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Origins of the name "Easter":
The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE), a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime.
An alternative explanation has been suggested. The name given by the Frankish church to Jesus' resurrection festival included the Latin word "alba" which means "white." (This was a reference to the white robes that were worn during the festival.) "Alba" also has a second meaning: "sunrise." When the name of the festival was translated into German, the "sunrise" meaning was selected in error. This became "ostern" in German. Ostern has been proposed as the origin of the word "Easter". 2
There are two popular beliefs about the origin of the English word "Sunday."
1. It is derived from the name of the Scandinavian sun Goddess Sunna (a.k.a. Sunne, Frau Sonne). 5,6
2. It is derived from "Sol," the Roman God of the Sun." Their phrase "Dies Solis" means "day of the Sun." The Christian saint Jerome (d. 420 CE) commented:
"If it is called the day of the sun by the pagans, we willingly accept this name, for on this day the Light of the world arose, on this day the Sun of Justice shone forth." 7
Pagan origins of Easter:
Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a consort, Attis, who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. Attis was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25.
Gerald L. Berry, author of "Religions of the World," wrote:
"About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill ...Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection." 3
Wherever Christian worship of Jesus and Pagan worship of Attis were active in the same geographical area in ancient times, Christians:
"... used to celebrate the death and resurrection of Jesus on the same date; and pagans and Christians used to quarrel bitterly about which of their gods was the true prototype and which the imitation."
Many religious historians and liberal theologians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. Others suggest that many of the events in Jesus' life that were recorded in the gospels were lifted from the life of Krishna, the second person of the Hindu Trinity, or were taken from the life of Horus, an Egyptian god. Ancient Christians had an alternative explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit deities in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. 4 Modern-day Christians generally regard the Attis and Horus legends as being a Pagan myths of little value with no connection to Jesus. They regard Jesus' death and resurrection account as being true, and unrelated to the earlier tradition.
Wiccans and other modern-day Neopagans continue to celebrate the Spring Equinox as one of their 8 yearly Sabbats (holy days of celebration). Near the Mediterranean, this is a time of sprouting of the summer's crop; farther north, it is the time for seeding. Their rituals at the Spring Equinox are related primarily to the fertility of the crops and to the balance of the day and night times. In those places where Wiccans can safely celebrate the Sabbat out of doors without threat of religious persecution, they often incorporate a bonfire into their rituals, jumping over the dying embers is believed to assure fertility of people and crops.
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Regardless of what you believe, have a happy and healthy Easter with your loved ones. Shaun
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Excellent cut and paste job. Have a Cadbury.
Easter has shit to do with the Bible and any moron that believes otherwise can step up to the plate to get smacked down. It's not in the Bible along with other pagan holidays.
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Excellent cut and paste job. Have a Cadbury.
Easter has shit to do with the Bible and any moron that believes otherwise can step up to the plate to get smacked down. It's not in the Bible along with other pagan holidays.
The only time you can get a chocolate bunny, is on Easter. :-*
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The only time you can get a chocolate bunny, is on Easter. :-*
I'll give you a chocolate bunny any day of the year stud. 100% homo.
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Excellent cut and paste job. Have a Cadbury.
Easter has shit to do with the Bible and any moron that believes otherwise can step up to the plate to get smacked down. It's not in the Bible along with other pagan holidays.
Wiggs, this is my brief synopsis of my entire view of Christianity as a whole.
It was a religion that borrowed upon the already established beliefs and traditions of the day.
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I'll give you a chocolate bunny any day of the year stud. 100% homo.
I like them solid, not that cheap hollow shit.
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I like them solid, not that cheap hollow shit.
Put it in your mouth and wait for the magic to happen.
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Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a consort, Attis, who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. Attis was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25.
This type of information has always made the most sense to me. Gods and goddesses were already pulling a Jesus before Jesus did.
Born of a virgin? Check.
Died and resurrected? Check.
So why are we to take the story of Jesus as "gospel", when ancient cultures had similar stories?
Let me guess, the devil planted those seeds purposely to send man astray from the lord...... ::)
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Put it in your mouth and wait for the magic to happen.
As long as it tastes like a cream egg......I'll just keep my eyes closed.
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I didn't get any chocolate eggs/ bunnies. It's a terrible feeling afterwards eating all that chocolate. I am making a pavlova for a family lunch tomorrow.
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How did easter evolve from a religious holiday, to bunnies and chocolate eggs anyway?
I wonder how far back the tradition of painting eggs go? Probably an ancient custom.
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(http://www.amusingtime.com/images/019/funny-easter-eggs-meme.jpg)
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WTF!!! Author must be a Getbigger.
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A John Harrigan N.Y. Times best seller under a pseudonym.
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Being a fact that Easter is pagan all Christian churches should stop celebrating it. This is one reason I stopped going to Church. What will they teach me if they knowingly practice false worship. This is a reason for unbelievers not to take some religions seriously.
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Being a fact that Easter is pagan all Christian churches should stop celebrating it. This is one reason I stopped going to Church. What will they teach me if they knowingly practice false worship. This is a reason for unbelievers not to take some religions seriously.
Might want to add Christmas and Halloween as well then.
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Might want to add Christmas and Halloween as well then.
Bingo. Like I've been saying...for years.
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Yes every holiday is pagan. Check out this site.
ChristmasIsALie.com
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Bingo. Like I've been saying...for years.
Cocoa face spittin da truth on chocolate bunny day.
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Man of Steel soaking his Peeps in tears as we speak.
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Excellent cut and paste job. Have a Cadbury.
Easter has shit to do with the Bible and any moron that believes otherwise can step up to the plate to get smacked down. It's not in the Bible along with other pagan holidays.
Got a mind shocker for you buddy, loads of Christian beliefs and practices are not written down in the bible.
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People fight it because these have been our traditions, including me. I no longer celebrate these "holidays". My father and stepmother do. They also get pissed when I point it out. My aunts, uncles and agree with me but celebrate anyway because it's been apart of out culture. The Bible warns about vein traditions. Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Thank the Roman Catholic Church for this. The Roman Catholic Church also changed the Sabbath. Everyone that follows the Bible should be attending Church Saturday Not Sunday. One of the Commandments, Remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy. The last day of the week is Saturday not Sunday see a calendar for reference. The new day starts in the evening thus, the Sabbath begins Fri night sundown and ends Saturday night sundown. There are holidays we (Hebrews) are supposed to celebrate, Passover, Feast of Tabernacles and others (Not the same ones the fake Jews celebrate) in fact, here are the Holidays that the Hebrews aka descendants of Translatlantic and slave trade of Hebrews to Arabs countries are to celebrates. People of Heathen (Foreign) Nations, that are believers are to follow as well. This is in accordance with the Bible not man made traditions of any religion...At the beginning is a break down of the days of the week and the order, months of the year and the order (according the Bible the 1st of the year used to be what is now March 14th. beginning of the Spring was the beginning of the year. Marks rebirth, makes sense. It of course was changed at some point in time, different subject. Then there's the list of the Holidays and finally I'm going to show you what the people that call themselves Jewish celebrate vs. the Bible.
