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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: funk51 on July 27, 2015, 11:33:19 AM
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;D and the winner is jim park...
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I think the biggest reason why bb'ers are so much larger now than then is bb'ers are more & more willing to pay a price in pain that is higher & higher, particularly lower body training. Its not drugs (which don't work IMO), although synthol use the ONLY way to explain arms bigger than the great Sergio Oliva's. The internet now enables many hopefuls access to much better training ideologies more than ever before no matter where they are. I don't think anyone of any significance in the 1950's-60's trained anywhere near the insane level in intensity which greats such as Tom Platz.
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I think the biggest reason why bb'ers are so much larger now than then is bb'ers are more & more willing to pay a price in pain that is higher & higher, particularly lower body training.
:o Its not drugs (which don't work IMO) :o,
although synthol use the ONLY way to explain arms bigger than the great Sergio Oliva's. The internet now enables many hopefuls access to much better training ideologies more than ever before no matter where they are. I don't think anyone of any significance in the 1950's-60's trained anywhere near the insane level in intensity which greats such as Tom Platz.
:o Drugs don't work....
Please explain your rationale
My son has to take a lot of medication, without it he most likely be extremely ill or possibly dead.
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I wonder how many of these guys worked manual labor 12hrs a day 7 days a week. I doubt any of them did this full time like today. Not to mention they had shit equipment that probably did more harm then good.
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I meant there is no drug which will increase the rate of hypertrophy as a result of resistance training. Its all a mind game. Hulk Hogan anyone would agree no doubt used literally gallons of steroids in his day (still does) yet he was actually larger before ever becoming famous. Ah-nuld, as evidenced by HERCULES IN NEW YORK, was as larger if not larger than he ever was despite again anyone agreeing that he used gallons of steroids during his competitive days (still does). Steroid advocates please explain to me if steroids are the magic potion to "hugeness" how could all this possibly be? It couldn't. Sure steroids will for a very short amount of time increase physical performance such as in an athletic competition. But they will not in the long-term increase muscle hypertrophy. Unless you call swelling up w/ gallons of subcutaneous edema due to a damaged liver "muscle".
Artificially elevating a person's testosterone level beyond the limits of a healthy range will NOT increase your results. All you super intelligent body is going to do is lower it's own endogenous hormone production (if your lucky).
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I meant there is no drug which will increase the rate of hypertrophy as a result of resistance training. Its all a mind game. Hulk Hogan anyone would agree no doubt used literally gallons of steroids in his day (still does) yet he was actually larger before ever becoming famous. Ah-nuld, as evidenced by HERCULES IN NEW YORK, was as larger if not larger than he ever was despite again anyone agreeing that he used gallons of steroids during his competitive days (still does). Steroid advocates please explain to me if steroids are the magic potion to "hugeness" how could all this possibly be? It couldn't. Sure steroids will for a very short amount of time increase physical performance such as in an athletic competition. But they will not in the long-term increase muscle hypertrophy. Unless you call swelling up w/ gallons of subcutaneous edema due to a damaged liver "muscle".
Artificially elevating a person's testosterone level beyond the limits of a healthy range will NOT increase your results. All you super intelligent body is going to do is lower it's own endogenous hormone production (if your lucky).
^^^ ::)
your super intelligent body does indeed alter its mechanisms to counter it- but before it does that, the benefits are to be had.
and your body can only counter it so much. eventually it dies- thats the counter punch.
prior to that it adjusts everything it can to find homeostasis. but you are wrong about the rest of your post.
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;D and the winner is jim park...
Who's the tall guy with number 15?
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I think the biggest reason why bb'ers are so much larger now than then is bb'ers are more & more willing to pay a price in pain that is higher & higher, particularly lower body training. Its not drugs (which don't work IMO), although synthol use the ONLY way to explain arms bigger than the great Sergio Oliva's. The internet now enables many hopefuls access to much better training ideologies more than ever before no matter where they are. I don't think anyone of any significance in the 1950's-60's trained anywhere near the insane level in intensity which greats such as Tom Platz.
again with the "drugs don't work" trolling.
