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http://news.yahoo.com/ou-fraternity-close-racist-video-posted-online-040106571.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ou-fraternity-close-racist-video-posted-online-040106571.html)
NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The president of the University of Oklahoma severed the school's ties with a national fraternity on Monday and ordered that its on-campus house be shuttered after several members took part in a racist chant caught on video.
President David Boren said he was sickened and couldn't eat or sleep after learning about the video Sunday afternoon. The video, which was posted online, shows several people on a bus participating in a chant that included a racial slur, referenced lynching and indicated black students would never be admitted to OU's chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon.
The Oklahoma football team decided to protest rather than practice on Monday. At the team's indoor practice facility, coach Bob Stoops led the way as players, joined by athletic director Joe Castiglione, walked arm-in-arm, wearing black. Meanwhile, a top high school recruit de-committed from the university after seeing the video.
Boren attended a pre-dawn rally organized by students and lambasted those fraternity members as "disgraceful" and called their behavior "reprehensible." He said the university was looking into a range of punishment, including expulsion.
"This is not who we are," Boren said at a midday news conference. "I'd be glad if they left. I might even pay the bus fare for them."
National leaders of Sigma Alpha Epsilon said late Sunday that its investigation confirmed members took part in the chant and announced it would close the local chapter. The national group said it was "embarrassed" by the "unacceptable and racist" behavior.
Boren said members have until midnight Tuesday to remove their belongings from the fraternity house. He said the fraternity was "not totally forthcoming," and he was still trying to find out who was on the bus so the school could consider disciplinary actions.
He said the university's legal staff was exploring whether the students who initiated and encouraged the chant may have violated Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which prohibits racial discrimination.
"We are also going to look at any individual perpetrators, particularly those that we think took a lead in this kind of activity," Boren said.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said the efforts by the university and the national fraternity to repudiate the racist comments were "an appropriate step."
It's unclear who recorded the video, when it was recorded and who initially posted it online. Boren suggested it was likely taken by another student who didn't agree with what was being chanted.
OU Unheard, a black student group on campus, posted a link to the video after someone anonymously called it to the group's attention Sunday afternoon, communications director Alexis Hall said Monday.
"We immediately needed to share that with the OU student body," said Hall, a junior. "For students to say they're going to lynch an entire group of people. ... It's disgusting."
The video appears to have been taken on a charter bus, with at least one of the chanting young men wearing a tuxedo.
Telephone and email messages left Monday with several members of the fraternity seeking comment on the video were not returned. Other members declined to comment.
"I was shocked they were just doing it openly on the bus, like they were proud of it," said Jared Scarborough, a junior in construction science. "From the chant you could tell they had done it before. It wasn't a first-time thing. And it was everybody. And the fist-pumping."
North Mesquite High School football star Jean Delance, a top offensive lineman prospect, told KTVT television and KRLD-AM in Dallas-Fort Worth that he would not attend Oklahoma. He said he spoke Sunday night with coach Bob Stoops, but wasn't told about the incident.
"I'm very disappointed in the coaches not letting me know. 'Hey jean, this is going on. Be aware. I don't want you to be shocked tomorrow when you wake up,'" Delance told KRLD. "But that was just heart-breaking right there."
A university police cruiser was parked Monday outside the fraternity house, a sprawling two-story, sand-colored brick building on a street lined with Greek houses just west of the center of campus. The Greek letters were removed from the side of the house Monday afternoon.
The University of Oklahoma, located in the southern Oklahoma City suburb of Norman, has about 27,000 students, about 5 percent of whom are black. The Greek system is largely segregated.
Boren said fraternity members had "violated all that we stand for."
"Effective immediately, all ties and affiliations between this University and the local SAE chapter are hereby severed," he said in a statement.
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It's 2015, you might think they would know cell phones exist. Cancel their charter and expel them all for having the IQ of a shoe. Their little song is lame and it doesn't even rhyme. Their galactic stupidity for not realising cell phones are fairly common and for having a traitor in their party demands they all be expelled and sent back to 8th grade.
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I thought this video was from the SAE fraternity at OSU, not OU?
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I thought this video was from the SAE fraternity at OSU, not OU?
Its was OU, Oklahoma Sooners
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/09/oklahoma-fraternity-racist-video/24634005/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/09/oklahoma-fraternity-racist-video/24634005/)
"To those who have misused their free speech in such a reprehensible way, I have a message for you. You are disgraceful," Boren tweeted after the protest. "You have violated all that we stand for. You should not have the privilege of calling yourself 'Sooners.'"
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Its was OU, Oklahoma Sooners
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/09/oklahoma-fraternity-racist-video/24634005/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/09/oklahoma-fraternity-racist-video/24634005/)
"To those who have misused their free speech in such a reprehensible way, I have a message for you. You are disgraceful," Boren tweeted after the protest. "You have violated all that we stand for. You should not have the privilege of calling yourself 'Sooners.'"
Yeah, I just looked it up. I could have sworn when it was on CNN earlier that they said OSU.
Either way, not good.
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this is really going to help Bob Stoops recruiting this season
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WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH! Je suis Charlie bullshit?? I guess you can be free but leave blacks and jews alone. Give me a fucking break.
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Lol what fucking tools...
Wouldnt be caught dead hanging with anyone of those frat losers. Lol what idiots
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To be fair, black folks aren't strongly represented at sea. They're not a nautical people by nature.
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WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH! Je suis Charlie bullshit?? I guess you can be free but leave blacks and jews alone. Give me a fucking break.
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WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH! Je suis Charlie bullshit?? I guess you can be free but leave blacks and jews alone. Give me a fucking break.
When you represent a school (which is an actual business), ...then im sure you can see the implications of their actions...
Not to mention boosters who pay BiG bucks to your athletic programs...
This aint just some kids in their backyard. Its damaging, and rightfully so.
But honestly, what fucking assholes. I mean u gotta be fucked up to be singing that bullshit and think its even remotely funny. I mean total doucheyness. I got douche chills listening to that. Haha what loser douche bags. Id ground my daughter for weeks if she ever brought home some southern frat beta retard
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WHAT ABOUT FREE SPEECH! Je suis Charlie bullshit?? I guess you can be free but leave blacks and jews alone. Give me a fucking break.
Free speech has its limitations. If you walked around your job screaming out racial slurs you would get fired. If you have a fraternity and you represent a school, your free speech is limited.
I dont get why people cant seem to understand this. You have free speech, but there are also consequences associated with what you say. Youre free to say whatever you want, but then organizations are free to tell you to take a hike.
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Free speech has its limitations. If you walked around your job screaming out racial slurs you would get fired. If you have a fraternity and you represent a school, your free speech is limited.
I dont get why people cant seem to understand this. You have free speech, but there are also consequences associated with what you say. Youre free to say whatever you want, but then organizations are free to tell you to take a hike.
College is not a job. You pay to be there (unless the college gave you a scholarship), you don't check your First Amendment rights at the door.
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College is not a job. You pay to be there (unless the college gave you a scholarship), you don't check your First Amendment rights at the door.
Dartmouth college is forbidding pledgings at fraternities and sororities, thus they are taking away fraternities/sororities free rights of expression. And they are allowed to do this. Similarly, since they are part of a fraternity, they may have to abide by certain rules of conduct. Furthermore, they are also requiring students to take a four year sexual violence prevention programs. This is a perfect example of a college implementing laws that override your free rights. If you dont attend the prevention program, you may no longer be allowed to attend school. Thus, colleges/universities may limit peoples freedoms depending on what rules they implement. You can exercise your first amendment right not to attend the prevention program, but then you may be kicked out of school. As stated, there are limits to your free rights when attending college/university. And if there was strict rules against racial slurs in fraternities, then their free speech means jack shit.
