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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Method101 on February 04, 2015, 02:57:39 AM
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food is more anabolic anyway so perhaps only those who dont eat are natural.
whey protein is actual food you know that right? and it's a better source of protein than any meat source.
so they like to tell you, would rather a sirloin steak or some wild salmon over a whey shake any day.
Science trumps your gym gossip sorry pal. The Whey shake would be a better source of protein than steak or salmon, this is scientifically proven by government bodies. Beefs Biological Value is 79 and whey is 100+...
bleh bleh I have science backing me bleh bleh
Most protein powders have some form of artificial sweetener in them.
The artificial sweeteners in the protein powders are nothing compared to the growth inducing drugs and antibiotics given to the cows and chickens which turn into the steaks and chicken breasts you consume.
the only tests which showed toxicity from aspartame are where a totally gigantic amount was given to rats which would be impossible to get unless you drank several gallons of diet coke a day, anything is toxic in high enough dosages.
He went full retard when started mocking science and talked about aritifical sweetners. Looks like he must have been listening to fat Alex from Infowars. When someone totally discounts scientific evidence what is the point of even talking to them about anything.
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Real food is better than whey though. Especially beef.
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Real food is better than whey though. Especially beef.
Pfft...look at the BV!
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
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:D :D :D truth
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
;D ;D
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From undercover pro
If you could only use one supplement, just one, what would it be?
That's an easy one to answer. Whey protein. Protein is the building block of putting on solid muscle, and face it people, without protein it cannot be done. Why whey? Because it has been proven time and time again that it's the easiest protein to digest in the body and it takes a very short time to digest allowing for more protein to be taken in. To build muscle you have to keep your nitrogen balance in the positive, nitrogen being protein. There are many to choose from but I feel the best brands are Optimum Nutrition, Pinnacle and Muscletech. All use high quality Whey protein. You can view all whey protein products sorted by top sellers or price here.
Now, Shawn Ray has said on video that if he had 20 dollars in his pocket, he'd get a steak instead of protein powder.
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yes method 101 dominating big ro there with his 12 inch guns
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no thread backfire at all. Nobody has disproved the facts I presented, all they have done is post up a 5 year old picture of my arm lol.
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I get my chicken from a local source which is not intensively farmed. Buy my steak organic.
there is much evidence out there about aspartame/sucralose causing illness.
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From undercover pro
Now, Shawn Ray has said on video that if he had 20 dollars in his pocket, he'd get a steak instead of protein powder.
back in the day if it was a weider ad he would have said opposite ;)
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no thread backfire at all. Nobody has disproved the facts I presented, all they have done is post up a 5 year old picture of my arm lol.
What facts have you presented? None. You dirty prick.
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He went full retard when started mocking science and talked about aritifical sweetners. Looks like he must have been listening to fat Alex from Infowars. When someone totally discounts scientific evidence what is the point of even talking to them about anything.
He is right actually shut up "guy".
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
Thus endeth the thread. ;D
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I get my chicken from a local source which is not intensively farmed. Buy my steak organic.
there is much evidence out there about aspartame/sucralose causing illness.
Good then that all the drugs you are taking will not cause any health problems.
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I was going to add a disclaimer as I knew that's the first thing people would think. No point in neglecting good health practices because you take one risky thing, rather the contrary.
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Thread backfire
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no thread backfire at all. Nobody has disproved the facts I presented, all they have done is post up a 5 year old picture of my arm lol.
you don't look any better now or you would have posted a better pic
big ro is probably the best bb on here
you my friend not so much
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Nothing is better than organic red meat.. The worst protein? Hydrolized powdered proteins obviously.. as if THAT isn't enough, they are loaded with artificial sweeteners like Bigro said which is just bad ..
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Nothing is better than organic red meat.. The worst protein? Hydrolized powdered proteins obviously.. as if THAT isn't enough, they are loaded with artificial sweeteners like Bigro said which is just bad ..
I don't think you ever mentioning using protein powders correct?you use only food.
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Nothing is better than organic red meat.. The worst protein? Hydrolized powdered proteins obviously.. as if THAT isn't enough, they are loaded with artificial sweeteners like Bigro said which is just bad ..
is there really any solid proof yet that artificial sweeteners are bad?
BigRo is right though that foods > powders
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Lots of unwarranted vitriol being hurled at Ro these days. It's as if a beautiful man-mountain of muscles could cause toxic envy amongst the more twinkish among us.
No homo.
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I get my chicken from a local source which is not intensively farmed. Buy my steak organic.
there is much evidence out there about aspartame/sucralose causing illness.
Yes, cause the whole test, tren, hgh, insuline, dianabol, t3, ephedrine, diuretics, etc combo does nothing at all to a bodybuilder's body.
