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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Pet shop boys on June 08, 2015, 07:27:41 AM
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What I've seen so far is that the most popular bodybuilders are ..
1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Ronnie Coleman
3 Dorian Yates
4 Frank Zane
And probably people has more respect/admiration for Frank's built than the rest .
I don't hear or see as many pics of Haney..... Am I wrong ?
If so, are you more of a fan of Lee Haney's build than Zane ?
Should Lee Haney be top 4 and not Zane?
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Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.
We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.
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Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.
We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.
Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.
I guess people consider that boring.
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I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90
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Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.
I guess people consider that boring.
how long of a break?
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how long of a break?
You think he knows exactly how long Lee's off period's were?
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haney is kinda weird for me, im a fan of him as far as his training etc but as far as physique goes... no
kinda like chris cormier, he placed pretty high a number of years but never was a fan of his physique either.
i prefer someone like serge nubret
(http://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/serge-nubret.jpg)
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Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)
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zane is overrated
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Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)
WHEN people say it was close,that pic show's you how apart they were lee was still fuller/better shape,yates at that time when he posed he popped with all kinds freaky muscularity,haney relaxed was still huge.yates after that took it to the next level.
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Was the 1st time haney was pushed close, and that was dorians 2nd pro show...
Haney is a different level to Zane, photos of Zane would have never inspired me to start bodybuilding
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Was the 1st time haney was pushed close, and that was dorians 2nd pro show...
Haney is a different level to Zane, photos of Zane would have never inspired me to start bodybuilding
dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..
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Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)
Dorian deserved to win on haircut alone.
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:o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.
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dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..
I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
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I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
Yes that's a good assessment.
Not haney's best year.
Otherwise Lee had a fantastic physique,
One of the best ever.
Comes across as a humble, decent man.
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I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
true...I watched a clip from that show the other day,,the top 6 considering a drug test lol,,,they still looked like pro's,even 10/15 pct off size ans or condition they looked pretty hard'no homo'lean'they lost that fullness/sharpness .deep etching standing relaxed ,the fuller traps,it was still a joke the testing.it was a one off to appease the drug act soon to be in effect 1991 controlled substance and weider to say see look we are 'clean'
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dorians 3rd he lost 90 n.o.c to benaziza,won it 91 then mro...haney could have been beaten by labrada/Christian in 90 drugtested Christian got robbed 5th place he looked great,gaspari pushed haney 87 pretty good as well..
I need to brush up on my history to become a true connoisseur of this sport...
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1. Sergio Oliva
2. Flex Wheeler
3. Lee Preist
4.Dorian Yates
5. Dennis Wolf - Although IMO this spot could be filled by a helluva lotta others.
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I don't give two squirts of piss what anyone says, Zane looked awesome, what a pic!
:o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.
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could see it in there neck and traps,and haney fdb was off ,his lats were not as full/thick in that shot,posed then look ok,relaxed is where they lost that polished full look..
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:o That drug testing hit Lee Haney hard.
I forgot just how much.
Still all had great physiques.
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Could you imagine if they drug tested today? 100% of them would look like absolute shit. Worse than 1990 by far.
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Could you imagine if they drug tested today? 100% of them would look like absolute shit. Worse than 1990 by far.
Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.
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Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.
I take that back, Kai would still have muscle. I forgot about his natural days. He'd still look like shit though. He'd go from 260 to a soft 220 in a year.
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I take that back, Kai would still have muscle. I forgot about his natural days. He'd still look like shit though. He'd go from 260 to a soft 220 in a year.
I tend to think Kai would look reasonable.
I'd like to see Phil Heath & Ramy without gear.
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
Jeez.... :o
A very different looking Kia.
From what year was that photo.
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not sure but it said he was 18 on the link where i got it so that mustve been 20-25 years ago
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You can't go from a high weight to a much lower weight and expect to look the same. It doesn't work that way. The way the skin is on the muscle would look different. His waist grew and wouldn't look the same 40 lbs lighter. He'd have muscle but he wouldn't look like that.
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not sure but it said he was 18 on the link where i got it so that mustve been 20-25 years ago
Understandable, we all change with that much age.
We don't see the Likes of Tony Pearson & his insane vacuum
On stage nowadays.
Though he probably weighed around the 190/200lb mark.
Not the extra 30/40lb of extra guts like today.
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I don't know if is "attainable" like people likes to call it but the ideal it is
(I'm not his biggest fan) but I've seen the tons of people he has inspired to train and try to avoid being "permabulkers"
WoooSSHHHHHHH
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:o That drug testing hit Lee Haney hard.
I forgot just how much.
Still all had great physiques.
Flex Mag reported that Lee Haney had the cleanest Urine out of all the tests and the tests also showed he had been clean for the longest time.
Apparantly those tests could tell when someone had taken their last shot of gear and exactly what it was.
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Vic B,
What do you think of that pic of Frank Zane
THE PR
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I wonder what Phil Heath has to say about Frank's physique given that Frank was known as mr. Aesthetic and more popular than he ever will .
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I wonder what Phil Heath has to say about Frank's physique given that Frank was known as mr. Aesthetic and more popular than he ever will be.
He probably hates him, as his Shoulders are too Wide.
And He hasn't got a Bloated Pregnant looking waist.
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Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.
I guess people consider that boring.
Bingo!
His rival was Gaspari who never had the genetic talent to deal with a gifted legend like Haney.
Lee won 8 straight with minimal controversy and his personal life is solid and stable.
Plus, Lee was a gentleman and class act.
Had he gotten busy with some ripe citrus , sold his used trunks, or plowed a tranny, he might generate more threads. Hmmm, if nothing else, perhaps some gym selfies with duck faces might have generated hype?
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I really do not recall which author said it...."Frank Zane looked like a POW, Lee Haney looked like a refridgerator with veins"........
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:o :o :o :o nice everyday walking around physique ez to maintain.
There are plenty of 5'9" lean guys working out in gyms, around 185-195 lbs.
NONE look anything like Zane.
Zane had this unique classic line to his physique and damn near perfect muscle shape.
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Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .
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Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .
They both appeal to gay men.
The whole genre of Hercules / Gladiator films of the 50's and 60's were gay porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it was so blatant they spoofed it in Airplane. This is why Reeves is so popular.
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Haney is basically as good as it gets, IMO. After him, guys got bigger but not really any better.
You could say he brought the bodybuilding to its end.
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Zane and Reeves most overrated bodybuilders ever, they looked great but far from perfect .
Absolutely.
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
Kai was natty for the longest time. Truly great genetics.
When he was genuine natty most thought he was on gear. I believe he was a genetic freak.
He might be one of my favorite bodybuilders if not for his personality. And the hair. I absolutely hate the hair.
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Kai was natty for the longest time. Truly great genetics.
When he was genuine natty most thought he was on gear. I believe he was a genetic freak.
He might be one of my favorite bodybuilders if not for his personality. And the hair. I absolutely hate the hair.
Did he have intercourse with fruit when he was natty ? Only with organic fruit I hope..... :-X
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(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/f/9/f9038_ORIG-KaiGreene.jpg)
did he not have a penis back then?
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Flex Mag reported that Lee Haney had the cleanest Urine out of all the tests and the tests also showed he had been clean for the longest time.
Apparantly those tests could tell when someone had taken their last shot of gear and exactly what it was.
what a fuckin' load of bullshit, and you actually believe that??? Pouahahaha, oh man... So he just cheated less then, is that it?
And Flex mag ALWAYS tells it as it is huh???
And Kai with his fuckin' trunks pulled up like some queer. Just ban the guy already, dude is the WORST thing for the image that is pretty much beyond repair now anyways, so whatever I guess....
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1. Sergio Oliva
2. Flex Wheeler
3. Lee Preist
4.Dorian Yates
5. Dennis Wolf - Although IMO this spot could be filled by a helluva lotta others.
If that is your top 5 list of all time BB - you really have no business ever posting again. You must have a really incredible physique ::)
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Good Observation . Haney, for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.