Dartmouth College on Thursday announced sweeping changes aimed at curbing dangerous behavior on campus, saying it will ban hard liquor, forbid pledging at fraternities and sororities, and require all students to undergo a four-year sexual violence prevention program.
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Free speech has its limitations. If you walked around your job screaming out racial slurs you would get fired. If you have a fraternity and you represent a school, your free speech is limited.
I dont get why people cant seem to understand this. You have free speech, but there are also consequences associated with what you say. Youre free to say whatever you want, but then organizations are free to tell you to take a hike.
QFT
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Dartmouth college is forbidding pledgings at fraternities and sororities, thus they are taking away fraternities/sororities free rights of expression. And they are allowed to do this. Similarly, since they are part of a fraternity, they may have to abide by certain rules of conduct. Furthermore, they are also requiring students to take a four year sexual violence prevention programs. This is a perfect example of a college implementing laws that override your free rights. If you dont attend the prevention program, you may no longer be allowed to attend school. Thus, colleges/universities may limit peoples freedoms depending on what rules they implement. As stated, there may have been rules against this sort of behavior.
Dartmouth College on Thursday announced sweeping changes aimed at curbing dangerous behavior on campus, saying it will ban hard liquor, forbid pledging at fraternities and sororities, and require all students to undergo a four-year sexual violence prevention program.
Nothing violent took place at the frat house in question. Forcing some people, to care about and respect other people, that they really don't care about, nor respect, is fascism. That's what political correctness really is. Blacks cause most of the violent crime in this country, including sexual violence.
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Nothing violent took place at the frat house in question. Forcing some people, to care about and respect other people, that they really don't care about, nor respect, is fascism. That's what political correctness really is. Blacks cause most of the violent crime in this country, including sexual violence.
It doesn't matter. Psychological abuse of hazing is not allowed on many colleges/universities, even though its not physical violence. Those fraternities/sororities that engage in psychological abuse to haze students can face legal penalty and will most likely be kicked out of school. This has been passed in Pennsylvania.
Its the schools rights to dictate what sort of behaviors fraternities may or may not engage, as they are directly attached to the school.
If these students do not like the policies, they are free to attend another school where the policies for fraternities are less strict. That is what is great about the free market. You can choose who you give your money to. Organizations are allowed to dictate policies and procedures as they see fit.
If these kids knew about the policies beforehand, then they deserve everything they get. If they didn't know about the policies beforehand, they still deserve what they get for being dumb.
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Looks like I seen Archer and Kwon_2 on that bus.
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It doesn't matter. Psychological abuse of hazing is not allowed on many colleges/universities, even though its not physical violence. Those fraternities/sororities that engage in psychological abuse to haze students can face legal penalty and will most likely be kicked out of school. This has been passed in Pennsylvania.
Its the schools rights to dictate what sort of behaviors fraternities may or may not engage, as they are directly attached to the school.
If these students do not like the policies, they are free to attend another school where the policies for fraternities are less strict. That is what is great about the free market. You can choose who you give your money to. If these kids knew about the policies beforehand, then they deserve everything they get. If they didn't know about the policies beforehand, they still deserve what they get for being dumb.
This wasn't a hazing. Stick to the subject. The kids were singing a racist song. Racism is a free choice, that a free man can choose. When the government forces you to deal with people, who you don't like, and who you don't care about, during any part of your life, that is not freedom. There is no reason for white people to be forced, against their will, to care about, or deal with blacks, except fascist rules that the government creates to discriminate against whites, in favor of blacks.
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This wasn't a hazing. Stick to the subject. The kids were singing a racist song. Racism is a free choice, that a free man can choose. When the government forces you to deal with people, who you don't like, and who you don't care about, during any part of your life, that is not freedom. There is no reason for white people to be forced, against their will, to care about, or deal with blacks, except fascist rules that the government creates to discriminate against whites, in favor of blacks.
Dingus, the hazing was an example to demonstrate that organizations are allowed to limit free rights. If the college/university forbids any racial statements associated with fraternities, then it does matter. Plain and simple. They will be punished as the policies dictate.
The fact of the matter is that these kids will be booted from school and there is not much they can do about it. If there free rights were violated, I am sure their parents will take up a lawsuit. Though, I suspect they violated some policies associated with fraternities, and therefore will pay the consequences. That is the choice they made. Now they are paying the price. If they didn't like the universities policies associated with fraternities, they should have went somewhere else.
In the end, your rant does not matter. All that matters is the policies put forth by the university. If the fraternity was in violation of said policies, then they deserve to get punished. Now, if this was not in the policy, then they may have a lawsuit.
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white people being racist to black people . what a shock ::)
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Dingus, the hazing was an example to demonstrate that organizations are allowed to limit free rights. If the college/university forbids any racial statements associated with fraternities, then it does matter. Plain and simple. They will be punished as the policies dictate.
The fact of the matter is that these kids will be booted from school and there is not much they can do about it. If there free rights were violated, I am sure their parents will take up a lawsuit. Though, I suspect they violated some policies associated with fraternities, and therefore will pay the consequences. That is the choice they made. Now they are paying the price. If they didn't like the universities policies associated with fraternities, they should have went somewhere else.
In the end, your rant does not matter. All that matters is the policies put forth by the university. If the fraternity was in violation of said policies, then they deserve to get punished. Now, if this was not in the policy, then they may have a lawsuit.
So the university can make rules against whites singing racists songs, but don't enforce the same rules
for blacks who constantly play hate whitey rap songs. The white kids are being discriminated against, to benefit blacks. The white students rights are being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. Yes, they should sue.
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I'm a fraternity brother, 2 of my brothers in my class are black, there's no hint of racism there at all (obviously or they wouldn't have joined.) These dudes at OU are douche bags....not the norm.
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It's 2015, you might think they would know cell phones exist. Cancel their charter and expel them all for having the IQ of a shoe. Their little song is lame and it doesn't even rhyme. Their galactic stupidity for not realising cell phones are fairly common and for having a traitor in their party demands they all be expelled and sent back to 8th grade.
Of course they know phones exist.
They just expected some more support in their chanting from their peers instead of this niggerdly reaction.
I hope a real university with decent values takes them in instead.
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So the university can make rules against whites singing racists songs, but don't enforce the same rules
for blacks who constantly play hate whitey rap songs. The white kids are being discriminated against, to benefit blacks. The white students rights are being sacrificed on the altar of political correctness. Yes, they should sue.
If there are specific policies against fraternities and racism, then I would hope that black fraternities would be held to the same level of accountability if they were saying similar things about white people.
As stated, colleges/universities have separate policies regarding this stuff. It all depends what the Univ of Oklohomas policies are.
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I'm a fraternity brother, 2 of my brothers in my class are black, there's no hint of racism there at all (obviously or they wouldn't have joined.) These dudes at OU are douche bags....not the norm.
Phi Sigma Schmoe?
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If there are specific policies against fraternities and racism, then I would hope that black fraternities would be held to the same level of accountability if they were saying similar things about white people.
As stated, colleges/universities have separate policies regarding this stuff. It all depends what the Univ of Oklohomas policies are.
Is there an example of a black frat being censored or kicked off campus for racist songs. No, but we all know that racist rap songs are played everyday. They are played on the radio. If a white man sings a racist song it is banned. It's total hypocrisy.
