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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Croatch on May 28, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
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Anyone know people like this? Dumbest shit I ever heard of.
Imaginary guy in the sky...keep believing.
Any worse, when a smart individual does so.
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I think they give 10% in Germany.
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you have a funny real life name
obviously i wont say it but it genuinely makes me laugh lol
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From what I hear, all churches have to give some money to the Vatican. The Vatican was responsible for moving child molesting priests from church to church in order to avoid prosecution. Any money you donate may go toward the Vatican. Who would want their money to possibly go toward an organization which supports pedophillia? :-\ :-\
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From what I hear, all churches have to give some money to the Vatican. The Vatican was responsible for moving child molesting priests from church to church in order to avoid prosecution. Any money you donate may go toward the Vatican. Who would want their money to possibly go toward an organization which supports pedophillia? :-\ :-\
Such a noble donation.
you have a funny real life name
obviously i wont say it but it genuinely makes me laugh lol
Solid thread contribution. What's next, the JFK assassination? It can't be that hard, considering my YouTube is linked to my name and I've posted videos online....well done. You should consider entering the detective field.
Hey, I know what gym you go to...but I'll keep it low...hehe. Come on bro.
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THE BEEF throws a 10% tiding down.
THE BEEF
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THE BEEF throws a 10% tiding down.
THE BEEF
The word is "tithing". Hope this helps.
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Such a noble donation.Solid thread contribution. What's next, the JFK assassination? It can't be that hard, considering my YouTube is linked to my name and I've posted videos online....well done. You should consider entering the detective field.
Hey, I know what gym you go to...but I'll keep it low...hehe. Come on bro.
no man I know people know, its just funny sounding, its not a personal info thing
if i wanted to do that i could spit out your address and phone number
would u like me to pm it to u in case you have doubts?
look croatch
I have a shitload of peoples personal info from getbig. Most dont even know I have it. But I quit that personal info bullshit. Im just here to have a laugh, and your name makes me laugh,...so lets all relax
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no man I know people know, its just funny sounding, its not a personal info thing
if i wanted to do that i could spit out your address and phone number
would u like me to pm it to u in case you have doubts?
Come on Josh, I'm sure croatch realised people could find him easily when he used his own name for his yt account, while also making no secret of his location or gym he goes to.
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The word is "tithing". Hope this helps.
It does ( from old english: teogop - meaning tenth.) thanks champ.
THE BEEF
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Come on Josh, I'm sure croatch realised people could find him easily when he used his own name for his yt account, while also making no secret of his location or gym he goes to.
you fully know I can go wayyyyyyyyyy deeper than that
geezus all I said was his name sounds funny,...and it does
chilllllllllllllllllllll ll
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Avesher, do you follow hockey at all? Montreal Canadiens? I know you Canadiens love your hockey!
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Avesher, do you follow hockey at all? Montreal Canadiens? I know you Canadiens love your hockey!
I am a hardcore Edmonton Oilers fan. Used to live in Edmonton and went to many games
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It does ( from old english: teogop - meaning tenth.) thanks champ.
THE BEEF
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Come on Josh, I'm sure croatch realised people could find him easily when he used his own name for his yt account, while also making no secret of his location or gym he goes to.
The truth.
My question is, why would anyone be afraid of that?
I've met Wiggs before at my gym in Vegas.
I can understand not putting personal information online, but what does it really matter?no man I know people know, its just funny sounding, its not a personal info thing
if i wanted to do that i could spit out your address and phone number
would u like me to pm it to u in case you have doubts?
look croatch
I have a shitload of peoples personal info from getbig. Most dont even know I have it. But I quit that personal info bullshit. Im just here to have a laugh, and your name makes me laugh,...so lets all relax
That's quite odd you have all that information on random people. Why would you try to attain these things? If it's through a mutual friend in life, not web, I'd understand. Or someone posts their webpage, etc. But why would you try to accumulate or even care about that?
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The truth.
My question is, why would anyone be afraid of that?
I've met Wiggs before at my gym in Vegas.
I can understand not putting personal information online, but what does it really matter?That's quite odd you have all that information on random people. Why would you try to attain these things? If it's through a mutual friend in life, not web, I'd understand. Or someone posts their webpage, etc. But why would you try to accumulate or even care about that?
All with 26 posts, even more odd if it's you're only account.
lol you actually dont know who I am when my name was mentioned?
I was very bored back in the day and used to gather up info on getbiggers for use just in case
I outted a number of peoples real info on here which led to me getting banned for years
I am only back here once a week for 24 hours and I dont do the personal info outing anymore
im sure you remember the name avesher---if you dont you are lying
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lol you actually dont know who I am when my name was mentioned?
I was very bored back in the day and used to gather up info on getbiggers for use just in case
I outted a number of peoples real info on here which led to me getting banned for years
I am only back here once a week for 24 hours and I dont do the personal info outing anymore
im sure you remember the name avesher---if you dont you are lying
I recall that name. I still don't understand what you'd get out of that. If someone threatened you or your family in a real way, I would understand it. Or was it more just ausement to cross reference people through their IP address? I actually don't recall any conversations we ever had...but do recall the name.
We're you trying to impress people with your knowledge of names? You could simply pm me...hey, your name makes me laugh.
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I recall that name. I still don't understand what you'd get out of that. If someone threatened you or your family in a real way, I would understand it. Or was it more just ausement to cross reference people through their IP address? I actually don't recall any conversations we ever had...but do recall the name.
We're you trying to impress people with your knowledge of names? You could simply pm me...hey, your name makes me laugh.
no, Im just very bipolar and say whatever comes to my mind
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I am a hardcore Edmonton Oilers fan. Used to live in Edmonton and went to many games
Edmonton was insanely good in the 70's. They were the team to beat.