Give it up already man, nobody is dumb enough to buy into that... Your Hero platz would have been a total TWIG without them. Narrow girly shoulders like most guys with natural big calves, whatever man...
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Well...I'm currently 247lbs+ @ 17.5%bf & have alot of growing to do. I'm convinced I can NATURALLY put at least another 30lbs of lbm while eating very calories per day. I've used everything from sustanon, deca, fina, winny, EQ, masteron & dbol and got nothing out of it but health problems. Here's a pic of 110lbs lighter than I am now after a near fatal auto accident.
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Well...I'm currently 247lbs+ @ 17.5%bf & have alot of growing to do. I'm convinced I can NATURALLY put at least another 30lbs of lbm while eating very calories per day. I've used everything from sustanon, deca, fina, winny, EQ, masteron & dbol and got nothing out of it but health problems. Here's a pic of 110lbs lighter than I am now after a near fatal auto accident.
This dude looks better than the obese dude on the beach. You're a mildly entertaining gimmick
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In your opinion which means less than nothing to me.
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Todays bodybuilding is 90% drugs...........they work.
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I meant there is no drug which will increase the rate of hypertrophy as a result of resistance training. Its all a mind game. Hulk Hogan anyone would agree no doubt used literally gallons of steroids in his day (still does) yet he was actually larger before ever becoming famous. Ah-nuld, as evidenced by HERCULES IN NEW YORK, was as larger if not larger than he ever was despite again anyone agreeing that he used gallons of steroids during his competitive days (still does). Steroid advocates please explain to me if steroids are the magic potion to "hugeness" how could all this possibly be? It couldn't. Sure steroids will for a very short amount of time increase physical performance such as in an athletic competition. But they will not in the long-term increase muscle hypertrophy. Unless you call swelling up w/ gallons of subcutaneous edema due to a damaged liver "muscle".
Artificially elevating a person's testosterone level beyond the limits of a healthy range will NOT increase your results. All you super intelligent body is going to do is lower it's own endogenous hormone production (if your lucky).
So, are you saying it's not all drugs? What you've said does not make sense and goes against all conventional wisdom.
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Those guys had real jobs back in the day. Also the only drug that existed was testosterone and most didn't use it. They trained like dogs back then with limited equipment. Full body routines was the standard way to train and many also competed in Olympic lifting. The AAU Mr. America had athletic points you had to earn through Olympic lifting. Can you imagine anyone in the top ten Olympia who is even capable of cleaning and jerking 315lbs? I don't think most of them could do body weight.
If you think their physiques are lacking from the 50's just think how anyone in the top ten Olympia would look drug free for six months. It wouldn't be a pretty sight.
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Who's the tall guy with number 15?
Mickey Hargitay
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Historic bodybuilding Mr.World contest in Cannes 1952 :)
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Mickey Hargitay
Mariska Hargitay's (Law & Order) father.
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So, are you saying it's not all drugs? What you've said does not make sense and goes against all conventional wisdom.
That's becuz today's "conventional wisdom" is BS. F your body up...I won't feel a thing.
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If you think their physiques are lacking from the 50's just think how anyone in the top ten Olympia would look drug free for six months. It wouldn't be a pretty sight.
Weider tried that back in the 90's after the feds busted him lying about his supps & all those decades of endogenous suppression took they're toll. The physiques were less than impressive.
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;D and the winner is jim park...
http://musclememory.com/show.php?c=Mr+World+-+AAU&y=1952
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Mickey Hargitay
Apparently he was 6 ft (183 cm), which makes the rest of the contestants looks about 5 ft 4??
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If you think their physiques are lacking from the 50's just think how anyone in the top ten Olympia would look drug free for six months. It wouldn't be a pretty sight.
Weider tried that back in the 90's after the feds busted him lying about his supps & all those decades of endogenous suppression took they're toll. The physiques were less than impressive.
Surely they'd all look exactly the same? You know, because steroids don't work?
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Who's the tall guy with number 15?
Why, you think he's cute?
