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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Hulk-smash! on April 15, 2015, 10:06:27 AM
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http://www.evolutionary.org/how-testosterone-supplementation-shuts-down-hpta/
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how about explaining it in your own easy to understand words?
What's that, you can't?
Then shut the fuck up about something you know absolutely nothing about.
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Fuck Off!
Hey if you wanna screw your body up for the rest of your life - Be My Guest!
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how about explaining it in your own easy to understand words?
What's that, you can't?
Then shut the fuck up about something you know absolutely nothing about.
Ok doctor ritch. ::)
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Fuck Off!
Hey if you wanna screw your body up for the rest of your life - Be My Guest!
really, what if blood work says you're wrong???
So fuck you pussy boy.
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Markus laughs at your thesis...
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/markus-ruhl-2012-fibo_0.jpg)
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Ok doctor ritch. ::)
nice contribution, totally solves the problems in this thread.
They should make you a mod.
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Markus laughs at your thesis...
(http://www.flexonline.com/sites/flexonline.com/files/markus-ruhl-2012-fibo_0.jpg)
I'm sure Mike Matarazzo, Don Youngblood, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva, The Mentzer Bros., Sonny Schmidt, Swolecat, etc., etc.. ALL died of "natural causes". Your stupid as shit if you think that & I"m sure you do. Dumbass.
Yea, Cormier looks healthy to me ::), so do Platz & Prince yea...real ambassadors of bodybuilding ::) ::)
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Those guys were pro's, took extreme doses for long times.
Try making a point that has some relevance to real life users bud.
I don't expect a reply anytime soon as I know you can't make a post as I ask. So... Fuck you, once again you stupid ass ignorant troll.
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As I said a dumbass response from a DUMBASS! Hey don't listen to me or a few hundred death certificates go ahead & fuck up your endocrine, circulatory, lymphatic, excretory systems just as those "extreme" examples did you'll just do it at a somewhat slower rate. You might or might not die but after numerous cycles of endogenous hormonal suppression you'll end up at the least looking dead or wishing you were. Either way I won't give a shit.
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I'm sure Mike Matarazzo, Don Youngblood, Casey Viator, Sergio Oliva, The Mentzer Bros., Sonny Schmidt, Swolecat, etc., etc.. ALL died of "natural causes". Your stupid as shit if you think that & I"m sure you do. Dumbass.
Yea, Cormier looks healthy to me ::), so do Platz & Prince yea...real ambassadors of bodybuilding ::) ::)
When they're hiding their legs with sweatpants like that, it's a pretty clear signal.
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The Barbarian Bros. refused to be photographed in shorts. One of those idiots got arrested for trespassing a while back.
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The Barbarian Bros. refused to be photographed in shorts. One of those idiots got arrested for trespassing a while back.
I don't think shorts was their look. They trained in jeans, boots and heavy clothing. They did have their legs showing in the movies they did.
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It's ok. We're all 100% natural since our last jabs.
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At the very least & as insane as it sounds in this totally insane world steroids don't work. There isn't a single double-blind clinical study to prove they do & thousands of studies proving how destructive they are. Casey Viator was never larger/stronger than 100% natural w/ Jones then he went to socal w/ Mentzers & got on 3gr/day and never won another contest. Then he died.
Again from the great Arthur Jones >
Insofar as I can determine, there is no known drug that will improve the performance, or increase the muscular mass, of a healthy individual. Furthermore, I would like to go record at this point by stating…”I do not believe that such drug will ever be discovered. I think that such a result from any chemical is impossible.”
I am fully aware that some drugs can improve the condition of a weakened individual, in cases of sickness or accident…but I also believe that a state of normal health is possible only in the presence of a very delicate chemical balance that is regulated automatically by the system. If any chemical is added for the purpose of upsetting this balance, the result can only be counterproductive.
In effect, there is no such thing as a “super chemical balance”…if the chemical balance is normal, you are healthy…if not, you are sick…and it matters not whether the state of imbalance is produced by too much or too little of a practical chemical. This has been proven repeatedly in literally thousands of tests conducted with animal subjects, and no slightest evidence exists in support of an opposite result with either animal of human subjects.
Certain hormones will help add muscular mass to a steer, or a gelding…but they will NOT produce the same result with a bull or a stallion. When an animal has been castrated, removing the testicles produces an abnormal situation where normal growth is impossible, giving such an animal the hormone drugs merely tends to restore a normal situation, a situation that would have existed naturally if the animal had not been castrated.