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is there really any solid proof yet that artificial sweeteners are bad?
BigRo is right though that foods > powders
When used in sane amounts, no. There is no reason whatsoever to worry about that. Coming from guys willing to use gear and shit, that just makes me laugh.
Pussy boys....
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
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I always counted whey as food. It's a processed milk product. I think it's kind
of ridiculous to talk about protein powder vs food. They are both food.
If many products don't contain what the label says, that's a problem, but
it doesn't change my contention that whey is food, a good protein source.
If whey didn't "work" it wouldn't be put in infant formulas or other products
for sick people, they would use powdered chicken or steak instead.
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I always counted whey as food. It's a processed milk product. I think it's kind
of ridiculous to talk about protein powder vs food. They are both food.
If many products don't contain what the label says, that's a problem, but
it doesn't change my contention that whey is food, a good protein source.
If whey didn't "work" it wouldn't be put in infant formulas or other products
for sick people, they would use powdered chicken or steak instead.
These babies are going to get jacked from their whey protein. :o :o
Comfort Proteins® are easy for your baby to digest and may also provide protective benefits. Certain formulas made from 100% whey protein partially hydrolyzed—like milk-based GOOD START® formulas—may reduce the risk of Atopic Dermatitis throughout the first year of life, compared to formulas made with intact cow's milk protein.**
Gerber formulas provide some of the benefits of breastmilk, because:
They help support both the digestive and immune system
They help make softer stools
They empty from the baby’s tummy at a similar rate as breastmilk.
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These babies are going to get jacked from their whey protein. :o :o
Comfort Proteins® are easy for your baby to digest and may also provide protective benefits. Certain formulas made from 100% whey protein partially hydrolyzed—like milk-based GOOD START® formulas—may reduce the risk of Atopic Dermatitis throughout the first year of life, compared to formulas made with intact cow's milk protein.**
Gerber formulas provide some of the benefits of breastmilk, because:
They help support both the digestive and immune system
They help make softer stools
They empty from the baby’s tummy at a similar rate as breastmilk.
What Getbigger wouldn't take active steps for softer stools?
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What Getbigger wouldn't take active steps for softer stools?
:D :D
I have heard some bodybuilders eat baby food.
I may have to pick up a few jars of baby food for the ultimate gains.
This baby is already jacked from her whey protein baby formula
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:D :D
I have heard some bodybuilders eat baby food.
I may have to pick up a few jars of baby food for the ultimate gains.
This baby is already jacked from her whey protein baby formula
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My buddy who competed in the world champs in Brazil recently had a whole suitcase with baby food bottles with him for his carb load. :D
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LOL A Fitness Frenzy-Classic! :D
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LOL A Fitness Frenzy-Classic! :D
ironmeister made that photo! ;)
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What facts have you presented? None. You dirty prick.
The only tests which showed toxicity from aspartame are where a totally gigantic amount was given to rats which would be impossible to get unless you drank several gallons of diet coke a day, anything is toxic in high enough dosages, Theres a fact you stinking c unt.
Whey Protein powder is REAL FOODand has a far higher biological value than beef without all the artery clogging saturated fat there is another fact how many fucking times do you magazine wielding pricks need to be told that before you understand. Plus Whey Protein is also a more affordable food source since it's a side product of cheese production whereas steak requires the raising and slaughtering of an animal over years.
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i once went to a steakhouse and me and my girl had ourselves a whey proteinstake.
wasnt quite the same as a steak but at least the biological value was high.
good times!!
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i once went to a steakhouse and me and my girl had ourselves a whey proteinstake.
wasnt quite the same as a steak but at least the biological value was high.
good times!!
your body was able to utilize for growth more of the protein in the whey shake than it would from the steak yes.
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Organic=cost more. Never has been shown to be any better. There is nothing wrong at all with whey as a protein source. While many prefer to eat regular chicken, beef or fish, it all works the same if you are talking about protein. In fact whey's amino acid profile is technically superior to just about any other. People seem to think that because you drink something you body says "hey, this is a protein shake and not some chicken" let's not digest it or use it the same way we do the other protein products. Same type of mentality that makes people think free weights are 100x more superior to machines. Like your body is saying, hey this muscle breakdown is coming from the hammer strength machine, let's not rebuild the muscle fiber the same way. Your body doesn't care either way :).
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Organic=cost more. Never has been shown to be any better. There is nothing wrong at all with whey as a protein source. While many prefer to eat regular chicken, beef or fish, it all works the same if you are talking about protein. In fact whey's amino acid profile is technically superior to just about any other. People seem to think that because you drink something you body says "hey, this is a protein shake and not some chicken" let's not digest it or use it the same way we do the other protein products. Same type of mentality that makes people think free weights are 100x more superior to machines. Like your body is saying, hey this muscle breakdown is coming from the hammer strength machine, let's not rebuild the muscle fiber the same way. Your body doesn't care either way :).
