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Painful to watch. True Seagal is 63 years old but when you look at guys like Norris and Stallone he seems like he can hardly move. Just lumbers around. I like his
look though. Looks like a bad ass. Big and burly. I think he's about 6'5".
I studied Akido for about two years starting from the age of 8 years. Trying to apply it in real life situations I realized that it is an utterly useless martial art.
Maybe it was effective during Ueshiba's time but ever since they took out no holds bar training and choreograph everything it's become so watered down that it actually is worse than useless because it's practitioners actually believe they can defend themselves.
Every Akido demonstration I've seen is always the same. One guy effortlessly throwing around a bunch of other guys "attacking" in a way that would never happen
in real life. Which is why an Akido practitioner could never defend themselves like that in real life.
Looks great in movies, though.
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All the drugs he did back in 80's F'ed that dude up.
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All the drugs he did back in 80's F'ed that dude up.
Really? Never heard of this? Do you have a source for this info?
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What a fucking embarrassment to martial arts. Fat fuck needs to learn to control his appetite.
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Really? Never heard of this? Do you have a source for this info?
The dude is a total F-up. Ask LeBrock, She had to file a restraining order on him. As far as drugs - If you were as popular as he was in the 80s you did coke. Do I know this? No. Most likely has used steroids as well. The dude is psycho bout asian chicks. Huge control freak.
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He appears so relaxed while toying with those savage attackers because the man reserves his energies for his time at the buffet.
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The dude is a total F-up. Ask LeBrock, She had to file a restraining order on him. As far as drugs - If you were as popular as he was in the 80s you did coke. Do I know this? No. Most likely has used steroids as well. The dude is psycho bout asian chicks. Huge control freak.
I can see that. Coke was HUGE back then. You'd be a total square not to be in at the coke buffet...
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http://marriage.about.com/od/entertainmen1/p/stevenseagal.htm
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-11-11/entertainment/ca-61424_1_morning-report
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/steven_seagal.htm
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;D
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Ai ki do can be an effective art. Only problem is you would have study it for 20 years. I believe there is a better, more effective art, one which would enable you to demolish an attacker without going to the ground. And you could become formidable in 6 months. Dangerous in 2 years.
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Ai ki do can be an effective art. Only problem is you would have study it for 20 years. I believe there is a better, more effective art, one which would enable you to demolish an attacker without going to the ground. And you could become formidable in 6 months. Dangerous in 2 years.
Notice that there are no attacks or even strikes in Aikido. You just stand there and wait for your opponent to rush you, which they rarely do. You never see them go against an opponent that starts moving, jabbing and a throws one of those bitching Chiroflex inspired roundhouse kicks.
Pulling the guard solves everything.
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Painful to watch. True Seagal is 63 years old but when you look at guys like Norris and Stallone he seems like he can hardly move. Just lumbers around. I like his
look though. Looks like a bad ass. Big and burly. I think he's about 6'5".
I studied Akido for about two years starting from the age of 8 years. Trying to apply it in real life situations I realized that it is an utterly useless martial art.
Maybe it was effective during Ueshiba's time but ever since they took out no holds bar training and choreograph everything it's become so watered down that it actually is worse than useless because it's practitioners actually believe they can defend themselves.
Every Akido demonstration I've seen is always the same. One guy effortlessly throwing around a bunch of other guys "attacking" in a way that would never happen
in real life. Which is why an Akido practitioner could never defend themselves like that in real life.
Looks great in movies, though.
And compared to this?
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segal is an old man
back in the day he was respected world wide as martial artist
word is he has had many fights to the death
and knows the secret five finger death punch
I await his debut in the ufc with great eagerness
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Ai ki do can be an effective art. Only problem is you would have study it for 20 years. I believe there is a better, more effective art, one which would enable you to demolish an attacker without going to the ground. And you could become formidable in 6 months. Dangerous in 2 years.
Which MA is this?
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boxing
the most effective easy to pick up martial art going
as you learn the realities of a tear up
and you learn to take a dig and deal with fear and control it
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Hm. Been wanting to take something up, as I feel with all the time I spend I'm the gym, sometimes it feels pretty much useless
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boxing
the most effective easy to pick up martial art going
as you learn the realities of a tear up
and you learn to take a dig and deal with fear and control it
yep
learning how to take a punch and stay calm is very important
once you've mastered that you will fuck most people up in a fight
ad they will be wildly throwing haymakers and gassing out in ten seconds
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That segal video is an absolute heap of shit
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Aikido has many schools and some play more emphasis on Ki.. most being the Aikikai schools. Try Daito Ryu the fore runner of Aikido then tell me itīs soft or Yoshinkan. i come from a Boxing background and am not a dreamer but Aikido is a very deep and spiritual "way".. Do means "way". Later you can embrace the soft internal ways but first you have to understand.
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Daito Ryu.... a spider catching itīs prey.
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UK police learn Akido aspart of their training. Maybe that's why they re so useless.
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UK police learn Akido aspart of their training. Maybe that's why they re so useless.
no they don't you dildo
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UK police learn Akido aspart of their training. Maybe that's why they re so useless.
They taught us in the Army Aikido. Well it was an Army version ... ;D picture a group of Squadies on a patch of Grass dressed in lightweights, boots and combat jacket nearly fucking up each others wrists.. ;D ;D ;D we also used a small stick like in Kali but shorter. Amazing what you can do with a small stick(no Homo). you learn the nerve points and you can inflict a lot of pain very efficiently. looking back now it was more Jui Jitsu what we learned.