I am a Rangers fan. If they win this Friday, they make it into the Stanley Cup ::fingers crossed:::
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no, Im just very bipolar and say whatever comes to my mind
Well played. I can't defend a bipolar condition. I think that would be more ADD though.
This thread is a waste now...could have been talking molesting priests at this point.
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Edmonton was insanely good in the 70's. They were the team to beat.
I am a Rangers fan. If they win this Friday, they make it into the Stanley Cup ::fingers crossed:::
90's
they didnt exist until the 79-80 season
hoping the Rangers win too
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could have been talking molesting priests at this point.
I'm up for molesting some priests.
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Well played. I can't defend a bipolar condition. I think that would be more ADD though.
This thread is a waste now...could have been talking molesting priests at this point.
Check the OR, you'll like it so far
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I'm up for molesting some priests.
Out of curiosity, I looked this up and found a slew of pages. A-Z. "A" had 103 instances of convictions, accusations, sued, etc.
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Out of curiosity, I looked this up and found a slew of pages. A-Z. "A" had 103 instances of convictions, accusations, sued, etc.
They do seem to be a horny bunch of fucking perverts.
http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html
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Yes you are!
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Naïve question but : would Wiggzer black J.C. accept white race made coins ........................ ................... :)
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Naïve question but : would Wiggzer black J.C. accept white race made coins ........................ ................... :)
I would take monies from the white man.
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I would take monies from the white man.
unfortunately U a WHITE :D
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Anyone know people like this? Dumbest shit I ever heard of.
Imaginary guy in the sky...keep believing.
Any worse, when a smart individual does so.
Anything theists do for "the imaginary guy in the sky" is the dumbest $h!* you've ever heard....offerings, praying, worshipping....whatever you can think of.
Just a silly troll thread. ::)
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Perfect video for the thread title
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90's
they didnt exist until the 79-80 season
hoping the Rangers win too
Serious question, wasn't the Edmonton run during the 80's, I thought team was broken up in the 90's when Gretzky went to LA and Messia went to NY?
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Serious question, wasn't the Edmonton run during the 80's, I thought team was broken up in the 90's when Gretzky went to LA and Messia went to NY?
never even realized i wrote 90s til u pointed it out
yessir it is 80s
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Serious question, wasn't the Edmonton run during the 80's, I thought team was broken up in the 90's when Gretzky went to LA and Messia went to NY?
Yes, I was going to ask Avesher this. I just looked it up and it said that Oilers first started to play in the early 70s. I think Avesher was mistaken. Now he has to post a picture of potato! :) :D
The Oilers were founded on November 1, 1971, with the team playing its first season in 1972, as one of twelve founding franchises of the major professional World Hockey Association (WHA)
Edit: Saw his post above. But he still has to post a picture of potato!
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Yes, I was going to ask Avesher this. I just looked it up and it said that Oilers first started to play in the early 70s. I think Avesher was mistaken. Now he has to post a picture of potato! :) :D
The Oilers were founded on November 1, 1971, with the team playing its first season in 1972, as one of twelve founding franchises of the major professional World Hockey Association (WHA)
ya WHA
they werent NHL til 79-80
in the Oilers first year Gretzky tied for the scoring championship but Dionne got it based on goals scored
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never even realized i wrote 90s til u pointed it out
yessir it is 80s
Thanks bro. I literally thought I lost a decade.
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Anything theists do for "the imaginary guy in the sky" is the dumbest $h!* you've ever heard....offerings, praying, worshipping....whatever you can think of.
Just a silly troll thread. ::)
No trolling at all. It's a serious topic. Judging by the scripture in your avatar...you bought the story too.
Imagine if you first heard the story of the bible from someone at the age of 30. You would literally laugh at the person if they tried to pass it as a factual. As a fictional tale, you'd applaud and say...good one!
I'm honestly not trolling, but am legitimate in my points here.
If you try to apply logic to the bible, it fails every time. Religion can not be based on facts and logic though, as we know. Mythical creatures and stories are great when you're a kid, but at some point someone has to let you in on the secret...there is no God. Same kind of thing with Santa Claus. I remember when kids in school at the age of 7 would say he didn't exist, I didn't believe them. When I realized they were telling the truth...I accepted it and moved on. Consider doing the same.
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They should donate it to bodybuilders
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They should donate it to bodybuilders
At least there would be a legit use for the money. Lifting weights is an actual proven reality and tangible. Also, a superior lifestyle on the pro level...minus the g4p, gear, synthol, insulin, thongs, hgh, and so on.
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lol a guy in the sky--people actually believe that exists and by going into some man made building and saying some words to mr imaginary man in the sky all will be good
oh brother hows that working out for you religious freaks so far?
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From what I hear, all churches have to give some money to the Vatican. The Vatican was responsible for moving child molesting priests from church to church in order to avoid prosecution. Any money you donate may go toward the Vatican. Who would want their money to possibly go toward an organization which supports pedophillia? :-\ :-\
I think you have this wrong. It's probably not all churches, but maybe it's all Catholic churches.
It is more likely that the Church lawyers advise them to not admit to anything and deny ever accusation until the bitter end. One a priest admits to accusations of pedophilia, the church has to open their pocket books big time. I do not believe the Catholic church supports these abhorrent crimes against children. They do seem to go out of their way to protect other clergy though. It definitely looks like the "good ole boy system" run amok.
