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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: io856 on March 14, 2015, 07:40:24 AM
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I see they spared no expense.
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Hahahahahahahaha.
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Hahahahahahahaha.
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What a fucking joke. Nice presentation
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What a fucking joke. Nice presentation
I actually think they're somewhat serious about this issue but here's the problem. What they're actually saying is, "We need to lessen the doping in bodybuilding". They don't really mean eliminate it in their heart of hearts. What Arnold probably says in a private conversation is: 1) The guts look ugly 2) the bodybuilders are getting themselves in trouble and having health problems 3) these guys aren't good role models any more and our image is suffering.
The problem is that it has to be YES or NO to really go anywhere. How do you manage anything in between. Might as well just leave it a YES and let bodybuilding and its fans decide this on their own.
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I guess nobody got the memo...
What dear lord, imagine being the presenter and just knowing nobody is gonna show up, lol!
I guess they did their part...
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Thing is.... It was the streamlined late 80's and 90's that were actually dying, freezing on stage, collapsing back stage etc.... The new glazed donut look doesn't seem to kill them at once anymore
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I see they spared no expense.
;D ;D ;D
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Thing is.... It was the streamlined late 80's and 90's that were actually dying, freezing on stage, collapsing back stage etc.... The new glazed donut look doesn't seem to kill them at once anymore
But still not sure how healthy they are, lol... The massive slin doses to get that look?
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Someone once said something along the lines of old men care about where/how they built their wealth/earned their money.
Just like Ben and Joe lobbied to get bodybuilding accepted as an Olympic "sport" (thus in theory making their wealth look legitimate instead of being earned via socially unaccepted pastime) it appears Arnold is having a hard time accepting that bb has only regressed since its cultural peak of the 80s, despite the culture being health and fitness minded.
Today you can find gyms all across America, no mater how small the town, this wasn't the case in Arnolds era, yet despite this bodybuilding is akin to beauty patents for little girls, a completely niche lifestyle, while mens physique and woman's figure/bikini is growing exponentially.
It seems Arnold wants to preserve bodybuilding and he feels its only hope is for it to go back towards his era, which was considered a sideshow during his time.
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Someone once said something along the lines of old men care about where/how they built their wealth/earned their money.
Just like Ben and Joe lobbied to get bodybuilding accepted as an Olympic "sport" (thus in theory making their wealth look legitimate instead of being earned via socially unaccepted pastime) it appears Arnold is having a hard time accepting that bb has only regressed since its cultural peak of the 80s, despite the culture being health and fitness minded.
Today you can find gyms all across America, no mater how small the town, this wasn't the case in Arnolds era, yet despite this bodybuilding is akin to beauty patents for little girls, a completely niche lifestyle, while mens physique and woman's figure/bikini is growing exponentially.
It seems Arnold wants to preserve bodybuilding and he feels its only hope is for it to go back towards his era, which was considered a sideshow during his time.
Excellent points, Spot on
Interesting how yes bodybuilding is still such a niche activity despite the explosion of gyms everywhere.
Figure competition for women is booming nonetheless...
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Natural bodybuilding/crosffit are exploding. And natural guys on low smart doses of steroids too.
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Natural bodybuilding/crosffit are exploding. And natural guys on low smart doses of steroids too.
Curiosity question: How intense a cycle is today's NPC or IFBB PHYSIQUE competitor on compared to today's NPC or IFBB BODYBUILDING competitor? One quarter, one third as intense? One half to two thirds as intense? I assume some of you guys have competed in both since there has been a shift recently from bodybuilding to physique. You would have experience with this question. If much less, then the "lessening" (rather than full elimination) is kind of working I guess.
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& the best of all, nobody mentioned MISS Canada '70 :D
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Haha are those solo cups in the bottom pic for samples of the fart powder
The guy closest to the camera appears to be asleep
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This is classical 'bees against honey' action. Just like 'rock against drugs' in 60-80's.
Would like to know why do they even bother.
It must be traditional demonstration for the people outside bodybuilding that it is actually a sport and IFBB disapproves doping usage. Just in case.
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Excellent points, Spot on
Interesting how yes bodybuilding is still such a niche activity despite the explosion of gyms everywhere.
Figure competition for women is booming nonetheless...
It literally baffles my mind. I thought bodybuilding got a bad rap because it contained so many arrogant d bags (who weren't anyone anyhow) but the same "type" of guy is doing men's physique, and people love it (I'm not saying they're all d bags but those stereotypes have stuck with builders, even though most are some of the nicest most helpful guys ever when it comes to life style info).
I know just as many dudes that talk about/compete in men's physique competitions as I do that follow/compete in bb. I still don't even understand what exactly men's physique is.
Bodybuilding did itself in by going to extremes. When Arnold ripped Dorian for having to much mass during his Mr. O run everyone saw it as sour grapes and Arnold being stuck in the past and not being able to come to grips with the natural progress of the sport, which maybe somewhat valid. However, once again, Arnold was ahead of the curve and saw this train wreck coming from miles away. More guys want to look like that druggie Zzyzes (however it's spelled) then any other druggie in the ifbb. ..... That should speak volumes, and I think that's why the board shorts comp is so popular.
Don't even get me started on the bikini/figure chick's at the gym. I know a handful of them, they don't talk with one another, compete in the same shows let alone support each other. They're all mid 20s, in relationships or married to dudes that don't do any sort of training. It's strange (although this could be exclusive to my gym but it's still weird).
