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Lol, this year is first time women allowed to try for Ranger School, all 20 women fail who try out, calls now for lighter gear
"On Friday, the Army is expected to announce that all the women who had attempted to graduate from Ranger School had officially failed to meet the standards, according to a military source.
Ranger School, which grooms the Army’s most elite special operations fighting force, opened its doors to women for the first time this year. Eight of the 20 women who originally entered the school's first co-ed class were allowed to recycle through the program after they fell out in their first go-round. The Friday announcement will confirm that this happened again.
To many, this means the system is working as it should: The Rangers are the best of the best, and being a Ranger means passing a physical test that pushes body and mind to the breaking point. If women can’t do it, the argument goes, then they shouldn’t be Rangers.
But there is another opinion quietly being voiced as well: that Ranger School is more akin to a rite of passage – an opportunity for men to “thump their chest,” as one Ranger puts it – than a realistic preparation for leading in war. That women can actually make Ranger units more effective. And that the standards that keep them out are outdated.
It isn't a way of thinking likely to gain great traction anytime soon. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the Army’s top officer, made this clear during a breakfast with reporters Thursday. While praising the performance of the women at the Ranger School, he added: “I’m actually fairly adamant about not changing the physical standards.”
Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus told the Navy Times this week that once women start attending SEAL training, it would make sense to examine the standards. "First, we're going to make sure there are standards. Second, that they are gender-neutral, and third, that they have something to do with the job," he said.
"Of course women don't want to change the standard – they don't want to be accused of lowering it," says Col. Jason Amerine, a Ranger and West Point graduate. "And men don't want to change it either, because it lets us thump our chest." [MUH PRIMITIVE MASCULINITY!!!]
As a result, "women will always fight to meet the male standard, even if it's arbitrary and kind of stupid," he adds. "I'm often pretty horrified at the adversity they face, while they keep their mouths shut and deal with it."
Others agree that the time has come for a conversation.
“I think it’ll be contentious, but I think it’s equitable and sensible to ask the question about what are the [Ranger School] standards that are only related to the fact that only men have ever done it," says retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, who served as the top commander of United States forces in Afghanistan, as well as three tours in Army Ranger battalions.
This argument is less about gender equity than the firm belief that women can make Ranger battalions better. In modern warfare, relations with local populations are crucial, and women Rangers would provide unique value added in places such as Afghanistan or Iraq, where cultural norms often prohibit contact between male soldiers and women. Ranger School also showed women were innovative problem-solvers who offered fresh approaches in the field.
On the battlefield itself, they have proven themselves. While at war, Colonel Amerine says, “I was rarely with female soldiers who couldn’t hang.”
To him, this raises the question of what Ranger School is actually about. As new technologies potentially make raw physical strength less important, the real challenge, many say, becomes bringing women’s leadership skills into the upper echelons of the armed forces.
For Col. Jason Dempsey, a fellow Ranger and West Point graduate, this points to a need for “reassessing what war-fighting is, and what’s really important,” he says, rather than “having 100,000 guys who are essentially pack mules.”
The No. 1 Department of Veterans Affairs claim – made by 58 percent of all claimants – is muscular-skeletal injuries. “If we really are serious about integrating the force, the equipment we carry is going to be one of the things we have to have a hard conversation about,” Amerine says. “It’s in our grasp technologically to make things a lot lighter.”
Take away brute strength as one of the pillars of Ranger School, and its purpose begins to preparing Army soldiers to be excellent leaders, which has long been the promise of Ranger School, he adds.
In that context, the Ranger pass-fail rates look different. After West Point invested four years building the men in Amerine’s class into leaders, “All of us were expected to go to Ranger School, and all of us were expected to pass,” he says. But that’s not true of women, “and I have a problem with that,” he adds. “I think there’s something fundamentally wrong with that structure.”
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Lol@ this comment on another forum
"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.
Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"
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they did the same in the uk police
they changed the fitness test for dog handlers
after they all failed the test
they re did it with the easy one
there was 3 female applicants and 27 men
fortunately as they were told they needed a minimum of three female dog handlers
all three were offered a position purely through merit of course
two of them went off sick with stress within the first six months
the other one left after being given four different dogs as they kept dominating her and refusing to do as they were told
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they did the same in the uk police
they changed the fitness test for dog handlers
after they all failed the test
they re did it with the easy one
there was 3 female applicants and 27 men
fortunately as they were told they needed a minimum of three female dog handlers
all three were offered a position purely through merit of course
two of them went off sick with stress within the first six months
the other one left after being given four different dogs as they kept dominating her and refusing to do as they were told
Its madness, you wonder when its going to end
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there are loads of less physical jobs women can do in armoured units, reach echelon, navy and airforce.
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i think there's a place for women in military, the ronda rousey type should be able to hang with the men.