In such cases you are merely removing something and then trying to replace it in another manner; first creating a subnormal condition and then trying to restore normal health.
Yet the widespread bias in favor of such so called “growth drugs” borders on hysteria. Even suggesting that the use of these drugs is anything less than necessary automatically labels you a fool in some circles. And there is certainly no doubt that a lot of people are being fooled on this subject; but you can NOT fool your endocrine system, and when you add an un-required chemical for the purpose of disturbing a normal balance, you are NOT improving the situation.
Pointing to recent strength records as proof of the value of such drugs actually proves nothing. The fact remains that the single strongest human recorded in history established his records long before the drugs were ever used. Paul Anderson established records prior to 1958 that have never been approached and androgenic-anabolic drugs were apparently first used in athletic circles in 1960.
Bob Peoples established a deadlift record thirty years ago, lifting nearly 800 pounds at a bodyweight of approximately 180; today, a very few individuals have reached or passed that level of performance…but most of them weigh nearly twice as much as he did, and some of them weigh more than twice as much.
Men who establish such records are merely statistical standouts, literally genetic freaks; they are NOT the products of drugs, regardless of their opinions on the subject.
Great strength is a result of two factors…(1) individual potential, which cannot be improved…and (2) hard training, which will increase the strength of almost anybody.
But a third factor exists as a prerequisite…NORMAL HEALTH, without which, reaching the limits of potential strength is simply impossible. So you can improve a sick individual in some cases, but you can NOT turn a normal individual into a superman by chemical means. Such a result is impossible, and ridiculous on the face of it.
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Actually, the dangers of TRT doses are slim to none while the benefits are great!
The dose is the poison but even at 600 mg a week, they proved to be very safe, even for cholesterol values.
If you want to compare drugs, try taking 10 times the recommended amount of Tylenol for years and years and years (like pros do with steroids) and see how you feel. Say hello to the hole replacing your stomach for me while you are there will you?
Alcool, smoking, not working out, eating sugars and crap is way worse for longevity imo.
Science to the rescue!
http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Wayne_Hellstrom/publication/8363342_Testosterone_replacement_therapy/links/00b7d514870d38a0f5000000.pdf
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172.short
The last one is a double blind placebo controlled study that proves they work in healthy individuals...
This one sums up all research done on the subject:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.2165/00007256-200434080-00003#page-1
Arthur Jones??? Tell me you's trollin'???
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You can't directly screw w/ the endocrine system.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0085805
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
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You can't directly screw w/ the endocrine system.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0085805
Interesting article! I saw it briefly when I heard many people suing pharmceutical companies for heart related even using TRT. That study must have started it.
You forgot to mention:
Study showed a statisticaly strong correlation for men with a "pre-existing, diagnosed heart condition". All other correlation were weak. The risk also grows with age, which hints to two things: giving out of shape older man TRT making their blood viscous is not a good idea if not accompanied by physical training, the older you get, the more chance you have of having heart issue.
Doctors prescribing TRT to people with pre-existing heart condition are moron and they deserve to get sued.
No one is saying TRT is 100% safe: nothing is! The risk is mild in most studies and as long as you check your RBC, E2, HDL/LDL, you should be fine.
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
That pic of Sansone is from approx. 1940 a good 20yrs before CIBA released methandrostenolone. Imagine that a physique THAT impressive built naturally?? He must have been part of some OSS secret science experiment. ::)
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http://www.evolutionary.org/how-testosterone-supplementation-shuts-down-hpta/
You still 240lbs at 5'8ft and 15% body fat all natural? ??? ::)
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OP == Juicemachine == Anabolichalo.
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You still 240lbs at 5'8ft and 15% body fat all natural? ??? ::)
Yes. I'm 5'8, 240lbs 100% natural & approx. 15%bf no more than 18% at the very most. I was 213lbs last Oct 1, 2014. Here's a pic of me at 130lbs in 1988.
I was 215lbs in the bottom pic at a higher bodyfat level. Again is my last testosterone lab test.
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Yes. I'm 5'8, 240lbs approx. 15%bf no more than 18% at the very most. I was 213lbs last Oct 1, 2014. Here's a pic of me at 130lbs in 1988.
Difficult to tell from a pic in which you're fully clothed with your back to the camera....but....you look pretty fat in it.
You'd be under 200lbs at 15%.
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Think whatever you want I couldn't care less. Neck 18in.