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no man I know people know, its just funny sounding, its not a personal info thing
if i wanted to do that i could spit out your address and phone number
would u like me to pm it to u in case you have doubts?
look croatch
I have a shitload of peoples personal info from getbig. Most dont even know I have it. But I quit that personal info bullshit. Im just here to have a laugh, and your name makes me laugh,...so lets all relax
This is so Joon like that it's spooky. Well, not really because it's just all horseshit anyway. Denicebiceps doesn't really know shit about anyone.
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I think you have this wrong. It's probably not all churches, but maybe it's all Catholic churches.
It is more likely that the Church lawyers advise them to not admit to anything and deny ever accusation until the bitter end. One a priest admits to accusations of pedophilia, the church has to open their pocket books big time. I do not believe the Catholic church supports these abhorrent crimes against children. They do seem to go out of their way to protect other clergy though. It definitely looks like the "good ole boy system" run amok.
No, the Vatican was directly involved in moving child molesting priests from church to church to avoid prosecution. This was proven. And I am sure they were molesting other little boys.
It does not matter if it was ONE church or 100 churches. The fact that the Vatican was engaging in such behavior makes it disgusting.
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No, the Vatican was directly involved in moving child molesting priests from church to church to avoid prosecution. This was proven. And I am sure they were molesting other little boys.
It does not matter if it was ONE church or 100 churches. The fact that the Vatican was engaging in such behavior makes it disgusting.
What caught my attention about the post to which I responded was that it implied and said all churches. There are a host of churches that have nothing to do with the Vatican. In fact is it not only the Catholic church which is associated with and beholding to the Vatican?
To be clear, pedophilia is something I find beyond disgusting. I'm not a believer in Capitol punishment, but if there was ever an argument for it that I could support, pedophilia would be at the top of my list. At the very least these creeps should all be castrated. And women who engage in pedophilia should have their vagina's stitched closed.
Have you ever seen the movie The Children's Hour? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054743/
It brings up the fact that sometimes these accusations are merely the product of over active children's minds. It can sometimes be hard to tell the difference between this situation and real instances of pedophilia.
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This is so Joon like that it's spooky. Well, not really because it's just all horseshit anyway. Denicebiceps doesn't really know shit about anyone.
I cant fathom u r so retarded that u dont know who i am when princess l is the one who lets me on here once a week..verified my id...and i posted pics of ma and also my dog
Fucking tards on here
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Geezus i see grampa semen swallower is still at it with long winded tldr replies
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Have 3 fiends giving money to church. God is the only hope they have in life when everything else in life dosent give them satisfaction (consumtion, work, money, status, and all stupid things in society created by stupid humans etc)...
U need to belive and have dreams when consumtion and materialistic things in life dosent fill your emptyness...some people will understand this some dont. Dont jude before you have lived an entire life, and not even then bcz u can only see what u have seen, and can will never understand what other people see feel experience...
The church give you friends, social terapy, faith and "free" entertainment...is it wrong to pay less than a clubticket for all that?
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One of my best sales guys, donates 15% of his income to his church, shites me plus prick always leans on me for more, even tried to tell him to reduce it as Gods under margin pressure same as me, he didn't find it funny, to this day how he outsells like he does in such a hard drinking industry is beyond me, who knows maybe god and the 15% is on his side, one things for sure the guys worth every dollar.
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Croatch, Josh and anyone else this applies to:
I know your stance and respect your feelings towards Christianity, Croatch you made a fantastic case for your beliefs, but as a serious question you don't believe in a divine power at all?
Also is there a reason you choose Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy as the comparison to God? I get it that you see them all as imaginary, mythical characters but the Jedo Christian God of the Bible isn't portrayed as a genie in the Scriptures.
Again not trolling just asking legit curiosities. Thanks.
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Croatch, Josh and anyone else this applies to:
I know your stance and respect your feelings towards Christianity, Croatch you made a fantastic case for your beliefs, but as a serious question you don't believe in a divine power at all?
Also is there a reason you choose Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy as the comparison to God? I get it that you see them all as imaginary, mythical characters but the Jedo Christian God of the Bible isn't portrayed as a genie in the Scriptures.
Again not trolling just asking legit curiosities. Thanks.
You sound shocked that he doesn't believe in a divine power at all. A lot of people don't. Many on here dont, including myself. In this day and age, its really all not that surprising.
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I cant fathom u r so retarded that u dont know who i am when princess l is the one who lets me on here once a week..verified my id...and i posted pics of ma and also my dog
Fucking tards on here
Fathom this, it makes no difference who you are, your comments are the same kind of comments/threats Joon makes. Sorry if it bothers you that you resemble him in this way. That's got to sting a little.
BTW, I am happy for you to have the opportunity to post here. You should petition for more air time.
How is Potato anyway?
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Fathom this, it makes no difference who you are, your comments are the same kind of comments/threats Joon makes. Sorry if it bothers you that you resemble him in this way. That's got to sting a little.
BTW, I am happy for you to have the opportunity to post here. You should petition for more air time.
How is Potato anyway?
Im honored to sound like joon
Potato is awesome
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You sound shocked that he doesn't believe in a divine power at all. A lot of people don't. Many on here dont, including myself. In this day and age, its really all not that surprising.
Shocked would be to intense a word, mostly surprised. I don't expect everyone to have the same outlooks but given all we don't know as big as the universe is and our limited understanding/perspective of it, to think that there isn't a being greater than us (that we would consider godlike), is an interesting thought.
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Shocked would be to intense a word, mostly surprised. I don't expect everyone to have the same outlooks but given all we don't know as big as the universe is and our limited understanding/perspective of it, to think that there isn't a being greater than us (that we would consider godlike), is an interesting thought.
