defense is a legitimate reason for a gun, yes or no?
bare with me
so if an armed attacker broke in to your house
you as a responsible gun owner would have to get the key unlock the box load the gun
then shooot him
im not convinced he would wait
i would therefore argue you would be better with a baseball bat next to your bed
your guns are not for self defence you need to admit this as the starting point for the debate
you would need to keeo a loaded gun next to your bed ready to snatch and shoot
as a responsibleadult you would or should not do this
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Childish bullshit. Crap like this shows what kind of intelligence is behind anti gun thinking.
1. gun is only a tool, it is for hobby, or for self defense.
2. http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/ (http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/) there you can read what self defense means in USA
3. how about the guns which are in hands of gangs, criminals, terrorists etc. ? How would we fight against them, with sticks ?
If you are serious about your view, just pick any given gangster and go to him, and ask him to give his gun to be destroyed. Before doing that, leave a note for your parents, so they can write here what happen, when the funerals are etc. if someone want to send some flowers. ;D
do you have an armed police force and an army
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Is anyone over there not living in a perpetual state of fear anymore or is that the new normal?
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bare with me
so if an armed attacker broke in to your house
you as a responsible gun owner would have to get the key unlock the box load the gun
then shooot him
im not convinced he would wait
i would therefore argue you would be better with a baseball bat next to your bed
your guns are not for self defence you need to admit this as the starting point for the debate
you would need to keeo a loaded gun next to your bed ready to snatch and shoot
as a responsibleadult you would or should not do this
Biometric locks open with a fingerprint.
Three dogs can make quite a stir. I figure I have about 3 minutes in the dark. I have body armor to get on too.
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No night vision? Most home invasions happen after dark.
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Is anyone over there not living in a perpetual state of fear anymore or is that the new normal?
No, it just the gun nuts. Sure, I can get robbed or killed when I leave my house, but I do not have that sort of fear that I feel like I need to protect myself every moment of the day.
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This is why I only live in nice neighborhoods.
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Biometric locks open with a fingerprint.
Three dogs can make quite a stir. I figure I have about 3 minutes in the dark. I have body armor to get on too.
nice set up
have you tried going through the process when your heart beat is massively elevated
and you are under extreme stress
you know that biometrics can fail when you are sweating a lot
wouldnt be as easy as you think
the dogs are difinitely the best first line of defence though
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Actually a mined perimeter is the best first line of defence.
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nice set up
have you tried going through the process when your heart beat is massively elevated
and you are under extreme stress
you know that biometrics can fail when you are sweating a lot
wouldnt be as easy as you think
the dogs are difinitely the best first line of defence though
Not the heart rate, but I have run it at night. The first time doing it was fucking hilarious. Thank God I ran it with empty magazines.
As for night vision, only if I could afford Gen4. You get used to the best...
No replacement for home field, though. Modern man puts too much emphasis on vision. Your ears are your friend. At least until that first gun shot and then your ears are pretty much offline.
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do you have an armed police force and an army
And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.
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And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.
The courts here very clearly ruled that the police do NOT have a requirement to "protect" the public. Their job is to apprehend bad guys (eventually) and bring them to court.
The job of protection falls to the individual. Feel free to abdicate that responsibility, but don't look for sympathy while the world trends ever-Hobbsian.
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we make drugs, gambling and whoring illegal, but carrying guns is no problem.
if we have to carry guns to feel safe, then it must mean our law enforcement doesn't make us feel safe. yet the answer there isn't examine and fix that, no pay this bastards a good living, giving the best benefits and pensions and then we'll handle protection ourselves.
why the fuck are we paying cops for then?
i can't place a $5 bet on the super bowl because i have to be saved from myself, but i'm allowed to carry a gun.
none of you pro carry people ever ask "why should have to have the need to carry a gun in the first place" and if you do you accept a simpleton's answer "because liberals make it an unsafe place to live".
the powers that be count on being able to brain wash the weak minded and they do and it works.
and the rest of us have to suffer.
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we make drugs, gambling and whoring illegal, but carrying guns is no problem.
if we have to carry guns to feel safe, then it must mean our law enforcement doesn't make us feel safe. yet the answer there isn't examine and fix that, no pay this bastards a good living, giving the best benefits and pensions and then we'll handle protection ourselves.
why the fuck are we paying cops for then?
i can't place a $5 bet on the super bowl because i have to be saved from myself, but i'm allowed to carry a gun.
none of you pro carry people ever ask "why should have to have the need to carry a gun in the first place" and if you do you accept a simpleton's answer "because liberals make it an unsafe place to live".
the powers that be count on being able to brain wash the weak minded and they do and it works.
and the rest of us have to suffer.
Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.
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Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family. "Red dog! Red dog! Ducks are on the pond! Proceed to defensive position Alpha. Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"
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The courts here very clearly ruled that the police do NOT have a requirement to "protect" the public. Their job is to apprehend bad guys (eventually) and bring them to court.
The job of protection falls to the individual. Feel free to abdicate that responsibility, but don't look for sympathy while the world trends ever-Hobbsian.
and so the next question would be, can a society form a group of citizens charged specifically with protecting the rest of the citizens, which we then give a name to such as "police force".
the answer must be yes, that cannot be unconstitutional. so if the courts ruled that, it had to be based on how the police charter was written. the solution is to change the charter so it reads properly. that's it.
that court ruling can be made moot easily.
dude, this is a fucked up country, no way around it.
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Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family. "Red dog! Red dog! Ducks are on the pond! Proceed to defensive position Alpha. Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"
Haha! My son is always suggesting ideas from Modern Warfare that involve explosives. My wife keeps grumbling, "Don't give your father any ideas".
I like the way that kid thinks.