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And compared to this?
Aikido seems to be very effective against the slow-mo karate chop punch. :o
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Aikido seems to be very effective against the slow-mo karate chop punch. :o
people look at the way they train in Aikido... they think itīs soft. there are so many factors and principles that i could write a book. you know itīs like Bench pressing, even although a simple move you can do it wrong in many ways. Aikido is about Sabaki.. body movement. Picture a childs spinning top, spins on an Axis, when it comes in contact with an object it propels it...away using centrifugal force. I can only say that in japan Aikido and Kendo are for people who understand.
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It's supposed to be painful. The whole concept behind breaking wrists, elbows, shoulders etc, is that you cause the opponent incapacitating pain and/or damage.
Take notice how his opponents are actually very good at moving in ways to avoid these injuries for as long as possible, and of cause Seagal is only demonstrating here so they are let up, and not killed/hurt, but yes you are right that it is probably painful.
Very impressive martial art.
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It's supposed to be painful. The whole concept behind breaking wrists, elbows, shoulders etc, is that you cause the opponent incapacitating pain and/or damage.
Take notice how his opponents are actually very good at moving in ways to avoid these injuries for a long as possible, and of cause Seagal is only demonstrating here so they are let up, and not killed/hurt, but yes you are right that it is probably painful.
Very impressive martial art.
I wrote this before but i remember my first "encounter" with a very respected Aikido Master in Germany. Reinhard was an older man i think about 60 at the time when i met him. He was a direct student of Saito Sensei in Iwama. Very short , hard old school. i walked into his dojo in Hannover, he trained Sundays in the Police school. I said i wanted to learn joint locks. He was quick in bringing me to my knees with Nikyo. The pain was unreal. A very respected man in Germany. His Aikido was straight to the point and he said to me, "we must controll the aggressor". If you meet a good Master of Aikido then you will understand. I have good memories of my Training with him.
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people look at the way they train in Aikido... they think itīs soft. there are so many factors and principles that i could write a book. you know itīs like Bench pressing, even although a simple move you can do it wrong in many ways. Aikido is about Sabaki.. body movement. Picture a childs spinning top, spins on an Axis, when it comes in contact with an object it propels it...away using centrifugal force. I can only say that in japan Aikido and Kendo are for people who understand.
Show me one, just one, pure Aikidoka, that can actually fight and willing to prove it.
Spinning top? Are you kidding? When it comes into contact with the back of my hand it flies off the table.
Try spinning around in a real fight? You'll just get dizzy and punched in the face.
I heard all that "one who understands" mystical balonie all my life training in martial arts and wanting to win fights. That's what I liked about the Gracies. No bowing praying, Katas, meditation... nonsense. Just training. And whenever discussion came up about what was useful in a fight they -- we -- would just say, "Well, lets try it out. Lets fight. No hard feelings. Lets just test it out for real."
Some took up the challenge some didn't. Many a martial art demonstration and lectures were liven up when one of the Gracies (as they were trying to promote their martial art) simply challenged the speaker to fight like they did in Brasil.
Rorion Gracie at one of these demonstration keeping it real.
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Show me one, just one, pure Aikidoka, that can actually fight and willing to prove it.
Spinning top? Are you kidding? When it comes into contact with the back of my hand it flies off the table.
Try spinning around in a real fight? You'll just get dizzy and punched in the face.
I heard all that "one who understands" mystical balonie all my life training in martial arts and wanting to win fights. That's what I liked about the Gracies. No bowing praying, Katas, meditation... nonsense. Just training. And whenever discussion came up about what was useful in a fight they -- we -- would just say, "Well, lets try it out. Lets fight. No hard feelings. Lets just test it out for real."
Some took up the challenge some didn't. Many a martial art demonstration and lectures were liven up when one of the Gracies (as they were trying to promote their martial art) simply challenged the speaker to fight like they did in Brasil.
Rorion Gracie at one of these demonstration keeping it real.
I think you have a lot to learn.
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It's supposed to be painful. The whole concept behind breaking wrists, elbows, shoulders etc, is that you cause the opponent incapacitating pain and/or damage.
Take notice how his opponents are actually very good at moving in ways to avoid these injuries for a long as possible, and of cause Seagal is only demonstrating here so they are let up, and not killed/hurt, but yes you are right that it is probably painful.
Very impressive martial art.
I meant "painful" as in watching Seagal try to move. He's so fat, stiff and out of shape that he looks in pain just walking.
I remember telling my Aikido instructor that the moves weren't working for me in real life. When I try to throw people like I see the Black Belts do and like we do in training I can't budge any body.
So the instructor took me through the movement. When he got to the point where he tried to throw me he said, "Roll."
I said, "What?"
He said, "Roll?"
"But aren't you suppose to throw me first?"
He repeated again with a bit more impatience, "Roll."
So I rolled as stood over me in triump.
He then said to me, "Don't ever be afraid to roll."
Mind you, I'm like 8 or 9 years old. So I tell him, "Ah, I see. The guy I fought with and the guys I try to train and practice with don't know how to roll."
He then said to me, "You should bring them to this dojo and we will teach them."
Wait until I tell the story about when I asked my instructor how come in Aikido we never learn or practice how to punch.
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There are Atemi in Aikido, to break his concentration.. to execute the technique. Look at Daito Ryu the Atemi waza is more direct. Aikido comes from Daito Ryu, many principles apply. Like i wrote you need to understand.
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I think you have a lot to learn.
