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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Audioslave on April 11, 2015, 09:56:02 AM
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One of these guys like he loves life. The other looks like resting bitch face. You be the judge.
(http://s28.postimg.org/mdlyhzsyl/10344367_10152541800301499_6440650018385279269_o.jpg)
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WTF, is Platz a tranny?
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(2) excellent examples of what steroids do to you in end...if you survive.
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The change is insane. Don't even look like the same people. Platz at least still has the hair.
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Bobble heads
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WTF, is Platz a tranny?
Platz will be 60 this year. Not bad at all. Lotsa hair. Still training. Hell, still walking what with all those squats he did. Looks like no problems.
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Platz will be 60 this year. Not bad at all. Lotsa hair. Still training. Hell, still walking what with all those squats he did. Looks like no problems.
Considering how narrow his stance was Im surprised he still has knees
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This makes me wonder just how many cardiovascular & facial surgeries has Ah-nuld had? It also amuses me that Albert Beckles is the only one from the 80's who besides being freakin' 80 goddam years old doesn't look like he'll die tomorrow.
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I hope no is pitifully dumb enough to believe a man can go from looking like the below pics to looking as he does in the opening pic simply because he "retired" from bodybuilding. ^Thats a PED destroyed body. No two ways about it. I posted (3) because this guy was THE guy who really got me interested in bodybuilding, not Ah-nuld or Zane or Lou. I can guaran-damn-tee you I won't look like that at 60.
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Looks like two midgets ;)
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(2) excellent examples of what steroids do to you in end...if you survive.
More like examples of what MASSIVE amounts of AAS + diuretics + GH + Insulin + recreational drugs + unhealthy lifestyle over decades do to you... and keep in mind that
as far as I remember Tom Prince stopped training at all after his health problems.
He was an IV opioid addict for a long time and I'm pretty sure that he used other recreational drugs as well.
From my experience and that of others that I know and talked to using AAS in moderation is not as bad as a lot of people think.
I'm not saying that it's a good idea to use steroids (except for HRT when you're old maybe) because it is not - it does have side-effects even when used in moderation, it will
most likely have long term effects on your endogenous production when used for long periods of time (and most users will stay on for a long time...) and it's certainly not going to extent your life and
all that just for some extra muscle, strength and sex-drive...but if that's what makes you happy then who are you to judge?
I have used steroids and I'm sure I would not have been able to get to the level I am today without them but I have also trained consistently for well over a decade no matter if on or off and I've spent
quite a few years before using any gear to built a solid natural base. I have always used my brain - well of course the decision to take gear was not a rational one but I mean after that decision was made anyway - and except for a few "experiments" I've always used small amounts and always thought of it as an extra - or "the finishing touch" ;D - instead of the main factor when it comes to building muscle and strength.
I never felt like cheating anyone except for one time that I was competing in an IPF national competition and I was sure that some of the others were not using. I was always as open as one could possibly be in regards to my use. I was born with crappy ass genes for building strength and muscle, pure ecto who sucked at sports but was a chess champion at 13 and I have to admit that I was and still am often quite jealous when I see guys with great genes who just have to look at a dumbbell and grow. I thought of the gear as some bonus to even out those differences in natural hormone production. I don't think that just because I was born with crappy bbing genes that I am somehow not allowed to have a good physique ... I mean I already have to accept the fact that I will never be as big and strong as I would like to be but since there is a way to get closer to this I decided that it was worth it for me to some degree. I would not go ahead and use massive amounts now and try to force my body to grow because at some point the negative aspects outweigh the benefits but everyone has a different view on this. For some it's not worth it to take anything at all while others think it's worth it to take huge amounts and risk more to "chase their dream". I'm sure some will regret their decisions and hell maybe even I will regret mine but that is life and even though there are a few decisions that I really regret I would not want to change a damn thing because failures and success alike determine who you are and I am happy overall so what?
I can go off steroids for more than a year and still look decent though I have to admit that my sex drive is almost non-existant for at least 3 months but more like 6 usually which obviously sucks and can and might lead to some sort of addiction (which we call TRT nowadays). I have had lots of check-ups done over the past decade and it seems that at least for me steroids do not fuck up everything per se. I have had issues with high BP (not crazy high but up to 140/90) but that was more due to water retention than anything else and once I dropped the water the blood pressure was back to normal. I had slightly elevated liver values after taking oral steroids but nowhere near as high as some would think and they dropped down quickly afterwards... I'm pretty sure that I would not be as healthy as I am today if I had chosen a different path because before I got more serious about bodybuilding I was starting to drink heavy at any party and take rec. drugs and that fucks you up a lot quicker and worse than AAS could ever do. Nowadays I drink maybe 3 times per year, watch my diet, do both cardio and weightlifting and I am in general a lot more concerned about my body and health than the majority of people who don't bodybuild.
