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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: hillbilly on February 21, 2006, 04:02:57 PM
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(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/mm25.jpg)
Crazy triceps! who says cigs dont help ya get ripped :)
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Look how much bigger Mikes arms are compared to Casey, even as Casey is holding tight and pressing them against his body.
Mike laughs at this attempt.
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer/k88.jpg)
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Mentzer's "Muscle Lemonade" would have been a terrific product.
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Look how much bigger Mikes arms are compared to Casey, even as Casey is holding tight and pressing them against his body.
Mike laughs at this attempt.
na he's looking at the guy in the corner who has just started his 3rd set of barbell rows!
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Mike knew better than to neglect forearms training
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/k83.jpg)
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Here's getbigger mesmorph78 up against Mentzer
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/preacher2004.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m4.jpg)
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My favorite pic of my all-time favorite bodybuilder.
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why?
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My favorite pic of my all-time favorite bodybuilder.
Thats a bad pic of mike! He looks like a gay porn star in that pic! is that y u like it? :-*
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Thats a bad pic of mike! He looks like a gay porn star in that pic! is that y u like it? :-*
Unfortunately, I can't find the pic where he does a money shot all over your face.
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Unfortunately, I can't find the pic where he does a money shot all over your face.
yeah i love that one! u put down the camera half way though and lick it off!
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did they have pro-tan back then?
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did they have pro-tan back then?
Alexxx its a black and white pic and besides hes not on stage! and no i dont think they did
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http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer.html
The best set of pix of Mike online right now.
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A wise man once said..... "Mike your mouth is almost as big as your stomach...."
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Mentzer!!
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Mentzer!!
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The bottom pic is 80s bodybuilder Ali Malla not Mentzer .
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Mike & Ray
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I seem to recall a "Mike Mentzer in Glasses" thread about 8 months back, which was about the sweetest thread ever posted on Getbig.
"Weight of glasses not included", I'm still rolling at that one.
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he looks like a child
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Not many pros of today have claves like these
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I seem to recall a "Mike Mentzer in Glasses" thread about 8 months back, which was about the sweetest thread ever posted on Getbig.
"Weight of glasses not included", I'm still rolling at that one.
Yup that was my thread :)
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Mike & Ray
two seriously jacked 80s pornstars
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did they have pro-tan back then?
No we didn't. We'd put brown shoe polish in our posing oil! ;)
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classic
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Mikes body is very very nice. I actually like it allot better than the guys of today who took it overboard.
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I don't like it at all.. you can see he's got bad genetics.. He is all blocky and his chest is the same size as his abs! Onlyme has another crappy shaped body but what can these dwarves do? They did what they could so i give them props on getting some decent size.
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I don't like it at all.. you can see he's got bad genetics.. He is all blocky and his chest is the same size as his abs! Onlyme has another crappy shaped body but what can these dwarves do? They did what they could so i give them props on getting some decent size.
There is a slight problem with calling onlyme a dwarf.
Sadly, he's 6'1'', and far from qualifying from midget status. Which is too bad, since short people tend to be quite funny and jolly.
YIP
Zack
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There is a slight problem with calling onlyme a dwarf.
Sadly, he's 6'1'', and far from qualifying from midget status. Which is too bad, since short people tend to be quite funny and jolly.
YIP
Zack
(http://allvintagestore.com/Toys%20Pics/Happy%20Dawrf%20plastic%20figure.jpg)
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Yea I'm far from midget status. I take shits the size of a dwarf. But they look allot like Alexxx. Alexxx I love your pics everyone found of you. You are a big guy. Give me your number so I can call yourmom to tell her what groceries to buy. You really need to get some nourishment.
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(http://allvintagestore.com/Toys%20Pics/Happy%20Dawrf%20plastic%20figure.jpg)
What?
(http://www.skippypodar.net/WebGallery/Miscellaneous/leepriestintheoffseason.jpg)
YIP
Zack
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what is lee eating in that pic? looks like feces!
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what is lee eating in that pic? looks like feces!
Feces? LMFAO.
It's KFC wings or something like that (not an expert myself on the KFC menu).
YIP
Zack
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you can see he's got bad genetics..
Your a fucking moron. You are saying things just to get attention you troll.
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Yea I'm far from midget status. I take shits the size of a dwarf. But they look allot like Alexxx. Alexxx I love your pics everyone found of you. You are a big guy. Give me your number so I can call yourmom to tell her what groceries to buy. You really need to get some nourishment.
Keith, don't mind that Alexxx guy. Any guy who spells his name that way has to be gay.
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onlyme call me a pervert lol but u popped into my mind.
roughly at ages 20-25-30 can u give ur best lifts in bench especially but also other exercies. i know u cud always bench 2x ur weight, well after years training. just curious.
also at 300lb at 6'1 how lean were u, i doubt ripped but i aint seen a pic of u fat ever.
thanks
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Wo mike hs serious stretch marks in that pic!
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Its easy to bounce off the weight when you weight as much as a wale and have 50 % bodyfat... so don't expect Kieth to have any clue as to the body your are mentioning Goudy.
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This is my favorite pic of Mike....
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the guy in the background looks huge. Is that bill grant?
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You know I like to post pics when I was in shape. I will be back there too. At 300 I had just smigen over a 37" waist. I fit into 36" Calvin and Cavericchis(?) which were my favorite pants. I didn't have a 6 pack but at one time I did have a 4 pack. I didn't diet that much either though. I just trained harder.
I weigh exactly 300 in thse pics. In fact I for some reason could not lose or gain weight for the longest time. I was stuck at 300 to 303 or so. Just before I got bit I weighed 298. I did the 585 at 290 I was 26 years old. IN 1980 at the Original World Gym I weighed 247 and benched 500 with Joe Gold standing right over me. In 1995 I inclined the highest I ever did and that 505 when I trained with Joe Onasia, Tony Leiato, Francis Silva, Tony Harris and some other super strong guys in Hawaii. I took testerone 200mg cypionate in 1986 for about 6 months up to the Worlds. That's it. I didn't need anything else. I have not touched anything since. When I first started training seriously in 1979 I did try Dianabol and a little Winstrol. But that only lasted a few months. SO in 1995 I was as strong as I was almost 10 years earlier on stuff. 1998 was my last good year.
I started back training when I moved to Vegas after the bite. I was getting some strength back. I did get my BNP back to 315 and bench back to 405 for 6. Then I moved back to Hawaii in 2002. My leg acted up allot and I had a business so gym time was lacking. I am back in the gym and I told my training partner now that we will be doing 405 for a few by the end of next month. So hopefully I will be back on track. I feel good now. I have no problem with Chic or anyone else calling me fat now. I am. But I am getting my upper body back pretty quickly. The cardio will be upped and I should be okay. I am planningon going to the Olympia this year. I won't be 100% back I don't think but I will be a whole better and not to far off.
Oh and Ray Mentzer was my training partner in 1985 to 1986.
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"Alexxx" is just angry because he failed to bench 225 the other day.
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Onlyme let me know if you need some training advice.. I will be glad to help a baboon out any day.. but you gonna have to do me a favor.. and shit on those loser on the y board!
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Onlyme let me know if you need some training advice.. I will be glad to help a baboon out any day.. but you gonna have to do me a favor.. and shit on those loser on the y board!
alexxx in another thread I called you a pussy now I'm pretty sure you're just a dumb pussy.....
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Training pic. The man just had no weak bodyparts.
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Mike Mentzer and the Robby Robinson were my first inspirations as a teenager. I admired Mikes strength/power and by doing a modified version of HIT, I became one of the strongest guys at my gym. I was ONLY 17, NO gear and out lifting grown men who had been training for years. Mentzer was definitely an influence on how I approached training.
RIP Mike :'(
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I'm asking because he never really looked that big to me, just wondering.
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I'm asking because he never really looked that big to me, just wondering.
I should upload some screencaps from his posing DVD. I will put that on my to-do list. He looked awesome. 5'8 and around 200 I believe.
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Mentzer had a small window when he was one of the best physiques around. He really should have returned in 81 and earned #1 or 2 at the O. :-\
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onlyme probably did, he used to train with Mike's brother Ray.
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Mentzer had a small window when he was one of the best physiques around. He really should have returned in 81 and earned #1 or 2 at the O. :-\
Hard to say. 1981 was definitely the year for Tom Platz. But Mentzer would have been up there and may have won it.
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Mentzner was atop the bodybuilding world the weeks before the Sydney Olympia, then Arnold stepped off the plane and thus the biggest BB meltdown in history would shortly thereafter ensue....
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I'm asking because he never really looked that big to me, just wondering.
Yes. He and Ray used to train with Denny Malloy (now deceased) at Gold's on 2nd street when I first moved to L.A. in the summer of 1980. I often saw them training. The summer of 1981, after Gold moved to it’s current location in Venice, I trained with Samir Bannout and Mike was still training very seriously with Ray and their training partner Jerry McCall. I also saw then training during most of that summer and got to train with them on three occasions when Jerry was traveling. They were very strong (especially Ray) and did more work sets that they preached.
The gym was packed with guys training for the California, the America and the Olympia. It wasn’t uncommon to see Platz, Samir, Ray, Mike, Casey Viator, Robert Jodkiewicz, Mike Christian, Charles Glass, Pat Hayes, Chris Dickerson and others training at any given time.
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I saw the late great in Mentzer the lobby of the Beacon right before the pre judging of the very first Night Of The Champions. Mike was one of my heros back then so but I couldn't work up the courage to say anything to him. He had a red warm up suit on and HUGE delts, that were apparent even while he was covered up. What struck me (I was was 18 and 6ft tall) was how short ALL of the competitors were.
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Actually..... to me Gustavo Badell's physique reminds a lot of Mentzer's. They've got a lot of the same structure, except of course Badell is a lot bigger.
Mentzer was big and thick for his time but in my opinion lacked a lot of the details that some of his competitors had.
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Max is right about it not being uncommon back in the early to mid 80's to see allot of the top pros training at one time. Every guy you saw in the magazines was training either at Gold's or World's or both. I trained in the morning back then cause my training partner then could only train then. I lived in Manhattan Beach and drove all the way to Santa Monica to be there by 8am. It was a mightmare most of the time. When you live in LA you look for and try every possible shortcut possible to get to where you are going. I took backstreets, alleys and every which way to get there in the shortest amount of time so I could try to sleep in longer. But there are none. The traffic was just horrible. My mom used to do it everyday. Her office was in downtown on the 66th floor of the UCB Building which to this day is still the tallest building in LA. Not sure what's it called today.
But it was worth the drive to train in the morning with these guys. Allot of movie stars too. But the only one who I remember the name is Brad Harris. I'll never forget the day I was walking up the stairs and looked up and Sergio was standing their talking to Eddie G. in a suit. Man he looked cool.
Oh and about Mentzer (Mike) I never saw him in shape. I didn't even meet him through Ray. I met him one day when I was going to Gold's back in the early 90's to see Pete. He was in the front lobby. Just said Hi and that's about it. I'm not sure the last year Ray competed. But, I was training with him going to his gym in 85' and 86'. Muscle Mill was a great gym. Small in comparison to most gyms though but had everything you needed. I think an old frined who was a fireman bought it from Ray.
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SWOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've got a couple of books about Mike that have come out in the past couple of years by john little. Mike seemed to me to have amazing potential to build quality muscle..I remember in the book "Beef It" robert kennedy is talking about different body types, he does arnold, zane, tony pearson and mike. Mike got the highest rating in the mesmorph category. I'd love to have access to all of that old natilus stuff just to try some of the stuff that he used to do out. I've tried the lat pulldown machine out and it's awsome..if you ever get a chance to try that machine out do it, it takes your hands out of the movement so you don't have to worry about gripping the bar.
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Huge and solid as a rock.. especially considering this was in the pre-GH/Insulin days
(Danny, of course, is bad-ass as well)
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Mentzer? No chest. Big stomach.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/IpreferKeaton/Nay.jpg)
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Mentzer? No chest. Big stomach.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/IpreferKeaton/Nay.jpg)
Gotta disagree with ya on that.. No denying he was insane though.
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I hope they were not sleeping in that bed together in the above pic
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Is Mentzer cleaning his Glasses in that Pic?
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great triceps...
prefer his shape over arnolds...
(http://www.giantpt.com/Training/Afbeeldingen/MikeMentzer.jpg)
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/ment10.jpg)
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Always considered Robinson & Fox like Mentzer, but better. Robby's density in particular blew away Mike, who lacked detail, possibly because of his HIT training. Szkalak & Padilla comparable too, but Mike was up there & received tremendous hype, in part because of his innovative training and in part the fact that he was one of the better white bodybuilders then.
Mentzer, Robinson, Padilla & Szkalak all left the IFBB quickly because of politics. If Weider had been fairer and allowed these guys to win as they deserved, the early 80s competitive scene would've been a lot more interesting.
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I trained in the same gym as Mike and Ray Mentzer in the early 1970's, Spartan Health Club in Maryland. And again later a few times at Olympian Gym in Tysons Corner, Virginia. Mike also worked part time with Dr. John Ziegler in Olney, Maryland where I lived at the time. Dr. Zielger was the U.S. Olympic Weightlifting Team Coach and pioneered the use of anabolic steroids, specifically Dianabol, in the late 1950's. He also invented the electronic muscle stimulation machines for use by paraplegics. Mike was kind of a physical therapist assistant or something. In the gym, his calves always looked amazing; so big they made his quads look small.
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I hope they were not sleeping in that bed together in the above pic
Haha.
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http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/76.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/85.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/95.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/112.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/124.JPG)
Matt,
I don't think the first four pics are Mike's. He didn't have prominent veins running straight down his upper arms. Could be Ray Mentzer though.
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Anybody know more of story of when Ray was seeing Rachel McClish and one day he exploded and picked her up over his head and was going to throw her out the 6th (I think) story window of a hotel or maybe apartment. Also, who knows about the bank robbery note
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Mentzer's twisting leaning-over triceps shot is still classic. Great shot!