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and so the next question would be, can a society form a group of citizens charged specifically with protecting the rest of the citizens, which we then give a name to such as "police force".
the answer must be yes, that cannot be unconstitutional. so if the courts ruled that, it had to be based on how the police charter was written. the solution is to change the charter so it reads properly. that's it.
that court ruling can be made moot easily.
dude, this is a fucked up country, no way around it.
The transformation started when police stopped referring to themselves as "Peace Officers" and started using the more appropriate moniker "Law Enforcement Officers"
I think you can see what they did there.
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The transformation started when police stopped referring to themselves as "Peace Officers" and started using the more appropriate moniker "Law Enforcement Officers"
I think you can see what they did there.
you troll without realizing you do.
word games mean something to you? we are the government not the police. if the changed how they refer to themselves, then we change it back. simple, the police force only has the power the people have vested in them, not one shred more.
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you troll without realizing you do.
word games mean something to you? we are the government not the police. if the changed how they refer to themselves, then we change it back. simple, the police force only has the power the people have vested in them, not one shred more.
You appear to have a very simplistic view of the relationship between the State and The People. Perhaps, you can enunciate on this "simple" way of reframing America's police forces.
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And they are all the time everywhere? What is real function of police forces? They come to study what has happen. How this would help you, if someone pulls gun on you when you stand in the traffic lights? Your comments are so childish that you have to be 6 years old, or seriously handicapped, meaning retard.
Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.
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Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.
the answers are simple but complex in their layers. to get into it fully it would take a lot more then a few posts on a forum. and of course none of us, including the cult of FOX, have hard and fast solutions, but more to the point is the direction we move in to find those solutions. are we going to find them moving in the current direction or not?
i think not. i think we need to move in a different direction, take a different approach than we've been doing for many decades.
if you want an easy answer, which i think you other like minded people want, then all you're going to get is failure. when the gun carrying shit causes injustice, you are going to blame someone else, again.
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the answers are simple but complex in their layers. to get into it fully it would take a lot more then a few posts on a forum. and of course none of us, including the cult of FOX, have hard and fast solutions, but more to the point is the direction we move in to find those solutions. are we going to find them moving in the current direction or not?
i think not. i think we need to move in a different direction, take a different approach than we've been doing for many decades.
if you want an easy answer, which i think you other like minded people want, then all you're going to get is failure. when the gun carrying shit causes injustice, you are going to blame someone else, again.
I am a realist. I take active steps to protect myself and my family. Your strategy appears to be to wish really hard for things to change and to decry those that don't share your trust in your wish fantasy.
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Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.
So ridiculously lame.
Really narrows down the list of idiots behind this gimmick
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Ok. How would you make our country a "safe place to live?" Please be specific about policy changes.
you cant but with something like guns
you have to legislate by the lowest common denominator
are you safe to carry a gun i would venture you are
but there are creepy weirdos out there who can go in to a store and buy a gun
that they can then go in to a school and kill multiple victims with
i would argue you make it as difficult as possible for these people to get guns
in the uk you can get a firearm if you are a gangster
but a weirdo cant just walk up to a g and get a gun
it self regulates
do we have gun crime yes
do 18 year old creepy virgins walk in to cinemas and schools and shoot the place up
no
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you cant but with something like guns
you have to legislate by the lowest common denominator
are you safe to carry a gun i would venture you are
but there are creepy weirdos out there who can go in to a store and buy a gun
that they can then go in to a school and kill multiple victims with
i would argue you make it as difficult as possible for these people to get guns
in the uk you can get a firearm if you are a gangster
but a weirdo cant just walk up to a g and get a gun
it self regulates
do we have gun crime yes
do 18 year old creepy virgins walk in to cinemas and schools and shoot the place up
no
I tend to see the world in terms of "criminal" and "non-criminal". If someone is a non-criminal and you create laws and regulation to keep things away from them that others can enjoy, that is called "prior-restraint" and is unlawful. It has its roots, like most of own laws, in English law.
Until it is possible to quantify terms like "creepy" with legally justifiable language, I prefer to let all non-criminals have access. Otherwise, you are just creating a situation where only the criminals have (illegal) guns, which is sub-optimal.
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It doesn't take much to get a CCW. Wouldn't you agree?
It sure as hell does here in Texas. We have the most in depth background check process of any State in the Union. All ten fingers printed, FBI database check, 8 hour class and rigorous target shooting requirements.
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Some good old fashioned CS gas and ducting would be pretty easy to retrofit, along with remote lock for all doors to isolate the intruders, and a PA system and masks for the family. "Red dog! Red dog! Ducks are on the pond! Proceed to defensive position Alpha. Countermeasures in 5,4,3,2...!"
How much remodelling would your bedroom need before you could get your backhoe behind some type of concealed panel?
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How much remodelling would your bedroom need before you could get your backhoe behind some type of concealed panel?
Are you proposing that I stop sleeping in the backhoe?
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So ridiculously lame.
Really narrows down the list of idiots behind this gimmick
How is the truth 'lame', Walter Suckcock?
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Are you proposing that I stop sleeping in the backhoe?
Perish the thought.
This way you can turn the surprise up to '11'.
And not just for unwelcome guests.
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Don't be stupid. If someone pulls a gun on you, you are dead meat. Unless you are a martial artist like me that dodges bullets for fun.
And you call me stupid? If every time when thugs pull their gun would be killings, there would be piles of dead bodies on the street. Do you think it would be good technique? Bang...give me all your money? Like I said, these anti gun people are eager to show their level of intelligence, which is common among the handicapped people, meaning drooling idiots ;D
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Perish the thought.
This way you can turn the surprise up to '11'.
And not just for unwelcome guests.
I'll put some assless chaps on it!