Exactly. Given our limited understanding of the universe, it actually makes more sense NOT to believe in a divine power. Its actually asinine to believe in something only with a limited understanding. That's called gullibility. Would you trust a doctor to perform brain surgery on you if he only had a limited understanding of the brain? No. So why would you assume a God exists with only a limited understanding of our universe? That actually makes no sense at all to me.
To each their own.
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Exactly. Given our limited understanding of the universe, it actually makes more sense NOT to believe in a divine power. Its actually asinine to believe in something only with a limited understanding. That's called gullibility. Would you trust a doctor to perform brain surgery on you if he only had a limited understanding of the brain? No. So why would you assume a God exists with only a limited understanding of our universe? That actually makes no sense at all to me.
To each their own.
Valid point except doctors only have limited understanding of the brain, or any part of the human body. You could schedule a surgery with the best neurosurgeon in the world but that doesn't mean he will be able to fix whatever issue you have.
I'm assuming you invest in a 401k type of retirement despite not having a complete understanding of the financial structure of the stock market.
Everyday we believe in ideas and concepts that we have limited understanding of. We are constantly learning and evolving in our understanding.
SF1900 I know you're intelligent and educated, and based on who you project online I respect you very much. I wasn't attacking you or your beliefs when I asked why you believed the way you do, I was just trying to get understanding.
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Im honored to sound like joon
Potato is awesome
I guess it depends on who learned what from who, when, where and why.
Of course Potato is awesome. He's loved.
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Croatch, Josh and anyone else this applies to:
I know your stance and respect your feelings towards Christianity, Croatch you made a fantastic case for your beliefs, but as a serious question you don't believe in a divine power at all?
Also is there a reason you choose Santa/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy as the comparison to God? I get it that you see them all as imaginary, mythical characters but the Jedo Christian God of the Bible isn't portrayed as a genie in the Scriptures.
Again not trolling just asking legit curiosities. Thanks.
I would assume there is not one, but yes...it's possible, as are many things. Unicorns may exist, but probably not. The reason why so many stand behind the bible is it's popular belief...passed down by generation...not always, but usually the case. Much like Muslims do with their children and so on. What are the chances you were born into the correct religion? Suicide bombers are no different than Christians. They were told something enough times from a young age and believed it. Different ideologies, but lemmings all the same.
I enjoyed when Bush called Al-Quada the axis of evil...meanwhile we bomb more people under a Christian "be kind to your fellow man" religion. Without religion, you would actually have a more peaceful world. What good does any of it do? You can have morals without religion.
Just because the masses believe a fictional story, doesn't make it so. Anyone is free to believe whatever, but if you apply logic to the bible and most religions...they crumble. Not to mention, back when the bible was written...can you imagine how unintelligent man was? They still thought the earth was flat. 200 years from now people will look back and due to science, realize it was all lies.
Read the first few pages of the bible...it sounds like a bad nursery school book. And on the 5th day, he created...blah blah blah. It's an obvious book full of tales and bullshit.
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No trolling at all. It's a serious topic. Judging by the scripture in your avatar...you bought the story too.
Imagine if you first heard the story of the bible from someone at the age of 30. You would literally laugh at the person if they tried to pass it as a factual. As a fictional tale, you'd applaud and say...good one!
I'm honestly not trolling, but am legitimate in my points here.
If you try to apply logic to the bible, it fails every time. Religion can not be based on facts and logic though, as we know. Mythical creatures and stories are great when you're a kid, but at some point someone has to let you in on the secret...there is no God. Same kind of thing with Santa Claus. I remember when kids in school at the age of 7 would say he didn't exist, I didn't believe them. When I realized they were telling the truth...I accepted it and moved on. Consider doing the same.
Ok so you're not trolling but grounding your position in logic.
Yet you introduce the thread with ad hominem fallacy and reply to me with a non sequitur fallacy.
Logic itself is transcendent and grounded in the nature of God. Whether or not our minds exist logical absolutes hold true. Logical absolutes are not contingent upon naturalism, humanity, space or time. Logic is a process of our brains, but the logical absolutes that ground it are not.
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I would assume there is not one, but yes...it's possible, as are many things. Unicorns may exist, but probably not. The reason why so many stand behind the bible is it's popular belief...passed down by generation...not always, but usually the case. Much like Muslims do with their children and so on. What are the chances you were born into the correct religion? Suicide bombers are no different than Christians. They were told something enough times from a young age and believed it. Different ideologies, but lemmings all the same.
I enjoyed when Bush called Al-Quada the axis of evil...meanwhile we bomb more people under a Christian "be kind to your fellow man" religion. Without religion, you would actually have a more peaceful world. What good does any of it do? You can have morals without religion.I
Just because the masses believe a fictional story, doesn't make it so. Anyone is free to believe whatever, but if you apply logic to the bible and most religions...they crumble. Not to mention, back when the bible was written...can you imagine how unintelligent man was? They still thought the earth was flat. 200 years from now people will look back and due to science, realize it was all lies.
Read the first few pages of the bible...it sounds like a bad nursery school book. And on the 5th day, he created...blah blah blah. It's an obvious book full of tales and bullshit.
People can have morals without religion is a true statement, but what is the standard by which those morals are grounded?
Can only be a subjective standard because two groups of folks can hold opposite opinions on an issue. One says it's fine and the other says it isn't. Which is correct? Without an absolute moral standard there is no objectivity in your worldview....only subjectivity.
Further the continued notion that the "bible is a bronze age book written by goatherders" and therefore can't be trusted is a genetic fallacy of logic.