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Matt,
I don't think the first four pics are Mike's. He didn't have prominent veins running straight down his upper arms. Could be Ray Mentzer though.
Ahh, drat. Just noticed that. And you're right, it was Ray with the prominent veins down his arms. They looked different facially but at times were easy to confuse.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/147.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/148.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/149.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym/150.JPG)
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What's the big deal with Mentzer anyway? Because of his retarded HIT training? He had no chest, 0 back thickness, minimal lats, horrible hair style... I'll give him credit for his arms, they were pretty good, so I guess HIT will develop the arms but nothing else. He always looks angry in almost every picture I've ever seen him in... Probably from having a grossly overtrained CNS.
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Funny how the google comments are always full of homos.
I wonder what Mike would look like skimpy posing briefs worn today. It looks like he is well endowed. To bad Mike passed away a few years ago.[quote/]
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What's the big deal with Mentzer anyway? Because of his retarded HIT training? He had no chest, 0 back thickness, minimal lats, horrible hair style... I'll give him credit for his arms, they were pretty good, so I guess HIT will develop the arms but nothing else. He always looks angry in almost every picture I've ever seen him in... Probably from having a grossly overtrained CNS.
HAHAHAhaha how true. IT's funny how Mentzer was considered blocky and thick waisted, but his waist is tighter than almost all of today's gut-builders.
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Your theory only has one flaw: Dorian did HIT (old school HIT, not Mentzer 1993+) and had NO arms. But he did have GREAT LATS, A THICK CHEST and everything else that you just pointed out Mike does´nt have.
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Your theory only has one flaw: Dorian did HIT (old school HIT, not Mentzer 1993+) and had NO arms. But he did have GREAT LATS, A THICK CHEST and everything else that you just pointed out Mike does´nt have.
That's because genetics determines how you look, not the way you train. People also attribute Dorian's grainyness to HIT training, which is ludicrous
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HAHAHAhaha how true. IT's funny how Mentzer was considered blocky and thick waisted, but his waist is tighter than almost all of today's gut-builders.
He did have unusually wide hips for a guy of his stature. Sure his waist was tight in that clip, but in the 80' Mr olympia his guy was pretty bloated for the standards they had back then.
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Your theory only has one flaw: Dorian did HIT (old school HIT, not Mentzer 1993+) and had NO arms. But he did have GREAT LATS, A THICK CHEST and everything else that you just pointed out Mike does´nt have.
No it doesn't. Because Dorian didn't do HIT, he did his own modified version that included many more exercises and sets per bodypart than Mentzer ever prescribed.
Mentzer's only back exercise was the undergrip pulldown and maybe deadlifts here and there. This explains the comeplete lack of back thickness you see in the clip. There are abercrombie models with more definition and cuts in their backs. For chest all he did was incline press, and pec-deck flyes, thus he had very little overall chest thickness as a result. Dorian did atleast 4 exercises for chest, and 5 or 6 for back in any given workout which is why he carried the giant chest/back thickness he had.
Dorian did undergrip barbell rows, machine rows, undergrip pulldowns, 1 arm cable rows, then deadlifts in the same workout... Obiviously the guy knew exactly what he was doing when he built that monolithic back. Mentzer just said "Oh gee this one exercise hits my whole back, if I do more I'll over-twane!"
So the moral is that Dorian crafted Mentzer's HIT into a real muscle building routine that built something that regular HIT could never do. Mentzer with his superior genetics sadly only got the size he did because HIT will only take you so far with mass despite the tremendous strength you acquire on the few exercises you do. I think Dorian's chest after 2 years of training was thicker than Mentzer's ever was.
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Totally shit and on P2P for 8 years ::) ::)
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I think he was an alltime great myself.
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Totally shit and on P2P for 8 years ::) ::)
It was home moved filmed in 1978. What do you expect? ::)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3WECqVEU0&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3WECqVEU0&mode=related&search=)
POWERFUL physique and his training had a big impact on me. Gone way too soon :'(
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If any of you want the original (higher resolution) version of that video send me a private message; I'm going to be deleting some of my collected video clips soon.
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cool clip,thanks
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Mike Mentzer was a very sick man mentally, physically and spiritually. He is alleged to have been lovers with his brother Ray, who committed suicide days after Mike's death. The brothers were as creepy as they come.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3WECqVEU0&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB3WECqVEU0&mode=related&search=)
POWERFUL physique and his training had a big impact on me. Gone way too soon :'(
Yeah but it wasn't practical strengh.
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What?? Speak on this.
Hey, do you look like Tom Cruise on GH?
Matt some serious stuff bro, the suggestions i made for probb.com hasnt been looked into at all? Let me help you and get it back on its feet bro its D-E-A-D in there.
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tremendous physique - needed ALOT more thickness to his back though (at least by today's standards)
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Mike Mentzer was a very sick man mentally, physically and spiritually.
Yes Mike had problems. No argument there. I knoew him and witnessed this.
He is alleged to have been lovers with his brother Ray, who committed suicide days after Mike's death.
These statement is about as unfounded as they come. Alleged to be lovers by who? Some internet genius?
The Los Angeles County Coroner found no evidence of suicide although they did investigate it as such. Ray was distraught over Mike’s passing and missed his dialysis. Was it on purpose? Who knows. Don't speak like you have FACTS when all you have is hearsay.
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The stupid rumors about Ray & Mike are just that, stupid. Just the sort of junk one would expect to read on this board.
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Mike Mentzer was a very sick man mentally, physically and spiritually. He is alleged to have been lovers with his brother Ray, who committed suicide days after Mike's death. The brothers were as creepy as they come.
Mafia members PM me for more on this. :-[
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In this thread we will discuss the moustasche of Mike Mentzer, questions like "did he always have a moustasche?" "did his moustasche change form during over the years?" and many others will be appropriate to post here.
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Very thick moustache of Mike, as thick as Super Mario:
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However, here it's NOTICEABLY thinner
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Fantastic photo of Mike, I don't think I've ever seen his moustache be this thick, and he also wears a pair of stylish glasses.
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What is this thread?
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The shape and form of the moustache just looks different on this picture:
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Has anyone seen a photo of Mike where he doesn't have a moustache ???
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Mike looks absolutely baddass in this photo. I love how the reflections in the glasses.
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Fantastic photo of Mike with Casey Viator, who too has a moustache! True rebels of the sport.
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I hope that one day this thread will be bigger than the Hulkster truce-thread!
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I hope that one day this thread will be bigger than the Hulkster truce-thread!
I'll do my part. I don't understand the Hulkster truce thread. :(
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Why aren't we discussing the vastly more important subject of Ed Corney's mustache?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/corney/cor74.jpg)
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At my tender age I'm not able to grow the required volume of facial hair which is so crucial in the art that is the sculpting of facial fur. However, once the day comes, I shall grow a moustache, one so rugged and manly as that of Mentzer himself. In his memory. And I know he would be proud.
Great thread!
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Clean shaven teen!
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Impressive!!
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One of the greats
(http://www.nazis.de/inidia/hitler_portrait.jpg)
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None of them got shit on General Lee Wallace.
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Well, if we're not going to treat this subject with the gravity it deserves... fine. Friedrich Nietzsche.
(http://www.willisms.com/archives/nietzsche.jpg)
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Mr Nietzsche needs to bow down to this masterpiece...
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There are some fantastic mustaches in this thread! True legends! How about Frank Zappa!!
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No discussion about the mustache would be complete without bringing up Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot. This is the form all great mustache men should aspire to.
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What is this thread?
I was thinking the same thing bro. Bluto, bro this is thread seems a little fruity lol
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Flex should run a training article on Mentzer's moustache, for those trying to equal his development in that area.
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Flex should run a training article on Mentzer's moustache, for those trying to equal his development in that area.
dude, to obtain a moustache like that, all one needs to do is follor the 'weider facial hair growth principle'. it's not hard at all and its even easier if you add in some 'Hairkic' to your supplement program. 'Hairkic' is a revolutionary dormanmt hair folicle gene activator!!!!
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No Joe Weider pics? >:( Lets go people.
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I think this thread has been done before
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i'm waiting for someone to say 'all drugs' or 'that moustache is full of oil'
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(http://www.bradman.org.au/files/6SQ6MQAITV/Merv-Hughes-sunglasses.jpg)
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Some good moustasches in this thread, no doubt - what can be more masculine than a moustasche? I wish it was MANDATORY for competiting in bodybuilding!
No 'stasche? No cash. You simply can't expect to place without one.
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Some good moustasches in this thread, no doubt - what can be more masculine than a moustasche? I wish it was MANDATORY for competiting in bodybuilding!
No 'stasche? No cash. You simply can't expect to place without one.
translation:getting fucked by a guy with a moustache is ultimate fun
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Well, if we're not going to treat this subject with the gravity it deserves... fine. Friedrich Nietzsche.
(http://www.willisms.com/archives/nietzsche.jpg)
Ah yes, but was Nietzsche really just merely being exetensualist in the postmodern world and perhap he considered it was he, who had grown from the moustache? or perhaps the moustache was so arge because it chose to be and it did so of it's own free will?
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(http://www.bradman.org.au/files/6SQ6MQAITV/Merv-Hughes-sunglasses.jpg)
big merv fuckn hughes. oi!
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I have this video.
It's pretty decent. Mentzer explains things well and is a good teacher. Markus Reinhardt kind of spruces up the drama a little bit, though.
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Good find Bluto......
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drama queen
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lol i love it when the guy goes 'i hate u! i hate u' after the leg presses....i think he really means it lol
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Mike sounds loonier than he comes off on paper. Like a rambling lunatic.
The training style he is promoting there, is "candy ass" compared to what he talks about in articles.
I guess he stuck with what he did best, though, meth..... :-X
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
thats what i was thinking, had been smoking shit????
brutal weight aswerll lol.
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mentzer looks like a pedophile
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mentzer looks like a pedophile
you would know :-X
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you would know :-X
yeah....
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spot_the_pedo
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Two things:
Did he have a stroke before this?
Notice how he hates EZ bar curls but Dorian loved them.
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Two things:
Did he have a stroke before this?
Notice how he hates EZ bar curls but Dorian loved them.
maybe if he did ez bar curls, he would have won an olympia. ::)
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
I love when he says "That's four and a half !!" on the positive movement, like the guy did it wrong.
Also saying to never use an EZ curl bar, because it works the Brachialis. Yeah, no shit, that's why I use it. Last time I checked that was part of your arm too.
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He had some serious medical probs by then, as you can hear.
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groink... ur signature 'GO GET UR FUCKING SHINE BOX' is awesome lol BILLY BATTS!
in regards to mike mentzer- maybe he believe doing hammer curls to work the brachialis is best. and doing str8 bar is best to focus on pure biceps stimulation
ps - is the avatar a pic of u? if that is u...ur arms are friggin massive.
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the way you read, you'd think his methods are vessel-bursting intense and use bone-crushing poundages. i'm sure that gets you a hell of a burn or something, but it doesn't change the fact that the tension being put on the muscle is laughably low.
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personally.... the way that training looked...i would not enjoy it.
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the way you read, you'd think his methods are vessel-bursting intense and use bone-crushing poundages. i'm sure that gets you a hell of a burn or something, but it doesn't change the fact that the tension being put on the muscle is laughably low.
That clip is misleading, isn't representative of the usual higher HIT intensity.
personally.... the way that training looked...i would not enjoy it.
That's the biggest issue, not whether it might work for some. And that wasn't even full-out HIT intensity.
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thats rite...when i go to the gym i want to lift normally not too slow.
i think the 'intensity' and good form elements are the best...and less volume but more intense sets and reps are the great concepts which i use... but super slow reps are just not for me (once in a while is cool but not EVERY time)
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Also saying to never use an EZ curl bar, because it works the Brachialis. Yeah, no shit, that's why I use it. Last time I checked that was part of your arm too.
classic GROINK!
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He died that night after that video was filmed.
"Q. Do you know anything about "Mike Mentzer's HIT Exercise Video"?
A. On Saturday June 9th we finished filming "Mike Mentzer's HIT Exercise Video". Tragically, a few hours later Mike passed away in his sleep."
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/valinter.htm (http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/valinter.htm)
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
doesn't look like a lot of weight for a guy with decent arms
IMHO
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
your right he did sound drunk, or maybe he had a stroke at one time. I think it is more common amoungst bodybuilders than people are willing to admit.
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I love the part where Mike tells the guy. I paraphrase "Pretend that your favorite girl is standing in front you? wouldn't you give it all that you got"
ultimate motivator: Mike Mentzer
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hahahahahaha, man that clip is proof of the fact that Arnold really did a number on Mike's head in 1980, he never recovered psychologically.
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if you didn't knew any better you would probably think he's retarted.
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good clip kinda funny
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hahahahahaha, man that clip is proof of the fact that Arnold really did a number on Mike's head in 1980, he never recovered psychologically.
yea, it must have just killed him to still be in a fk*in gym talking about bicep curls while Arnold moved on years ago. Must be hard for a lot of the old timers to reconcile with that. It so out of proportion.
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yea, it must have just killed him to still be in a fk*in gym talking about bicep curls while Arnold moved on years ago. Must be hard for a lot of the old timers to reconcile with that. It so out of proportion.
hahahaha, exactly, Boyer Coe is the perfect example of this phenomenon, still juicing and wearing a toupee at age 64.
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groink... ur signature 'GO GET UR FUCKING SHINE BOX' is awesome lol BILLY BATTS!
in regards to mike mentzer- maybe he believe doing hammer curls to work the brachialis is best. and doing str8 bar is best to focus on pure biceps stimulation
ps - is the avatar a pic of u? if that is u...ur arms are friggin massive.
Thanks dude.
