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Title: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 08, 2015, 07:27:41 AM
What I've seen so far is that the most popular bodybuilders are ..

1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Ronnie Coleman
3 Dorian Yates
4 Frank Zane


And probably  people has more respect/admiration for Frank's built than the rest .

I don't hear or see as many pics of Haney..... Am I wrong ?

If so, are you more of a fan of Lee Haney's build than Zane ?

Should Lee Haney be top 4 and not Zane?





WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: SF1900 on June 08, 2015, 07:32:23 AM
Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.

We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Royalty on June 08, 2015, 07:41:26 AM
Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.

We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.


Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.


I guess people consider that boring.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Nether Animal on June 08, 2015, 07:45:15 AM
I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BigRo on June 08, 2015, 08:20:53 AM

Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.


I guess people consider that boring.

how long of a break?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: ChristopherA on June 08, 2015, 08:34:28 AM
how long of a break?
You think he knows exactly how long Lee's off period's were?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: thegamechanger on June 08, 2015, 08:36:57 AM
haney is kinda weird for me, im a fan of him as far as his training etc but as far as physique goes... no

kinda like chris cormier, he placed pretty high a number of years but never was a fan of his physique either.

i prefer someone like serge nubret

(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/serge-nubret.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 08, 2015, 08:55:43 AM
Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hardgainerj on June 08, 2015, 09:14:44 AM
zane is overrated
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on June 08, 2015, 09:17:56 AM
Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)

WHEN people say it was close,that pic show's you how apart they were lee was still fuller/better shape,yates at that time when he posed he popped with all kinds freaky muscularity,haney relaxed was still huge.yates after that took it to the next level.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: local hero on June 08, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
Was the 1st time haney was pushed close, and that was dorians 2nd pro show...

Haney is a different level to Zane, photos of Zane would have never inspired me to start bodybuilding
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on June 08, 2015, 09:29:48 AM
Was the 1st time haney was pushed close, and that was dorians 2nd pro show...

Haney is a different level to Zane, photos of Zane would have never inspired me to start bodybuilding
dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: B R on June 08, 2015, 11:37:52 AM
Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)


Dorian deserved to win on haircut alone.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: funk51 on June 08, 2015, 11:49:03 AM
 :o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Ronnie Rep on June 08, 2015, 11:49:35 AM
dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..
I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 01:14:18 PM
I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.













Yes that's a good assessment.
Not haney's best year.

Otherwise Lee had a fantastic physique,
One of the best ever.
Comes across as a humble, decent man.
 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on June 08, 2015, 01:18:27 PM
I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
true...I watched a clip from that show the other day,,the top 6 considering a drug test lol,,,they still looked like pro's,even 10/15 pct off size ans or condition they looked pretty hard'no homo'lean'they lost that fullness/sharpness .deep etching standing relaxed ,the fuller traps,it was still a joke the testing.it was a one off to appease the drug act soon to be in effect 1991 controlled substance and weider to say see look we are 'clean'
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: local hero on June 08, 2015, 01:20:56 PM
dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..


I need to brush up on my history to become a true connoisseur of this sport...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on June 08, 2015, 01:23:40 PM
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Hulk-smash! on June 08, 2015, 01:28:18 PM
1. Sergio Oliva
2. Flex Wheeler
3. Lee Preist
4.Dorian Yates
5. Dennis Wolf - Although IMO this spot could be filled by a helluva lotta others.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hench on June 08, 2015, 01:45:03 PM
I don't give two squirts of piss what anyone says, Zane looked awesome, what a pic!
:o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on June 08, 2015, 01:47:04 PM

could see it in there neck and traps,and haney fdb was off ,his lats were not as full/thick in that shot,posed then look ok,relaxed is where they lost that polished full look..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 01:49:26 PM















 :o That drug testing hit Lee Haney hard.
I forgot just how much.
Still all had great physiques.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on June 08, 2015, 01:56:41 PM
Could you imagine if they drug tested today?  100% of them would look like absolute shit.  Worse than 1990 by far.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 02:01:56 PM
Could you imagine if they drug tested today?  100% of them would look like absolute shit.  Worse than 1990 by far.














Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on June 08, 2015, 02:05:03 PM













Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.

I take that back, Kai would still have muscle.  I forgot about his natural days.  He'd still look like shit though. He'd go from 260 to a soft 220 in a year.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 02:13:53 PM
I take that back, Kai would still have muscle.  I forgot about his natural days.  He'd still look like shit though. He'd go from 260 to a soft 220 in a year.














I tend to think Kai would look reasonable.
I'd like to see Phil Heath & Ramy without gear.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: thegamechanger on June 08, 2015, 02:14:41 PM
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 02:17:22 PM
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)














Jeez.... :o
A very different looking Kia.
From what year was that photo.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: thegamechanger on June 08, 2015, 02:19:23 PM
not sure but it said he was 18 on the link where i got it so that mustve been 20-25 years ago
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on June 08, 2015, 02:22:13 PM
You can't go from a high weight to a much lower weight and expect to look the same.  It doesn't work that way.  The way the skin is on the muscle would look different. His waist grew and wouldn't look the same 40 lbs lighter.  He'd have muscle but he wouldn't look like that. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 08, 2015, 02:24:35 PM
not sure but it said he was 18 on the link where i got it so that mustve been 20-25 years ago













Understandable, we all change with that much age.

We don't see the Likes of Tony Pearson & his insane vacuum
On stage nowadays.

Though he probably weighed around the 190/200lb mark.
Not the extra 30/40lb of extra guts like today.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 08, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
I don't know if is  "attainable" like people likes to call it but the ideal it is

(I'm not his biggest fan) but I've seen the tons of people he has inspired to train and try to avoid being "permabulkers"


WoooSSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Grim Lifter on June 08, 2015, 11:30:34 PM

:o That drug testing hit Lee Haney hard.
I forgot just how much.
Still all had great physiques.

Flex Mag reported that Lee Haney had the cleanest Urine out of all the tests and the tests also showed he had been clean for the longest time.

Apparantly those tests could tell when someone had taken their last shot of gear and exactly what it was.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Paxil Rose on June 08, 2015, 11:40:36 PM
Vic B,

What do you think of that pic of Frank Zane

THE PR
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 11, 2015, 06:12:39 AM
I wonder what Phil Heath has to say about Frank's physique given that Frank was known as mr. Aesthetic and more popular than he ever will .




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on June 11, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
I wonder what Phil Heath has to say about Frank's physique given that Frank was known as mr. Aesthetic and more popular than he ever will be.













He probably hates him, as his Shoulders are too Wide.
And He hasn't got a Bloated Pregnant looking waist.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Howard on June 11, 2015, 12:53:27 PM

Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.


I guess people consider that boring.

Bingo!

His rival was Gaspari who never had the genetic talent to deal with a gifted legend like Haney.
Lee won 8 straight with minimal controversy and his personal life is solid and stable.
Plus, Lee was a gentleman and class act.

Had he gotten busy with some ripe citrus , sold his used trunks, or plowed a tranny, he might generate more threads. Hmmm, if nothing else, perhaps some gym selfies with duck faces might have generated hype?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 11, 2015, 01:08:45 PM
I really do not recall which author said it...."Frank Zane looked like a POW, Lee Haney looked like a refridgerator with veins"........
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Howard on June 11, 2015, 01:24:15 PM
:o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.

There are plenty of  5'9" lean guys working out in gyms, around 185-195 lbs.
NONE look anything like Zane.
Zane had this unique classic line to his physique and damn near perfect muscle shape.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: che on June 11, 2015, 01:57:45 PM
Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BIG AL MCKECHNIE on June 11, 2015, 02:29:43 PM
Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .


They both appeal to gay men.
The whole genre of Hercules / Gladiator films of the 50's and 60's were gay porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it was so blatant they spoofed  it in Airplane. This is why Reeves is so popular.





Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: cephissus on June 11, 2015, 08:30:00 PM
Haney is basically as good as it gets, IMO.  After him, guys got bigger but not really any better.

You could say he brought the bodybuilding to its end.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: cephissus on June 11, 2015, 08:31:55 PM
Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .

Absolutely.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: TTfit on June 11, 2015, 08:35:48 PM
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)

Kai was natty for the longest time. Truly great genetics.

When he was genuine natty most thought he was on gear. I believe he was a genetic freak.

He might be one of my favorite bodybuilders if not for his personality. And the hair. I absolutely hate the hair.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on June 18, 2015, 01:19:52 PM
Kai was natty for the longest time. Truly great genetics.

When he was genuine natty most thought he was on gear. I believe he was a genetic freak.

He might be one of my favorite bodybuilders if not for his personality. And the hair. I absolutely hate the hair.
Did he have intercourse with fruit when he was natty ? Only with organic fruit I hope..... :-X
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Tennisballz on June 18, 2015, 01:51:31 PM
(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
did he not have a penis back then?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: ritch on June 18, 2015, 06:19:25 PM
Flex Mag reported that Lee Haney had the cleanest Urine out of all the tests and the tests also showed he had been clean for the longest time.