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Phi Sigma Schmoe?
:D
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Is there an example of a black frat being censored or kicked off campus for racist songs. No, but we all know that racist rap songs are played everyday. They are played on the radio. If a white man sings a racist song it is banned. It's total hypocrisy.
As you told me, stick to the subject at hand. We are talking about this particular incident and whether or not it violates any policies to warrant dismissal from the school. That is what I am speaking to. We are not talking about other incidents that may or may have not occurred.
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As you told me, stick to the subject at hand. We are talking about this particular incident and whether or not it violates any policies to warrant dismissal from the school. That is what I am speaking to. We are not talking about other incidents that may or may have not occurred.
Yes, so in this case, these white kid's First Amendment rights to free speech were indeed violated.
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Yes, so in this case, these white kid's First Amendment rights to free speech were indeed violated.
It depends what the policies were put forth by the university regarding fraternities and racism. Until we know that, its impossible to say.
Similarly, colleges/universities have banned hazing. Perhaps this university has banned the overt expression of racism by fraternities. Again, I do not know the policies of the University of Oklahoma.
For example, plagiarism is against the policies of all higher institutions. If youre caught plagiarizing, you will most likely be dismissed from school. This is stated in all the handbooks of higher institutions. If the same thing is listed for fraternities regarding racism, then they will be dismissed. Plain and simple. If not, then I am assuming they can sue.
If you're this concerned, find the policies and procedures handbook put out by the University of Oklahoma and see what they see about policies regarding fraternities.
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I don't see what the problem is. Doesn't America still have free speech ???
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It depends what the policies were put forth by the university regarding fraternities and racism. Until we know that, its impossible to say.
Similarly, colleges/universities have banned hazing. Perhaps this university has banned the overt expression of racism by fraternities. Again, I do not know the policies of the University of Oklahoma.
If you're this concerned, find the policies and procedures handbook put out by the University of Oklahoma and see what they see about policies regarding fraternities.
If they were black, they would have been given a warning, the university would have asked white students to forgive their black brothers for singing anti white songs, and the matter would have been immediately forgotten, as in swept under the rug. The frat wouldn't have been banned, and they wouldn't have been treated as though they committed some kind of heinous crime against humanity. Double standard.
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If they were black, they would have been given a warning, the university would have asked white students to forgive their black brothers for singing anti white songs, and the matter would have been immediately forgotten, as in swept under the rug. The frat wouldn't have been banned, and they wouldn't have been treated as though they committed some kind of heinous crime against humanity. Double standard.
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Fraternities are nearly as gay as getbiggers whatsapping each other
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All whites are "racist"...we now have the "proof", and the media will never let us forget it.
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Of course they know phones exist.
They just expected some more support in their chanting from their peers instead of this niggerdly reaction.
I hope a real university with decent values takes them in instead.
niggardly
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A mayor's assistant in d.c once used that word in his comments about the budget, and then was pressured into stepping down for it, lol
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For those claiming that these kids 1st amendment rights were violated; they weren't.
These kids were not: beaten by police, arrested, dragged to court, and thrown into jail.
They said what the wanted to say without being prosecuted by the courts system.
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Of course they know phones exist.
They just expected some more support in their chanting from their peers instead of this niggerdly reaction.
I hope a real university with decent values takes them in instead.
Decent values? I don't see why Ron doesn't delete this gimmick.
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Decent values? I don't see why Ron doesn't delete this gimmick.
There are gimmick accounts all through this thread... and I'm not talking about Kwon
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Free speech has its limitations. If you walked around your job screaming out racial slurs you would get fired. If you have a fraternity and you represent a school, your free speech is limited.
I dont get why people cant seem to understand this. You have free speech, but there are also consequences associated with what you say. Youre free to say whatever you want, but then organizations are free to tell you to take a hike.
Lol at the morons in here arguing with you about this. I have no idea where these wind bags crawl out of to argue about this. You are exactly rigt and this is fact
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Is there an example of a black frat being censored or kicked off campus for racist songs. No, but we all know that racist rap songs are played everyday. They are played on the radio. If a white man sings a racist song it is banned. It's total hypocrisy.
Lol. Music is a business and so are schools.
One has rules about racism, one does not. Businesses can do as they please.
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For those claiming that these kids 1st amendment rights were violated; they weren't.
These kids were not: beaten by police, arrested, dragged to court, and thrown into jail.
They said what the wanted to say without being prosecuted by the courts system.
Exactly. End thread
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There are gimmick accounts all through this thread... and I'm not talking about Kwon
LittleJ is the gimmick-account of AndreDaPorcher.
LOL @ at that porcher getting uppity, i have been an upstanding getbig-veteran since 2003 and i don't use gimmicks.
I am against it.
Such things (as gimmickry, theft of bikes and chicken and melon-gluttony) are below me (and should be below any decent human being) but certainly not below those hebrews since it's right up their porch/alley.
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Who cares.
LittleJ is the gimmick-account of AndreDaPorcher.
LOL @ at that porcher getting uppity, i have been an upstanding getbig-veteran since 2003 and i don't use gimmicks.
I am against it.
Such things (as gimmickry, theft of bikes and chicken and melon-gluttony) are below me (and should be below any decent human being) but certainly not below those hebrews since it's right up their porch/alley.
Littlejenkem thinks I'm your gimmick or vice versa. If only. I could never light a candle to the great kwon
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Who cares.
Littlejenkem thinks I'm your gimmick or vice versa. If only. I could never light a candle to the great kwon
LOL what? Really? He thinks YOU are My gimmick? :D
If it had any clue or knowledge of Getbig, it would know my legacy and that i was one of the main proponents against gimmickry back in 2005, what does the poor thing know really?
The nerve!
Muds these days just don't know their place!
Inconceivable!
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LOL what? Really? He thinks YOU are My gimmick? :D
If it had any clue or knowledge of Getbig it would know my legacy and that i was one of the main proponents against gimmickry back in 2005, what does the poor thing know really?
The nerve!
Muds these days just don't know their place!
Inconceivable!
Hahaha. Maybe it's I'm your gimmick. He hasnt made the accusation in a while.
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Who cares.
Littlejenkem thinks I'm your gimmick or vice versa. If only. I could never light a candle to the great kwon
I said "The Ugly " was your gimmick. What drugs are you using now?
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I said "The Ugly " was your gimmick. What drugs are you using now?
I thought it was kwon as well. I really dont pay much attention to what you say after you start crying. I do know what drug you're taking, estrogen.
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LittleJ is the gimmick-account of AndreDaPorcher.
LOL @ at that porcher getting uppity, i have been an upstanding getbig-veteran since 2003 and i don't use gimmicks.
I am against it.
Such things (as gimmickry, theft of bikes and chicken and melon-gluttony) are below me (and should be below any decent human being) but certainly not below those hebrews since it's right up their porch/alley.
LOL what? Really? He thinks YOU are My gimmick? :D
If it had any clue or knowledge of Getbig, it would know my legacy and that i was one of the main proponents against gimmickry back in 2005, what does the poor thing know really?
The nerve!
Muds these days just don't know their place!
Inconceivable!
You just prove my point. I've never seen a 40's year old male act like you do. You actually remind me of Woten. Both scum that I hope will get what's coming to you.
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I thought it was kwon as well. I really dont pay much attention to what you say after you start crying. I do know what drug you're taking, estrogen.