This why I liked having these conversations in person. This is the time when I would just say, "Well, lets fight." I really want to see if you have anything to teach me. No animosity. No hard feelings. I'm here to learn. If I win I've learned nothing. If I lose then you would have taught me a very valuable lesson.
In fact, that's how I started with the Gracies. I fought 135 pound Royler Gracie and got my right elbow popped. I didn't even know at the time what was even happened until it happened. Royler couldn't speak English much at the time so Royce, who was watching, told me, "You didn't tap." I just said, "What's tap? I didn't even know what he was doing."
Pity. But I am willing to bet that growing up in Hawaii I got into more real fist fights, winning some losing some, by the time I finished the sixth grade than you have had in your entire life.
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This why I liked having these conversations in person. This is the time when I would just say, "Well, lets fight." I really want to see if you have anything to teach me. No animosity. No hard feelings. I'm here to learn. If I win I've learned nothing. If I lose then you would have taught me a very valuable lesson.
In fact, that's how I started with the Gracies. I fought 135 pound Royler Gracie and got my right elbow popped. I didn't even know at the time what was even happened until it happened. Royler couldn't speak English much at the time so Royce, who was watching, told me, "You didn't tap." I just said, "What's tap? I didn't even know what he was doing."
Pity. But I am willing to bet that growing up in Hawaii I got into more real fist fights, winning some losing some, by the time I finished the sixth grade than you have had in your entire life.
yes Kokyu nage is very difficult to understand. I mean no disrespect but you do not understand.
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yes Kokyu nage is very difficult to understand. I mean no disrespect but you do not understand.
You cant be serious with this shit.
who's going to roll about like that and play ball in real life?
Sure, his actions might make someone release their grip but they sure wont try and keep clinging on while he casually throws them on the floor
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There are Atemi in Aikido, to break his concentration.. to execute the technique. Look at Daito Ryu the Atemi waza is more direct. Aikido comes from Daito Ryu, many principles apply. Like i wrote you need to understand.
I'll only understand an Aikido master if he kicks my ass. It has never happened. Of course I only fought two instructors and one was a girl.
With the man I didn't even have to take him to the ground. I just punched him in the face.
With the girl I just said, "Ready?" Then walked over to her, grabbed her and cradle her like a baby, laid her gently on the ground, mounted her and crossed choked her. She took up BJJ the next day.
For some reason I was obsessed with wanting to a good fighter. I don't know why. It couldn't have been because I was bullied because it started before I even entered Kindergarten. If there was any use and real life effectiveness to Aikido as it is currently taught I would have stuck with it. Even as a preteen I realized it was useless in real life.
One of the problems is that they never test themselves in a real life encounter and believe their own lies -- until they get their ass kicked.
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yes Kokyu nage is very difficult to understand. I mean no disrespect but you do not understand.
You can show me all the choreograph demonstrations you want. I grew up watching and believing them.
I really mean no disrespect but I would so like to fight you. I want you to teach me to understand so bad. I am very sincere about this. I've had these types of discussions so many times. It was so liberating when the Gracies taught me that it was all right to actually fight. None of this "never use your deadly knowledge unless under extreme life or death circumstances."
With all the spiritually involved in traditional martial arts the bottom line is that a martial art is not a martial art if you can't fight.
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I'll only understand an Aikido master if he kicks my ass. It has never happened. Of course I only fought two instructors and one was a girl.
With the man I didn't even have to take him to the ground. I just punched him in the face.
With the girl I just said, "Ready?" Then walked over to her, grabbed her and cradle her like a baby, laid her gently on the ground, mounted her and crossed choked her. She took up BJJ the next day.
For some reason I was obsessed with wanting to a good fighter. I don't know why. It couldn't have been because I was bullied because it started before I even entered Kindergarten. If there was any use and real life effectiveness to Aikido as it is currently taught I would have stuck with it. Even as a preteen I realized it was useless in real life.
One of the problems is that they never test themselves in a real life encounter and believe their own lies -- until they get their ass kicked.
what is Kokju Nage? lets talk about Judo, you know the High grade Kata?
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You cant be serious with this shit.
who's going to roll about like that and play ball in real life?
Sure, his actions might make someone release their grip but they sure wont try and keep clinging on while he casually throws them on the floor
It's only for demonstration, the reason you don't see these techniques being used to their full in competition is because they are banned from professional MMA organizations.
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You can show me all the choreograph demonstrations you want. I grew up watching and believing them.
I really mean no disrespect but I would so like to fight you. I want you to teach me to understand so bad. I am very sincere about this. I've had these types of discussions so many times. It was so liberating when the Gracies taught me that it was all right to actually fight. None of this "never use your deadly knowledge unless under extreme life or death circumstances."
With all the spiritually involved in traditional martial arts the bottom line is that a martial art is not a martial art if you can't fight.
come over iīll take the bait.
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I'll only understand an Aikido master if he kicks my ass. It has never happened. Of course I only fought two instructors and one was a girl.
With the man I didn't even have to take him to the ground. I just punched him in the face.
With the girl I just said, "Ready?" Then walked over to her, grabbed her and cradle her like a baby, laid her gently on the ground, mounted her and crossed choked her. She took up BJJ the next day.
For some reason I was obsessed with wanting to a good fighter. I don't know why. It couldn't have been because I was bullied because it started before I even entered Kindergarten. If there was any use and real life effectiveness to Aikido as it is currently taught I would have stuck with it. Even as a preteen I realized it was useless in real life.