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From what I hear, all churches have to give some money to the Vatican. The Vatican was responsible for moving child molesting priests from church to church in order to avoid prosecution. Any money you donate may go toward the Vatican. Who would want their money to possibly go toward an organization which supports pedophillia? :-\ :-\
Perhaps within the scope of Roman Catholicism this practice exists, but it is not true with reformed Protestant churches. There is no allegiance to the papacy or financial commitment to the Vatican. Just not true.
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People like to support their local gay brothel.
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Are you actually trying to say that the bible gives an objective stance on morality? despite all it's ridiculous contradictions, despite the fact the bible depicts god himself as a murdering, capricious psychopath, who punishes and kills people in fits of jealousy and rage? If we are all to get our morality from the bible, then the world would be a far worse off place. Thankfully, most people have evolved enough to dismiss the teachings of these religious scriptures, and instead base their morality off of common sense and empathy.
Do you reject these parts of the bible as bullshit, or do you attempt to claim that the stories of noah's ark and all the other old testament nonsense about god's wrath being enforced, as allegory's as opposed to fact? Because last time i asked you to explain Gods clear indifference to pain going on in the world now, you came up with some ambiguous rambling that god "abhors the pain and suffering" but he's infinite in nature and created us all with free will etc etc....all baseless assertions i might add, but what it means is that for this to be true, then the old testament is nothing but bullshit, god never intervened or punished anyone, and all of the stories in it are symbolic. Either that or he's just stopped bothering these days!
As for the claim that it would be a logical fallacy to claim the bible cannot be trusted due to it's outdated views on the world...well, that's clearly nonsense too. What facts has the bible given us? All of it's claims on how the world came to exist, have been proven to be completely false. Only a genuine psychopath would try to state otherwise. It was written at a time when people had no understanding at all about the universe or any other scientific discovery. Surely if it was containing the words passed down by god, you would think that the creator of it all would have a bit more of a clue about how it all works. Or is he just tricking us all to test our faith? lol
Do you have an opinion on the notion of logic I mentioned above? Yes, I see you noted "nonsense" to the genetic fallacy piece, but replied with a response about how the bible doesn't explain the scientific principles of naturalism. You're mixing worldviews improperly there....I wouldn't seek out biological facts with a toaster manual.
I've already repeatedly discussed every facet of the remaining dump of red herrings you noted. Not gonna type and type anymore or search out and cobble together my old posts only for someone to reply with "Bull$*!t." or not read the reply at all. That's roughly 99% of what occurs in my experience. Answers to those issues are in my post history, Christian websites, apologetic websites, etc... Don't want em? Don't get em. I'm gonna do far less spoon feeding going forward. Outspoken newbs to these discussions will call me weak and unable to answer their objections. That's fine by me....been there, done all that.
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From what I hear, all churches have to give some money to the Vatican. The Vatican was responsible for moving child molesting priests from church to church in order to avoid prosecution. Any money you donate may go toward the Vatican. Who would want their money to possibly go toward an organization which supports pedophillia? :-\ :-\
Only applies to Catholic churches.
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Not to mention, back when the bible was written...can you imagine how unintelligent man was? They still thought the earth was flat.
Funny you mention that since the Bible was the book that said the earth was round going against the common thought at the time....
People really need to read what they make comments on. As is often the case with these topics a lot of the participants do not have much knowledge beyond what they are told the Bible says by someone who never has read it themselves/read on the internet. Much like you say that it is engrained in Christians to believe what they do from being raised that way the opposite is true as well. Ideas/thoughts are engrained that come from false assumptions to begin with. Basically, what I am saying is people need to read more about topics instead of taking someone's word to be true.
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And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. - Leviticus 27:32
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. - Luke 18:12
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Some people say tithing is not in the new Testament, and that Jesus never spoke of it.
Matthew 23:23
New International Version (NIV)
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
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You have a habit of dodging the actual questions. It is you that is assuming that we are dismissing the biblical contents based on its age alone or the fact that it was written by "goat herders", that's not what i'm doing... the claims in the bible are either true or they aren't. was the earth created in 6 days? no it clearly wasn't. Is it 6000 years old...no it clearly isn't. Is there ANY evidence at all of any divine intervention, prayers being answered, evidence of a god etc? no! that is why the bible should be dismissed as nonsense.
LOL!!! "dodging the questions". I'm sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but given the countless hours I've put into my replies over the years this is funny to me, but it's new to you...that's fine.
Ok, once again....
I've already repeatedly discussed every facet of the remaining dump of red herrings you noted. Not gonna type and type anymore or search out and cobble together my old posts only for someone to reply with "Bull$*!t." or not read the reply at all. That's roughly 99% of what occurs in my experience. Answers to those issues are in my post history, Christian websites, apologetic websites, etc... Don't want em? Don't get em. I'm gonna do far less spoon feeding going forward. Outspoken newbs to these discussions will call me weak and unable to answer their objections. That's fine by me....been there, done all that.
I used to write little novels for everyone with a question or objection. I've reached the point in which the same questions and objections are simply repeating over and over with new folks. Not gonna spoon fed every "Joe Atheist" an exhaustive reply they'll potentially bat away with ""Bull$*!t." Roughly 1% of folks actually read and discuss what I wrote, but I'm now at the point with that entire 1% in which I know all their objections before they are written and they know all my replies before they are written. There's little else to be said, but we chat (even heatedly so) despite that.
I have years of post history indicating I don't dodge questions....you're just new to discussions. Welcome.
Finally, last time I wrote a long reply with cobbled together old posts of mine I sent it to you (because I hadn't done that for you before...gotta test the waters) and this was your response:
;D ;D i can't even begin to argue with all that haha. It will go on to be a 100 page thread of endless, crazy assertions that don't even tie in with what the bible says. MOS i appreciate the fact that you wrote such a detailed response and are a clearly passionate guy. If you're getting something positive from it all then i'm glad. Just don't use your faith to fear monger or corrupt the minds of "jesus's little ones" into thinking they're going to hell for acting on perfectly natural, human instincts.