Purim Passover FirstFruits Blowing Of Trumpets Day Of Atonement Feast Of Tabernacles Feast Of Dedication Hebrew Calendar 2015
Days of the Week (beginning sundown):
• Sunday Day 1
• Monday Day 2
• Tuesday Day 3
• Wednesday Day 4
• Thursday Day 5
• Friday Day 6
• Saturday Day 7 (Sabbath)
Months of the Year: 2015 (BEGINNING SUNDOWN OF GIVEN DATE)
• Month 1 (30 days): Mar 14 (1st New Month/Spring – Holy Day and first day of New Year) (i.e.Sundown 14th to Sundown 15th)
• Month 2 (30 days): Apr 13
• Month 3 (31 days): May 13
• Month 4 (30 days): Jun 13 (2nd New Month/Summer – Holy Day) (i.e. Sundown 13th to Sundown 14th)
• Month 5 (30 days): Jul 13
• Month 6 (31 days): Aug 12
• Month 7 (30 days): Sept 12 (3rd New Month/Fall – Holy Day) (i.e. Sundown 12th to Sundown 13th)
• Month 8 (30 days): Oct 12
• Month 9 (31 days): Nov 11
• Month 10 (30 days): Dec 12 (4th New Month/Winter- Holy Day) (i.e. Sundown 12th to Sundown 13th)
• Month 11 (30 days): Jan 11
• Month 12 (31 days): Feb 10
Holy Days of the Year :2015 (BEGINNING SUNDOWN OF GIVEN DATE) These are the Holidays of the Bible for Hebrews and others
• February 24 -February 26: Purim (Esther 9:13-32) (i.e. Sundown 24th to Sundown 25th; Sundown 25th to Sundown 26th)
• March 14: New Month Holy Day for Spring (Jubilees 6:22-38) (i.e. Sundown 14th to Sundown 15th)
• March 28: Passover (Leviticus 23:5) (i.e. Sundown 28th to Sundown 29th)
• March 28-April 3: Feast of unleavened bread (Leviticus 23: 9-14) (i.e. Sundown 28th to Sundown 29th) – (Sundown 3rd to Sundown 4th)
• May 16: First fruits/Feast of Weeks (Leviticus 23:15) (i.e. Sundown 16th to Sundown 17th)
• June 13: New Month Holy Day for Summer (Jubilees 6:22-38) (i.e. Sundown 13th to Sundown 14th)
• September 12: New Month Holy Day for Fall (Jubilees 6:22-38)(i.e. Sundown 12th to Sundown 13th)
• September 12: Blowing of Trumpets (Leviticus 23:23-25)(i.e. Sundown 12th to Sundown 13th)
• September 21: Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:26-32)(i.e. Sundown 21st to Sundown 22nd)
• September 26-October 3 : First & Last date are Sabbaths: Feast of Tabernacles (Leviticus 23:33-44)(i.e. Sundown 26th to 27th is First Day ; Sundown 3rd to 4th is Last Day)
• December 12: New Month Holy Day for Winter (Jubilees 6:22-38)(i.e. Sundown 12th to Sundown 13th)
• December 5 -12: Feast of Dedication (John 10:22, 1 Macc 4th chp) (i.e. Sundown 5th to Sundown 6th is First Day; Sundown 12th to 13th is Last Day)
These are Holidays for Jewish people
Major holidays
Dates in bold are yom tov, so they have similar obligations and restrictions to Shabbat in the sense that normal "work" is forbidden.
Holiday Dates Description
Rosh Hashana Sep 25-26, 2014 The Jewish New Year
Yom Kippur Oct 4, 2014 Day of Atonement
Sukkot Oct 9-10, 2014
Oct 11-15, 2014 Feast of Tabernacles
Shmini Atzeret Oct 16, 2014 Eighth Day of Assembly
Simchat Torah Oct 17, 2014 Day of Celebrating the Torah
Chanukah Dec 17-24, 2014 The Jewish festival of rededication, also known as the Festival of Lights
Purim Mar 5, 2015 Purim is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar
Pesach Apr 4-5, 2015
Apr 6-9, 2015
Apr 10-11, 2015 Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread
Shavuot May 24-25, 2015 Festival of Weeks, commemorates the giving of the Torah at Mount Sinai
Tish'a B'Av Jul 26, 2015 The Ninth of Av, fast commemorating the destruction of the two Temples
Minor holidays
Holiday Dates Description
Tu BiShvat Feb 4, 2015 New Year for Trees
Purim Katan Minor Purim celebration during Adar I on leap years
Shushan Purim Mar 6, 2015 Purim celebrated in Jerusalem and walled cities
Days of the Omer 7 weeks from the second night of Pesach to the day before Shavuot
Pesach Sheni May 3, 2015 Second Passover, one month after Passover
Lag B'Omer May 7, 2015 33rd day of counting the Omer
Leil Selichot Sep 5, 2015 Prayers for forgiveness in preparation for the High Holidays
Minor fasts
Holiday Dates Description
Tzom Gedaliah Sep 28, 2014 Fast of the Seventh Month, commemorates the assassination of the Jewish governor of Judah
Asara B'Tevet Jan 1, 2015 Fast commemorating the siege of Jerusalem
Ta'anit Esther Mar 4, 2015 Fast of Esther
Ta'anit Bechorot Apr 3, 2015 Fast of the First Born
Tzom Tammuz Jul 5, 2015 Fast commemorating breaching of the walls of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar
Modern holidays
Holiday Dates Description
Yom HaShoah Apr 16, 2015 Holocaust Memorial Day
Yom HaZikaron Apr 22, 2015 Israeli Memorial Day
Yom HaAtzma'ut Apr 23, 2015 Israeli Independence Day
Yom Yerushalayim May 17, 2015 Jerusalem Day
Special Shabbatot
Holiday Dates Description
Shabbat Shuva Sep 27, 2014 Shabbat that falls between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur (Shabbat of Returning)
Shabbat Shekalim Feb 14, 2015 Shabbat before Rosh Chodesh Adar
Shabbat Zachor Feb 28, 2015 Shabbat before Purim
Shabbat Parah Mar 14, 2015 Shabbat of the Red Heifer
Shabbat HaChodesh Mar 21, 2015 Shabbat before Rosh Chodesh Nissan
Shabbat HaGadol Mar 28, 2015 Shabbat before Pesach
Shabbat Chazon Jul 25, 2015 Shabbat before Tish'a B'Av (Shabbat of Prophecy/Shabbat of Vision)
Shabbat Nachamu Aug 1, 2015 Shabbat after Tish'a B'Av (Shabbat of Consolation)
Shabbat Rosh Chodesh When Shabbat falls on Rosh Chodesh
Shabbat Machar Chodesh When Shabbat falls the day before Rosh Chodesh
Rosh Chodesh
Holiday Dates Description
Rosh Chodesh Cheshvan Oct 24, 2014 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Cheshvan
Rosh Chodesh Kislev Nov 23, 2014 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Kislev
Rosh Chodesh Tevet Dec 22, 2014 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Tevet
Rosh Chodesh Sh'vat Jan 21, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Sh'vat
Rosh Chodesh Adar Feb 19, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Adar
Rosh Chodesh Adar II Beginning of new Hebrew month of Adar II (on leap years)
Rosh Chodesh Nisan Mar 21, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Nisan
Rosh Chodesh Iyyar Apr 19, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Iyyar
Rosh Chodesh Sivan May 19, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Sivan
Rosh Chodesh Tamuz Jun 17, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Tamuz
Rosh Chodesh Av Jul 17, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Av
Rosh Chodesh Elul Aug 15, 2015 Beginning of new Hebrew month of Elul
Notice the stark contrast between the two? So, no I'm not Jewish, I'm a Hebrew Israelite that follows the Bible. And so called Christians are just as bad as the "Jewish" in claiming to follow the Bible but picking and choosing. Ala carting the Bible. All Pagenism and vein traditions.