Apparantly those tests could tell when someone had taken their last shot of gear and exactly what it was.

what a fuckin' load of bullshit, and you actually believe that??? Pouahahaha, oh man... So he just cheated less then, is that it?

And Flex mag ALWAYS tells it as it is huh???

And Kai with his fuckin' trunks pulled up like some queer. Just ban the guy already, dude is the WORST thing for the image that is pretty much beyond repair now anyways, so whatever I guess....
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: forillagorilla on June 18, 2015, 09:52:34 PM
1. Sergio Oliva
2. Flex Wheeler
3. Lee Preist
4.Dorian Yates
5. Dennis Wolf - Although IMO this spot could be filled by a helluva lotta others.

If that is your top 5 list of all time BB - you really have no business ever posting again. You must have a really incredible physique  ::)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2015, 07:42:08 AM
Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.

We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.



This.


Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 09, 2015, 07:53:03 AM
I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90

He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hardgainerj on July 09, 2015, 08:02:09 AM
frank is overrated
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hardgainerj on July 09, 2015, 08:18:45 AM
(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on July 09, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)

Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 09, 2015, 01:33:09 PM
(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)
'THE SHADOW'LITERALLY GETTING SHADOWED..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Ugly on July 09, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.

"Finally learned how to peak," he said from the podium. I'd put his '91 physique up there with the best - prefer the less-freaky classics, though.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 09, 2015, 01:48:58 PM
"Finally learned how to peak," he said from the podium. I'd put his '91 physique up there with the best - prefer the less-freaky classics, though.
EVEN HIS ARMS CONSIDERED A WEAK POINT,RELAXED THERE LOOKED BIGGER THAN USUAL...CRAZY HOW HE LOOKED FOR THAT SHOW..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 09, 2015, 01:53:04 PM
He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.



I still think overall Haney was better than Labrada in 1989

In the eyes or many  Labrada should have beaten Flex Whealer in AC 93'classic ...but  the 0% BodyFat BS and the internet clouded the fans minds to this date
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 09, 2015, 01:57:31 PM
He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.



Not seen that routine for a while, that my friends is what bodybuilding presentation should look like.

How far the sport has fallen
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Ugly on July 09, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
EVEN HIS ARMS CONSIDERED A WEAK POINT,RELAXED THERE LOOKED BIGGER THAN USUAL...CRAZY HOW HE LOOKED FOR THAT SHOW..

His shoulders/traps and chest were just so overpowering, best he'd ever looked. And his shit always flowed, too. Perfect that year.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldtimer1 on July 09, 2015, 05:16:39 PM
Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters.  ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 09, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters.  ;D
i agree 100 pct,,, wasn't zane's best look here tho..his legs late60's early 70's were big compared to later yrs ,i guess he brought them down and conditioned to get illussion of classic bbing he wanted..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Ugly on July 10, 2015, 02:11:26 AM
Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters.  ;D

Huge Zane fan. But like Reeves, Arnold, Haney, etc., I've always preferred athletic, statue-type "swimmers" to the awkwardly-dense freaks.

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 10, 2015, 06:38:46 AM
Huge Zane fan. But like Reeves, Arnold, Haney, etc., I've always preferred athletic, statue-type "swimmers" to the awkwardly-dense freaks.



Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fans go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.



WooSSHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: SuperTed on July 10, 2015, 06:42:27 AM
Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fan go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.

WooSSHHHHHHHHH

Yeah, when I was young, I just wanted to get as big as possible. I wanted to look like a strongman competitor so didn't even care what my bf was like. As you get older, you realize that being lean and athletic looks far better.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Grape Ape on July 10, 2015, 07:15:02 AM
Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.

Yates is turned.

Dorian won the muscularity round against Haney when Haney was in his best shape ever.  He didn't get destroyed, he almost beat him.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on July 10, 2015, 07:33:07 AM
Could you imagine if they drug tested today?  100% of them would look like absolute shit.  Worse than 1990 by far.

wiggs they wouldlook so bad,  the fans would be throwing protein containers and syringes at them  on stage.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: mazrim on July 10, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fan go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.



WooSSHHHHHHHHH
Hopefully a second coming of the zane style physique. Much better then the norm bbing physique these days.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Yamcha on July 10, 2015, 08:18:42 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=628393;image)

This is the guy that shot up that church, right?!
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: TheShape. on July 10, 2015, 09:24:43 AM
Hopefully a second coming of the zane style physique. Much better then the norm bbing physique these days.
That Sadik fellow looks awesome, great classic physique.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on July 10, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Zane.  Without question. Without doubt.  Without hesitation.  Zane.


Haney is above Yates, but not the Oak, Reeves, Nubret or...Zane.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:15:54 AM
Zane.  Without question. Without doubt.  Without hesitation.  Zane.


Haney is above Yates, but not the Oak, Reeves, Nubret or...Zane.
Frank Zane  100%
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on July 10, 2015, 10:29:15 AM
I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing.  Haney is better than him in every aspect.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:30:23 AM
I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing.  Haney is better than him in every aspect.
why bigger vs Symmetry ?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on July 10, 2015, 10:31:19 AM
why bigger vs Symmetry ?

Haney is the epitome of symmetry AND he's bigger.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on July 10, 2015, 10:31:23 AM
I remember the Haney Mr. O era, EVERYONE used to criticize his arms as being overshadowed by the rest of his physique...
In my opinion, he should have lost a few for sure, I know Labrada had him in one contest, possibly Shawn Ray in another!!!

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on July 10, 2015, 10:32:01 AM
I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing.  Haney is better than him in every aspect.

And that's fine.  Nothing at all wrong with that.  
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on July 10, 2015, 10:34:45 AM
5'9 180 vs. 5'11 245...Are you kidding me?  Zane would wiped off the stage. And that 5'11 245 comes with a 32 inch waist, a vacuum and flaring lats.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 10, 2015, 10:38:26 AM
I remember the Haney Mr. O era, EVERYONE used to criticize his arms as being overshadowed by the rest of his physique...
In my opinion, he should have lost a few for sure, I know Labrada had him in one contest, possibly Shawn Ray in another!!!



he was 23 years old in 1984
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:39:58 AM
Haney is the epitome of symmetry AND he's bigger.
So Bigger is your answer. I like Haney but he never had the Olympian look which Zane admired..and got. I also do not think Haney had the Deeper understanding of Zen which Zane had. Why is that important? for some not so but i admire Zane´s Intelligence.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 10:46:28 AM
Zane was in my eyes the only Mr Olympia to understand and be as close to a Greek Statue of a God..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on July 10, 2015, 11:10:17 AM
So Bigger is your answer. I like Haney but he never had the Olympian look which Zane admired..and got. I also do not think Haney had the Deeper understanding of Zen which Zane had. Why is that important? for some not so but i admire Zane´s Intelligence.

No, bigger is not my answer.  Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on July 10, 2015, 11:14:06 AM
No, bigger is not my answer.  Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.
He did pull off a great Vacuum and was one of the last greats in my opinion. I have to mention Bill Grant Here... Great Guy and was a Great Bodybuilder :)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Thespritz0 on July 10, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
ZANE...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 13, 2015, 08:40:41 PM
Awesome LEE


WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 13, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Frank .
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Ugly on July 13, 2015, 08:50:22 PM
Awesome LEE


WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gorgeous tits.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 14, 2015, 06:50:41 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: MORTALCOIL on July 15, 2015, 06:19:53 AM
;D

Would have loved to be that sword on the wall.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 16, 2015, 06:46:58 AM
Hard to believe Lee Haney won more Mr.O's and in more recent years than Arnold...yet Arnold's exposure in bodybuilding mags makes Lee look  like he never won anything .....

I still think Zane "probably" has more fans than Lee too and he was a champ in the 70's.




WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on July 16, 2015, 10:53:25 AM
Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters.  ;D


your right about that old timer, mike mentzer to for that matter
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on July 16, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
A God . . .

http://www.agelesstimeless.com/featured/frank_zane/frank_zane.html

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 11, 2015, 08:35:27 AM
What I've seen so far is that the most popular bodybuilders are ..

1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Ronnie Coleman
3 Dorian Yates
4 Frank Zane


And probably  people has more respect/admiration for Frank's built than the rest .

I don't hear or see as many pics of Haney..... Am I wrong ?

If so, are you more of a fan of Lee Haney than Zane ?

Should Lee Haney be top 4 and not Zane?





WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on August 11, 2015, 09:00:27 AM
A God . . .

http://www.agelesstimeless.com/featured/frank_zane/frank_zane.html


amazing...really,when the term swimmer get thrown around here,and people saying it never posts a pic other than saying 'i'll keep my build 'lol,,,take a pic in same poses and compare to the 'swimmer'good luck...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: CT_Muscle on August 11, 2015, 09:05:02 AM

Kai would have a decent build he's been training for YEARS












Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hench on August 11, 2015, 11:31:13 AM
zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did
amazing...really,when the term swimmer get thrown around here,and people saying it never posts a pic other than saying 'i'll keep my build 'lol,,,take a pic in same poses and compare to the 'swimmer'good luck...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on August 11, 2015, 11:32:20 AM
zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did
I BELIEVE SO HENCH...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on August 11, 2015, 11:55:44 AM
just goes to show how much more popular and mainstream bodybuilding was in the late 70's and early 80's

you had arnold, zane and mentzer all three were highly popular and widely known, you could say  after that guard was done.

the sport got less and less popular, lets be real here, haney was not that popular and didnt have much fan fare.  yes he won 8 olympias

but outside the small cult fallowing, not many peopole knew who he was. this all goes to the bigger is better mentality  that overtook the

judging.  i would even venture to say that samir  was the last olympia winner who had a beautiful  build on him  after that all down hill

ever since.   dorian took over for  haney in the more is better department, i wonder how the sport would be today if the judges had

awared the title to someone such as flex wheeler,  lee priest of even shawn ray.


chime in  !
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: dj181 on August 11, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
King Zane's greatest pic imo

absolutely perfect proportions right there
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on August 11, 2015, 12:06:17 PM
King Zane's greatest pic imo

absolutely perfect proportions right there
:o...the return,,,,
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: dj181 on August 11, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
:o...the return,,,,

 ;D

but i plan to keep my ego in check this time around, so we will see

and mad respect for your dedication to the iron brother  8)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on August 11, 2015, 01:22:55 PM
;D

but i plan to keep my ego in check this time around, so we will see

and mad respect for your dedication to the iron brother  8)
8) TO HAVE U BACK....I KEPT YOUR 'LEGACY'ALIVE WITH SOME FASHION THREADS  ;D...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Thin Lizzy on August 11, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
This pic is an Anatomy chart:

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on August 11, 2015, 03:09:45 PM
King Zane's greatest pic imo

absolutely perfect proportions right there

I'll be damned.  Look who's back.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: old-school-lifter on August 11, 2015, 07:08:19 PM
Haney was joking when he said he finally learnt how to peak @ THE 91 O

HE knew hwo to peak

many consider 86 and 91 his best form
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on August 11, 2015, 07:12:14 PM
Haney was joking when he said he finally learnt how to peak @ THE 91 O

HE knew hwo to peak

many consider 86 and 91 his best form

No he wasn't joking. Read his book he elaborates how either a day before or a day after the contest he would peak instead of the day of

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Ugly on August 11, 2015, 09:35:54 PM
Zaney, no-brainer.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dr Dutch on August 12, 2015, 12:24:15 PM
Zaney, no-brainer.
I'd go for Franklee Insanely, for, the Zane-animal Kingdom.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on August 14, 2015, 02:06:54 PM
zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did

Zane, Reeves, Arnold, Draper, Pearl, Park, Mentzer...Those men of the past brought forward today would all turn heads.  The pitiful pigs of today only turn two things:

Stomachs.

And schmoes on.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 08, 2015, 06:00:47 AM
Question :

Featuring Mr.O champ Frank Zane on the cover of muscle mags plus articles, interview and classic pictorials,  do better in sales than the current pros?




WoooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH




Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on September 08, 2015, 06:03:29 AM
Zane, Reeves, Arnold, Draper, Pearl, Park, Mentzer...Those men of the past brought forward today would all turn heads.  The pitiful pigs of today only turn two things:

Stomachs.

And schmoes on.
Ahmen ...Brother ;)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: MCWAY on September 08, 2015, 08:50:37 AM
just goes to show how much more popular and mainstream bodybuilding was in the late 70's and early 80's

you had arnold, zane and mentzer all three were highly popular and widely known, you could say  after that guard was done.

the sport got less and less popular, lets be real here, haney was not that popular and didnt have much fan fare.  yes he won 8 olympias

but outside the small cult fallowing, not many peopole knew who he was. this all goes to the bigger is better mentality  that overtook the

judging.  i would even venture to say that samir  was the last olympia winner who had a beautiful  build on him  after that all down hill

ever since.   dorian took over for  haney in the more is better department, i wonder how the sport would be today if the judges had

awared the title to someone such as flex wheeler,  lee priest of even shawn ray.


chime in  !

Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 13, 2015, 07:47:06 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 03, 2016, 06:44:25 AM
30 years ago Being Mr.Olympia at 5'11' 250 lbs was way more marketable (better) than the actual mr.O.....

Too bad Haney doesnt get the credit he deserves .



WooOSHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: falco on March 03, 2016, 08:01:08 AM
Haney took secondary hypogonadism to a new whole level.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on March 04, 2016, 08:12:23 AM
 ;D

I remember Arnold looking at Haney and saying  "WoW Guess I was wrong about Lee, he might have a chance at breaking my record after all" .




WooOSHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on March 04, 2016, 06:30:00 PM
Could you imagine if they drug tested today?  100% of them would look like absolute shit.  Worse than 1990 by far.

Would? They already do. Maybe them getting off drugs would actually be an improvement to 100% of their physiques.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on March 04, 2016, 07:49:31 PM
i agree 100 pct,,, wasn't zane's best look here tho..his legs late60's early 70's were big compared to later yrs ,i guess he brought them down and conditioned to get illussion of classic bbing he wanted..

Zane went as high as 220-225 in the late 60's/early 70's believe it or not. 1982 he was slightly over 200 at the Mr. O and in 1983 he was down to 180 pounds.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on March 04, 2016, 08:05:13 PM
5'9 180 vs. 5'11 245...Are you kidding me?  Zane would wiped off the stage. And that 5'11 245 comes with a 32 inch waist, a vacuum and flaring lats.

Haney was well into his 250's in 1991.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: cephissus on March 05, 2016, 05:01:16 AM
zane mentioned in the same sentence as haney, lol... i guess whitey needs his reassurance ::)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on March 05, 2016, 07:13:43 AM
zane mentioned in the same sentence as haney, lol... i guess whitey needs his reassurance ::)

As racially childish as those that use "dindu nuffin" sans provocation.  Given your history, I doubt you realized this. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Nether Animal on March 05, 2016, 07:34:04 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=672042;image)

'91 guest posing. Gives us a glimpse of what "Could have been" if Lee stuck around and kept upping the size game to hang with Dorian. Would have been an interesting matchup in '92

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396303.0;attach=431287;image)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: V Man on March 05, 2016, 07:57:45 AM
I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.

I agree, I thought Christian was better than Haney that year.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 22, 2017, 07:52:36 AM
for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, Lee rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.



WooOSHHH LEVRO-NEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 22, 2017, 07:53:44 AM
frank zane just had a nicer looking physique, never did see what was so great about haney
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 22, 2017, 07:54:46 AM
Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.

mcway you are way off on that one, mike mentzer was very popular during his short run, he was a great writer as well.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dave D on February 22, 2017, 08:12:55 AM
mcway you are way off on that one, mike mentzer was very popular during his short run, he was a great writer as well.

I think he means outside of the bb community.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: oldschoolfan on February 22, 2017, 09:13:56 AM
well just lou ferrigno,   thats about it

dolph lundgren was pretty huge at one time int he 80's   he is more well known from rocky 4 than any pro bb competing right now
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 23, 2017, 06:17:21 AM
No, bigger is not my answer.  Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.


This

  WooSHHHHHH  LEVRO-NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on February 23, 2017, 07:16:02 AM
Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on February 23, 2017, 07:18:04 AM
Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.
Samir is like wow I was mr o yrs ago now I blew out my waist chasing this guy...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Nether Animal on February 23, 2017, 07:28:44 AM
Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.

In '91 his legs had improved quite a bit.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607123.0;attach=674587;image)


But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.

(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 23, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
Samir is like wow I was mr o yrs ago now I blew out my waist chasing this guy...


QFT

Woshhhhhhh
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on February 23, 2017, 07:32:05 AM
In '91 his legs had improved quite a bit.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607123.0;attach=674587;image)


But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.

(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)
he was incredible that yr,,,did all for the 'final'bow...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on February 24, 2017, 10:32:53 AM
1990 version of Lee.. ;)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 24, 2017, 10:55:50 AM
I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90

He didn't dominate in 1983 either. Although he did place 3rd and Zane 4th, so I'll give you that. The improvements he made from 1982 to 1983 and then to 1984 were remarkable.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on February 24, 2017, 11:17:47 AM


Wo. How much did Haney weigh in 1990? Not his billed weight, but his actual weight? Looks to be MAX 230.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hench on February 24, 2017, 11:28:38 AM
Who knows but I've never seen that video before and I think he still looks awesome, every bit the champ amongst that lot.
Wo. How much did Haney weigh in 1990? Not his billed weight, but his actual weight? Looks to be MAX 230.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 24, 2017, 01:31:07 PM
His 3 Sandows are more admired and respected than all Philsulin sandows combined ....that must suck




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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on February 24, 2017, 07:15:21 PM
Zane.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: fredrollon on February 24, 2017, 10:23:56 PM
Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.

I think Haney,during his reign, had more mainstream exposure, than any Mr Olympia before or since.