The loss of muscle when coming off is of course inevitable and very obvious to me and used to be quite hard on me but now that I changed my thinking and also realized that regular people don't really see the huge difference anyway or even like it better when I'm off it is not a huge problem anymore like it used to be (like I would not go swimming at all when off and would always cover up my whole body in longsleeve shirts and XXXL clothes). I went from 185 to 230lbs depending on bodyfat/water levels and of course AAS in the past couple of years but I'm trying to find a good balance with my diet etc. to stay around 200lbs from now on.
So all in all I would say that I would not recommend steroids to anyone but I would also not talk anyone out of it. Everyone has to find what's right for them and I know people who are in their fifties and who I absolutely believe when they say that they have no regrets about steroids... I do know some bitter naturals though that's for sure ;) Alright that's it another loooong-winded post comes to an end, I know I'm having trouble to get my point across in just a few short sentences but I think it would be alot easier for me in my mother-tongue so forgive me or simply don't read ;D
This is what I look like when off for a longer time .. and I'm sure some will tell me "bwahahaaha you needed steroids to look like that? I know a natural who's been training for 11 months with bigger arms than you.." and yeah I know that but everyone's different and I surely did train my ass off but I was simply not made to ever have >18 inch arms.
And yeah .. MELTDOWN >:(
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(http://s28.postimg.org/mdlyhzsyl/10344367_10152541800301499_6440650018385279269_o.jpg)
is that because of gh, their face and head deformed?
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(http://s28.postimg.org/mdlyhzsyl/10344367_10152541800301499_6440650018385279269_o.jpg)
is that because of gh, their face and head deformed?
I'm pretty sure that GH is the reason for their large heads (hands as well).
Look at people with acromegaly they all have huge deformed heads and hands.
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Prince got Mower neck now.
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Pretty sure the guy on the right couldn't get below 220 if he tried. ::) ;D
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More like examples of what MASSIVE amounts of AAS + diuretics + GH + Insulin + recreational drugs + unhealthy lifestyle over decades do to you... and keep in mind that
as far as I remember Tom Prince stopped training at all after his health problems.
He was an IV opioid addict for a long time and I'm pretty sure that he used other recreational drugs as well.
From my experience and that of others that I know and talked to using AAS in moderation is not as bad as a lot of people think.
I'm not saying that it's a good idea to use steroids (except for HRT when you're old maybe) because it is not - it does have side-effects even when used in moderation, it will
most likely have long term effects on your endogenous production when used for long periods of time (and most users will stay on for a long time...) and it's certainly not going to extent your life and
all that just for some extra muscle, strength and sex-drive...but if that's what makes you happy then who are you to judge?
I have used steroids and I'm sure I would not have been able to get to the level I am today without them but I have also trained consistently for well over a decade no matter if on or off and I've spent
quite a few years before using any gear to built a solid natural base. I have always used my brain - well of course the decision to take gear was not a rational one but I mean after that decision was made anyway - and except for a few "experiments" I've always used small amounts and always thought of it as an extra - or "the finishing touch" ;D - instead of the main factor when it comes to building muscle and strength.
I never felt like cheating anyone except for one time that I was competing in an IPF national competition and I was sure that some of the others were not using. I was always as open as one could possibly be in regards to my use. I was born with crappy ass genes for building strength and muscle, pure ecto who sucked at sports but was a chess champion at 13 and I have to admit that I was and still am often quite jealous when I see guys with great genes who just have to look at a dumbbell and grow. I thought of the gear as some bonus to even out those differences in natural hormone production. I don't think that just because I was born with crappy bbing genes that I am somehow not allowed to have a good physique ... I mean I already have to accept the fact that I will never be as big and strong as I would like to be but since there is a way to get closer to this I decided that it was worth it for me to some degree. I would not go ahead and use massive amounts now and try to force my body to grow because at some point the negative aspects outweigh the benefits but everyone has a different view on this. For some it's not worth it to take anything at all while others think it's worth it to take huge amounts and risk more to "chase their dream". I'm sure some will regret their decisions and hell maybe even I will regret mine but that is life and even though there are a few decisions that I really regret I would not want to change a damn thing because failures and success alike determine who you are and I am happy overall so what?