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i think there's a place for women in military, the ronda rousey type should be able to hang with the men.
You mean lesbians? ???
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there are loads of less physical jobs women can do in armoured units, reach echelon, navy and airforce.
cooking and darning socks
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Yeah, let's lower the standards so that we can allow more screw-ups like Jessica Lynch to be put into situations where other soldiers' lives are in their hands.
Feminists just refuse to believe that the genders are different.
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cooking and darning socks
Men are actually better cooks/chefs. The overwhelming majority of the best are not women.
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Lol@ this comment on another forum
"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.
Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"
Haha this brother speaks the truth, what is his account name?
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So much for equality.
Equity: the incapable's equality.
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So much for equality.
Equity: the incapable's equality.
Yup. People like this only demand equality with those they envy and failing that, they demand not more from themselves but less from the standard they failed at achieving.
I have no idea if I made any sense. Dammit! ;D
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Lol@ this comment on another forum
"As a ex rifleman in the Australian army I can safely say there is no way women should be allowed in combat units, my first year in the defence force was when they were trialling putting women into combat units and it was horrific, 3 women in my platoon temporarily, 1 female slept with one of our grunts then once he wasn't interested starting sleeping with his best mate, the two then couldn't perform in the field cohesively, and caused a lot of tension along with a lot of bishingfrom her about different soldiers and all kinds of bs, another female who was a die hard "grunt" and had been in training for ages n such had a prolapse from carrying a meer 30kg on her back for 8kms (men do minimum 15kms with 40kgs once yearly but usually pack March weekly depending on unit) the other female was a good soldier but they are purely 100% scientifically weaker than us physically, all 3 women had hip issues after the first few weeks and one of the huge concerns that rly fked us and made the other privates pretty mad was that women were allowed/forced to return to barracks every 4-5 days for fresh showers and hygiene issues due to vaginas being really really fukn easy to get infected, now imagine a recon grunt laying in a muddy cesspool for 2 weeks straight ****ting and pissing in your own clothes and tell me a female could do it? Fk no, they would have infection spread within days and be a liability on the unit, women CANNOT do what men can in the army and they are not built for what men do, even just their hormone levels is enough to say NO FKING WAY should they serve, lst thing I want is a moody bish on her rags next to me all emotion hyped up on estrogen and believe me it happens. + it's human nature that in a situation like that there will be some form of negative relations or jealously between men and women it's just not worth be risk.
Sorry for sounding bitter but I just 100% know there isn't a single male that has served overseas in a real war outside the wire(not sitting in the back in a supply truck) that would want females in their section platoon, ****ing feminist kunts, next they will drop the physical standards cause it's negative towards overweight people and the fat acceptance movement will come charging in, chit isn't even debatable, sorry for sounding bitter but fk this chit rustled me, so many reasons why women shouldn't serve in combat"
This. Nothing annoys the fuck out of me more than weak, insignificant people trying to 'prove' themselves to others that KNOW they have no business being there in the first place. Feminism got them mentally ill and sick in the head and giving them the need to buzz around men with bitchy attitudes. They wanna be us and we laugh at the thought of being like them. We joke about it. We use it as insults to other men. Because it is an insult.
I for one would love for a few women to serve on the frontline in Afghanistan. When a malnutrition goat herder effortlessly disarm them and proceed to run a train on them, they'd long for the sweetness of home and a pair of safe strong arms. And maybe then it'll make some women sit up and think that there's some places you just don't belong and never will.
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If you cant do the job you cant do the job,pretty simple.That would be like letting high school dropouts be heart surgeons even though they cant pass the exams cause theey are to hard.
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13th century BC – Jael assassinated Sisera, a retreating general who was the enemy of the Israelites, according to Judges 5:23–27.
1200–1000 BC roughly – The Rigveda (RV 1 and RV 10) mentions a female warrior named Vishpala, who lost a leg in battle, had an iron prosthesis made, and returned to warfare
10th century BC[20] - According to Greek legendary history, Messene conquered a territory and founded a city at roughly this time
Late 9th century BC-8th century BC – Shammuramat (Semiramis) ruled the Assyrian Empire.[25][26] She was the first woman to rule an empire without a man ruling with her.[
6th through 4th century BC – Women are buried with weapons as well as jewelry on the Kazakhstan-Russia border at roughly this time.[
6th century BC[41] - Pheretima (Cyrenaean Queen) leads a military
530 BC – Historian Herodotus,[47] recorded that queen Tomyris of the Massagetae fought and defeated Cyrus the Great
510 BC – Greek poet Telesilla, defended the city of Argos from the Spartans
5th century BC – The Lady of Yue trained the soldiers of the army of King Goujian of Yue
403–221 BC – During the Warring States period of China,[70] Sun Tzu wrote a contemporary report of how Ho Lu, King of Wu, tested his skill by ordering him to train an army of 180 women.