Fame is an ephemeral thing.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 18, 2017, 07:19:02 AM
Awesome LEE


WOOOSHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dieter on July 18, 2017, 07:33:29 AM
(https://bashny.net/uploads/images/00/00/35/2013/05/11/de4b5def74.jpg) :-X :-X
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on July 18, 2017, 01:33:58 PM
He didn't dominate in 1983 either. Although he did place 3rd and Zane 4th, so I'll give you that. The improvements he made from 1982 to 1983 and then to 1984 were remarkable.

and only 23 when he won his first Mr O
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: nukkaready on July 18, 2017, 01:51:36 PM
.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: dj181 on July 18, 2017, 01:53:10 PM
But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.

(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)

JESUS

god awful arms in that pose

mentzers arms DESTROY his

hell,  even bequeer might have him beat on arms LOLZ
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 18, 2017, 02:13:33 PM
JESUS

god awful arms in that pose

mentzers arms DESTROY his

hell,  even bequeer might have him beat on arms LOLZ
HANEY looked bestfor 'him'in the crab pose,he did the kev/ray hands clasped but he looked 'ok'in it,when he was his'best'fullest' the crab was it..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: dj181 on July 18, 2017, 02:24:41 PM
HANEY looked bestfor 'him'in the crab pose,he did the kev/ray hands clasped but he looked 'ok'in it,when he was his'best'fullest' the crab was it..

he lacked arms but he did have an outstanding torso

imagine mentzers arms on his torso  8)

good to have you back brosef
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on July 18, 2017, 05:09:47 PM
and only 23 when he won his first Mr O
24(almost 25). Still phenomenal though.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on July 18, 2017, 10:25:25 PM
Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 19, 2017, 07:10:39 AM
Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover
HIS LEGS THEN were pretty impressive ,when his torso blew up 84/85/86 his legs leveled out with the bigger top
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Natural_O on July 19, 2017, 07:14:01 AM
24(almost 25). Still phenomenal though.

You're right, he was born in '59 and won his first Olympia in '84 (right before his 25th birthday).
Arnold was the youngest winner at 23 years old.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: dj181 on July 19, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
HIS LEGS THEN were pretty impressive ,when his torso blew up 84/85/86 his legs leveled out with the bigger top

who gives a shit about legs

arms and pecs is EVERYTHING
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on August 29, 2017, 07:27:29 AM
frank zane just had a nicer looking physique, never did see what was so great about haney



WoooSHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on August 29, 2017, 12:33:08 PM
who gives a shit about legs

arms and pecs is EVERYTHING



Clearly top level Bodybuilders do.

Arms & Pecs only  ::) jeez what an idiot.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on August 29, 2017, 12:34:03 PM


Clearly top level Bodybuilders do.

Arms & Pecs only  ::) jeez what an idiot.

he hasn't even got arms and pecs...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on August 29, 2017, 12:38:24 PM


WoooSHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEE

zane looks wicked here..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on August 29, 2017, 12:40:53 PM
he hasn't even got arms and pecs...


I kind of expected that

Or much grey matter either.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on August 29, 2017, 12:46:51 PM

I kind of expected that

Or much grey matter either.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on August 29, 2017, 12:50:20 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)



This be him 😱

Where are the Pecs & Arms.!!

Does he train at the MotherCare Gym
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Danimal77 on August 29, 2017, 07:26:44 PM
Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover

230 pounds onstage at his first Mr. 0. 240 pounds in 1984 and those 10 extra pounds show big time.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Never1AShow on August 29, 2017, 08:58:49 PM


WoooSHHHHHHH   LE VRO NEEEEEEEEEEEE


While good, that was not Haney, Haney.  He showed up in 84.  Zane was shallow from many angles
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on August 30, 2017, 07:37:45 PM
Haney sucks.  Haney is far better than that idiot Coleman.  That's called damning Haney with faith praise.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: AusBB on August 30, 2017, 11:50:10 PM

Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.


I guess people consider that boring.

Was Zane, Dorian or Arnold addicted to pain killers? I dont think so, so what's your point?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Bevo on August 31, 2017, 12:14:12 AM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)

Is this a real pic of him? Hahahaha

Those "German" genetics aren't there
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on September 05, 2017, 08:11:25 AM
Is this a real pic of him? Hahahaha

Those "German" genetics aren't there
GERMANIC...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 05, 2017, 08:17:45 AM
GERMANIC...

For all his talk about joooooooos he looks pretty jewish to me.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NotMrAverage on September 05, 2017, 08:34:37 AM
Watched the 89 olympia last night. Brian buchanon looks awesome there. As well as haney. Abit of a forgotten olympia. No synthol and that shit.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 05, 2017, 01:23:14 PM
Two of my fav Zane pics



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on September 05, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Lee Haney small waist and amazing torso ...



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Matt on September 05, 2017, 01:45:39 PM
Two of my fav Zane pics



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH 

I think he had a Rich Froning size build - around 5'9 and 190-lb, except leaner.  He trained for "balance" even though in reality he did everything he could to grow as much as possible, but just had the genetics to be 5'9 and 190-lb, but FLEX magazine created the tale of Zane training for balance when he just did what everyone else did.  Oh, and I also copied this post from someone else on here.  ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Simple Simon on September 05, 2017, 02:10:07 PM
I think he had a Rich Froning size build - around 5'9 and 190-lb, except leaner.  He trained for "balance" even though in reality he did everything he could to grow as much as possible, but just had the genetics to be 5'9 and 190-lb, but FLEX magazine created the tale of Zane training for balance when he just did what everyone else did.  Oh, and I also copied this post from someone else on here.  ;D
I could get my legs bigger if I wanted to, I just don't want chaffing thighs, my legs grew very easily when I started training.

My upper body struggles to gain size.

Legs for me now is
6 sets hacks with 30kilos max
6 sets leg curls with around 40kilos
5 sets calf raises with around 90kilos
3 sets stiff leg deadlifts with a 10 kilo plate.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 14, 2018, 06:23:08 AM
Awesome Lee; showing Wide shoulders ,small waist, ripped ans lean overall physique



WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 14, 2018, 07:03:46 AM
Estos Fisicos se acabaron ya .



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: funk51 on February 14, 2018, 09:04:47 AM
 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on February 14, 2018, 10:16:57 AM
1989-1979
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hench on February 14, 2018, 10:46:04 AM
Makes me laugh when people say zane had a swimmers physique. I haven't seen a swimmer close to having his build,  quality muscle carved to perfection
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on February 14, 2018, 12:10:12 PM
1989-1979

Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Trev on February 15, 2018, 01:20:55 AM
1989-1979

Funny looking back - The day after this competition Wayne Demilia (Top IFBB guy at the time) told me Haney had too much muscle on his frame. Said he hoped he would lose a bit and tighten up next year as he had taken his bodybuilding too far .....
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on February 15, 2018, 03:24:12 AM
Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.

And waist looks smaller than Zanes despite being taller and heavier.   
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on February 15, 2018, 05:34:53 AM
Haney is clearly crushing Zane. It's not even close.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: thatrandomguy#7 on February 15, 2018, 05:44:41 AM

They both appeal to gay men.
The whole genre of Hercules / Gladiator films of the 50's and 60's were gay porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it was so blatant they spoofed  it in Airplane. This is why Reeves is so popular.







does that make movies like Predator the gay porn of the 80s?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on February 15, 2018, 06:49:09 PM
Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.

Yeah.   Here's his taper.  FTN.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0864/9710/products/Fake_Poop_Human_Turd.jpeg?v=1459017826)

Haney is nowhere near as perfect as Zane.  He should have lost two or three of his SchmOelympias to Labrada.  I will say this, Haney is a better O than Dicksuckerson.

Lee "good food and Weider supplements and no stay-roids" Haney.

FTN.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Desolate on February 15, 2018, 09:51:04 PM
We go through this ad nauseam. ::)

It is always Zane vs. somebody.

Most of the time it is bodybuilders who have no right to the comparison.

Haney vs. Zane.

If you want to be bigger, you want to be Haney.

If you want to be smaller, but more detailed and complete, you want to be Zane.

Who would be more appealing to the general public?

Zane.

What look would pull more (and better quality) pussy, facial features and race notwithstanding?

Zane.

In fact, if bodybuilding really had a following today, and Zane was the current Mr. Olympia, I dare say that with his intelligence and charisma there is a good chance he'd be a mainstream celebrity.

And to close, these two guys are multiple Mr. Olympia winners. They both have most likely enjoyed good personal lives. They've made money and lived well. I doubt either cares what a bunch of guys on the GetBig forums think about them. ::)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 16, 2018, 06:13:48 AM
We go through this ad nauseam. ::)

It is always Zane vs. somebody.

Most of the time it is bodybuilders who have no right to the comparison.

Haney vs. Zane.

If you want to be bigger, you want to be Haney.

If you want to be smaller, but more detailed and complete, you want to be Zane.

Who would be more appealing to the general public?

Zane.

What look would pull more (and better quality) pussy, facial features and race notwithstanding?

Zane.

