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Title: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 04:51:58 PM
I personally think its a massively outdated concept, unless it was switched to 4 10 hour days, I know in the USA this is pushed further and alot do 7 til 7.

lets be honest most of it is down to appearances and "looking" like you are working.This day and age we have all the tools to work smarter rather than harder but they aren't put in use, so you waste all your prime years traveling to a job, pretending you are doing something for most of the 9-12 hours then going home.

Also why are people proud of the hours they put in per week? Proud they worked 60 hours as a corporate slave, with no time for recreation, like its some badge of honour.Getting paid per hour is a fools gold, I did one full time job getting paid by the hour and realised it was a huge waste of time and resources, time is your most precious gift. 

I switched straight away to working on something that would make me money over and over, with time not even entering in to the equation.The second you start thinking about work as what you can produce that will continue to earn you money long after you stopped working on it, rather than a paid per hour scheme, the sooner you will liberate yourself and your mind.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Waller on April 24, 2015, 04:55:31 PM
Posting on Getbig isn't a job.

HTH.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: LittleJ on April 24, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
I did 7 12s in Kuwait. Not bad when you're the boss, but it does suck after a while
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 05:04:40 PM
I did 7 12s in Kuwait.

Why?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: LittleJ on April 24, 2015, 05:15:53 PM
Why?

Money!

 ???
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 05:21:02 PM
Money!

 ???

Yes, but I'm assuming you picked this job above others, correct? Can I also assume you get paid per hour?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: US MUSL on April 24, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
I work 80-90 hours a week. Not much time for anything else, but the money is really good.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 05:25:38 PM
I work 80-90 hours a week. Not much time for anything else, but the money is really good.

Props bro, living the dream
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: US MUSL on April 24, 2015, 05:28:50 PM
It's short term for me. I'm close to retiring. My house and cars are paid for. Just stashing away some extra cash before I retire.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 05:38:18 PM
It's short term for me. I'm close to retiring. My house and cars are paid for. Just stashing away some extra cash before I retire.

Can I ask you what you define as "short term"? I've heard people use this to describe a period of 20 years.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: disco_stu on April 24, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
I work 80-90 hours a week. Not much time for anything else, but the money is really good.

if u work 80-90 hours, then you would expect to be earning at least 2 weeks worth, every week.

so, if you earn , say, $100k working 38 hours per week, then if you do 80-90, you'd want at least $200k, right?

what im getting at is- its not really "good money", if all you are getting paid for is average money, but working loads of hours.

thats not good money, thats just lots of work...like someone having 2 jobs...both pay average.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
if u work 80-90 hours, then you would expect to be earning at least 2 weeks worth, every week.

so, if you earn , say, $100k working 38 hours per week, then if you do 80-90, you'd want at least $200k, right?

what im getting at is- its not really "good money", if all you are getting paid for is average money, but working loads of hours.

thats not good money, thats just lots of work.

Exactly.People lose all capability of logical thought when it comes to challenging societal norms, Ive seen otherwise very intelligent people in some really shitty jobs, working stupid hours, all because they never challenged what they had been told was the norm.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: calfzilla on April 24, 2015, 05:45:18 PM
40 hours sucks. Should be less. Not sure why people have this obsession with work  ???
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: US MUSL on April 24, 2015, 05:45:34 PM
I've been on this schedule for about a year. Plan to work one or two more years. I'm 51. Make $3500/week on 80 hours and $4000/week on 90. My 40hr check is $1300.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: nzmusclemonster on April 24, 2015, 05:50:51 PM
I do 50 hours a week On a 40 hour contract.

Huge company and they refused to pay overtime to anyone on salary.

A bunch of us told the director to get fucked and now we get double time after 40. I won't be getting a promotion any time soon, but it was worth it  8)
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: THE ARS on April 24, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
I personally think its a massively outdated concept, unless it was switched to 4 10 hour days, I know in the USA this is pushed further and alot do 7 til 7.

lets be honest most of it is down to appearances and "looking" like you are working.This day and age we have all the tools to work smarter rather than harder but they aren't put in use, so you waste all your prime years traveling to a job, pretending you are doing something for most of the 9-12 hours then going home.

Also why are people proud of the hours they put in per week? Proud they worked 60 hours as a corporate slave, with no time for recreation, like its some badge of honour.Getting paid per hour is a fools gold, I did one full time job getting paid by the hour and realised it was a huge waste of time and resources, time is your most precious gift. 

I switched straight away to working on something that would make me money over and over, with time not even entering in to the equation.The second you start thinking about work as what you can produce that will continue to earn you money long after you stopped working on it, rather than a paid per hour scheme, the sooner you will liberate yourself and your mind.

