Univ. of Oklahoma Sooners

[Las Vegas]

And that is why a non-issue becomes national news.  It's amazing and sad to see what constitutes a scandal these days. 

People link their sense of logic with it, and it makes for mass insanity.

I honestly can't think of many things more dangerous to society than that

[El Diablo Blanco]

Heard black guys on ESPN saying the future of these kids need to suffer for this blah blah.  Then they were silent about Athletes that beat their wives and how they deserve a second chance in the NFL.  Fuck them.

[greeneyes]

You can hate people for various reasons.  Again why do you have to be punished for it?

You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you? Wouldn't you react if going in the street and someone mock you according to some of your features? It's not nice to hate on people in front of them, if you do so except a beating or a punishement which is fit better to advanced civilisation we are in.

If you declare hate on anyone, be ready to get hate back my friend.

[Kwon_2]

You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you?

He's not black, why would they sing about him??

[Archer77]

Looks like blacks have it pretty good

Highlights of CEO Study on Racial Admission Preferences at the University of Oklahoma

The study, which analyzes data obtained from the University itself, found that African Americans were admitted to all three schools with lower academic qualifications than students from other racial and ethnic groups.  There was some evidence of preferential treatment for American Indian applicants as well.

Law School
Black-white median LSAT gaps of 6 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of over 100); undergraduate GPA gap as well.
105 whites rejected despite higher LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than median black admittee.
Black-to-white odds ratio of 5.5 to 1 and American Indian-to-white odds ratio of 2.3 to 1.

If a non-African American applicant had the same credentials as the median African American admittee, he or she would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. Specifically, while an African American applicant with these credentials would have a 60% chance of admission, an identically credentialed American Indian applicant would have only a 39% chance of admission, a Hispanic applicant only 24%, a white applicant only 22%, and an Asian American applicant only a 15% chance.

Undergraduate
Black-white and black-Asian ACT gap of 4 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of 160); high-school GPA gaps as well.
Relatively small but still statistically significant black-to-white and American Indian-to-white odds ratios.

Medical School
MCAT and undergraduate GPA gaps between white and Asian admittees versus URM (“underrepresented minority” – i.e., American Indian, African American, and Hispanic) admittees.In the most recent year analyzed, 29 whites and 2 Asian American applicants rejected despite higher MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than the median URM admittee.
Odds ratios favoring URM applicants over white applicants were approximately 5 to 1.

If a white or Asian applicant had the same credentials as the average URM admittee, that applicant would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. That is, URMs would have a 72% chance of admission, compared to 34% for an Asian American and 35% for a white applicant with the same qualifications.

Performance on the U.S. Medical Licensing Exam, Step 1:  Hispanics performed at roughly the same level as whites and Asians, but African Americans performed below all other groups (that is, they were the group most likely to fail or not take the exam, and their scores were the lowest); American Indians’ performance fell between the performance of Hispanics and African Americans.

http://www.ceousa.org/affirmative-action/affirmative-action-news/employment/625-racial-discrimination-found-in-university-of-oklahoma-admissions
http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/624/Oklahoma_Study.pdf

[El Diablo Blanco]

Looks like blacks have it pretty good

Highlights of CEO Study on Racial Admission Preferences at the University of Oklahoma

The study, which analyzes data obtained from the University itself, found that African Americans were admitted to all three schools with lower academic qualifications than students from other racial and ethnic groups.  There was some evidence of preferential treatment for American Indian applicants as well.

Law School
Black-white median LSAT gaps of 6 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of over 100); undergraduate GPA gap as well.
105 whites rejected despite higher LSAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than median black admittee.
Black-to-white odds ratio of 5.5 to 1 and American Indian-to-white odds ratio of 2.3 to 1.

If a non-African American applicant had the same credentials as the median African American admittee, he or she would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. Specifically, while an African American applicant with these credentials would have a 60% chance of admission, an identically credentialed American Indian applicant would have only a 39% chance of admission, a Hispanic applicant only 24%, a white applicant only 22%, and an Asian American applicant only a 15% chance.

Undergraduate
Black-white and black-Asian ACT gap of 4 (equivalent to a combined math-verbal SAT gap of 160); high-school GPA gaps as well.
Relatively small but still statistically significant black-to-white and American Indian-to-white odds ratios.

Medical School
MCAT and undergraduate GPA gaps between white and Asian admittees versus URM (“underrepresented minority” – i.e., American Indian, African American, and Hispanic) admittees.In the most recent year analyzed, 29 whites and 2 Asian American applicants rejected despite higher MCAT scores and undergraduate GPAs than the median URM admittee.
Odds ratios favoring URM applicants over white applicants were approximately 5 to 1.