That would make sense. It's actually sad to see how shot Mentzer was at that point.
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Mentzer looked fucked in this clip..... Meth is a hell of a drug
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common guys give him a break. Mike was sick there. He died just after shooting that video.
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I think its a good technique to do every once in a while to "shock" some new growth into your muscles.
But then I think all the "niche" techniques can be useful. High reps, low reps, high volume, power moves, partials, super slow, training same parts over multiple days, taking a week off to recover and rebuild...its seems to me that given a healthy diet, everything should give you some results.
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I thought it was GHB? He's cooked for sure either way in those clips though. Its a shame, but he is still one of my all time favorites....physique-wise.
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Mentzer looked fucked in this clip..... Meth is a hell of a drug
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Discuss.
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ummm...yes he was. Good Discussion ;)
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Indeed!
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his books are a great read. I'd love to read stuff from Arthur Jones as well.
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ummm...yes he was. Good Discussion ;)
YEah if i could look like any ironage guy it would be like Mike Arnold or Serge...
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I see we see eye to eye on things here fellas, Let's keep this great debate going - Mike Mentzer, what can you say that haven't allready be said, by the man known as, Mike Mentzer?
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Fuck all the muscles and dementia. His mustache is legendary
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his books are a great read. I'd love to read stuff from Arthur Jones as well.
According to The New High Intensity Training: The Best Muscle-Building System You've Never Tried by Ellington Darden, Mike thought Arthur was God.
Literally.
And that he, Mike, was his son.
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Don't believe me?
1. Go to the Amazon.com reader for the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1594860009/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-1428190-6183657#reader-link
2. In the field under the pull-down menu where it says "Search inside this book", enter...
God
3. Click the Go button.
4. Click the "on page 75" link that comes up as a match.
5. Read the paragraph at the top of the column on the right side of the page - where the word "God" is highlighted twice.
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I wished that he lived to see the Internet !!!!
Imagine how easy a meltdown ole' Mike would of been ? hahahahahahaha
Somebody dig this speed freak's bones up and revive the nutcase hahaha
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Great Rugged looking physique.Awesome Forearms too !
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I wished that he lived to see the Internet !!!!
Imagine how easy a meltdown ole' Mike would of been ? hahahahahahaha
Somebody dig this speed freak's bones up and revive the nutcase hahaha
Haha that would be classic!
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According to The New High Intensity Training: The Best Muscle-Building System You've Never Tried by Ellington Darden, Mike thought Arthur was God.
Literally.
And that he, Mike, was his son.
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Don't believe me?
1. Go to the Amazon.com reader for the book here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1594860009/ref=sib_dp_pt/105-1428190-6183657#reader-link
2. In the field under the pull-down menu where it says "Search inside this book", enter...
God
3. Click the Go button.
4. Click the "on page 75" link that comes up as a match.
5. Read the paragraph at the top of the column on the right side of the page - where the word "God" is highlighted twice.
Goddamn. What a poor bastard. I've read stories of him being crazy but they didn't come from reputable sources but this is different. Wow, I can hardly believe it! I can see now why HIT didn't work for me. DAMN!
I wonder what a psychological analysis of Mike Mentzer would reveal. Perhaps he was indeed completely out of his fucking mind.
But still, what a writer he was! His books were amazing and nothing yet has ever motivated me as much as his books had!
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ummm...yes he was. Good Discussion ;)
Yeah, like he said. Mods please close the thread..
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Yeah, like he said. Mods please close the thread..
Bluto, would you be willing to change the thread title to "Mike Mentzer thought he was the Son of God" ?
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Bluto, would you be willing to change the thread title to "Mike Mentzer thought he was the Son of God" ?
Yes.
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well truthfully none of you can prove he wasn't. What proof do you have that Jesus was?
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yes, excellent facial hair
He should have won Mr Olympia on that alone
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All I know is that Mentzer later on in life was a big fan of Ayn Rand, and an objectivist, thus an atheist.
-Hedge
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So did Jesus
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I'm God's uncle. uncle c-bass-nigster
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It's blasphamy........he's in hell as we speak!
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Mike was a good writter and in depth thinker with some great ideas , etc. It is sad he wrestled with the demons of personal depression. I for one miss having the guy around.
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This is a repost-----http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mentzer
Following the loss at the 1980 Mr. Olympia, Mentzer reportedly ran into numerous problems. In the late 1970's Mike is was reported to have begun using amphetamines, claiming he only took them as an ergogenic aid to help facilitate a hectic lifestyle. Mentzer left his position at Weider Publications shortly after his loss at the Mr. Olympia contest, and suffered financially as a result. He did land a job in 1985 as editor of the newly launched Workout Magazine, however when that failed and that same year his father died, Mentzer reportedly suffered a mental breakdown.
According to Peter McGough, editor-in-chief of FLEX Magazine, stories began to surface of Menzter exhibiting some very erratic behaviour. Stories of him running naked through the streets, directing traffic, telling prophecies about the end of the world, being arrested by the police numerous times and even waiting for aliens to land were all published in magazines at one point or another. Popular bodybuilding writer Dan Duchaine even suggested that Menzter was drinking his own urine at the time. Mike denied this in a 2001 interview with Iron Man magazine. Nonetheless, according to McGough some of these stories are true.[1] Menzter was also regularly institutionalized between 1985 up until 1990, when he finally kicked his amphetamine habit. Drug free, Mike returned to training bodybuilders and writing for Ironman Magazine, and spent much of the 1990s regaining his stature in the bodybuilding industry.
Mentzer died on June 9, 2001. He was found dead in his apartment by his younger brother and fellow bodybuilder Ray Mentzer due to heart complications. Mentzer was reportedly a heavy user of methamphetamine for about a decade, and this was thought of as a contributing factor in his death. Two days later, his brother Ray also died in his sleep after complications from his long term battle with Berger's disease.
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if you would have ever read the bible, God says that we're all his sons.
I think he was trying to say he was Jesus ::).....and it's 'all of God's children"
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So did Jesus
Jesus was, and IS, the Son Of God.
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if you would have ever read the bible, God says that we're all his sons.
No He does not, ye liar.
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Its a well known fact that Mike didnt believe in any higher powers. Mike= Godless
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Jesus was, and IS, the Son Of God.
Word.
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The Word of God = FAITHFUL AND TRUE.
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Discuss.
aren't we all children of god?
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The Word of God = FAITHFUL AND TRUE.
Yes!
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Jesus was, and IS, the Son Of God.
prove it.
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It's blasphamy........he's in hell as we speak!
tch tch so judgemental.. didn't God create doubt and introspection, relfection, science and atheism?
What is your opinion of sorcery?, According to the bible all bodybuilders are going to Hell, What do you think?
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tch tch so judgemental.. didn't God create doubt and introspection, relfection, science and atheism?
What is your opinion of sorcery?, According to the bible all bodybuilders are going to Hell, What do you think?
No, but it does say that Homosexuality is disgusting.
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It also says to stone to death anyone that works on Sundays. That women are property and should be put to death for looking at another man, and genocide is OK as long as it is done in the name of GOD. And oh yea, killing innocent bystanders with thunder bolts is A OK too.
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'we are all god's children' is an indisputable fact according to the bible ie mentzer was indeed the son of god...
AND HE DIED FOR YOU UNGREATFUL BITCHES!!!
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Jesus is "God the Son"
Jehovah is "God the Father"
Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of God"
all are ONE
Mike Mentzer was created in God's image. If he, in his final moments, gave accepted Jesus as his savior, Mike became a new creation....and a son of God. . .an heir to the Kingdom of God.
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I thought Mike was an atheist...
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Jesus broke lots of rules while he was alive, He liked people who think for themselves, Im sure he liked atheists. They are gods children as well, questioning, seeking, and never giving up on the truth, never falling for myth or being comforted by lies.
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I think he was trying to say he was Jesus ::).....and it's 'all of God's children"
Children are all either sons or daughters.
It would make no sense for him to imply to be Jesus.
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No He does not, ye liar.
FU,CK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jesus was, and IS, the Son Of God.
So the storygoes. ;)
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Was he "on" to something, or a nut, or just missunderstood?
Discuss.
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The fact that his HIT routine is being widely used with people seeing results says that he was onto something.
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as sane as a cookoo.
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The fact that his HIT routine is being widely used with people seeing results says that he was onto something.
Okay...but Is it being used the way HE was teaching it?? I'll bet my last dollar that there isn't ONE person on this board who will believe that they'll get a big back or chest doing 2 or 3 movements - 2 sets a piece ...and then getting out of the gym in 20 minutes. I've heard Mentzer's tapes and that's what he was trying to teach.
I've tried it .....never got a pump...never grew......it just didn't work for me.
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Okay...but Is it being used the way HE was teaching it?? I'll bet my last dollar that there isn't ONE person on this board who will believe that they'll get a big back or chest doing 2 or 3 movements - 2 sets a piece ...and then getting out of the gym in 20 minutes. I've heard Mentzer's tapes and that's what he was trying to teach.
I've tried it .....never got a pump...never grew......it just didn't work for me.
A member here called figgs did it basically to the book and grew, but his strength weakened. So he didn't get the results HE wanted, but I would call that successful.
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A member here called figgs did it basically to the book and grew, but his strength weakened. So he didn't get the results HE wanted, but I would call that successful.
Great for him....but you know the old deal....what works for one person may not work for another.
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Great for him....but you know the old deal....what works for one person may not work for another.
True. Nothing's 100% guaranteed. I'm sure you could make up a program in 5 seconds and send it off to 5 people, and at least 1 will report results. Just saying that Mentzer's did work for him and others seem to like it alot.
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the problem with MM's whole style of training is not that it was wrong. it's that other peope-no offense to anyone-couldn't pull it off on a consistant enough basis to see gains. It's awful hard to wrap your mind around going in there and totally destroying a muscle in 1 or 2 sets and walking out. You might think you did it but chances are you didn't do it or take it as far as Mike would have had you do it. It's like when people read the leg training routine that viator did at the colorado experiment and say "that doesn't look that hard"...they just don't get it.
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haha menzter was fucked up in the head since childhood.
he could have been better than he was, but he was mentally flawed.
he overcomplicated bodybuilding.
he was a very good bodybuilder.
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the problem with MM's whole style of training is not that it was wrong. it's that other peope-no offense to anyone-couldn't pull it off on a consistant enough basis to see gains. It's awful hard to wrap your mind around going in there and totally destroying a muscle in 1 or 2 sets and walking out. You might think you did it but chances are you didn't do it or take it as far as Mike would have had you do it. It's like when people read the leg training routine that viator did at the colorado experiment and say "that doesn't look that hard"...they just don't get it.
Was Viator natural at some point? I could have sworn reading something about it.
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the problem with MM's whole style of training is not that it was wrong. it's that other peope-no offense to anyone-couldn't pull it off on a consistant enough basis to see gains. It's awful hard to wrap your mind around going in there and totally destroying a muscle in 1 or 2 sets and walking out. You might think you did it but chances are you didn't do it or take it as far as Mike would have had you do it. It's like when people read the leg training routine that viator did at the colorado experiment and say "that doesn't look that hard"...they just don't get it.
please tell about this experiment. im interested. thanks.
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Was Viator natural at some point? I could have sworn reading something about it.
he didnt compete for several years in the 70s....he competed in the early 70s...then didnt compete for several years..then he came back again in the late 70s and early 80s. viator was a big fan of quaalude, rumour says.
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Was Viator natural at some point? I could have sworn reading something about it.
they claimed he was...but c'mon now.
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Okay...but Is it being used the way HE was teaching it?? I'll bet my last dollar that there isn't ONE person on this board who will believe that they'll get a big back or chest doing 2 or 3 movements - 2 sets a piece ...and then getting out of the gym in 20 minutes. I've heard Mentzer's tapes and that's what he was trying to teach.
I've tried it .....never got a pump...never grew......it just didn't work for me.
WHAT ?! TWO SETS ?
Luckily for you mike isnt around anymore to read this! Damn man... two sets = major overtraining !!
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he didnt compete for several years in the 70s....he competed in the early 70s...then didnt compete for several years..then he came back again in the late 70s and early 80s. viator was a big fan of quaalude, rumour says.
Certainly looked like he could have been natty.
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please tell about this experiment. im interested. thanks.
http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=A81F596E8288156BF6CEBB5AC7DCC537.hydra?id=1006026
there's the leg routine.
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True. Nothing's 100% guaranteed. I'm sure you could make up a program in 5 seconds and send it off to 5 people, and at least 1 will report results. Just saying that Mentzer's did work for him and others seem to like it alot.
Oh...I totally agree. Hey...it worked for Yates! But see, the interesting thing with Yates is that he did 3-4 "warm" up sets and then one working - and he a called HIT.
To me, that's not HIT.
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Certainly looked like he could have been natty.
ohh no...i didnt mean like that. of course he was using steroids when he competed.
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ohh no...i didnt mean like that. of course he was using steroids when he competed.
In the one pic I saw of him on the magazine cover at the time, he did look natural. But I guess it's obvious he wasn't. Just haven't seen many pics of him competing.
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In the one pic I saw of him on the magazine cover at the time, he did look natural. But I guess it's obvious he wasn't. Just haven't seen many pics of him competing.
look, i can guarantee you he juiced for every major show he did. he didnt compete for several years in the mid 70s tho.
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look, i can guarantee you he juiced for every major show he did. he didnt compete for several years in the mid 70s tho.
That might have been when the magazine shot was taken. It was him outside in the 'bush' of sorts and hitting a front double bi tensing his abs.