You sure got me figured out Mr. Michigan grad ::)
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You sure got me figured out Mr. Michigan grad ::)
What does figuring you out have to do with anything. I simply forgot what you said because what you say isnt important to me or anyone at getbig.
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You actually remind me of Woten.
Woten/Wotan is another name for Odin/Oden, so thank you LittleJiggaboo! :)
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Eric made the claim that use of government email is a protected speech. We were specifically looking at evidence of illegal activity in the other thread (the emails). I thought it was a joke, this first amendment defence but I don't know if it's so clear in this case...
You could argue that these students did not substantially disrupt activity at the school and therefore the censorship would be unjustified.
team freedom ftw
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Nothing violent took place at the frat house in question. Forcing some people, to care about and respect other people, that they really don't care about, nor respect, is fascism. That's what political correctness really is. Blacks cause most of the violent crime in this country, including sexual violence.
You are an idiot. Bah!
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Eric made the claim that use of government email is a protected speech. We were specifically looking at evidence of illegal activity in the other thread (the emails). I thought it was a joke, this first amendment defence but I don't know if it's so clear in this case...
You could argue that these students did not substantially disrupt activity at the school and therefore the censorship would be unjustified.
team freedom ftw
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Whether or not disruption took place is secondary to the policies and procedures put forth by the school. Speaking your mind may not cause disruption, but if it violates codes of conduct according to that organization, than they have every right to dismiss you if they choose to.
As I stated previously, hazing is now against all colleges/universities in the state of pennsylvania, whether or not disruption occurred against the person being hazed. If a fraternity is caught hazing, they will be disciplined, independent of the physical or psychological consequences, especially if someone reports them.
Youre free to walk down times square and scream racial slurs. But youre not free to scream racial slurs in organizations that may deem that behavior unacceptable. As I have stated 100 times, it all depends what are the policies and procedures for fraternities at the Univ. of Oklahoma.
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Embarrassing. The stupidity just makes me feel weary all over. :-\
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Embarrassing. The stupidity just makes me feel weary all over. :-\
Why? There are millions of other issues more worthy of being upset over. This is red meat for the professionally offended.
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What does figuring you out have to do with anything. I simply forgot what you said because what you say isnt important to me or anyone at getbig.
wolverine?
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wolverine?
Yes. I originally responded with a comment meant for another member.
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Why? There are millions of other issues more worthy of being upset over. This is red meat for the professionally offended.
Only one topic at hand, not millions. Maybe gear back on the moral relativism.
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The utter hypocrisy is that these kids have all racist parents, but the parents wont have any troubles. Fact is their parents tell them colored people are inferior at home, and to be polite with them and never say it like it is "in real life". If you knew the number of people who hang out with colored people yet think they are inferior. Same could be said of colored people who hang out with withe people but deeply despise them. It's all about hypocrisy. Dissimulating what you think to survive until you get opportunities to dominate.
Just like white people who go to basketball games, and think "millionaire slaves playing for my enjoyment".
Racism wont end until...one race take over all the others once and for all. Lets stop the hypocrisy, we all know it.
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I was beign sarcastic about Free Speech, but again if they were chanting anti-muslim things and the bus blew up I'm pretty sure the same people calling foul would be in support of their free speech. It just makes me laugh how the media skews the true meaning.
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Only one topic at hand, not millions. Maybe gear back on the moral relativism.
Gear back on the sanctimonious selective outrage. It's a valid question and I was hoping you would provide intelligent insights. Why are you upset enough about this issue to comment when its totaly inconsequential?
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What does figuring you out have to do with anything. I simply forgot what you said because what you say isnt important to me or anyone at getbig.
I don't blame you at all for your hatred towards brown people. I blame your parents for doing a horrible job of raising you.
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Whether or not disruption took place is secondary to the policies and procedures put forth by the school. Speaking your mind may not cause disruption, but if it violates codes of conduct according to that organization, than they have every right to dismiss you if they choose to.
As I stated previously, hazing is now against all colleges/universities in the state of pennsylvania, whether or not disruption occurred against the person being hazed. If a fraternity is caught hazing, they will be disciplined, independent of the physical or psychological consequences, especially if someone reports them.
Youre free to walk down times square and scream racial slurs. But youre not free to scream racial slurs in organizations that may deem that behavior unacceptable. As I have stated 100 times, it all depends what are the policies and procedures for fraternities at the Univ. of Oklahoma.
I don't know the details about hazing but the same principles apply. The policies have to be legally sound.
A school is not strictly a commercial enterprise, contrary to policy adjustments of the past few decades. "Commercial speech" and "School speech" are differentiated. Kids chanting on a bus...hmmm...you have to be very careful about limiting speech in these environments regardless of the message I'm not sure I agree with it. :o
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I don't blame you at all for your hatred towards brown people. I blame your parents for doing a horrible job of raising you.
What a shock! Littlejenkem crying like a baby and calling people racist.
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I don't blame you at all for your hatred towards brown people. I blame your parents for doing a horrible job of raising you.
look white people are inherently racist toward colored people just like colored people are inherently racist toward white people. That's just how it is. We re animal from different races with strenghts and weaknesses and we spend our lives preying on each others for limited ressources. Healthy powerful young people are repulsed, disgusted by ugly, weak, old people. Is it racism?
No, it's our animal nature. No written law is ever going to change any of it. That's just the way it is.
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People should be able to say whatever they want against anyone they want and thats it.Its their right to freedom to freedom of speech.
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look white people are inherently racist toward colored people just like colored people are inherently racist toward white people. That's just how it is. We re animal from different races with strenghts and weaknesses and we spend our lives preying on each others for limited ressources. Healthy powerful young people are repulsed, disgusted by ugly, weak, old people. Is it racism?
No, it's our animal nature. No written law is ever going to change any of it. That's just the way it is.
Accusations of racism are an manipulative adaptive strategy for people like littlejenk. I'm sure in his world the accusation causes instant paralysis and defensiveness in people and thus compliance.
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LOL at all the black folk on TV saying how upset and how discussed they are with the video. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Some even wanting the drunk frat boys charged with assault. LOL!!
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LOL at all the black folk on TV saying how upset and how discussed they are with the video. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Some even wanting the drunk frat boys charged with assault. LOL!!
The left need a sacrifice to keep the narrative going. Like I said, it's red meat for the professionally offended.
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Rev. Al is not impressed.
(http://manhattaninfidel.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AlSharpton_Leibovitz_pr.jpg).
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I don't know the details about hazing but the same principles apply. The policies have to be legally sound.
A school is not strictly a commercial enterprise, contrary to policy adjustments of the past few decades. "Commercial speech" and "School speech" are differentiated. Kids chanting on a bus...hmmm...you have to be very careful about limiting speech in these environments regardless of the message I'm not sure I agree with it. :o
Agreed, which is why I stated if one wanted to really know, then one should check the policies and procedures dictated by the university about this sort of stuff. That is all I can say on the matter.
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Racism Of Peace
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Agreed, which is why I stated if one wanted to really know, then one should check the policies and procedures dictated by the university about this sort of stuff. That is all I can say on the matter.
And this is all anyone should say about the issue. What's happened is only representative of the individuals engaging in these acts and should not be used as a political soapbox to make any other judgments or policies. The students will be punished and life will go on.
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Agreed, which is why I stated if one wanted to really know, then one should check the policies and procedures dictated by the university about this sort of stuff. That is all I can say on the matter.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/10/racism-fraternity-oklahoma-free-speech-free-marketplace-column/24697041/
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look white people are inherently racist toward colored people just like colored people are inherently racist toward white people. That's just how it is. We re animal from different races with strenghts and weaknesses and we spend our lives preying on each others for limited ressources. Healthy powerful young people are repulsed, disgusted by ugly, weak, old people. Is it racism?