In fact, if bodybuilding really had a following today, and Zane was the current Mr. Olympia, I dare say that with his intelligence and charisma there is a good chance he'd be a mainstream celebrity.

And to close, these two guys are multiple Mr. Olympia winners. They both have most likely enjoyed good personal lives. They've made money and lived well. I doubt either cares what a bunch of guys on the GetBig forums think about them. ::)


Who would win in a bodybuilding contest ?

Haney.



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 16, 2018, 07:52:21 AM
I don't necessarily agree that emphasis should be put on "who pulls the most pussy" but even if Haney may win in a bodybuilding contest, Zane's physique is still very commendable.

Exactly !!!!  Bodybuilding is not about "who can pull the most amount of pussy "  never was, never will be ..... If it was, Bob Paris would have beat them both by a lot ! ...


But we know better  ;D



WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   LE VRO KNEEEEEEEs
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: be back on February 16, 2018, 11:25:02 AM
Haney may win but not just because he's the bigger guy. I would say that Zane is more streamlined overall but Haney still brings quality aesthetics with more mass on a bigger frame, a great back, etc. Even though he's bigger, he still has those aesthetic qualities that classic bodybuilding is all about. Zane would still beat many a big guy if they didn't have those aesthetic bodybuilding qualities.

Haneys legs from the back always made him look knock kneed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=555301.0;attach=587777;image)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on February 16, 2018, 10:29:58 PM
Berry was great then  8)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Taffin on February 17, 2018, 12:50:13 AM

Haha!  Strydom hitting that pose like he's never done it before lol  ;D  DeMey showing them both how it should be done there  8)

Haneys legs from the back always made him look knock kneed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=555301.0;attach=587777;image)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hench on February 17, 2018, 03:59:53 AM
And Strydom getting destroyed by both
 
No matter how a pose is done, to as correctly aesthetic as possible, if the person doesn't have the muscle compared to their competitor... they won't win. DeMey easily loses that pose to Haney, even though DeMey is hitting it better.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on February 17, 2018, 04:22:25 AM
No matter how a pose is done, to as correctly aesthetic as possible, if the person doesn't have the muscle compared to their competitor... they won't win. DeMey easily loses that pose to Haney, even though DeMey is hitting it better.


Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close

Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on February 17, 2018, 04:43:46 AM
Let's see Haney 8 Mr. Os.  No gut, vacuum, the last great Mr. Olympia, has his health, incredible ambassador. It's laughable that this is even a thread. Haney vs. Zane. Lolololololololol. Only you pale males could suggest such an absurd comparison. Zane looks good but Haney is the pinnacle of physique development.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dan-O on February 17, 2018, 03:06:17 PM

Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close

Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.

Agreed.  My eye is drawn to DeMey in this comparison.  Berry's lower back with its striated Christmas tree is also miles ahead of the other two.

It's a shame that Berry's bodybuilding career was cut short by his pec tear. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Nether Animal on February 17, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
Haha!  Strydom hitting that pose like he's never done it before lol  ;D  DeMey showing them both how it should be done there  8)


I don't even think Strydom has finished hitting it yet, but yes he sucks terribly in that pose and overdieted that year.

'91 WBF. He has an arm/delt dominant build anyway, I think from the front, at his best, he more than made up for it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67760.0;attach=77339;image)

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67760.0;attach=77340;image)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Taffin on February 17, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
I don't even think Strydom has finished hitting it yet, but yes he sucks terribly in that pose and overdieted that year.

Sure, I was being a tool about it, he's clearly just about to 'fold out'.....  just not by much....  ;)

'91 WBF. He has an arm/delt dominant build anyway, I think from the front, at his best, he more than made up for it.

No argument about that from me (or Vince).

(inserts 25 year old gif)

(http://s19.postimg.org/jz3203zdf/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BSN on February 18, 2018, 12:29:45 AM
WBF was a joke. The places were given in order of each contract value.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 20, 2018, 06:21:03 AM
Frank Zane is the prime example of a FATED individual ....

In 1977 Franco, Mr.O champ is out with a bad knee injury

Lou Ferrigno walks away at age 25 to do the HUlk tv series.

Serge Nubret is banned from competing IFBB

Arnold has retired two year earlier not even age 30 !!!

Sergio Oliva is at war with the Weiders so out of the picture too.


In other words, Frank would have been lucky to crack top 6 in 1977  , yet he ended up winning the Mr.O the reamining of the decade .



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on February 20, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
Frank Zane is the prime example of a FATED individual ....

In 1977 Franco, Mr.O champ is out with a bad knee injury

Lou Ferrigno walks away at age 25 to do the HUlk tv series.

Serge Nubret is banned from competing IFBB

Arnold has retired two year earlier not even age 30 !!!

Sergio Oliva is at war with the Weiders so out of the picture too.


In other words, Frank would have been lucky to crack top 6 in 1977  , yet he ended up winning the Mr.O the reamining of the decade



All True

Though None of it was anything to do with him
He took his chances & competed like the other who competed
And he was judged the winner

Yes what could have been for the others
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Tarantula157 on February 20, 2018, 07:04:24 PM

Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close

Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.
I would actually give that pose to Berry due to being more complete top to bottom,better detail and condition etc.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Desolate on February 21, 2018, 03:14:26 PM

Who would win in a bodybuilding contest ?

Haney.

WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  ;D


Yes, he would.

But most of the male population would prefer to look like Zane.

Most women would prefer their guy have a Zane-like physique, not a Haney-like one.


Exactly !!!!  Bodybuilding is not about "who can pull the most amount of pussy "  never was, never will be ..... If it was, Bob Paris would have beat them both by a lot ! ...

But we know better  ;D

WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   LE VRO KNEEEEEEEs


The topic is about the popularity of certain bodybuilders, not who would win in a bodybuilding contest between them.

Pay attention.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 21, 2018, 06:14:03 PM

Yes, he would.

But most of the male population would prefer to look like Zane.

Most women would prefer their guy have a Zane-like physique, not a Haney-like one.



The topic is about the popularity of certain bodybuilders, not who would win in a bodybuilding contest between them.

Pay attention.


Good point , but we're talking about popularity among bodybuilding in general not the average Joe or what a woman would choose .





WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH   BE YE KE
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 21, 2018, 05:44:06 AM
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH     TOTAL AWESOMEEEEEEE LEEEEEEEEEEE
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NotMrAverage on June 21, 2018, 07:05:56 AM
Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)


My eyes! My eyes!

Yates haircut kills me!
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on June 21, 2018, 12:56:48 PM
1989-1979

In this pic Zaney.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on June 21, 2018, 08:56:47 PM
Haney sucked.  Of course that's why he won.  FTN.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: johnny1 on June 22, 2018, 07:55:45 PM

All True

Though None of it was anything to do with him
He took his chances & competed like the other who competed
And he was judged the winner

Yes what could have been for the others
thats correct..he was there on the day...competed and won, History is full of people who never gave up or got discouraged because they were beaten time after time, persistence in ANYTHING will always give you a chance @ winning wether it’s golf, tennis, combat or anything else, if X Y or Z isn’t there on the day that’s got nothing too do with you, if your good enough your good enough on the day in question History books will record you as a winner and for others could of beens.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on June 23, 2018, 10:42:37 AM
There is so much contradiction in this " sport" everyone likes Zane better because is the ideal , perfection and yet attainable. So they say anyway......  Then those very same fans start comparing Haney and Yates. Saying that Yates was better because was freakier.   
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on June 23, 2018, 04:13:54 PM
There is so much contradiction in this " sport" everyone likes Zane better because is the ideal , perfection and yet attainable. So they say anyway......  Then those very same fans start comparing Haney and Yates. Saying that Yates was better because was freakier.   

Haney was a great Bodybuilder with a strong torso chest shoulders and back. his arms were very weak his legs were nothing special at all his abs were OK with a wierd split. between all three Id rather look like Zane. tough call between Yates and Haney but id probably lean toward Yates as he was more complete. which one is a greater bodybuilder Haney far more dominant against strong competition and way more Mr. Os. to his name.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 17, 2019, 06:00:37 AM
WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 17, 2019, 06:02:19 AM
WooSHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 17, 2019, 07:22:24 AM
Got back ?


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on June 13, 2019, 06:51:47 AM
Back to basics .



Wooshhhhhhh  total Leeeeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on June 13, 2019, 07:11:43 AM
Back to basics .



Wooshhhhhhh  total Leeeeeeeeeee


Incredible shot. Very detailed without overblown arms.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on June 13, 2019, 06:17:20 PM
Frank Zane makes me continue to trim up/not play the size game

thank you frank
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on June 15, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
Frank Zane makes me continue to trim up/not play the size game

thank you frank
X2
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on July 25, 2019, 07:28:06 AM
Zane was on the covers of M&F well past his reign as Mr.O .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Powerlift66 on July 25, 2019, 07:50:22 AM
Haneys the best MR. O (IMO). GOAT.