4th century BC – Cynane, a half-sister to Alexander the Great, accompanied her father on a military campaign and killed an Illyrian leader named Caeria in hand-to-hand combat, and defeated the Illyrian army
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Great, assuming none of their larger, male comrades are ever disabled in combat.
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Don't forget Harriet Tubman. She led an attack on a Confederate Militia.
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its not the womens fault that the male soldiers are too fat
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gamechanger, i think you're missing the point a bit mate. No one's doubting that women have fought in battles throughout history, or that they can be trained to fire a gun etc. There are many amazing female athletes, and there are many females in the military who have done amazing things and are extremely capable. There are plenty female top level intelligence officers for example, doing extremely difficult jobs. There are female medics who have won medals for bravery.....the issue is specifically having them in a mixed role in the infantry, which comes with all the issues mentioned above.
It is not right to drop standards, and risk the lives of others in order to appease female chauvinists who do not want to face up to reality.
maybe the standards needs re-doing anyway
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its not the womens fault that the male soldiers are too fat
Please link me to "fat combat soldiers."
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Please link me to "fat combat soldiers."
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So in what way do you think they need changing? I take it you mean changed for the better, so if you have any suggestions as to why mixed frontline infantry units are going to improve it for the better then lets hear them.
i dont know but "On the battlefield itself, they have proven themselves. While at war, Colonel Amerine says, “I was rarely with female soldiers who couldn’t hang.”"
thats good enough for me and should be good enough for everyone else.
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Damn. Can I call Photoshop?
Pretty sure he runs the mess hall.
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Fuck them.
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i dont know but "On the battlefield itself, they have proven themselves. While at war, Colonel Amerine says, “I was rarely with female soldiers who couldn’t hang.”"
thats good enough for me and should be good enough for everyone else.
Thats great and all. so why cant they pass the fucking ranger test?... If a woman passes it, she's in. Problem is they cant and they want the standards dropped.
You are only as strong as your weakest link.
Women can never ever ever ever be in an elite combat unit.. These units requirements weed out highly capable above average men.. so elite physical standards are the domain of the elite male. The best female athletes will get murdered by very average male athletes in the same sports. Combat units are no different.
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So many guys want to be SEALS and Rangers but they don't have what it takes physically or academically. Now because women can't make the physical standards they are going to lower the elite standards. Just madness.
They are doing the same thing in New York Fire Department physical test so women can pass. I want to know that a person is in good enough shape to run in a basement and drag my unconscious ass out of a burning building up a flight of stairs. No one needs a fireman gassing running up flights of stairs with fire equipment. This liberalism is a disease that is spreading across the country.
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Is combat experience making Ranger School unnecessary?
"But others, including some who are Ranger qualified, believe that combat trumps training, that the hard-earned Ranger tab worn on the left shoulder after completing a brutal 61-day regimen through mountains, woods and swamps, on minimal food and sleep, is no substitute for years spent fighting real-life enemies in Afghanistan or Iraq.
NCOs with extensive combat experience are good enough for some.
“They’re as qualified as anybody else,” said Sgt. Maj. Thomas Dartez, who earned his tab in 1985, served with the 2nd Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, and taught at the school twice, most recently in 2004.
Combat is ultimately the best teacher “because you learn from experience,” Dartez said, using roadside bombs as an example. “Having a tab doesn’t prepare you for that.”
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Haha! Army Strong!
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Is combat experience making Ranger School unnecessary?
"But others, including some who are Ranger qualified, believe that combat trumps training, that the hard-earned Ranger tab worn on the left shoulder after completing a brutal 61-day regimen through mountains, woods and swamps, on minimal food and sleep, is no substitute for years spent fighting real-life enemies in Afghanistan or Iraq.
NCOs with extensive combat experience are good enough for some.
“They’re as qualified as anybody else,” said Sgt. Maj. Thomas Dartez, who earned his tab in 1985, served with the 2nd Ranger Battalion, 75th Ranger Regiment, and taught at the school twice, most recently in 2004.
Combat is ultimately the best teacher “because you learn from experience,” Dartez said, using roadside bombs as an example. “Having a tab doesn’t prepare you for that.”
Yeah, but what about when she can't pull the trigger because the approaching jihadist has innocent puppy dog eyes?
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He's got to be some sort of reservist / NG / weekend warrior type.
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If you cant do the job you cant do the job,pretty simple.That would be like letting high school dropouts be heart surgeons even though they cant pass the exams cause theey are to hard.
Sounds a little like affirmative action?
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Relax the standards only for women and then give them their own units. Like "SEAL Team ♀". Send them in to clean the enemy kitchens.
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He's got to be some sort of reservist / NG / weekend warrior type.
Or Patton Oswalt there to amuse troops?
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"What side was that, Private Pyle?!"