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Thank the Roman Catholic Church for this.
The Roman Catholic church IS THE CHURCH from all historical perspectives. Your protestant break offs only came over a thousand years after Christ. Everything the protestants and every other whacko sect believes is only their personal twist on the original church beliefs.
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The Roman Catholic church IS THE CHURCH from all historical perspectives. Your protestant break offs only came over a thousand years after Christ. Everything the protestants and every other whacko sect believes is only their personal twist on the original church beliefs.
I'm not a protestant break off. The Roman Catholic Church stole the Bible from the Hebrews. I'm a Hebrew a real one.
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I'm not a protestant break off. The Roman Catholic Church stole the Bible from the Hebrews.
LOL whatever you say broski.
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The Roman Catholic church IS THE CHURCH from all historical perspectives. Your protestant break offs only came over a thousand years after Christ. Everything the protestants and every other whacko sect believes is only their personal twist on the original church beliefs.
Yes, the Romans may have crucified Jesus, but they helped spread the word of christianity, by making it the official religion in the 300's A.D.
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Yes, the Romans may have crucified Jesus, but they helped spread the word of christianity, by making it the official religion in the 300's A.D.
They misinterpreted the scripture, changed dates and created pagan holidays.
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LOL whatever you say broski.
This is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of historical fact. Who do you think wrote the Bible? It was written in Hebrew then translated into other languages as time went on.
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This is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of historical fact. Who do you think wrote the Bible? It was written in Hebrew then translated into other languages as time went on.
You mean "the old testament."
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I agree with you. Many of that happened at the council of Nicea.
They also omitted many of the more "controversial" scriptures from the bible.
But enough of that! Lets celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.
What did you get in your easter basket? :D
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Zombie Jesus rising from the dead
(http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/www.ign.com/4496/2012/04/zombie-jesus-saves.jpg)
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Yes, the Romans may have crucified Jesus, but they helped spread the word of christianity, by making it the official religion in the 300's A.D.
The pivotal Battle of Melvin's Bridge.
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The pivotal Battle of Melvin's Bridge.
Also known as the slaughter at Goodrum's Gooch.
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I agree with you. Many of that happened at the council of Nicea.
They also omitted many of the more "controversial" scriptures from the bible.
But enough of that! Lets celebrate the resurrection of Jesus.
What did you get in your easter basket? :D
That is correct. The Apocrypha is a part of the Bible.
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Excellent cut and paste job. Have a Cadbury.
Easter has shit to do with the Bible and any moron that believes otherwise can step up to the plate to get smacked down. It's not in the Bible along with other pagan holidays.
Hey Wiggzer, any evidence about NEGROID J.C. in the Bible ;D ;D ;D
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Man of Steel soaking his Peeps in tears as we speak.
LOL! I'm thrilled that Christians have subverted pagan and occult celebrations and replaced them with celebrations about our Lord, God and Savior! Darkness has been substituted for light....and Christ Jesus is glorified and magnified!
Hallelujah he's alive and we can proclaim that over and over and over in threads like this!
I sincerely appreciate the atheist community for their consistent annual support in helping point these things out.
Happy Easter...our Lord is alive!
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LOL! I'm thrilled that Christians have subverted pagan and occult celebrations and replaced them with celebrations about our Lord, God and Savior! Darkness has been substituted for light....and Christ Jesus is glorified and magnified!
Hallelujah he's alive and we can proclaim that over and over and over in threads like this!
I sincerely appreciate the atheist community for their consistent annual support in helping point these things out.
Happy Easter...our Lord is alive!
Nutty religious people lol. I remember a bunch of theists saying how they hated Halloween and it was going to destroy children lol. Yes, clearly all those children who dress up for Halloween are mass murderers. Nutty religious people. ;D ;D
When I was 5, I dressed up as a care bear for Halloween and now look at me!! I have been traumatized!! Halloween destroyed me!
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You mean "the old testament."
Bible has been translated from ancient Chaldea sourced Hebrew. Also Aramaic and Koine Greek. Not a linguistjust a student of Christian faith.
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I would rather Easter be a celebration of fertility where the fine maidens open there gates. After all Jesus died so that I can sin. :P
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Nutty religious people lol. I remember a bunch of theists saying how they hated Halloween and it was going to destroy children lol. Yes, clearly all those children who dress up for Halloween are mass murderers. Nutty religious people. ;D ;D
When I was 5, I dressed up as a care bear for Halloween and now look at me!! I have been traumatized!! Halloween destroyed me!
Yep all kinds of ignorant perspectives in the world. I just don't feel compelled to insult those different from my own.
Different strokes I suppose.
God bless on this Easter Sunday!
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Yep all kinds of ignorant perspectives in the world. I just don't feel compelled to insult those different from my own.
Different strokes I suppose.
God bless on this Easter Sunday!
Insult? Sorry, but if a theist is saying that parents are doing harm to children by allowing them to celebrate halloween and it will have detrimental effects on the child, that, in and of itself, IS INSULTING! You can't complain when insulting comments are equally met with insulting comments.
Its very easy to hide insults under the guise of religion, then say, "WELL, ITS MY RELIGION." ::) ::) Anyone can be a self-righteous, insulting asshole, and hide it under any ideological system. Doesn't make it right. And that is exactly what these religious parents were doing, then they get offended when met with equal opposition and say, "STOP JUDGING MY RELIGION." Pot meet kettle. Your religion doesn't give you open access to insult others parenting style. Well, it does, I guess, but then you can't bitch and moan when people fire back.