YES, SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT LOL.
Broscience is strong on getbig at the moment.
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your body was able to utilize for growth more of the protein in the whey shake than it would from the steak yes.
you are the reason supplement companies exist
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Method, what you're saying is true, about real whey protein having a higher biological value than meats and being just another form of food containing amino acids. The problem lies in the fact that you cannot know for certain that a supplement advertised as "good whey protein" really contains what is on the label. Supplements are not regulated, so in effect you could be getting a powder that is just fillers and cheap chinese whey, instead of the good whey you're talking about.
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In other words, just get your protein from foods you know for certain they contain all those amino acids you're looking for.
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That isn't a valid comparison. With the steak, you are also getting fat, hence the big calorie difference. Plus vitamins, minerals, etc. What we are talking about here is the protein specifically. Obviously no one is suggesting you eat a pure whey diet. For a better comparison, a two scoop whey isolate shake, a cup of almonds or cashews would be comparable vs a steak by itself.
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what if...
i would eat a steak and drink a whey protein shake with it ??? :o :o :o :o :o
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I normally take whey by itself with water, but my girlfriend has got me into drinking green smoothies the last month, and I'm now blending whey into a post workout green smoothie, and it seems to be working out quite well. Smoothie: half cucumber, 2 celery stalks, 3 Kale leaves, 1 green apple, slice of lemon, slice of ginger, 1.25 cups water, 1.5 scoops vanilla ON protein. Blend in Blendec until smooth.
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The only tests which showed toxicity from aspartame are where a totally gigantic amount was given to rats which would be impossible to get unless you drank several gallons of diet coke a day, anything is toxic in high enough dosages, Theres a fact you stinking c unt.
Whey Protein powder is REAL FOODand has a far higher biological value than beef without all the artery clogging saturated fat there is another fact how many fucking times do you magazine wielding pricks need to be told that before you understand. Plus Whey Protein is also a more affordable food source since it's a side product of cheese production whereas steak requires the raising and slaughtering of an animal over years.
I don't care about the aspartame issue, what facts I was asking for or studies rather regarding whey proteins bio availability to the body. It's funny that you mention magazines because they are the ones advocating whey in the first place, they don't advertise ground beef. Also, speaking on personal experience, as a natural my muscles have never been more full after abandoning the whey for better quality food and I bought into the supplement bullshit hard for years.
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Chocolate ON tastes way better than Vanilla and Strawberry is the worst
Not mixed with vegetables.
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What does it matter fat doesn't help you burn fat or build muscle so its an irrelevant point.
also 100g lean steak will contain between 5-10g fat depending on how lean it is.
doesn't matter u can replace the steak in the example with equivalent in fish or chicken.
either way 300g protein from real meat will NEVER in a million years equal 300g protein from Whey isolate.
You can experiment on yourself for 6-8 weeks and find out for yourself.
On real meat u will be full and thick, on whey isolate u will be flat as fuck and lose size.
What the fuck do you know about being full or flat? Aren't you the cokehead who only sometimes goes to the gym? Full or flat you're still skinny-fat. You are talking about "filling out" LOL? Get the fuck out of here. ;D
Fact of the matter is that whey has some advantages over meats and meats have some advantages over whey. Many many top bodybuilders use powder proteins. There are also some who rarely do shakes. But powder proteins make it much more convenient to meet your daily protein goals. Say you are sick to your stomach from all the tren and anadrol and can't eat whole food, or after training when you feel sick and can't stomach solids. Good quality powders can help a lot. OTOH there's no magic to whey either, it's just protein.
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He went full retard when started mocking science and talked about aritifical sweetners. Looks like he must have been listening to fat Alex from Infowars. When someone totally discounts scientific evidence what is the point of even talking to them about anything.
You are also not correct regarding antibiotics in meat and hormones for that matter.
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well you can do what you want but im gonna leave no stones unturned here and go for both the meat and whey, and i might even throw in some vegetables just in case
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I get my chicken from a local source which is not intensively farmed. Buy my steak organic.
there is much evidence out there about aspartame/sucralose causing illness.
No there isn`t. All the evidence of one of the most heavily tested and studied substances, aspartame, says you are dead wrong.
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I normally take whey by itself with water, but my girlfriend has got me into drinking green smoothies the last month, and I'm now blending whey into a post workout green smoothie, and it seems to be working out quite well. Smoothie: half cucumber, 2 celery stalks, 3 Kale leaves, 1 green apple, slice of lemon, slice of ginger, 1.25 cups water, 1.5 scoops vanilla ON protein. Blend in Blendec until smooth.
