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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on April 13, 2015, 09:47:59 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
And they also own 84% ish of the land, money etc..
But keep fighting for the people who doesnt need it.
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And they also own 84% ish of the land, money etc..
But keep fighting for the people who doesnt need it.
Exactly. They should be taxed even more. They need to be punished
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Exactly. They should be taxed even more. They need to be punished
No its the homeless guy that needs to be punished.
The top tax payers should have the rights to take his organs or hunt him for sport.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
Somebody has to pay for all the free Obama phones, healthcare subsidies , illegals etc
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And they also own 84% ish of the land, money etc..
But keep fighting for the people who doesnt need it.
And why do you think these people are successful?
Why do you think .gov has the right to take from the successful and give it to societal leaches?
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And why do you think these people are successful?
Hard work, education, luck, etc..
Why do you think .gov has the right to take from the successful and give it to societal leaches?
I dont follow. Are taxes= giving to leaches in your mind? Taxes pays for a lot of things not just welfare etc..
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Did you just say "luck"? That's a cop out and total bullshit. You create your own destiny.
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same stupid thread every year
having just visited with my CPA last night I can say that I'd much rather be in the 20% who earn a good income and pay taxes than to be in the ever expanding lower income class in this country that pays little or no taxes
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same stupid thread every year
having just visited with my CPA last night I can say that I'd much rather be in the 20% who earn a good income and pay taxes than to be in the ever expanding lower income class in this country that pays little or no taxes
It's expanding because a lazy society is being created because of government handouts. There's no incentive to work. These are mostly the one's that don't care if they work let alone start a business.
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Did you just say "luck"? That's a cop out and total bullshit. You create your own destiny.
I wrote:
Hard work, education, luck, etc..
You only hear/read what you want to huh?
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It's expanding because a lazy society is being created because of government handouts. There's no incentive to work. These are mostly the one's that don't care if they work let alone start a business.
You get the same money from welfare that you get from holding a job ???
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You get the same money from welfare that you get from holding a job ???
Pretty much. if the job is minimum wage.
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There's a reason I drive a Porsche 911 Turbo, and it has NOTHING to do with luck.
It's called an education & hard work. Luck my ass.
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It's expanding because a lazy society is being created because of government handouts. There's no incentive to work. These are mostly the one's that don't care if they work let alone start a business.
Exactly. We've become an entitlement nation.
Americans now vote for whomever offers the MOST handouts.
It's pathetic.
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Did you just say "luck"? That's a cop out and total bullshit. You create your own destiny.
The harder people work luckier they get. So luck has something to do with it in some, not all, instances.
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The harder people work luckier they get. So luck has something to do with it in some, not all, instances.
Truth.
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There's a reason I drive a Porsche 911 Turbo, and it has NOTHING to do with luck.
It's called an education & hard work. Luck my ass.
I wrote:
Hard work, education, luck, etc..
You only hear/read what you want to huh?
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Exactly. We've become an entitlement nation.
Americans now vote for whomever offers the MOST handouts.
It's pathetic.
Unemployment is what 10%?
So the unemployed doesnt really have the votes.
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The harder people work luckier they get. So luck has something to do with it in some, not all, instances.
I think I would call it more opportunity. if you're in the right environment and yes, work hard opportunity will present itself. Would you consider opportunity luck?
I've had clients want to invest in my gym because they see the success I've had and yes, how hard I work at it. Is that luck or opportunity?
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No its the homeless guy that needs to be punished.
The top tax payers should have the rights to take his organs or hunt him for sport.
:D
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No its the homeless guy that needs to be punished.
The top tax payers should have the rights to take his organs or hunt him for sport.
Have to find out why he/she is homeless in the first place.
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The harder people work luckier they get. So luck has something to do with it in some, not all, instances.
true that.
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Somebody has to pay for all the free Obama phones, healthcare subsidies , illegals etc
actually its the BUSHphone.....but of course that doesn't fit into your idiotic narrative
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And why do you think these people are successful?
Why do you think .gov has the right to take from the successful and give it to societal leaches?
he government is not taking money to give to "leeches" as you put it....these people didn't get rich in a vacuum....they got rich because the government put infratructure in place such as roads to help businesses succeed....
try getting iphones to market without roads and bridges
Its a fallacy that the rich don't owe the government ANYTHING.....and corporate profits are booming
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The harder people work luckier they get. So luck has something to do with it in some, not all, instances.
agreed.....hard work ensures that you are in more situations where luck is bound to happen or at least be a factor
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agreed.....hard work ensures that you are in more situations where luck is bound to happen or at least be a factor
Again, luck or opportunity?
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Again, luck or opportunity?
Hard work creates opportunities.
Luck is winning the Lotto.
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Hard work creates opportunities.
Luck is winning the Lotto.
Exactly.
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I think I would call it more opportunity. if you're in the right environment and yes, work hard opportunity will present itself. Would you consider opportunity luck?
I've had clients want to invest in my gym because they see the success I've had and yes, how hard I work at it. Is that luck or opportunity?
It really defends how you define luck. In this context you may think that luck suggests receiving something with out working for it, like winning the lottery.
I think we do get lucky when presented with some opportunities, but that is usually because hard work put us in the right place at the right time.
Like Bill Gates for example. He slaved away at coding for years. One day IBM came knocking at his door because the people they were in town to see first weren't home. He seized his opportunity. Was he lucky that the other person wasn't home or was it his hard work? I'd say both.
In your case i think its 100% hard work on your part.....But not in every case and luck has had a part in some people's success. However, rarely is it all luck and no hard work.
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There is truth to what both of you are saying (Coach and Ozmo). One of the common themes of very successful people is that they were working hard and pursuing excellence in their chosen field at the time when a greater opportunity arose.
That's why I like the definition posted earlier that luck is where opportunity meets hard work.
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Hard work is not where it's at.
Dockworkers, foundry workers, electricians - all work hard.
Smart work is where it's at.
Smart work gets you paid better and moving up the ladder.
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Hard work is not where it's at.
Dockworkers, foundry workers, electricians - all work hard.
Smart work is where it's at.
Smart work gets you paid better and moving up the ladder.
I agree in part. Yes smart work is very important.
Where I disagree is that any class of worker cannot move up the employment, business, income, net worth ladder, etc. I've probably posted this on here before, but some of the best advice I heard years ago is this: if you're good at what you do, the money will follow you.
I believe that is true, regardless of your occupation.
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Unemployment is what 10%?
So the unemployed doesnt really have the votes.
The .gov unemployment rate ONLY refers to those individuals receiving an unemployment check.
If you're in an entitlement program and NOT working, you're NOT counted as unemployed. ( welfare etc)
If your 99 weeks of unemployment benefits run out and still without a job, you're NO LONGER counted in the official unemployment number.
Currently 97 Million working age Americans are OUT of the work force. Again, only those receiving an unemployment check reflect the official 5.5% unemployment rate.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
The top 20 also own 95% of the country, all of the politicians, can write their own laws, and most importantly want to take the remaining 5% of the country that the other 80% have left.
Shut the fuck up, Joe. BTW, the wealthy built their empires on the backs of the poor and middle class by usually exploiting their ignorance. I can't say anything because I participated in it when I worked for Homegold Financial but that's the way it works.
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I agree in part. Yes smart work is very important.
Where I disagree is that any class of worker cannot move up the employment, business, income, net worth ladder, etc. I've probably posted this on here before, but some of the best advice I heard years ago is this: if you're good at what you do, the money will follow you.
I believe that is true, regardless of your occupation.
Nope. You can be a great, hard working cashier for Wal-Mart and love it. You'll never go over what a top level cashier is worth...money will not follow.
Smart work would be to identify how senior level managers at Wal-Mart got to where they're at and follow suit. Maybe educate yourself for a better position. Learn, understand, and play the politics, etc. Identify viable career paths. That's gonna get you moving. That's gonna get you paid.
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The .gov unemployment rate ONLY refers to those individuals receiving an unemployment check.
If you're in an entitlement program and NOT working, you're NOT counted as unemployed. ( welfare etc)
If your 99 weeks of unemployment benefits run out and still without a job, you're NO LONGER counted in the official unemployment number.
Currently 97 Million working age Americans are OUT of the work force. Again, only those receiving an unemployment check reflect the official 5.5% unemployment rate.
Thanks.
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The top 20 also own 95% of the country, all of the politicians, can write their own laws, and most importantly want to take the remaining 5% of the country that the other 80% have left.
Shut the fuck up, Joe. BTW, the wealthy built their empires on the backs of the poor and middle class by usually exploiting their ignorance. I can't say anything because I participated in it when I worked for Homegold Financial but that's the way it works.
Is Coach in the top 20%?
Its weird he keeps campaigning for the people who have the most. Like a reverse Jesus or something.
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Nope. You can be a great, hard working cashier for Wal-Mart and love it. You'll never go over what a top level cashier is worth...money will not follow.
Smart work would be to identify how senior level managers at Wal-Mart got to where they're at and follow suit. Maybe educate yourself for a better position. Learn, understand, and play the politics, etc. Identify viable career paths. That's gonna get you moving. That's gonna get you paid.
A great, hard-working cashier at Walmart is probably going to move up the ladder, probably receive bonuses, stock options, etc. That's how the money follows them.
I agree with the rest. That's called modeling and it is definitely a recipe for success.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
They make more than 84% of the income in this country, so it seems to me, they are getting a deal. Quit carrying the water for the rich, you will never be in that group.
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Is Coach in the top 20%?
Its weird he keeps campaigning for the people who have the most. Like a reverse Jesus or something.
No, he's middle class....he just thinks he's going in that direction
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No, he's middle class....he just thinks he's going in that direction
You're naive at best Vince.
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You're naive at best Vince.
So you are in the top 20%?
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So you are in the top 20%?
Depends where you draw the line.