^^Melvin Goodrum soundbite^^



Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2015, 06:25:59 PM
^^Melvin Goodrum soundbite^^





Difference is Vince still has to supplement with a minimum wage job to get by, while I retired long ago.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: oldtimer1 on April 24, 2015, 07:05:58 PM
I worked 5 eight hour days a week. I worked 4 ten hour days a week and 3 twelve hour days a week that was set up with an over lap 12 day during the month.

My findings for myself. 8 hours days are so short. It seems the time flies by but you have to come in for 5 days and that stinks. The four day was the best. Three days off was gold.  12 hour days was ridiculous. If the job is over an hour away you only have 2 hours a day to yourself. I hated 12 hour days. Some guys loved the time off. 
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: benchmstr on April 24, 2015, 07:54:11 PM
I work salary these days...not hourly..children and broke bastards work hourly...I show up and work maybe 28 hours a week...I feel that's pushing it....I'm just waiting to quit and become a full time BBQ competition competitor lol

I have no passion for it anymore...just want to compete in BBQ and have a family...yes, i know its a lofty dream!

bench
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Nirvana on April 24, 2015, 08:08:27 PM
So what do you do, Army of One?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: ritch on April 24, 2015, 08:22:30 PM
80-90hrs a week?

Enjoy your burnout to come...

At that rate, you have 0 time to cook your own food, clean your own clothes, so the extra money you make is lost to have people do that for you.

The lack of sleep, bad eating and overworking can only lead to one thing.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 24, 2015, 08:26:51 PM
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Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Flexacon on April 24, 2015, 08:55:19 PM
4 days on, 4 days off is one of the best shift patterns going. 12 hour shifts x4 then 4 days off. It works out roughly the same yearly as doing 40 hour weeks.

Only downside is you have no fixed days off during the week and you're working a lot of weekends. But when you factor in being able to take 4 days annual leave multiple times a year, which basically gives you 12 straight days off. Great for taking holidays and travelling

The other shift pattern which works well is working early mornings. 6am to 3pm etc. Lots of time to enjoy your evenings. You get used to the early mornings  and sleeping 6 hours a night rather then 8. In fact you'll probably feel better for it.

Still nothing beats working for yourself.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: ritch on April 24, 2015, 09:07:20 PM
4 days on, 4 days off is one of the best shift patterns going. 12 hour shifts x4 then 4 days off. It works out roughly the same yearly as doing 40 hour weeks.

Only downside is you have no fixed days off during the week and you're working a lot of weekends. But when you factor in being able to take 4 days annual leave multiple times a year, which basically gives you 12 straight days off. Great for taking holidays and travelling

The other shift pattern which works well is working early mornings. 6am to 3pm etc. Lots of time to enjoy your evenings. You get used to the early mornings  and sleeping 6 hours a night rather then 8. In fact you'll probably feel better for it.

Still nothing beats working for yourself.

enjoy your evenings? NOt when you gotta be in bed before 9pm, lol... 6 hours of sleep would destroy me, would never get used to that.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Flexacon on April 24, 2015, 09:16:49 PM
enjoy your evenings? NOt when you gotta be in bed before 9pm, lol... 6 hours of sleep would destroy me, would never get used to that.

Go bed at 11pm and wake up at 5am. It's the quality of the sleep that counts and 6 hours is plenty. You do end up catching up on it on the weekend though. They'll be a day when you sleep 12 hours straight.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Henda on April 24, 2015, 10:18:44 PM
4 days on, 4 days off is one of the best shift patterns going. 12 hour shifts x4 then 4 days off. It works out roughly the same yearly as doing 40 hour weeks.

Only downside is you have no fixed days off during the week and you're working a lot of weekends. But when you factor in being able to take 4 days annual leave multiple times a year, which basically gives you 12 straight days off. Great for taking holidays and travelling

The other shift pattern which works well is working early mornings. 6am to 3pm etc. Lots of time to enjoy your evenings. You get used to the early mornings  and sleeping 6 hours a night rather then 8. In fact you'll probably feel better for it.