Meltdown
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Natural bodybuilding/crosffit are exploding. And natural guys on low smart doses of steroids too.
This
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That's not a meeting, that's a summit.
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Excellent points, Spot on
Interesting how yes bodybuilding is still such a niche activity despite the explosion of gyms everywhere.
Figure competition for women is booming nonetheless...
In a lot of areas the fitness trend has changed. You see more classes (large group training) being offered and people have been brainwashed into what "fitness" is supposed to be. Everything is about "weight loss" not so much fat loss. Most want to see the scale instead of looking on the mirror. They don't care if they're skinny fat as long as the scale shows they've lost "weight". They don't care about muscles or gaining them.
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When Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, George Eiferman and John Grimek were Mr America in the 1940s bodybuilders were accused of being muscle bound, vain and maybe gay.
The mirror athlete criticism continued because ordinary people needed an excuse to dismiss these guys who made all other males look bad. Fast forward to now and what
do we find? The public has finally got a real excuse to dismiss professional bodybuilding. Drugs. How can Arnold, a former governor, hold events where the bodybuilders are
not tested for banned substances?
Raphael, Manion and Graham all allow the drugs because they fear the pros would go elsewhere to compete. The future is a nightmare no matter what they do. The public
know musclemen take steroids. Goodness me, as if that is all they take. So they can state that the mirror athletes are fake. Surely they must also be stupid to want to
look like that and have to take all those dangerous drugs!
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I would disagree that the public "knows" these bodybuilders are juicing. Most people are pretty ignorant to the true facts when things like "drug tested" are framed around these events
I bet most people,thing the VAST majority of olympic athletes are clean because of the IOC's stance on drugs and the advertising they do to promote a clean olympics.
Most people believe what they're told
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Raphael, Manion and Graham all allow the drugs because they fear the pros would go elsewhere to compete.
Like with yours fucked up UBBA , ;D ;D ;D
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Was this presentation about PEDs in the pro IFBB or the amateur? Santonja is the president of IFBB amateur, which is a different corporation than IFBB pro, which Manion owns.
Either way it doesn't make sense. The whole purpose of the Arnold Amateurs US/EU/BR/AU is that they don't even pretend that they're drug tested like the IFBB Worlds, regionals, and nationals.
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I actually think they're somewhat serious about this issue but here's the problem. What they're actually saying is, "We need to lessen the doping in bodybuilding". They don't really mean eliminate it in their heart of hearts. What Arnold probably says in a private conversation is: 1) The guts look ugly 2) the bodybuilders are getting themselves in trouble and having health problems 3) these guys aren't good role models any more and our image is suffering.
The problem is that it has to be YES or NO to really go anywhere. How do you manage anything in between. Might as well just leave it a YES and let bodybuilding and its fans decide this on their own.
Didn't Arnold have heart surgery at a fairly young age?? ::)
Taking any PEDs = mental illness, every last one of them is terrible for your health and you lose everything and more when you finally come off. Once you start injecting large doses of testosterone way beyond what a doctor would ever give then you lose a part of yourself which can never be reclaimed.
My guess is that this stunt anti-doping meeting was done because in Australia like Sweden there is a heavier negative focus on PEDs. I doubt they would have bothered with this presentation if the contest was in Mexico or the Middle East.
P.S to the previous poster Vince, Steve. R took the juice and his body was well beyond the natural limits. Eugene Sandow is the only well known 100% sure example we have of what is attainable truly natural.
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I actually think they're somewhat serious about this issue but here's the problem. What they're actually saying is, "We need to lessen the doping in bodybuilding". They don't really mean eliminate it in their heart of hearts. What Arnold probably says in a private conversation is: 1) The guts look ugly 2) the bodybuilders are getting themselves in trouble and having health problems 3) these guys aren't good role models any more and our image is suffering.
The problem is that it has to be YES or NO to really go anywhere. How do you manage anything in between. Might as well just leave it a YES and let bodybuilding and its fans decide this on their own.
I agree with your post.
It would be nice if the IFBB could decide based on what's best for bodybuilding.
However, the LEGAL situation on steroid drugs, trumps any personal opinion within official circles.
Not sure what the answer is???
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However, the LEGAL situation on steroid drugs, trumps any personal opinion within official circles.
Most PEDs, including anabolic steroids, are perfectly legal in most parts of the world. If you can't get them over the counter, then you certainly can get them from a doctor. Only in the US is it illegal for a doctor to prescribe performance enhancing drugs for cosmetic or sports performance enhancement.
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what a JOKE
IFBB doesn't do any drug testing of any its events
did they drug test the ppl who attended the ASC? they shld have- 99 % would have been on steroids
Paul Graham is the biggest joke in Australian BB for 40 years
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what a JOKE
IFBB doesn't do any drug testing of any its events
did they drug test the ppl who attended the ASC? they shld have- 99 % would have been on steroids
Paul Graham is the biggest joke in Australian BB for 40 years
Simply: if U don't like Ifbb & Ifbb Pro go for Inba,Nabba,Wff,........................6 or 7 BB organizations in AU ;)
Yeah right, ::) Mr.Vince 2
Losers like Vince always blame others for theirs shitty BB life.
Ask Vince WHO or WHAT was stopping him (or others) from competing at Nabba Mr.Universe in '70's or WBBG/Wabba Mr.Worlds :D
Suggestion: read Tony's gym biography ;)