Univ. of Oklahoma Sooners

[calfzilla]

Of course.  You're free to say almost anything.  But that speech comes with consequences.  Getting kicked out was a consequence for their speech.

Not at a publicly funded state University. 

At a private college then yes of course.

[greeneyes]

Je suis Hebrew

[SF1900]

Not at a publicly funded state University.  

At a private college then yes of course.

Even publicly funded state universities have policies that students must abide by. Youre not free to do anything you want just because its a state school.

I am not referring to this particular instance, but in general, state funded schools due have policies that students must abide by.

[SF1900]

There is a difference between a "right" and a "practice".  The former is justified legally the other latter is subject to legal judgement. We can observe institutional behavior and catalogue it till the cows come home but that doesn't make it anything special.

Well, we shall see if the students bring lawsuits against the university.

[calfzilla]

Even publicly funded state universities have policies that students must abide by. Youre not free to do anything you want just because its a state school.

I am not referring to this particular instance, but in general, state funded schools due have policies that students must abide by.

You are correct sir. Public universities do have rules and policies and one cannot do anything they please. However free speech is one thing they can do and not get expelled over.

[SF1900]

You are correct sir. Public universities do have rules and policies and one cannot do anything they please. However free speech is one thing they can do and not get expelled over.

What about hazing? Public universities have banned hazing, which limits free speech.

[calfzilla]

What about hazing? Public universities have banned hazing, which limits free speech.

lol @ this being hazing   

[Bevo]

Stupid white people need to get it together, giving these fuckers more fuel to feed on 

[SF1900]

lol @ this being hazing   

I am not saying this is hazing. I am saying that public universities have set limits on peoples speech (hazing).  Your contention was that a public university cannot expel someone over free speech, however, students may get expelled if they are engaging in hazing, which limits free speech.

[calfzilla]

I am not saying this is hazing. I am saying that public universities have set limits on peoples speech (hazing).  Your contention was that a public university cannot expel someone over free speech, however, students may get expelled if they are engaging in hazing, which limits free speech.

Yes threats, harassment, hazing etc is not protected. As we learned in high school government class yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. Singing a song about Hebrews in private is.

I seriously I didn't even watch the video or read the article so I'm kinda just trolling anyway. 

[SF1900]

Yes threats, harassment, hazing etc is not protected. As we learned in high school government class yelling fire in a crowded theater is not protected speech. Singing a song about Hebrews in private is.

I seriously I didn't even watch the video or read the article so I'm kinda just trolling anyway. 

Hazing is not always threats and harassment. For example, some sororities will tell potential sorority candidate that they are fat,  etc as part of the hazing ritual. Should it be  against school policy to call another student fat? 

[Bevo]

I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?

[BB]

I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?

They'd just have to apologize, which is what they should allow these kids to do. I don't get how expelling them solves anything, it's just more feel good bullshit. If anything, allowing them to apologize seems like an opportunity to turn this into a teaching moment, and actually have an open discussion on things.

[calfzilla]

Hazing is not always threats and harassment. For example, some sororities will tell potential sorority candidate that they are fat,  etc as part of the hazing ritual. Should it be  against school policy to call another student fat? 

Maybe some punishment but not expulsion. No way.

[LittleJ]

Haha good job president. Get the fuck out! Fucking thug as animals

[greeneyes]

I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?

Hebrews doesn't sing racist songs. It never happened so do not wonder what would happened.

[Bevo]

Haha good job president. Get the fuck out! Fucking thug as animals

I'm sure there was a lot of racism down in hill billy alabama

Wasn't there a frat or a sorority that only recruited whites only and made it clear no blacks were allowed?

[LittleJ]

I'm sure there was a lot of racism down in hill billy alabama

Wasn't there a frat or a sorority that only recruited whites only and made it clear no blacks were allowed?

Yes, but you'd expect that at Alabama.

[Tapeworm]

If they're going to hold the whole fraternity chapter responsible for the behavior of a few individuals then isn't it necessary to call the entire fraternity system into question?  And if the fraternity system as a whole is to blame then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general?

[El Diablo Blanco]

Why are people forced to like each other?  Seriously?  Why do certain whites have to like blacks?  Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like?  if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue.  Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?

[greeneyes]

Why are people forced to like each other?  Seriously?  Why do certain whites have to like blacks?  Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like?  if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue.  Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?

Because courts are so full and they don't want it to be fuller by hate crimes? Because it's good to like other people not depending on their colors?

[Archer77]

Why are people forced to like each other?  Seriously?  Why do certain whites have to like blacks?  Why does the government have to dictate who you like and don't like?  if a group of whites hate blacks then that's their issue.  Why do they have to be punished for how they feel?

Utopian fantasies

[El Diablo Blanco]

Because courts are so full and they don't want it to be fuller by hate crimes? Because it's good to like other people not depending on their colors?

You can hate people for various reasons.  Again why do you have to be punished for it?

[Las Vegas]

I seriously wonder if it was a bus full of Hebrews singing racist songs about whites what would happen? Would it still get the same exposure? Punishment?

That's the danger of having a media like ours...very small number of people deciding what information gets put out for mass viewing

Hard to imagine anything more dangerous than that

[Archer77]

That's the danger of having a media like ours...very small number of people deciding what information gets put out for mass viewing

Hard to imagine anything more dangerous than that

And that is why a non-issue becomes national news.  It's amazing and sad to see what constitutes a scandal these days.