No, it's our animal nature. No written law is ever going to change any of it. That's just the way it is.
Indeed.
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LOL at all the black folk on TV saying how upset and how discussed they are with the video. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! Some even wanting the drunk frat boys charged with assault. LOL!!
They have two more Obama years for sympathy before America moves on from this shit and a President who doesn't give a fuck about them.
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What I hate more is the term REVERSE RACISM. They basically think racism is white hating blacks. No, its one race hating another. Reverse racism means not racist. Fucking idiot media cocks.
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They have two more Obama years for sympathy before America moves on from this shit and a President who doesn't give a fuck about them.
Judging by the 10% unemployment rates for blacks I would argue that Obama doesnt care about them either. Obama does know how to distract them with purple drank and fried chicken bread and circuses.
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What I hate more is the term REVERSE RACISM. They basically think racism is white hating blacks. No, its one race hating another. Reverse racism means not racist. Fucking idiot media cocks.
hehe the bizarre intellectual gymnastics required to justify certain positions is funny. It takes a heavily deranged mind to produce this material!
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People should be able to say whatever they want against anyone they want and thats it.Its their right to freedom to freedom of speech.
Lol totally missing the point of argument lol
"Free speech der!"
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/10/racism-fraternity-oklahoma-free-speech-free-marketplace-column/24697041/
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Interesting. Then what was the ground on having them dismissed and making them close down their fraternity? I suspect Univ of Okl may have a lawsuit on their hands.
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Interesting. Then what was the ground on having them dismissed and making them close down their fraternity? I suspect Univ of Okl may have a lawsuit on their hands.
The argument from the university president is that they "created a hostile learning environment for others.” I gather there is some appeals process but so far the censorship action seems heavy handed. Did they do an investigation? Indeed, it could turn very out badly for the university depending on how this is resolved. It's really not appropriate to censor students for offensiveness.
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Technically I don't know if this one would be considered offensive. I think "negrita" is actually a term of endearment in alot of Latin America countries.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/7d/73/0e7d738e3927b9ec3333edfaf204410a.jpg)
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Technically I don't know if this one would be considered offensive. I think "negrita" is actually a term of endearment in alot of Latin America countries.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0e/7d/73/0e7d738e3927b9ec3333edfaf204410a.jpg)
I know AnalogicHalo used to call his babymama that :D ;D
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(http://tailoredavenue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/marky-mark.jpg).
is not please by the turn of this thread so soon after black history month.
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The argument from the university president is that they "created a hostile learning environment for others.” I gather there is some appeals process but so far the censorship action seems heavy handed. Did they do an investigation? Indeed, it could turn very out badly for the university depending on how this is resolved. It's really not appropriate to censor students for offensiveness.
But look at it both ways. It will turn out VERY bad if the president doesn't take action. Lets say he decided not to punish the students at all. This may lead to a decrease in enrollment, people may not offer endowments, funding may go down, depending on who is providing funding or endowment. On the other hand, censoring students may lead to negative consequences as well. However, at the end of the day, the president is probably playing it safe. Less repercussions associated with booting these dumb students.
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But look at it both ways. It will turn out VERY bad if the president doesn't take action. Lets say he decided not to punish the students at all. This may lead to a decrease in enrollment, people may not offer endowments, funding may go down, depending on who is providing funding or endowment. On the other hand, censoring students may lead to negative consequences as well. However, at the end of the day, the president is probably playing it safe. Less repercussions associated with booting these dumb students.
That's all well and good but unfortunately Eric is right that "freedom of speech is a right in the U S of A" so the president is legally obliged to do his job and take care of business without trampling on students rights. It's not a popular cause to defend so it get reduced to a defence purely on principle. Of course nobody has any principles these days so these kids will get crushed and everybody will move along.
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That's all well and good but unfortunately Eric is right that "freedom of speech is a right in the U S of A" so the president is legally obliged to do his job and take care of business without trampling on students rights. It's not a popular cause to defend so it get reduced to a defence purely on principle. Of course nobody has any principles these days so these kids will get crushed and everybody will move along.
Well, yes, it appears that there was no outright policy against this sort of behavior.
However, as I stated previously, colleges/universities may limit free speech. They have done this with hazing rituals (it is banned in many universities/colleges, and you may be dismissed from school. This is written in many universities handbook. It was already passed by Pennsylvania), that may involve one student verbally abusing another student. The difference is that hazing involves one student directly affecting another student. However, one can argue that this still limits freedom, since you're limiting the freedom of an adult to be hazed, if they choose to be a part of it.
I wonder if there are any policies against direct racism? Like, are students allowed to say racial slurs on school campus while walking around or in class?
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That's all well and good but unfortunately Eric is right that "freedom of speech is a right in the U S of A" so the president is legally obliged to do his job and take care of business without trampling on students rights. It's not a popular cause to defend so it get reduced to a defence purely on principle. Of course nobody has any principles these days so these kids will get crushed and everybody will move along.
Some schools have limited free speech. For example:
NORTH PARK UNIVERSITY
Racial and Ethnic Harassment Specifically Defined
North Park aspires to be a multi-cultural community of learning. In order to make this goal a reality, we need to develop a sensitivity to, and an educated awareness of, each other's cultures, nationalities and ethnic differences. Demeaning or harassing comments or acts, which are racially or ethnically motivated, are contrary to the spirit and goals of the North Park community.
Racist and/or discriminatory conduct includes verbal or physical behavior that explicitly or implicitly demeans the race, color, ethnic ancestry or national origin of an individual or individuals. Examples of racist or discriminatory behavior include, but are not limited to:
§ Verbal assaults based upon ethnicity that demeans the color, culture or history of any person or persons,
and/or that perpetuate stereotypical beliefs about and attitudes toward minority groups. Such verbal
assaults may include name-calling, racial slurs, slang references and jokes.
§ Nonverbal behavior that demeans the color, culture or history of any person or persons and/or that
perpetuates stereotypical beliefs about and attitudes toward minority groups. Such behaviors may include
gestures, portrayals, graffiti or acts of exclusion.
§ Intimidation through threats of force or violence or threats of interference with an individual's education, work
or other activity.
§ Physical contact or assault for racist and discriminatory reasons.
CONSEQUENCES
The institution will take prompt and appropriate action when complaints of harassment (racial or sexual) are registered, including appropriate disciplinary action up to dismissal, if the complaint is substantiated and such discipline is deemed necessary.
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http://news.yahoo.com/ou-fraternity-close-racist-video-posted-online-040106571.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ou-fraternity-close-racist-video-posted-online-040106571.html)
catchy tune
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Some schools have limited free speech. For example:
NORTH PARK UNIVERSITY
Racial and Ethnic Harassment Specifically Defined
North Park aspires to be a multi-cultural community of learning. In order to make this goal a reality, we need to develop a sensitivity to, and an educated awareness of, each other's cultures, nationalities and ethnic differences. Demeaning or harassing comments or acts, which are racially or ethnically motivated, are contrary to the spirit and goals of the North Park community.
Racist and/or discriminatory conduct includes verbal or physical behavior that explicitly or implicitly demeans the race, color, ethnic ancestry or national origin of an individual or individuals. Examples of racist or discriminatory behavior include, but are not limited to:
§ Verbal assaults based upon ethnicity that demeans the color, culture or history of any person or persons,
and/or that perpetuate stereotypical beliefs about and attitudes toward minority groups. Such verbal
assaults may include name-calling, racial slurs, slang references and jokes.