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Is Coach in the top 20%?
Its weird he keeps campaigning for the people who have the most. Like a reverse Jesus or something.
I call him the reverse Robin Hood.....but you seem to get the picture :D
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Depends where you draw the line.
Either way you make a good living.
Here is an idea: Why not enjoy your succes instead of stepping on people less fortunate than yourself?
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Either way you make a good living.
Here is an idea: Why not enjoy your succes instead of stepping on people less fortunate than yourself?
Curious.....
The idea that being "rich" also means you are stepping on people less fortunate is false to me. How would a person like Joe, someone's who owns a gym, be stepping on people by being financially successful?
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Either way you make a good living.
Here is an idea: Why not enjoy your succes instead of stepping on people less fortunate than yourself?
I prefer to give my money to who I choose. The government has no right to steal my money and give to who THEY choose. I already stated that I give more than $10k a year to charity and tithe with my church. Of course that doesn't include the taxes I pay on top of that. What do you and Andre give voluntarily each year?
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Either way you make a good living.
Here is an idea: Why not enjoy your succes instead of stepping on people less fortunate than yourself?
Yes, I make a damn good living because I earned it and work my ass off for it. I started from literally NOTHING except some business cards while being a single parent. I took no loans, no handouts and definitely no government assistance.
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153193487385238
And before any of you clowns scream "Faux News" they're not the source.
This says as much about the fact that a lot of folks are at or near the poverty level and therefore taxed lightly or not at all. In fact if you are below the poverty level and you have earned income, you get an earned income credit which means the Feds actually pay you more in addition to any taxes you prepaid and which are refunded to you.
I paid nearly $10,000 to the Feds this year and I am probably not in the top 20%.This is on a retirement income where only a percentage of my SS is taxed. Am I happy about this? Hell no.
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Curious.....
The idea that being "rich" also means you are stepping on people less fortunate is false to me. How would a person like Joe, someone's who owns a gym, be stepping on people by being financially successful?
The fact you are rich itself doesnt make you step on people of course.
Being rich and yet constantly crying about people on welfare living on pennies is.
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Yes, I make a damn good living because I earned it and work my ass off for it. I started from literally NOTHING except some business cards while being a single parent. I took no loans, no handouts and definitely no government assistance.
We all started from nothing. Stop bragging about shit like it something huge when its just life.
You make it sound like you are the only one who had to struggle.
You claim to be succesful but that succes came at a high price. It made you bitter, sad and gave you a dislike for people.
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I prefer to give my money to who I choose.
We all do.
The government has no right to steal my money and give to who THEY choose.
I hate paying taxes as well (Im in the highest tax bracket which is 70%in Denmark.
I already stated that I give more than $10k a year to charity and tithe with my church. Of course that doesn't include the taxes I pay on top of that. What do you and Andre give voluntarily each year?
I dont give anything voluntarily.
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The fact you are rich itself doesnt make you step on people of course.
Being rich and yet constantly crying about people on welfare living on pennies is.
How does having the opinion people on welfare is wrong exactly translate into "stepping on people"?
And specifically how is a person like Joe who has this opinion "stepping on people"?
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"I don't give anything voluntarily". So you prefer to have it taken from you?
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How does having the opinion people on welfare is wrong exactly translate into "stepping on people"?
And specifically how is a person like Joe who has this opinion "stepping on people"?
people like coach and SC always take a rhetorical ground that is so harsh that it gets the same opposite reaction from others...for example
instead of saying
"I understand that some people are less fortunate and need welfare but a lot of people on welfare are cheating the system"
he usually says something like
"all people on welfare are cheating bums"
its due to the fact that he is not thoughtful with his opinions that he gets harsh reactions from others
maybe you can help him with that
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people like coach and SC always take a rhetorical ground that is so harsh that it gets the same opposite reaction from others...for example
instead of saying
"I understand that some people are less fortunate and need welfare but a lot of people on welfare are cheating the system"
he usually says something like
"all people on welfare are cheating bums"
its due to the fact that he is not thoughtful with his opinions that he gets harsh reactions from others
maybe you can help him with that
It's because I don't deal in fantasy.
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How does having the opinion people on welfare is wrong exactly translate into "stepping on people"?
And specifically how is a person like Joe who has this opinion "stepping on people"?
Its not.
Making threads supprting that the people who doesnt own shit should pay even more is.
The top 20% doesnt need Joe to fight their cause.
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"I don't give anything voluntarily". So you prefer to have it taken from you?
No but i cant really do anything about them taking it.
I worked in construction where we got paid under the table but thats not gonna happen where i work now.
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Its not.
Making threads supprting that the people who doesnt own shit should pay even more is.
The top 20% doesnt need Joe to fight their cause.
Other than voicing his opinion, he's not doing anything to anyone who is on welfare is he?
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We all started from nothing. Stop bragging about shit like it something huge when its just life.
No, not everyone starts out from nothing
You make it sound like you are the only one who had to struggle.
Of course not but I also knew I had the drive to not take anything from anyone or take assistance. My point is there are too many people that take advantage of the system because todays systems somewhat allows it. It's there to help people until they're able to get off it and get off of it asap.
You claim to be succesful but that succes came at a high price. It made you bitter, sad and gave you a dislike for people.
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"....not everyone starts out from nothing." Coach
Some of us have more privileges than others. In the early years of marriage, my wife and I had some hard times financially. Family bailed us out which allowed us to get back on our feet and not be beat down by our failures. We paid them back even though they didn't expect it.
"....I had the drive to not take anything from anyone or take assistance. My point is there are too many people that take advantage of the system because todays systems somewhat allows it. It's there to help people until they're able to get off it and get off of it asap." Coach
I completely agree with the fact that the systems that help people in need. This should be a stopgap. Unfortunately, some people make it a life style.
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Other than voicing his opinion, he's not doing anything to anyone who is on welfare is he?
Nope.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here but thats not what you was gunning for with this thread.
You started out with complaining the fact that the top 20% paid 84% taxes. It wasnt a welfare debate.
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Nope.
So then i don't see where he's stepping on people who are on welfare.
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I agree with a lot of what you are saying here but thats not what you was gunning for with this thread.
You started out with complaining the fact that the top 20% paid 84% taxes. It wasnt a welfare debate.
And? As far as I'm concerned we have full wealth distribution in this country now. This not what our founding fathers intended.
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And? As far as I'm concerned we have full wealth distribution in this country now. This not what our founding fathers intended.
If there is "full wealth distribution" why are only 1% considered truly wealthy? Why were more than 45 million people, or 14.5 percent of all Americans, living below the poverty line last year?
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If there is "full wealth distribution" why are only 1% considered truly wealthy? Why were more than 45 million people, or 14.5 percent of all Americans, living below the poverty line last year?
Good point....Republicans have tricked guys like Coach who are white and lower/middle class to support the rich in all that they want....very low taxes, subsidies, tax breaks, etc......
Actually lower and middle class whites have more in common with minorities who are lower, middle class and those groups should be working together for tax fairness and higher pay......
But help to the poor (especially if they are minority) is looked upon as handouts for laziness and the Republicans contribute to this perception.....however in fairness, the Democrats need to pay attention to combating fraud and abuse in the system, especially in terms of SSI and food stamps, and there needs to be a concerted effort to go after those who abuse the system long term....
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Good point....Republicans have tricked guys like Coach who are white and lower/middle class to support the rich in all that they want....very low taxes, subsidies, tax breaks, etc......
Actually lower and middle class whites have more in common with minorities who are lower, middle class and those groups should be working together for tax fairness and higher pay......
But help to the poor (especially if they are minority) is looked upon as handouts for laziness and the Republicans contribute to this perception.....however in fairness, the Democrats need to pay attention to combating fraud and abuse in the system, especially in terms of SSI and food stamps, and there needs to be a concerted effort to go after those who abuse the system long term....
I completely agree that abuse of social benefits exists. If the powers that be put more effort in controlling the abuse, one would think it would save some money. What most of us don't know is how widespread the abuse is. We also don't know if it is more expensive to hire additional government employees to work on government assistance fraud then it's worth. Those people who get caught generally are newsworthy. All the people who aren't defrauding the government aren't newsworthy.
6 Myths About Welfare Recipients Debunked
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/
6. Illegal immigrants receive food stamps: Completely and utterly false. If you’re an undocumented immigrant, you do not qualify for food stamps, plain and simple. If you are a documented immigrant, you still have to wait 5 years before you qualify. This is a talking point brought up over and over again by many uninformed conservatives, and it is false according to the SNAP website: Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SNAP. Additionally, there is already a strict waiting period for documented immigrants. Documented adult immigrants (those with a greencard) are subject to a five-year waiting period before they are eligible for SNAP.
5. The “Obamaphone”: How many memes have you seen on the Internet like “I wish I could afford an Obama iPhone and an Escalade like the person in front of me in the checkout line who is paying for her groceries with food stamps”? Getting past the obvious racial dogwhistle (you know, because only black people drive Cadillac Escalades), has it ever occurred to these people that Lifeline does not support smartphones? You’re getting a basic phone with a finite number of minutes and text messages to use monthly. If you’re a welfare recipient and you have a nice phone, it’s not from the government. End of story.
4. The Welfare Queen: Again, this is a not-so-subtle racial card played repeatedly to convince poor whites who receive government assistance to vote against their own best interests. It paints a stereotypical image of a single, black woman with multiple children, an iPhone, and an EBT card loading up the back of an Escalade with fancy cuts of meat and cases of soda – allegedly purchased on your hard-earned tax dollars. The fact is that when you break down welfare statistics, the number of whites versus blacks who receive public assistance is almost equal: The margin between Caucasians and African-Americans who are on welfare is extremely narrow — 38.8 percent of Caucasians, and 39.8 percent of African-Americans are on welfare.