The gayest thing on getbig since the last response to the BigRo thread.
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In other words, just get your protein from foods you know for certain they contain all those amino acids you're looking for.
The only way to know that, would be to analyze it at a lab. All meats are not equal, even if the same cut. Even the same cut from the same cow.
I laugh at people thinking they know the amino profile in meat. They don`t. They never consider it until a thread like this comes along.
Method is not wrong about the powder.
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Protein powder is a great way to meet your protein needs so that you can fill the rest of your calories with Dessert and that way you don`t have to waste your calories elsewhere.
Disclaimer, I am about to eat a Bacon Sandwich with bacon I smoked.
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
;D Bingo. These children have no concept of real bodybuilding. None.
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Protein powder is a great way to meet your protein needs so that you can fill the rest of your calories with Dessert and that way you don`t have to waste your calories elsewhere.
Disclaimer, I am about to eat a Bacon Sandwich with bacon I smoked.
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You can't prove what he said is incorrect with scientific evidence so you just post an eye roll smiley. Take your broscience and fuck off.
Broscience is the predominant brand of reasoning in bodybuilding circles where the anecdotal reports of jacked dudes are considered more credible than scientific research.
THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH GETTING ALL OF YOUR PROTEIN FROM WHEY, INFACT YOU WOULD NEED LESS GRAMS OF PROTEIN BECAUSE OF THE HIGH BV. TO GET THE SAME EFFECT FROM BEEF YOU WOULD NEED TO EAT ALOT MORE TOTAL GRAMS OF PROTEIN DUE TO THE LOWER BV, BUT YES BOTH CAN FILL YOUR DAILY REQUIREMENT FOR OPTIMAL GROWTH. AS COULD A LARGE AMOUNT OF RICE AND PEA PROTEIN ISOLATE LOL.
P.S PEOPLE WHO USE SHAKES GET THEIR EFAS, MICROS AND CARBS FROM OTHER SOURCES DICKHEAD. AND WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT IS IMMORAL AND ENVIRONMENTALLY UNSUSTAINABLE TO BE EATING STEAKS AND CHICKENS EVERY SINGLE DAY!? +IT COSTS A FORTUNE.
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post a pic of your 12 inch pipes again buddy
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I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.
Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise! ;)
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.
Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.
I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.
How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow???? Do u test your whey protein isolates????
Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.
I look like shit myself, certainly no top bodybuilder but I have been around the bb scene for a long time and have trained consistently for about 25 years. A few months ago you looked like someone who had no base, very little time put in the gym. I can tell things like this. If you've been consistent since it's still not a long time. There is zero chance of you being 200-220 @ 7% by summer. Zero.
Here is my training partner (best amateur bb in Sweden last year) who I've been friends with for 20 years, built with fake Chinese proteins and fake gear. ::) And you'll be at his level by summer (according to your fantasy stats)? ::) You are delusional.
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My friend in the pic actually asked me just a couple of weeks ago about proteins. He asked
me whether whole proteins were better than powders. He said he suspected whole foods were better. I told him my opinion, which was that both have their advantages. Whatever the case, last
prep he used whey isolates, micellar casein and whey/casein hydrolysates for a large portion of his
protein needs and a plenty of aminos too. So I'm very honest here, some competitors have their doubts as to the value of powders, they aren't always so sure. But like I said, I think they both have their advantages. Some of the gurus believe in powders, a few not so much, but most incorporate them in some capacity.
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I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.
Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise! ;)
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.
Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.
I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.
How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow???? Do u test your whey protein isolates????
Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.
Do you send your meat away for lab analysis to determine exact protein bio-availability and amino content? :D
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I am nearly 220 now you dumass, shows how little you know comparing what I am like now juiced to the gills compared to my old natty pics before! Oh and don't bother asking for pics cos I am not posting them till my mission is complete by summer which is 200-220 @ 7% when some people will be head fucked.
Bigmc has seen my pics and can confirm I am beasting so fuck off with that noise! ;)
I sent him video me T-bar rowing 6 plates like it was piss.
Getting back to the point, no one is saying don't drink protein drinks, just saying it will never compare to eating real meat.
I know cos I tried eating 300g all from protein shakes b4, results were I was flat as fuck and lost muscle.
On steak and real meat, I was full as fuck and held muscle.
How can u fucking even be so dum to compare processed shit they make in factory in China and Taiwan, which probably gets degraded like fuck by time it reached u without u even knowing what the fuck is in it compared to eating meat that comes from a real fucking cow???? Do u test your whey protein isolates????
Your gear is probably shit too, 100% convinced everything in black market including Alpha Pharm is 50% under-dosed compared to real pharma shit.