Have a blessed Zombie Jesus Day :D
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I would rather Easter be a celebration of fertility where the fine maidens open there gates. After all Jesus died so that I can sin. :P
Quite the opposite Ro....quite the opposite. :)
I'd suggest a brief study of the Christian theological concepts of sanctification and regeneration.
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Its a joke big man but Jesus always gets in the way of men enjoying fresh pussy ;D
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LOL! I'm thrilled that Christians have subverted pagan and occult celebrations and replaced them with celebrations about our Lord, God and Savior! Darkness has been substituted for light....and Christ Jesus is glorified and magnified!
Hallelujah he's alive and we can proclaim that over and over and over in threads like this!
I sincerely appreciate the atheist community for their consistent annual support in helping point these things out.
Happy Easter...our Lord is alive!
.......hmmm where in a fuck is he ??? I see only blue sky,sand,stupid dolphins & jogging chicks ::)
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.......hmmm where in a fuck is he ??? I see only blue sky,sand,stupid dolphins & jogging chicks ::)
A good fairy tale, conjured in the mind of man.
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Insult? Sorry, but if a theist is saying that parents are doing harm to children by allowing them to celebrate halloween and it will have detrimental effects on the child, that, in and of itself, IS INSULTING! You can't complain when insulting comments are equally met with insulting comments.
Its very easy to hide insults under the guise of religion, then say, "WELL, ITS MY RELIGION." ::) ::) Anyone can be a self-righteous, insulting asshole, and hide it under any ideological system. Doesn't make it right.
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Like I've said before. ...you do you and I'll do me. :)
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It'squote author=SF1900 link=topic=569874.msg8005991#msg8005991 date=1428272384]
Insult? Sorry, but if a theist is saying that parents are doing harm to children by allowing them to celebrate halloween and it will have detrimental effects on the child, that, in and of itself, IS INSULTING! You can't complain when insulting comments are equally met with insulting comments.
Its very easy to hide insults under the guise of religion, then say, "WELL, ITS MY RELIGION." ::) ::) Anyone can be a self-righteous, insulting asshole, and hide it under any ideological system. Doesn't make it right.
Like I've said before. ...you do you and I'll do me. :)
I guess so. Its easier to look the other way. It helps you avoid many things, which you would rather not face. Denial is a dangerous road, my friend. :-\
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.......hmmm where in a fuck is he ??? I see only blue sky,sand,stupid dolphins & jogging chicks ::)
It's easy friend if you want to know the reality of God. Just confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he rose from the dead and you'll be saved, deemed righteous and have the spirit of God in you. You begin to live for his will and deny your self and watch how he reveals himself to you personally over and over....
God is all about faithful belief and loving surrender.
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Clearly each to there own.
Personally I find it hard to understand how so many otherwise intelligent people believe in a god /religion.
My God is better than your God.
If you don't stop believing in your God & start believing in my God we will kill you.
God in all his religious interpretations is God.
Yet which God is the true God.
All the killing pain & suffering done & caused in gods name.
Yet he is all seeing all powerful & everywhere Yet He Lets This Continue.
It makes zero sense to me.
And as yet I have not heard one or even remotely close to one convincing explanation for all the crap that goes on in the name of God & Religion.
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It's easy friend if you want to know the reality of God. Just confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he rose from the dead and you'll be saved, deemed righteous and have the spirit of God in you. You begin to live for his will and deny your self and watch how he reveals himself to you personally over and over....
God is all about faithful belief and loving surrender.
I think he'd wondering where the risen Jesus actually is as he cannot see him.
Jesus survived the crucifixion, left Israel and travelled to north India to live out a long life in Kashmir :)
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Clearly each to there own.
Personally I find it hard to understand how so many otherwise intelligent people believe in a god /religion.
My God is better than your God.
If you don't stop believing in your God & start believing in my God we will kill you.
God in all his religious interpretations is God.
Yet which God is the true God.
All the killing pain & suffering done & caused in gods name.
Yet he is all seeing all powerful & everywhere Yet He Lets This Continue.
It makes zero sense to me.
And as yet I have not heard one or even remotely close to one convincing explanation for all the crap that goes on in the name of God & Religion.
And, yet, theists will have some sort of explanation for you. They can never just say, "I don't know." They have it all figured out. ::) ::) We must all be ignorant and stupid, for they have ALL the answers to every question you have.
As Mark Twain said, "Respect those who seek the truth, be wary of those who claim to have found it." Thus, be wary of religious people.
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I guess so. Its easier to look the other way. It helps you avoid many things, which you would rather not face. Denial is a dangirous road, my friend. :-\
If that's what you think I'm about that's fine. It's not correct but what can I do about it? I say black and you say white. I say up and you say down. I say off and you say on.....ad nauseum. It's silly and I put a minimum of effort into replies now.
Back to my family now....
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If that's what you think I'm about that's fine. It's not correct but what can I do about it? I say black and you say white. I say up and you say down. I say off and you say on.....ad nauseum. It's silly and I put a minimum of effort into replies now.
When you found out ALL of the cases of priests raping little boys, and the church not doing anything about it (in fact, sending them to other churches to avoid prosecution), did you turn away? Did you say that other people were being insulting who called out the catholic church for this disgusting practice? Did you deny it actually happened? Or did you try and do something about it? Or were you too fearful to "call out" the church on their disgusting actions toward children?
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LOL! I'm thrilled that Christians have subverted pagan and occult celebrations and replaced them with celebrations about our Lord, God and Savior! Darkness has been substituted for light....and Christ Jesus is glorified and magnified!
Hallelujah he's alive and we can proclaim that over and over and over in threads like this!
I sincerely appreciate the atheist community for their consistent annual support in helping point these things out.
Happy Easter...our Lord is alive!
Seriously, I have nothing but respect for you. Every Yin needs a Yang, and I enjoy hearing your viewpoints.
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who is your Yang Shizzo lol
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Insult? Sorry, but if a theist is saying that parents are doing harm to children by allowing them to celebrate halloween and it will have detrimental effects on the child, that, in and of itself, IS INSULTING! You can't complain when insulting comments are equally met with insulting comments.
Its very easy to hide insults under the guise of religion, then say, "WELL, ITS MY RELIGION." ::) ::) Anyone can be a self-righteous, insulting asshole, and hide it under any ideological system. Doesn't make it right.
Like I've said before. ...you do you and I'll do me. :)
Looks like Jesus couldn't help you with that quote function.
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who is your Yang Shizzo lol
AJ.
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who is your Yang Shizzo lol
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When you found out ALL of the cases of priests raping little boys, and the church not doing anything about it (in fact, sending them to other churches to avoid prosecution), did you turn away? Did you say that other people were being insulting who called out the catholic church for this disgusting practice? Did you deny it actually happened? Or did you try and do something about it? Or were you too fearful to "call out" the church on their disgusting actions toward children?
My primary stance against Roman Catholicism is that I'm not a member of the Catholic church and I deny it's theology and practices.
I stand for Jesus Christ and affirm his will for my life.