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His philosophies I found were backwards, forwards, upside down, inside out consistent and very difficult to refute. I do not have the education to refute his principles and I would consider myself pretty educated. Mentzer was a very smart man. He was a follower of Ayn Rand's objectivism philosophy which I also find incredibly difficult to refute. The 1980 Mr. Olympia ruined Mentzer. He fell into a life of stress and drugs and never came out of it. :-\
not true. mentzer wasnt as smart as he thought he was. he over complicated bodybuilding. he twisted his own mind into knots.
he was an intelligent guy in many ways tho. he liked philosophy but he was mentally flawed and turned to drugs. a weak physche combined with drugs led to mentzers weird behaviour in the mid and late 80s.
also the mr olympia loss in 1980 shouldnt affect a normal person to such a degree as it did. of course he lost his bodybuilding magazine in 84 i think..which sent him over the edge,
he was mentally flawed from childhood.
HIT is shit. some say it works, of course it does as you are stimulating muscle fibers but..there are way better methods.
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HIT is shit. some say it works, of course it does as you are stimulating muscle fibers but..there are way better methods.
In your opinion. What's "way better" to one is crap to another. Just individual preference.
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Oh...I totally agree. Hey...it worked for Yates! But see, the interesting thing with Yates is that he did 3-4 "warm" up sets and then one working - and he a called HIT.
To me, that's not HIT.
Sure it is; no protocol including volume is defined by the warm up sets done first.
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In your opinion. What's "way better" to one is crap to another. Just individual preference.
no its not just my opinion
doing 1-2 sets per body part per week will put you in deconditioned state very fast. its not only bad for musclebuilding its also awful for functional capabilities.
also mentzer should have thought one step a head: "20sets to failure is too much. ok i do 1-2 sets to failure."
in reality something in the middle is better.
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FU,CK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is FU,CK? ::) Ahahaha, it must hurt knowing that you're heading to the pit of fire, now does it not? :'( But I say repent, since you still are a human being and Jesus Christ died for you. However, if you remain in your sins like the dog you presently are (for you are as an animal and canot stop sinning), then you shall be destroyed and thrown into Hellfire ye lying mongrel!
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Jesus broke lots of rules while he was alive, He liked people who think for themselves, Im sure he liked atheists. They are gods children as well, questioning, seeking, and never giving up on the truth, never falling for myth or being comforted by lies.
Get thee from this man Satan, ye liar! Everything here I quoted is a lie, except For Jesus breaking lots of rules...man's rules obviously yes since most men are ruled by sin but He never trangressed against the Lord's commandments...not once.
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It also says to stone to death anyone that works on Sundays. That women are property and should be put to death for looking at another man, and genocide is OK as long as it is done in the name of GOD. And oh yea, killing innocent bystanders with thunder bolts is A OK too.
;D ;D
Show me the verses...kid.
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So the storygoes. ;)
Not the story, little boy, but the facts. The only stories in fact are ironicaly your manifold lies on this board and in your avatar you mongrel....funny thing is that in your sin and ignorance, you still are acknowledging God's existence.
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;D ;D
Show me the verses...kid.
Another religious extremists on Getbig. Just what we needed.
oh brother.
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Another religious extremists on Getbig. Just what we needed.
oh brother.
Yea, a zealot for The Lord Jesus Christ....and you didn't answer me. Show me the verses...because you canot you show yourself up richly to be a liar, and a deceiver.
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did they ever say what really Killed that Bastard
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Discuss.
He thought wrong.
PB
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Two days later, his brother Ray also died in his sleep after complications from his long term battle with Berger's disease.[/b]
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So Ray died of kidney disease...
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Discuss.
He died and then resurrect 3 days later
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Yea, a zealot for The Lord Jesus Christ....and you didn't answer me. Show me the verses...because you canot you show yourself up richly to be a liar, and a deceiver.
The Bible reflects these cultural values : racism, brutality, submissive to authority, intolerance, violence, misogony (hatred towards women), cruelity to animals, and the viloation of most of the basic human rights we have today.
This is too easy!!!
Leviticus 25:42,25:44-46 (NIV): "Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves ... Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV): A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Exodus 21:7 [KJV] And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [NIV] If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.
Lev 15:19-24 [KJV] And if a woman have an issue (HER PERIOD), and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. 20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. 21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. 24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
1 Peter 3:5-6 (NIV): For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master.
Numbers 31:14-18 (NIV): Moses was angry with the officers of the army--the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds--who returned from the battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Judges 21:12-22 (NIV): They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man ... So the Benjamites returned at that time and were given the women of Jabesh Gilead who had been spared. But there were not enough for all of them ... the elders of the assembly said, "With the women of Benjamin destroyed, how shall we provide wives for the men who are left? The Benjamite survivors must have heirs," they said," so that a tribe of Israel will not be wiped out ... But look, there is the annual festival of the LORD in Shiloh, to the north of Bethel, and east of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem, and to the south of Lebonah. So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, "Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the girls of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, then rush from the vineyards and each of you seize a wife from the girls of Shiloh and go to the land of Benjamin. When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, "Do us a kindness by helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war ..."
Judges 19:24 (NIV): Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing ... the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.
Isaiah 3:12-17 (NIV): Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path ... The LORD says, "The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles. Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the LORD will make their scalps bald."
Genesis 22 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
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Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" "Yes, my son?" Abraham replied. "The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"
Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together. When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (NIV): If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.
Kings 2:23-24 (NIV): From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Matthew 12:46-49 (NIV): While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers."
Genesis 38:6-10
Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death. Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also.
Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
Exodus 2:11-12
One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:29-30
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn babies in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.
Exodus 35:2 [KJV] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. [NIV] For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Lev 11:10 [KJV] And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you [NIV] But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales --- whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water --- you are to detest.
Exodus 21:15-17Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.... Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.
Exodus 17:14-16 The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Exodus 19:12 Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, "Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death."
Exodus 21:23-25 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 22:18-20 Do not allow a sorceress to live. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Exodus 32:27-28,35 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died ... And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.
Leviticus 10:1-2 Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD, contrary to his command. So fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD.
Leviticus 10:6 Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, "Do not let your hair become unkempt, and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the LORD will be angry with the whole community.
Leviticus 20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:14 (Polygamy is acceptable, but not if you marry both a woman and her mother. If you commit that strange but victimless act, then you must die)
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire.
Leviticus 20:15-16 If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal.
Leviticus 20:27 man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death.
Leviticus 21:9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Leviticus 23:27 The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. Do no work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. Anyone who does not deny himself on that day must be cut off from his people. I will destroy from among his people anyone who does any work on that day.
Leviticus 24:13-14 Then the LORD said to Moses: "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him."
Leviticus 26:7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you.
Leviticus 26:14-16,22,25,29-33 But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands.
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Leviticus 19:19 he makes it a sin to cross-breed animals, plant two kinds of seed in one field, or wear a cotton-polyester shirt.
Leviticus 27:29 No person set for human sacrifice may be ransomed; he must be put to death.
Isaiah 13:15-16 Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 9:19-20 By the wrath of the LORD Almighty the land will be scorched and the people will be fuel for the fire; no one will spare his brother. On the right they will devour, but still be hungry; on the left they will eat, but not be satisfied. Each will feed on the flesh of his own offspring.
Isaiah 34:2-5,8 For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion's cause.
Isaiah 66:15-16,24 See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the LORD.
Genesis 19:24-26 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities--and also the vegetation in the land. But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
BTW in the story of Sodom and Gomorar, God killed innocent people, children and animals with thunder bolts because he was angry about rape, not gay dudes.
This was too easy!!!
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figures, no response.
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The Bible reflects these cultural values : racism, brutality, submissive to authority, intolerance, violence, misogony (hatred towards women), cruelity to animals, and the viloation of most of the basic human rights we have today.
This is too easy!!!
Leviticus 25:42,25:44-46 (NIV): "Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves ... Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Timothy 2:11-14 (NIV): A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Exodus 21:7 [KJV] And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. [NIV] If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do.
Lev 15:19-24 [KJV] And if a woman have an issue (HER PERIOD), and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. 20 And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. 21 And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 22 And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 23 And if it be on her bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. 24 And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean.
1 Peter 3:5-6 (NIV): For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master.
Numbers 31:14-18 (NIV): Moses was angry with the officers of the army--the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds--who returned from the battle. "Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Judges 21:12-22 (NIV): They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man ... So the Benjamites returned at that time and were given the women of Jabesh Gilead who had been spared. But there were not enough for all of them ... the elders of the assembly said, "With the women of Benjamin destroyed, how shall we provide wives for the men who are left? The Benjamite survivors must have heirs," they said," so that a tribe of Israel will not be wiped out ... But look, there is the annual festival of the LORD in Shiloh, to the north of Bethel, and east of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem, and to the south of Lebonah. So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, "Go and hide in the vineyards and watch. When the girls of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, then rush from the vineyards and each of you seize a wife from the girls of Shiloh and go to the land of Benjamin. When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, "Do us a kindness by helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war ..."
Judges 19:24 (NIV): Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But to this man, don't do such a disgraceful thing ... the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, "Get up; let's go." But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home. When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel.
Isaiah 3:12-17 (NIV): Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. O my people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path ... The LORD says, "The women of Zion are haughty, walking along with outstretched necks, flirting with their eyes, tripping along with mincing steps, with ornaments jingling on their ankles. Therefore the Lord will bring sores on the heads of the women of Zion; the LORD will make their scalps bald."
Genesis 22 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, "Abraham!" "Here I am," he replied. Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
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Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, "Father?" "Yes, my son?" Abraham replied. "The fire and wood are here," Isaac said, "but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?"
Abraham answered, "God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son." And the two of them went on together. When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (NIV): If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death.
Kings 2:23-24 (NIV): From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some youths came out of the town and jeered at him. "Go on up, you baldhead!" they said. "Go on up, you baldhead!" He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the LORD. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths.
Matthew 12:46-49 (NIV): While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you." He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers."
Genesis 38:6-10
Judah got a wife for Er, his firstborn, and her name was Tamar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death. Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also.
Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains I will tell you about."
Exodus 2:11-12
One day, after Moses had grown up, he went out to where his own people were and watched them at their hard labor. He saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his own people. Glancing this way and that and seeing no one, he killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.
Exodus 2:29-30
At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn babies in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.
Exodus 35:2 [KJV] Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death. [NIV] For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
Lev 11:10 [KJV] And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you [NIV] But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales --- whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water --- you are to detest.
Exodus 21:15-17Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death.... Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.
Exodus 17:14-16 The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation."
Exodus 19:12 Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, "Be careful that you do not go up the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain shall surely be put to death."
Exodus 21:23-25 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 22:18-20 Do not allow a sorceress to live. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
Exodus 31:15 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Exodus 32:27-28,35 Then he said to them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died ... And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.
Leviticus 10:1-2 Aaron's sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the LORD, contrary to his command. So fire came out from the presence of the LORD and consumed them, and they died before the LORD.
Leviticus 10:6 Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, "Do not let your hair become unkempt, and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the LORD will be angry with the whole community.
Leviticus 20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death.
Leviticus 20:14 (Polygamy is acceptable, but not if you marry both a woman and her mother. If you commit that strange but victimless act, then you must die)
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire.
Leviticus 20:15-16 If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal. If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal.
Leviticus 20:27 man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death.
Leviticus 21:9 If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.
Leviticus 23:27 The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. Do no work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. Anyone who does not deny himself on that day must be cut off from his people. I will destroy from among his people anyone who does any work on that day.
Leviticus 24:13-14 Then the LORD said to Moses: "Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him."
Leviticus 26:7 You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you.
Leviticus 26:14-16,22,25,29-33 But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted.
And I will bring the sword upon you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands.
You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.
Leviticus 19:19 he makes it a sin to cross-breed animals, plant two kinds of seed in one field, or wear a cotton-polyester shirt.
Leviticus 27:29 No person set for human sacrifice may be ransomed; he must be put to death.
Isaiah 13:15-16 Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 9:19-20 By the wrath of the LORD Almighty the land will be scorched and the people will be fuel for the fire; no one will spare his brother. On the right they will devour, but still be hungry; on the left they will eat, but not be satisfied. Each will feed on the flesh of his own offspring.
Isaiah 34:2-5,8 For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of retribution, to uphold Zion's cause.
Isaiah 66:15-16,24 See, the LORD is coming with fire, and his chariots are like a whirlwind; he will bring down his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For with fire and with his sword the LORD will execute judgment upon all men, and many will be those slain by the LORD.
Genesis 19:24-26 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah--from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities--and also the vegetation in the land. But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
BTW in the story of Sodom and Gomorar, God killed innocent people, children and animals with thunder bolts because he was angry about rape, not gay dudes.
This was too easy!!!
i'm curious but lazy,
is that the old testament or the new?
also...what has all that got to do with mike being god?
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So what he thought he was the son of god. Alexander the Great thought he WAS God, and there wasn't a man on the planet to tell him different. He was the first man to carry the title "Great" and here 2300 years later we smirk or make a snide comment when in reality we will die the masses of anonymous peons we are while Alexander will never be forgotten.
Personally I think the mental health of America is deteriorating and its our fault for scapegoating the susceptible or mentally vulnerable.
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What can be said about him that hasn't allready been said?
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Hell of a mustache.
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Crystal meth is a hell of a drug.
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true!
i couldnt agree with you more.
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his early stuff was fantastic...he got kookey later on in life but I would have loved to have trained with him before he flipped out.
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I think if you want something different in regards to MM you would be served a few ways.
Firstly, you could review his history with Arthur Jones, and his help in the development of Nautilus. Groundbreaking stuff at the time.
Secondly, you could study his fascination with Ayn Rand, an author and the originator of the philosphy of objectivism. It is a philosophy based on reason. She wrote two great novels, "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead". One is a story of "the perfect man", the other a great book on the modern day free market economy.
You might also realize that unlike the average bodybuilder who injests massive juice, eats a lot and then sleeps all day, MM tried to understand the science behind bodybuilding and push the envelope.
I am not a huge MM fan but he is worthy of mention and you asked what could be said that hasn't been said already.....