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Think whatever you want I couldn't care less.
you are 22% BF in that pic at best.
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If you look carefully in The Green Lantern I'm an extra in the rooftop party scene where you can see me compared to avg. people. I still have my paysheet from the production co..
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you are 22% BF in that pic at best.
Not even an MD could make that certain of an estimation from a pic. Your full of shit.
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Think whatever you want I couldn't care less.
Why not try it out? Go on a diet and get try to get lean (under 10% body fat). See how heavy you end up.
160lbs would be my guess.
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See previous comment. ^
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See previous comment. ^
You've admitted you have 46 inch hips. ::)
If true, that makes you a fat fuck bro. :-\
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570529.0;attach=611499;image)
Hungry bum.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570529.0;attach=611499;image)
Hungry bum.
A "fat" hungry bum huh?
I'm sure Thorvildsen heard comments about his 44in butt too & also couldn't care less. The internet is soo filled w/ little pussy kids hiding behind keyboards.
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Lol!
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Not even an MD could make that certain of an estimation from a pic. Your full of shit.
You did.
Do you even lift?
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A "fat" hungry bum huh?
I'm sure Thorvildsen heard comments about his 44in butt too & also couldn't care less. The internet is soo filled w/ little pussy kids hiding behind keyboards.
You misunderstand. A hungry bum has nothing to do with its size, and everything to do with the way your shorts are disappearing up your ass crack like your butt hole is a hungry hungry hippo.
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You misunderstand. A hungry bum has nothing to do with its size, and everything to do with the way your shorts are disappearing up your ass crack like your butt hole is a hungry hungry hippo.
a sign of chaffing thighs.
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Do you even lift bra?
8)
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I just argued with a retard...
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nice contribution, totally solves the problems in this thread.
They should make you a mod.
thanks buddy, please get your nose out of my ass tho. :-*
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What's with people posting here, starting arguments... who don't even lift?
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As I said a dumbass response from a DUMBASS! Hey don't listen to me or a few hundred death certificates go ahead & fuck up your endocrine, circulatory, lymphatic, excretory systems just as those "extreme" examples did you'll just do it at a somewhat slower rate. You might or might not die but after numerous cycles of endogenous hormonal suppression you'll end up at the least looking dead or wishing you were. Either way I won't give a shit.
lol wtf is an excretory system? I must have missed that one in Biology
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excretory_system
Next DUMBASS?
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go away and post this nonsense on City-Data Forum
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excretory_system
Next DUMBASS?
Those of us who have been to college know this as a combination of the digestive system and urinary system.
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So juicehead internet pussy club isn't going to dispute the "excretory" system existence????
I'll take the stupidity of the ^ above response as a definite no.
Again...next dumbass(s)???
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You lost punk...face it.
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endocrine, circulatory, lymphatic, excretory systems
I made no distinction between individual systems that I can see from the above cut/paste.
Happy juicin G.
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Also please show me where I claimed to be ripped "DOG"?
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god dammit I think this tren is making me more susceptible to trolling. I would normally just observe that you used the term "excretory system" and immediately determine you have no credibility, but here I am trying to prove to a retard how retarded he is. I guess you are right. I did lose. fuck.
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Also please show me where I claimed to be ripped "DOG"?
you will never be ripped in your life.
fat gene of peace.
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I'll say this after 12 weeks of blasting my bp and my blood work all game back excellent. I really is genetics and the luck of the draw. In this sick twisted world children get all kinds of cancer when you see 60 year old homeless junkies still kicking
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Problem is guys dont read about shit before they put shit in their bodies. Biggest trend is these idiots running caber with tren, last time I checked there is still no scientific date showing that tren raises prolactin.
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Why are you here mate?
You dont even workout and
Your against steroids.
Seriously theres other forums for guys like you.
This one isnt for you
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Don't let Juruth see this picture, Crea4life!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570529.0;attach=611501;image)
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I'll say this after 12 weeks of blasting my bp and my blood work all game back excellent. I really is genetics and the luck of the draw. In this sick twisted world children get all kinds of cancer when you see 60 year old homeless junkies still kicking
age and consistency plays a huge part. Tom Prince didn't blow out his kidneys doing his first show or even his 9th....eventually things will catch up.
But we're talking heavy IFBB pro life style here not some guy more or less carrying normal body weight and shooting up 200/400mg a week. What you do aside from that is a deal breaker IMHO....I know two guys who juiced heavily (personally) worked the doors one drank heavily almost every night and the other was into recs...both are fucked healthwise now, one with heart the other with kidneys.