Still nothing beats working for yourself.
Agree with everything you said, I do 4 x 11 hour shifts then have 4 days off, it's great and I'm able to get a shitload done that I wouldn't otherwise be able to do working min to fri, can also put 2 full days overtime in and still have 2 days off, again impossible on Monday to Friday shift pattern.
Worked for myself for 8 years and like you said that's the only thing that beats it
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Havenbull on April 25, 2015, 05:50:34 AM
Agree with everything you said, I do 4 x 11 hour shifts then have 4 days off, it's great and I'm able to get a shitload done that I wouldn't otherwise be able to do working min to fri, can also put 2 full days overtime in and still have 2 days off, again impossible on Monday to Friday shift pattern.
Worked for myself for 8 years and like you said that's the only thing that beats it

What line of work are you in?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: benchmstr on April 25, 2015, 07:30:40 AM
80-90hrs a week?

Enjoy your burnout to come...

At that rate, you have 0 time to cook your own food, clean your own clothes, so the extra money you make is lost to have people do that for you.

The lack of sleep, bad eating and overworking can only lead to one thing.
this....i remember when i hit my burnout point at work...these days i work just enough to fuel my hobbies

bench
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Henda on April 25, 2015, 07:35:18 AM
What line of work are you in?

Mechanical engineering
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: bigmc on April 25, 2015, 07:58:09 AM
we are idiots

future generations will laugh at us

we work our lives away when we are in our prime

so that we have money when all we can do is piss ourselves and sit in a chair
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: ritch on April 25, 2015, 07:59:12 AM
we are idiots

future generations will laugh at us

we work our lives away when we are in our prime

so that we have money when all we can do is piss ourselves and sit in a chair

This post is just too good and so true.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: forillagorilla on April 25, 2015, 08:10:32 AM
I work salary these days...not hourly..children and broke bastards work hourly...I show up and work maybe 28 hours a week...I feel that's pushing it....I'm just waiting to quit and become a full time BBQ competition competitor lol

I have no passion for it anymore...just want to compete in BBQ and have a family...yes, i know its a lofty dream!

bench

My attorney charges me a pretty nice "hourly" rate... He is my neighbor so I admittedly do get a little discount.. But I am sure that we are simple "broke bastards" in comparison to a big shot salaried man like you... Lol. 
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 25, 2015, 01:15:30 PM
40 hours sucks. Should be less. Not sure why people have this obsession with work  ???

You can always get an elected seat in our government and "work" 4 5hr days and have Friday's plus the weekends off making $170k year + $1mil for expenses.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Army of One on April 25, 2015, 01:19:55 PM
we are idiots

future generations will laugh at us

we work our lives away when we are in our prime

so that we have money when all we can do is piss ourselves and sit in a chair

If anyone takes anything from this post, take this.Its doubtful our kids will be working long, EVERYTHING will become automated, people wont be working, life extension will see us living for hundreds of years while remaining at the visual age of our choice.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 25, 2015, 01:29:29 PM
Difference is Vince still has to supplement with a minimum wage job to get by, while I retired long ago.

how old are you?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: f450 on April 25, 2015, 01:36:04 PM
If anyone takes anything from this post, take this.Its doubtful our kids will be working long, EVERYTHING will become automated, people wont be working, life extension will see us living for hundreds of years while remaining at the visual age of our choice.

da vinci got to you huh  ;D
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Natural Man on April 25, 2015, 01:43:27 PM
we are idiots

future generations will laugh at us

we work our lives away when we are in our prime

so that we have money when all we can do is piss ourselves and sit in a chair
future generations will have even worse working and living conditions due to overpopulation. There will always be a small luckier, smarter fraction of the society that benefits from the dumber, unlucky majority slaving away. Nothing will ever change.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: benchmstr on April 25, 2015, 03:35:13 PM
My attorney charges me a pretty nice "hourly" rate... He is my neighbor so I admittedly do get a little discount.. But I am sure that we are simple "broke bastards" in comparison to a big shot salaried man like you... Lol. 
attorney? Thats the best you can come up with? The #1 proffesion for the mentally disabled narcissistic...yeah, tell your little buddy to keep reaching for the stars champ ;)

bench
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Teutonic Knight on April 25, 2015, 03:42:36 PM
Simple formula: get yourself into mega rich family (billioners only), exploit connections & do fuck all  8)
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: funk51 on April 25, 2015, 03:48:13 PM
worse i ever did was as a kid had to work 5 straight days 7am to 2 am shifts than the 6 th day had to work 7 am to 6pm, when i was done saturday went straight to a gym to make up for all the missed workouts. did this 2 weeks in a row....this was a physical job too.stacking crates all day weighing 60 lbs each,rolling and upending 660 lb barrels...they bought us linch and supper scrooge was all heart... :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 25, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
Go bed at 11pm and wake up at 5am. It's the quality of the sleep that counts and 6 hours is plenty. You do end up catching up on it on the weekend though. They'll be a day when you sleep 12 hours straight.