This was basically the "didn't read" reply. I put forth the effort and answered every single objection you posed.
Today I know how you respond to replies like that......I'm not wasting my time with your current objection dump. Told you where to find answers....go get em chief. ;D
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Anyone know people like this? Dumbest shit I ever heard of.
Imaginary guy in the sky...keep believing.
Any worse, when a smart individual does so.
Yes, I know someone like this: Me. I give 10% of my gross income to my church. Neither I nor my church are Catholic.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine, education, counseling and much more to the poor in the local community and overseas.
My church provides free, professional counseling training to volunteer church members who in turn provide free counseling to people in the community. This includes financial counseling, marital and premarital counseling, counseling for depression, counseling for addictions, and much more.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine and other basic supplies to people who have been through a catastrophe such as flooding, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc., locally and overseas.
There is much much more, but I'm trying to keep this short. My church is not the only one doing all these things for the community. There are thousands of churches around the world doing the same.
Churches couldn't possibly afford to do any of these things if it wasn't for "people like this" doing the "dumbest shit" you ever heard of, donating money...and time to their church. If people stop doing this, then the churches will have to stop providing all of these services to the community. Who then will provide all of these services?
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Yes, I know someone like this: Me. I give 10% of my gross income to my church. Neither I nor my church are Catholic.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine, education, counseling and much more to the poor in the local community and overseas.
My church provides free, professional counseling training to volunteer church members who in turn provide free counseling to people in the community. This includes financial counseling, marital and premarital counseling, counseling for depression, counseling for addictions, and much more.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine and other basic supplies to people who have been through a catastrophe such as flooding, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc., locally and overseas.
There is much much more, but I'm trying to keep this short. My church is not the only one doing all these things for the community. There are thousands of churches around the world doing the same.
Churches couldn't possibly afford to do any of these things if it wasn't for "people like this" doing the "dumbest shit" you ever heard of, donating money...and time to the Church. If people stop doing this, then the church will have to stop providing all of these services to the community. Who then will provide all of these services?
The atheist organizations in Austin, Texas (some of the biggest in the nation....and maybe the planet) lead by Matt Dillahunty and AronRa have stated that atheists organizations do far more charitable and outreach work than the churches do.
But hey, what do I know? I'm a theist and they're atheists so that automatically makes them correct, right?
The outreach aspect of their claim is what I question. What outreach programs/services do they provide? Virtually every atheist I've spoken to defines their organization in terms of collaborative agreement on a "no God" or "lack of God" position.....that's basically it. Never have I seen organized services provided. Yes, they may claim to align with secular organizations that do so, but that doesn't auto-translate into their own "atheist outreach".....bit of misrepresentation and definition stretching I think.
Churches often develop and fund their own programs in house or they collaborate/partner with other organizations and make that distinction pretty clear.
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They preach money is the root of all evil, then ask for money...
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They preach money is the root of all evil, then ask for money...
Actually they preach that the love of money is the root of all evil. Money in and of itself is benign. Organizations need money to function.
1 Timothy 6:10
10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
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They preach money is the root of all evil, then ask for money...
Nobody is preaching that money is the root of all evil. Churches preach that the "love of money" is the root of all evil, not the money itself.
1 Timothy 6:10
New International Version (NIV)
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
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Nobody is preaching that money is the root of all evil. Churches preach that the "love of money" is the root of all evil, not the money itself.
1 Timothy 6:10
New International Version (NIV)
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
20 second response time between us LOL! ;D
You hit em with the NIV and I hit em with the NASB.
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Ok they preach the love of money is evil, yet love money?...
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I give Jim & Tammy Fay Bakker 1/2 my check every month as a good PTL partner in hope. ::)
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Ok they preach the love of money is evil, yet love money?...
Is that a question or a statement?
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Yes, I know someone like this: Me. I give 10% of my gross income to my church. Neither I nor my church are Catholic.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine, education, counseling and much more to the poor in the local community and overseas.
My church provides free, professional counseling training to volunteer church members who in turn provide free counseling to people in the community. This includes financial counseling, marital and premarital counseling, counseling for depression, counseling for addictions, and much more.
My church provides food, shelter, medicine and other basic supplies to people who have been through a catastrophe such as flooding, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc., locally and overseas.
There is much much more, but I'm trying to keep this short. My church is not the only one doing all these things for the community. There are thousands of churches around the world doing the same.
Churches couldn't possibly afford to do any of these things if it wasn't for "people like this" doing the "dumbest shit" you ever heard of, donating money...and time to their church. If people stop doing this, then the churches will have to stop providing all of these services to the community. Who then will provide all of these services?
Providing financial support for any organization you feel is worthwhile, makes sense.
The Church can't do charitable works without resources.
They only thing that bugs me is how some religious groups try to use " GOD's requirement" as the main reason you need to give 10%. How about just giving what you can, because it's good to help people.
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Faith does breed charity
We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings
Roy Hattersley
The Guardian, Sunday 11 September 2005
Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.
The disaster will return to the headlines when one sort of newspaper reports a particularly gruesome discovery or another finds additional evidence of President Bush's negligence. But month after month of unremitting suffering is not news. Nor is the monotonous performance of the unpleasant tasks that relieve the pain and anguish of the old, the sick and the homeless - the tasks in which the Salvation Army specialise.
The Salvation Army has been given a special status as provider-in-chief of American disaster relief. But its work is being augmented by all sorts of other groups. Almost all of them have a religious origin and character.