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What can be said about him that hasn't allready been said?
that he is alive
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mike made the biggest contribution to bodybuilding training. he has the only complete theory as to the right way to train (it is an actual professional thesis/ argument) all other methods are indefinite eg- the volume method is not precise, people advocating in specific various volume etc, eg- weider principles. his method was complete and exact.
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I remember my Dad hung out with MM once. This guy he tells me drank 4 milk shakes then proceeded to do 400 rock bottom, ass to the grass front squats wearing only a muslim prayer robe and when he finished he decided to pummel his 1982 Chevy Nova into a piece of scrap metal cause he claimed the car was injecting negative training advices into his brain.
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im assuming the above comment is a joke
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im assuming the above comment is a joke
Wouldn't I say if it was you shithead
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I respected Mike for stearing me away from the bullshit in Flex. His advice was to the other extreme, but better than usual. Most of all, he taught us to question every expert before blindly following suit.
RIP
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To reply to this is to give affirmation to the pointless accrument of posts this thread represents..........damn I fell for it!!
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Wouldn't I say if it was you shithead
see a psychiatrist for your frustrations in life
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Mike 'Meltdown' Mentzer ............when God was handing out patience, he traded his for another portion of coo-koo...
mentally weak
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I think if you want something different in regards to MM you would be served a few ways.
Firstly, you could review his history with Arthur Jones, and his help in the development of Nautilus. Groundbreaking stuff at the time.
Secondly, you could study his fascination with Ayn Rand, an author and the originator of the philosphy of objectivism. It is a philosophy based on reason. She wrote two great novels, "Atlas Shrugged" and "The Fountainhead". One is a story of "the perfect man", the other a great book on the modern day free market economy.
You might also realize that unlike the average bodybuilder who injests massive juice, eats a lot and then sleeps all day, MM tried to understand the science behind bodybuilding and push the envelope.
I am not a huge MM fan but he is worthy of mention and you asked what could be said that hasn't been said already.....
She was a mediocre writer, at best, and her 'philosophy,' such as it is, has largely been dismissed for years as cultish and insular, not to mention hideously selfish. Go to any philospophy prof at any respected uni and ask about it. He/she'll just sadly roll her eyes at you, pat you on the shoulder, and wish you the best, maybe ask you if you need some spare change.
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I remember my Dad hung out with MM once. This guy he tells me drank 4 milk shakes then proceeded to do 400 rock bottom, ass to the grass front squats wearing only a muslim prayer robe and when he finished he decided to pummel his 1982 Chevy Nova into a piece of scrap metal cause he claimed the car was injecting negative training advices into his brain.
Nice story.
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I remember my Dad hung out with MM once. This guy he tells me drank 4 milk shakes then proceeded to do 400 rock bottom, ass to the grass front squats wearing only a muslim prayer robe and when he finished he decided to pummel his 1982 Chevy Nova into a piece of scrap metal cause he claimed the car was injecting negative training advices into his brain.
I love a happy ending. :D
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does anybody knows what causes him to take a dirt nap so early?. they never said what really happened ???
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does anybody knows what causes him to take a dirt nap so early?. they never said what really happened ???
His mental health progressively declined all throughout his life. Soon before he died he was said to have been admitted to a mental institution where he had the biggest meltdown known to man. Being in complete denial of his own madness, he tirelessly fought to escape day after day, hour after hour before he was given a lobotomy. The lobotomy caused his brain functions to cease altogether almost immediately after surgury and he died. His brother Ray had a meltdown 2 days later after learning of his brother's death and took a swan dive off the roof of his house.
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His mental health progressively declined all throughout his life. Soon before he died he was said to have been admitted to a mental institution where he had the biggest meltdown known to man. Being in complete denial of his own madness, he tirelessly fought to escape day after day, hour after hour before he was given a lobotomy. The lobotomy caused his brain functions to cease altogether almost immediately after surgury and he died. His brother Ray had a meltdown 2 days later after learning of his brother's death and took a swan dive off the roof of his house.
really? I've never heard that...
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Mentzer was, without a doubt, one of the greatest Bodybuilders of all time ... he did quite a bit for the Sport. R.I.P Mike and Ray.
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really? I've never heard that...
Thats because it did not happen quite like that. Instead, Mike died from a heart attack after filming his video. Who knows how Ray died.
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POSSIBLY
THE BIGGEST NUT
IN BODYBUILDING HISTORY!
AND THE GREATEST
MASTERMIND!
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BUMP FOR THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND DRUGS!!!
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Is he still training nowadays with his twin brother?
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Is he still training nowadays with his twin brother?
He and his brother died a few years back.
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HE IS IS TRAINING IN THE GREAT GYM IN THE SKY!!!
HEAVEN GYM!
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Is he still training nowadays with his twin brother?
He and his brother died a few years back.
LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HE'S STILL OUT THERE
TAKING INTENSITY TO NEW LEVELS
THE WORLD COUDLNT TAKE THAT MUCH INTENSITY
SO HE HAD TO MAKE HIS OWN WORLD
AND HE DID
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I bet Heaven Gym is crowded.
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hey bluto, where are your threads about great mustaches? ;D
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hey bluto, where are your threads about great mustaches? ;D
GOOD QUESTION! ILL MAKE A NEW ONE SOON :)
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I wonder if "Gear" is allowed in Heaven gym.
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if you allready made it to heaven then you can do anything nothing is off limits !!!
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I doubt you'd need gear in heaven. I mean you have to consider all the shitty physiques through history.
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what the fuck is wrong with you guys? you let this thread sink below 15 others? it should be up there so people can find it first thing
>:(
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Is he still training nowadays with his twin brother?
He and his brother died a few years back.
Oh yeah, the Mentzers are dead....next you're gonna tell me the Von Erichs aren't wrasslin anymore cause they're dead too.
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Is he still training nowadays with his twin brother?
LOL. Yup. They're benching 6' of dirt.
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LOL. Yup. They're benching 6' of dirt.
LMAO
front relaxed pose
(http://www.postmortemstudiorental.com/images/Corpses/skeleton.jpg)
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LMAO
front relaxed pose
(http://www.postmortemstudiorental.com/images/Corpses/skeleton.jpg)
All drugs.
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what did he die from???
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LMAO
front relaxed pose
(http://www.postmortemstudiorental.com/images/Corpses/skeleton.jpg)
thats not mentzer, its true adonis !
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Mike died of complications of cardiovascular disease.
Here is the best free gallery currently online:
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/mentzer.html
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He was a "True" pioneer in the iron game 8)
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He definitely was ahead of his time! Check out his site:
http://www.mikementzer.com/tips.html
This passage stuck out to me:
"I eventually realized the vast level of overtraining that even HEAVY DUTY was creating in advanced trainers with extremely efficient neuromuscular pathways. In these unique, highly trained individuals, even most abbreviated, high intensity training programs may be too much. For these individuals, I've developed a highly advanced form of Heavy Duty. It involves the use of just two exercises, performed at opposite ends of the calender year. One all out set of Nautilus pull-overs, completed to failure, along with forced reps in early May, and one all out set of Nautilus Leg Press, completed to failure, with 1/4 reps to positive failure in early December."
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Mike found out that life was essentially over training him so he died.
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Ask Figs he has some good info in HIT ::)
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Ask Figs he has some good info in HIT ::)
didn't he quit?
i read a while ago that he said he basically didn't make any gains...lmao
HIT (mentzers way atleast) is the stupidest shit ever
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Definitely one of my Favorite Bodybuilders ! Was the first person, really, to spark my interest in Philosophy ( to be a little more specific, Rand and Nietzsche ) ... R.I.P Mike.
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mentzers hit training is somewhat effective in gaining size but certainly not functional strength. an interesting routine though. worth doing every now and then to switch things up.
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ahhh the classical deca/dbol body......
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(http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/mike_mentzer/mike_mentzer_003.jpg)
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(http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/mike_mentzer/mike_mentzer_010.jpg)
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YOU THINK YOU TRAIN HARD? MIKE MENTZER TRAINED HARD! YOU GOT NOTHING ON MIKE! NOTHING
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re·in·car·na·tion /ˌriɪnkɑrˈneɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ree-in-kahr-ney-shuhn]
Being reborn in another body. Several religions, including Hinduism, believe that the human spirit returns to Earth in different forms again and again as it strives for perfection.
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:o
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:o
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Swedish Viking about to do dips, which just happened to be a favorite of Mike Mentzer... coincidence? I think not... look also how Swedish Viking has a lot of facial hair, even taking it a step further than Mike by having a beard... reincarnation... to come back for PERFECTION...
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As much as Mike Mentzer was famous for his body, he was equally famous for his mind, and his original thinking... having this in mind, it's interesting to see the thoughts of Swedish Viking...
Here are some quotes:
In a thread, about, you guessed it Mike Mentzer (this is getting spooky) here is what Swedish Viking has to say about his training... can you say INTENSE?
"The first time I actually did a HIT session with the intensity of a real Hitter, I realized that one set to negative failure is exactly what I need to stimulate growth. "
"I was pretty much always the hardest training person in whatever gym I went to. "
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And when it comes to dieting... Swedish Viking, just as Mike Mentzer, is not afraid to think outside the box...
"I drink anywhere from 8-24 mostly whole always raw eggs daily. I say mostly whole because sometimes I only drink the yolk-never just the white-that is a total waste." :o :o :o
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Mike... I mean Swedish Viking on training:
"Re: how many of you finish your workouts under 30 MINUTES?
Mine are done in roughly 9-11 min."
Now if that isn't balls to the wall, straight to the point INTENSE training, then I don't know what is!
"I don't rest at all. One exercise is a pre-exhaust for the next."
No rest?! AT ALL!? This guy is an absolute animal!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=146146.0;attach=162913;image)
He looks great!
Of course he does, would you expect Mike Mentzer coming back to perfect his destiny and NOT looking great? ::)
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More quotes from this WILD BEAST MAN
"I'll tell you what is seriously good though, is the traditional sauna and then ice bath or shower."
"as of this point in time i am taking no supliments.
that makes two of us."
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"as far as shaving my body goes...why would anyone do that if they are not competing-would it be to look more like a girl or to look more like a baby? I have competed before and do so only for shows; otherwise no razor meets my skin unless totally necessary!"
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I'm just speculating, but maybe this is the REAL reason he never competed in Mr Getbig, and I can't blame him...
"e: FIRST ANNUAL MR.GETBIG DETAILS !!!!(updated 7/16) on: July 17, 2006, 09:48:22 AM
Are shaving and tan a requirement for this competition?"
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"I just ate some raw bison liver"
HARDCORE.
How about it you cell-tech gulping girly men? When was the last time you had some RAW bison LIVER after an intense workout ?
No wonder you can't pack on any size!
"I drink Gerolsteiner mineral water all the time. It's great, try it. Probably some of the cleanest water on the planet."
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"Now, I can eat old, smelly, brown, even somewhat rotting meat with no problem, along with mouldy fruits as well. "
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"Anyone know where you can buy some old school posing trunks like the ones they wore in the 70-80s?"
Hmm... gotcha Mike! Why would you want that if you weren't a reincarnation of Mike Mentzer?
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Um... He's fuckin dead...
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Um... He's fuckin dead...
Sometimes they come back...
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Topic sucks.
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That last pictures of his arms was really good :D 8)
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Sometimes they come back...
Yeah, I know this one guy...
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Sometimes they come back....again!
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I have this theory that Swedish Viking is a reincarnation of Mike Mentzer. I made a full thread about it but Hedge moved it to the Mr Getbig board. I'll get it back here. Maybe sticky it this time.
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I have this theory that Swedish Viking is a reincarnation of Mike Mentzer. I made a full thread about it but Hedge moved it to the Mr Getbig board. I'll get it back here. Maybe sticky it this time.
Don't bother.
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Don't bother.
Why not? It's interesting. I don't know whos gimmick you are but its getting pretty tiresome with 3-4 unknown people making the same type of comments. Like puppets on a string following me around.
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bluto ironman mag had a good article on mike written by robert kennedy, you might lkie it check it out. i thought mike was pretty bad ass. i also felt he should have won the 80 olympia.
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bluto that last pic of mike is a beast! guns are insane!
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Why not? It's interesting. I don't know whos gimmick you are but its getting pretty tiresome with 3-4 unknown people making the same type of comments. Like puppets on a string following me around.
Because it sounds boring.
And I'm not following you around. I just don't agree with some things you post.
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Because it sounds boring.
And I'm not following you around. I just don't agree with some things you post.
So? Just avoid the thread. I'm sure there's plenty of others.
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bluto ironman mag had a good article on mike written by robert kennedy, you might lkie it check it out. i thought mike was pretty bad ass. i also felt he should have won the 80 olympia.
Which issue?
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...the cry baby. ::)
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bluto it was the 30 year edition. lee priest is on the cover. i can give some of the details if you want but you probably want to read the article yourself. i just wish mike took better care of himself
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The guy looks great! Excellent condition.
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He looks great but their physiques don't look anything alike.
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That's about the only thing I'd ever agree with you on "bluto".. Mentzer is immortal.
Too bad he's got schleps like DC ripping him off and claiming it's their own creation.
Oh yea, DC incorporates a "rest pause", not 1 set to failure ::)
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YOU THINK YOU TRAIN HARD? MIKE MENTZER TRAINED HARD! YOU GOT NOTHING ON MIKE! NOTHING
Methamphetamine abuser.He also had phycotic episodes because of his meth abuse,I know I train harder than him cos I dont need to get wired to do so ::)
Dennis Ternerrio and Platz were in better shape than Mentzer at the 80 Mr O.He should of placed 10th
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There we go, the thread is back!
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He looks great but their physiques don't look anything alike.
I think they do, he just needs to pack on more size. He's only 23.
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Some awesome facial hair in this thread :)
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Some awesome facial hair in this thread :)
Yes. Swedish Viking doesn't believe in shaving. And what real man does? I think allowing at least chest hair would be a huge benefit to the sport of Bodybuilding. As well as promoting facial hair. It would make up for oil and girly thongs, balance it out.