Getbigger goes to bed at 11PM, he's banging Ho's till 2 or 3 in the morning...2 to 3 hours of sleep a night isn't going to cut it...
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 25, 2015, 07:36:14 PM
we are idiots

future generations will laugh at us

we work our lives away when we are in our prime

so that we have money when all we can do is piss ourselves and sit in a chair

It's only going to get worse for the middle class sons/daughters and grand kids...They will end up working more hours than we ever did. Why? Because they are going to want more useless gadgets...And shelter and food will basically always get more expensive...
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: cephissus on April 25, 2015, 11:18:12 PM
i started working longer hours because it makes my job less stresful.  i dont feel rushed, can take my time and do things properly.  that said, im out the door at 7 and often not back til 8.

im still learning how to deal with a full time job. it's been a massive change, and required a huge transformation of identity to retain my sanity.  still have strong doubts im succeeding on that count, no less...
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: local hero on April 25, 2015, 11:26:58 PM
future generations will have even worse working and living conditions due to overpopulation. There will always be a small luckier, smarter fraction of the society that benefits from the dumber, unlucky majority slaving away. Nothing will ever change.


Totally agree... The lucky few will have amazing conditions, the masses will be left behind... Id hate to be a kid starting out now
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: FitnessFrenzy on April 26, 2015, 12:15:08 AM
i started working longer hours because it makes my job less stresful.  i dont feel rushed, can take my time and do things properly.  that said, im out the door at 7 and often not back til 8.

im still learning how to deal with a full time job. it's been a massive change, and required a huge transformation of identity to retain my sanity.  still have strong doubts im succeeding on that count, no less...

what kind of field do you work in?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: cephissus on April 26, 2015, 12:10:05 PM
what kind of field do you work in?

Computer technology
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Croatch on April 26, 2015, 12:50:03 PM
Computer technology
Laptop and a getbig account.  Is that what they're calling computer tech these days?
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: YngiweRhoads on April 27, 2015, 05:33:00 AM
Start a new job tomorrow working 4x10. Sounds better to me than 5x8.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Powerlift66 on April 27, 2015, 06:49:33 AM
The last 5 years I did around 75 hour weeks (salary so no OT) but i could do it from home when I wanted. Now its normalized again since our company was bought, so I'm closer to 40 hrs now, feels much better.

I go into the office 4 days a week (mon - thu), maybe 6 hours a day (9 to 3). (24 hours) the rest I do from home. (Firewall migrations in remote locations, etc)...

Then it's off to the gym when Im done for the day, which is only a few steps away from my home office out in my garage.
House and 5 cars paid off (family of 4 plus my extra truck for plowing, etc) , so no debt, just paying for 2 kids in college (without taking loans)...

In 5 years when I'm 53, I'll start winding it down (after kids graduate). 30 years of 401K's with employer matching has really built up over the years for retirement...

Maybe I'll go do the 4 hr. a day UPS thing, just for their insane benefits and the exercise...
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 27, 2015, 08:51:06 AM
I've turned down jobs offering more pay when I realized they wanted me to work more hours than I do now.  In the end I'd end up getting paid less per hour even though I'm a salaried employee.

The people that fucked up the whole 40 hour expectation are the Asians and Indians who work 12 hours a day so companies expect everyone to put in the same time which is bullshit.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: Agnostic007 on April 27, 2015, 08:55:31 AM
I worked 5 eight hour days a week. I worked 4 ten hour days a week and 3 twelve hour days a week that was set up with an over lap 12 day during the month.

My findings for myself. 8 hours days are so short. It seems the time flies by but you have to come in for 5 days and that stinks. The four day was the best. Three days off was gold.  12 hour days was ridiculous. If the job is over an hour away you only have 2 hours a day to yourself. I hated 12 hour days. Some guys loved the time off. 

I found the same thing in my experience. Worked about every schedule you can think of, and 8 hrs is too short, 10 hrs about right, 4 days on, 3 off. 12 hrs is doable for short term but after time my production in the last 2 hrs on the last couple days of the shift was affected. I currently work 5 eight hr days and miss the 4 10 hr days.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: pedro01 on April 27, 2015, 09:02:08 AM
I run a business - I wish I just did 40 hours....
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: El Diablo Blanco on April 27, 2015, 10:00:12 AM
I run a business - I wish I just did 40 hours....

Pimpin ain't easy.
Title: Re: 40hr work week, good or bad?
Post by: bigmc on April 27, 2015, 10:03:06 AM
I run a business - I wish I just did 40 hours....

your also living in paradise

swings and roundabouts