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That pic of Sansone is from approx. 1940 a good 20yrs before CIBA released methandrostenolone. Imagine that a physique THAT impressive built naturally?? He must have been part of some OSS secret science experiment. ::)
sansone was in the steroid era born 1935 died 1974.... competed from 1954 to 1963... when he died it was said that some of his training partners were afraid for their own mortality.... you might be thinking of tony sansone a bodybuilder from the 30's and 40's.
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Its a fact steroids will not increase muscle growth anymore than they'll make you taller or change your eye color. Arthur Jones proved this w/ 19yr old Casey Viator. There has never been a single clinical study to the contrary & there never will be. As the quote I posted earlier explained in detail. Outstanding bodybuilders are no different than any other outstanding athelete (e.g., baseball's Mickey Mantel, football's Joe Namath, basketball's Michael Jordan, etc., etc.). These men are born NOT made. You can't screw w/ the endocrine system w/out the body retaliating & paying a high price eventually. Once endogenous suppression has been suppressed for an extended period of time through the use of exogenous hormones natural production is never quite the same & in alot of cases never restarts even w/ repeated use of HCG.
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Its a fact steroids will not increase muscle growth anymore than they'll make you taller or change your eye color. Arthur Jones proved this w/ 19yr old Casey Viator. There has never been a single clinical study to the contrary & there never will be. As the quote I posted earlier explained in detail. Outstanding bodybuilders are no different than any other outstanding athelete (e.g., baseball's Mickey Mantel, football's Joe Namath, basketball's Michael Jordan, etc., etc.). These men are born NOT made. You can't screw w/ the endocrine system w/out the body retaliating & paying a high price eventually. Once endogenous suppression has been suppressed for an extended period of time through the use of exogenous hormones natural production is never quite the same & in alot of cases never restarts even w/ repeated use of HCG.
::) :-\ ???
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Show me the double blind clinical study which proves me wrong. Not anecdotal evidence of guys who could live off white bread w/ tapwater & look the same. I've seen it too many times. If any goddam fool wants to screw his body up be my guest.
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OP please post a pic of you holding a coffee cup upside down with a thumbs up.
Should be easy to do after posting medical test results and pics after your first squat session in '88.
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Wow.
I can't hardly... (hardly) believe that this type of garbage is being printed in this forum.
Unbelievable.
Steroids didn't work for Tom Prince, did they?
To say that steroids do not increase muscle mass is insanity.
To say that steroids don't work because they cause long term health issues is just an ignorant way of expressing something that doesn't need to be so moronically subjective, like this: Steroids cause massive increases in muscle mass. They do it very quickly. There are long-term side effects and these side effects are manifesting themselves more and more each day as our competitive professional bodybuilders age.
Exactly what mechanism the side effects manifest themselves in an adverse way is not completely known at this time. There is much confusion because although steroids in supraphysiologic doses can be a problem especially in younger men, there is a dosing regimen that (at this time) has proven to be quite safe for aging men. This is more often known as TRT or HRT.
Here's the rub. It is pretty much deemed "unethical" to study steroids at supraphysiologic doses in younger men at this time. So... the "controlled" studies (which are the only ones that matter) are NOT being done.
Also, because most competitive athletes are using a multitude of drugs, there would have to be a breakdown on synergies between nearly every concoction one could think of. Again: Unethical and nearly impossible. Who would fund such a study?
So, what do we end up with?
Empirical data. "He said, she said" ... Youtube videos, posts on forums.... whispering bullshit at the gyms...
What should one study prior to using steroids? Hmmmmmm.... a bodybuilding book like the Anabolic Reference Guide? There really aren't any Physician's manuals on "steroidology"
So, here we end up, in stupid land.
May as well put Marc against Bocephus again.