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Shaving is for the weak. The only reason you should own a razor is so you can have a moustache if you want a change from having a beard.
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Topic sucks.
Old news
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bluto that last pic of mike is a beast! guns are insane!
He couldn't compete with Szkalak on guns or upper body, which is why Kal was looking down on him from the top of the podium. ;D
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Classic drug look: lots of vascularity, lacking in cuts & refinement. That, some softness and relatively narrow shoulders with a wide waist ruined his chances in 1980 when he wasn't as good as he should've been.
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That is the father of the Warhorse. Genetics are amazing. 8)
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Ever since Mike died, our lives lost direction!
To honor his legacy we should all wear our 'stache with pride. I do, everyday.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m32.jpg)
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Bluto, you will love this. ;)
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mminter.htm (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-1881271-10409943?url=http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/mminter.htm)
I also have a gallery of pictures of Mike Mentzer on my website if you want me to send you the link. :)
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I just had a glass of milk. would mike respect a milk mustache for amatuers??
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When I've had a few drinks and go out to clubs and go to the bathroom, I usually check my face in the mirror and check my 'stache and I scream MIKE MENTZER !!!
Sometimes people run out of there in fear haha.
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Bodybuilders should be marked down for not having moustaches.
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Bodybuilders should be marked down for not having moustaches.
It's worse than no calf development
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It's worse than no calf development
For sure. They should replace the free posing round with the moustache round. People would pay to see that.
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Ever since Mike died, our lives lost direction!
To honor his legacy we should all wear our 'stache with pride. I do, everyday.
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m32.jpg)
Bluto, I have tons of pictures and video reviews and info on Mike Mentzer on my website. Did you want me to post the links here? ;D
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Bluto, I have tons of pictures and video reviews and info on Mike Mentzer on my website. Did you want me to post the links here? ;D
No thanks. I've got plenty of photos myself. Go read a 'how to become a multi-millionaire by spamming from your basement"-book or something.
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arnold mustache also pretty good Yo :D
Indeed, I should've known when Arnold decided to get a mustache it would be up there with the greatest of them.
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mike was cool
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mike and his brother had a threesum with linda tomlinson according to mike belbosi
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mike and his brother had a threesum with linda tomlinson according to mike belbosi
Wouldn't surprise me. Mike was the man
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Wouldn't surprise me. Mike was the man
mike was a great bodybuilder..but he didnt use his own training methods..and he could have been even better by using higher volume. he was also very jealous of arnold.
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mike was a great bodybuilder..but he didnt use his own training methods..and he could have been even better by using higher volume. he was also very jealous of arnold.
Somebody post the image of him having the argument with Arnold, he was practical melting down right in front of Arnold.
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Somebody post the image of him having the argument with Arnold, he was practical melting down right in front of Arnold.
aha you mean from 1980 mr o? arguing about weightclasses, where is pointing his finger at arnold?
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but whatabout his mustache? surely that was far more impressive than arnolds and more defined?
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aha you mean from 1980 mr o? arguing about weightclasses, where is pointing his finger at arnold?
precisely that one, I had to laugh at Arnold, he looks as cool and as calm as fuck ;)
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Even Mike can not stand up against the King of all staches. ;D
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(http://www.domai.com/pics/big/jan-2007/mira-030.jpg)
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Even Mike can not stand up against the King of all staches. ;D
Yes Tom is a Legend :o :o :o
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(http://www.domai.com/pics/big/jan-2007/mira-030.jpg)
I have no idea what your point is but I don't care. ;D
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precisely that one, I had to laugh at Arnold, he looks as cool and as calm as fuck ;)
Arnold had the "I'd better keep my ass seated beore I get knocked the fuck out" look.
He was probably hiding his fear with that lil smirk ;D
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The moustache was a sign of the times. The Life of Southern California in the 70's, a great time for the ones lucky enough to enjoy it. Less government restrictions, open land, artists and creative people all over, free love and sex and a beautiful natural environment.
Too bad whats happened to it. Overrun with greedy developers with no concern for the environment. Selfish rich parents with spoiled children that only care about the insides of their McMansions and have left the rest of Southern California landscape in miles of ugly highways, tastless overcrowded housing develpments, and shopping malls selling everything you can imagine and never need. There is no more open land along the oceans unless it is a state park. There is no enviornmental movement or any attempt to develope the land more responsibly.
It must break the hearts of the iron legends that had a chance to enjoy the free Southern California life style, the one the Beach Boys sang about.
Funny thing is Arnold doesn't give a shit either. He has sold out and still selling out Southern California.
Long live the moustache.
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Even Mike can not stand up against the King of all staches. ;D
If you only knew the truth about the King. ;D
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precisely that one, I had to laugh at Arnold, he looks as cool and as calm as fuck ;)
You're interpreting it that way but in fact Arnold always had a hanger-on with him to protect him, in this case Waller, because Arnold was a pussy. Lots of talk about psyching opponents, much of it BS that obviously worked judging from the numbers who still believe it to this day. Mike obviously didn't buy it, this is the correct analysis:
Arnold had the "I'd better keep my ass seated beore I get knocked the fuck out" look.
He was probably hiding his fear with that lil smirk
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arnold know mike was like a pitbull and wouldve beat the shit outta him!
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mike would have HIT buttfucked arnie in a fight. and yes i always thought arnold was pissing his pants in that pic.
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The moustache was a sign of the times. The Life of Southern California in the 70's, a great time for the ones lucky enough to enjoy it. Less government restrictions, open land, artists and creative people all over, free love and sex and a beautiful natural environment.
Too bad whats happened to it. Overrun with greedy developers with no concern for the environment. Selfish rich parents with spoiled children that only care about the insides of their McMansions and have left the rest of Southern California landscape in miles of ugly highways, tastless overcrowded housing develpments, and shopping malls selling everything you can imagine and never need. There is no more open land along the oceans unless it is a state park. There is no enviornmental movement or any attempt to develope the land more responsibly.
It must break the hearts of the iron legends that had a chance to enjoy the free Southern California life style, the one the Beach Boys sang about.
Funny thing is Arnold doesn't give a shit either. He has sold out and still selling out Southern California.
Long live the moustache.
Aren't you in NYC?
NYC isn't any better.. Certain places in queens, brooklyn and the bronx are absolute shitholes. Atleast folks in the city have manners, but they're usually whiny, materialistic snobs.
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when and why did he die
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Aren't you in NYC?
NYC isn't any better.. Certain places in queens, brooklyn and the bronx are absolute shitholes. Atleast folks in the city have manners, but they're usually whiny, materialistic snobs.
Long Island in the suburbs is in a time warp, everyone with staches; the only place in north america where everyone looks like an iraqi. :D
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Long Island in the suburbs is in a time warp, everyone with staches; the only place in north america where everyone looks like an iraqi. :D
This true.. With the exception of their guido clown kids, those folks don't really annoy me. :)
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Mentzer, was a hero to a lot of people
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That's just it, a lot of legends die under mysterious circumstances...
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Haha please you compare the great Mike with the not so great Alexander now?
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One word - intensity!
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cool MM pics, love reading his books:
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Awesome!
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Still a good video!
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But doubting Mike, you sure that's a good idea?
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the way you read, you'd think his methods are vessel-bursting intense and use bone-crushing poundages. i'm sure that gets you a hell of a burn or something, but it doesn't change the fact that the tension being put on the muscle is laughably low.
Ok loony, you obviously have not grasped it or used the techniques.
you and mike are both mental (were in mikes case) where is the solidarity?
ta ta
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Some great photos there
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Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
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I love the part where Mike tells the guy. I paraphrase "Pretend that your favorite girl is standing in front you? wouldn't you give it all that you got"
ultimate motivator: Mike Mentzer
lol
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What do you say guys, shouldn't we have a board just for Mike Mentzer? His life, ideas, training, photos of him etc etc ?
I think it's a great idea myself, and I wouldn't mind modding it.
Discuss this question of importance.
Bluto - Super Moderator
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Motivation is very important. No wonder you guys are not doing any progress
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I vote "yes"
metzer ruled the world at one time, why not let him rule getbig from the afterlife?
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Good point. I think we owe him!
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I'll co-mod!
Fuck me you have had a good idea at last!
ta ta
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I vote Yes!
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I'll co-mod!
Fuck me you have had a good idea at last!
ta ta
Wouldn't that look stupid if one of my own gimmicks was co-modding with me? ::)
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Wouldn't that look stupid if one of my own gimmicks was co-modding with me? ::)
Only if you tell your other gimmicks.
ta ta
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Only if you tell your other gimmicks.
ta ta
Let's hope they don't read this thread :-X
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Where is Jamie from Mythbusters?
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I used to have such a beautiful moustache :D
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I used to have such a beautiful moustache :D
grow it back! >:( >:( >:(
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grow it back! >:( >:( >:(
I have something greater than that now ;D
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I have something greater than that now ;D
a full beard?
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Some baseball players had great moustaches. Think Rollie Fingers or Goose Gossage. Personally I think the handlebar is a little too elaborate for me.
Paul Sr. from the chopper show has an interesting moustache.
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a full beard?
Yup. Though with summer coming i might have to trim down...
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Some baseball players had great moustaches. Think Rollie Fingers or Goose Gossage. Personally I think the handlebar is a little too elaborate for me.
Paul Sr. from the chopper show has an interesting moustache.
Paul Sr get a lot of respect because of that 'stache, let me tell you, it's the leader of the pack thing.
I'm sure Paul Jr can get quite the 'stache himself, but he's not even going there because it won't match Sr's.
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Best damn thread in ages. PROPS!!!!
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I used to have such a beautiful moustache :D
me too dude. I have a beard now. The probelm is in NY everything gay becomes straight. Beards or just a heavy scruff where the signs of a gaydom but now five years later all the straight guys are wearing beards. I suppose I can go back to just a stache. I actually like it better. But shows like Reno 911 and Earle and Borack have kinda ruined the moustache....... Life is filled with so many difficult decisions.
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me too dude. I have a beard now. The probelm is in NY everything gay becomes straight. Beards or just a heavy scruff where the signs of a gaydom but now five years later all the straight guys are wearing beards. I suppose I can go back to just a stache. I actually like it better. But shows like Reno 911 and Earle and Borack have kinda ruined the moustache....... Life is filled with so many difficult decisions.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I've had facial since i was 18, too lazy to shave everyday.
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arnold know mike was like a pitbull and wouldve beat the shit outta him!
Yeah, don't fuck with nutcases on speed.
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no its not just my opinion
doing 1-2 sets per body part per week will put you in deconditioned state very fast. its not only bad for musclebuilding its also awful for functional capabilities.
also mentzer should have thought one step a head: "20sets to failure is too much. ok i do 1-2 sets to failure."
in reality something in the middle is better.
well said.
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Yeah, don't fuck with nutcases on speed.
to some he was nuts to others a genious
that thin line...
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anyone know if theres a mike mentzer statue or somethign that can be bought and used along with an altair?
thanks in advance
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No, but how about Alexander Hamilton?
(http://twi-ny.com/alexanderhamilton.jpg)
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altair
what's an altair?
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fuck that bastard child
i want a statue
and its gotta be of mentzer
and i want it now
BROS HELP ME OUT HERE MY LIFE HAS NO DIRECTION
what would you say if you didnt have a bible or a jesus on a cross on your bedroom wall? wouldnt be so fun eh?
now all i ask of you is this
put yourself in my shoes
help a BRO in NEED out
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bluto, do you have an obese tongue?
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bluto, if you've got some jam-up smoke there, you should share.
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your all equally worthless
i ask for this and this only and this is what i get?
you have no respect for other peoples religious beliefs
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How is Mike doing these days?
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your all equally worthless
i ask for this and this only and this is what i get?
you have no respect for other peoples religious beliefs
hahahahahaha "equally worthless".
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Sticky this thread until i get what i want >:(
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hahahahahaha "equally worthless".
Possible to have something worthless than worthless?
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I think we should give her a statue ;)
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How is Mike doing these days?
Very low key ;) Right or wrong in his philosophies on training he did start a new revolution that modified how bb trained.
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Very low key ;) Right or wrong in his philosophies on training he did start a new revolution that modified how bb trained.
What do you mean low key? I haven't seen pictures of him in ages...
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Very low key ;) Right or wrong in his philosophies on training he did start a new revolution that modified how bb trained.
it's quite possible that this thick headed idiot stark just doesnt know :-\
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What do you mean low key? I haven't seen pictures of him in ages...
Assuming you are serious, Mike died years ago.
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I've just read this thread from start to finish and I end up here an enlightened man. I was inspired, motivated, entertained, amused, educated, and slightly abused by the haters, who don't appreciate Mike because of their total lack of intellectual capability. girls.
Bluto is a saint. Here's a Mentzer fan who's dedicated! The memory of Mike will NEVER die here at Getbig! When I reach the appropriate age, I will join you and the rest of the world as one of the mustache people! In Mike's great memory, no doubt.
Mike Menzter is a legend. A quirky genius with a body that was a chiseled masterpiece, who developed unorthodox training methods, which may or not work well, depending on the individual. But Mike was a blessed man, both physically and mentally.
MIKE MENTZER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My ultimate bodybuilding goal is to be Mike Mentzer!
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Mike Mentzer- The Man, The Legend, The Mustache
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Great to hear that figgs!
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figgs
no disrespect here (great pics :D), but are you bipolar ???
i recall you ragging big time on the guy and his methods in the training section after you had experimented with some of his methods for a short while.
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Very low key ;) Right or wrong in his philosophies on training he did start a new revolution that modified how bb trained.
the greatest contribution to training and the only person with a complete theory to bodybuilding training.
R.I.P MIKE! AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION.
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the greatest contribution to training and the only person with a complete theory to bodybuilding training.