We need a getbigger to do some investigating to find out the reason why.
This.
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I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90
He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.
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frank is overrated
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(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)
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(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)
Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.
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(http://johnhansenfitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/lhindex.jpg)
'THE SHADOW'LITERALLY GETTING SHADOWED..
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Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.
"Finally learned how to peak," he said from the podium. I'd put his '91 physique up there with the best - prefer the less-freaky classics, though.
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"Finally learned how to peak," he said from the podium. I'd put his '91 physique up there with the best - prefer the less-freaky classics, though.
EVEN HIS ARMS CONSIDERED A WEAK POINT,RELAXED THERE LOOKED BIGGER THAN USUAL...CRAZY HOW HE LOOKED FOR THAT SHOW..
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He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.
I still think overall Haney was better than Labrada in 1989
In the eyes or many Labrada should have beaten Flex Whealer in AC 93'classic ...but the 0% BodyFat BS and the internet clouded the fans minds to this date
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He didn't dominate in 89. Labrada in the eyes of many should have won in 89.
Not seen that routine for a while, that my friends is what bodybuilding presentation should look like.
How far the sport has fallen
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EVEN HIS ARMS CONSIDERED A WEAK POINT,RELAXED THERE LOOKED BIGGER THAN USUAL...CRAZY HOW HE LOOKED FOR THAT SHOW..
His shoulders/traps and chest were just so overpowering, best he'd ever looked. And his shit always flowed, too. Perfect that year.
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Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters. ;D
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Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters. ;D
i agree 100 pct,,, wasn't zane's best look here tho..his legs late60's early 70's were big compared to later yrs ,i guess he brought them down and conditioned to get illussion of classic bbing he wanted..
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Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters. ;D
Huge Zane fan. But like Reeves, Arnold, Haney, etc., I've always preferred athletic, statue-type "swimmers" to the awkwardly-dense freaks.
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Huge Zane fan. But like Reeves, Arnold, Haney, etc., I've always preferred athletic, statue-type "swimmers" to the awkwardly-dense freaks.
Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fans go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.
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Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fan go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.
WooSSHHHHHHHHH
Yeah, when I was young, I just wanted to get as big as possible. I wanted to look like a strongman competitor so didn't even care what my bf was like. As you get older, you realize that being lean and athletic looks far better.
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Haney destroys Yates in 1991. Just objectively look at that comparison.
Yates is turned.
Dorian won the muscularity round against Haney when Haney was in his best shape ever. He didn't get destroyed, he almost beat him.
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Could you imagine if they drug tested today? 100% of them would look like absolute shit. Worse than 1990 by far.
wiggs they wouldlook so bad, the fans would be throwing protein containers and syringes at them on stage.
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Most people do ... I think bodybuilders fan go thru a phase during teenage years they all want to look like "the mass monsters of moment" or prefer that look .....but as you outgrow your clothes..... you learn later.
WooSSHHHHHHHHH
Hopefully a second coming of the zane style physique. Much better then the norm bbing physique these days.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=628393;image)
This is the guy that shot up that church, right?!
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Hopefully a second coming of the zane style physique. Much better then the norm bbing physique these days.
That Sadik fellow looks awesome, great classic physique.
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Zane. Without question. Without doubt. Without hesitation. Zane.
Haney is above Yates, but not the Oak, Reeves, Nubret or...Zane.
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Zane. Without question. Without doubt. Without hesitation. Zane.
Haney is above Yates, but not the Oak, Reeves, Nubret or...Zane.
Frank Zane 100%
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I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing. Haney is better than him in every aspect.
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I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing. Haney is better than him in every aspect.
why bigger vs Symmetry ?
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why bigger vs Symmetry ?
Haney is the epitome of symmetry AND he's bigger.
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I remember the Haney Mr. O era, EVERYONE used to criticize his arms as being overshadowed by the rest of his physique...
In my opinion, he should have lost a few for sure, I know Labrada had him in one contest, possibly Shawn Ray in another!!!
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I like Zane but he has nothing on Haney, nothing. Haney is better than him in every aspect.
And that's fine. Nothing at all wrong with that.
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5'9 180 vs. 5'11 245...Are you kidding me? Zane would wiped off the stage. And that 5'11 245 comes with a 32 inch waist, a vacuum and flaring lats.
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I remember the Haney Mr. O era, EVERYONE used to criticize his arms as being overshadowed by the rest of his physique...
In my opinion, he should have lost a few for sure, I know Labrada had him in one contest, possibly Shawn Ray in another!!!
he was 23 years old in 1984
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Haney is the epitome of symmetry AND he's bigger.
So Bigger is your answer. I like Haney but he never had the Olympian look which Zane admired..and got. I also do not think Haney had the Deeper understanding of Zen which Zane had. Why is that important? for some not so but i admire Zane´s Intelligence.
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Zane was in my eyes the only Mr Olympia to understand and be as close to a Greek Statue of a God..
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So Bigger is your answer. I like Haney but he never had the Olympian look which Zane admired..and got. I also do not think Haney had the Deeper understanding of Zen which Zane had. Why is that important? for some not so but i admire Zane´s Intelligence.
No, bigger is not my answer. Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.
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No, bigger is not my answer. Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.
He did pull off a great Vacuum and was one of the last greats in my opinion. I have to mention Bill Grant Here... Great Guy and was a Great Bodybuilder :)
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ZANE...
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Awesome LEE
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Frank .
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Awesome LEE
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Gorgeous tits.
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;D
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;D
Would have loved to be that sword on the wall.
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Hard to believe Lee Haney won more Mr.O's and in more recent years than Arnold...yet Arnold's exposure in bodybuilding mags makes Lee look like he never won anything .....
I still think Zane "probably" has more fans than Lee too and he was a champ in the 70's.
WoooSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Zane's physique was incredible. I know it's the minority of bodybuilding fans who disagree. Probably Obama voters. ;D
your right about that old timer, mike mentzer to for that matter
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A God . . .
http://www.agelesstimeless.com/featured/frank_zane/frank_zane.html
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What I've seen so far is that the most popular bodybuilders are ..
1 Arnold Schwarzenegger
2 Ronnie Coleman
3 Dorian Yates
4 Frank Zane
And probably people has more respect/admiration for Frank's built than the rest .
I don't hear or see as many pics of Haney..... Am I wrong ?
If so, are you more of a fan of Lee Haney than Zane ?
Should Lee Haney be top 4 and not Zane?
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A God . . .
http://www.agelesstimeless.com/featured/frank_zane/frank_zane.html
amazing...really,when the term swimmer get thrown around here,and people saying it never posts a pic other than saying 'i'll keep my build 'lol,,,take a pic in same poses and compare to the 'swimmer'good luck...
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Kai would have a decent build he's been training for YEARS
Ahh yes that would make for interesting viewing.
Those that do actually train hard & have muscle maturity & density
Vs those that are all Drugs.
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zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did
amazing...really,when the term swimmer get thrown around here,and people saying it never posts a pic other than saying 'i'll keep my build 'lol,,,take a pic in same poses and compare to the 'swimmer'good luck...
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zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did
I BELIEVE SO HENCH...
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just goes to show how much more popular and mainstream bodybuilding was in the late 70's and early 80's
you had arnold, zane and mentzer all three were highly popular and widely known, you could say after that guard was done.
the sport got less and less popular, lets be real here, haney was not that popular and didnt have much fan fare. yes he won 8 olympias
but outside the small cult fallowing, not many peopole knew who he was. this all goes to the bigger is better mentality that overtook the
judging. i would even venture to say that samir was the last olympia winner who had a beautiful build on him after that all down hill
ever since. dorian took over for haney in the more is better department, i wonder how the sport would be today if the judges had
awared the title to someone such as flex wheeler, lee priest of even shawn ray.
chime in !