If a white or Asian applicant had the same credentials as the average URM admittee, that applicant would have had a significantly smaller chance of admission. That is, URMs would have a 72% chance of admission, compared to 34% for an Asian American and 35% for a white applicant with the same qualifications.

Performance on the U.S. Medical Licensing Exam, Step 1:  Hispanics performed at roughly the same level as whites and Asians, but African Americans performed below all other groups (that is, they were the group most likely to fail or not take the exam, and their scores were the lowest); American Indians’ performance fell between the performance of Hispanics and African Americans.

http://www.ceousa.org/affirmative-action/affirmative-action-news/employment/625-racial-discrimination-found-in-university-of-oklahoma-admissions
http://www.ceousa.org/attachments/article/624/Oklahoma_Study.pdf

This is not new. Harvard, UCLA, Berkley etc... are rejecting Asians with higher grades because if they only admitted those with the best grades their schools would be 90-% chinese.  They want diversity and work it that way.

[Archer77]

This is not new. Harvard, UCLA, Berkley etc... are rejecting Asians with higher grades because if they only admitted those with the best grades their schools would be 90-% chinese.  They want diversity and work it that way.

Cal Tech is a good example.  Cal Tech is totally merit based and 47% of the students are Asian.  Anytime someone tells you that blacks have to work twice as hard laugh in their face.

[El Diablo Blanco]

You have to be punished for it because those PEOPLE contribute to law and add unwanted behaviours toward them and what they see innapropriate in their regards. Would you like to be on a bus and all of the people in the bus sing something bad about you? Wouldn't you react if going in the street and someone mock you according to some of your features? It's not nice to hate on people in front of them, if you do so except a beating or a punishement which is fit better to advanced civilisation we are in.

If you declare hate on anyone, be ready to get hate back my friend.

No.  I can be at a black club and I guarantee you if they started calling me white racial names that the law wouldn't care.  A bunch of blondes can yell at me that they hate guys with black hair and make fun of me.  That's fair.

[Pray_4_War]

I'll defend their right to say what they want to say but these guys are morons.   They just disgraced their school and themselves.....and for what?

 

[Bevo]

Cal Tech is a good example.  Cal Tech is totally merit based and 47% of the students are Asian.  Anytime someone tells you that blacks have to work twice as hard laugh in their face.

Funny blacks brag about physical prowess and say they are superior athletes than whites but when whites say they are superior to them in intellect and more well rounded they get pissed 

So which is it fellow Hebrews?

[Pray_4_War]

Funny blacks brag about physical prowess and say they are superior athletes than whites but when whites say they are superior to them in intellect and more well rounded they get pissed 

So which is it fellow Hebrews?

Excellent point.

Black often say they are against stereotypes.  In reality they are only against stereotypes that paint them in a negative light.  They have no problem talking about how black guys have huge dongs and are great dancers, etc.

There is a reason that stereotypes exist.  They often have a strong basis in fact.  While you can't paint every person with a large brush you also shouldn't try to deny reality.

[mr.turbo]

oh brother settle down fellas 

[Archer77]

oh brother settle down fellas  

You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.

[mr.turbo]

You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.

I've already done that.

let me know when you're done playing around with your stats

I'll be happy to examine those before you get too carried away with the hee haw hoedown.

 

[Archer77]

I've already done that.

let me know when you're done playing around with your stats

I'll be happy to examine those before you get too carried away with the hee haw hoedown.

 

Kore?  Is that you, pizza face?. You didn't bother looking at any of stats I've ever posted.  Have you done any research yourself?  I doubt it. You're the type who takes everything at face value if it fits narrative you've chosen.

[mr.turbo]

Kore?  Is that you, pizza face?. You didn't bother looking at any of stats I've ever posted.  Have you done any research yourself?  I doubt it. You're the type who takes everything at face value if it fits narrative you've chosen.

I do and I appreciate the effort.  I think you're pretty serious but the interpretations are sometimes quite perplexing. I don't have a kind way to describe this phenomenon.

[Archer77]

I do and I appreciate the effort.  I think you're pretty serious but the interpretations are sometimes quite perplexing. I don't have a kind way to describe this phenomenon.

The interpretations are not my own but those of the groups who compiled the statistics.   Is this you, Kore?  