I can go off steroids for more than a year and still look decent though I have to admit that my sex drive is almost non-existant for at least 3 months but more like 6 usually which obviously sucks and can and might lead to some sort of addiction (which we call TRT nowadays). I have had lots of check-ups done over the past decade and it seems that at least for me steroids do not fuck up everything per se. I have had issues with high BP (not crazy high but up to 140/90) but that was more due to water retention than anything else and once I dropped the water the blood pressure was back to normal. I had slightly elevated liver values after taking oral steroids but nowhere near as high as some would think and they dropped down quickly afterwards... I'm pretty sure that I would not be as healthy as I am today if I had chosen a different path because before I got more serious about bodybuilding I was starting to drink heavy at any party and take rec. drugs and that fucks you up a lot quicker and worse than AAS could ever do. Nowadays I drink maybe 3 times per year, watch my diet, do both cardio and weightlifting and I am in general a lot more concerned about my body and health than the majority of people who don't bodybuild.
The loss of muscle when coming off is of course inevitable and very obvious to me and used to be quite hard on me but now that I changed my thinking and also realized that regular people don't really see the huge difference anyway or even like it better when I'm off it is not a huge problem anymore like it used to be (like I would not go swimming at all when off and would always cover up my whole body in longsleeve shirts and XXXL clothes). I went from 185 to 230lbs depending on bodyfat/water levels and of course AAS in the past couple of years but I'm trying to find a good balance with my diet etc. to stay around 200lbs from now on.
So all in all I would say that I would not recommend steroids to anyone but I would also not talk anyone out of it. Everyone has to find what's right for them and I know people who are in their fifties and who I absolutely believe when they say that they have no regrets about steroids... I do know some bitter naturals though that's for sure ;) Alright that's it another loooong-winded post comes to an end, I know I'm having trouble to get my point across in just a few short sentences but I think it would be alot easier for me in my mother-tongue so forgive me or simply don't read ;D
This is what I look like when off for a longer time .. and I'm sure some will tell me "bwahahaaha you needed steroids to look like that? I know a natural who's been training for 11 months with bigger arms than you.." and yeah I know that but everyone's different and I surely did train my ass off but I was simply not made to ever have >18 inch arms.
And yeah .. MELTDOWN >:(
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bravo,,,good read..bro..
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WTF, is Platz a tranny?
Same thing I was thinking. Slurp :P
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Same thing I was thinking. Slurp :P
Exactly what I was thinkin'.
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bravo,,,good read..bro..
Thank you :)
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Platz looks good. Almost 60 years old. 15-20 years of PED's. Dude looks great.
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(2) excellent examples of what steroids do to you in end...if you survive.
You are brilliant - I mean. They certainly have ruined Sly and Arnold's lives... And my very elderly uncle who uses test in his late 70's.. He has a friend 84 or 85 that looks incredible and stays on 40-60 mg/ week...
Abuse is fucking ignorant - but so is not using any test at all.... Mid 40's male that I know :) - only needs 75mg/test week done the RIGHT way... Nothing else - but he does "blast" 250/week for 8 weeks twice a year... 19 inch solid arms at about 10% bf (REAL numbers - but the way the retards on this board estimate bf he would be 5-7%.
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Tom Platz is a good guy, legend of the iron game. Prince, not so much... Might be a good guy though...
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;D
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One is charging you $500 at the door, I don't know how much the other skinny midget charges.
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Platz looks awesome for 60.
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One of these guys like he loves life. The other looks like resting bitch face. You be the judge.
(http://s28.postimg.org/mdlyhzsyl/10344367_10152541800301499_6440650018385279269_o.jpg)
mere shells of their former selves, do they even lift??????
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but he does "blast" 250/week for 8 weeks twice a year... 19 inch solid arms at about 10% bf
I assure you those "19in arms" are not the product of steroid use.
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I thought platz would have been a stocky older guy at least
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I thought platz would have been a stocky older guy at least
Exactly a twink before touching PEDs and a twink after.
Internet only helps to make it more evident. How I wish it was around when I was on my teens. ( the Internet that is )
Woooshhhhhhh. TA NA KA
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Exactly a twink before touching PEDs and a twink after.
Internet on my helps to make it more evident. How I wish it was around when I was on my teens. ( the Internet that is )
Woooshhhhhhh. TA NA KA
Yes. It's SO awesome that they're small, right?
Totally validates my entire life
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Exactly a twink before touching PEDs and a twink after.