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King Zane's greatest pic imo
absolutely perfect proportions right there
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King Zane's greatest pic imo
absolutely perfect proportions right there
:o...the return,,,,
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:o...the return,,,,
;D
but i plan to keep my ego in check this time around, so we will see
and mad respect for your dedication to the iron brother 8)
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but i plan to keep my ego in check this time around, so we will see
and mad respect for your dedication to the iron brother 8)
8) TO HAVE U BACK....I KEPT YOUR 'LEGACY'ALIVE WITH SOME FASHION THREADS ;D...
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This pic is an Anatomy chart:
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King Zane's greatest pic imo
absolutely perfect proportions right there
I'll be damned. Look who's back.
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Haney was joking when he said he finally learnt how to peak @ THE 91 O
HE knew hwo to peak
many consider 86 and 91 his best form
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Haney was joking when he said he finally learnt how to peak @ THE 91 O
HE knew hwo to peak
many consider 86 and 91 his best form
No he wasn't joking. Read his book he elaborates how either a day before or a day after the contest he would peak instead of the day of
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Zaney, no-brainer.
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Zaney, no-brainer.
I'd go for Franklee Insanely, for, the Zane-animal Kingdom.
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zane would still turn heads to this day walking around looking like he did
Zane, Reeves, Arnold, Draper, Pearl, Park, Mentzer...Those men of the past brought forward today would all turn heads. The pitiful pigs of today only turn two things:
Stomachs.
And schmoes on.
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Question :
Featuring Mr.O champ Frank Zane on the cover of muscle mags plus articles, interview and classic pictorials, do better in sales than the current pros?
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Zane, Reeves, Arnold, Draper, Pearl, Park, Mentzer...Those men of the past brought forward today would all turn heads. The pitiful pigs of today only turn two things:
Stomachs.
And schmoes on.
Ahmen ...Brother ;)
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just goes to show how much more popular and mainstream bodybuilding was in the late 70's and early 80's
you had arnold, zane and mentzer all three were highly popular and widely known, you could say after that guard was done.
the sport got less and less popular, lets be real here, haney was not that popular and didnt have much fan fare. yes he won 8 olympias
but outside the small cult fallowing, not many peopole knew who he was. this all goes to the bigger is better mentality that overtook the
judging. i would even venture to say that samir was the last olympia winner who had a beautiful build on him after that all down hill
ever since. dorian took over for haney in the more is better department, i wonder how the sport would be today if the judges had
awared the title to someone such as flex wheeler, lee priest of even shawn ray.
chime in !
Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.
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30 years ago Being Mr.Olympia at 5'11' 250 lbs was way more marketable (better) than the actual mr.O.....
Too bad Haney doesnt get the credit he deserves .
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Haney took secondary hypogonadism to a new whole level.
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I remember Arnold looking at Haney and saying "WoW Guess I was wrong about Lee, he might have a chance at breaking my record after all" .
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Could you imagine if they drug tested today? 100% of them would look like absolute shit. Worse than 1990 by far.
Would? They already do. Maybe them getting off drugs would actually be an improvement to 100% of their physiques.
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i agree 100 pct,,, wasn't zane's best look here tho..his legs late60's early 70's were big compared to later yrs ,i guess he brought them down and conditioned to get illussion of classic bbing he wanted..
Zane went as high as 220-225 in the late 60's/early 70's believe it or not. 1982 he was slightly over 200 at the Mr. O and in 1983 he was down to 180 pounds.
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5'9 180 vs. 5'11 245...Are you kidding me? Zane would wiped off the stage. And that 5'11 245 comes with a 32 inch waist, a vacuum and flaring lats.
Haney was well into his 250's in 1991.
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zane mentioned in the same sentence as haney, lol... i guess whitey needs his reassurance ::)
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zane mentioned in the same sentence as haney, lol... i guess whitey needs his reassurance ::)
As racially childish as those that use "dindu nuffin" sans provocation. Given your history, I doubt you realized this.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=672042;image)
'91 guest posing. Gives us a glimpse of what "Could have been" if Lee stuck around and kept upping the size game to hang with Dorian. Would have been an interesting matchup in '92
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396303.0;attach=431287;image)
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I had that contest on VHS 90 O. Christian and Labrada destroyed Haney. Christian should have won, Labrada 2nd ,Haney should have been 3rd at most.
I agree, I thought Christian was better than Haney that year.
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for being an 8x Mr. Olympia, Lee rarely gets discussed here. Very strange.
WooOSHHH LEVRO-NEEEEEEEEE
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frank zane just had a nicer looking physique, never did see what was so great about haney
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Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.
mcway you are way off on that one, mike mentzer was very popular during his short run, he was a great writer as well.
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mcway you are way off on that one, mike mentzer was very popular during his short run, he was a great writer as well.
I think he means outside of the bb community.
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well just lou ferrigno, thats about it
dolph lundgren was pretty huge at one time int he 80's he is more well known from rocky 4 than any pro bb competing right now
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No, bigger is not my answer. Haney is best combo of size, shape, conditioning and proportions. He's the prototype.
This
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Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.
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Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.
Samir is like wow I was mr o yrs ago now I blew out my waist chasing this guy...
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Really I don't think that Haney had great proportions. He had an incredible torso, but his legs and arms were (at least) a class below. But overall, I prefer Haney's physique.
In '91 his legs had improved quite a bit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607123.0;attach=674587;image)
But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)
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Samir is like wow I was mr o yrs ago now I blew out my waist chasing this guy...
QFT
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In '91 his legs had improved quite a bit.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=607123.0;attach=674587;image)
But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)
he was incredible that yr,,,did all for the 'final'bow...
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1990 version of Lee.. ;)
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I think many people interpret Zane as an underdog and he gets a lot of respect in that regard. Haney dominated save for '90
He didn't dominate in 1983 either. Although he did place 3rd and Zane 4th, so I'll give you that. The improvements he made from 1982 to 1983 and then to 1984 were remarkable.
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Wo. How much did Haney weigh in 1990? Not his billed weight, but his actual weight? Looks to be MAX 230.
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Who knows but I've never seen that video before and I think he still looks awesome, every bit the champ amongst that lot.
Wo. How much did Haney weigh in 1990? Not his billed weight, but his actual weight? Looks to be MAX 230.
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His 3 Sandows are more admired and respected than all Philsulin sandows combined ....that must suck
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Zane.
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Zane wasn't "widely known" and neither was Mentzer. Schwarzenegger's being widely known has more to do with his movie career, not his being Mr. Olympia.
I think Haney,during his reign, had more mainstream exposure, than any Mr Olympia before or since.
Fame is an ephemeral thing.
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Awesome LEE
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He didn't dominate in 1983 either. Although he did place 3rd and Zane 4th, so I'll give you that. The improvements he made from 1982 to 1983 and then to 1984 were remarkable.
and only 23 when he won his first Mr O
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But in '90, the tested show, he was badly off. Pretty much all torso.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/Haney06.jpg)
JESUS
god awful arms in that pose
mentzers arms DESTROY his
hell, even bequeer might have him beat on arms LOLZ
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JESUS
god awful arms in that pose
mentzers arms DESTROY his
hell, even bequeer might have him beat on arms LOLZ
HANEY looked bestfor 'him'in the crab pose,he did the kev/ray hands clasped but he looked 'ok'in it,when he was his'best'fullest' the crab was it..
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HANEY looked bestfor 'him'in the crab pose,he did the kev/ray hands clasped but he looked 'ok'in it,when he was his'best'fullest' the crab was it..
he lacked arms but he did have an outstanding torso
imagine mentzers arms on his torso 8)
good to have you back brosef
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and only 23 when he won his first Mr O
24(almost 25). Still phenomenal though.
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Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover
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Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover
HIS LEGS THEN were pretty impressive ,when his torso blew up 84/85/86 his legs leveled out with the bigger top
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24(almost 25). Still phenomenal though.