3. Obama is the “food-stamp President”: A favorite tactic of some conservatives is to claim that the welfare rolls are the highest they’ve ever been under the Obama administration. While true according to Politifact.com, it’s a trend that started before he took office due to a combination of the recession, the fact that corporations continue to avoid hiring despite record profits, and that the minimum wage hasn’t kept up to the rate of inflation. In other words, it’s a cheap, easy accusation that flies well with those who hated the guy to begin with – and have no idea how the economy works.
2. Only lazy people get welfare: A common retort from those who like to demonize those who receive public assistance is “if you just worked harder, you wouldn’t need welfare! Stop being lazy and get to work!” Almost $104 million dollars worth of food stamps were used at military commissaries in 2013. These are some of the hardest working people in the United States, and they still need food stamps to get by. In addition, nearly 1 million veterans receive food stamps as well. While there are certainly some who spend a lifetime on public assistance, they are the exception, not the rule – and honestly, I can’t see that as being a happy way to live.
1. Welfare is too expensive: The average SNAP benefit is slightly less than $134 per person monthly and if you are an able-bodied adult, you only get to be on it for 3 months. SNAP already has strict time-limits for unemployed workers. Able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWDs) may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period, unless they are working in a qualifying job training program. The SNAP benefit formula is structured to provide a strong work incentive – for every additional dollar a SNAP participant earns, their benefits decline by about 24 to 36 cents, not a full dollar, so participants have a strong incentive to find work, work longer hours, or seek better-paying employment.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/
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So then i don't see where he's stepping on people who are on welfare.
The "stepping" part was from the thread title. Campaigning for the people who doesnt need it thereby stepping on the rest. I was bad phrase i know.
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And? As far as I'm concerned we have full wealth distribution in this country now. This not what our founding fathers intended.
Im pretty sure they didnt see the US owned by an elite either.
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Good point....Republicans have tricked guys like Coach who are white and lower/middle class to support the rich in all that they want....very low taxes, subsidies, tax breaks, etc......
Actually lower and middle class whites have more in common with minorities who are lower, middle class and those groups should be working together for tax fairness and higher pay......
But help to the poor (especially if they are minority) is looked upon as handouts for laziness and the Republicans contribute to this perception.....however in fairness, the Democrats need to pay attention to combating fraud and abuse in the system, especially in terms of SSI and food stamps, and there needs to be a concerted effort to go after those who abuse the system long term....
+1
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I completely agree that abuse of social benefits exists. If the powers that be put more effort in controlling the abuse, one would think it would save some money. What most of us don't know is how widespread the abuse is. We also don't know if it is more expensive to hire additional government employees to work on government assistance fraud then it's worth. Those people who get caught generally are newsworthy. All the people who aren't defrauding the government aren't newsworthy.
6 Myths About Welfare Recipients Debunked
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/
6. Illegal immigrants receive food stamps: Completely and utterly false. If you’re an undocumented immigrant, you do not qualify for food stamps, plain and simple. If you are a documented immigrant, you still have to wait 5 years before you qualify. This is a talking point brought up over and over again by many uninformed conservatives, and it is false according to the SNAP website: Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SNAP. Additionally, there is already a strict waiting period for documented immigrants. Documented adult immigrants (those with a greencard) are subject to a five-year waiting period before they are eligible for SNAP.
5. The “Obamaphone”: How many memes have you seen on the Internet like “I wish I could afford an Obama iPhone and an Escalade like the person in front of me in the checkout line who is paying for her groceries with food stamps”? Getting past the obvious racial dogwhistle (you know, because only black people drive Cadillac Escalades), has it ever occurred to these people that Lifeline does not support smartphones? You’re getting a basic phone with a finite number of minutes and text messages to use monthly. If you’re a welfare recipient and you have a nice phone, it’s not from the government. End of story.
4. The Welfare Queen: Again, this is a not-so-subtle racial card played repeatedly to convince poor whites who receive government assistance to vote against their own best interests. It paints a stereotypical image of a single, black woman with multiple children, an iPhone, and an EBT card loading up the back of an Escalade with fancy cuts of meat and cases of soda – allegedly purchased on your hard-earned tax dollars. The fact is that when you break down welfare statistics, the number of whites versus blacks who receive public assistance is almost equal: The margin between Caucasians and African-Americans who are on welfare is extremely narrow — 38.8 percent of Caucasians, and 39.8 percent of African-Americans are on welfare.
3. Obama is the “food-stamp President”: A favorite tactic of some conservatives is to claim that the welfare rolls are the highest they’ve ever been under the Obama administration. While true according to Politifact.com, it’s a trend that started before he took office due to a combination of the recession, the fact that corporations continue to avoid hiring despite record profits, and that the minimum wage hasn’t kept up to the rate of inflation. In other words, it’s a cheap, easy accusation that flies well with those who hated the guy to begin with – and have no idea how the economy works.
2. Only lazy people get welfare: A common retort from those who like to demonize those who receive public assistance is “if you just worked harder, you wouldn’t need welfare! Stop being lazy and get to work!” Almost $104 million dollars worth of food stamps were used at military commissaries in 2013. These are some of the hardest working people in the United States, and they still need food stamps to get by. In addition, nearly 1 million veterans receive food stamps as well. While there are certainly some who spend a lifetime on public assistance, they are the exception, not the rule – and honestly, I can’t see that as being a happy way to live.
1. Welfare is too expensive: The average SNAP benefit is slightly less than $134 per person monthly and if you are an able-bodied adult, you only get to be on it for 3 months. SNAP already has strict time-limits for unemployed workers. Able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWDs) may only receive 3 months of SNAP benefits during any 3 year period, unless they are working in a qualifying job training program. The SNAP benefit formula is structured to provide a strong work incentive – for every additional dollar a SNAP participant earns, their benefits decline by about 24 to 36 cents, not a full dollar, so participants have a strong incentive to find work, work longer hours, or seek better-paying employment.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/6-myths-welfare-recipients-debunked/
great post....excellent job
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great post....excellent job
Why wouldn't this surprise me? "Forward Progressives" lol. Fact, last count there was over 500k ILLEGALS getting social security cards which means they're going to ILLEGALLY receive refunds, subsidies and benefits they're not LEGALLY entitled to.
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Good point....Republicans have tricked guys like Coach who are white and lower/middle class to support the rich in all that they want....very low taxes, subsidies, tax breaks, etc......
Actually lower and middle class whites have more in common with minorities who are lower, middle class and those groups should be working together for tax fairness and higher pay......
But help to the poor (especially if they are minority) is looked upon as handouts for laziness and the Republicans contribute to this perception.....however in fairness, the Democrats need to pay attention to combating fraud and abuse in the system, especially in terms of SSI and food stamps, and there needs to be a concerted effort to go after those who abuse the system long term....
Jesus Christ just shut up. Dude, do you even have a job?
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Jesus Christ just shut up. Dude, do you even have a job?
LOL - frustrated much?
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Why wouldn't this surprise me? "Forward Progressives" lol. Fact, last count there was over 500k ILLEGALS getting social security cards which means they're going to ILLEGALLY receive refunds, subsidies and benefits they're not LEGALLY entitled to.
these illegals can vote now. and they ain't voting Repub, you know this.
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Why wouldn't this surprise me? "Forward Progressives" lol. Fact, last count there was over 500k ILLEGALS getting social security cards which means they're going to ILLEGALLY receive refunds, subsidies and benefits they're not LEGALLY entitled to.
great
you finally have something you can prove
where is the link to prove your fact?
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these illegals can vote now. and they ain't voting Repub, you know this.
Regardless, they're still ILLEGAL.
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great
you finally have something you can prove
where is the link to prove your fact?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/12/senators-demand-know-how-many-illegals-got-social-/
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/12/senators-demand-know-how-many-illegals-got-social-/
so now it's 90k
and were they given the card legally or not
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Regardless, they're still ILLEGAL.
Hey, vote ted cruz or support amnesty. It's that simple in 2016.
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Why wouldn't this surprise me? "Forward Progressives" lol. Fact, last count there was over 500k ILLEGALS getting social security cards which means they're going to ILLEGALLY receive refunds, subsidies and benefits they're not LEGALLY entitled to.
It also means many of them are paying taxes when they weren't before they had Social Security numbers. What illegals aren't entitled to is food stamps. The folks who have SS #'s are no longer illegal. They were granted amnesty.
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Jesus Christ just shut up. Dude, do you even have a job?
I see you are now resorting to defamation tactics. Thought you said it was liberals who did this. Seems you folks to the right aren't exempt from it.
Just wondering, what does his having a job have to do with anything. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's independently wealthy.
Just so you know, I don't have a job per se. I am retired. I pay taxes a plenty.
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Jesus Christ just shut up. Dude, do you even have a job?
actually I have two of them...I'm a Licensed Clinical social worker and college professor....and yes, I'm a progressive and a liberal...not ashamed of it at all.....
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actually I have two of them...I'm a Licensed Clinical social worker and college professor....and yes, I'm a progressive and a liberal...not ashamed of it at all.....
Do you teach your students the same liberal ideologies as yourself? In other words, are you indoctrinating them?
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Do you teach your students the same liberal ideologies as yourself? In other words, are you indoctrinating them?
well..I teach psychology and physical geology.......politics does come up in class.......I try to be as fair as I can and present the most reasonable points of view,....which is difficult to do when the Republicans have such extreme views..most people are ALREADY liberal.........they are mostly pro-marijuana use, pro-gay rights, Pro-gay marriage, etc.....
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Do you teach your students the same liberal ideologies as yourself? In other words, are you indoctrinating them?
Do you teach those poor unfortunate kids that you "coach" your idiotic right wing ideology ?