Internet only helps to make it more evident. How I wish it was around when I was on my teens. ( the Internet that is )
What would you have done differently?
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Platz looks good. Almost 60 years old. 15-20 years of PED's. Dude looks great.
Not to mention that this looks like some morning at the gym, so of course they're gonna look like they rolled out of bed an hour earlier. Too many twinks here seem to think everyone wears makeup to the gym.
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Who knows maybe they are actually in pretty decent shape? You can't really tell how muscular they really are underneath.
What you can tell for sure is they are pretty lean and obviously not huge anymore but that comes with being natural.
Nobody looks big in clothes like that except for fatsos or people who have a big bone structure.. and heavy steroid users.
When I wear regular clothes NO ONE thinks that I even lift... which sucks but on the other hand it can be funny to surprise people that know you for quite a while and have no idea what's going on...
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I thought platz would have been a stocky older guy at least
he's got the growth hormone head yet, even though the rest of him shrunk down.were did those massive thighs go????
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I can clearly remember the infamous beach pics at his largest back in the early 80's like it was yesterday. Nobody came close...90% still don't.
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;D
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Who knows maybe they are actually in pretty decent shape? You can't really tell how muscular they really are underneath.
What you can tell for sure is they are pretty lean and obviously not huge anymore but that comes with being natural.
Nobody looks big in clothes like that except for fatsos or people who have a big bone structure.. and heavy steroid users.
When I wear regular clothes NO ONE thinks that I even lift... which sucks but on the other hand it can be funny to surprise people that know you for quite a while and have no idea what's going on...
me too :-\,,,unless shorts and a nice fitted polo/tee...
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(2) excellent examples of what steroids do to you in end...if you survive.
Both well into their sixties. Both older than Platz and Prince. Both decades long users. Both still juiced to the gills.
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/4/34b16_ORIG-MC7.jpg)
(http://www.the-biomatrix.net/images/cool-stallone.jpg)
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Both well into their sixties. Both older than Platz and Prince. Both decades long users. Both still juiced to the gills.
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/4/34b16_ORIG-MC7.jpg)
(http://www.the-biomatrix.net/images/cool-stallone.jpg)
yeah...props..
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Dorian is still kicking at 53.
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Both well into their sixties. Both older than Platz and Prince. Both decades long users. Both still juiced to the gills.
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/4/34b16_ORIG-MC7.jpg)
(http://www.the-biomatrix.net/images/cool-stallone.jpg)
Still not the norm though
Kinda like the whole I know 2 people who smokes a pack a day and lives till 90 sayings
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Still not the norm though
Kinda like the whole I know 2 people who smokes a pack a day and lives till 90 sayings
I think the fact they keep their weight down makes a big difference and aren't running around at 250.
Stallone is likely being checked by his Dr regularly and keeps his bp under control.
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Still not the norm though
Kinda like the whole I know 2 people who smokes a pack a day and lives till 90 sayings
How do you know? Think of the thousands of people that juice. Everyday gym rats. People you'll never know. Live healthy long lives. I'm 55 years old and still keep in touch with people that I've known for decades and have trained with in the past. Several well into their sixties. All doing fine.
But you're right about one thing: They are not the norm. They are jacked, look younger; and are way more virile, stronger and healthier than the norm.
I don't where you get this notion that steroids are so deadly and you're not going to survive into your fifties when it's been establish so many times that on the list of cause of death due to drugs AAS are way down the list. Prince, and majority of pro BBers, that have health problems are doing way more than AAS. And just being so massively huge is never healthy for the heart no matter if it's fat or muscle.
I've been on AAS in moderate dosages for over thirty years now and have a blood test twice a year. Never had any problems. And though I'm nothing special, compared to the average 55 years old I'm superman. Just being able to climb ten flights of stairs (which I do every other day) and having visible abs puts me light years ahead of most 55 year olds.
So knock it off with this tired old argument. You've never juiced and don't know many personally that have for a long period of time. There's a difference between use and abuse. EVERYTHING can abused. Probably the most abused substance in our society is food since virtually all heart disease, the number one killer, can be trace to a bad diet.
Pellius: Dead by 85
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How do you know? Think of the thousands of people that juice. Everyday gym rats. People you'll never know. Live healthy long lives. I'm 55 years old and still keep in touch with people that I've known for decades and have trained with in the past. Several well into their sixties. All doing fine.
But you're right about one thing: They are not the norm. They are jacked, look younger; and are way more virile, stronger and healthier than the norm.