Frank is one the best also. Both better than gap-tooth...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on July 25, 2019, 10:31:17 AM
Flee Zaney
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: French on July 25, 2019, 11:26:16 AM
perfection   8)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on July 25, 2019, 08:08:28 PM
perfection   8)

who needs a mass monster when you have that  ;D -
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: SOMEPARTS on July 25, 2019, 09:27:47 PM
Even though active close to the same time, influenced by two different eras and two different approaches to mass. Hard to compare.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on July 26, 2019, 03:37:55 AM
This is by far the most respected pair of Olympian winners in history .  I doubt anyone can disagree. 

There should be a book about Lee and Zane , they deserve it. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on July 26, 2019, 05:36:22 AM
Zane was on the covers of M&F well past his reign as Mr.O .




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
GREAT LOOK
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on July 27, 2019, 04:55:14 PM
This is by far the most respected pair of Olympian winners in history .  I doubt anyone can disagree. 

There should be a book about Lee and Zane , they deserve it. 

Zane, yes.  Haney, not so much.  He had more than a few gift Olympias and in my not so humble estimation, was not worthy of more than (I shall be generous) three wins.  Weider gave him 8 in a pussy attempt to humble Arnold.  Fuck Weider and his noise.


Zane is the personification of aesthetics on drugs(Steve Reeves wins the natural title for that).  Haney in his own words "never took no stayroids and only goot fuud and Weider supplemnts".  Lying fake christian.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 29, 2020, 07:09:40 AM
2 Mr.O winners  !



WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh   
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 29, 2020, 07:44:59 AM
WooOSHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on January 29, 2020, 09:53:26 AM
Lee Haney is the most underrated bodybuilder. 

Bob Paris 1984 would have beaten any version of Zane. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on January 29, 2020, 08:08:43 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: AbrahamG on January 29, 2020, 08:13:53 PM
Lee Haney is the most underrated bodybuilder. 

Bob Paris 1984 would have beaten any version of Zane. 

Agreed on both counts.  Benfatto was better than Zane as well.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: tres_taco_combo on January 29, 2020, 08:18:20 PM
:)


crazy conditioned
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: harmankardon1 on January 29, 2020, 09:27:55 PM
:)

Look at the quality and hardness on display from Haney and zane ^.... This is what bodybuilding should be about,

 I'm all for guys being bigger than this but they must be tight with density and hardness detail over fullness and "size",...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Taffin on January 30, 2020, 10:23:55 AM
2 Mr.O winners  !
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=785106;image)

WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh   


I've probably said this a few times on here, but all things considered Samir is probably my favourite Mr O.  Handsome b4stard (no h0mo) World class mustache and great guy as well - totally approachable and shot the sh1t with me for far too long when I met him on the GP tour back in the '90s.  Got a pic too, and he didn't charge me $20  ;D

(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/samir-bannout-2019-guru-new-696x341.jpg)

"Samir Bannout’s campaign against gurus and modern day bodybuilding.

1983 Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout has always been outspoken in the sport of bodybuilding.  In recent months, Samir’s views about using ‘gurus’ and methods to get bigger faster has been increasing dramatically.  The subject of bodybuilding ‘gurus’ is what Samir talks about the most on his official Facebook and Instagram pages.

Bannout has been telling his followers to stay away from the ‘guru’. Samir is totally against their methods and believes they are putting athletes in danger and making them live a miserable and unhealthy life.

Regarding modern day bodybuilding methods, Samir is also insisting that the use of insulin and growth hormone is killing the sport of bodybuilding. Samir actually compared the modern day bodybuilder to gorillas in his posts"


https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on January 30, 2020, 10:30:47 AM

I've probably said this a few times on here, but all things considered Samir is probably my favourite Mr O.  Handsome b4stard (no h0mo) World class mustache and great guy as well - totally approachable and shot the sh1t with me for far too long when I met him on the GP tour back in the '90s.  Got a pic too, and he didn't charge me $20  ;D

(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/samir-bannout-2019-guru-new-696x341.jpg)

"Samir Bannout’s campaign against gurus and modern day bodybuilding.

1983 Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout has always been outspoken in the sport of bodybuilding.  In recent months, Samir’s views about using ‘gurus’ and methods to get bigger faster has been increasing dramatically.  The subject of bodybuilding ‘gurus’ is what Samir talks about the most on his official Facebook and Instagram pages.

Bannout has been telling his followers to stay away from the ‘guru’. Samir is totally against their methods and believes they are putting athletes in danger and making them live a miserable and unhealthy life.

Regarding modern day bodybuilding methods, Samir is also insisting that the use of insulin and growth hormone is killing the sport of bodybuilding. Samir actually compared the modern day bodybuilder to gorillas in his posts"


https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/)


Samir certainly up there with the Best of Olympia wining Physiques
As Good as Frank was Samir at his Best was Better & It a Tough Call between
Him & Lee at their Peak.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Primemuscle on January 30, 2020, 12:09:47 PM
I remember watching the 1984 televised Mr. Olympia when Haney took 1st. He looked unreal to me.

(https://i.redd.it/5a5dnwg1e4x11.jpg)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on January 30, 2020, 07:12:45 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: che on January 30, 2020, 07:35:24 PM
:)
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=785231;image)


I'm not a fan of Zane's physique  , but he looks great there .
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on January 30, 2020, 08:50:56 PM
Zane is superb.  Haney is not. If others here feel differently that's fine.  I can't stand Lee Vainey.  He is fugly.

He should have no more than four Sandows.  But hey...It's a subjective pastime, bodybuilding.  Labrada was better on at least two occasions but again, this is my subjective reasoning.

And once more, with feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling.  I don't care at all for Haney or his physique.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 06, 2024, 02:37:38 PM
W ;D ;D ;D ;D ;DSHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: pamith on February 06, 2024, 11:08:09 PM
Lee Haney was a monster, Zane is aesthetic but Haney is one of the the first mass monsters
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 07, 2024, 12:44:42 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: ARNIE1947 on February 07, 2024, 12:47:08 AM
 8)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 07, 2024, 01:01:22 AM
8)
Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 07, 2024, 07:06:49 AM
(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=1490242;image)
 8)


Zane looks perfect there.


WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: wes on February 07, 2024, 10:50:17 AM

Zane looks perfect there.


WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
X 2
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Dalnet on February 07, 2024, 12:06:17 PM
Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.

True. Many go under the radar from that era. Same as a couple of amateurs that look better than pros today. The competition was so much tougher.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on February 07, 2024, 01:29:40 PM
:)

Zane was 42 here. Loved his posing routine to One of These Days.

Paris though a much more aesthetically pleasing build, not to mention taller and probably wider, never nailed his condition the way Zane could.

And Benfatto.... I get he has a certain quality to his physique but I thought it was weird. He had clean lines but an oddly compact torso with long legs.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Walter Sobchak on February 07, 2024, 01:39:30 PM
Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.

He was trained by Vince the Gonad for a while and the Weiders did not approve.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: pamith on February 07, 2024, 11:45:47 PM
Zane was 42 here. Loved his posing routine to One of These Days.

Paris though a much more aesthetically pleasing build, not to mention taller and probably wider, never nailed his condition the way Zane could.

And Benfatto.... I get he has a certain quality to his physique but I thought it was weird. He had clean lines but an oddly compact torso with long legs.
Brutal if true
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 09, 2024, 12:39:39 AM
He was trained by Vince the Gonad for a while and the Weiders did not approve.
Didn't Joe send Arnold to train with Vince when he first came to America?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: IroNat on February 09, 2024, 04:13:56 AM
Didn't Joe send Arnold to train with Vince when he first came to America?

So it is written.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: bigbychoices on February 09, 2024, 05:13:57 AM
                                    Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever!  I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
                                           BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
                                Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD.  BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished.  Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
                             Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests  wrote books and he himself became "mainstream"  . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on February 09, 2024, 06:55:57 AM
Haney 8
Zane   3

🤔 Hmmmmmm .............
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on February 09, 2024, 07:39:40 AM
                                 
                                Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD.  BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished.  Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
                             Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests  wrote books and he himself became "mainstream"  . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.

Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.

2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.

I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention.  But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 09, 2024, 07:42:29 AM
Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.

2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.

I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention.  But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.

This .


WoooSHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: illuminati on February 09, 2024, 07:42:31 AM
Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.

2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.

I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention.  But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.


I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention.  But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.