§ Nonverbal behavior that demeans the color, culture or history of any person or persons and/or that
perpetuates stereotypical beliefs about and attitudes toward minority groups. Such behaviors may include
gestures, portrayals, graffiti or acts of exclusion.
§ Intimidation through threats of force or violence or threats of interference with an individual's education, work
or other activity.
§ Physical contact or assault for racist and discriminatory reasons.
CONSEQUENCES
The institution will take prompt and appropriate action when complaints of harassment (racial or sexual) are registered, including appropriate disciplinary action up to dismissal, if the complaint is substantiated and such discipline is deemed necessary.
The relevant question is do these policies pass constitutional muster? ie: first amendment. For example; the city of Ferguson was found to have a pattern and practice (aka policy) that was unconstitutional. An unconstitutional policy is more offensive than a one-off infringement.
The US of A has a very strong record for speech protection but it's cases like these that can erode that tradition.
haters have the right to hate. it's really the intellectual dishonesty that the most offensive. Oh ya ban the intellectual poseurs way before the racists.
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The relevant question is do these policies pass constitutional muster? ie: first amendment. For example; the city of Ferguson was found to have a pattern and practice (aka policy) that was unconstitutional. An unconstitutional policy is more offensive than a one-off infringement.
The US of A has a very strong record for speech protection but it's cases like these that can erode that tradition.
haters have the right to hate. it's really the intellectual dishonesty that the most offensive. Oh ya ban the intellectual poseurs way before the racists.
I am sure the universities/colleges have the best lawyers at hand, helping them write appropriate policies/procedures that will not be sidetracked by the argument, "Free speech."
If a student engaged in any of that behavior, the university has every right at North Park to dismiss the student. Whether or not this erodes freedom of speech is beyond the point. Even if it does, the university has the right to dismiss people that break that policy.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with this. What I am saying is that universities often due implement policies that limit free speech.
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I am sure the universities/colleges have the best lawyers at hand, helping them write appropriate policies/procedures that will not be sidetracked by the argument, "Free speech."
If a student engaged in any of that behavior, the university has every right at North Park to dismiss the student. Whether or not this erodes freedom of speech is beyond the point. Even if it does, the university has the right to dismiss people that break that policy.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with this. What I am saying is that universities often due implement policies that limit free speech.
There is a difference between a "right" and a "practice". The former is justified legally the other latter is subject to legal judgement. We can observe institutional behavior and catalogue it till the cows come home but that doesn't make it anything special.
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I don't see what the problem is. Doesn't America still have free speech ???
Of course. You're free to say almost anything. But that speech comes with consequences. Getting kicked out was a consequence for their speech.
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Of course. You're free to say almost anything. But that speech comes with consequences. Getting kicked out was a consequence for their speech.
Not at a publicly funded state University. ;)
At a private college then yes of course.
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Je suis Hebrew
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Not at a publicly funded state University. ;)
At a private college then yes of course.
Even publicly funded state universities have policies that students must abide by. Youre not free to do anything you want just because its a state school.
I am not referring to this particular instance, but in general, state funded schools due have policies that students must abide by.
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There is a difference between a "right" and a "practice". The former is justified legally the other latter is subject to legal judgement. We can observe institutional behavior and catalogue it till the cows come home but that doesn't make it anything special.
Well, we shall see if the students bring lawsuits against the university.
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Even publicly funded state universities have policies that students must abide by. Youre not free to do anything you want just because its a state school.
I am not referring to this particular instance, but in general, state funded schools due have policies that students must abide by.
You are correct sir. Public universities do have rules and policies and one cannot do anything they please. However free speech is one thing they can do and not get expelled over.
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You are correct sir. Public universities do have rules and policies and one cannot do anything they please. However free speech is one thing they can do and not get expelled over.
What about hazing? Public universities have banned hazing, which limits free speech.
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What about hazing? Public universities have banned hazing, which limits free speech.
lol @ this being hazing ;D ::)
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Stupid white people need to get it together, giving these fuckers more fuel to feed on >:(
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lol @ this being hazing ;D ::)
I am not saying this is hazing. I am saying that public universities have set limits on peoples speech (hazing). Your contention was that a public university cannot expel someone over free speech, however, students may get expelled if they are engaging in hazing, which limits free speech.
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I am not saying this is hazing. I am saying that public universities have set limits on peoples speech (hazing). Your contention was that a public university cannot expel someone over free speech, however, students may get expelled if they are engaging in hazing, which limits free speech.
Yes threats, harassment, hazing etc is not protected. As we learned in high school government class yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. Singing a song about Hebrews in private is.
I seriously I didn't even watch the video or read the article so I'm kinda just trolling anyway. :D
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Yes threats, harassment, hazing etc is not protected. As we learned in high school government class yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. Singing a song about Hebrews in private is.
I seriously I didn't even watch the video or read the article so I'm kinda just trolling anyway.
Hazing is not always threats and harassment. For example, some sororities will tell potential sorority candidate that they are fat, etc as part of the hazing ritual. Should it be against school policy to call another student fat?
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I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?
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I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?
They'd just have to apologize, which is what they should allow these kids to do. I don't get how expelling them solves anything, it's just more feel good bullshit. If anything, allowing them to apologize seems like an opportunity to turn this into a teaching moment, and actually have an open discussion on things.
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Hazing is not always threats and harassment. For example, some sororities will tell potential sorority candidate that they are fat, etc as part of the hazing ritual. Should it be against school policy to call another student fat?
Maybe some punishment but not expulsion. No way.
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Haha good job president. Get the fuck out! Fucking thug as animals
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I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?
Hebrews doesn't sing racist songs. It never happened so do not wonder what would happened.
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Haha good job president. Get the fuck out! Fucking thug as animals
I'm sure there was a lot of racism down in hill billy alabama
Wasn't there a frat or a sorority that only recruited whites only and made it clear no blacks were allowed?
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I'm sure there was a lot of racism down in hill billy alabama
Wasn't there a frat or a sorority that only recruited whites only and made it clear no blacks were allowed?
Yes, but you'd expect that at Alabama.
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If they're going to hold the whole fraternity chapter responsible for the behavior of a few individuals then isn't it necessary to call the entire fraternity system into question? And if the fraternity system as a whole is to blame then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general?
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Why are people forced to like each other? Seriously? Why do certain whites have to like blacks? Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like? if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue. Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?
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Why are people forced to like each other? Seriously? Why do certain whites have to like blacks? Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like? if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue. Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?
Because courts are so full and they don't want it to be fuller by hate crimes? Because it's good to like other people not depending on their colors?
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Why are people forced to like each other? Seriously? Why do certain whites have to like blacks? Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like? if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue. Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?
Utopian fantasies
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Because courts are so full and they don't want it to be fuller by hate crimes? Because it's good to like other people not depending on their colors?
You can hate people for various reasons. Again why do you have to be punished for it?
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I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?
That's the danger of having a media like ours...very small number of people deciding what information gets put out for mass viewing
Hard to imagine anything more dangerous than that
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That's the danger of having a media like ours...very small number of people deciding what information gets put out for mass viewing
Hard to imagine anything more dangerous than that
And that is why a non-issue becomes national news. It's amazing and sad to see what constitutes a scandal these days.
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And that is why a non-issue becomes national news. It's amazing and sad to see what constitutes a scandal these days.