[mr.turbo]

The interpretations are not my own but those of the groups who compiled the statistics.   Is this you, Kore?   

whoever generated the material doesn't really matter. The same conclusions apply. I don't know who Kore is either.

[Archer77]

whoever generated the material doesn't really matter. The same conclusions apply. I don't know who Kore is either.

This is kore

[Archer77]

The problem is that you don't even bother looking at the details of the Ferguson report and take it at face value. You see what you want to see.

[Pray_4_War]

You might want to save your criticism for the individuals losing their minds over a word.

I've never been one to discourage people from dropping N-bombs.  I agree that we shouldn't flip out when people use "naughty words".  Talking shit and disparaging people that are different from you is good fun in my book and I do it all the time. 

However, I bummed out because I heard these college dickheads saying something about "stringing them up from a tree", or something like that.  It was hard to understand what they were saying but to me that's taking things a bit too far.  Lynching is serious shit and shouldn't be made into a punchline even if they were joking.

To each their own but that's just how I feel about it.

[mr.turbo]

[R]acist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech. That has been the unanimous view of courts that have considered campus speech codes and other campus speech restrictions — see here for some citations. The same, of course, is true for fraternity speech, racist or otherwise; see Iota Xi Chapter of Sigma Chi Fraternity v. George Mason University (4th Cir. 1993). (I set aside the separate question of student speech that is evaluated as part of coursework or class participation, which necessarily must be evaluated based on its content; this speech clearly doesn't qualify.)

http://www.christianpost.com/news/congratulations-university-of-oklahoma-in-your-outrage-you-just-violated-the-law-135486/

 

[mr.turbo]

Oklahoma University President Himself Can Be Sued Over SAE Punishments

Oklahoma University: Violation of rights to Free Speech
There are many legal grounds upon which law suits, some seeking not only damages but also payment of attorney fees, could be brought. These include violation of rights to Free Speech under the U.S. Constitution, violation of their rights to Due Process also guaranteed by the Constitution, violation of the procedural protections guaranteed by the university’s own “Student Rights and Responsibilities Code,” and legal action under any local laws protecting people from summary evictions for their places of dwelling.

Virtually all legal authorities who have spoken out agree that a state school cannot expel students for even racist or hateful statements – “there is no hate speech exception of the U.S. Constitution” – even if they mentions lynching, especially if the speech occurred in private.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/03/oklahoma-university-frat/

JOHN F. BANZHAF III, B.S.E.E., J.D., Sc.D.
Professor of Public Interest Law
George Washington University Law School,

 

[polychronopolous]

What do legal experts say about the university's decision to expel the students?


Joey Senat, an associate professor who teaches media law at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater: "I believe these students -- under Supreme Court rulings on 1st Amendment for college students -- would have the right to say the very same thing on the library lawn, so to speak. ... The speech is offensive, the speech is abhorrent, but the 1st Amendment protects unpopular speech."

Robert D. Nelon, an Oklahoma City attorney with the Hall Estill law firm who handles media law: "This is a close case. Perhaps the university has gone a little further than the Constitution would permit in expelling the students. It may be the university would be better in tune with the Constitution if they took to the public forum like President Boren did yesterday and expressed publicly their outrage and meet speech with speech rather than expelling the students."

Erwin Chemerinsky, 1st Amendment law professor and dean of the UC Irvine School of Law: "What can be punished is if it could be shown the speech was threatening to another [person]. There’s no right to engage in speech that reasonably causes another to fear for his or her safety. ... [But] it can’t be said that this speech was a threat to somebody. I find this horribly offensive, but I don’t see why this isn't speech protected under the 1st Amendment."

Joe Cohn, legislative and policy director of the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, a student legal advocacy group based in Philadelphia: "The school's a public university. At public universities, the 1st Amendment applies in full force. ... The Supreme Court has said repeatedly that speech, even racist speech, is protected under the 1st Amendment. They have never shied away from that. ... Just because a speech is racist doesn't remove its protection."

[LittleJ]

I've never been one to discourage people from dropping N-bombs.  I agree that we shouldn't flip out when people use "naughty words".  Talking shit and disparaging people that are different from you is good fun in my book and I do it all the time.  

However, I bummed out because I heard these college dickheads saying something about "stringing them up from a tree", or something like that.  It was hard to understand what they were saying but to me that's taking things a bit too far.  Lynching is serious shit and shouldn't be made into a punchline even if they were joking.

To each their own but that's just how I feel about it.

Why do you encourage people to use the n word? Why is it "good fun" to call a black person the n word?