You're right, he was born in '59 and won his first Olympia in '84 (right before his 25th birthday).
Arnold was the youngest winner at 23 years old.
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HIS LEGS THEN were pretty impressive ,when his torso blew up 84/85/86 his legs leveled out with the bigger top
who gives a shit about legs
arms and pecs is EVERYTHING
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frank zane just had a nicer looking physique, never did see what was so great about haney
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who gives a shit about legs
arms and pecs is EVERYTHING
Clearly top level Bodybuilders do.
Arms & Pecs only ::) jeez what an idiot.
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Clearly top level Bodybuilders do.
Arms & Pecs only ::) jeez what an idiot.
he hasn't even got arms and pecs...
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zane looks wicked here..
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he hasn't even got arms and pecs...
I kind of expected that
Or much grey matter either.
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I kind of expected that
Or much grey matter either.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)
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(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)
This be him 😱
Where are the Pecs & Arms.!!
Does he train at the MotherCare Gym
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Haney at the 1983 MO.. Ironman cover
230 pounds onstage at his first Mr. 0. 240 pounds in 1984 and those 10 extra pounds show big time.
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While good, that was not Haney, Haney. He showed up in 84. Zane was shallow from many angles
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Haney sucks. Haney is far better than that idiot Coleman. That's called damning Haney with faith praise.
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Haney didn't talk shit. Wasn't addicted to painkillers. He took breaks from juice. Married his high school sweetheart. Consistent. Honerable. Humble. Good father.
I guess people consider that boring.
Was Zane, Dorian or Arnold addicted to pain killers? I dont think so, so what's your point?
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(http://i50.tinypic.com/28jgr3d.jpg)
Is this a real pic of him? Hahahaha
Those "German" genetics aren't there
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Is this a real pic of him? Hahahaha
Those "German" genetics aren't there
GERMANIC...
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GERMANIC...
For all his talk about joooooooos he looks pretty jewish to me.
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Watched the 89 olympia last night. Brian buchanon looks awesome there. As well as haney. Abit of a forgotten olympia. No synthol and that shit.
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Two of my fav Zane pics
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Lee Haney small waist and amazing torso ...
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Two of my fav Zane pics
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I think he had a Rich Froning size build - around 5'9 and 190-lb, except leaner. He trained for "balance" even though in reality he did everything he could to grow as much as possible, but just had the genetics to be 5'9 and 190-lb, but FLEX magazine created the tale of Zane training for balance when he just did what everyone else did. Oh, and I also copied this post from someone else on here. ;D
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I think he had a Rich Froning size build - around 5'9 and 190-lb, except leaner. He trained for "balance" even though in reality he did everything he could to grow as much as possible, but just had the genetics to be 5'9 and 190-lb, but FLEX magazine created the tale of Zane training for balance when he just did what everyone else did. Oh, and I also copied this post from someone else on here. ;D
I could get my legs bigger if I wanted to, I just don't want chaffing thighs, my legs grew very easily when I started training.
My upper body struggles to gain size.
Legs for me now is
6 sets hacks with 30kilos max
6 sets leg curls with around 40kilos
5 sets calf raises with around 90kilos
3 sets stiff leg deadlifts with a 10 kilo plate.
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Awesome Lee; showing Wide shoulders ,small waist, ripped ans lean overall physique
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Estos Fisicos se acabaron ya .
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:o :o :o
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Makes me laugh when people say zane had a swimmers physique. I haven't seen a swimmer close to having his build, quality muscle carved to perfection
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Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.
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Funny looking back - The day after this competition Wayne Demilia (Top IFBB guy at the time) told me Haney had too much muscle on his frame. Said he hoped he would lose a bit and tighten up next year as he had taken his bodybuilding too far .....
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Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.
And waist looks smaller than Zanes despite being taller and heavier.
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Haney is clearly crushing Zane. It's not even close.
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They both appeal to gay men.
The whole genre of Hercules / Gladiator films of the 50's and 60's were gay porn. Not that there's anything wrong with that but it was so blatant they spoofed it in Airplane. This is why Reeves is so popular.
does that make movies like Predator the gay porn of the 80s?
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Sick pic of Haney. Look at that taper.
Yeah. Here's his taper. FTN.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0864/9710/products/Fake_Poop_Human_Turd.jpeg?v=1459017826)
Haney is nowhere near as perfect as Zane. He should have lost two or three of his SchmOelympias to Labrada. I will say this, Haney is a better O than Dicksuckerson.
Lee "good food and Weider supplements and no stay-roids" Haney.
FTN.
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We go through this ad nauseam. ::)
It is always Zane vs. somebody.
Most of the time it is bodybuilders who have no right to the comparison.
Haney vs. Zane.
If you want to be bigger, you want to be Haney.
If you want to be smaller, but more detailed and complete, you want to be Zane.
Who would be more appealing to the general public?
Zane.
What look would pull more (and better quality) pussy, facial features and race notwithstanding?
Zane.
In fact, if bodybuilding really had a following today, and Zane was the current Mr. Olympia, I dare say that with his intelligence and charisma there is a good chance he'd be a mainstream celebrity.
And to close, these two guys are multiple Mr. Olympia winners. They both have most likely enjoyed good personal lives. They've made money and lived well. I doubt either cares what a bunch of guys on the GetBig forums think about them. ::)
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We go through this ad nauseam. ::)
It is always Zane vs. somebody.
Most of the time it is bodybuilders who have no right to the comparison.
Haney vs. Zane.
If you want to be bigger, you want to be Haney.
If you want to be smaller, but more detailed and complete, you want to be Zane.
Who would be more appealing to the general public?
Zane.
What look would pull more (and better quality) pussy, facial features and race notwithstanding?
Zane.
In fact, if bodybuilding really had a following today, and Zane was the current Mr. Olympia, I dare say that with his intelligence and charisma there is a good chance he'd be a mainstream celebrity.
And to close, these two guys are multiple Mr. Olympia winners. They both have most likely enjoyed good personal lives. They've made money and lived well. I doubt either cares what a bunch of guys on the GetBig forums think about them. ::)
Who would win in a bodybuilding contest ?
Haney.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ;D
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I don't necessarily agree that emphasis should be put on "who pulls the most pussy" but even if Haney may win in a bodybuilding contest, Zane's physique is still very commendable.
Exactly !!!! Bodybuilding is not about "who can pull the most amount of pussy " never was, never will be ..... If it was, Bob Paris would have beat them both by a lot ! ...
But we know better ;D
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Haney may win but not just because he's the bigger guy. I would say that Zane is more streamlined overall but Haney still brings quality aesthetics with more mass on a bigger frame, a great back, etc. Even though he's bigger, he still has those aesthetic qualities that classic bodybuilding is all about. Zane would still beat many a big guy if they didn't have those aesthetic bodybuilding qualities.
Haneys legs from the back always made him look knock kneed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=555301.0;attach=587777;image)
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Berry was great then 8)
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Haha! Strydom hitting that pose like he's never done it before lol ;D DeMey showing them both how it should be done there 8)
Haneys legs from the back always made him look knock kneed.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=555301.0;attach=587777;image)
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And Strydom getting destroyed by both
No matter how a pose is done, to as correctly aesthetic as possible, if the person doesn't have the muscle compared to their competitor... they won't win. DeMey easily loses that pose to Haney, even though DeMey is hitting it better.
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No matter how a pose is done, to as correctly aesthetic as possible, if the person doesn't have the muscle compared to their competitor... they won't win. DeMey easily loses that pose to Haney, even though DeMey is hitting it better.
Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close
Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.
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Let's see Haney 8 Mr. Os. No gut, vacuum, the last great Mr. Olympia, has his health, incredible ambassador. It's laughable that this is even a thread. Haney vs. Zane. Lolololololololol. Only you pale males could suggest such an absurd comparison. Zane looks good but Haney is the pinnacle of physique development.