Jealousy - Simple as.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 10, 2024, 12:30:40 AM
                                    Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever!  I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
                                           BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
                                Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD.  BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished.  Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
                             Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests  wrote books and he himself became "mainstream"  . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
Racist? How so?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 10, 2024, 12:46:12 AM
                                    Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever!  I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
                                           BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
                                Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD.  BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished.  Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
                             Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests  wrote books and he himself became "mainstream"  . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.

thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney

I hope you have something to back that up
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 10, 2024, 01:24:58 AM
thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney

I hope you have something to back that up
Rich Gaspari account? ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 10, 2024, 06:06:40 AM
Rich Gaspari account? ;D

Must be... ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: bigbychoices on February 10, 2024, 06:11:31 AM
                          No I do not have anything to back it up. This is from personal conversations I had with him during the mid to late 80's.  Mostly around contest time(s). I know the stress and the drugs etc can make a person say and do and behave in ways that are not always their norm.  So I just attributed it to that.
                            Also when I said Zane "vanished" when next to bigger guys that was probably a bad choice of words. I should have said something like " his weakness showed more"  or something. Like I said by himself the man was a statue. No weak parts and everything flowed. But next to bigger guys he looked different. But all that mattered is who the judges votes for. That was back when the judges were fair and voted the right way. NOT like now days. They only care about big bloated mass. Why are they always looking like they are contstipated and trying to take a shit when posing? And they way they stand all flared out to the extreme. And why all the mouth opens or tongue hanging out and acting like they are in pain or struggling. Posing is supposed to look easy. Smile . relaxed confidence etc.  Not now just a bunch of bloated bags of shit with 45 in waists at 250 lbs at 5 ft 7. I think "classic" bodybuilding shows more resemble true bodybuilding as it was meant to be but eventually the mass for the sake of mass will take over that too!
                         Just like female bodybuilding. At the beginning the ladies looked no better than a track athlete or gymnast.  Lady like and feminine and decent looking. Bev Francis was voted down the list because she was just to much but compared to women now days she fits right in ( only they are more massive).
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 10, 2024, 06:33:28 AM
                          No I do not have anything to back it up. This is from personal conversations I had with him during the mid to late 80's.  Mostly around contest time(s). I know the stress and the drugs etc can make a person say and do and behave in ways that are not always their norm.  So I just attributed it to that.
                           
so what did he say that was racist?

I sense this is going to end with you providing zero evidence and getting all arsey.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on February 10, 2024, 08:14:51 AM
I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding.  I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him  took would destroy them.

Even Coleman has said as much.  No one could come close to Arnold.  I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone.  In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold.  But overall it is without a doubt Arnold.   When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes.  Reg Park too. 

For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much.  Drugs make up for shit genes, how  else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders?   I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is  my preference.  Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney.    The  build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: beakdoctor on February 10, 2024, 10:53:34 AM
so what did he say that was racist?

I sense this is going to end with you providing zero evidence and getting all arsey.

Unless Big offers some proof to the matter asserted, I think we should all just walk away from that comment and act like it never happened.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: DanielPaul on February 10, 2024, 11:08:27 AM
This is kind of an odd thing to bring up, but if any of you ever heard the story of how Frank Zane ripped his urethra three weeks before the Mr. Olympia. As somebody trained an emergency medicine, you always imagine the mechanism of injury when someone gets hurt and I just wonder how the fuck that happens. Also, could that possibly be the reason Zane never had any children. Could the dude have de-cocked himself in a freak accident?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 11, 2024, 12:22:08 AM
This is kind of an odd thing to bring up, but if any of you ever heard the story of how Frank Zane ripped his urethra three weeks before the Mr. Olympia. As somebody trained an emergency medicine, you always imagine the mechanism of injury when someone gets hurt and I just wonder how the fuck that happens. Also, could that possibly be the reason Zane never had any children. Could the dude have de-cocked himself in a freak accident?
Yes, he talked about it before in magazine articles. Clamped it between the metal poles when a lawn chair he was sitting on clamped shut when he was tanning outside. Brutal injury.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: bigbychoices on February 11, 2024, 05:20:17 AM
                I have no proof. It was in conversations. So even if I said anything I have no way to back up my claims. I am not about to argue over anything that I can not prove.  So just let it go. Like I said I kind of attributed it to the contest dieting drugs etc.  When Frank cut his urethra he was already old enough to have had kids.  So that had nothing to do with it. Rumor around golds ( even though Frank didn't train there much) was just that Christine couldn't have kids. I am 59 no kids. ( same woman for 20 years and she is 14 years younger than me)  My brother passed at 59 ( my age now he passed 6 years ago) Him and his wife didn't want kids. Some people just don't want them. But again that was just a rumor. Maybe they didn't want them either. OR maybe his prolonged use of steroids screwed him up. Remember back in the day people didn't know much about pct or things. They went off as long as they were on. LOL  not exactly scientific .
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: bhank on February 11, 2024, 05:25:11 AM
I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding.  I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him  took would destroy them.

Even Coleman has said as much.  No one could come close to Arnold.  I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone.  In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold.  But overall it is without a doubt Arnold.   When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes.  Reg Park too. 

For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much.  Drugs make up for shit genes, how  else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders?   I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is  my preference.  Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney.    The  build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D

According to Sergio Olivia Steve Reeves used steroids just like everyone else at that time
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 11, 2024, 05:34:13 AM
                I have no proof. It was in conversations. So even if I said anything I have no way to back up my claims. I am not about to argue over anything that I can not prove.  So just let it go. Like I said I kind of attributed it to the contest dieting drugs etc.  When Frank cut his urethra he was already old enough to have had kids.  So that had nothing to do with it. Rumor around golds ( even though Frank didn't train there much) was just that Christine couldn't have kids. I am 59 no kids. ( same woman for 20 years and she is 14 years younger than me)  My brother passed at 59 ( my age now he passed 6 years ago) Him and his wife didn't want kids. Some people just don't want them. But again that was just a rumor. Maybe they didn't want them either. OR maybe his prolonged use of steroids screwed him up. Remember back in the day people didn't know much about pct or things. They went off as long as they were on. LOL  not exactly scientific .
No, retract your unfounded allegations immediatly
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2024, 06:40:25 AM
According to Sergio Olivia Steve Reeves used steroids just like everyone else at that time


The “Steve Reeves took steroids” claim is typically traced back to ‘Arnold: An Unauthorised Biography’ where the author Wendy Leigh says that Arnold was told about steroids by Kurt Marnul who said he’d learned about them from Steve Reeves, who he claims to have met on vacation in France in 1952.

This was refuted by Reeves who claims he did no visit France in the 1950s and had never heard of nor met Marnul.



" steroids " weren't even invented until years AFTER Reeves retired. There is an established timeline of testosterone and anabolics use in the US and Reeves predates it
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2024, 06:49:30 AM
Yes, he talked about it before in magazine articles. Clamped it between the metal poles when a lawn chair he was sitting on clamped shut when he was tanning outside. Brutal injury.


More has been said and written about this questionable competition than any other Mr. Olympia contest, and if you add these comments to the 1981 Olympia competition you get the most controversial two years in competitive bodybuilding ever. In my mind Arnold didn’t deserve to win in 1980 nor did
Colombu deserve to win in 1981.

Did I deserve to win? I was in great shape, but I could have been better. With my mind set on winning four Mr. Olympia titles, I stood in my living room at our Palm Springs house looking out at the pool. It was early August, and I was right on schedule with my Olympia preparation. 208 pounds rock hard and angry about my life of deprivation and sacrifice.

“Oh hell, another 8 weeks of torture to look forward to” I said to myself as I kneeled to sit in the lawn chair near the edge of the pool. As I did the chair slid into the pool with me in it. I felt a hard bump in the groin and sunk to the bottom, dazed. Crawling out there was blood gushing from my penis. The bulbous urethra was smashed. Christine rushed me to the hospital, “keep saying your mantra” she advised.

Four hours later the doctor showed up, he’d been golfing. The nurses had been taking turns squeezing my penis to control the bleeding, but it wasn’t working too well. Finally, the doctor taped me in such a way that pressure was put on the urethra area. The bleeding stopped, a catheter was inserted, and I
went into shock.

Passing out, I thought I was dying. There was a lot of light, and I felt free of all cares and worries. “I could check out right now” I thought and then woke up in a hospital bed. I was there for at least a day (don’t quite remember) and didn’t know what to think or do. So, I called Arnold. He’d given me contest advice for the last several years and I really need it now.

“The word is at Gold’s Gym that you took so many steroids your dick exploded!” Arnold laughed. I expected derisive remarks from the Gold’s animal pit contingency and explained my situation. “What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.


https://frankzane.com/1980-mr-olympia/
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2024, 06:53:58 AM
thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney

I hope you have something to back that up

He's full of shit. just like the made up stories from BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT. The only hint of a controversy with Haney was when aids because a thing in the 1980s Haney said something to the effect of he wouldn't want to share a locker room with someone who had it and this was in the magazines
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 11, 2024, 07:04:40 AM
He's full of shit. just like the made up stories from BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT. The only hint of a controversy with Haney was when aids because a thing in the 1980s Haney said something to the effect of he wouldn't want to share a locker room with someone who had it and this was in the magazines
Sounds like common sense bearing in mind people were still unaware of how it was transmitted fully by then
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 11, 2024, 07:05:28 AM
Sounds like common sense bearing in mind people were still unaware of how it was transmitted fully by then

Exactly
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 12, 2024, 12:36:57 AM

More has been said and written about this questionable competition than any other Mr. Olympia contest, and if you add these comments to the 1981 Olympia competition you get the most controversial two years in competitive bodybuilding ever. In my mind Arnold didn’t deserve to win in 1980 nor did
Colombu deserve to win in 1981.