One of the problems is that they never test themselves in a real life encounter and believe their own lies -- until they get their ass kicked.
for once I agree with pellius. And HOLY SHIT that video was so awkward, I feel so embarrassed for the "kuka nagaa nege koko nugu" instructor or whatever he was, how fucking embarrassing was that :-[
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what is Kokju Nage? lets talk about Judo, you know the High grade Kata?
Judo is different. Bruce Lee use to say that never will you find more out of shape "athlete" than in Martial Arts. Serious Judoka train like athletes and are high level athletes. They include free no holds bar training and not just predetermined choreograph movements.
No one has ever become a good fighter doing katas. Katas are useless. No one has ever become a good fighter without actually practicing real fighting. Real punches, real kicks, real getting your ass tossed in the air.
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It's only for demonstration, the reason you don't see these techniques being used to their full in competition is because they are banned from professional MMA organizations.
Of course, because they are too deadly. It reminds when this "Ninjitsu warrior" came into the Gracie academy and after getting choked out in minutes claimed that it was because he held back. He had "nothing against" the BJJ student he was fighting (a purple belt). Rorion just said, "Well, that's really nice of you but how about now. One of our students, a mid level student just kicked your ass in front of your students. He signed a waiver. You can do anything you want. You came to us to prove yourself."
The Ninjitsu master went through some psyching up routine and did a little growl and went at it again. He again got choked unconscious within minutes.
Maybe these guys are really the most deadly fighters in the world. But it's useless and pointless if they never fight.
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come over iīll take the bait.
You say that because you know it will never happen. I'm supposed to fly to London from Hawaii just to kick your ass.
Donny, seriously, how many real street fights have you been in in your life and when was the last one? How often during the course of a week do you actually train in martial arts. I don't mean Katas and shadow boxing but actually mixing it up with men of all sized and all ages?
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Judo is different. Bruce Lee use to say that never will you find more out of shape "athlete" than in Martial Arts. Serious Judoka train like athletes and are high level athletes. They include free no holds bar training and not just predetermined choreograph movements.
No one has ever become a good fighter doing katas. Katas are useless. No one has ever become a good fighter without actually practicing real fighting. Real punches, real kicks, real getting your ass tossed in the air.
so you donīt know Kime no Kata or Goshin Jutsu Kata? Katame no kata ... the forms of grappling ?
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Tomiki was a Master of Judo and Aikido. He used Kata too. look at his forms of Kata. Kata is important.
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for once I agree with pellius. And HOLY SHIT that video was so awkward, I feel so embarrassed for the "kuka nagaa nege koko nugu" instructor or whatever he was, how fucking embarrassing was that :-[
Holy shit! I just realized the ref is wearing an HCK t-shirt. HCK stands for the very underwhelming "Howard Combat Kimonos". He is one of my best friends and started BJJ about the same time I did in the early 1990s. He train several times a week for years. I remember when he said that he wanted to get out of the real estate biz and make competition gis. We use to train in his warehouse and garage surrounded by boxes of gis. Randy Couture was the first athlete he sponsored.
Small world. Just brought back some fond memories. Now I'm in a good mood so I won't start any shit with you -- for now.
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so you donīt know Kime no Kata or Goshin Jutsu Kata? Katame no kata ... the forms of grappling ?
theory doesn't translate into actual fighting
to become a good fighter you have to fight
its that simple
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Now I'm in a good mood so I won't start any shit with you -- for now.
Suck a dick, straight up like that :D !
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theory doesn't translate into actual fighting
to become a good fighter you have to fight
its that simple
I donīt think you understand that the techniques are in the Kata? as for on the mat fighting i have enough experience i can assure you.
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I donīt think you understand that the techniques are in the Kata? as for on the mat fighting i have enough experience i can assure you.
im telling you from years of actual fighting experience
that all the knowledge in the world means shit
when the fighting starts
why do you think fighters spar for hours and hours on end?
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so you donīt know Kime no Kata or Goshin Jutsu Kata? Katame no kata ... the forms of grappling ?
Nope. Never heard of any of that. And I doubt anybody I know: people that roll everyday, people that are Mundial champions, Abu Dhabi champions, and UFC champions (B.J. Penn and Rico Rodriguez) have heard of these forms of grappling either.
Why are they hiding. How come they don't compete with the best in the world in Sambo and try their hand in the Abu Dhabi trials?
Maybe they are the greatest grapplers in the world but it's pointless if they just hide and train in some secluded monastery by themselves.
Seems odd that someone will devote their lives to a fighting and/or grappling art but never test themselves and show and share with the world this great thing. Similar to what Rorion Gracie did. Challenging martial artists to real fights. Offering 10 grand to anyone who could beat them. Starting the UFC to give a platform for martial artist throughout the world to test themselves and show and prove to the world the best fighting system.
But like you said: I don't understand.
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Suck a dick, straight up like that :D !
I see what you did there.
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im telling you from years of actual fighting experience
that all the knowledge in the world means shit
when the fighting starts
why do you think fighters spar for hours and hours on end?
sorry buddy but you are not a person i take serious. i noticed you were quite for a while on here. looking for a comeback?.. wonīt happen because you are what you are, a coward. your fighting experience you showed me before...you never showed up.
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im telling you from years of actual fighting experience
that all the knowledge in the world means shit
when the fighting starts
why do you think fighters spar for hours and hours on end?
I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.
Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.
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Aikido is a bullshido that attracts weaklings who don't want to learn how to actually fight but how to learn to delude themselves that they can fight. Convincing themselves that they can fight when they can't seems better to such people than living with the truth that they can't fight and don't have the fortitude to box or wrestle.