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Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close
Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.
Agreed. My eye is drawn to DeMey in this comparison. Berry's lower back with its striated Christmas tree is also miles ahead of the other two.
It's a shame that Berry's bodybuilding career was cut short by his pec tear.
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Haha! Strydom hitting that pose like he's never done it before lol ;D DeMey showing them both how it should be done there 8)
I don't even think Strydom has finished hitting it yet, but yes he sucks terribly in that pose and overdieted that year.
'91 WBF. He has an arm/delt dominant build anyway, I think from the front, at his best, he more than made up for it.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67760.0;attach=77339;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=67760.0;attach=77340;image)
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I don't even think Strydom has finished hitting it yet, but yes he sucks terribly in that pose and overdieted that year.
Sure, I was being a tool about it, he's clearly just about to 'fold out'..... just not by much.... ;)
'91 WBF. He has an arm/delt dominant build anyway, I think from the front, at his best, he more than made up for it.
No argument about that from me (or Vince).
(inserts 25 year old gif)
(http://s19.postimg.org/jz3203zdf/giphy.gif)
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WBF was a joke. The places were given in order of each contract value.
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Frank Zane is the prime example of a FATED individual ....
In 1977 Franco, Mr.O champ is out with a bad knee injury
Lou Ferrigno walks away at age 25 to do the HUlk tv series.
Serge Nubret is banned from competing IFBB
Arnold has retired two year earlier not even age 30 !!!
Sergio Oliva is at war with the Weiders so out of the picture too.
In other words, Frank would have been lucky to crack top 6 in 1977 , yet he ended up winning the Mr.O the reamining of the decade .
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Frank Zane is the prime example of a FATED individual ....
In 1977 Franco, Mr.O champ is out with a bad knee injury
Lou Ferrigno walks away at age 25 to do the HUlk tv series.
Serge Nubret is banned from competing IFBB
Arnold has retired two year earlier not even age 30 !!!
Sergio Oliva is at war with the Weiders so out of the picture too.
In other words, Frank would have been lucky to crack top 6 in 1977 , yet he ended up winning the Mr.O the reamining of the decade
All True
Though None of it was anything to do with him
He took his chances & competed like the other who competed
And he was judged the winner
Yes what could have been for the others
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Not entirely- Haneys back Very Good - Lower body in that pose goes to Berry
Condition & detail Berry
Overall in that pose it’s very close
Clearly you are not a bodybuilding judge.
I would actually give that pose to Berry due to being more complete top to bottom,better detail and condition etc.
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Who would win in a bodybuilding contest ?
Haney.
WoooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ;D
Yes, he would.
But most of the male population would prefer to look like Zane.
Most women would prefer their guy have a Zane-like physique, not a Haney-like one.
Exactly !!!! Bodybuilding is not about "who can pull the most amount of pussy " never was, never will be ..... If it was, Bob Paris would have beat them both by a lot ! ...
But we know better ;D
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The topic is about the popularity of certain bodybuilders, not who would win in a bodybuilding contest between them.
Pay attention.
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Yes, he would.
But most of the male population would prefer to look like Zane.
Most women would prefer their guy have a Zane-like physique, not a Haney-like one.
The topic is about the popularity of certain bodybuilders, not who would win in a bodybuilding contest between them.
Pay attention.
Good point , but we're talking about popularity among bodybuilding in general not the average Joe or what a woman would choose .
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Lee Haney is the only multi Olympia winner that dominated the lineup.
His last Olympia was his best ever condition.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=277290.0;attach=316642;image)
My eyes! My eyes!
Yates haircut kills me!
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1989-1979
In this pic Zaney.
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Haney sucked. Of course that's why he won. FTN.
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All True
Though None of it was anything to do with him
He took his chances & competed like the other who competed
And he was judged the winner
Yes what could have been for the others
thats correct..he was there on the day...competed and won, History is full of people who never gave up or got discouraged because they were beaten time after time, persistence in ANYTHING will always give you a chance @ winning wether it’s golf, tennis, combat or anything else, if X Y or Z isn’t there on the day that’s got nothing too do with you, if your good enough your good enough on the day in question History books will record you as a winner and for others could of beens.
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There is so much contradiction in this " sport" everyone likes Zane better because is the ideal , perfection and yet attainable. So they say anyway...... Then those very same fans start comparing Haney and Yates. Saying that Yates was better because was freakier.
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There is so much contradiction in this " sport" everyone likes Zane better because is the ideal , perfection and yet attainable. So they say anyway...... Then those very same fans start comparing Haney and Yates. Saying that Yates was better because was freakier.
Haney was a great Bodybuilder with a strong torso chest shoulders and back. his arms were very weak his legs were nothing special at all his abs were OK with a wierd split. between all three Id rather look like Zane. tough call between Yates and Haney but id probably lean toward Yates as he was more complete. which one is a greater bodybuilder Haney far more dominant against strong competition and way more Mr. Os. to his name.
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Got back ?
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Back to basics .
Wooshhhhhhh total Leeeeeeeeeee
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Back to basics .
Wooshhhhhhh total Leeeeeeeeeee
Incredible shot. Very detailed without overblown arms.
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Frank Zane makes me continue to trim up/not play the size game
thank you frank
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Frank Zane makes me continue to trim up/not play the size game
thank you frank
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Zane was on the covers of M&F well past his reign as Mr.O .
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Haneys the best MR. O (IMO). GOAT.
Frank is one the best also. Both better than gap-tooth...
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Even though active close to the same time, influenced by two different eras and two different approaches to mass. Hard to compare.
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This is by far the most respected pair of Olympian winners in history . I doubt anyone can disagree.
There should be a book about Lee and Zane , they deserve it.
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Zane was on the covers of M&F well past his reign as Mr.O .
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This is by far the most respected pair of Olympian winners in history . I doubt anyone can disagree.
There should be a book about Lee and Zane , they deserve it.
Zane, yes. Haney, not so much. He had more than a few gift Olympias and in my not so humble estimation, was not worthy of more than (I shall be generous) three wins. Weider gave him 8 in a pussy attempt to humble Arnold. Fuck Weider and his noise.
Zane is the personification of aesthetics on drugs(Steve Reeves wins the natural title for that). Haney in his own words "never took no stayroids and only goot fuud and Weider supplemnts". Lying fake christian.
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2 Mr.O winners !
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Lee Haney is the most underrated bodybuilder.
Bob Paris 1984 would have beaten any version of Zane.
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Lee Haney is the most underrated bodybuilder.
Bob Paris 1984 would have beaten any version of Zane.
Agreed on both counts. Benfatto was better than Zane as well.
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crazy conditioned
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Look at the quality and hardness on display from Haney and zane ^.... This is what bodybuilding should be about,
I'm all for guys being bigger than this but they must be tight with density and hardness detail over fullness and "size",...
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2 Mr.O winners !
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=785106;image)
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I've probably said this a few times on here, but all things considered Samir is probably my favourite Mr O. Handsome b4stard (no h0mo) World class mustache and great guy as well - totally approachable and shot the sh1t with me for far too long when I met him on the GP tour back in the '90s. Got a pic too, and he didn't charge me $20 ;D
(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/samir-bannout-2019-guru-new-696x341.jpg)
"Samir Bannout’s campaign against gurus and modern day bodybuilding.
1983 Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout has always been outspoken in the sport of bodybuilding. In recent months, Samir’s views about using ‘gurus’ and methods to get bigger faster has been increasing dramatically. The subject of bodybuilding ‘gurus’ is what Samir talks about the most on his official Facebook and Instagram pages.
Bannout has been telling his followers to stay away from the ‘guru’. Samir is totally against their methods and believes they are putting athletes in danger and making them live a miserable and unhealthy life.