People link their sense of logic with it, and it makes for mass insanity.
I honestly can't think of many things more dangerous to society than that
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Heard black guys on ESPN saying the future of these kids need to suffer for this blah blah. Then they were silent about Athletes that beat their wives and how they deserve a second chance in the NFL. Fuck them.
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You can hate people for various reasons. Again why do you have to be punished for it?
You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you? Wouldn't you react if going in the street and someone mock you according to some of your features? It's not nice to hate on people in front of them, if you do so except a beating or a punishement which is fit better to advanced civilisation we are in.
If you declare hate on anyone, be ready to get hate back my friend.
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You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you?
He's not black, why would they sing about him??
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Looks like blacks have it pretty good
Highlights of CEO Study on Racial Admission Preferences at the University of Oklahoma
The study, which analyzes data obtained from the University itself, found that African Americans were admitted to all three schools with lower academic qualifications than students from other racial and ethnic groups. There was some evidence of preferential treatment for American Indian applicants as well.
Law School
Black-white median LSAT gaps of 6 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of over 100); undergraduate GPA gap as well.
105 whites rejected despite higher LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than median black admittee.
Black-to-white odds ratio of 5.5 to 1 and American Indian-to-white odds ratio of 2.3 to 1.
If a non-African American applicant had the same credentials as the median African American admittee, he or she would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. Specifically, while an African American applicant with these credentials would have a 60% chance of admission, an identically credentialed American Indian applicant would have only a 39% chance of admission, a Hispanic applicant only 24%, a white applicant only 22%, and an Asian American applicant only a 15% chance.
Undergraduate
Black-white and black-Asian ACT gap of 4 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of 160); high-school GPA gaps as well.
Relatively small but still statistically significant black-to-white and American Indian-to-white odds ratios.
Medical School
MCAT and undergraduate GPA gaps between white and Asian admittees versus URM (“underrepresented minority” – i.e., American Indian, African American, and Hispanic) admittees.In the most recent year analyzed, 29 whites and 2 Asian American applicants rejected despite higher MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than the median URM admittee.
Odds ratios favoring URM applicants over white applicants were approximately 5 to 1.
If a white or Asian applicant had the same credentials as the average URM admittee, that applicant would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. That is, URMs would have a 72% chance of admission, compared to 34% for an Asian American and 35% for a white applicant with the same qualifications.
Performance on the U.S. Medical Licensing Exam, Step 1: Hispanics performed at roughly the same level as whites and Asians, but African Americans performed below all other groups (that is, they were the group most likely to fail or not take the exam, and their scores were the lowest); American Indians’ performance fell between the performance of Hispanics and African Americans.
http://www.ceousa.org/affirmative-action/affirmative-action-news/employment/625-racial-discrimination-found-in-university-of-oklahoma-admissions
http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/624/Oklahoma_Study.pdf
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Looks like blacks have it pretty good
Highlights of CEO Study on Racial Admission Preferences at the University of Oklahoma
The study, which analyzes data obtained from the University itself, found that African Americans were admitted to all three schools with lower academic qualifications than students from other racial and ethnic groups. There was some evidence of preferential treatment for American Indian applicants as well.
Law School
Black-white median LSAT gaps of 6 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of over 100); undergraduate GPA gap as well.
105 whites rejected despite higher LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than median black admittee.
Black-to-white odds ratio of 5.5 to 1 and American Indian-to-white odds ratio of 2.3 to 1.
If a non-African American applicant had the same credentials as the median African American admittee, he or she would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. Specifically, while an African American applicant with these credentials would have a 60% chance of admission, an identically credentialed American Indian applicant would have only a 39% chance of admission, a Hispanic applicant only 24%, a white applicant only 22%, and an Asian American applicant only a 15% chance.
Undergraduate
Black-white and black-Asian ACT gap of 4 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of 160); high-school GPA gaps as well.
Relatively small but still statistically significant black-to-white and American Indian-to-white odds ratios.
Medical School
MCAT and undergraduate GPA gaps between white and Asian admittees versus URM (“underrepresented minority” – i.e., American Indian, African American, and Hispanic) admittees.In the most recent year analyzed, 29 whites and 2 Asian American applicants rejected despite higher MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than the median URM admittee.
Odds ratios favoring URM applicants over white applicants were approximately 5 to 1.
If a white or Asian applicant had the same credentials as the average URM admittee, that applicant would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. That is, URMs would have a 72% chance of admission, compared to 34% for an Asian American and 35% for a white applicant with the same qualifications.
Performance on the U.S. Medical Licensing Exam, Step 1: Hispanics performed at roughly the same level as whites and Asians, but African Americans performed below all other groups (that is, they were the group most likely to fail or not take the exam, and their scores were the lowest); American Indians’ performance fell between the performance of Hispanics and African Americans.
http://www.ceousa.org/affirmative-action/affirmative-action-news/employment/625-racial-discrimination-found-in-university-of-oklahoma-admissions
http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/624/Oklahoma_Study.pdf
This is not new. Harvard, UCLA, Berkley etc... are rejecting Asians with higher grades because if they only admitted those with the best grades their schools would be 90-% chinese. They want diversity and work it that way.
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This is not new. Harvard, UCLA, Berkley etc... are rejecting Asians with higher grades because if they only admitted those with the best grades their schools would be 90-% chinese. They want diversity and work it that way.
Cal Tech is a good example. Cal Tech is totally merit based and 47% of the students are Asian. Anytime someone tells you that blacks have to work twice as hard laugh in their face.
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You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you? Wouldn't you react if going in the street and someone mock you according to some of your features? It's not nice to hate on people in front of them, if you do so except a beating or a punishement which is fit better to advanced civilisation we are in.
If you declare hate on anyone, be ready to get hate back my friend.
No. I can be at a black club and I guarantee you if they started calling me white racial names that the law wouldn't care. A bunch of blondes can yell at me that they hate guys with black hair and make fun of me. That's fair.
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I'll defend their right to say what they want to say but these guys are morons. They just disgraced their school and themselves.....and for what?
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Cal Tech is a good example. Cal Tech is totally merit based and 47% of the students are Asian. Anytime someone tells you that blacks have to work twice as hard laugh in their face.
Funny blacks brag about physical prowess and say they are superior athletes than whites but when whites say they are superior to them in intellect and more well rounded they get pissed ;D
So which is it fellow Hebrews?
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Funny blacks brag about physical prowess and say they are superior athletes than whites but when whites say they are superior to them in intellect and more well rounded they get pissed ;D
So which is it fellow Hebrews?
Excellent point.
Black often say they are against stereotypes. In reality they are only against stereotypes that paint them in a negative light. They have no problem talking about how black guys have huge dongs and are great dancers, etc.
There is a reason that stereotypes exist. They often have a strong basis in fact. While you can't paint every person with a large brush you also shouldn't try to deny reality.
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oh brother settle down fellas ::)
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oh brother settle down fellas ::)
You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.
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You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.
I've already done that.
let me know when you're done playing around with your stats
I'll be happy to examine those before you get too carried away with the hee haw hoedown.
:D
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I've already done that.
let me know when you're done playing around with your stats
I'll be happy to examine those before you get too carried away with the hee haw hoedown.
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Kore? Is that you, pizza face?. You didn't bother looking at any of stats I've ever posted. Have you done any research yourself? I doubt it. You're the type who takes everything at face value if it fits narrative you've chosen.
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Kore? Is that you, pizza face?. You didn't bother looking at any of stats I've ever posted. Have you done any research yourself? I doubt it. You're the type who takes everything at face value if it fits narrative you've chosen.