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I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.
Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.
maybe Aikido/Daito Ryu is too advanced for you? i boxed in the Army. What does a Boxer do? Sabaki, he moves and with purpose. Aikido is way more advanced.
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A real test would be to put one of these martial arts experts in the middle of an inner city riot.. let's see what they can do then.
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He is in dire need of some weight loss, it could probably do wonders for his career
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Aikido is a bullshido that attracts weaklings who don't want to learn how to actually fight but how to learn to delude themselves that they can fight. Convincing themselves that they can fight when they can't seems better to such people than living with the truth that they can't fight and don't have the fortitude to box or wrestle.
The people i have met and trained with were people who spent years training in the hard systems but later in the soft systems. you do not understand. When you later understand Kokyu.. then you are a Master.
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I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.
Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.
Donny lives in a fantasy world
he wanted me to pay him 5k to fly over to the uk to throw hands
he then rang the gym and tried to get them to sue me to get out of the fight
he has a drink problem
I feel a little sorry for him
best not to try and argue with him he will start sending you death threats by pm
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Good thread. We got book learnin' martial arts vs. practical martial arts. I know where my money is.
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Kokyu is Breathing ...life. The throws are an extension of your breath...
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Donny lives in a fantasy world
he wanted me to pay him 5k to fly over to the uk to throw hands
he then rang the gym and tried to get them to sue me to get out of the fight
he has a drink problem
I feel a little sorry for him
best not to try and argue with him he will start sending you death threats by pm
I suspect Donny is trolling. But if he seriously believes aikido is actually practical for learning how to fight then he is just another deluded idiot. There are countless morons who believe in all types of airy fairy beliefs like ghosts and ESP and the like. Some people just don't like to face cold hard reality and prefer believing in voodoo and spirits and invisible energies and the like.
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I consider boxing a sport and not an actual, nor the best, street fighting art. But during the "challenge" days what made the boxers by far the most formidable and dangerous opponents was that they were real athletes and trained in real full contact situations. Virtually all the martials during that period did no full contact fighting. Just having the physical contact is so, so important. Actually hitting someone and getting hit. Boxing is run like an competitive sport based on a meritocracy and trained like athletes. Martial arts are run like a business. In boxing, like wrestling, if you can't cut it you quit or are kicked out. What does the coach care? One less dead weight holding everybody back. In martial arts if you lose a student you lose money. They push you through and give your belts no matter how useless you are in a real encounter.
Boxers are hitting and punching and getting punched everyday. I'll put my money on a serious boxer over a serious martial artist every time if I knew nothing else about them. And in the street, forget it. People think it's easy to punch effectively until they actually try it. To a boxer it's second nature and will drop the average thug while eating a subway sandwich.
Great post although now a lot of boxing gyms are run the same way as martial arts places - they just want to keep people active and coming back, its not about competitive boxing.
This is a quality thread.
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I suspect Donny is trolling. But if he seriously believes aikido is actually practical for learning how to fight then he is just another deluded idiot. There are countless morons who believe in all types of airy fairy beliefs like ghosts and ESP and the like. Some people just don't like to face cold hard reality and prefer believing in voodoo and spirits and invisible energies and the like.
Donīt understand why Fatmac makes up stories... he is an internet mouth piece, nothing more...as for me being a troll, no i have been involved in Boxing,Wado Ryu,Wing Tzun,Aikido, Jeet Kune Do.
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maybe Aikido/Daito Ryu is too advanced for you? i boxed in the Army. What does a Boxer do? Sabaki, he moves and with purpose. Aikido is way more advanced.
Perhaps. I wish you could show me. Then we'll share... how do you folks say it over there? A pint? And one of use will leave the wiser.
Cheers, my friend.
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Donīt understand why Fatmac makes up stories... he is an internet mouth piece, nothing more...as for me being a troll, no i have been involved in Boxing,Wado Ryu,Wing Tzun,Aikido, Jeet Kune Do.
Fatmac will not pay for me to come over and fight him, so i think maybe we could do a collection for my flight and Board. The Money will go to charity(fat Boys 5k).. set up an account.
your move creep 8)
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pellius becoming my 'today's favourite poster'
in my years I have trained in the following- I do fuck all now apart from hit the bag and do some pad work but sparring sessions are few and far between
I did
boxing
muay thai
lau gar kung fu
hung gar jung fu
kyokushinkai
judo
tkd
FSK
Boxing- pellius is right- you'd turn up train hurt and expect to be hurt. if you lasted 3 months you stayed- most didn't. If you've boxed to, even a club level, can throw a dig and see a dig coming you will come out of a fair amount of punch ups ok. I boxed at transport amongst other clubs and they had some great fighters
muay thai- good sparring but I found the skill levels mixable- this was at Skens in Manchester. the good fighters were amazing, the others were fairly shite
lau gar- trained under world champ brian nelson- amazingly quick but it was all point stop stuff and about winning stop start point fights I found the grading techniques laughably bad and technical poor
hung gar- at a community centre in Liverpool's chinatown - the black-e'. The instructor was chinese spoke only chinese and was only interested in talking to the chinese and taking our money. abject shite.
kyokushinkai- a lovely hard style with loads of sparring- really enjoyed it
judo- great sport but the practical application of someone punching through a guard and levelling you didn't add up to me. but amazing skills and of its type a formidable system but only within that structure.