I have no control over the evil folks in this world...theist or atheist. I live out the love of Christ and let the world provide a contrast against that.
Ok really back to my family. ..have a good night.
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My primary stance against Roman Catholicism is that I'm not a member of the Catholic church and I deny it's theology and practices.
I stand for Jesus Christ and affirm his will for my life.
I have no control over the evil folks in this world...theist or atheist. I live out the love of Christ and let the world provide a contrast against that.
Do you give the Romans any credit for fulfilling the prophecy and making Christianity, the official religion?
Your salvation would not exist without the help of Pontius Pilate.
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My primary stance against Roman Catholicism is that I'm not a member of the Catholic church and I deny it's theology and practices.
I stand for Jesus Christ and affirm his will for my life.
I have no control over the evil folks in this world...theist or atheist. I live out the love of Christ and let the world provide a contrast against that.
So, you did nothing? You don't have to be a member of something to fight for what is right! I am not homeless, does that mean I can't fight to end homelessness? I am not a child, does that mean I can't fight to end child abuse? Most people have not control over evil people, does that mean people shouldn't try to end child abuse, human trafficking, community violence, etc?
A very selfish way of looking at the world. Because you're not Roman Catholic and you have no direct control over evil people, you will just let it persist? Glad to know where you stand with things. :-\
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1. Wiggs is not a Hebrew or an anointed, holy, chosen, prophet. It wouldn't matter if he was a legitimate Hebrew anyway; the banquet was set, the chosen people were invited and they decided they had better to do, so God invited everyone, not just black people.
2.The Law (which was intended for only the Israelites for only a specific time) was fulfilled with Jesus. That's why we don't use it anymore. That's why Jesus touched "unclean" people, ate unclean foods, and worked on the Sabbath. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".
3.Shizzo is not the Yin to MOS's Yang. MOS is well versed and intelligent. Shizzo is ignorant and foolish.
4. Everyone is religious. You don't have a choice. You will believe in and devote your life to something be it a god, girl, drug, TV show, job, money, power, sex, etc.
5. There'll be no "Stop, Drop, and Roll" in hell ;D
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1. Wiggs is not a Hebrew or an anointed, holy, chosen, prophet. It wouldn't matter if he was a legitimate Hebrew anyway; the banquet was set, the chosen people were invited and they decided they had better to do, so God invited everyone, not just black people.
2.The Law (which was intended for only the Israelites for only a specific time) was fulfilled with Jesus. That's why we don't use it anymore. That's why Jesus touched "unclean" people, ate unclean foods, and worked on the Sabbath. "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath".
3.Shizzo is not the Yin to MOS's Yang. MOS is well versed and intelligent. Shizzo is ignorant and foolish.
4. Everyone is religious. You don't have a choice. You will believe in and devote your life to something be it a god, girl, drug, TV show, job, money, power, sex, etc.
5. There'll be no "Stop, Drop, and Roll" in hell ;D
Not everyone is religious. Maybe everyone is spiritual. Spiritual is the broad term, and religion is one way to be spiritual. There are other ways to be spiritual (yoga, meditation, science). So, its best to say everyone is spiritual, not religious. I see it as spiritual being the root of a tree, and the branches are the multitude (religion, yoga, science, meditation, etc.) of ways people are spiritual.
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So, you did nothing? You don't have to be a member of something to fight for what is right! I am not homeless, does that mean I can't fight to end homelessness? I am not a child, does that mean I can't fight to end child abuse? Most people have not control over evil people, does that mean people shouldn't try to end child abuse, human trafficking, community violence, etc?
A very selfish way of looking at the world. Because you're not Roman Catholic and you have no direct control over evil people, you will just let it persist? Glad to know where you stand with things. :-\
What did you do? Did you turn a blind eye to the child abuse because it's going on in a church and you don't believe in religion?
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Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a consort, Attis, who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. Attis was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25.
This type of information has always made the most sense to me. Gods and goddesses were already pulling a Jesus before Jesus did.
Born of a virgin? Check.
Died and resurrected? Check.
So why are we to take the story of Jesus as "gospel", when ancient cultures had similar stories?
Let me guess, the devil planted those seeds purposely to send man astray from the lord...... ::)
From what I read about Attis, he doesn't rise from the dead. Heck, he died after getting his nuts chopped off, as he had the hots for his mother.....a far cry from the story of Jesus. Furthermore, he wasn't conceived immaculately. His mama got her freak on with one of the gods.
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4. Everyone is religious. You don't have a choice. You will believe in and devote your life to something be it a god, girl, drug, TV show, job, money, power, sex, etc.
Message board. Gimmie that 'ol risen Ron Avidan and I'll be on my knees in two shakes of a lamb's tail!
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What did you do? Did you turn a blind eye to the child abuse because it's going on in a church and you don't believe in religion?
Nice trolling attempt. :D :D
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Many, perhaps most, Pagan religions in the Mediterranean area had a major seasonal day of religious celebration at or following the Spring Equinox. Cybele, the Phrygian fertility goddess, had a consort, Attis, who was believed to have been born via a virgin birth. Attis was believed to have died and been resurrected each year during the period MAR-22 to MAR-25.
This type of information has always made the most sense to me. Gods and goddesses were already pulling a Jesus before Jesus did.
Born of a virgin? Check.
Died and resurrected? Check.
So why are we to take the story of Jesus as "gospel", when ancient cultures had similar stories?
Let me guess, the devil planted those seeds purposely to send man astray from the lord...... ::)
Similar to the story of Matras (sp?)
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I don't get the whole "He gave His only begotten son" deal. How did He give anything? Dude dies, where does he go? Right back with God. So how is this a sacrifice? Took sounds more like it.
If anything, He gave when He sent him here. Then again, He IS him, so how did He ever part with Himself? I don't think they really thought this thing through.
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People overthink religion like they overthink lifting weights. :D
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Happy freakin` Easter......... ya` pricks ya` !!
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And how can we be sure "He is risen" wasn't referring to an Apostle's boner?
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And how can we be sure "He is risen" wasn't referring to an Apostle's boner?
;D
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1. Wiggs is not a Hebrew or an anointed, holy, chosen, prophet.
Without DNA test he can't prove anything ;D
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It's easy friend if you want to know the reality of God. Just confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that he rose from the dead and you'll be saved, deemed righteous and have the spirit of God in you. You begin to live for his will and deny your self and watch how he reveals himself to you personally over and over....
God is all about faithful belief and loving surrender.
yeah , right ::) spirit of WHAT is inside me ::) ::)
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I think he'd wondering where the risen Jesus actually is as he cannot see him.
Jesus survived the crucifixion, left Israel and travelled to north India to live out a long life in Kashmir :)
Regarding to 1 of my mates, JC was in charge of the '369th Devils SS Division' at Stalingrad '43 ;D
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yeah , right ::) spirit of WHAT is inside me ::) ::)
The Holy Spirit of God.