Regarding modern day bodybuilding methods, Samir is also insisting that the use of insulin and growth hormone is killing the sport of bodybuilding. Samir actually compared the modern day bodybuilder to gorillas in his posts"
https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/)
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I've probably said this a few times on here, but all things considered Samir is probably my favourite Mr O. Handsome b4stard (no h0mo) World class mustache and great guy as well - totally approachable and shot the sh1t with me for far too long when I met him on the GP tour back in the '90s. Got a pic too, and he didn't charge me $20 ;D
(https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/samir-bannout-2019-guru-new-696x341.jpg)
"Samir Bannout’s campaign against gurus and modern day bodybuilding.
1983 Mr. Olympia Samir Bannout has always been outspoken in the sport of bodybuilding. In recent months, Samir’s views about using ‘gurus’ and methods to get bigger faster has been increasing dramatically. The subject of bodybuilding ‘gurus’ is what Samir talks about the most on his official Facebook and Instagram pages.
Bannout has been telling his followers to stay away from the ‘guru’. Samir is totally against their methods and believes they are putting athletes in danger and making them live a miserable and unhealthy life.
Regarding modern day bodybuilding methods, Samir is also insisting that the use of insulin and growth hormone is killing the sport of bodybuilding. Samir actually compared the modern day bodybuilder to gorillas in his posts"
https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/ (https://www.evolutionofbodybuilding.net/samir-bannouts-campaign-against-gurus/)
Samir certainly up there with the Best of Olympia wining Physiques
As Good as Frank was Samir at his Best was Better & It a Tough Call between
Him & Lee at their Peak.
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I remember watching the 1984 televised Mr. Olympia when Haney took 1st. He looked unreal to me.
(https://i.redd.it/5a5dnwg1e4x11.jpg)
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(https://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=573877.0;attach=785231;image)
I'm not a fan of Zane's physique , but he looks great there .
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Zane is superb. Haney is not. If others here feel differently that's fine. I can't stand Lee Vainey. He is fugly.
He should have no more than four Sandows. But hey...It's a subjective pastime, bodybuilding. Labrada was better on at least two occasions but again, this is my subjective reasoning.
And once more, with feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeling. I don't care at all for Haney or his physique.
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Lee Haney was a monster, Zane is aesthetic but Haney is one of the the first mass monsters
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Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.
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Zane looks perfect there.
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Zane looks perfect there.
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Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.
True. Many go under the radar from that era. Same as a couple of amateurs that look better than pros today. The competition was so much tougher.
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Zane was 42 here. Loved his posing routine to One of These Days.
Paris though a much more aesthetically pleasing build, not to mention taller and probably wider, never nailed his condition the way Zane could.
And Benfatto.... I get he has a certain quality to his physique but I thought it was weird. He had clean lines but an oddly compact torso with long legs.
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Makkawy was hugely underrated. You hardly ever hear him mentioned.
He was trained by Vince the Gonad for a while and the Weiders did not approve.
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Zane was 42 here. Loved his posing routine to One of These Days.
Paris though a much more aesthetically pleasing build, not to mention taller and probably wider, never nailed his condition the way Zane could.
And Benfatto.... I get he has a certain quality to his physique but I thought it was weird. He had clean lines but an oddly compact torso with long legs.
Brutal if true
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He was trained by Vince the Gonad for a while and the Weiders did not approve.
Didn't Joe send Arnold to train with Vince when he first came to America?
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Didn't Joe send Arnold to train with Vince when he first came to America?
So it is written.
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Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever! I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD. BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished. Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests wrote books and he himself became "mainstream" . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
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Haney 8
Zane 3
🤔 Hmmmmmm .............
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Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD. BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished. Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests wrote books and he himself became "mainstream" . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.
2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.
I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention. But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.
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Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.
2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.
I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention. But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.
This .
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Disagree with a couple of points here. Despite being smaller in stature and weight, Zane did not disappear on stage. Thats what was so great about him. He understood how to present himself and create the illusion of being bigger.
2. Haney was so far ahead of everyone else it isn't even an issue. The only one he was lucky to win was the drug tested Olympia. That was an odd contest. I have never heard anything about Lee being an asshole or a racist.
I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention. But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.
I do agree that Arnold did more for the sport than anybody. Thats why I don't understand the spiteful attitude people had toward him in the late 70's. I mean he was getting bodybuilding into the mainstream, getting shows/contests on TV, getting all the bodybuilders so much exposure. He was probably insufferable to be around, probably always subtlety putting people in their place, hogging the limelight always having to be the center of attention. But come on without Arnolds work bodybuilding would be even more obscure than it already is. As soon as he turned his attention to his movie career it slipped back into obscurity little by little. I didn't get the disrespect Zane, Mentzer, Coe etc showed him. They were benefitting from his work to promote the sport and they despised him for it.
Jealousy - Simple as.
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Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever! I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD. BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished. Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests wrote books and he himself became "mainstream" . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
Racist? How so?
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Yes Weider did in fact send The king to train with Vince. It was exactly what he needed to become the best ever! I understand peoples obsession with guys being a "monster" and freakish etc. They think that that is what bodybuilding is about. I too as a kid thought get huge that's it. I would look at the magazines and seen little Frank Zane winning and I was like WTF!!
BUT then as I got bigger and started to understand what bodybuilding ( the sport or art or whatever you prefer to call it) was really about then I started to understand more. Big is fine and all that but from the competition side EVERYTHING must flow be balanced and presented well. On stage pose properly gracefully and show confidence. Be big proportionate and symmetrical and be lean but NOT unhealthy looking lean.
Frank Zane all by himself had the ultimate physique. PERIOD. BUT when next to bigger guys he vanished. Arnold had the biggest and most proportionate body and when he posed he posed to hide bodyparts that may not have been as superior to other contestants as were his other bodyparts. He was a master . The 70s and most of the 80's had the best guys EVER. The amatuers had such great guys too. All were amazing. I don't think Haney is all that. He was ok and should have won a few olympias and all that. But he was an asshole and very very racist. He has a reputation as being such a nice guy etc. I know more about him than a lot of people. He had a good public image and a good body but I didn't and don't like the man.
Arnold was the only guy who worked hard to get bodybuilders accepted more mainstream as a sport/ art. He went on tv shows he promoted contests wrote books and he himself became "mainstream" . The bodybuilders all thought they would repeat what he did but they never put in the work They just expected it to happen. I do not like Arnold now BUT without him where would the fitness industry be? Where would the prize money be at? So anyways I rambled on. Zane beats Haney any time. Padilla does to bob paris does too. Lot's do. In my opinion.
thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney
I hope you have something to back that up
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thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney
I hope you have something to back that up
Rich Gaspari account? ;D
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Rich Gaspari account? ;D
Must be... ;D
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No I do not have anything to back it up. This is from personal conversations I had with him during the mid to late 80's. Mostly around contest time(s). I know the stress and the drugs etc can make a person say and do and behave in ways that are not always their norm. So I just attributed it to that.
Also when I said Zane "vanished" when next to bigger guys that was probably a bad choice of words. I should have said something like " his weakness showed more" or something. Like I said by himself the man was a statue. No weak parts and everything flowed. But next to bigger guys he looked different. But all that mattered is who the judges votes for. That was back when the judges were fair and voted the right way. NOT like now days. They only care about big bloated mass. Why are they always looking like they are contstipated and trying to take a shit when posing? And they way they stand all flared out to the extreme. And why all the mouth opens or tongue hanging out and acting like they are in pain or struggling. Posing is supposed to look easy. Smile . relaxed confidence etc. Not now just a bunch of bloated bags of shit with 45 in waists at 250 lbs at 5 ft 7. I think "classic" bodybuilding shows more resemble true bodybuilding as it was meant to be but eventually the mass for the sake of mass will take over that too!
Just like female bodybuilding. At the beginning the ladies looked no better than a track athlete or gymnast. Lady like and feminine and decent looking. Bev Francis was voted down the list because she was just to much but compared to women now days she fits right in ( only they are more massive).