FSK- trained under alfie lewis with frenchie, andy boyce, peter o para and co. the single best fighting stable I've seen- a fucking conveyer belt where no quarter was given and gym wars were an everyday occurrence. this club of 60-80 people in toxteth DOMINATED WAKO semi and full contact for years. not shocked.when competing even at a young age the entire club would turn out and support you- an intimidating club and einvironment.
TKD- loved it loved its artistry, loved the footwork but ultimately like lay gar, and hung limited on the road as it were.
pellius - alfie lewis of FSK who I mentioned used to say the thing that made him laugh about martial arts at the time was how badly conditioned people were. it was no wonder boxers used to laugh at people going over when caught in the gut or having trouble with stain in points stop.
this is years back and with MMA etc its a different thing but I stand by this. If I wanted to show someone how to learn how to defend themselves they would learn more in 4 weeks boxing than all the other arts combined.
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Kokyu is Breathing ...life. The throws are an extension of your breath...
A punch is a punch. The extension of your arm as the fist crashes into your face as blood gushes out of each breath you take. ;D
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your move creep 8)
mate you shat your pants. Letīs get the story straight. I phoned up the Gyms and they told me they never heard of you. A coward.
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A punch is a punch. The extension of your arm as the fist crashes into your face as blood gushes out of each breath you take. ;D
so when will you come over?
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mate you shat your pants. Letīs get the story straight. I phoned up the Gyms and they told me they never heard of you. A coward.
yes lets
my story is
you wanted five k to come over knowing no one would agree to that nonsense
you then phoned a load of gyms in Liverpool about 200 miles away from where I live asking if they had ever heard of nik Macintyre who you thought was me
you then tried to get them to sue nik Macintyre for arranging an illegal fight
which part of this are you disputing
oh and you never showed up
:-*
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He is in dire need of some weight loss, it could probably do wonders for his career
He is spoken of in hushed tones in Osaka's ushiro clubs as a cock swallower of much renown.
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yes lets
my story is
you wanted five k to come over knowing no one would agree to that nonsense
you then phoned a load of gyms in Liverpool about 200 miles away from where I live asking if they had ever heard of nik Macintyre who you thought was me
you then tried to get them to sue nik Macintyre for arranging an illegal fight
which part of this are you disputing
oh and you never showed up
:-*
you are a coward.
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How can even this many getbiggers defend aikido? AIKIDO?!!!
Yes the philosophy of aikido is legit, and if you are strong, extremely advanced aikido practitioner and your opponent is a completely disoriented drunk old man then YES you can implement akido on him. But that is IT!
As an impartial dude I had to find something positive to say about aikido. But an all aikido practitioner vs any punch/kick/take down martial artist- will end up embarrassingly for the aikido practitioner.
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How can even this many getbiggers defend aikido? AIKIDO?!!!
Yes the philosophy of aikido is legit, and if you are strong, extremely advanced aikido practitioner and your opponent is a completely disoriented drunk old man then YES you can implement akido on him. But that is IT!
As an impartial dude I had to find something positive to say about aikido. But an all aikido practitioner vs any punch/kick/take down martial artist- will end up embarrassingly for the aikido practitioner.
stick to ninja Turtles :D
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you are a coward.
so fatmac i phoned 2 gyms from the list. spoke to the gym owners and no one knows a Nik Mcintyre. i did Forward on per email your Details stud ;) so expect some mail. One was very annoyed and is only 20 miles from you. your Buddy Gee is not online since he mentioned the gyms. Oh and one gym owner will take legal Action if his gym is mentioned on here. all mouth no Action son ;)
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If I wanted to show someone how to learn how to defend themselves they would learn more in 4 weeks boxing than all the other arts combined.
I had done basic boxing years ago but did it once a week for months about 3 years ago with my mate who had competed undefeated in Muay Thai many times. I just wanted to practice defence and basic power punches. I definitely felt after that time i knew how to put all the power in the right places for basic punches/Uppercuts/hooks (went over these a bit to make sure power was coming through) and keep guard up the whole time. I already had strength and conditioning from other sports i wanted to be able to throw properly and block properly.
Anyone thinking of watching that bullshito video fucking watch it fuck that's funny. At no point does he block punches or defend himself. Donny is fucked in the head.
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pay my fees and i will sort this upstart out >:(
give me your Bank Details and i will come over
I want Hotel expenses and travel .. then i will fight this guy. so where is the ring? Which Gym ?
listen big rich man...if i am an old frail man. you pay for my ticket and Board and iīll come over.
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You know the truth, you are a Coward.
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TL;DR.
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I don't think it's to deadly. Death seems like an uneasiness step if you have already more or less paralyzed your opponent. Like spiking someones head to the ground, break opponents joints etc. You do understand that this is not allowed in MMA, and avoided, unless there is a mistake, especially during demonstrations.
You can only put the opponent in a submission hold and allow the opponent a chance to tap, but not outright snapping fingers, a wrist or arm and other joint manipulation.
Of course, because they are too deadly. It reminds when this "Ninjitsu warrior" came into the Gracie academy and after getting choked out in minutes claimed that it was because he held back. He had "nothing against" the BJJ student he was fighting (a purple belt). Rorion just said, "Well, that's really nice of you but how about now. One of our students, a mid level student just kicked your ass in front of your students. He signed a waiver. You can do anything you want. You came to us to prove yourself."
The Ninjitsu master went through some psyching up routine and did a little growl and went at it again. He again got choked unconscious within minutes.
Maybe these guys are really the most deadly fighters in the world. But it's useless and pointless if they never fight.