I don't where you get this notion that steroids are so deadly and you're not going to survive into your fifties when it's been establish so many times that on the list of cause of death due to drugs AAS are way down the list. Prince, and majority of pro BBers, that have health problems are doing way more than AAS. And just being so massively huge is never healthy for the heart no matter if it's fat or muscle.
I've been on AAS in moderate dosages for over thirty years now and have a blood test twice a year. Never had any problems. And though I'm nothing special, compared to the average 55 years old I'm superman. Just being able to climb ten flights of stairs (which I do every other day) and having visible abs puts me light years ahead of most 55 year olds.
So knock it off with this tired old argument. You've never juiced and don't know many personally that have for a long period of time. There's a difference between use and abuse. EVERYTHING can abused. Probably the most abused substance in our society is food since virtually all heart disease, the number one killer, can be trace to a bad diet.
Pellius: Dead by 85
I've never said steroids are deadly and I'm no doctor either
All I said is being in that shape, in reference to the two pics, is rare, that's all. Take into account the population ratio
Like millionaires/billionaires to average broke ass Americans or 50k a year people, it's rare
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I've never said steroids are deadly and I'm no doctor either
All I said is being in that shape, in reference to the two pics, is rare, that's all. Take into account the population ratio
Like millionaires/billionaires to average broke ass Americans or 50k a year people, it's rare
OK. I thought you were piggy backing on the comment by Crealife about steroid use and "if you survive".
People who take steroids are people who overwhelming workout and live a healthier life style than the norm. BBers are extreme cases and represent a fraction of a percent of people who go to the gym. Pro bbers are not just steroid abuses but they are drug abusers. The diuretics and pain killers they take are way more dangerous than hormones.
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More like examples of what MASSIVE amounts of AAS + diuretics + GH + Insulin + recreational drugs + unhealthy lifestyle over decades do to you... and keep in mind that
as far as I remember Tom Prince stopped training at all after his health problems.
He ....
And yeah .. MELTDOWN >:(
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good post... agreed.
whenever ive been off- and i mean, for years... i NEVER end up like platz and prince. Still solid, large..even when not even training.
went off for 10 years and still didnt drop below 240lb.
arms shrunk to 17.5"...down from 20". took about a year to get back to 19 3/4" drug free after 10 years off..completely.
a group of buddies have been training on and off like me- we met at university - they are the same. in their early 40s and all look decent. some were completely drug free, others used a bit.
all look like they work out..still...and they hardly do.
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took about a year to get back to 19 3/4" drug free after 10 years off..completely.
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Still not the norm though
Kinda like the whole I know 2 people who smokes a pack a day and lives till 90 sayings
This is true, some people just have indestructible internals and can tolerate decades of chemical use. Plus, the public rarely know the truth and the side effects they have suffered along the way.
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This is true, some people just have indestructible internals and can tolerate decades of chemical use. Plus, the public rarely know the truth and the side effects they have suffered along the way.
People are living longer and healthier than ever before in history. The average life span just over 100 years ago was just over 40. In countries such as Angola, where all their food is natural and there is no fast or processed food or evil drugs nor any money to buy these things, they don't even make it to 40.
In fact, one the reasons given as to why there is so much cancer now then before is because we are living so much longer. The longer you live the greater the chance of developing mutant cancer cells. But as long as Chuck Norris, at 75, can still do those round house kicks at an age where people use to die then it's worth it.
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People are living longer and healthier than ever before in history. The average life span just over 100 years ago was just over 40. In countries such as Angola, where all their food is natural and there is no fast or processed food or evil drugs nor any money to buy these things, they don't even make it to 40.
In fact, one the reasons given as to why there is so much cancer now then before is because we are living so much longer. The longer you live the greater the chance of developing mutant cancer cells. But as long as Chuck Norris, at 75, can still do those round house kicks at an age where people use to die then it's worth it.
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Didn't Platz start running marathons after he retired from BB? That might explain some of it.
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good post... agreed.
whenever ive been off- and i mean, for years... i NEVER end up like platz and prince. Still solid, large..even when not even training.
went off for 10 years and still didnt drop below 240lb.
arms shrunk to 17.5"...down from 20". took about a year to get back to 19 3/4" drug free after 10 years off..completely.
a group of buddies have been training on and off like me- we met at university - they are the same. in their early 40s and all look decent. some were completely drug free, others used a bit.
all look like they work out..still...and they hardly do.
Wow didn't realize we have a Tom prince here ;D
Were u 240 at 6 percent?