I know cos I tried it and can feel the fucking difference, I know my body.
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post a pic of your 12 inch pipes again buddy
hahaha WTF this has become the biggest BB hater BB Forum on the internet
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The companies are obligated to do so in UK so if it says it has 30g protein then it HAS to have that because its regulated.
No such regulations in the supplement industry and there lies your problem.
Also its a question of the distribution network/systems, there is reason why meat goes off at certain time and you have useby dates etc.
You honestly think protein fart drinks can sit there for like a year and have same effect as meat that goes off in like 10 days before it has to be frozen???
Feel free to test the theory out yourself like I did. For 8 weeks take all your protein from shakes, then do same for 8 weeks on meat, same amount and other factors same.
You will see there is big difference in before and after pictures.
I mean if what you are saying is true then there is no point in ever eating and spending money on meat again.
I know they can. Do you not know what whey is? Shelf stability does not mean less inferior protein. Astronauts who spend months and years in space eat nothing but shelf stable foods with adequate protein content.
Your argument is nonsense in this regard.
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The companies are obligated to do so in UK so if it says it has 30g protein then it HAS to have that because its regulated.
No such regulations in the supplement industry and there lies your problem.
Also its a question of the distribution network/systems, there is reason why meat goes off at certain time and you have useby dates etc.
You honestly think protein fart drinks can sit there for like a year and have same effect as meat that goes off in like 10 days before it has to be frozen???
Feel free to test the theory out yourself like I did. For 8 weeks take all your protein from shakes, then do same for 8 weeks on meat, same amount and other factors same.
You will see there is big difference in before and after pictures.
I mean if what you are saying is true then there is no point in ever eating and spending money on meat again.
Uh, variance is allowed and the protein number is generalized when it comes to meat, either UK or from the USA. Anybody in either country can go to the store, buy a whole chicken, have the label read the same content, yet come away with two totally different chickens nutrient wise. The label for chicken is correct (with the allowed plus or minus varianace) however it is up to the CONSUMER to choose a chicken which may contain way more fat and less protein or less fat and more protein yet the label will read the same.
Don`t tell my you just blindly choose meat and produce. They are not all the same despite labels reading the same. Surely you know this.
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Example.
Last Week I made Adobong Manok Sa Gata or what is known as Filipino Chicken in Coconut Milk. When I went to select chicken thighs, I knew I wanted some with medium amount of fat content as I was going to use the fat for a braising liquid, but I did not want too much fat as the Coconut Milk has more than enough and wanted the Coconut flavor to come through more pronounced.
I spent a long time going through Chicken Thighs to find some that were not as fatty as usual with about 1/16 or so uniform thickness of fat cap with no gobs. Sure, the label reads the same as the ones I rifled through, but the fat content was incredibly different as was the protein content between all of them and the ones I selected.
Going by the label, you would think they would be the same, but they sure aren`t. Anybody with eyes can see that. Unless you are weighing it all and sending it to a lab to get analyzed, you have no idea of the actual amino profile. You only have an estimate. Not that this is a bad thing, but thats what you have, an estimate with no clue as to the specific amino profile.
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“There is no spectacle on earth more appealing than that of a beautiful woman in the act of cooking dinner for someone she loves.”
― Thomas Wolfe
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Yes 200+ 7% is optimistic but definitely achievable....and my coach who fucking placed top 6 in Arnold thinks so too, so id rather listen to him thank you very much.
I am not fucking around with wishy washy gay ass stacks here I am on nearly G and half + Pharma GH.
If I have to push slin soon I will (but rather not right now)
Either way 200 + 7% is happening. If I only come in 190lb so be it, but its STILL GONNA HAPPEN.
How tall are you? I don't know if you realise how big 200-220lbs close to contest shape is, that's why I posted that pic. He was about 210lbs there at like 174cm tall, I forget exactly how tall. As for the bodyfat, hard to say, depends on how you measure it, but let's say 5%. You would have to approach it like a life or death situation, even then it's unlikely to happen. Not to mention your boozing and coke habit. You're probably high right now, that's why you're so optimistic. :D
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“There is no spectacle on earth more appealing than that of a beautiful woman in the act of cooking dinner for someone she loves.”
― Thomas Wolfe
Thomas Wolfe once spent the night at our house.
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Not a fan of bigRo but he's absolutely right on this one. Seems like method101 read some articles & appointed himself an expert. One thing about science when it comes to nutrition & training is that it changes frequently.
Definitely a thread backfire.
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TA, I would think the amino profile of an animal species is in their DNA, the amino ratio is probably pretty consistent.
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TA, I would think the amino profile of an animal species is in their DNA, the amino ratio is probably pretty consistent.