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You know the truth, you are a Coward.
they are your quotes
you bottled it stumpy
you shat yourself like the drunk you are
lets show get big what you look like a real tough guy
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they are your quotes
you bottled it stumpy
you shat yourself like the drunk you are
lets show get big what you look like a real tough guy
you are really an idiot.... ;D
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I don't think it's to deadly. Death seems like an uneasiness step if you have already more or less paralyzed your opponent. Like spiking someones head to the ground, break opponents joints etc. You do understand that this is not allowed in MMA, and avoided, unless there is a mistake, especially during demonstrations.
You can only put the opponent in a submission hold and allow the opponent a chance to tap, but not outright snapping fingers, a wrist or arm and other joint manipulation.
there were no rules in the ufc when it started
the people that did well were wrestlers who could take people down and control them
jujitsu guys who could sub people
and heavy handed strikers who could knock people out
and that's exactly who does well now that there are rules
martial arts are more evolved know because it is tested in full contact competitions
hence the most effective techniques are the ones practiced
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possibly
there were no rules in the ufc when it started
the people that did well were wrestlers who could take people down and control them
jujitsu guys who could sub people
and heavy handed strikers who could knock people out
and that's exactly who does well now that there are rules
martial arts are more evolved know because it is tested in full contact competitions
hence the most effective techniques are the ones practiced
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there were no rules in the ufc when it started
the people that did well were wrestlers who could take people down and control them
jujitsu guys who could sub people
and heavy handed strikers who could knock people out
and that's exactly who does well now that there are rules
martial arts are more evolved know because it is tested in full contact competitions
hence the most effective techniques are the ones practiced
yes but when challenged you have to practice them .. you canīt.
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yes but when challenged you have to practice them .. you canīt.
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Geez Fatmac is that it? A pic from some old dude called Donald Smith. you are really a Coward. It does not matter what the getbig comunitie think..you know and i know what really went down.
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Geez Fatmac is that it? A pic from some old dude called Donald Smith. you are really a Coward. It does not matter what the getbig comunitie think..you know and i know what really went down.
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Coward
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This shit is as effective as Tai Chi in a fight.
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guess you forgot this post Donald 8)
well if you have to edit posts Fatmac then you are desperate. You have no longer a "reputation" on here. be a good boy and stop trying to play the Hard man because you aint.
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well if you have to edit posts Fatmac then you are desperate. You have no longer a "reputation" on here. be a good boy and stop trying to play the Hard man because you aint.
its you that keeps challenging people to a fight
then asking for five grand to turn up
lets leave it there 8)
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its you that keeps challenging people to a fight
then asking for five grand to turn up
lets leave it there 8)
Coward ::)
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As a young teen I studied Tae Kwon Do. I wanted to be the best I could be at any martial art. The reason I chose Tae Kwon Do was it was the only art available where the instructor had mandatory sparring which I loved. He was also savvy enough to allow us the privilege of sparring other arts at his and other studios. Funny how I thought I was a badass back then. Funnier yet is how I never used My Tae Kwon Do skills in any real fight as I instinctively knew they would not work. What served me well in the real fights where some skills I learned from close quarter sticking aNd ground grappling. I really believe that most karate type arts are a joke against a real fight especially one against something g the like of the Gracies. Watching that they do proves this to me time and time again. Steven Seagal and the shirt he does is carp for the movies just like Bruce Lee. Chuck Norris is different in that he started in the Korean karate and has since trained in many others to broaden his game. Even today at seventy five years old he aspires to learn something new in fighting.
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eric 2 I agree with TKD
it was my entry level martial art. what it taught me was- to get fit- being able to see out numerous kicking drills took loads of energy. also the sparring was a good intro into someone coming at you and getting used to that keeping the calm head feeling. I then went to boxing to sharpen up my hands for TKD. I found it a rude awakening but some of the awareness and footwork needed in taekwondo gave an advantage to people who had just turned up to do their first boxing. then the love of boxing took over and i phased the TKD out- I then did lau gar which eventually took me to FSK.
Donny- no axe to grind with you anymore some stuff is best left in the past but bigmc is telling the truth here. either way move on lads- donny your stuff on the training section and stuff about gironda resonates and its interesting. so lets keep stuff there eh? my days of getting into inter web spats are long gone as a spell behind the door last year and my first daughter mean its not for me anymore.
now back on topic.......
I judge the effectiveness of an art by how effective the average practitioner is. I did some JKD with bob been in hoxton and the standard of awareness in terms of speed and distance were very advanced.
I found shotokhan practitioners who were average to overly rely on the reverse punch/ front kick/ leg sweep combo. I found lau gar relied on the backlist. ave TKD were useless if the gap was closed without their legs to get the out of trouble. average thai i found lacked cardio and were really stiff in the guard.
average boxers however can always throw a punch and get in the trenches.
ave BJJ are great on the ground but if they can't takedown they are sitting ducks.
get an elite level at any of these and they will be good regardless of style.
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UK police learn Akido aspart of their training. Maybe that's why they re so useless.
Erm PC Brennan of Thames valley police told me that's what she was taught.
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Erm PC Brennan of Thames valley police told me that's what she was taught.
hes pulling your chain mate
the restraints and holds and takedowns
were designed specifically for law enforcement
they are designed to inflict minimum injury
akido is for snapping shit and fucking it up
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hes pulling your chain mate
the restraints and holds and takedowns
were designed specifically for law enforcement
they are designed to inflict minimum injury
akido is for snapping shit and fucking it up
Aikido is about harmony.. the way of Harmony. I still try to perfect my Sabaki. Jo and Ken i practise to this day.