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well..I teach psychology and physical geology.......politics does come up in class.......I try to be as fair as I can and present the most reasonable points of view,....which is difficult to do when the Republicans have such extreme views..most people are ALREADY liberal.........they are mostly pro-marijuana use, pro-gay rights, Pro-gay marriage, etc.....
and unlike Joe you're not taking photos of teenage girls and posting them to the internet without their consent
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and unlike Joe you're not taking photos of teenage girls and posting them to the internet without their consent
Did he actually do that???????...WOW!!!
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Did he actually do that???????...WOW!!!
I seem to recall he posted a picture of some teenage girl squatting at his gym (more vicarious bragging)
I don't know if he got her consent to post her picture or not
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actually I have two of them...I'm a Licensed Clinical social worker and college professor....and yes, I'm a progressive and a liberal...not ashamed of it at all.....
It takes hard work and a great education to achieve your positions. Congrats. We just have different views. Strawman on the other hand has a finance degree and still thinks 2+2= 8.
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I seem to recall he posted a picture of some teenage girl squatting at his gym (more vicarious bragging)
I don't know if he got her consent to post her picture or not
Oh. You mean my 25 year old Internationally Ranked Cyclist who races for The US Cycling Team who is now training at the Olympic Training Center for RIO? That teenage girl? Oh, BTW. I just wrote the strength program for the Olympic Cycling Team. I go up in two weeks to give my presentation. Thanks for coming. Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out.
What did you say you did for living again?
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Thanks for coming. Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out.
oops, too late.
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Oh. You mean my 25 year old Internationally Ranked Cyclist who races for The US Cycling Team who is now training at the Olympic Training Center for RIO? That teenage girl? Oh, BTW. I just wrote the strength program for the Olympic Cycling Team. I go up in two weeks to give my presentation. Thanks for coming. Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out.
What did you say you did for living again?
your memory is pretty shit but hey man, if you say you didn't post a picture of a teenage girl squatting in your gym I'll take your word for it
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your memory is pretty shit but hey man, if you say you didn't post a picture of a teenage girl squatting in your gym I'll take your word for it
How is my memory for shit, liar? I posted a pic of a 25 year old women squatting. Not a teenage girl. Keep your pedo fantasies to yourself.
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..most people are ALREADY liberal.........they are mostly pro-marijuana use, pro-gay rights, Pro-gay marriage, etc.....
-Same in my world. I sometimes wonder if a lot of Getbiggers are out of touch or live in the "backwoods" of our country. Maybe they are completely nuts and have been institutionalized and not allowed to keep up on current affairs.
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Oh. You mean my 25 year old Internationally Ranked Cyclist who races for The US Cycling Team who is now training at the Olympic Training Center for RIO? That teenage girl? Oh, BTW. I just wrote the strength program for the Olympic Cycling Team. I go up in two weeks to give my presentation. Thanks for coming. Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out.
What did you say you did for living again?
Impressive. -Still begs the question, did you get her permission to post her photo? If not, think about all the coaches who have gone down big time for less. Be careful.
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It takes hard work and a great education to achieve your positions. Congrats. We just have different views. Strawman on the other hand has a finance degree and still thinks 2+2= 8.
much appreciated :)
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Oh. You mean my 25 year old Internationally Ranked Cyclist who races for The US Cycling Team who is now training at the Olympic Training Center for RIO? That teenage girl? Oh, BTW. I just wrote the strength program for the Olympic Cycling Team. I go up in two weeks to give my presentation. Thanks for coming. Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out.
What did you say you did for living again?
Really?......impressive.....did you know Lance Armstrong?.......what do you think about all the doping in cycling?..is it good or bad?
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Impressive. -Still begs the question of did you get her permission to post her photo? If not think about all the coaches have gone down big time for less. Be careful.
I have photo waivers built into my applications. If they don't sign it, I don't use the picture. If they do, obviously I will. She signed it. She's all over my social media and I on hers.
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How is my memory for shit, liar? I posted a pic of a 25 year old women squatting. Not a teenage girl. Keep your pedo fantasies to yourself.
I've never seen a coach who constantly takes so much credit when someone succeeds and zero credit when they fail
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I've never seen a coach who constantly takes so much credit when someone succeeds and zero credit when they fail
She came to me for a reason. For 2-3 years she well with podium placings but wasn't winning and no dramatic change in her times. She started getting her times up and got invited to train the OTC. She arrived there on a Saturday and that Wednesday she was invited to race out of the country. She won all of her races. She worked hard and I NEVER take all the credit. But this is what I was hired to do.
I laugh everytime I hear a statement like the stupid one you just made. As a business am I not supposed to have testimonials? To Better my business should I keep "wrote program for the USA Olympic Cycling Team" off of my resume'? Are you serious? Lol
P.S. Keep talking shit. It really shows your ignorance.
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I paid a silly amount in taxes this year.
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A "democraticunderground" meme. Nice propaganda.
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A "democraticunderground" meme. Nice propaganda.
what part of that image is false? Cause a LOT of the anti-obama propaganda I see is 100% correct.
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(http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2015/150417-congratulations-tea-party-behold-the-fruits-of-your-labors.jpg)
Disgusting.
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Disgusting.
The Republican Party getting lower and middle class whites to go along iwht their agenda is the bissest con job ewver....Republicans do absolutely nothing to help that group of people and always shows they are willing to increase the deficit if it benefits the rich...AMAZING
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The Republican Party getting lower and middle class whites to go along iwht their agenda is the bissest con job ewver....Republicans do absolutely nothing to help that group of people and always shows they are willing to increase the deficit if it benefits the rich...AMAZING
Naive
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The Republican Party getting lower and middle class whites to go along iwht their agenda is the bissest con job ewver....Republicans do absolutely nothing to help that group of people and always shows they are willing to increase the deficit if it benefits the rich...AMAZING
It really is.
And you got people like Coach leading the charge.
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Naive
Yes, yes you are.
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Yes, yes you are.
Prove that's meme is accurate. Anything from the left is no better than communist propaganda.
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Prove that's meme is accurate. Anything from the left is no better than communist propaganda.
I could say that anything from the right comes from a bunch of lunatic fanatics, but I won't. Thankfully, there's a lot of use who don't operate from the political fringes and just see things as they are.
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Prove that's meme is accurate. Anything from the left is no better than communist propaganda.
What would be considered proof to you?
Tell me and i will see if i can find it.
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still absolutely love how you guys think the Dems and Repubs are different..LOL
ahhh... the illusion of choice for the American Sheeple
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;D
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still absolutely love how you guys think the Dems and Repubs are different..LOL
ahhh... the illusion of choice for the American Sheeple
Actually they are different....the Republicans continue to present a very radical vision of America the way they see it.....progressives simply want everyone to be treated fairly and equally......
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(http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2015/150417-congratulations-tea-party-behold-the-fruits-of-your-labors.jpg)
so stupid on so many levels. this picture makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't even know where to start.
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The United States House of Representatives ignored the White House veto threat and passed legislation that would repeal the estate tax on Thursday. It passed with a partisan 240-179 vote, and was backed by Republicans.
Apparently, repealing the Paris Hilton Tax is something that desperately needs to be done. Right now, it only applies to inherited assets worth $5.4 million or more, not your Teabilly uncle’s double-wide, but listening to them talk, you wouldn’t think that.
Republican Georgia Representative Tom Graves said of the repeal, “It’s past time to repeal this unacceptable tax. Every American deserves the ability to pass their life’s savings to their kids.”
That’s right; everyone loves Paris Hilton, Perez Hilton, and Kim Kardashian, right? They worked so hard for their fortune. It’s time to get rid of the Paris Hilton Tax once and for all. Those 5,400 estates, or 0.2% of taxpayers, need this relief. These are desperate times; they might be forced to sell that second home.
And you wouldn’t want them second homeless, would you? Then they’d be stuck with just one home, and what kind of monster does that to aristocrats? They’re sensitive souls, the vast majority of whom don’t even work for an honest wage, but instead live off their investments and government handouts.
Reuters notes that repealing the tax would boost the federal deficit by $269 billion over 10 years, so the deficit hawks are all over this unacceptable government handout, right? Right? Buller?
Even if it does pass the Senate, Obama has threatened a veto, and the Senate needs a two-thirds majority it doesn’t have in order to override said veto.
The timing, of course, is intentional. It’s tax season, and conservatives have railed against the Paris Hilton tax for a long time, because in their mystical world, it hurts “the families of small business owners and farmers.”
Small business owners and farmers with a total inheritable wealth of $5.4 million or more.
It’s darkly amusing how the Republicans have managed to convince the poor SOBs who vote for them that they’re actually rich. It reminds me of a quote:
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
Temporarily embarrassed millionaires who are born temporarily embarrassed and die temporarily embarrassed.
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Actually they are different....the Republicans continue to present a very radical vision of America the way they see it.....progressives simply want everyone to be treated fairly and equally......
It must be said..........are you fucking galactically insane with that comment?
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So you support the "death tax"? No problem with .gov coming in and taking 50% of what someone worked their whole life to attain and leave to their family?
How is it adding to the deficit? In order for that to happen, .gov would have to own all the money in the first place.
The whole premise of the meme is fucking stupid.
The progressive tax allows politicians to divide the classes against each other, and use one to raise more taxes at the expense of the other class, without alienating all for raising taxes.
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So you support the "death tax"? No problem with .gov coming in and taking 50% of what someone worked their whole life to attain and leave to their family?
How is it adding to the deficit? In order for that to happen, .gov would have to own all the money in the first place.
The whole premise of the meme is fucking stupid.
The progressive tax allows politicians to divide the classes against each other, and use one to raise more taxes at the expense of the other class, without alienating all for raising taxes.
with all the problems that we have that the congress is NOT dealing with, they decide that this issue is the most pressing thing to deal with????....something that just so happens to benefit the rich....again
when are you conservatives gonna wake up and realize the Republican party doesn't give a SHIT about you???????????????????