R.I.P MIKE! AND THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION.
that's all very nice but hold up a bit.
mike mentzer didn't come up with the theory of brevity and high intensity. he was a disciple of arthur jones and simply copied the jones ideology verbatim.
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Mike, a student of Ayn Rand and the Objectivism theory.
Passionate supporter of all things high-intensity, Jack Daniels, nicotine and amphetamines.
R.I.P.
And also, would put a needle in his butt from time to time.
P.S A hater of Arnold and high volume!
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YES. VERY GREAT
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hahahahaha oh brother, 50 pound barbell curls, what a beast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mentzer sounds drunk in that clip.
Bitch, you couldn't do 20 lbs with that super-strict, controlled form.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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IT WILL TAKE DECADES BEFORE HE GET THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES
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when is he competing again?
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He's making a comeback with craig titus at the O this year.
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IT WILL TAKE DECADES BEFORE HE GET THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES
nonsense
he's getting the recognition he deserves already.
he was a meth addicted nut.
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He had the best stash ever.
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nonsense
he's getting the recognition he deserves already.
he was a meth addicted nut.
TYPICAL NONSENSE COMMENT BY A SMALL MIND LIKE YOU
THE BRAIN OF A PEANUT!
YOU ANTI INTELLECTUAL
YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND MENTZER
WEAK BODY, WEAK MIND!
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This is an interesting argument, one i havent heard in ooooooh a week
ha-ha
why not back up your talk with some new never before seen (in june 2007) pics?
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TYPICAL NONSENSE COMMENT BY A SMALL MIND LIKE YOU
THE BRAIN OF A PEANUT!
YOU ANTI INTELLECTUAL
YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND MENTZER
WEAK BODY, WEAK MIND!
sorry, i didn't here you. can you text louder?
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sorry, i didn't here you. can you text louder?
TEXT LOUDER? HOW THE HELL DO YOU TEXT LOUDER
A TEXT IS A TEXT IS A TEXT
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TEXT LOUDER? HOW THE HELL DO YOU TEXT LOUDER
A TEXT IS A TEXT IS A TEXT
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IT WILL TAKE DECADES BEFORE HE GET THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES
If he even gets it.
PB
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he was so far ahead of his time that he killed himself prematurely so that he can be reincarnated into a body with hopes of having better genetics and less a gut.
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he was so far ahead of his time that he killed himself prematurely so that he can be reincarnated into a body with hopes of having better genetics and less a gut.
mike had great genetics and was a very successful bber in his time.
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I remember after a guest posing in 97 Nasser El Sonbaty said that Dan Duchaine had a bunch of notes and papers that Mentzer had given him. They supposedly detailed some ridiculously cutting edge "experiments" Mentzer was trying on himself. Now that both Mentzers are dead, I guess no one will ever know what they said.
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he made horn rimmed glasses and bushy moustaches stylish.
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nonsense
he's getting the recognition he deserves already.
he was a meth addicted nut.
Mike was incredibly intelligent but I'm not so sure bodybuilding can be debated in terms of the philosophy of objectivism as he contested so passionately.
Here is an EXCELLENT DVD if you want to see Mike's intelligence shine though. It's too bad that meth took control of him, as many drugs do to those not strong enough to fight them.
DVD REVIEW:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegymdvd.html
I just skimmed over that review and found this comment from Mike:
He said that young people are out spending time snorting coke and partying and not picking up one of her [Ayn Rand's] books.
As a meth addict when he was alive, he really shouldn't have been coming down on the drug problems of others. :-\
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He's making a comeback with craig titus at the O this year.
Craig has to have a date with old sparky before he can compete against Mike.
SERGIO!!!!
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Jeff Everson said Mike was weak in the gym.
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Jeff Everson said Mike was weak in the gym.
If being weak means you look like this, sign me up :o
(http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/images/mentzer.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Mike-Mentzer.jpg)
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If being weak means you look like this, sign me up :o
(http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/images/mentzer.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Mike-Mentzer.jpg)
oh believe me i wasn't criticizing Mike's build by any means just saying that i read it in Planet Muscle, Jeff said that Mike had trouble push pressing 225 overhead at a Superstars competition but jeff also said that Mike blew him out of the water physique wise.
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MORE PICTURES OF MIKE:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegym
Bluto hates when I plug my site on here, posts bait for me like this thread. :-X
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If being weak means you look like this, sign me up :o
(http://www.philkaplan.com/thefitnesstruth/images/mentzer.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/Mike-Mentzer.jpg)
by the way the arms on that first picture are so photoshopped is hilarious.
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by the way the arms on that first picture are so photoshopped is hilarious.
I agree. Ive seen th is picture numerous times and it seems altered here.
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I don't think he was ahead of his time at all, given that Viator and others had already done same.
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IT WILL TAKE DECADES BEFORE HE GET THE RECOGNITION HE DESERVES
well said, high intensity training the only complete scientific method of training.
he made the biggest contribution to exercise science and bodybuilding theory.
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Mike was incredibly intelligent but I'm not so sure bodybuilding can be debated in terms of the philosophy of objectivism as he contested so passionately.
Here is an EXCELLENT DVD if you want to see Mike's intelligence shine though. It's too bad that meth took control of him, as many drugs do to those not strong enough to fight them.
DVD REVIEW:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/mikeandraymentzerinthegymdvd.html
I just skimmed over that review and found this comment from Mike:
As a meth addict when he was alive, he really shouldn't have been coming down on the drug problems of others. :-\
mike was a hypocrite in a lot of ways.
it wasn't his training philosophy that sucked (btw it wasn't his it was arthur jones') it was the way he arrogantly dismissed any contention to his philosophy. he accused others like arnold of having a closed mind but he wasn't receptive to ideas at all and i think the comment by mike that Matt C pointed out just typifies his hypocrisy.
i could also point out many further examples of his hypocrisy eg. training: he obsessively advocated the 1 set hit principle simples, yet he performed much more volume in his own training at the time.
i liked his individualism and integrity but the fact is, HE DID NOT INVENT HIT/HEAVY DUTY/WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT TO CALL IT, ARTHUR JONES DID.
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Arthur Jones may have invented it, but Dorian perfected it.
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wat mike advocates is totally different to arthur, read the books and u will see why.
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wat mike advocates is totally different to arthur, read the books and u will see why.
ok, now that you have made that assertion i will assume that you have read the books and can therefore explain to me why?
you will not because you can't. every single principle mentzer had came from jones.
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ok, now that you have made that assertion i will assume that you have read the books and can therefore explain to me why?
you will not because you can't. every single principle mentzer had came from jones.
well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.
I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.
even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)
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well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.
I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.
even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)
sounds like maybe you should read more arthur jones stuff then.
jones was the original thinker, not mentzer. jones advocated less training with high intensity along with more recovery because of that higher intensity. he was also the first to say that, as a trainee becomes stronger he makes greater inroads into his recovery and therefore requires even more rest ie twice weekly/less often.
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Arthur Jones may have invented it, but Dorian perfected it.
Silly revisionist history from a Yates groupie.
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He's making a comeback with craig titus at the O this year.
To bad Francois and Munzer will beat them both. ::)
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To bad Francois and Munzer will beat them both. ::)
hang on
mike francois' not dead is he ???
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sounds like maybe you should read more arthur jones stuff then.
jones was the original thinker, not mentzer. jones advocated less training with high intensity along with more recovery because of that higher intensity. he was also the first to say that, as a trainee becomes stronger he makes greater inroads into his recovery and therefore requires even more rest ie twice weekly/less often.
thanks beast, is there a particular book by jones u recomend to read?
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well arthur advocates to work out three times a week i believe. mike advocates one workout every 5-7 days and as u get advanced u add more rest days. also he advocates only 4-5 sets per workout.
I personally have not read arthur jones materials but i read and heard mike distinguish the differences of where he disagress with arthur and went in his own direction, he also made a lecture which is recorded both on dvd and in mp3 where he goes into detail about such things.
even dorian is not a true h.i.t disciple because he uses different rep speed and more sets. (The use of a quick rep speed with h.i.t principles is a recipe for injury)
There is no way on this earth the majority of people could get any sort of decent physique whatsoever (muscle wise), from 1 workout every 5-7 days. You would have to have the best genetics to make much gains from that programme
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There is no way on this earth the majority of people could get any sort of decent physique whatsoever (muscle wise), from 1 workout every 5-7 days. You would have to have the best genetics to make much gains from that programme
i am getting good gains even in a calorie deficit and doing alot of cardio.
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i am getting good gains even in a calorie deficit and doing alot of cardio.
Really? How long have you been training? I would imagine beginners could as their bodies arent used to training, but for more advanced lifters sitting round for 6 days a week just doesnt make sense to me. Obviously you need rest, but i dont think many people could get anywhere near their potential training less than 3 times per week
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Ive always read, from Mentzer's articles or proponents of his training philosophy about how HIT is the only scientifically sound way to train. Unfortunately I haven't read any real scientific studies to back that up. The much vaunted Colorado experiment inst what you would call scientifically sound. There was no control subjects or strict methodology used. A lot of the training philosophy seemed to depend on generalizations about human physiology such as each person is relatively the same and that stimulation applied will be relatively the same, recuperation times are relatively the same and if a person is not benefiting from training the automatic response is to decrease stimulation. It doesn't seem to take into account genetic variations in the human population such as recuperative variances and hormonal makeup. This is my initial opinion of HIT, though it might change as I look at it further.
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hang on
mike francois' not dead is he ???
No but Craig Titus isn't yet either...
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Ive always read, from Mentzer's articles or proponents of his training philosophy about how HIT is the only scientifically sound way to train. Unfortunately I haven't read any real scientific studies to back that up. The much vaunted Colorado experiment inst what you would call scientifically sound. There was no control subjects or strict methodology used. A lot of the training philosophy seemed to depend on generalizations about human physiology such as each person is relatively the same and that stimulation applied will be relatively the same, recuperation times are relatively the same and if a person is not benefiting from training the automatic response is to decrease stimulation. It doesn't seem to take into account genetic variations in the human population such as recuperative variances and hormonal makeup. This is my initial opinion of HIT, though it might change as I look at it further.
Caseys results were from muscle memory and gear , rest and food. Ill bet he didnt have a job during the test......
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Sidenote....
the guy who started the thread "Years Gone By" was an annoying lil tiny tit.....
Im sure he is someones old gimmick
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Caseys results were from muscle memory and gear , rest and food. Ill bet he didnt have a job during the test......
exactly.
viator was a genetic monster and jones was smart enough to realise that he was the perfect candidate.
he hadn't trained for quite a while and casey and arthur had a previous trainee-trainer relationship where arthur knew exactly what buttons to push, how to feed him, how to hormonise him, recovery, motivation, etc, etc. he also had seen casey make massive improvements in a short space of time before. casey was arthur's frankenstein, he thrived on brutally hard work, trained like an animal and, as pointed out, had nothing to do but train, eat, hormonise, sleep, rinse, repeat.
jones knew that casey was his golden goose, he even had assistants carry casey from each exercise apparatus when he was done.
all casey had to do for that whole time was GET BIG and he had every tool in the box to do it with.
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Really? How long have you been training? I would imagine beginners could as their bodies arent used to training, but for more advanced lifters sitting round for 6 days a week just doesnt make sense to me. Obviously you need rest, but i dont think many people could get anywhere near their potential training less than 3 times per week
hey, yeah well i trained for abit over two years very well, took a long lay off and came back with the emphasis on fat loss. SO i guess up until now my many of my gains have been a partial result of regaining muscle. but for example, my calves have grown muscle i never even saw before which i credit to the high intensity approach to them. so i guess the real test will be how my gains go over the next several months.
the thought about advanced bodybuilders he takes it like this - the stresses imposed are much greater for advanced bodybuilders and it make s a bigger inroad into their recovery ability ( eg- concentration curling 20 pounds versus an advanced lifter using 80 pounds causes more stress). he advocates that advanced users should use more advanced intensity techniques such as rest-pause, negative failure, static failure.
he says they need more rest because of the stress and they are closer to reaching their critical point of overtraining from stress and also their upper genetic potential.
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Blutey ,what do you say about the incestual homosexual affair between mike and ray?
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OK guys, dig this and dig it good; Mike was good for bodybuilding and he was a good man.
Tom
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Caseys results were from muscle memory and gear , rest and food. Ill bet he didnt have a job during the test......
thats what mike said.
also to others, he refers to other research and theory regarding stress a couple of people's work cant remember the names, this is another thing that separates his theory from jones, he believes three times per week as jones said led to overtraining.
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thats what mike said.
also to others, he refers to other research and theory regarding stress a couple of people's work cant remember the names, this is another thing that separates his theory from jones, he believes three times per week as jones said led to overtraining.
hello, jones was saying 3 times per week when mike was TRAINING 6 days a week. the lowest frequency mike did in his competitive years was 4 times per week and that was ENTIRELY influenced by jones.
jones DID alter his belief here and mike followed. mike followed jones' ideas on higher intensity making greater inroads and thus requiring more recovery. obviously, it was only natural, given jones' theorum that the frequency would come down, but make no mistake (and anyone that has read arthur jones knows this) jones was the originator of the hit system, mike was merely one of the many followers.
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beast,
yes u are right bout that stuff (stuff which i previously did not know re: jones)....i was saying that mike had a different theory and belief as he expanded his principles eg- if u read 'high intensity training the mike mentzer way' it shows the difference.
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beast,
yes u are right bout that stuff (stuff which i previously did not know re: jones)....i was saying that mike had a different theory and belief as he expanded his principles eg- if u read 'high intensity training the mike mentzer way' it shows the difference.
that's my point, he didn't expand on anything.
the problem is, there are too many variables ie sex, age, height, weight, hormones, motivation, recovery, drugs, ethnic origin, leverages, rep cadence, the list goes on and on and on, believe me, i could be here all day.
imo, mentzers books are more a case study on his sanity than anything else. one absolute - BULLSHIT.