Amino to Fat ratio I should say as well as different cuts of meat, even on the same animal.
And aminos in regards to amounts. I doubt Joon is analyzing the DNA of each cow he consumes or Chicken he Consumes. Many different breeds will have different genetic profiles.
For instance today's pork is 50-70 percent leaner than the pork sold in 1950.
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i would never eat pork from the 1950's :-X
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TA, I would think the amino profile of an animal species is in their DNA, the amino ratio is probably pretty consistent.
Aminos will vary between breed and even cut of meat.
Here is a good example:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ebynmPo2yakJ:www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx%3FpaperID%3D34588+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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Vol.4, No.5B, 61-64 (2013)
Agricultural Sciences
doi:10.4236/as.2013.45B012
Amino acid composition of droughtmaster beef at
various beef cuts
ABSTRACT
A total of 14 parts of beef cuts were used to de-
termine the amino acid composition in drought-
master beef. Drought-master beef is a cross
breed tropical cattle with 50% Shorthorn and
50% Brahman cattle. The most abundant type of
amino acid in drought-master beef was glutamic
acid, followed by aspartic acid, lysine, leucine
and arginine. The flank cut of beef was found to
contain higher amount of total amino acids fol-
lowed by top side and short rib cut of beef. The
amino acid composition of drought-master beef
indicates that beef is a good source of dietary
protein for human.
(http://file.scirp.org/Html/paperimages%5C34588_1.jpg)
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Yes the total amount of protein/aminos will of course vary. I meant the amino profile, meaning the ratio of the different aminos.
That I would suspect stays consistent, the DNA of the specific animal species dictates what "type" of muscle tissue (protein) is built.
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Not a fan of bigRo but he's absolutely right on this one.
Well, how would you prove he is right if you can't use the available science? You can only go by "feel" but there's
so many other factors that go into building a physique, other than the protein, so how do you know what is doing what. You could find several other bodybuilders who "feel" whey is better than say tuna. :D
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Yes the total amount of protein/aminos will of course vary. I meant the amino profile, meaning the ratio of the different aminos.
That I would suspect stays consistent, the DNA of the specific animal species dictates what "type" of muscle tissue (protein) is built.
Well I can tell you that the Kjeldahl method is by far the most common way in which Protein content for beef is determined and that it is a poor correlation for predicting protein content as far as an Amino profile is concerned. The Kjeldahl method is whats used for labeling.
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Another good example:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23601414
Food Chem. 2013 Oct 1;140(3):608-12. doi: 10.1016/j.foodchem.2012.08.046. Epub 2012 Sep 13.
Total nitrogen vs. amino-acid profile as indicator of protein content of beef.
Hall NG1, Schönfeldt HC.
Author information
Abstract
In most cited food composition studies and tables, the proximate system measures protein as total nitrogen (N) (determined by Kjeldahl or Dumas method) multiplied by a specific factor. A factor of 6.25 is used for determining total protein from total N (Jones, Munsey, & Walker, 1942). Although more expensive, it is considered more accurate to base protein content of foods on amino acid data (Greenfield & Southgate, 2003). A study on the nutrient composition of beef analysed the full amino-acid profile of fifteen retail cuts from three age groups and six fat codes, as well as determined total nitrogen content to determine proximate protein composition. For all cuts, the correlation coefficient of total amino acids to protein (N×6.25) was 0.635. This indicates a poor correlation for predicting actual protein content (as determined by total amino acid count), based on the nitrogen factor of 6.25. On average, the sum of amino acids per cut amounted to 91% of total determined protein (N×6.25) for the same cut.
Copyright © 2012 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.
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Well I can tell you that the Kjeldahl method is by far the most common way in which Protein content for beef is determined and that it is a poor correlation for predicting actual protein content as far as an Amino profile is concerned. The Kjeldahl method is whats used for labeling.
Well, when the above abstract says glutamic acid is the most abundant amino it might not be true? What I'm reading here
is that the total amount of protein varies by different cuts, which makes sense. But my hunch is that the ratios are pretty well established, otherwise all the data on protein quality/effectiveness (BV etc) would be useless. We know for example that beef collagen protein is completely devoid of tryptophane, an essential amino.
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@mandar...
you can't compare whey to beef as beef has lots of nice fat in it. Of course if you take in the same amount of protein from beef and whey, the beef will make you bigger as you have more cals! Beef has a super long half life as well.
You make some good points, but feel you're not making a fair comparison here.
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Not sure why you think its so impossible that I can't and that I have "Zero" chance etc. [/color]
Let's put it another way - the probability is almost nil because you always go balls out, burn out, and quit everything.