I do and I appreciate the effort. I think you're pretty serious but the interpretations are sometimes quite perplexing. I don't have a kind way to describe this phenomenon.
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I do and I appreciate the effort. I think you're pretty serious but the interpretations are sometimes quite perplexing. I don't have a kind way to describe this phenomenon.
The interpretations are not my own but those of the groups who compiled the statistics. Is this you, Kore?
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The interpretations are not my own but those of the groups who compiled the statistics. Is this you, Kore?
whoever generated the material doesn't really matter. The same conclusions apply. I don't know who Kore is either.
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whoever generated the material doesn't really matter. The same conclusions apply. I don't know who Kore is either.
This is kore
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The problem is that you don't even bother looking at the details of the Ferguson report and take it at face value. You see what you want to see.
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You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.
I've never been one to discourage people from dropping N-bombs. I agree that we shouldn't flip out when people use "naughty words". Talking shit and disparaging people that are different from you is good fun in my book and I do it all the time.
However, I bummed out because I heard these college dickheads saying something about "stringing them up from a tree", or something like that. It was hard to understand what they were saying but to me that's taking things a bit too far. Lynching is serious shit and shouldn't be made into a punchline even if they were joking.
To each their own but that's just how I feel about it.
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[R]acist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech. That has been the unanimous view of courts that have considered campus speech codes and other campus speech restrictions — see here for some citations. The same, of course, is true for fraternity speech, racist or otherwise; see Iota Xi Chapter of Sigma Chi Fraternity v. George Mason University (4th Cir. 1993). (I set aside the separate question of student speech that is evaluated as part of coursework or class participation, which necessarily must be evaluated based on its content; this speech clearly doesn't qualify.)
http://www.christianpost.com/news/congratulations-university-of-oklahoma-in-your-outrage-you-just-violated-the-law-135486/
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Oklahoma University President Himself Can Be Sued Over SAE Punishments
Oklahoma University: Violation of rights to Free Speech
There are many legal grounds upon which law suits, some seeking not only damages but also payment of attorney fees, could be brought. These include violation of rights to Free Speech under the U.S. Constitution, violation of their rights to Due Process also guaranteed by the Constitution, violation of the procedural protections guaranteed by the university’s own “Student Rights and Responsibilities Code,” and legal action under any local laws protecting people from summary evictions for their places of dwelling.
Virtually all legal authorities who have spoken out agree that a state school cannot expel students for even racist or hateful statements – “there is no hate speech exception of the U.S. Constitution” – even if they mentions lynching, especially if the speech occurred in private.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/03/oklahoma-university-frat/
JOHN F. BANZHAF III, B.S.E.E., J.D., Sc.D.
Professor of Public Interest Law
George Washington University Law School,
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What do legal experts say about the university's decision to expel the students?
Joey Senat, an associate professor who teaches media law at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater: "I believe these students -- under Supreme Court rulings on 1st Amendment for college students -- would have the right to say the very same thing on the library lawn, so to speak. ... The speech is offensive, the speech is abhorrent, but the 1st Amendment protects unpopular speech."
Robert D. Nelon, an Oklahoma City attorney with the Hall Estill law firm who handles media law: "This is a close case. Perhaps the university has gone a little further than the Constitution would permit in expelling the students. It may be the university would be better in tune with the Constitution if they took to the public forum like President Boren did yesterday and expressed publicly their outrage and meet speech with speech rather than expelling the students."
Erwin Chemerinsky, 1st Amendment law professor and dean of the UC Irvine School of Law: "What can be punished is if it could be shown the speech was threatening to another [person]. There’s no right to engage in speech that reasonably causes another to fear for his or her safety. ... [But] it can’t be said that this speech was a threat to somebody. I find this horribly offensive, but I don’t see why this isn't speech protected under the 1st Amendment."
Joe Cohn, legislative and policy director of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a student legal advocacy group based in Philadelphia: "The school's a public university. At public universities, the 1st Amendment applies in full force. ... The Supreme Court has said repeatedly that speech, even racist speech, is protected under the 1st Amendment. They have never shied away from that. ... Just because a speech is racist doesn't remove its protection."
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I've never been one to discourage people from dropping N-bombs. I agree that we shouldn't flip out when people use "naughty words". Talking shit and disparaging people that are different from you is good fun in my book and I do it all the time.
However, I bummed out because I heard these college dickheads saying something about "stringing them up from a tree", or something like that. It was hard to understand what they were saying but to me that's taking things a bit too far. Lynching is serious shit and shouldn't be made into a punchline even if they were joking.
To each their own but that's just how I feel about it.
Why do you encourage people to use the n word? Why is it "good fun" to call a black person the n word?
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What a lack of priorities. Dirty word versus assaulting a women.
Mixon, an 18-year-old OU freshman, was charged with acts resulting in gross injury two-and-a-half months ago for his role in an early morning altercation at Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe near campus. The July 25 incident left 20-year-old Amelia Ray Molitor with four broken bones in her face.
Thursday, Mixon entered an Alford Plea, which allows him to maintain his innocence while acknowledging that enough evidence exists for a jury to find him guilty.
Mixon was given a one-year deferred sentence, 100 hours of community service and cognitive behavior counseling.
Boren released a statement Thursday saying that suspension would remain intact.
“The judicial outcome and the video speak for themselves,” Boren said. “The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life’s experiences.
“As we have previously indicated, Joe Mixon will not play for our football team during the 2014 season, including postseason competitions. He will have an opportunity to earn his way back on the team during the spring semester.”
http://newsok.com/ou-football-joe-mixon-reaches-plea-agreement-with-district-attorneys-office/article/5361807
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These kids will be punished because it was taped, but tell me at how many schools and frats and what not where a bunch of white kids bashing negroes that no one knows about that happens daily?
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What a lack of priorities. Dirty word versus assaulting a women.
Mixon, an 18-year-old OU freshman, was charged with acts resulting in gross injury two-and-a-half months ago for his role in an early morning altercation at Pickleman’s Gourmet Cafe near campus. The July 25 incident left 20-year-old Amelia Ray Molitor with four broken bones in her face.
Thursday, Mixon entered an Alford Plea, which allows him to maintain his innocence while acknowledging that enough evidence exists for a jury to find him guilty.
Mixon was given a one-year deferred sentence, 100 hours of community service and cognitive behavior counseling.
Boren released a statement Thursday saying that suspension would remain intact.
“The judicial outcome and the video speak for themselves,” Boren said. “The University is an educational institution, which always sets high standards that we hope will be upheld by our students. We hope that our students will all learn from those standards, but at the same time, we believe in second chances so that our students can learn and grow from life’s experiences.
“As we have previously indicated, Joe Mixon will not play for our football team during the 2014 season, including postseason competitions. He will have an opportunity to earn his way back on the team during the spring semester.”
http://newsok.com/ou-football-joe-mixon-reaches-plea-agreement-with-district-attorneys-office/article/5361807
Sad isn't it?
If u are a racist in America u are worse than rapists and murderers ::)
Hence the Sterling case
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Sad isn't it?
If u are a racist in America u are worse than rapists and murderers ::)
Hence the Sterling case
It's very sad. A dirty word gets you expelled but assault doesn't. I guess it all depends on who determines what constitutes a scandal. Selective outrage is a horrible thing.
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Seems to be universal agreement that the punishment in this case is unconstitutional.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/03/10/no-a-public-university-may-not-expel-students-for-racist-speech/