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No I do not have anything to back it up. This is from personal conversations I had with him during the mid to late 80's. Mostly around contest time(s). I know the stress and the drugs etc can make a person say and do and behave in ways that are not always their norm. So I just attributed it to that.
so what did he say that was racist?
I sense this is going to end with you providing zero evidence and getting all arsey.
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I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding. I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him took would destroy them.
Even Coleman has said as much. No one could come close to Arnold. I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone. In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold. But overall it is without a doubt Arnold. When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes. Reg Park too.
For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much. Drugs make up for shit genes, how else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders? I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is my preference. Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney. The build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D
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so what did he say that was racist?
I sense this is going to end with you providing zero evidence and getting all arsey.
Unless Big offers some proof to the matter asserted, I think we should all just walk away from that comment and act like it never happened.
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This is kind of an odd thing to bring up, but if any of you ever heard the story of how Frank Zane ripped his urethra three weeks before the Mr. Olympia. As somebody trained an emergency medicine, you always imagine the mechanism of injury when someone gets hurt and I just wonder how the fuck that happens. Also, could that possibly be the reason Zane never had any children. Could the dude have de-cocked himself in a freak accident?
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This is kind of an odd thing to bring up, but if any of you ever heard the story of how Frank Zane ripped his urethra three weeks before the Mr. Olympia. As somebody trained an emergency medicine, you always imagine the mechanism of injury when someone gets hurt and I just wonder how the fuck that happens. Also, could that possibly be the reason Zane never had any children. Could the dude have de-cocked himself in a freak accident?
Yes, he talked about it before in magazine articles. Clamped it between the metal poles when a lawn chair he was sitting on clamped shut when he was tanning outside. Brutal injury.
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I have no proof. It was in conversations. So even if I said anything I have no way to back up my claims. I am not about to argue over anything that I can not prove. So just let it go. Like I said I kind of attributed it to the contest dieting drugs etc. When Frank cut his urethra he was already old enough to have had kids. So that had nothing to do with it. Rumor around golds ( even though Frank didn't train there much) was just that Christine couldn't have kids. I am 59 no kids. ( same woman for 20 years and she is 14 years younger than me) My brother passed at 59 ( my age now he passed 6 years ago) Him and his wife didn't want kids. Some people just don't want them. But again that was just a rumor. Maybe they didn't want them either. OR maybe his prolonged use of steroids screwed him up. Remember back in the day people didn't know much about pct or things. They went off as long as they were on. LOL not exactly scientific .
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I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding. I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him took would destroy them.
Even Coleman has said as much. No one could come close to Arnold. I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone. In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold. But overall it is without a doubt Arnold. When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes. Reg Park too.
For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much. Drugs make up for shit genes, how else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders? I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is my preference. Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney. The build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D
According to Sergio Olivia Steve Reeves used steroids just like everyone else at that time
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I have no proof. It was in conversations. So even if I said anything I have no way to back up my claims. I am not about to argue over anything that I can not prove. So just let it go. Like I said I kind of attributed it to the contest dieting drugs etc. When Frank cut his urethra he was already old enough to have had kids. So that had nothing to do with it. Rumor around golds ( even though Frank didn't train there much) was just that Christine couldn't have kids. I am 59 no kids. ( same woman for 20 years and she is 14 years younger than me) My brother passed at 59 ( my age now he passed 6 years ago) Him and his wife didn't want kids. Some people just don't want them. But again that was just a rumor. Maybe they didn't want them either. OR maybe his prolonged use of steroids screwed him up. Remember back in the day people didn't know much about pct or things. They went off as long as they were on. LOL not exactly scientific .
No, retract your unfounded allegations immediatly
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According to Sergio Olivia Steve Reeves used steroids just like everyone else at that time
The “Steve Reeves took steroids” claim is typically traced back to ‘Arnold: An Unauthorised Biography’ where the author Wendy Leigh says that Arnold was told about steroids by Kurt Marnul who said he’d learned about them from Steve Reeves, who he claims to have met on vacation in France in 1952.
This was refuted by Reeves who claims he did no visit France in the 1950s and had never heard of nor met Marnul.
" steroids " weren't even invented until years AFTER Reeves retired. There is an established timeline of testosterone and anabolics use in the US and Reeves predates it
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Yes, he talked about it before in magazine articles. Clamped it between the metal poles when a lawn chair he was sitting on clamped shut when he was tanning outside. Brutal injury.
More has been said and written about this questionable competition than any other Mr. Olympia contest, and if you add these comments to the 1981 Olympia competition you get the most controversial two years in competitive bodybuilding ever. In my mind Arnold didn’t deserve to win in 1980 nor did
Colombu deserve to win in 1981.
Did I deserve to win? I was in great shape, but I could have been better. With my mind set on winning four Mr. Olympia titles, I stood in my living room at our Palm Springs house looking out at the pool. It was early August, and I was right on schedule with my Olympia preparation. 208 pounds rock hard and angry about my life of deprivation and sacrifice.
“Oh hell, another 8 weeks of torture to look forward to” I said to myself as I kneeled to sit in the lawn chair near the edge of the pool. As I did the chair slid into the pool with me in it. I felt a hard bump in the groin and sunk to the bottom, dazed. Crawling out there was blood gushing from my penis. The bulbous urethra was smashed. Christine rushed me to the hospital, “keep saying your mantra” she advised.
Four hours later the doctor showed up, he’d been golfing. The nurses had been taking turns squeezing my penis to control the bleeding, but it wasn’t working too well. Finally, the doctor taped me in such a way that pressure was put on the urethra area. The bleeding stopped, a catheter was inserted, and I
went into shock.
Passing out, I thought I was dying. There was a lot of light, and I felt free of all cares and worries. “I could check out right now” I thought and then woke up in a hospital bed. I was there for at least a day (don’t quite remember) and didn’t know what to think or do. So, I called Arnold. He’d given me contest advice for the last several years and I really need it now.
“The word is at Gold’s Gym that you took so many steroids your dick exploded!” Arnold laughed. I expected derisive remarks from the Gold’s animal pit contingency and explained my situation. “What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.
https://frankzane.com/1980-mr-olympia/
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thats the first time I have ever heard anyone say a bad word about Haney
I hope you have something to back that up
He's full of shit. just like the made up stories from BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT. The only hint of a controversy with Haney was when aids because a thing in the 1980s Haney said something to the effect of he wouldn't want to share a locker room with someone who had it and this was in the magazines
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He's full of shit. just like the made up stories from BEEFYHEAVYWEIGHT. The only hint of a controversy with Haney was when aids because a thing in the 1980s Haney said something to the effect of he wouldn't want to share a locker room with someone who had it and this was in the magazines
Sounds like common sense bearing in mind people were still unaware of how it was transmitted fully by then
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Sounds like common sense bearing in mind people were still unaware of how it was transmitted fully by then
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More has been said and written about this questionable competition than any other Mr. Olympia contest, and if you add these comments to the 1981 Olympia competition you get the most controversial two years in competitive bodybuilding ever. In my mind Arnold didn’t deserve to win in 1980 nor did
Colombu deserve to win in 1981.
Did I deserve to win? I was in great shape, but I could have been better. With my mind set on winning four Mr. Olympia titles, I stood in my living room at our Palm Springs house looking out at the pool. It was early August, and I was right on schedule with my Olympia preparation. 208 pounds rock hard and angry about my life of deprivation and sacrifice.
“Oh hell, another 8 weeks of torture to look forward to” I said to myself as I kneeled to sit in the lawn chair near the edge of the pool. As I did the chair slid into the pool with me in it. I felt a hard bump in the groin and sunk to the bottom, dazed. Crawling out there was blood gushing from my penis. The bulbous urethra was smashed. Christine rushed me to the hospital, “keep saying your mantra” she advised.