If you trained natty and stuck to the stuff we talked about 10 mths (year) ago, you'd ripped, strong and running half marathons by now.
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I always counted whey as food. It's a processed milk product. I think it's kind
of ridiculous to talk about protein powder vs food. They are both food.
If many products don't contain what the label says, that's a problem, but
it doesn't change my contention that whey is food, a good protein source.
If whey didn't "work" it wouldn't be put in infant formulas or other products
for sick people, they would use powdered chicken or steak instead.
This.
People talk about protein powders like they are cleaning products...you eat them. Food
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I hear you but if you think about it 100g rump steak has around 22g protein, maybe 5g fat, Zero carbs and is about 125 calories.
My ON whey isolate has like around 24g protein, 1g fat 4g Carbs and is around 100 calories.
So I doubt its the extra 25 calories in the steak making the difference here.
I have no fucking clue why its different but just knows there is huge difference in its effect on my body.
surely you eat more than 100gr of steak, lol! I'd say double that. so a good 10 grams of fat. At the end of the day, if one was to follow your advice, that adds up to an extra 48 grams of very body building friendly fats.
And most would take in higher fat steaks and still get much more fat. So the numbers would be even higher therefore based on that, making you right.
The steak is better .Better because it has more power (powered by fat)
There is a time for fast protein, a time for slow, or slower protein (beef, whole eggs) not sure why this has to be such an "either/or" discussion.
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Big Row, how much do you upright row these days?
whatever the girl weighs I am lifting up to eat of the snatch.
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No dude natty at 8% BF I would be looking at around 158-160lb, skinny as fuck, weak as fuck, no sex drive or energy with 14 inch guns at best, looking lost in clothes and hardly noticeable.
I would simply look good in photos but thats it.
I have done it before so I know to get low body fat like that natty you feel like dying literally and its no life man.
That's just the truth of it
you keep failing because you set yourself unrealistic targets
ive met you
on the gear you are on and your frame
you should be shooting for about 170lbs at 7 percent
its bigger than you think
200 at 7 for you is the same size as groink
thats never going to happen
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Big Row, how much do you upright row these days?
whatever the girl weighs I am lifting up to eat of the snatch.
NegRo ready to join team 5 plates a side.
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Whey protein makes you fart a lot.
I applaud anyone that eats meat instead of whey.
Especially those I share an elevator with.
Whey is a hyped by product of making cheese. There's a whole industry selling it to young men with body dismorphia. It's great - they'd have thrown most of that shit out but now they can sell it to bodybuilders.
I tend to think most of what's written about it is bullshit. Apart from the fact it generates gas.
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Well, how would you prove he is right if you can't use the available science? You can only go by "feel" but there's
so many other factors that go into building a physique, other than the protein, so how do you know what is doing what. You could find several other bodybuilders who "feel" whey is better than say tuna. :D
simple, can't think of any successful athlete or bodybuilder who live on whey as opposed to steak, chicken, fish eggs etc. I use whey in my diet so I'm not saying it's useless either but not better. Sometimes you do lab experiment & it's great in the lab but doesn't translate equally effective in real life.
I agree you can find several other bbers who'll say whey is better but I think they'll primarily be under contract.
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I don't think you ever mentioning using protein powders correct?you use only food.
yes, in the past I used powders and experimented with everything
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is there really any solid proof yet that artificial sweeteners are bad?
BigRo is right though that foods > powders
no studies willknock down one of the main ingredients used by the controllers of this planet to numb you into submission so IF one decides to run one do not expect ANY scientific community validation
Besides the fact that nobody really knows exactly what is in powders as they are produced to generate income and many studies are funded by the supplement companies themselves
Just try two separate diets as an experiment: one with organic lean red meats and not only and another with powders all else being equal..see the differences and post pictures
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simple, can't think of any successful athlete or bodybuilder who live on whey as opposed to steak, chicken, fish eggs etc. I use whey in my diet so I'm not saying it's useless either but not better. Sometimes you do lab experiment & it's great in the lab but doesn't translate equally effective in real life.
I agree you can find several other bbers who'll say whey is better but I think they'll primarily be under contract.
I don't know anyone who lives on powders only either, who does, so you can't make a comparison between solids and shakes.like that. But if you really think whey is obviously inferior why would you ever drink them, other than laziness? :D
I have done tuna shakes in a blender, done cottage cheese shakes too. You think this would be better than whey? :D
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you keep failing because you set yourself unrealistic targets
ive met you
on the gear you are on and your frame
you should be shooting for about 170lbs at 7 percent
its bigger than you think
200 at 7 for you is the same size as groink
thats never going to happen
IIRC, Joon is talking 200-220 @ 7%.
Now we are in fantasy orbit.