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Mickey Hargitay
correct
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Surely they'd all look exactly the same? You know, because steroids don't work?
After years of endogenous supression through exogenous testosterone use these men displayed the signs of permanent impairment of hormonal production.
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After years of endogenous supression through exogenous testosterone use these men displayed the signs of permanent impairment of hormonal production.
You sound like you have endogenous damage from an exogenous rod.
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Hulk-Smash is an excellent troll. Keeping up that "drugs don't work" line on a bodybuilding board is genius.
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As I've said before please use all the steroids you want (orals preferably). Just don't act surprised when at the least your the same size/strength you were before you started & eventually you'll have permanent health issues that medical science can't fix.
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fact= steroids work.... fact= they may or may not cause health issues to develop...fact= everyone's body chemistry and genetics are different...which causes your reaction to outside stimulus to work at different rates and to different degrees...and the benefits or damages the outside stimulus causes...is therefore different...
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As I've said before please use all the steroids you want (orals preferably). Just don't act surprised when at the least your the same size/strength you were before you started & eventually you'll have permanent health issues that medical science can't fix.
Hmmm maybe.
What about the hundreds of thousands or millions of people young & old
That are dependent on various steroids to maintain their health / life
( like my son, he is 13 & been taking various drugs & steroids virtually all his life so far.)
These various steroids that medical science says will help people's health & they clearly do.
Are also very clever 'Thinking Steroids' and will detect when they are being taken by people / sports men & women who do not have anything medically wrong with them & are using them only to enhance their sports performance or strength / muscle size & Then suddenly turn vicious on these people & cause them untold Harm or Death. ::) Really.
Ok I am being slightly facetious,
only you do see how silly the 'Steroids don't Work' 'Steroids will Kill You'
Arguments are.
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After years of endogenous supression through exogenous testosterone use these men displayed the signs of permanent impairment of hormonal production.
So, you claim their testosterone levels are suppressed, yet they maintain that size... what could be giving them that ability I wonder..?
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Any exogenous use of a testosterone derivative for "bodybuilding" purposes is beyond stupid. All it does is cause a proportionate corresponding decrease in endogenous hormone production. Even in HRT applications. The user is dropping a finished product in the middle of the production assembly line which invariably causes a negative-feedback loop to begin. This is because testosterone/estrogen/hgh all have parent hormones which supply the body w/ the raw materials to produce hormones from. DHEA doesn't have a parent hormone per se although it does use a progenolone metabolite.
The amazing physiques displayed by pro bb'ers are simply due to 1 in a few million highly responsive genes....thats all. Not hormone level, not diet (protein/carbs, etc.), not specific exercise routine. The sculpture Farnese Hercules was based a massive, real person as anatomical drawings didn't exist then. The Farnese Hercules is an ancient statue of Hercules, probably an enlarged copy made in the early third century AD and signed by Glykon, from an original by Lysippos (or one of his circle) that would have been made in the fourth century BC. This model demonstrates there were existing training protocols in existence even then.
This ^ is all based on the mistaken conclusion that a higher testosterone level is going to automatically equate w/ increased skeletal muscle hypertrophy as a result of strength training. If this was the case the Mr O would takes weeks to complete as we all know there are hundred of thousands of hopeful bb'ers using as you read this.
Basically the acute exercise induced increases in plasma anabolic hormones do not appear to play a primary role in enhancing anabolic signalling, protein synthesis and hypertrophy at least in the short term - i.e. increases in muscle hypertrophy appear near independant and despite these plasma increases or lack thereof. Animal models where they've ripped the testicles and pituitary glands out have still exhibited comparable hypertrophy despite the lack of circulating hormones when subjected to muscle overload. Human studies have also shown that hypertrophy occurs even without the acute increases of plasma anabolic hormones.
Local mechanisms - like intra-muscular signalling and growth factors - in response to resistance training are the dominant factors.
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So, you claim their testosterone levels are suppressed, yet they maintain that size... what could be giving them that ability I wonder..?
