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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2015, 06:13:49 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
What percentage of people have beyond average to poor genetics?  ???

Surely you don`t or anyone on this forum for that matter.  (naturally speaking)
For one thing it says I'm 20 pounds over the natural limit. I'd say I have better genetics then those poor devils on the chart there though.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2015, 06:14:37 PM »
Quote from: TheShape. on February 03, 2015, 06:13:49 PM
I'm 20 pounds over the natural limit.

Pics or bullshit
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2015, 06:16:13 PM »
Quote from: Twaddle on February 03, 2015, 02:33:10 PM
Drug-Free, Natural, Genetic Limit.  End of thread.   :D



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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2015, 06:17:23 PM »
Quote from: Marty Champions on February 03, 2015, 06:02:45 PM
fuck uuuuu man adam is sa legend

Adam is a legendary idiot.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2015, 06:19:28 PM »
Drop about 30lbs from those numbers and you're close. 

Name one truly natural guy who weighs over 140lbs at 6' when he's ripped
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2015, 06:19:37 PM »
Quote from: Ron Harrigan on February 03, 2015, 06:17:23 PM
Adam is a legendary idiot.
Thats what I look like at 235 lbs.

Not bad (certainly not good at all, but not bad.  Most would not carry it as well given my height and weight) I would say for lifetime natural at my height.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2015, 06:21:34 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 06:19:37 PM

Not bad (certainly not good at all, but not bad.  Most would not carry it as well given my height and weight) I would say for lifetime natural at my height.

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2015, 06:22:27 PM »
I would consider Uriah Faber as having well above average genetics; yet, at 5'6", he fights at 135.

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2015, 06:31:14 PM »
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2015, 06:37:11 PM »
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2015, 06:37:32 PM »
At 5' 11" I was 208 lbs  with 7 or 8 % BF. a week before contest so I might have dropped that BF % as I was depleted on contest day ....

I was 100% natty as no creatine,glutamine, amino acids, etc  just whey Protein . and food


12 years of heavy training before first contest.

No posting pictures, cause If I look like I'm claiming I was, people would say I was on the juice anyway.




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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2015, 06:39:34 PM »
Quote from: Pet shop boys on February 03, 2015, 06:37:32 PM
At 5' 11" I was 208 lbs  with 7 or 8 % BF.


No posting pictures,




What a shocker .
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2015, 07:11:48 PM »
Quote from: che on February 03, 2015, 06:37:11 PM
That's what I thought 
5' 11" 185 isn't crazy.  ::)
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2015, 07:32:32 PM »
Quote from: TheShape. on February 03, 2015, 07:11:48 PM
5' 11" 185 isn't crazy.  ::)

I believe you bro , 5'11'' ,185 lbs , 5% BF lifetime natural ,  pretty impressive  if you ask me , I just want to see some pics.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2015, 07:52:31 PM »
Quote from: che on February 03, 2015, 07:32:32 PM
I believe you bro , 5'11'' ,185 lbs , 5% BF lifetime natural ,  pretty impressive  if you ask me , I just want to see some pics.
Not gonna happen. lololol

Nobody on this forum is or has ever been that.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2015, 07:56:18 PM »
"Guys here just can't accept how light they would be truly lean and natty."
- this
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2015, 08:10:44 PM »
Quote from: The True Adonis on February 03, 2015, 07:52:31 PM
Not gonna happen. lololol

Nobody on this forum is or has ever been that.
I don't know man  ,maybe   ''The Shape'' is Robert Gibbs , a lifetime natural that competes in Musclemania @ 5'11''  185lbs  5% BF 




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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2015, 12:09:36 AM »
Generalized charts like this are IMO pointless, as mentioned there are drug free genetic anomalies which exceed this. And just because someone fits within that HEIGHT/WEIGHT chart does not mean they are "Natural" either – so what’s is the point? Besides setting limitations (like Rodger Bannister and the 4 minute mile) and making some drug free bodybuilders feel better about their genetics...

At the Classic bodybuilding world champs they use a similar height weight ratio..
Most of these guys are all below 5% bf and dehydrate in to make weight, Most  of them would fit in Martins chart of what is possible drug free. The chart does NOT mean they are "natural" by any means! (See attached link of the weigh-in)

http://www.eastlabs.sk/en/photo-gallery/2014-world-classic-bodybuilding-championships-alicante/2014-world-classic-alicante-weight-in?vp-page=2

Just as the BMI is a crap indicator of whether someone is fat or not -most bb'ers would be deemed obese using the BMI index chart...  
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2015, 12:21:16 AM »
I'm 6ft.2 and I would need to be 165 to be 5% bodyfat.. I can tell this from my last diet, So I guess I have 15lbs of muscle left to gain. To be honest I don't train legs with much enthusiasm because of all the running I do so I guess that is where I still have most room for development...

But this is the only example you need of the true natural limit without those complicated formulas. If anyone claims they are a genetic freak and that is how they are bigger than Sandow then they are fucking LIARS keeping their "genetics" in their fridges, Sandow was a genetic freak of his time and eat a diet very high in good meat and trained like a beast. You also have people who say that Sandow is half the size of them due to his "old training and dieting methods". LOL Eating shit loads of meat and lifting heavy weight long enough will bring you to your natural limit even if it's not 100% efficient, just because Sandow didn't have whey proteins, creatine and hammer strength machines people think he was not at his limit LOL.

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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2015, 12:49:44 AM »
i wonder what sandow would have looked like if bench press was around back then...
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2015, 01:21:17 AM »
Quote from: Disgusted on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
Totally 100% natural is food only, no supps!

food is more anabolic anyway so perhaps only those who dont eat are natural.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2015, 01:23:47 AM »
Quote from: BigRo on February 04, 2015, 01:21:17 AM
food is more anabolic anyway so perhaps only those who dont eat are natural.
whey protein is actual food you know that right? and it's a better source of protein than any meat source.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2015, 01:25:09 AM »
Quote from: Howard on February 03, 2015, 09:54:51 AM
true, but I was age 16-17 and didn't lift or know what a steroid was then, so wtf.
I'm no freak but competed in drug tested shows at 5% fat and around 193 lbs at 5' 9 1/2"
That goofy chart says I max at 155-160 lbs LOL.
I couldn't get that light unless I starved myself for weeks and chopped my leg off LOL

Does anyone here really think  a genetic freak like 5"11" Ronnie Coleman needed drugs to be
heavier then 165-170 lbs with 5% body fat.

This kind of chart reminds me of those goofy positive self esteem ht/wt /frame charts for chunky girls.

Sure u were ::) 5% at 193 natural and at 5'9 yeah better genetics than levrone haha
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2015, 01:27:02 AM »
Quote from: Method101 on February 04, 2015, 01:23:47 AM
whey protein is actual food you know that right? and it's a better source of protein than any meat source.

so they like to tell you, would rather a sirloin steak or some wild salmon over a whey shake any day.
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Re: Drug-Free Natural Genetic Limits (what really is possible)
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2015, 01:32:07 AM »
Quote from: BigRo on February 04, 2015, 01:27:02 AM
so they like to tell you, would rather a sirloin steak or some wild salmon over a whey shake any day.
Science trumps your gym gossip sorry pal. The Whey shake would be a better source of protein than steak or salmon, this is scientifically proven by government bodies. Beefs Biological Value is 79 and whey is 100+...
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