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no studies willknock down one of the main ingredients used by the controllers of this planet to numb you into submission so IF one decides to run one do not expect ANY scientific community validation
Besides the fact that nobody really knows exactly what is in powders as they are produced to generate income and many studies are funded by the supplement companies themselves
Just try two separate diets as an experiment: one with organic lean red meats and not only and another with powders all else being equal..see the differences and post pictures
(http://cdn.thewire.com/media/old_wire/img/upload/2013/04/02/LizardMan/lead_large.jpg)
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IIRC, Joon is talking 200-220 @ 7%.
Now we are in fantasy orbit.
LOL he has no clue. Seems like he was backtracking a bit though, 190 @ up to 10% was acceptable too it seems. :D
He has the funds for Genotropin and real human grade gear so he must deliver this at least... but I suspect something will come in the way. :D
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(http://i.imgur.com/jlRSysJ.jpg)
In the Irish neighborhood where I grew up, doing Yoga poses was a sure ticket to an Atomic Wedgie, followed by a Purple Nurple and ending with a massive Pile-On. :'(
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LOL he has no clue. Seems like he was backtracking a bit though, 190 @ up to 10% was acceptable too it seems. :D
He has the funds for Genotropin and real human grade gear so he must deliver this at least... but I suspect something will come in the way. :D
The biggest thing standing in his way is his insistence on coming to Getbig. If he's really on that much gear, I am pretty sure that his fuse is always lit and he's about 45 seconds away from throwing his laptop out the window.
And at this point, there are 30 or so people that know EXACTLY how to get him wound up to the point of a meltdown.
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No dude natty at 8% BF I would be looking at around 158-160lb, skinny as fuck, weak as fuck, no sex drive or energy with 14 inch guns at best, looking lost in clothes and hardly noticeable.
I would simply look good in photos but thats it.
I have done it before so I know to get low body fat like that natty you feel like dying literally and its no life man.
That's just the truth of it
If you can't be strong at 160 and lean at your height, you're in the wrong game. Start playing Grand Theft Auto vigorously, and forget about this shit.
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In the Irish neighborhood where I grew up, doing Yoga poses was a sure ticket to an Atomic Wedgie, followed by a Purple Nurple and ending with a massive Pile-On. :'(
Maybe that was the reason that BigRo decided to become a huge bodybuilder.
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The only way to know that, would be to analyze it at a lab. All meats are not equal, even if the same cut. Even the same cut from the same cow.
I laugh at people thinking they know the amino profile in meat. They don`t. They never consider it until a thread like this comes along.
Method is not wrong about the powder.
I agree that Method is not wrong about the powder and you're probably right about not knowing the exact amino acid profile in a piece of meat, but you still know you're getting quality aminos from that piece of meat. My point was that no one can possibly know for certain that the aminos in a protein powder are of good quality and from good quality whey. Since supplements aren't regulated, they could be selling cheap low quality whey or even worse nothing but fillers and sweeteners.
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both guys are super tiny man, meh...
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both guys are super tiny man, meh...
Cowboy Cerrone is 180 cm.
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Cowboy Cerrone is 180 cm.
Even worse.
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driven sports - supplements = the best
too bad they are illeagal here, such bullshit
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driven sports - supplements = the best
too bad they are illeagal here, such bullshit
Driven Sports = you never know what you're going to get.
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Driven Sports = you never know what you're going to get.
like pentylamine and pentanamine ::), yeah they are in the ingredients, for those who can read.
driven sports = instead of taking 14 spoonfuls of powder, you just take 2 spoons worth of product and get tweaked to the max for hours = every other supplements promise (lie)
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like pentylamine and pentanamine ::), yeah they are in the ingredients, for those who can read.
driven sports = instead of taking 14 spoonfuls of powder, you just take 2 spoons worth of product and get tweaked to the max for hours = every other supplements promise (lie)
Fuck off, DS has spiked their products many times without listing the active ingredient.
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Fuck off, DS has spiked their products many times without listing the active ingredient.
Bodybuilding has a long and storied history, from Hoffman to Weider to whomever is selling this crap, today, of guys sneaking into the factory and spiking the fart powder with sugar. : 8)
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Fuck off, DS has spiked their products many times without listing the active ingredient.
LiiiiiiiiiESssssssssssss sssssss >:(
driven sports = like the hottest woman in women of crossfitness thread, everyone wants it
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i bought supplements today for $100
best money spent in a long time!! i might not get huge but it feels good to support the industry and the sport i hold so dear.
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Only on Getbig do you have a 165 pound sniffer of male asses telling a world-class 240 pounds bodybuilder he's doing it wrong
Did you expect anything more? Getbiggers also call Warren Buffett a clueless, lucky "beta male". ::)
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