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Its a fact steroids will not increase muscle growth anymore than they'll make you taller or change your eye color. Arthur Jones proved this w/ 19yr old Casey Viator. There has never been a single clinical study to the contrary & there never will be. As the quote I posted earlier explained in detail. Outstanding bodybuilders are no different than any other outstanding athelete (e.g., baseball's Mickey Mantel, football's Joe Namath, basketball's Michael Jordan, etc., etc.). These men are born NOT made. You can't screw w/ the endocrine system w/out the body retaliating & paying a high price eventually. Once endogenous suppression has been suppressed for an extended period of time through the use of exogenous hormones natural production is never quite the same & in alot of cases never restarts even w/ repeated use of HCG.
bahaha hahahahahahaha ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Dr. John Ziegler, physician for the U.S. Olympic Weightlifting team (i.e. the York team), described in interviews of learning about the Soviet use of testosterone injections at the 1954 World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria in October of that year. Some time after returning home, Ziegler convinced York affiliated lifters John Grimek, Jim Park and Yaz Kuzahara to be test subjects and receive testosterone injections (oral testosterone was known to be clinically ineffective by that time). By Grimek's account, the results were disappointing. In a private letter, dated at the time, Grimek spoke of seeing nothing in the way of gains and quiting the injections because he felt he was actually regressing. Jim Park received only one injection which he claimed did nothing for him physically, but made him incredibly horny. It is unclear as to Kuzahara's experience but, in any case, it was not positive enough to warrant continued use and further experimentation was ceased. In light of the terrible side effects that Ziegler had heard of and witnessed Soviet users suffering, and lack of significant results in his own test subjects, no further experimentation with testosterone was tried by the York (U.S.) Weightlifting team for the duration of the 1950s.
Dbol's edema effect was mistaken (and still is by idiots) as a lbm increase. Its funny how Winstrol or Deca are "cutting" steroids since they don't cause bloat & Dbol/Anadrol-50 are "mass" steroids as they're liver toxic effect is simple edema. Same as creatine monohydrate is still used by the masses instead of ethyl ester for the same reason.
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LOL!!!
some quality trolling today...
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Dr. John Ziegler, physician for the U.S. Olympic Weightlifting team (i.e. the York team), described in interviews of learning about the Soviet use of testosterone injections at the 1954 World Weightlifting Championships in Vienna, Austria in October of that year. Some time after returning home, Ziegler convinced York affiliated lifters John Grimek, Jim Park and Yaz Kuzahara to be test subjects and receive testosterone injections (oral testosterone was known to be clinically ineffective by that time). By Grimek's account, the results were disappointing. In a private letter, dated at the time, Grimek spoke of seeing nothing in the way of gains and quiting the injections because he felt he was actually regressing. Jim Park received only one injection which he claimed did nothing for him physically, but made him incredibly horny. It is unclear as to Kuzahara's experience but, in any case, it was not positive enough to warrant continued use and further experimentation was ceased. In light of the terrible side effects that Ziegler had heard of and witnessed Soviet users suffering, and lack of significant results in his own test subjects, no further experimentation with testosterone was tried by the York (U.S.) Weightlifting team for the duration of the 1950s.
Dbol's edema effect was mistaken (and still is by idiots) as a lbm increase. Its funny how Winstrol or Deca are "cutting" steroids since they don't cause bloat & Dbol/Anadrol-50 are "mass" steroids as they're liver toxic effect is simple edema. Same as creatine monohydrate is still used by the masses instead of ethyl ester for the same reason.
grimek actually said that in order for the steroids to work you had to stimulate the muscles by at least lifting weights, steroids alone do not work but accompanied by proper nutrition and a sound weightlifting program, they work wonders ask this guy...
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More anecdotal BS.
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LOL!!!
some quality trolling today...
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Obviously a troll.
Looks like Junior found some pics again and is posting.
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the op and two other accounts in this thread are junior
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The total & complete absence of GB pro-juice incredible physique pics says all there is to say.
The biggest lie connected w/ steroids is the same tired bullshit line of "I could be as big/muscular as _____ if I used steroids but I'm such a good honest law abiding christian I resist the temptation". Then the same liar hypocrite smokes MJ, drinks booze, screws around (or tries to) on his wife, beats his kids, lies everyday, steals, etc., etc..
Again for the thousandth+ time >
Great strength or muscular development is a result of two factors…(1) individual potential, which cannot be improved…and (2) hard training, which will increase the strength/build of almost anybody. But a third factor exists as a prerequisite…NORMAL HEALTH, without which, reaching the limits of potential strength is simply impossible. So you can improve a sick individual in some cases, but you can NOT turn a normal individual into a superman by chemical means. Such a result is impossible, and ridiculous on the face of it.