I strongly suspect anything Joe Weider claimed as "drug-free" is highly suspect. In 1990 the gas chromatography-mass spectrometry steroid test was nowhere near as accurate as it is now. Still all the competitors were less than they were the previous year's Mr O.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography%E2%80%93mass_spectrometry
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What's the going rate working as a supplement company shill anyway? ;)
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I use no (0) supplements. Yet I'm 247lbs & was 213 last october. Yes my waist size is smaller. Hmmmm???
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Lee Labrada interview >
What are your thoughts on the direction of professional bodybuilding since 1990? It seems like that year could have been a breakthrough year for bodybuilding if the IFBB had continued instituting drug testing. Who knows, maybe bodybuilding would have been one of the sports in the Olympic Games next year in Greece instead of being shut out indefinitely.
It could have been a breakthrough year for the professional ranks. I will tell you that on the amateur level, I think that there have been great strides made by the IFBB and the sport has become more popular and has been accepted in more countries through the efforts of Ben Weider and Rafael Santoja and the top IFBB officials.
On the professional level, I think that we missed the boat. I think that we had a real opportunity to clean up the sport and make the sport more appealing to the public. There will the pundits that say, "Well, we don't care about what the general public thinks". Well, if that's the case, then don't complain about the prize money never going up, don't complain that there aren't more endorsement opportunities in the mainstream available for professional bodybuilders, etc. Because, at the end of the day, to popularize the sport, it's going to have to be a sport that the public buys into as a legitimate sport. The rampant use of anabolic substances in the sport today is just crazy. It's really gotten worse.
Where do you think it's going to go?
Well, I think that unless the IFBB comes in and does something about it, it's just going to be status quo. Essentially, you're just going to have these professional bodybuilders taking their physiques to whatever levels possible to whatever pharmacology is available at the time regardless of health consequences.
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I use NO (0) supplements. Yet I'm 247lbs & was 213 last october. Yes my waist size is smaller. Hmmmm???
I just jabbed an hour ago. I've already put on 10lbs.
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lol scientists invented steroids to build muscles
it's not a secret ;D
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Yea...100% water. ::)
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Yea...100% water. ::)
I haven't had any.
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read this :D
Anabolic steroids were first made in the 1930s, and are now used therapeutically in medicine to stimulate muscle growth and appetite, induce male puberty and treat chronic wasting conditions, such as cancer and AIDS. The American College of Sports Medicine acknowledges that AAS, in the presence of adequate diet, can contribute to increases in body weight, often as lean mass increases and that the gains in muscular strength achieved through high-intensity exercise and proper diet can be additionally increased by the use of AAS in some individuals.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid
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lol scientists invented steroids to build muscles
it's not a secret ;D
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/anabolic-steroid-abuse/what-are-anabolic-steroids
http://www.bodybuildinginnovation.com/2010/03/steroids-invented/
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I haven't had any.
Neither do your kidneys or liver, blood too probably.
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Neither do your kidneys or liver, blood too probably.
Pish posh.
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Mickey often trained at Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym when in L.A. Same time as Reeves, Bill Smith, Scott and that skinny ass kid in the corner.....me. I trained on and on for the next 35 years and never got over 200. Then I discovered AAS at age 43 and competed upwards of 235. Drugs work. And no lasting sides that I know of...now age 75.
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http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/anabolic-steroid-abuse/what-are-anabolic-steroids
http://www.bodybuildinginnovation.com/2010/03/steroids-invented/
why do steroids even exist?
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why do steroids even exist?
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Because most people are stupid as shit w/ a physique thats just as pathetic.
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Because most people are stupid as shit w/ a physique thats just as pathetic.
powerful words from a powerful hulk
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Mickey often trained at Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym when in L.A. Same time as Reeves, Bill Smith, Scott and that skinny ass kid in the corner.....me. I trained on and on for the next 35 years and never got over 200. Then I discovered AAS at age 43 and competed upwards of 235. Drugs work. And no lasting sides that I know of...now age 75.
Excellent post.
Thanks for being open & honest.
More so as you are from that So called Golden Era.
Yes Steroids work & work Very Well.