Notable by their absence are teams from rationalist societies, free thinkers' clubs and atheists' associations - the sort of people who not only scoff at religion's intellectual absurdity but also regard it as a positive force for evil.
The arguments against religion are well known and persuasive. Faith schools, as they are now called, have left sectarian scars on Northern Ireland. Stem-cell research is forbidden because an imaginary God - who is not enough of a philosopher to realise that the ingenuity of a scientist is just as natural as the instinct of Rousseau's noble savage - condemns what he does not understand and the churches that follow his teaching forbid their members to pursue cures for lethal diseases.
Yet men and women who believe that the Pope is the devil incarnate, or (conversely) regard his ex cathedra pronouncements as holy writ, are the people most likely to take the risks and make the sacrifices involved in helping others. Last week a middle-ranking officer of the Salvation Army, who gave up a well-paid job to devote his life to the poor, attempted to convince me that homosexuality is a mortal sin.
Late at night, on the streets of one of our great cities, that man offers friendship as well as help to the most degraded and (to those of a censorious turn of mind) degenerate human beings who exist just outside the boundaries of our society. And he does what he believes to be his Christian duty without the slightest suggestion of disapproval. Yet, for much of his time, he is meeting needs that result from conduct he regards as intrinsically wicked.
Civilised people do not believe that drug addiction and male prostitution offend against divine ordinance. But those who do are the men and women most willing to change the fetid bandages, replace the sodden sleeping bags and - probably most difficult of all - argue, without a trace of impatience, that the time has come for some serious medical treatment. Good works, John Wesley insisted, are no guarantee of a place in heaven. But they are most likely to be performed by people who believe that heaven exists.
The correlation is so clear that it is impossible to doubt that faith and charity go hand in hand. The close relationship may have something to do with the belief that we are all God's children, or it may be the result of a primitive conviction that, although helping others is no guarantee of salvation, it is prudent to be recorded in a book of gold, like James Leigh Hunt's Abu Ben Adam, as "one who loves his fellow men". Whatever the reason, believers answer the call, and not just the Salvation Army. When I was a local councillor, the Little Sisters of the Poor - right at the other end of the theological spectrum - did the weekly washing for women in back-to-back houses who were too ill to scrub for themselves.
It ought to be possible to live a Christian life without being a Christian or, better still, to take Christianity à la carte. The Bible is so full of contradictions that we can accept or reject its moral advice according to taste. Yet men and women who, like me, cannot accept the mysteries and the miracles do not go out with the Salvation Army at night.
The only possible conclusion is that faith comes with a packet of moral imperatives that, while they do not condition the attitude of all believers, influence enough of them to make them morally superior to atheists like me. The truth may make us free. But it has not made us as admirable as the average captain in the Salvation Army.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/12/religion.uk/print
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If someone was dying imminently and couldn't be saved would I have to wait until he expired to let a starving dog eat him? If the dog is healthy, it just needs a good meal. Wouldn't it be less moral to risk the dog's death by waiting around for the guy to slip away?
What about 2 dogs? 4 dogs, a siamese cat, and a donkey that protects a whole herd of goats, everyone's suffering and the dying guy never hurt anyone but he once took the entire $200 cash out of a faux-leather wallet he found on the ground outside a brothel before presenting the empty billfold to a fat beat cop.
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Haha mate, just like that last wall of text response you posted last time, it didn't contain any coherent arguments against what i was saying. It was just you writing a lot of long winded babble which basically went against what the bible claimed anyway! So there really is no arguing with that. Like when i asked about your god and his indifference to the injustices around the world, you just made up paragraphs of stuff claiming things like "he's infinite, he hates pain, he transcends the universe etc etc" All of this is therefore in complete contrast to the god in your bible and doesn't answer anything. There is no debating with people like you, and i don't mean that to just come across as a prick, but you're too brainwashed to face reality.
Yes, I'm fully versed in the generic "your replies were incoherent....awaiting a cogent response" crutch. Nothing I would say would make a difference...I read the situation accurately.
Good thing I didn't send you a second novel. Have a good day.
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Providing financial support for any organization you feel is worthwhile, makes sense.
The Church can't do charitable works without resources.
They only thing that bugs me is how some religious groups try to use " GOD's requirement" as the main reason you need to give 10%. How about just giving what you can, because it's good to help people.
Yes, that bugs me too. Think about it: Someone who has no continence and is a good con artist can make tons of money targeting well meaning, religious people. Some secular charities do this too.
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Providing financial support for any organization you feel is worthwhile, makes sense.
The Church can't do charitable works without resources.
They only thing that bugs me is how some religious groups try to use " GOD's requirement" as the main reason you need to give 10%. How about just giving what you can, because it's good to help people.
There is no specific requirement for tithing...no set amount. That was a law for the nation of Israel in the old covenant situation. Some believers disagree with this....that's ok. Most churches tend to continue the specific notion of 10% tithing. Most of the OT Israelites gave way more than 10% when you break down the law.....more like 30% to 40%. There is no standard amount one must put forth today, but still giving 10% is perfectly fine. Sometimes I give more, sometimes I give less, but I always want to give joyously! I try and tithe as much as I'm able to or that God impresses upon my heart. Today we're to give lovingly and generously because we desire to do so. I enjoy giving and it brings me great pleasure, but my only audience in doing so is God. Again, believers share varying opinions....that's ok.
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Nevermind. The situation is resolved.