If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.
Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them. They deny God and choose themselves and the world. Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him. Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me. I just desire for others to know God.
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So, you did nothing? You don't have to be a member of something to fight for what is right! I am not homeless, does that mean I can't fight to end homelessness? I am not a child, does that mean I can't fight to end child abuse? Most people have not control over evil people, does that mean people shouldn't try to end child abuse, human trafficking, community violence, etc?
A very selfish way of looking at the world. Because you're not Roman Catholic and you have no direct control over evil people, you will just let it persist? Glad to know where you stand with things. :-\
What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?
What dots are you actually connecting here?
For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?
You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related. It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.
I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.
I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act. Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!! Give me a break LOL.
Tell me, where should I start?
Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches? You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?
Now, here’s what I think.
I think that you’re frustrated with me. I think I frustrate the crap out of you. Not my intention.
Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?
You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts. I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.
Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.
It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.
I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.
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The Holy Spirit of God.
If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.
Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them. They deny God and choose themselves and the world. Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him. Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me. I just desire for others to know God.
everyone doesnt know God exists? Even those who are believers have doubts.
You desire for people to know God in a certain way only, anything outside that way is the devil.
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What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?
What dots are you actually connecting here?
For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?
You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related. It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.
I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.
I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act. Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!! Give me a break LOL.
Tell me, where should I start?
Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches? You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?
Now, here’s what I think.
I think that you’re frustrated with me. I think I frustrate the crap out of you. Not my intention.
Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?
You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts. I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.
Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.
It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.
I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.
Lol
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What are you attempting to achieve with this line of argumentation?
What dots are you actually connecting here?
For example, I admit I don’t know how to combat the evil of some Catholic clergymen therefore the conclusion is I take no stand against homelessness, child abuse, human trafficking, community violence and whatever else you can throw in there in a given moment?
You can literally list anything and everything that pops into your brain whether it’s relevant or related. It’s the “shot gun” approach or “barrage attack” method…..I get it LOL.
I’m honestly tired of the platitudes, the non sequitur fallacies and the rampant generalizations.
I say I stand opposed to Roman Catholicism and you wonder why I'm not more proactively fighting against any member of the Catholic clergy that may have wronged someone or committed an evil act. Why I'm not getting out there and doing something about it!! Give me a break LOL.
Tell me, where should I start?
Should I book a flight to the Vatican for a citizen's arrest of the papacy?
Should I join the local police force and build my way to detective and begin investigating any suspicious activity among the priests in my local RC churches? You know, reopen the "cold cases" like we see on tv and really dig in?
Should I form a Christian task force whose sole purpose is to eliminate this specific evil?
Should I arrange weekly rallies at my local church and picket the parishes of suspicious clergymen?
Now, here’s what I think.
I think that you’re frustrated with me. I think I frustrate the crap out of you. Not my intention.
Maybe you’re aggravated because you’re unable to persuade me to adopt your worldview?
I remain firmly in my Christianity and despite me becoming some sort of “pet project” for you it isn’t working and that frustrates you?
You’re just going to have to abandon your attempts. I long abandoned any thought whatsoever about you changing your mind about your atheism.
Further, I also think that because you’re so completely offended by my attempts to spread the love of Christ to others that you feel compelled to respond to almost every religious based post I make and play “non sequitur connect the dots” with me.
It doesn’t matter whether or not what you post in opposition to me is true, it just matters that you post something in opposition that might have credibility or initially sound reasonable.
I also think you're passionate only about “argumentation” and not the content of the argument itself……ya just like to argue and tell people why you think they're wrong.
pwned
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everyone doesnt know God exists? Even those who are believers have doubts.
You desire for people to know God in a certain way only, anything outside that way is the devil.
Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general. There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to theological questions. I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok. When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.
Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality. I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either. I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.
Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare. "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ. We're already good!"
So this ALWAYS begs the question: If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?
No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.
Support love. Support peace. Support goodness. Support one another.
There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome. Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone. It's only through Christ that this is achieved. Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.
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Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general. There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to theological questions. I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok. When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.
Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality. I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either. I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.
Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare. "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ. We're already good!"
So this ALWAYS begs the question: If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?
No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.
Support love. Support peace. Support goodness. Support one another.
There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome. Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone. It's only through Christ that this is achieved. Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.
You're on fire today.
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Genuine believers have doubts and questions about parts of scripture or the nature of God, but not about God's reality in general. There's nothing wrong with not understanding something or not having thorough and complete answers to theological questions. I'm in a life's pursuit to better understand God and today I don't always have the answers.....there's plenty of time that I just don't know things, but that's ok. When we admit we don't know it can put us on a path to learn way more than we ever considered.
Some folks call themselves believers yet question God's reality, but I wouldn't consider them genuine believers if they can't come to terms with the basic foundation of God's reality. I wouldn't consider them immoral or heathens or anything negative either. I belief they just haven't given themselves fully to God yet....not always an easy thing to do.
Now, if a belief system stands opposed to Christ and scripture I consider it to be demonically motivated....that's the essence of spiritual warfare. "See you can do good without God.....we don't need Jesus Christ. We're already good!"
So this ALWAYS begs the question: If a Buddhist's sole purpose in life is to convey peace then that's demonic?
No, the individual isn't demonic, but if they espouse a belief system that does not support Christ then the foundations are anti-Christ and demonic regardless of whether or not that stance is specifically spelled out in their particular doctrine.
Support love. Support peace. Support goodness. Support one another.
There are plenty of secular organizations that seek to do nothing but good for people....keep those motivations going because it's awesome. Although, in order for an individual to align themselves with divine righteousness they can't do so with their human works alone. It's only through Christ that this is achieved. Keep striving for good, but also align your heart with Christ....that's the perfect combination I think.
the essence of all true spiritual paths is one and the same.
enlightenment, the kingdom of heaven, samadhi, self realization are all one and the same.
All strong and humble men and women can realize there true nature which is one with christ,buddha,allah, the tao, the source of all being which is inseparable from who we are in our deepest essence.
When the body is totally calm and relaxed and the discursive thoughts and feelings come to a complete standstill, only then does one know what God is. Having strong convictions is not enough.
This talk of spiritual warfare against those who do not accept your version of what Christ only props up your sense of meaning and purpose, its not different than the Jihadists and the Infidels except yours is a peaceful path. But on the intellectual level its the same.
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The Holy Spirit of God.
If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.
Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them. They deny God and choose themselves and the world. Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him. Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me. I just desire for others to know God.
I desire slim young pussy only & double espresso 8)
any good porn in that 'scripture' :P
Who is everyone ???
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I desire slim young pussy only & double espresso 8)
any good porn in that 'scripture' :P
Who is everyone ???
Hey, that's terrific.
No pornography in scripture although the Song of Solomon has some descriptive, poetic themes about love and intimacy.
The entirety of humanity is everyone.
What is humanity? Every human on Earth.
What is a human? A person.
What is a person? An individual.