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PJ Braun off season bulking.
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Kinda hot though in that ones guys story about the girl being tossed around as a piece of meat between two male GIs in the platoon. Cool chic, that story made me hard
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Funny, because that is exactly how I picture you looking from all your beta male estrogen soaked SJW posts in this thread
Instead of swimming against the tide on GB why not go back to reddit
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You'd think someone so fat in the desert would be motivated to lose weight as carrying all that lard must really drag one down and be disgustingly sweaty all the time.
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Please link me to "fat combat soldiers."
There are loads of fatties in the infantry.
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Funny, because that is exactly how I picture you looking from all your beta male estrogen soaked SJW posts in this thread
Instead of swimming against the tide on GB why not go back to reddit
nah im more of a twink
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who cares, infantry are just expendable pawns. the only "soldiers" that matter are the one that operate the drones
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The BEST of the best in female combat troops, the Female Viet Cong...
One tying-up a South Vietnamese (US Side) soldier, the one with the other girls has 174 kills!
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Very cool shirt, is it a one size fits all?
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i think more women should be in the military 8)
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Army where the men are men...
and the women are too.
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there's nothing stopping them. It's fine being a contrarian if you actually have a valid argument...but you haven't here.
you might be right but that doesnt stop me from trying
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Yeah, let's lower the standards so that we can allow more screw-ups like Jessica Lynch to be put into situations where other soldiers' lives are in their hands.
Feminists just refuse to believe that the genders are different.
I suggest they all be required to wear bunny suits during training to level the playing field.
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man or woman.. pass the test or get the fuck out
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man or woman.. pass the test or get the fuck out
agreed. IF a female can pass the training, more power to her. Obviously from the results so far.. won't be too much of an issue
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Why not? Let's lower the standards so they can pass. Then create an all female garrison and ranger group. Let them be the first in combat, let's see if the enemy will lower their aggression towards them because they are women. Then when all the women are raped,beaten skinned and slaughtered we can forget all this nonsense about women trying to play a part in a man's world. No woman belongs in combat in any shape or form.
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Tbf, I think ive met one chick in the army who isnt completely useless.
And they're all riddled with chlamydia and daddy issues.
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women make an excellent addition to any military. it's just plain dumb to leave out half the population. history is full of awesome women when it comes to rule countries (queens), in politics, in warfare etc
go women!!
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Tbf, I think ive met one chick in the army who isnt completely useless.
And they're all riddled with chlamydia and daddy issues.
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In defense of our military girls here in Canada, I put through the FIRST set of female Airborne troops to qualify on their basic marksmanship course (M16-A2)
They did really well, and they were tough, and completely changed my (and several other Staff Sergeants!) opinions!
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In defense of our military girls here in Canada, I put through the FIRST set of female Airborne troops to qualify on their basic marksmanship course (M16-A2)
They did really well, and they were tough, and completely changed my (and several other Staff Sergeants!) opinions!
But do they brush their teeth?
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Eastern pussy are useless for hard stuff.
I'm a french cop and women in my job are a fucking disaster, i must admit the admission standart are very low.
1-They create competition betwen stupid male, average women need a court around her.
So she creates a system of reward and punishment, the docile male are send to fight the refractory male that don't want to lick the mistress pussdy. It get worse when they got power.
2-On the street they're useless. My patrol starts at 09 p.m, and at 10 p.m i'm already back at the station because the vagina wants to pee.
I've got few ronda rousey type, they're playing the male but they're not. When you got to deal with a 250lbs hebrew you know they're useless. They can"t be good driver because they're fearful.
When they got pregnant they"re out for 9 month, generally staying at home because of a sick leave, so you got less numbers in your unity.
But at the end of the month the pay slip are the same.
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Is this just the Ranger School that they can't get through, or was this the Ranger Battalion program. There is a difference. Both are hard, but Battalion is the real SF.
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But do they brush their teeth?
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A LOT of them did smoke, I have to admit! Some yellow teeth there!
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In defense of our military girls here in Canada, I put through the FIRST set of female Airborne troops to qualify on their basic marksmanship course (M16-A2)
They did really well, and they were tough, and completely changed my (and several other Staff Sergeants!) opinions!
We dont have any female airborne troops. I dont think the DS would ever pass them
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If you have an Elite Qualifying Standard.
You Either meet that Standard or Fail.
No excuses.
Doesn't matter if your Man, Women, white, Black,
Yellow, Green & Purple spots, Short, Tall, Fat, Thin,
Young, Old, Etc, Etc,
Meet the Requirements or Fail.
Simple.
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We dont have any female airborne troops. I dont think the DS would ever pass them
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You do now...
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You do now...
4,3,1,2
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Dumb bitches need to learn there place
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You do now...
Nope, im british. Just spent 2 months at Bragg with the 82nd though.