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There is no specific requirement for tithing...no set amount. That was a law for the nation of Israel in the old covenant situation. Some believers disagree with this....that's ok. Most churches tend to continue the specific notion of 10% tithing. Most of the OT Israelites gave way more than 10% when you break down the law.....more like 30% to 40%. There is no standard amount one must put forth today, but still giving 10% is perfectly fine. Sometimes I give more, sometimes I give less, but I always want to give joyously! I try and tithe as much as I'm able to or that God impresses upon my heart. Today we're to give lovingly and generously because we desire to do so. I enjoy giving and it brings me great pleasure, but my only audience in doing so is God. Again, believers share varying opinions....that's ok.
Good post and reasonable answer.
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Faith does breed charity
We atheists have to accept that most believers are better human beings
Hurricane Katrina did not stay on the front pages for long. Yesterday's Red Cross appeal for an extra 40,000 volunteer workers was virtually ignored.
The Red Cross does not turn away Christian volunteers. Where were they?
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Hail satan!
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The Red Cross does not turn away Christian volunteers. Where were they?
They were volunteering, not necessarily with the Red Cross. The article answered your question. Your point?
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Volunteering, not necessarily with the Red Cross. The article answered your question. Your point?
Atheists volunteer as well. Your point?
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Atheists volunteer as well. Your point?
Who said they didn't?
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"Happy men don't volunteer."
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Double hail satan!
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(http://historynewsnetwork.org/sites/default/files/obama-satan-history-channel.jpeg)
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Double hail satan!
To address the whole "objective standard or morality" is stupid. It has been debated time and time again, yet theists still hold onto this narrative. Oh, well.
The standard of morality lol
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=563840.0;attach=596143;image)
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All of u religion haters who are us taxpayers will be happy to hear I tithe 10 percent of my income which consists solely of VA disability & SSD to my local parish & a church order whose work I support
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All of u religion haters who are us taxpayers will be happy to hear I tithe 10 percent of my income which consists solely of VA disability & SSD to my local parish & a church order whose work I support
Great, no one really cares, but thanks for sharing lol
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If I had a ton of coin,I`d much rather give to animal shelters, and to help the homeless,rather than to buy some child molester priest a new Caddilac.
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All of u religion haters who are us taxpayers will be happy to hear I tithe 10 percent of my income which consists solely of VA disability & SSD to my local parish & a church order whose work I support
Total waste of money, propping up defunct paedophilic institutions, which continue to attempt to brainwash people with nonsense.
Treble hail Satan!
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All of u religion haters who are us taxpayers will be happy to hear I tithe 10 percent of my income which consists solely of VA disability & SSD to my local parish & a church order whose work I support
Dumbass! ;D
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If I had a ton of coin,I`d much rather give to animal shelters, and to help the homeless,rather than to buy some child molester priest a new Caddilac.
You have to love all these so-called "holy" people driving around in their mercedes, while preaching love to the poor, as they fill their greedy pockets lol. Doesn't the pope have a cup that is made out of gold? What a douche. :D
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You have to love all these so-called "holy" people driving around in their mercedes, while preaching love to the poor, as they fill their greedy pockets lol. Doesn't the pope have a cup that is made out of gold? What a douche. :D
Your preaching to the choir my friend! ;)
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Opus Dei - look into it. It will change your life
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You have to love all these so-called "holy" people driving around in their mercedes, while preaching love to the poor, as they fill their greedy pockets lol. Doesn't the pope have a cup that is made out of gold? What a douche. :D
God does not require anyone's money, nor does He need worship or praise from anyone.
Men take from others in the name of God but for their own use. God's work is not to be found in a Mercedes. Sadder still is it is rare to find it within the hearts of those in the pews.
If you give, then do so in secret without crowing from the rooftop, "Look at me!". You want others to see the Christ within? Give them a smile and a kind word. Give them a heartfelt handshake or hug. Give of your time (if possible) and in doing all these things and more, even if there is no Heaven you have given someone hope for the present.
The future is uncertain. No one of us knows for sure what happens when we breathe our last. Where so many so-called churches of any belief and/or denomination are concerned the adage "follow the money" leads straight to a man (or woman). Instead, follow your heart and as the old song says, let you conscience be your guide. What you do reflects upon you and no one else. You are your own mirror to the world of people that surround you.
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I would assume there is not one, but yes...it's possible, as are many things. Unicorns may exist, but probably not. The reason why so many stand behind the bible is it's popular belief...passed down by generation...not always, but usually the case. Much like Muslims do with their children and so on. What are the chances you were born into the correct religion? Suicide bombers are no different than Christians. They were told something enough times from a young age and believed it. Different ideologies, but lemmings all the same.
I enjoyed when Bush called Al-Quada the axis of evil...meanwhile we bomb more people under a Christian "be kind to your fellow man" religion. Without religion, you would actually have a more peaceful world. What good does any of it do? You can have morals without religion.
Just because the masses believe a fictional story, doesn't make it so. Anyone is free to believe whatever, but if you apply logic to the bible and most religions...they crumble. Not to mention, back when the bible was written...can you imagine how unintelligent man was? They still thought the earth was flat. 200 years from now people will look back and due to science, realize it was all lies.
Read the first few pages of the bible...it sounds like a bad nursery school book. And on the 5th day, he created...blah blah blah. It's an obvious book full of tales and bullshit.
Thank you for this post. I am, if nothing else, a very logical person. My family constantly reminds me of this because they believe I am not emotional enough. emotional or not I am very comfortable with who I am.
It is curious that so many people buy into the bible as if it is actually relevant today. As much as I believe Scientology is a huge scam, what they propose actually makes more sense to me, than believing the bible offers the ultimate answer. This is not to say the gospel's general guide to proper human behavior, as it applies to us today is bad. I have no problem embracing most of the Ten Commandments.