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The "death tax" is a tax that only douche bags like the Hilton children end up paying. Who by the way, never worked an honest day in their lives. Unless you count sucking cock on video as work.
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The "death tax" is a tax that only douche bags like the Hilton children end up paying. Who by the way, never worked an honest day in their lives. Unless you count sucking cock on video as work.
Of course it counts, if not our resident republicans in this thread would be out of work and sucking the government's tit instead.
Thats why they always jump in to defend the rich.
They are fellow cocksuckers.
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Of course it counts, if not our resident republicans in this thread would be out of work and sucking the government's tit instead.
Thats why they always jump in to defend the rich.
They are fellow cocksuckers.
HA! :D ;D
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Actually they are different....the Republicans continue to present a very radical vision of America the way they see it.....progressives simply want everyone to be treated fairly and equally......
With everybody else's money. Why is it fair when someone goes out and creates wealth for someone else who basically sits on their ass or has no desire to further themselves?
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Of course it counts, if not our resident republicans in this thread would be out of work and sucking the government's tit instead.
Thats why they always jump in to defend the rich.
They are fellow cocksuckers.
Republicans (the majority of capitalist) create most of the wealth and jobs in this country. Your from the Netherlands. Why are you chiming in anyway? If you're not happy being a construction worker and not making enough, instead of going on the dole when you're not working. How about becoming an owner of your own?
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The "death tax" is a tax that only douche bags like the Hilton children end up paying. Who by the way, never worked an honest day in their lives. Unless you count sucking cock on video as work.
So you are saying that it is OK for .gov to take stuff because someone is rich and you don't think their offspring deserve it? What are you? A fucking Marxist?
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Of course it counts, if not our resident republicans in this thread would be out of work and sucking the government's tit instead.
Thats why they always jump in to defend the rich.
They are fellow cocksuckers.
And your a whiny little bitch. What exactly is your problem with the "rich"? Why is their money fair game for .gov? It seems you think the rich somehow don't deserve what they have, so .gov does what you can't, Take it.
And why do you always jump to defend the "poor"? Do you think it is some noble cause to defend the leaches of society? If it wasn't for those rich bastards these people wouldn't be poor?
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The Republican Party getting lower and middle class whites to go along iwht their agenda is the bissest con job ewver....Republicans do absolutely nothing to help that group of people and always shows they are willing to increase the deficit if it benefits the rich...AMAZING
And the dems keep creating social programs to keep the votes coming in from those on the .gov tit. And you think giving hand outs is helping people?
Class warfare is the biggest con job of all time, keep the peons fighting over non sense while .gov spends the country into oblivion.
Funny, last time I checked I have to live within the means of my income. I can't go out and spend 10x what I make, then go to my boss and demand a raise well because I was irresponsible. Not .gov, spend like their is no tomorrow then raise taxes. Then once taxes have been raise piss all that away as well.
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And your a whiny little bitch. What exactly is your problem with the "rich"? Why is their money fair game for .gov? It seems you think the rich somehow don't deserve what they have, so .gov does what you can't, Take it.
And why do you always jump to defend the "poor"? Do you think it is some noble cause to defend the leaches of society? If it wasn't for those rich bastards these people wouldn't be poor?
My problem is not with the rich its cock suckers like you that is my problem.
Always fighting for the ones who doesnt need it. The rich has it all: influence, tax breaks, politicians you name it.
A little advice: Just because you swallow the rich mans cum doesnt make you rich.You are still just a guy.
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Republicans (the majority of capitalist) create most of the wealth and jobs in this country. Your from the Netherlands. Why are you chiming in anyway? If you're not happy being a construction worker and not making enough, instead of going on the dole when you're not working. How about becoming an owner of your own?
You could learn a lot from me actually.
My country has a free press and our education system teaches us to take "the opposite wiev".
I/We are much more informed than you will ever be.
With the information and education you have recieved you might as well be living in North Korea.
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And the dems keep creating social programs to keep the votes coming in from those on the .gov tit. And you think giving hand outs is helping people?
Class warfare is the biggest con job of all time, keep the peons fighting over non sense while .gov spends the country into oblivion.
Funny, last time I checked I have to live within the means of my income. I can't go out and spend 10x what I make, then go to my boss and demand a raise well because I was irresponsible. Not .gov, spend like their is no tomorrow then raise taxes. Then once taxes have been raise piss all that away as well.
You just described Wall Street right there saying YOU cant do that yet they can and you defend them.
They piss on you and tell you its raining and you bark at the poor like god dog you are.
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With everybody else's money. Why is it fair when someone goes out and creates wealth for someone else who basically sits on their ass or has no desire to further themselves?
You mean the factory worker who creates wealth for the owner who enhirited the business from his father, who never works at all and take his money to tax shelters in the Caymans?
That is not fair yet you defend the owner everytime you get the chance.
Why? Because you are a fucking coward who always sides with the winner.
If Hitler had won the war all we would hear from you would be "jawohl mein führer".
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Actually they are different....the Republicans continue to present a very radical vision of America the way they see it.....progressives simply want everyone to be treated fairly and equally......
oh Christ. I officially give up. seriously. white flag. i'm done.
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oh Christ. I officially give up. seriously. white flag. i'm done.
This was your last post in this thread:
"so stupid on so many levels. this picture makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't even know where to start. "
I give up, im done, i dont know where to start etc...
Why do you even bother posting that you dont bother?
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This was your last post in this thread:
"so stupid on so many levels. this picture makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't even know where to start. "
I give up, im done, i dont know where to start etc...
Why do you even bother posting that you dont bother?
sorry. i'm at work. to effectively address all of the different topics that picture covers I would have to write at least 1,000 words. someone who posts that and then literally believes that "Democrats care about poor people, and Republicans don't" I just can't help.
I will say this. I think that a progressive tax system is fair. I don't mind that the rich pay a larger share. Some wealth distribution does not bother me. The estate tax however is aggressive wealth redistribution. Obamacare is aggressive wealth redistribution. I am against AGGRESSIVE forms of wealth redistribution. It leads us down the wrong path. I believe that.
I'm not sure you would ever be against a bill that raises taxes on people who make over let's say a million dollars a year. That bothers me. Hard left people believe that we can tax ourselves into prosperity.
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sorry. i'm at work. to effectively address all of the different topics that picture covers I would have to write at least 1,000 words. someone who posts that and then literally believes that "Democrats care about poor people, and Republicans don't" I just can't help.
I will say this. I think that a progressive tax system is fair. I don't mind that the rich pay a larger share. Some wealth distribution does not bother me. The estate tax however is aggressive wealth redistribution. Obamacare is aggressive wealth redistribution. I am against AGGRESSIVE forms of wealth redistribution. It leads us down the wrong path. I believe that.
I'm not sure you would ever be against a bill that raises taxes on people who make over let's say a million dollars a year. That bothers me. Hard left people believe that we can tax ourselves into prosperity.
Good post. I agree lets not get into the who cares about who debate.
One thing though. Dont you find it odd that the republicans and many democrats is talking about deficits yet whenever it benefits the uber-rich or wars it doesnt seem to matter at all? The Congress/Senate is the most unproductive ever yet when a bill like this comes they have no problems getting it through.
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Good post. I agree lets not get into the who cares about who debate.
One thing though. Dont you find it odd that the republicans and many democrats is talking about deficits yet whenever it benefits the uber-rich or wars it doesnt seem to matter at all? The Congress/Senate is the most unproductive ever yet when a bill like this comes they have no problems getting it through.
they're trying appease them that's for sure. in 2014 there was the new Medicare tax on the rich, new lower phase outs for itemized and higher rates on the capital gains and qualified dividends. they're just trying to make nice.
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You mean the factory worker who creates wealth for the owner who enhirited the business from his father, who never works at all and take his money to tax shelters in the Caymans?
That is not fair yet you defend the owner everytime you get the chance.
Why? Because you are a fucking coward who always sides with the winner.
If Hitler had won the war all we would hear from you would be "jawohl mein führer".
Do you work for someone or for yourself? Do you not understand that no matter who owns that company that person is creating the jobs for the factory worker and no matter how much that owner/CEO makes he/she's the one taking all the risks?
That factory worker is free to leave his position and go out and start a business on their own. Yes, it can be done, has been done and those with any drive what so ever will continue to do so. It's the business owners that take the risks and if done right deserve the reward. Besides helping people, I went into business TO MAKE MONEY. My trainers are free to go out and start their own businesses if the choose but most won't because (like any business) they won't take the risk. It doesn't matter if that business was inherited or not..someone, again, took the risk to start it. So the whining by yourself and left about not being "fair" is a bullshit argument on every level.
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Do you work for someone or for yourself? Do you not understand that no matter who owns that company that person is creating the jobs for the factory worker and no matter how much that owner/CEO makes he/she's the one taking all the risks?
That factory worker is free to leave his position and go out and start a business on their own. Yes, it can be done, has been done and those with any drive what so ever will continue to do so. It's the business owners that take the risks and if done right deserve the reward. Besides helping people, I went into business TO MAKE MONEY. My trainers are free to go out and start their own businesses if the choose but most won't because (like any business) they won't take the risk. It doesn't matter if that business was inherited or not..someone, again, took the risk to start it. So the whining by yourself and left about not being "fair" is a bullshit argument on every level.
I agree that business owners take risk and perform a very good public service by providing revunue to the government and jobs...but they don't deserve a free pass just because they do......
businessment and able to be in business because there are roads, police, etc to help them maintain grow businesses....if not for this they could not be in business period....businessment do not create businesses in a vacuum..they need government support for this and so they MUST pay their fair share of taxes..
also the fact of the matter is, businesses with the support of the Republicans are not paying people what they are worth..which causes the government to have to step in and provide food stamps and in efect, subsidize business salaries......but of course you don't care about that..in your mind its Obama's fault that every one is on food stamps.....not stopping to think that many of the people on food stamps are in the military and are working
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I agree that business owners take risk and perform a very good public service by providing revunue to the government and jobs...but they don't deserve a free pass just because they do......
businessment and able to be in business because there are roads, police, etc to help them maintain grow businesses....if not for this they could not be in business period....businessment do not create businesses in a vacuum..they need government support for this and so they MUST pay their fair share of taxes..