What is an individual? A single person.
Everyone is every individual, human person on Earth.
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The Holy Spirit of God.
If you desire to know God this is the path....through Jesus Christ as outlined in scripture.
Here's the thing that I rarely say....everyone knows God exists, most just suppress that with everything in them. They deny God and choose themselves and the world. Collective scoffing at God tends to ease the ability to suppress him. Everything I've just written will be scoffed at and mocked, but that has zero impact on me. I just desire for others to know God.
How did you determine this? My experience has been the exact opposite.
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Hey, that's terrific.
No pornography in scripture although the Song of Solomon has some descriptive, poetic themes about love and intimacy.
The entirety of humanity is everyone.
What is humanity? Every human on Earth.
What is a human? A person.
What is a person? An individual.
What is an individual? A single person.
Everyone is every individual, human person on Earth.
I don't classify Wiggzers as humanoids 8)
Any porno images of J.C. banging Maria Magdalena ?.
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How did you determine this? My experience has been the exact opposite.
It's indicated in scripture.
Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
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I don't classify Wiggzers as humanoids 8)
Any porno images of J.C. banging Maria Magdalena ?.
Again no pornography in scripture.
Further I know comments like this are intended to get a laugh and also to rattle believers, but it doesn't effect me in the least.
I don't prefer them, but at the same time I know comments like this are simply "of the world"....they are products of the unregenerate heart.
With the Holy Spirit of God indwelling a believer the inclination for such things changes....new eyes perceive these things differently and we work to avoid them. It's a lifelong pursuit.
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It's indicated in scripture.
Romans 1:20
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
That's not enough, I'm afraid.
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That's not enough, I'm afraid.
I hear you, but there isn't any expectation that any nonbeliever is going to say, "yeah MOS, you're right....scripture says it....I was wrong."
I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know here. ;)
Scripture acts as a mirror, lamp and light for everyone and its typically in moments of solitude and reflection that people investigate within themselves and truly wrestle with the reality of God.
In public or an online forum.....not so much LOL. :)
James 1:22-25
22 But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24 You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25 But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.
Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to guide my feet and a light for my path.
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I hear you, but there isn't any expectation that any nonbeliever is going to say, "yeah MOS, you're right....scripture says it....I was wrong."
I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know here. ;)
Scripture acts as a mirror, lamp and light for everyone and its typically in moments of solitude and reflection that people investigate within themselves and truly wrestle with the reality of God.
In public or an online forum.....not so much LOL. :)
James 1:22-25
22 But don’t just listen to God’s word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and don’t obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror. 24 You see yourself, walk away, and forget what you look like. 25 But if you look carefully into the perfect law that sets you free, and if you do what it says and don’t forget what you heard, then God will bless you for doing it.
Psalm 119:105
105 Your word is a lamp to guide my feet and a light for my path.
As I've told you privately, I wrestled with it my whole life. In hindsight, I'm certain it's because my family, friends, and society at large were all on board. So something was obviously wrong with me, I believed.
But when a ten year-old boy knows the scripture, the path, and the "truth," yet still finds it too unreasonable to believe, faith certainly wasn't innate with this child. Doubt was.
God, therefore, made me an atheist.
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God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, right? Faith then just meant 'trust that I know best'; not 'believe that I exist AND that I know best.' And those two fuckers couldn't even get it right. Brand spanking new off the lot, the perfect design, and it still malfunctioned. We hold Toyota to a higher standard.
Now here we are thousands of years later, and we're expected to follow all the rules based on words told, transcribed, re-transcribed (ad infinitum), translated, interpreted, reinterpreted (ad infinitum) - all by man. No direct communication anymore, but we're damned if we don't trust that all these folks got everything just as God intended.
Adam and fucking Eve couldn't get it right, yet He still expects us to. They were perfect, and He told them directly. None of that for us.
Shitty designer, if you ask me. No offense.
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As I've told you privately, I wrestled with it my whole life. In hindsight, I'm certain it's because my family, friends, and society at large were all on board. So something was obviously wrong with me, I believed.
But when a ten year-old boy knows the scripture, the path, and the "truth," yet still finds it too unreasonable to believe, faith certainly wasn't innate with this child. Doubt was.
God, therefore, made me an atheist.
I can see how you could reach that conclusion.
I was raised in a Christian home and went through the motions of such an upbringing like so many others as a kid.....church, sunday school, vacation bible school, youth group, etc....
Although as I grew older I basically left my faith behind and strayed completely....nothing about me would indicate I believed....nothing. I was also plagued daily with thoughts of, "do you really believe this God stuff?" and "you know you aren't really saved right?" It was as if those things were whispered in my head everyday all day.
I abandoned God and never thought about him.....pushed him down and out of my life. I lived for materialism and cared nothing for others. I indulged in pornography and it was anger and bitterness that controlled my moods and opinions. My language was off the charts horrific and I treated my family and friends very poorly. I lived for the world....I lived for me.
Then one day (as I believe I've told you privately) I went through a personal experience that put one foot of mine in the grave....I was hours from death. I was depressed and considering suicide. My days were dark and my nights were pitch black....I was in a personal hell of my own making.
Then one evening, with nothing left to lose, I reached back into that Christian memory bank and with the encouragement of my wife gave it all back to the Lord and man did he respond!! Immediately I was changed - through and through - and those doubts about God and salvation left me instantly because I was amidst the very presence of God....his spirit surrounded me so powerfully I'll never forget it.....still makes me tremble and smile.
My point in illustrating this is that if you cling only to the naturalism of the world to justify God you'll come up short every single time. What people have to come terms with is their stance on faith.....are they gonna leap at God or walk away from him. You'll never experience God if you rely solely on the rationale of men or claim "that's all there is". I speak about these things only out of love for people....because I desire for them to experience the righteous, life-changing goodness of God for themselves. All I receive in return is ridicule and mocking (well, not from you ;)). Still, I can only lead folks to life giving water.....they must choose whether or not to drink.
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God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit, right? Faith then just meant 'trust that I know best'; not 'believe that I exist AND that I know best.' And those two fuckers couldn't even get it right. Brand spanking new off the lot, the perfect design, and it still malfunctioned. We hold Toyota to a higher standard.
Now here we are thousands of years later, and we're expected to follow all the rules based on words told, transcribed, re-transcribed (ad infinitum), translated, interpreted, reinterpreted (ad infinitum) - all by man. No direct communication anymore, but we're damned if we don't trust that all these folks got everything just as God intended.
Adam and fucking Eve couldn't get it right, yet He still expects us to. They were perfect, and He told them directly. None of that for us.
Shitty designer, if you ask me. No offense.
Was God's creation "perfect" or "good"? We can consult scripture:
Genesis 1:31
31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!
Human decision making can only be perfected if it aligns fully with God's will. He communicated his will - he gave them divine insight - and they chose to defy it. God's sovreignity and foreknowledge of their choice does not impact their choice. His sovreignity allowed and accomodated their choice to stray and his foreknowledge provided a means to guide them through future choices.