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Shimizu Sensei... i met him in Germany and Christian Tissier.
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Shimizu Sensei... i met him in Germany and Christian Tissier.
Its like fucking ballet dancing
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I would compare Aikido to Tai Chi.
I may be way off base but it seems more like a spiritual thing than an actual martial art for combat.
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Its like fucking ballet dancing
beautiful
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I would compare Aikido to Tai Chi.
I may be way off base but it seems more like a spiritual thing than an actual martial art for combat.
Aikido is for advanced people.
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Your average high school wrestler would destroy one of those silly china men.
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Your average high school wrestler would destroy one of those silly china men.
So dumb itīs unreal... you mumma washing your pants boy ?
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what about the romany martial art- Pikido?
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So dumb itīs unreal... you mumma washing your pants boy ?
I'm dead serious. A high school wrestler would double leg these fools in about twenty seconds get a full mount and it would be over. That stuff is high level but it's all show. I did two kinds of martial arts growing up. Both were variations of karate. We did light sparring that was it. Both greatly improved my flexibility coordination speed accuracy etc. But when it came down too it I still didn't really know how to fight.
I learned more in one year of high school wrestling. It's super effective if you get in a one on one fight. We use to get into with the rival school the didn't have a wrestling program. It was always double leg once the guy is down you drop bombs it's over.
Add some boxing on top of that you have a deadly combatant
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Painful to watch. True Seagal is 63 years old but when you look at guys like Norris and Stallone he seems like he can hardly move. Just lumbers around. I like his
look though. Looks like a bad ass. Big and burly. I think he's about 6'5".
I studied Akido for about two years starting from the age of 8 years. Trying to apply it in real life situations I realized that it is an utterly useless martial art.
Maybe it was effective during Ueshiba's time but ever since they took out no holds bar training and choreograph everything it's become so watered down that it actually is worse than useless because it's practitioners actually believe they can defend themselves.
Every Akido demonstration I've seen is always the same. One guy effortlessly throwing around a bunch of other guys "attacking" in a way that would never happen
in real life. Which is why an Akido practitioner could never defend themselves like that in real life.
Looks great in movies, though.
In his newer movies,not that I have ever made it through one of them,during fight scenes they just show a body moving,no head attatched shots.
He looks like Bela Lugosi in Plan 9 From Outer Space.
Time was unkind to our fat friend.
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how much you reckon seagal weigh these days and how many calories do you think he consumes?
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in seagals defence I saw a programme about him a while back and he was working on a boat as a chef. you are bound to put on weight surrounded by food and without a dojo to train at.
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dude is also good for 15 million dollars, if you had that kinda money and you could go on any restaurants all day, all week, travel to different cities, different countries... it would be a pretty miserable life not to allow yourself to eat ... i mean chicken rice and broccoli doesnt really do it anymore.
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then again with 15 mill he could live on pretty much muscle tech and cybergenics.
and stop looking like fu man motherfucking chu
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segal is an old man
back in the day he was respected world wide as martial artist
word is he has had many fights to the death
and knows the secret five finger death punch
I await his debut in the ufc with great eagerness
Legit source inside the UFC told me that Dana White and the Fertitta brothers are strongly against Steven Segal participating in any UFC fight.
Infact Dana White and the Fertitta brothers knows that Segal would literally kill Cain Velasquez in the octagon and in front millions of peoples around the world watching the PPV event. And a murder in a such high profile UFC event would problably cause the USA Senate ban MMA !!!
The rumors about Segal knowing the secret five finger death punch and him having many fights to the death are all true.
Back in the 80' a friend of mine , who is a Yakuza affiliate , shipped to me a VHS tape regarding a Clandestine Fighting Tournament in an undisclosed location in Asia were Steven Segal killed all his opponents.
The Yakuza boss , who organized the Clandestine Fighting Tournament, was horrified by the brutality displayed by Segal killing all his opponents and banned Segal from ever participating again.
I was hunted for years from the vision of that VHS tape, by the ferocity and cruelty that Segal used in killing the other fighters !!!
Another incident regarding Segal steam from an infamous encounter at Roxbury night Club in Hollywood ,between Mike Tyson and the Akido Master that happened back in the early 90'.
I was very young at the time and my buddy Marcellus from the Gold's Gym Venice was a bouncer working at the Roxbury Club at the time.
Marcellus told that one night Tyson and his all entourage were harassing all the girls and bullying the bouncers ,making very unconfortable for the patrons to enjoy the night out at the club. Well... when all at the sudden Steven Segal make the entrance to club , one of the hottest waitress who was working at the club goes to Segal and ask him if could make Tyson stop the harassing. Segal walk to Tyson and tell him to stop behaving like an animal. Tyson was terrified by the presence of Steven Segal and his cold eyes and left the Roxbury Club with his crew without ever coming back !!!
Next day Don King after hearing the incident from Tyson entourage ,shipped a case of rare and expensive red wine from France to Segal as a thank you gift for not beating up and ruin the career of his precious prize fighter !!!
Steven Segal nowday is not fat, but he is an healthy permabulker who use his added bodyweight to be more deadly whenever struck a blow due the increased force.
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Does this guy win?
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Seagal is an obvious fraud, anybody who understands martial arts knows this. I would argue that if you are as old as Seagal, and you have failed to learn how to control your appetite and weight, you haven't even begun to understand even the basic principles of martial arts.