Did I deserve to win? I was in great shape, but I could have been better. With my mind set on winning four Mr. Olympia titles, I stood in my living room at our Palm Springs house looking out at the pool. It was early August, and I was right on schedule with my Olympia preparation. 208 pounds rock hard and angry about my life of deprivation and sacrifice.

“Oh hell, another 8 weeks of torture to look forward to” I said to myself as I kneeled to sit in the lawn chair near the edge of the pool. As I did the chair slid into the pool with me in it. I felt a hard bump in the groin and sunk to the bottom, dazed. Crawling out there was blood gushing from my penis. The bulbous urethra was smashed. Christine rushed me to the hospital, “keep saying your mantra” she advised.

Four hours later the doctor showed up, he’d been golfing. The nurses had been taking turns squeezing my penis to control the bleeding, but it wasn’t working too well. Finally, the doctor taped me in such a way that pressure was put on the urethra area. The bleeding stopped, a catheter was inserted, and I
went into shock.

Passing out, I thought I was dying. There was a lot of light, and I felt free of all cares and worries. “I could check out right now” I thought and then woke up in a hospital bed. I was there for at least a day (don’t quite remember) and didn’t know what to think or do. So, I called Arnold. He’d given me contest advice for the last several years and I really need it now.

“The word is at Gold’s Gym that you took so many steroids your dick exploded!” Arnold laughed. I expected derisive remarks from the Gold’s animal pit contingency and explained my situation. “What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.


https://frankzane.com/1980-mr-olympia/
Good God! He had real balls to compete after that. No pun.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 12, 2024, 01:46:52 PM
I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding. I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him  took would destroy them.

Even Coleman has said as much.  No one could come close to Arnold.  I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone.  In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold.  But overall it is without a doubt Arnold.   When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes.  Reg Park too. 

For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much.  Drugs make up for shit genes, how  else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders?   I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is  my preference.  Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney.    The  build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D


That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.


WooSSHHHHHHHHHHHH




WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: IroNat on February 12, 2024, 03:07:40 PM
Zane asking Arnold for advices?

“What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.

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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: The Scott on February 12, 2024, 03:59:50 PM

That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.


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It is what I think is true.  Haney is no Coleman or Yates let alone Arnold.  This is a subjective pageant, nothing more. 
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 13, 2024, 12:10:39 AM

That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.


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Purely money driven. Arnold on the cover sold millions which is why every magazine in the business had him on there.



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 13, 2024, 12:12:50 AM
Same reason Bruce Lee was on the cover of every copy of Kung Fu Monthly long after he died

Bruce sold
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: IroNat on February 13, 2024, 10:19:50 AM
Young Zane.

(https://broscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Frank-Zane-Before-and-After.png)
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 13, 2024, 01:39:26 PM
Exactly

Don't tell this to Palumbo ....he even developed ' Palumboism"  with all the drugs he took



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 14, 2024, 06:14:04 AM



Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....

Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder .



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on February 14, 2024, 07:38:52 AM

Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....

Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder .



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YEAH...also ray was 'less' black ,goodlooking'no homo'
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: joswift on February 14, 2024, 07:42:27 AM

Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....

Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder but wasnt a homo and refused to suck Joes dick



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on February 14, 2024, 07:53:25 AM
fixed

Lol ... I see a patern  there, both Sergio Oliva and Serge Nubret were practically canceled kicked out of Weiders umbrella for similar reasons



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 15, 2024, 12:27:02 AM
YEAH...also ray was 'less' black ,goodlooking'no homo'
He was a good looking man. No homo. I think he marketed himself better.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on February 21, 2024, 06:28:27 AM
From Wendy leigh's book
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on February 22, 2024, 12:06:33 AM
From Wendy leigh's book
Taking steroids at that young age probably increases hyperplasia which will benefit that bodybuilder the rest of his life. Look at guys like Arnold, Lee Priest, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, etc. Would those guys have ever been that developed had they waited until twenty something to start using?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2024, 07:07:44 AM
Zane looks natural by today's standards...

Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)


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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2024, 07:10:55 AM
5'9" 185 lbs

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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on May 08, 2024, 07:26:58 AM
Zane looks natural by today's standards...

Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)


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great build...some of those pics are less 'conditioned'than his stage photos mro..or some slighlty downsized condition wise,his stage pics are still not attainable'natural/clean'i get what your saying his height/weight ratio attainable size but again condition no..
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 08, 2024, 07:37:27 AM
great build...some of those pics are less 'conditioned'than his stage photos mro..or some slighlty downsized condition wise,his stage pics are still not attainable'natural/clean'i get what your saying his height/weight ratio attainable size but again condition no..

Yup....

On stage condition he was flawless ...  and not attainable naturally by any measure ....  but still the poster boy for ideal physique .



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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: IroNat on May 08, 2024, 07:40:21 AM
Zane looks natural by today's standards...

Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)


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No.  Only an unnatural natural could look like Zane.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on May 08, 2024, 08:07:08 AM
Yup....

On stage condition he was flawless ...  and not attainable naturally by any measure ....  but still the poster boy for ideal physique .



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I don´t think he ever said he was a natty?
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on May 08, 2024, 11:42:47 AM
No.  Only an unnatural natural could look like Zane.

Just 100mg of Primo per week and 15g of DBol per day starring 8 Weeks out.  According to a cryptic poem he wrote.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: BigRo on May 08, 2024, 12:22:18 PM
Obviously he took more than that.

Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on May 08, 2024, 03:19:31 PM
Obviously he took more than that.

I couldn't began to guess what he took. By 17 he was 160 at around 10% bf. 8 years later and 25lbs of stage weight and maturity minus water so around 5 lbs. So and 185 at 4%. Which means he'd be around 202 at  10%bf. He's was 5'9 with an ectomorph build.

That said, he obviously didn't take much. Based on everything I know about him, he is very methodical and conservative. 

Since he did mention Dbol and primo. My best guess would be he never exceeded 25 mg of DBol per day 200 mg of primo. That's at most. I think he wasn't lying in that poem. Again, total guess.

These guys weren't drug monkeys like modern guys
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Wiggs on May 08, 2024, 03:21:06 PM
From Wendy leigh's book

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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on May 09, 2024, 08:00:29 AM
I couldn't began to guess what he took. By 17 he was 160 at around 10% bf. 8 years later and 25lbs of stage weight and maturity minus water so around 5 lbs. So and 185 at 4%. Which means he'd be around 202 at  10%bf. He's was 5'9 with an ectomorph build.

That said, he obviously didn't take much. Based on everything I know about him, he is very methodical and conservative. 

Since he did mention Dbol and primo. My best guess would be he never exceeded 25 mg of DBol per day 200 mg of primo. That's at most. I think he wasn't lying in that poem. Again, total guess.

These guys weren't drug monkeys like modern guys
YES ONLY SPECULATION,,,but he dieted like a spartan ate nothing so if he used 'thyroid meds'speculation and said before he did,at least anabolics mentioned here and elsewhere ,its amazing what he weighed considering his diet'extreme'he held on to decent muscle for the,again no drugs he would be a scarecrow...
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 09, 2024, 09:45:42 AM
Dorian deserved to win on haircut alone.
based on being white alone too
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: hipolito mejia on May 09, 2024, 04:40:42 PM
Lee Haney
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 10, 2024, 12:33:43 AM
Lee Haney
8 Olympia to three plus a much tougher lineup to beat.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Pet shop boys on May 10, 2024, 07:18:18 AM
The only Olympian I have met and talk to in person
by far the nicest and most humble pro bodybuilder as well





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Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 11, 2024, 12:35:17 AM
Rarely a negative thing said of him. Had a great career, walked away healthy with a great family and money.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Amerian Muscle on May 11, 2024, 01:41:21 AM
Rarely a negative thing said of him. Had a great career, walked away healthy with a great family and money.
He seems balanced
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on May 11, 2024, 03:26:14 AM
8 Olympia to three plus a much tougher lineup to beat.
Yes he was a deserving Champion & i think his old ex training partner should´ve won a Mr O too. Rich Gaspari who was ripped to the bone.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on May 11, 2024, 08:41:48 AM
Yes he was a deserving Champion & i think his old ex training partner should´ve won a Mr O too. Rich Gaspari who was ripped to the bone.
Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on May 11, 2024, 08:50:38 AM
Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
can you be more specific.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: njflex on May 11, 2024, 01:47:35 PM
can you be more specific.
He had narrow shoulders and thick waist, but he had a good chest awesome legs decent back, but didn’t have a taper  anywhere close to my  Mike Christian Or haneyor Labrada.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Humble Narcissist on May 12, 2024, 12:18:34 AM
Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
Yep, his structure was his only weakness.
Title: Re: Frank Zane or Lee Haney ?
Post by: Donny on May 12, 2024, 03:38:35 AM
He had narrow shoulders and thick waist, but he had a good chest awesome legs decent back, but didn’t have a taper  anywhere close to my  Mike Christian Or haneyor Labrada.
Right ..Gotcha