Four hours later the doctor showed up, he’d been golfing. The nurses had been taking turns squeezing my penis to control the bleeding, but it wasn’t working too well. Finally, the doctor taped me in such a way that pressure was put on the urethra area. The bleeding stopped, a catheter was inserted, and I
went into shock.
Passing out, I thought I was dying. There was a lot of light, and I felt free of all cares and worries. “I could check out right now” I thought and then woke up in a hospital bed. I was there for at least a day (don’t quite remember) and didn’t know what to think or do. So, I called Arnold. He’d given me contest advice for the last several years and I really need it now.
“The word is at Gold’s Gym that you took so many steroids your dick exploded!” Arnold laughed. I expected derisive remarks from the Gold’s animal pit contingency and explained my situation. “What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.
https://frankzane.com/1980-mr-olympia/
Good God! He had real balls to compete after that. No pun.
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I still think that Weider gave Haney 8 wins to "teach" Arnold a lesson on who's really in charge of bodybuilding. I think it didn't work because Arnold is still considered the best and anyone that knows bodybuilding knows that Arnold on what these people that came after him took would destroy them.
Even Coleman has said as much. No one could come close to Arnold. I much prefer Zane's physique over Haney's but I prefer Reeves over anyone. In the real world the best ever drug free is Reeves and with drugs it's Arnold. But overall it is without a doubt Arnold. When people talk about genetics, Reeves and Arnold had near perfect genes. Reg Park too.
For decades now bodybuilders have started drugs when way too young and with way too much. Drugs make up for shit genes, how else can they explain HUGE (and fugly!) women bodybuilders? I like Serge Nubret's build far better than Haney's but that is my preference. Nubret is fantastic and far more handsome than Haney. The build of men like Nubret and Zane is preferred except amongst the fetish fiend schmoes. ;D
That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.
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Zane asking Arnold for advices?
“What do you think I should do?” I asked the Oak. “You should go to Australia and defend your title” he told me. “You are training hard, are you going to compete?” I asked. “No, I’ll be there doing the TV commentary for CBS” he told me.
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That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.
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It is what I think is true. Haney is no Coleman or Yates let alone Arnold. This is a subjective pageant, nothing more.
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That's the worst analogy I have ever heard, while Lee Haney was winning the Mr.O every year he hardly was featured on the cover of Weider's magazines while Arnold retired in 1980 yet was on both Flex and M&F covers few times a year.
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Purely money driven. Arnold on the cover sold millions which is why every magazine in the business had him on there.
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Same reason Bruce Lee was on the cover of every copy of Kung Fu Monthly long after he died
Bruce sold
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Young Zane.
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Exactly
Don't tell this to Palumbo ....he even developed ' Palumboism" with all the drugs he took
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Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....
Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder .
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Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....
Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder .
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YEAH...also ray was 'less' black ,goodlooking'no homo'
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Shawn Ray never won an Olympia , yet he was featured in more Weider publications than *8 X Mr.Olympia Lee Haney ....
Haney was charismatic, articulated had an ESPN show yet Weider treated him like a 3er tier Bodybuilder but wasnt a homo and refused to suck Joes dick
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fixed
Lol ... I see a patern there, both Sergio Oliva and Serge Nubret were practically canceled kicked out of Weiders umbrella for similar reasons
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YEAH...also ray was 'less' black ,goodlooking'no homo'
He was a good looking man. No homo. I think he marketed himself better.
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From Wendy leigh's book
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From Wendy leigh's book
Taking steroids at that young age probably increases hyperplasia which will benefit that bodybuilder the rest of his life. Look at guys like Arnold, Lee Priest, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, etc. Would those guys have ever been that developed had they waited until twenty something to start using?
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Zane looks natural by today's standards...
Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)
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5'9" 185 lbs
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Zane looks natural by today's standards...
Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)
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great build...some of those pics are less 'conditioned'than his stage photos mro..or some slighlty downsized condition wise,his stage pics are still not attainable'natural/clean'i get what your saying his height/weight ratio attainable size but again condition no..
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great build...some of those pics are less 'conditioned'than his stage photos mro..or some slighlty downsized condition wise,his stage pics are still not attainable'natural/clean'i get what your saying his height/weight ratio attainable size but again condition no..
Yup....
On stage condition he was flawless ... and not attainable naturally by any measure .... but still the poster boy for ideal physique .
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Zane looks natural by today's standards...
Thats why he has the most desirable bodybuilding physique among all Olympians (Phil Heath included)
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No. Only an unnatural natural could look like Zane.
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Yup....
On stage condition he was flawless ... and not attainable naturally by any measure .... but still the poster boy for ideal physique .
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I don´t think he ever said he was a natty?
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No. Only an unnatural natural could look like Zane.
Just 100mg of Primo per week and 15g of DBol per day starring 8 Weeks out. According to a cryptic poem he wrote.
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Obviously he took more than that.
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Obviously he took more than that.
I couldn't began to guess what he took. By 17 he was 160 at around 10% bf. 8 years later and 25lbs of stage weight and maturity minus water so around 5 lbs. So and 185 at 4%. Which means he'd be around 202 at 10%bf. He's was 5'9 with an ectomorph build.
That said, he obviously didn't take much. Based on everything I know about him, he is very methodical and conservative.
Since he did mention Dbol and primo. My best guess would be he never exceeded 25 mg of DBol per day 200 mg of primo. That's at most. I think he wasn't lying in that poem. Again, total guess.
These guys weren't drug monkeys like modern guys
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From Wendy leigh's book
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I couldn't began to guess what he took. By 17 he was 160 at around 10% bf. 8 years later and 25lbs of stage weight and maturity minus water so around 5 lbs. So and 185 at 4%. Which means he'd be around 202 at 10%bf. He's was 5'9 with an ectomorph build.
That said, he obviously didn't take much. Based on everything I know about him, he is very methodical and conservative.
Since he did mention Dbol and primo. My best guess would be he never exceeded 25 mg of DBol per day 200 mg of primo. That's at most. I think he wasn't lying in that poem. Again, total guess.
These guys weren't drug monkeys like modern guys
YES ONLY SPECULATION,,,but he dieted like a spartan ate nothing so if he used 'thyroid meds'speculation and said before he did,at least anabolics mentioned here and elsewhere ,its amazing what he weighed considering his diet'extreme'he held on to decent muscle for the,again no drugs he would be a scarecrow...
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Dorian deserved to win on haircut alone.
based on being white alone too
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Lee Haney
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Lee Haney
8 Olympia to three plus a much tougher lineup to beat.
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The only Olympian I have met and talk to in person
by far the nicest and most humble pro bodybuilder as well
WooooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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Rarely a negative thing said of him. Had a great career, walked away healthy with a great family and money.
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Rarely a negative thing said of him. Had a great career, walked away healthy with a great family and money.
He seems balanced
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8 Olympia to three plus a much tougher lineup to beat.
Yes he was a deserving Champion & i think his old ex training partner should´ve won a Mr O too. Rich Gaspari who was ripped to the bone.
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Yes he was a deserving Champion & i think his old ex training partner should´ve won a Mr O too. Rich Gaspari who was ripped to the bone.
Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
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Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
can you be more specific.
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can you be more specific.
He had narrow shoulders and thick waist, but he had a good chest awesome legs decent back, but didn’t have a taper anywhere close to my Mike Christian Or haneyor Labrada.
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Gasparri was very good. Those three years he was runner-up to Haney and yes, rip to the bone some years he came in a little bigger problem is a structurally. He wasn’t on any level of Haney, or even some of the other guys in the top five his condition kept him at second place but now he should’ve never been Mr. Olympia.
Yep, his structure was his only weakness.
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He had narrow shoulders and thick waist, but he had a good chest awesome legs decent back, but didn’t have a taper anywhere close to my Mike Christian Or haneyor Labrada.
Right ..Gotcha