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Jones theory does make alot of sense. Especially the need for more rest as you become advanced in your genetic limit. The central nervous system is heavily taxed by resistance training.
Ive always tried to listen to my body by following a basic 3on 2off plan. But that quicly turns to a 2on 2off and eventually to a 3-4 times a week......
As the weeks go on (about 8 weeks) I need a week off, and usually come back stronger and better for it.
As a drug free trainer, i have attained alot of mass simply from my staying away from the gym when needed.
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if u use the methods like positive failure,negative failure, and static, as u get more advanced u can get to the point of working out only once every seven days, cos it taxes ur central nervous system so much u dont want to be in the gym earlier than that. those who have done h.i.t will know wat i mean.
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if u use the methods like positive failure,negative failure, and static, as u get more advanced u can get to the point of working out only once every seven days, cos it taxes ur central nervous system so much u dont want to be in the gym earlier than that. those who have done h.i.t will know wat i mean.
yes i know, but how does anyone know, given the aforementioned variables, what measure of intensity/inroads into recovery and how long to rest?
what exactly defines and advanced trainee? someone that benches 400lbs for reps? what if one person does 300lbs with an 8 second negative and positive and another subject does 250lbs with a 30 second negative and 27 second second positive? what about if you get someone 5' 0 doing 10 rep squats with 500lb vs a 6'5 guy doing squats with 400lbs for 10, who's more advanced?
i could go on and on adnauseum, but i guess the only real way to tell how much recovery, etc you need is to experiment. where mentzer's theorum is flawed is that he doesn't account for the variables and simply DICTATES one absolute ie everyone trains the same way regardless of variables.
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i feel ya beast,
i think advanced means ur upper limits of ur genetic potential.
all i know is that when i use the high intensity principles, my body doesnt feel like goin to the gym for 6-7 days, its very draining. its hard to explain, i never felt like this doing the normal training styles. but the calve results have impressed me the most.
but i must make it clear, i am on very low calories, at 220 pounds i am only eating like 1,100 - 1,300 calories per day simply because i am unhappy with my stored fat on my body.
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i feel ya beast,
i think advanced means ur upper limits of ur genetic potential.
all i know is that when i use the high intensity principles, my body doesnt feel like goin to the gym for 6-7 days, its very draining. its hard to explain, i never felt like this doing the normal training styles. but the calve results have impressed me the most.
but i must make it clear, i am on very low calories, at 220 pounds i am only eating like 1,100 - 1,300 calories per day simply because i am unhappy with my stored fat on my body.
yes, but who actually knows what their genetic potential is?
it's defeatist terminology and perhaps a bit of a cop out ie who would have thought in 1920 that a human being could carry the muscle mass of ronnie coleman?
i know one may argue, "but that's drugs", however genetic potential by definition does not mean, 'to the exclusion of ergonenic aids'.
in any case, it appears that you're working harder and analysing the results which are probably the 2 most important aspects towards progressive training.
the hardest part of training is motivation imo. if you can stay motivated and positive you will get far greater results. it's bloody hard to keep working brutally hard week in week out, especially if you're doing it alone, but the guys that can definitely get the best results, drugs aside.
it's good to see you're getting the results and i hope you continue doing what matters ie busting your ass in the gym. ;D
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cool beast,
yeah...in the end as long as u r getting results its all good. and its all about busting ur ass and discipline both eating clean and training and cardio....
thanks for the comments.
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Merge all threads about Mike Mentzer into this one please!
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(http://www.makeup-fx.com/webshop/images/moustaches/moustache_collage.jpg)
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mentzer is an un-crowned mr. o. BIG dude.
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mentzer is an un-crowned mr. o. BIG dude.
thats right!
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It doesn't seem to take into account genetic variations in the human population such as recuperative variances and hormonal makeup.
Mike said the stimulus that causes the best growth is one way high intensity is one - h.i.t
he said ur response to that stimulus is purely genetic and the amount of muscle u can eventually build is pre-determined (but that ur genetic potential cant be realised till u actually train and explore that potential). he had 1,000's of clients and their results illustrated this.
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guy was a animal in the gym
the thinking mans bodybuilder
experimented with his body like a science project
and had a stache outta this world
will there ever be someone like him ever again i wonder ?
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guy was a animal in the gym
the thinking mans bodybuilder
experimented with his body like a science project
and had a stache outta this world
will there ever be someone like him ever again i wonder ?
Franco and Lou were true animals at the gym.
Mentzer experimented more with depression and Psychological issues than anything else.
had a mustache outta of this world....So did freddy Mercury
Will ever be someone like him again?
maybe,
but what for??
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Franco and Lou were true animals at the gym.
Mentzer experimented more with depression and Psychological issues than anything else.
had a mustache outta of this world....So did freddy Mercury
Will ever be someone like him again?
maybe,
but what for??
And that was it? You sir, are a fucking idiot.
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guy was a animal in the gym
the thinking mans bodybuilder
experimented with his body like a science project
and had a stache outta this world
will there ever be someone like him ever again i wonder ?
mentzer wasnt as smart as people believe..or as smart as he believed himself to be.
arnold was smarter when it came to bodybuilding in practice and real world problems (he had street smarts)
arnold didnt try to project himself as the thinking mans bodybuilder but in reality his instincts and ability to borrow information from other bodybuilders took him to the top.
mentzer used many useless analogies and metaphors in his training articles. for those without a critical mind the articles can be seen as smart and convincing..but inreality they are mostly bullshit.
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guy was a animal in the gym
the thinking mans bodybuilder
experimented with his body like a science project
and had a stache outta this world
will there ever be someone like him ever again i wonder ?
Heraldo is his only real competition when it comes to stache's.
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it's possible that arnold would've been even more successful if he would've had a stache
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And that was it? You sir, are a fucking idiot.
Between worshiping a loser and being a fucking idiot.......
I'll take fucking idiot.
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guys guys... lets not fight
we're all part of the bodybuilding brotherhood that is worldwide... everywhere you go and find a brother in need you reach out and help.. like you do in the gym spotting... you also spot your fellow brothers of iron outside of the gym and at msg boards...
let the brotherhood live on and one... because we are a rare creed... a tribe of warriors of old... connected to eachother by our love for the iron and our great staches...
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Bluto does a Mentzer thread every coupla months along with one on Stallone and another on Seagal. :-\
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Bluto does a Mentzer thread every coupla months along with one on Stallone and another on Seagal. :-\
yes indeed i do, and that reminds me that it's time for another SEGAL one to hit the e board shortly, i might even make it a sticky!
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it's possible that arnold would've been even more successful if he would've had a stache
he had for a brief period in the 70s...after he retired.
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he had for a brief period in the 70s...after he retired.
it was awesome
lou ferrigno had a great beard
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it was awesome
lou ferrigno had a great beard
i think ferrigno found the glories of fantasy books.
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is dead
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is dead
so is jesus
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Mentzer was a drug addicted nut job.
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Heraldo is his only real competition when it comes to stache's.
Geraldo :)
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Looked to me he was up there with the great ones wasn't he?
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Total Package. One of The Best.
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One of my Favorites of ALL TIME ... Top 5, to be exact ! He had a GREAT Physique and a GREAT Mind ! R.I.P Mike !
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mr olympia 1980
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oddly enough you don't see any pro that strictly follows Mike's version of HIT. I think that it would safe to say that volume training won out.
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oddly enough you don't see any pro that strictly follows Mike's version of HIT. I think that it would safe to say that volume training won out.
Mark Dugdale uses very similar methods to Mentzer
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Mike was great, but his chest and back still needed more mass. One of my alltime most inspiring pros anyways. He stopped competing when he was just getting started at 27 y/o or something.
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Looked to me he was up there with the great ones wasn't he?
Good physique yes, but he had a terrible voice.
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Awesome physique. Sick calves and forearms. Very well developed moustache.
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How about that stache? World class.
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Who's gonna grow a moustache for Mo-vember??
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bluto in my opinion he was one of the greats. it is a shame his own personal demons led to his demise. he could still be a inspiration today. robert kennedy reported he used to hurry a workout to drink jack daniels and smoke cigaretts. his own business yes but he obviously had issues and made vey poor business decisions. he reall should have won the 80 olympia.
he had a body that is missed in todays sport. great poser also
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Good physique yes, but he had a terrible voice.
He was normal and sounded normal in 1979 when he gave a seminar I attended.
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great physique!!!!!
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Looked to me he was up there with the great ones wasn't he?
got some fashion tips? im sorry i offended you, you white trash peace of shit.
he wasnt that great, its jsut that black/white vintage pics look cool.
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this much i know is true !!!
(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a7/STRONG76/mikementzer7.jpg)
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no
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what you mean no go fuck yourself guy
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no
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He was mentally ill when he died.. heard some crazy stories about him in the 80's..
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mentally ill is where it's at
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cyclic posting pattern
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YOU FEEL ME?
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BAN USER-DELETE THREAD
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Ok let's try that shit
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works for me. good stuff about time 8)
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"Bluto's" once-monthly Mentzer thread. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZ
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that was pretty good..I forget how good that guy was
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legendary.
abit gay music but thats allright
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"Bluto's" once-monthly Mentzer thread. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZ
Why are you getting on Bluto's back?
Unnecessary.
ta ta
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Mentzer was good. Not great, but good.
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I'm just trying out the possibility to include youtube videos directly in the thread.
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yeah that's kind of a neat function.
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I'd jump on that! :P
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bump for mike mentzer.
looking down at us from the big gym in the sky.
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bump for mike mentzer.
looking down at us from the big gym in the sky.
What happened to Mentzer Mustace Mondays?
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What happened to Mentzer Mustace Mondays?
days got a bit fucked up over christmas and new years... we'll have them next monday!
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He was probably the most intelligent bodybuilder too..
Stimulants = helluva drugs
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He wasn't that intelligent. He tried to appear intelligent and most people swallowed it.
Most of his supposed knowledge was poorly understood new age Philosophy.
Arnold is/was far more intelligent.
He was a junkie nutjob and was so intelligent he poisoned himself into a premature death and walked around in his pyjamas.
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He wasn't that intelligent. He tried to appear intelligent and most people swallowed it.
Most of his supposed knowledge was poorly understood new age Philosophy.
Arnold is/was far more intelligent.
He was a junkie nutjob and was so intelligent he poisoned himself into a premature death and walked around in his pyjamas.
i think mentzer was pretty intelligent, but i also think there's many kinds of intelligence. for example, musical intelligence, logical intelligence, social intelligence, etc. therefore i'd say mike had a high degree of logical intelligence, but arnold... no he's a freak of social intelligence, in the genius range!!!! by the way, pretty much all of the greatest con artists have had a Superior degree of social intelligence ;) but, i'm not saying arnold is a con man...
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(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/m14.jpg)
(http://digilander.libero.it/mikementzer/mi57.jpg)
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per robert kennedy, mike used to hurry his workouts to go drink jackdaniels and smoke some smokes. one of my all time favorites should have won the 80 olympia
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Mikes body is very very nice. I actually like it allot better than the guys of today who took it overboard.
Hey KEITH ... can u share some crazy stories about Mike ? about his eating habts or anything he did ? Cause I know he did a lot of crazy stuff
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The alltime great Mentzer - even his moustache was perfection 8)
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Awful youtube.
Terrible song and the same ten pictures shown over and over again.
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WTF was that!
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The alltime great Mentzer - even his moustache was perfection 8)
yep, have seen few people wear one better.
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Thanks Bluto! You made my day!
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Mentzer was good. Not great, but good.
Medford is fat. Not Slim but Fat.
ta ta
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I'm sure Mike is rolling over in his grave over that terrible choice of music for that video.
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It's that time.
It's time for...
Mike Mentzer Moustache Mondays!
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Wow - great pics!!!
Too bad a moustache doesn't fit me - would be animal to have one! :o
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nice moustache great pics though
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epic Village People stache.
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BIG beards are what its all about
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BIG beards are what its all about
(http://themysteryoflife.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/chabal01yu3.jpg)
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beards are out.
moustache is in.
MENTZER!
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
the metzer's ruled the world at one time. never forget that.
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now they know the afterlife
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beards are out.
moustache is in.
MENTZER!
If you are an arse bandit maybe
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If you are an arse bandit maybe
what the hell?
this is an MMM thread-mike metzer moustache thread...get with the program or get the fuck out.
that type of shit won't be tolerated here >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
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:)
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what the hell?
this is an MMM thread-mike metzer moustache thread...get with the program or get the fuck out.
that type of shit won't be tolerated here >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mentzer & Tom Selleck are the ONLY exceptions, and Earl Hicky
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Mentzer & Tom Selleck are the ONLY exceptions, and Earl Hicky
that's better.... 8) 8) 8) 8)
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whatabout freddy mercury ???
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You know I got to include my stache
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that's a fine 'stache there onlyme 8)
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You know I got to include my stache
is it true you didn't adopt the stach until you trained with Ray Metzer and it didn't appear until after one of your workouts together and after that after every training session you instantly had that stach? I heard it was like magic or something....
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double stache
(http://www.miamikettlebell.com/images/Mike%20Mentzer.jpg)
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Ray looked better.
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don't know dude, ray looks kind of short next to mike there
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Mike showing the "moustache challenged" arnold what it's all about, another warrior of the moustacche brigade-Phil Hill and moustache driven intensity by "iron" mike metzer..... :o :o :o
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Why did they merge the threads? Mentzer's stache deserves it's on thread --- EVERY Monday!!!! It what gets me through the week.
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I'm not the only one disappointed.
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Haha - classic lines and awesome photos 8)
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i see bluto has discovered www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/
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(http://www.domai.com/pics/big/jan-2007/mira-030.jpg)
whoa!