Every choice we make is an opportunity for us to better understand and align with God's will for us, but we have no expectation of perfection nor are we established in a perfect world.....it's a good world and we're a good creation. We're imperfect because he allows us to accept or deny his will, but he gave of himself in the form of the incarnate son in Jesus Christ so that our acts of defiance can be reconciled to righteousness.
Faith is acknowledging and accepting his good will. It's trusting that what he said would be will be. It's an initial leap that transitions into the full assurance of who he is and what he desires for us. Faith begins young and immature and grows into something solid and eternal. It doesn't remain blind. If it did I'd have zero confidence in my words today.
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I can see how you could reach that conclusion.
I was raised in a Christian home and went through the motions of such an upbringing like so many others as a kid.....church, sunday school, vacation bible school, youth group, etc....
Although as I grew older I basically left my faith behind and strayed completely....nothing about would indicate I believed....nothing. I was also plagued daily with thoughts of, "do you really believe this God stuff?" and "you know you aren't really saved right?" It was as if those things were whispered in my head everyday all day.
I abandoned God and never thought about him.....pushed him down and out of my life. I lived for materialism and cared nothing for others. I indulged in pornography and it was anger and bitterness that controlled my moods and opinions. My language was off the charts horrific and I treated my family and friends very poorly. I lived for the world....I lived for me.
Then one day (as I believe I've told you privately) I went through a personal experience that put one foot of mine in the grave....I was hours from death. I was depressed and considering suicide. My days were dark and my nights were pitch black....I was in a personal hell of my own making.
Then one evening, with nothing left to lose, I reached back into that Christian memory bank and with the encouragement of my wife gave it all back to the Lord and man did he respond!! Immediately I was changed - through and through - and those doubts about God and salvation left me instantly because I was amidst the very presence of God....his spirit surrounded me so powerfully I'll never forget it.....still makes me tremble and smile.
My point in illustrating this is that if you cling only to the naturalism of the world to justify God you'll come up short every single time. What people have to come terms with is their stance on faith.....are they gonna leap at God or walk away from him. You'll never experience God if you rely solely on the rationale of men or claim "that's all there is". I speak about these things only out of love for people....because I desire for them to experience the righteous, life-changing goodness of God for themselves. All I receive in return is ridicule and mocking. Still, I can only lead folks to life giving water.....they must choose whether or not to drink.
I don't doubt your sincerity in wanting to help others.
Any idea why God made hide 'n' seek such a big part of His plan? For the life of me, can't understand why suspending disbelief would be so important to someone/thing that just wanted to be loved and obeyed.
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Was God's creation "perfect" or "good"? We can consult scripture:
Genesis 1:31
31 Then God looked over all he had made, and he saw that it was very good!
Human decision making can only be perfected if it aligns fully with God's will. He communicated his will - he gave them divine insight - and they chose to defy it. God's sovreignity and foreknowledge of their choice does not impact their choice. His sovreignity allowed and accomodated their choice to stray and his foreknowledge provided a means to guide them through future choices.
Every choice we make is an opportunity for us to better understand and align with God's will for us, but we have no expectation of perfection nor are we established in a perfect world.....it's a good world and we're a good creation. We're imperfect because he allows us to accept or deny his will, but he gave of himself in the form of the incarnate son in Jesus Christ so that our acts of defiance can be reconciled to righteousness.
Faith is acknowledging and accepting his good will. It's trusting that what he said would be will be. It's an initial leap that transitions into the full assurance of who he is and what he desires for us. Faith begins young and immature and grows into something solid and eternal. It doesn't remain blind. If it did I'd have zero confidence in my words today.
Still, how good could they be if their first decision was to disobey their creator. Temptation or not, doesn't make sense. "Good" would have chosen good, it would seem, not bad. But they didn't.
Many of us choose good simply due to our parents teachings; but these two were instructed by GOD Himself and disobeyed. I'm pretty sure if He told ME something directly, I wouldn't poo poo it.
And I don't even believe in Him.
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the essence of all true spiritual paths is one and the same.
enlightenment, the kingdom of heaven, samadhi, self realization are all one and the same.
All strong and humble men and women can realize there true nature which is one with christ,buddha,allah, the tao, the source of all being which is inseparable from who we are in our deepest essence.
When the body is totally calm and relaxed and the discursive thoughts and feelings come to a complete standstill, only then does one know what God is. Having strong convictions is not enough.
This talk of spiritual warfare against those who do not accept your version of what Christ only props up your sense of meaning and purpose, its not different than the Jihadists and the Infidels except yours is a peaceful path. But on the intellectual level its the same.
This doesn't jibe with scripture, though, as some are mutually exclusive. If you're right about "God," you'd have to be wrong about Christ (or Jehovah/Yahweh, really) and Allah, at least. Otherwise, why would each specially condemn you to hell for not choosing correctly?
They simply can't coexist.
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Again no pornography in scripture.
Further I know comments like this are intended to get a laugh and also to rattle believers, but it doesn't effect me in the least.
I don't prefer them, but at the same time I know comments like this are simply "of the world"....they are products of the unregenerate heart.
With the Holy Spirit of God indwelling a believer the inclination for such things changes....new eyes perceive these things differently and we work to avoid them. It's a lifelong pursuit.
What was Maria Magdalenas favourite position ;)
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That's not enough, I'm afraid.
Agreee !
Who was Gods material supplier ?, 8)
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Agreee !
Who was Gods material supplier ?, 8)
:) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(
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It's indicated in scripture.
Romans 1:20
FC Roma never lost 20:1 , who they play FC Lazio ???
2:1 yes, but 20:1 no way Jose :-X
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Are there things Obama?
So is he Christian or is he a Muslim ???
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doesnt he makes sense here though Shizzo regardless of whether he is Christian or Muslim?
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doesnt he makes sense here though Shizzo regardless of whether he is Christian or Muslim?
The timing was terrible. He was at an Easter breakfast with top Christian leaders, why did he feel the need to say that there?
Plus there is the obvious elephant in the room. He refers to himself as a Christian, yet I have heard numerous times that he is a Muslim. Which is it?
I don't know exactly what he was thinking, but we should all know that it was calculated.
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The timing was terrible. He was at an Easter breakfast with top Christian leaders, why did he feel the need to say that there?
Plus there is the obvious elephant in the room. He refers to himself as a Christian, yet I have heard numerous times that he is a Muslim. Which is it?
I don't know exactly what he was thinking, but we should all know that it was calculated.
He doesn't believe in any of that religion shite.
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He doesn't believe in any of that religion shite.
Agreed...
Like most politicians, he believes in whatever faith the crowd majority for that particular day believes in.
"1"
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Agreed...
Like most politicians, he believes in whatever faith the crowd majority for that particular day believes in.
"1"
Ich bin ein berliner!