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Its a fact steroids will not increase muscle growth anymore than they'll make you taller or change your eye color. Arthur Jones proved this w/ 19yr old Casey Viator. There has never been a single clinical study to the contrary & there never will be. As the quote I posted earlier explained in detail. Outstanding bodybuilders are no different than any other outstanding athelete (e.g., baseball's Mickey Mantel, football's Joe Namath, basketball's Michael Jordan, etc., etc.). These men are born NOT made. You can't screw w/ the endocrine system w/out the body retaliating & paying a high price eventually. Once endogenous suppression has been suppressed for an extended period of time through the use of exogenous hormones natural production is never quite the same & in alot of cases never restarts even w/ repeated use of HCG.
Actually mantle was one of the first players to start using testosterone IMO, if you find old photos of the guy there are certain times where you could see it in his physique..... Neck was much thicker..forearms....wat ch the movie 61. Those magic "shots" he was getting were testosterone injections IMO.
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Anecdote strike again. That was cortisone & narcotic pain med injections because he suffered from osteomyelitis.
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Problem is guys dont read about shit before they put shit in their bodies. Biggest trend is these idiots running caber with tren, last time I checked there is still no scientific date showing that tren raises prolactin.
Exactly. Even the supposed experts on various forums don't know what the fuck they are talking about and their "research" is pathetic. 99% off all juicers know very little about the stuff they put in their bodies, and this includes all top amateurs and pros and of course even the top gurus. Most people just aren't interested in the technicalities and just follow the whatever trends are popular at the moment.
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The OP is obviously retarded but for the sake of sanity, they work, period, even at low doses:
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Should have known.
I will truly never understand why someone would have to create multiple accounts to talk to themselves.
That is undeniably sad. Pathetic, actually.
I guess it would be like calling a friend (if you had one) and telling them you will pay them to post a response on your Facebook page... because nobody else will.
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Pro-steroids posters please explain the untimely death steroid guru(s) Dan Duchaine & Paul Borrenson???
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Pro-steroids posters please explain the untimely death f steroid guru(s) Dan Duchaine & Paul Borrenson???
man you're dumb.
Do you have any idea how much those guys used, nothing even close to what anyone here will ever do.
Keep trying dipshit....
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Still waiting on those 5% bf 20" arm pics......
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Still waiting on those 5% bf 20" arm pics......
Still waiting on the 80 kilo barbell curl video big June bug.
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Still waiting on the 80 kilo barbell curl video big June bug.
Yup.
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Anecdotal or not.
op. Steroids don't work.??
Try explaining that to the Countless number of Sports men & women
In virtually all Sports that have used them.
Steroids don't work.??
Then why are there drug tests in sports, & users who are caught banned.
Clearly all steroid users are wrong & all medical people are wrong for
Prescribing them to many different patients to help Anabolism &
Prevent Muscle waisting in Patients.
op. Your not for steroid usage & Believe they don't / won't work,
That's Good For You.
The Rest of us Poor Misguided People will continue to live in the Real World
With our Clearly Not Working Steroids.
Be Happy.
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Steroids work. Just not worth it unless you're a pro athlete or a movie star getting a million plus pay day.
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Pro-steroids posters please explain the untimely death steroid guru(s) Dan Duchaine & Paul Borrenson???
Yes both died at young ages.
It's possible Excessive steroid usage played a part in their Deaths.
Dan Duchaine his death is attributed to Polycystic Fibrosis, kidney Desease.
Paul Borreson His death is attributed to an overdose of pain killing meds.
Possible that Nubian / morphine were involved.
HTH.
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All this vast pharmacological knowledge & still not a single 19", 5% bf pic. As I said says all I need to know.
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All this vast pharmacological knowledge & still not a single 19", 5% bf pic. As I said says all I need to know.
What's the relevance of a 19 inch arm at 5% in this discussion?
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Come on guys, the OP is just fucking around. It isn't even half serious.
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Ok, someone post a pic of an impressive physique built using PEDs, juice, slin, hgh, etc.. Since the whole PEDs hysteria is based on the mistaken conclusion that the higher a person's hormone level the better they'll perform & a high % of GB'ers supposedly use PEDs this shouldn't be hard to accomplish.
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Ok, someone post a pic of an impressive physique built using PEDs, juice, slun, hgh, etc.. Since the whole PEDs hysteria is based on the mistaken conclusion that the higher a person's hormone level the better they'll perform & a high % of GB'ers supposedly use PEDs this shouldn't be hard to accomplish.
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Yes both died at young ages. & it's possible excessive steroid usage played a part in their deaths.