You're using Obama's lame line "you didn't build that" which is complete BS and I don't think ONE person on here is complaining about paying for necessities. But the bottom line and true Entrepreneur finds ways to make things work. Like Obama you act like businesses would be non-existent. The difference between not knowing how businesses work and how they do work. I have to add that after Obama made that ridiculous speech he was pretty much the laughing stock of the business world and he and his minions struggled to cover his ass after that retarded comment
also the fact of the matter is, businesses with the support of the Republicans are not paying people what they are worth..which causes the government to have to step in and provide food stamps and in efect, subsidize business salaries......but of course you don't care about that..in your mind its Obama's fault that every one is on food stamps.....not stopping to think that many of the people on food stamps are in the military and are working
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they're trying appease them that's for sure. in 2014 there was the new Medicare tax on the rich, new lower phase outs for itemized and higher rates on the capital gains and qualified dividends. they're just trying to make nice.
I havent heard about this is it this one:
3. Higher Medicare taxes
For those making over $200,000 ($250,000 if married), their Medicare taxes will go up on their wages and, for the first time, their investment income will be subject to a Medicare tax as well.
On wages: They will pay another 0.9 percentage points of Medicare tax on wage income over $200,000 ($250,000 if married). That's on top of the 1.45% Medicare tax that they must pay on all their wages (or 2.9% if they're self-employed).
So, for example, a single bank executive making $500,000 in wages - which is $300,000 above the applicable threshold - would have to pay an additional $2,700 in Medicare taxes (0.9% x $300,000)
http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/20/pf/taxes/rich-taxes/
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Do you work for someone or for yourself? Do you not understand that no matter who owns that company that person is creating the jobs for the factory worker and no matter how much that owner/CEO makes he/she's the one taking all the risks?
That factory worker is free to leave his position and go out and start a business on their own. Yes, it can be done, has been done and those with any drive what so ever will continue to do so. It's the business owners that take the risks and if done right deserve the reward. Besides helping people, I went into business TO MAKE MONEY. My trainers are free to go out and start their own businesses if the choose but most won't because (like any business) they won't take the risk. It doesn't matter if that business was inherited or not..someone, again, took the risk to start it. So the whining by yourself and left about not being "fair" is a bullshit argument on every level.
Im not talking small-business owners here you know that. You critizise me for talking the side of the "poor". In this my wiev the small business owner is part of the "poor".
Im talking big business who use tax shelters, use politicians to write a tax code that gives them numerous subsidies etc.
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Do you work for someone or for yourself? Do you not understand that no matter who owns that company that person is creating the jobs for the factory worker and no matter how much that owner/CEO makes he/she's the one taking all the risks?
That factory worker is free to leave his position and go out and start a business on their own. Yes, it can be done, has been done and those with any drive what so ever will continue to do so. It's the business owners that take the risks and if done right deserve the reward. Besides helping people, I went into business TO MAKE MONEY. My trainers are free to go out and start their own businesses if the choose but most won't because (like any business) they won't take the risk. It doesn't matter if that business was inherited or not..someone, again, took the risk to start it. So the whining by yourself and left about not being "fair" is a bullshit argument on every level.
Hell i would love to see coorporations be punished for using tax shelters and cut several tax deductions and give them to small businesses instead.
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My problem is not with the rich its cock suckers like you that is my problem.
Always fighting for the ones who doesnt need it. The rich has it all: influence, tax breaks, politicians you name it.
A little advice: Just because you swallow the rich mans cum doesnt make you rich.You are still just a guy.
Your so fucking stupid you can even see that I am fighting for everyone. Guess what happens after they take it all from the rich? They come after the middle class then the poor. Your homo based metaphors are as ignorant as you
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Im not talking small-business owners here you know that. You critizise me for talking the side of the "poor". In this my wiev the small business owner is part of the "poor".
Im talking big business who use tax shelters, use politicians to write a tax code that gives them numerous subsidies etc.
Big businesses grew from small businesses. They didn't start out that way. BTW, where have I criticized you for taking the side of the poor?
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Your so fucking stupid you can even see that I am fighting for everyone. Guess what happens after they take it all from the rich? They come after the middle class then the poor. Your homo based metaphors are as ignorant as you
Hilarious post :D
You sound like you live in nazi germany.
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Big businesses grew from small businesses. They didn't start out that way.
No argument here. But just like a government can become to big so can a coorporation.
BTW, where have I criticized you for taking the side of the poor?
I think you have called me a commie multiple times so.. :)
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Hilarious post :D
You sound like you live in nazi germany.
And you sound like you live is Soviet Russia
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And your a whiny little bitch. What exactly is your problem with the "rich"? Why is their money fair game for .gov? It seems you think the rich somehow don't deserve what they have, so .gov does what you can't, Take it.
And why do you always jump to defend the "poor"? Do you think it is some noble cause to defend the leaches of society? If it wasn't for those rich bastards these people wouldn't be poor?
Under the current system of taxation, many if not most of the very wealthy have a much lower tax rate then the dwindling middle-class. In my opinion, everyone should have the same tax rate and any loopholes should be eliminated because everyone benefits from government programs one way or the other. The middle-class traditionally have contributed in a big way to the health of the U.S. economy. If the middle-class were eliminated, our economy would fail. No U.S. citizen wants that to happen.
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Under the current system of taxation, many if not most of the very wealthy have a much lower tax rate then the dwindling middle-class. In my opinion, everyone should have the same tax rate and any loopholes should be eliminated because everyone benefits from government programs one way or the other. The middle-class traditionally have contributed in a big way to the health of the U.S. economy. If the middle-class were eliminated, our economy would fail. No U.S. citizen wants that to happen.
And how exactly is that going to happen? There is no way .gov will go to a flat tax or national sales tax type system. How then could they raise taxes on the evil rich without raising them on everyone? Last time I checked .gov implements the tax code, yet blame the rich for using loop holes. Without class warfare what do politicians have to keep the masses in fighting?
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And how exactly is that going to happen? There is no way .gov will go to a flat tax or national sales tax type system. How then could they raise taxes on the evil rich without raising them on everyone? Last time I checked .gov implements the tax code, yet blame the rich for using loop holes. Without class warfare what do politicians have to keep the masses in fighting?
Who do you suppose lobbies for these loop-holes, which mainly benefit the rich? Remember a politician's primary job is to get elected and then reelected. Running a campaign for office is an extremely expensive proposition these days. It would be next to impossible to get elected without donations to their campaigns. Who do you think the biggest donors are? Sales tax is considered a regressive tax.
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Who do you suppose lobbies for these loop-holes, which mainly benefit the rich? Remember a politician's primary job is to get elected and then reelected. Running a campaign for office is an extremely expensive proposition these days. It would be next to impossible to get elected without donations to their campaigns. Who do you think the biggest donors are? Sales tax is considered a regressive tax.
Really a politicians job is to get re-elected? And all this time I thought it was to represent the people who elected them.
Lobbyist should be outlawed, and if you haven't noticed most politicians are "rich", so gee no wonder they are going to benefit themselves.
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Really a politicians job is to get re-elected? And all this time I thought it was to represent the people who elected them.
Lobbyist should be outlawed, and if you haven't noticed most politicians are "rich", so gee no wonder they are going to benefit themselves.
When you consider what it cost to get elected or reelected to Congress, you can understand why so much time is spent raising campaign funds. Politicians are elected to represent the people as you say. Most of them do. Many politicians represent the folks who contribute the most to their campaigns.
The figures below are for the 2012 election.
House members, on average, each raised $1,689,580, an average of $2,315 every day during the 2012 cycle.
Senators, on average, each raised $10,476,451, an average of $14,351 every day during the 2012 cycle.
Very few politicians are rich enough to fund their own campaigns.