Since the male body only produces 27mg of testosterone per day & since the avg steroid user uses at least 200mg per day ^ this is like saying a driver in a one car accident "may" have died as a result of reckless driving since he was driving 125mph. Jeez... ::)
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I think you and STEROIDSR4LOSERS would get on.
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To put this another way if testosterone is THE end all be all of human growth then how can a 100% natural avg (non training) man naturally grow to 6ft tall, 250lbs @ 15% bodyfat? Ever since Dr John Bosley Ziegler & CIBA laboratories briefly experimented (then discontinued the research @ York due to the total lack of results) due to what I conclude as the psychological/emotional (confidence primarily) & ultimately placebo effect of various synthetic versions (each attempting to emphasize the anabolic properties more than the androgenic) is the only reason why this total insanity continues. I won't deny in some people that steroids very, very briefly (until the body lowers its own endogenous hormone production which happens fairly quickly) in a sporting competition will give a slight edge (e.g., a kilogram in weightlifting, a .5 sec in a timed event). I believe ^ that same edge could be accomplished via other non-medical means such as hypnotherapy, meditation & ultimately superior coaching. I am absolutely convinced that in regards to something as totally stupid as a bodybuilding competition synthetic versions of testosterone will in no legitimate medical physiological process enhance or increase protein synthesis in a long-term setting. Again, briefly positively raising the intracellular nitrogen balance will not necessarily increase the degree/amount of anabolism which results as a result of strength training.
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truths from an early user, bill batrad...
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truths from an early user, bill batrad...
Ok, what have steroids done for YOU, not someone else's supposed story.
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Aug-2014-AARR-Eric-Helms-Article.pdf
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So your Fank Zane? A man who would look like ^ that regardless of what he put into his body. These people are born NOT made through chemical means.
Still waiting for all the GB'ers who juice to post their pics....
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I'll say this after 12 weeks of blasting my bp and my blood work all game back excellent. I really is genetics and the luck of the draw. In this sick twisted world children get all kinds of cancer when you see 60 year old homeless junkies still kicking
you said in another thread that you were at about a gram of gear give or take for your contest.
that is not blasting my friend. thats just running gear.
theres cruising which is under 500mg
running 500-1500mg
blasting 1500+
IMO at least.
i mean 1500mg might seem like a lot but it isnt really.. 500mg test e, 500mg deca 75mg anadrol a day... thats 1500mg and thats a pretty mild cycle. im not surprised your bloods were fine. if you ran double your doses then youd defo notice negative effects
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Steroids will fuck you up, I agree.
But saying steroids don't work? Man, c'mon... that's like saying food can't make you fat.
Crea4Life, you are one stupid mofo! GTFO
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More testicular cancer for users of bodybuilding supplements:
"Considering the magnitude of the association and the observed dose–response trends, muscle building supplements use may be an important and potentially modifiable exposure that could have important scientific and clinical importance for preventing testicular germ cell cancer development if this association is confirmed by future studies"
Probably caused by designer steroids and prohormones
Yale School of Public Health study
Http://ergogenics.org/gebruikers-van-bodybuildingsupplementen-krijgen-vaker-zaadbalkanker.html
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Steroids will fuck you up, I agree.
But saying steroids don't work? Man, c'mon... that's like saying food can't make you fat.
Crea4Life, you are one stupid mofo! GTFO
that's the point zane starting out bodybuilding smooth and fairly unimpressive, zane juiced up mister olympia 3 X, whether you agree or not he won....... definition of a steroid user anyone who is better and stronger than me... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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(http://i.imgur.com/WJTOlWl.jpg)
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The fact you would exert ^ that much effort over me is flattering. Thank You.
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Don't let Juruth see this picture, Crea4life!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570529.0;attach=611501;image)
Ha-ha-ha-ha..I did some research on your JURUTH buddy. I'll withhold any comment at this particular point in time.
In all seriousness THE best hams I've ever seen in my life were on a 5'1", 110lb tiny little chick. Her freakin' hams started from what looked to be her calves & seemed to insert very high. I swear they stuck out further than her glutes which weren't very big at all. I don't think she lifted since no other muscle group on her sexy little body stood out. It weird cuz I can remember her hams like it was yesterday although that was 13yrs ago.???
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Don't let Juruth see this picture, Crea4life!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=570529.0;attach=611501;image)
http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/108728-just-started-sertraline-and-feel-great/?p=1156830
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http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/topic/108728-just-started-sertraline-and-feel-great/?p=1156830
And? Jeez your one strange dude. ???