42,506,349 Elizabeth Warren Senate
$25,894,721 Michele Bachmann House
$22,024,288 John Boehner House
$20,945,196 Sherrod Brown Senate
$18,833,736 Claire McCaskill Senate
$18,038,275 Timothy Kaine Senate
$15,735,457 Kirsten Gillibrand Senate
$15,098,279 Ted Cruz Senate
$15,063,115 Tammy Baldwin Senate
$13,402,612 Bill Nelson Senate
$12,673,306 Dianne Feinstein Senate
$12,290,307 Robert Menéndez Senate
$11,912,726 Jon Tester Senate
$11,159,085 Robert Casey Senate
$10,640,546 Debbie Stabenow Senate
$10,543,456 Christopher Murphy Senate
$9,994,587 Bob Corker Senate
$9,423,369 Maria Cantwell Senate
$9,341,391 Dean Heller Senate
$9,026,106 Jeff Flake Senate
$8,912,971 Orrin Hatch Senate
$7,640,467 Eric Cantor House
$7,245,123 Amy Klobuchar Senate
$6,727,091 Martin Heinrich Senate
$6,274,553 Bernard Sanders Senate
$5,662,233 Joe Donnelly Senate
$5,642,938 Heidi Heitkamp Senate
$5,594,299 Benjamin Cardin Senate
$5,514,418 Mazie Hirono Senate
$5,394,200 Alan Grayson House
$5,309,495 Tammy Duckworth House
$5,283,975 Deb Fischer Senate
$5,071,896 Joe Manchin Senate
$4,994,668 Paul Ryan House
$4,752,054 Patrick Murphy House
$4,605,118 John Delaney House
$4,578,119 Kevin McCarthy House
$4,496,594 Charles Boustany House
$4,476,145 Dave Camp House
$4,425,726 Suzan DelBene House
$4,381,438 Scott Peters House
$4,204,050 Joseph Kennedy House
$4,155,103 Steny Hoyer House
$4,129,538 Fred Upton House
$4,001,363 John Barrasso Senate
$3,753,860 Steve King House
$3,664,782 Ami Bera House
$3,629,324 Debbie Wasserman Schultz House
$3,540,707 Bill Foster House
$3,533,915 Lois Frankel House
$3,516,328 Thomas Carper Senate
$3,511,130 Diane Black House
$3,441,283 Mike Coffman House
$3,412,780 Tom Latham House
$3,401,860 Brad Sherman House
$3,384,007 Roger Wicker Senate
$3,375,830 Patrick Tiberi House
$3,371,438 James Renacci House
$3,326,550 Elizabeth Esty House
$3,324,422 Robert Pittenger House
$3,320,071 Lois Capps House
$3,299,474 Sheldon Whitehouse Senate
$3,297,683 Roger Williams House
$3,277,932 Peter Roskam House
$3,226,793 Aaron Schock House
$3,190,721 Steve Israel House
$3,161,004 Ann Kuster House
$3,113,793 Erik Paulsen House
$3,043,849 Bradley Schneider House
$3,035,222 James Himes House
$3,017,392 Jeb Hensarling House
$2,975,376 Ed Perlmutter House
$2,964,323 Angus King Senate
$2,910,725 Allyson Schwartz House
$2,876,918 John Barrow House
$2,861,095 Bill Pascrell House
$2,811,274 Kristi Noem House
$2,776,639 Ron Barber House
$2,756,589 Jeff Denham House
$2,748,859 Edward Royce House
$2,748,358 Steve Stivers House
$2,736,873 Greg Walden House
$2,731,218 Timothy Bishop House
$2,730,570 Vern Buchanan House
$2,725,004 Spencer Bachus House
$2,704,873 Ann Wagner House
$2,687,008 Bruce Braley House
$2,672,027 Michael Fitzpatrick House
$2,647,210 Sean Duffy House
$2,614,914 Patrick Meehan House
$2,577,592 Joseph Crowley House
$2,532,626 Jerry McNerney House
$2,521,899 Janice Hahn House
$2,493,720 Suzanne Bonamici House
$2,478,710 Darrell Issa House
$2,451,268 E. Rigell House
$2,449,473 Shelley Capito House
$2,423,277 Joseph Heck House
$2,405,553 David Cicilline House
$2,397,465 Scott Garrett House
$2,388,048 James Clyburn House
$2,386,295 Tim Murphy House
$2,363,587 Ann Kirkpatrick House
$2,360,399 Jim Matheson House
$2,352,676 John Kline House
$2,342,229 Scott Tipton House
$2,341,155 Tom Price House
$2,324,473 Reid Ribble House
$2,320,196 Cory Gardner House
$2,305,144 Nancy Pelosi House
$2,304,496 Mike McIntyre House
$2,281,359 Gary Peters House
$2,278,709 Louise Slaughter House
$2,278,000 Carolyn McCarthy House
$2,263,994 Michael Grimm House
$2,257,171 Sean Maloney House
$2,251,746 Stephen Fincher House
$2,241,573 Gerald Connolly House
$2,234,892 Jim Gerlach House
$2,224,860 Dan Benishek House
$2,221,935 Garland Barr House
$2,213,218 Tom Cotton House
$2,212,530 Cheri Bustos House
$2,187,577 Christopher Gibson House
$2,167,384 Kyrsten Sinema House
$2,165,669 Nita Lowey House
$2,155,828 Julia Brownley House
$2,146,246 Ileana Ros-Lehtinen House
$2,137,065 David McKinley House
$2,133,196 John Tierney House
$2,107,794 Tom Reed House
$2,107,579 John Shimkus House
$2,085,819 John Garamendi House
$2,084,904 Rush Holt House
$2,080,014 Jon Runyan House
$2,068,331 John Mica House
$2,054,754 Denny Heck House
$2,053,544 Keith Ellison House
$2,051,306 Robert Hurt House
$2,042,739 Bill Johnson House
$2,036,017 Lee Terry House
$2,034,419 Adam Kinzinger House
$2,032,959 Daniel Maffei House
$2,018,561 John Larson House
$2,002,960 Keith Rothfus House
$1,997,478 William Owens House
$1,982,870 David Schweikert House
$1,980,080 Howard McKeon House
$1,979,017 Ron Kind House
$1,976,758 Raul Ruiz House
$1,976,106 Timothy Walz House
$1,968,862 Cathy McMorris Rodgers House
$1,948,903 Lynn Jenkins House
$1,924,285 Mike Pompeo House
$1,921,587 Mike Rogers House
$1,917,049 Ed Whitfield House
$1,894,271 Henry Waxman House
$1,878,410 Jackie Walorski House
$1,873,136 Derek Kilmer House
$1,868,760 Frank Pallone House
$1,852,611 Grace Meng House
$1,850,000 Xavier Becerra House
$1,836,756 Sander Levin House
$1,836,552 Pete Sessions House
$1,830,491 Steve Daines House
$1,826,211 Tulsi Gabbard House
$1,823,957 Steve Southerland House
$1,819,057 Todd Young House
$1,818,730 Michelle Lujan Grisham House
$1,812,860 Peter King House
$1,811,426 Mike Thompson House
$1,802,830 Pete Gallego House
$1,797,931 Bill Cassidy House
$1,793,587 Richard Neal House
$1,789,595 Pedro Pierluisi House
$1,779,731 Marsha Blackburn House
$1,779,067 Kurt Schrader House
$1,746,929 Carolyn Maloney House
$1,744,503 Lloyd Doggett House
$1,732,311 Markwayne Mullin House
$1,727,472 Lamar Smith House
$1,723,480 Kevin Yoder House
$1,720,667 Carol Shea-Porter House
$1,720,190 Phil Gingrey House
$1,718,991 Steven Horsford House
$1,706,451 Charles Dent House
$1,692,833 George Holding House
$1,687,075 Stevan Pearce House
$1,677,371 Loretta Sanchez House
$1,674,736 Bill Shuster House
$1,672,433 Henry Cuellar House
$1,658,722 Jaime Herrera Beutler House
$1,654,833 David Reichert House
$1,649,564 Doc Hastings House
$1,634,096 Chris Van Hollen House
$1,624,078 Frank Lucas House
$1,620,070 John Fleming House
$1,619,346 Tim Griffin House
$1,618,469 Richard Hudson House
$1,606,982 Niki Tsongas House
$1,606,588 Bob Goodlatte House
$1,603,549 Bill Flores House
$1,595,563 Andy Harris House
$1,577,907 Brett Guthrie House
$1,566,500 Frank LoBiondo House
$1,562,540 David Loebsack House
$1,561,331 Randy Neugebauer House
$1,551,897 Devin Nunes House
$1,550,088 Bob Gibbs House
$1,535,592 Joe Barton House
$1,535,445 Harold Rogers House
$1,534,725 Daniel Webster House
$1,533,550 Tim Walberg House
$1,526,893 John Carney House
$1,523,072 Judy Chu House
$1,520,759 Joe Courtney House
$1,517,261 Jo Ann Emerson House
$1,510,757 Robert Andrews House
$1,510,603 Vicky Hartzler House
$1,499,023 Joaquin Castro House
$1,489,802 Anna Eshoo House
$1,483,424 Blaine Luetkemeyer House
$1,483,126 Jim Costa House
$1,473,767 Tom Rice House
$1,470,455 Alan Nunnelee House
$1,461,286 Charles Rangel House
$1,456,716 Mark Takano House
$1,449,962 Jared Huffman House
$1,444,696 John Dingell House
$1,440,815 Susan Brooks House
$1,439,597 Pete Olson House
$1,439,038 Colleen Hanabusa House
$1,436,751 Steve Scalise House
$1,435,521 Chris Collins House
$1,412,229 Charles Fleischmann House
$1,408,187 C. Ruppersberger House
$1,405,685 Hakeem Jeffries House
$1,400,551 Rodney Alexander House
$1,400,451 Rodney Davis House
$1,399,363 H. Griffith House
$1,395,068 Joe Garcia House
$1,385,894 Kevin Brady House
$1,375,457 Kay Granger House
$1,371,507 Larry Bucshon House
$1,362,710 Randy Hultgren House
$1,361,753 Matthew Cartwright House
$1,361,048 Justin Amash House
$1,359,430 Nick Rahall House
$1,359,236 Randy Weber House
$1,357,981 Sam Graves House
$1,356,321 Rick Larsen House
$1,351,218 Paul Broun House
$1,350,902 Janice Schakowsky House
$1,350,630 K. Conaway House
$1,339,446 Eric Crawford House
$1,334,027 Lou Barletta House
$1,333,331 Peter DeFazio House
$1,333,321 Adam Schiff House
$1,325,479 Kevin Cramer House
$1,324,340 Michael McCaul House
$1,321,362 Leonard Lance House
$1,321,278 Todd Rokita House
$1,315,897 David Valadao House
$1,314,808 Mark Amodei House
$1,312,424 Joseph Pitts House
$1,292,268 John Campbell House
$1,290,956 Sanford Bishop House
$1,282,757 Matt Salmon House
$1,273,981 Dina Titus House
$1,271,829 Gary Miller House
$1,264,885 Glenn Thompson House
$1,264,258 Theodore Deutch House
$1,260,459 Scott DesJarlais House
$1,257,013 Patrick McHenry House
$1,252,092 Richard Nolan House
$1,248,945 Robert Aderholt House
$1,248,412 Jack Kingston House
$1,238,300 John Lewis House
$1,232,450 Michael Turner House
$1,222,006 Michael Michaud House
$1,219,902 Marc Veasey House
$1,213,185 Jim Cooper House
$1,210,251 Alan Lowenthal House
$1,208,368 Bennie Thompson House
$1,205,400 Terri Sewell House
$1,200,026 Michael Simpson House
$1,191,743 Tom McClintock House
$1,185,142 Earl Blumenauer House
$1,180,463 William Enyart House
$1,179,677 Tom Graves House
$1,175,608 Rosa DeLauro House
$1,167,292 Barbara Lee House
$1,166,947 Luke Messer House
$1,163,154 Adrian Smith House
$1,155,959 James Lankford House
$1,155,959 Ron DeSantis House
$1,155,799 Emanuel Cleaver House
$1,153,511 Blake Farenthold House
$1,153,420 Mark Pocan House
$1,150,701 Paul Gosar House
$1,150,009 Marcy Kaptur House
$1,149,924 Jared Polis House
$1,146,862 Mike Kelly House
$1,145,880 Adam Smith House
$1,141,280 David Price House
$1,140,567 Jo Bonner House
$1,136,768 Sam Johnson House
$1,129,343 Collin Peterson House
$1,125,304 Jerrold Nadler House
$1,124,042 André Carson House
$1,114,641 Austin Scott House
$1,113,284 Mark Meadows House
$1,111,742 Robert Latta House
$1,103,439 James Langevin House
$1,102,858 Ben Luján House
$1,102,047 James Moran House
$1,101,628 Rodney Frelinghuysen House
$1,096,522 Thomas Rooney House
$1,096,315 Richard Hanna House
$1,092,129 Mac Thornberry House
$1,091,666 Edward Markey House
$1,091,573 Ken Calvert House
$1,091,197 Frank Wolf House
$1,091,162 Brian Higgins House
$1,089,631 Thomas Massie House
$1,086,870 Renee Ellmers House
$1,078,119 Jim Jordan House
$1,077,552 J. Forbes House
$1,075,806 Juan Vargas House
$1,069,891 Mike Rogers House
$1,068,822 James McGovern House
$1,068,816 Steve Chabot House
$1,068,123 Trey Radel House
$1,067,726 Lynn Westmoreland House
$1,066,724 Bill Huizenga House
$1,062,606 Eliot Engel House
$1,061,105 William Keating House
$1,054,607 Michael Burgess House
$1,051,652 Bill Posey House
$1,051,538 Diana DeGette House
$1,048,195 Linda Sánchez House
$1,044,468 John Conyers House
$1,040,707 C. Young House
$1,035,717 Martha Roby House
$1,030,165 Joe Wilson House
$1,025,611 Ed Pastor House
$1,024,608 Chellie Pingree House
$1,020,415 Kathy Castor House
$1,016,546 Tom Cole House
$1,015,733 Brad Wenstrup House
$1,012,295 Gene Green House
$1,010,367 John Sarbanes House
$1,003,532 Don Young House
$1,000,849 John Yarmuth House
$991,385 Tim Ryan House
$986,170 Duncan Hunter House
$976,669 David Scott House
$974,899 Paul Tonko House
$972,460 Virginia Foxx House
$969,474 Jackie Speier House
$966,271 Ted Poe House
$960,107 Marlin Stutzman House
$952,655 David Joyce House
$950,387 Robert Wittman House
$950,026 Peter Welch House
$937,451 Cedric Richmond House
$934,966 Gregg Harper House
$932,788 Steve Womack House
$931,990 Betty McCollum House
$926,893 Steven Palazzo House
$924,152 Billy Long House
$909,487 Michael Capuano House
$908,544 Raúl Grijalva House
$908,449 Doris Matsui House
$904,753 Mo Brooks House
$901,274 George Butterfield House
$900,844 Michael Honda House
$894,184 Filemon Vela House
$885,684 John Carter House
$883,780 Dennis Ross House
$872,995 Doug LaMalfa House
$870,614 Michael Doyle House
$866,835 Wm. Clay House
$858,985 Zoe Lofgren House
$857,538 Tim Huelskamp House
$852,973 Mario Diaz-Balart House
$852,387 Melvin Watt House
$844,097 Tony Cárdenas House
$842,045 John Culberson House
$831,886 Steve Cohen House
$830,196 Raúl Labrador House
$829,632 Kenny Marchant House
$827,493 Tom Marino House
$826,186 Eric Swalwell House
$825,518 Daniel Lipinski House
$823,446 Gwen Moore House
$812,493 Joyce Beatty House
$807,595 Jason Chaffetz House
$798,055 Mick Mulvaney House
$795,483 Elijah Cummings House
$788,056 Donna Edwards House
$785,240 Peter Visclosky House
$781,233 Jim Bridenstine House
$780,887 Doug Collins House
$779,237 Eddie Johnson House
$758,988 Gus Bilirakis House
$746,273 Robert Brady House
$743,699 Thomas Petri House
$743,547 George Miller House
$742,347 Louie Gohmert House
$740,897 Gregory Meeks House
$735,679 Sam Farr House
$731,601 Jeff Miller House
$729,888 Maxine Waters House
$729,836 Stephen Lynch House
$728,767 Trey Gowdy House
$728,591 Mike Quigley House
$726,003 Yvette Clarke House
$721,598 Daniel Kildee House
$721,044 Doug Lamborn House
$716,405 Walter Jones House
$715,314 Cynthia Lummis House
$706,756 David Roe House
$698,728 Jeff Duncan House
$698,414 Jeff Fortenberry House
$692,989 Karen Bass House
$689,197 Marcia Fudge House
$685,661 Beto O'Rourke House
$683,986 Ted Yoho House
$674,524 Nydia Velázquez House
$674,170 Candice Miller House
$663,827 Albio Sires House
$658,474 Christopher Smith House
$652,963 Alcee Hastings House
$650,922 John Duncan House
$647,372 Susan Davis House
$615,072 Corrine Brown House
$611,670 Jim McDermott House
$611,327 Donald Payne House
$610,014 Paul Cook House
$600,551 Richard Nugent House
$600,451 Sheila Jackson Lee House
$592,033 Rubén Hinojosa House
$589,851 Ralph Hall House
$588,812 Kerry Bentivolio House
$581,440 Lucille Roybal-Allard House
$554,920 F. Sensenbrenner House
$554,638 Chaka Fattah House
$543,227 Ander Crenshaw House
$540,770 Grace Napolitano House
$538,093 Chris Stewart House
$534,032 Frederica Wilson House
$531,611 Howard Coble House
$529,958 Scott Perry House
$498,765 Bobby Rush House
$493,392 Dana Rohrabacher House
$451,466 Robert Scott House
$448,223 Henry Johnson House
$407,300 Rob Woodall House
$378,998 Trent Franks House
$372,392 Steve Stockman House
$372,212 Danny Davis House
$353,367 Rob Bishop House
$352,550 Gloria Negrete McLeod House
$351,713 Al Green House
$344,315 Luis Gutierrez House
$332,288 Eleanor Norton House
$330,274 Donna Christensen House
$254,070 Madeleine Bordallo House
$212,068 José Serrano House
$111,145 Gregorio Sablan House
$110,570 Eni Faleomavaega House
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And how exactly is that going to happen? There is no way .gov will go to a flat tax or national sales tax type system. How then could they raise taxes on the evil rich without raising them on everyone? Last time I checked .gov implements the tax code, yet blame the rich for using loop holes. Without class warfare what do politicians have to keep the masses in fighting?
The top 5% owns the politicians.
You dont have to worry about them.
The rest of us including you and me are not so lucky.
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That was a long list.
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I havent heard about this is it this one:
3. Higher Medicare taxes
For those making over $200,000 ($250,000 if married), their Medicare taxes will go up on their wages and, for the first time, their investment income will be subject to a Medicare tax as well.
On wages: They will pay another 0.9 percentage points of Medicare tax on wage income over $200,000 ($250,000 if married). That's on top of the 1.45% Medicare tax that they must pay on all their wages (or 2.9% if they're self-employed).
So, for example, a single bank executive making $500,000 in wages - which is $300,000 above the applicable threshold - would have to pay an additional $2,700 in Medicare taxes (0.9% x $300,000)
http://money.cnn.com/2014/02/20/pf/taxes/rich-taxes/
Shit yeah I actually forgot about that one. I was talking about the additional 3.8% surtax on Net Investment Income that's tacked on to the additional 5% to the top rate for qualified dividends and capital gains. So the guy in your example. his long term capital gains tax went from 15% to 23.8% in one year.
but yeah then they also added that .9% on to their wages over $200K....and they decreased phaseouts for itemized, and they decreased phaseouts for a bunch of credits. but they didn't "increase taxes"........... but people are going to have to pay a bunch more in taxes.
again. the IRS will never come at us with an axe. they will chip away at us with razor blades.
the problem is that when you look at each tax individually, you say "who cares?" "it's so little" but throw 10-15 of those "little taxes" together over a span of 10 years and you have some very large tax increases .
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Go back to Regan era rates and close some, if not all loopholes. There it is. Rocket science.
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Shit yeah I actually forgot about that one. I was talking about the additional 3.8% surtax on Net Investment Income that's tacked on to the additional 5% to the top rate for qualified dividends and capital gains. So the guy in your example. his long term capital gains tax went from 15% to 23.8% in one year.
but yeah then they also added that .9% on to their wages over $200K....and they decreased phaseouts for itemized, and they decreased phaseouts for a bunch of credits. but they didn't "increase taxes"........... but people are going to have to pay a bunch more in taxes.
again. the IRS will never come at us with an axe. they will chip away at us with razor blades.
the problem is that when you look at each tax individually, you say "who cares?" "it's so little" but throw 10-15 of those "little taxes" together over a span of 10 years and you have some very large tax increases .
We often disagree but i like talking taxes with you. You seem to know your stuff.
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We often disagree but i like talking taxes with you. You seem to know your stuff.
thanks dude.