I get the impression hulksmash is playing at Being Stupid & or Thick.
A blind man can see he has completely lost his argument.
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I simply don't give a shit if someone wants to damage they're health using fools gold. 43yr old Mr "B"'s example is simply self-prescribed HRT.
The bottom line is artifical elevation of person's testosterone level above & beyond a healthy range will not increase muscle hypertrophy as a result of resistance training. If a person is hypo gonadal or suffering from an illness/lifestyle which lowers his/her testosterone level below a healthy range of course exogenous testosterone is going to increase muscle hypertrophy.
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Mickey often trained at Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym when in L.A. Same time as Reeves, Bill Smith, Scott and that skinny ass kid in the corner.....me. I trained on and on for the next 35 years and never got over 200. Then I discovered AAS at age 43 and competed upwards of 235. Drugs work. And no lasting sides that I know of...now age 75.
Excellent post.
Thanks for being open & honest.
More so as you are from that So called Golden Era.
Yes Steroids work & work Very Well.
I get the impression hulksmash is playing at Being Stupid & or Thick.
A blind man can see he has completely lost his argument.
Agreed on both counts.
Hulk Smash weighs 247 all natty.
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Agreed on both counts.
Hulk Smash weighs 247 all fatty.
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Faxed.
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I am 100% natural as evidenced by my recent lab results (see attach.).
I currently weigh 247lbs (thin T, Hanes athletic cotton shorts, light tennis shoes (approx. 3.5lbs max.) w/ 18% bf at the very most.
My testosterone level is approx. 20% higher than avg for my age (47).
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Yep. I'm 5'8", 240lbs (not fat) yet my arms are only 16.5" while my neck is 18.25", chest 49.5", hips 46", thighs 30", calves 19". 1gal. of synthol per arm is the ONLY way I'll ever have 18" guns.
Bro I'm 5'8 (barely) & 247lbs w/ 16in. arms, 32in. thighs & a 48in. butt. It ain't too hard to figure out. My bodyfat is approx. 17.5% but most likely significantly lower.
2 inches on your legs in under 4 months, all natural. Amazing. I'll be cheering you on at the O this September.
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18% BF.......get busy on the dieting and you`ll weigh a solid 200 pounds.
You can`t flex fat !!
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My thigh measurement was slightly inaccurate. I think I got a little glute into it. I just remeasured (31in.)
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18% BF.......get busy on the dieting and you`ll weigh a solid 200 pounds.
You can`t flex fat !!
247lbs x 18% = approx. 45lbs of fat. A realistic bodyfat level for a non-comp. bb'er IMO is +/-10% bf which would be 220lbs. No one no matter how goddam stupid they are has (0%) bodyfat. They'd be dead soon.
When man’s fat percentage drops below 5 percent, the body can’t function efficiently -- as with obesity, the condition is potentially fatal.The ideal body fat percentage varies depending on your lifestyle; for example, an athlete’s body fat is lower than average.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/athlete-body-fat/
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This dude is either mentally defective or one of True Anus's gimmicks
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BY THE GODS how did this thread go so horribly wrong... ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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18% BF.......get busy on the dieting and you`ll weigh a solid 200 pounds.
You can`t flex fat !!
Yet another Arthur Jones quote >
In several cases – with extremely muscular individuals – we have been able to produce a degree of pumping that
resulted in a temporary doubling of the mass of the upper arms; after less than eight minutes of such exercise,
the arms of these subjects were swollen to literally grotesque proportions.
With a less muscular individual, a very similar degree of pumping will be produced but will not be so obvious –
because a large part of the mass of the arms will be fatty tissue (which, of course, does not pump as a result of
exercise), and the actually muscular mass of the arms may represent as little as fifty per cent of the total mass of
the same limbs.
In a similar vein, we have long noted that there is very little difference in the measurement of a "fat" arm
hanging in a straight and relaxed position and the measurement of the same arm in a bent and flexed position; a
recent visitor had a relaxed upper-arm measurement of 18 1/8 inches and a flexed measurement of 18 1/4 inches
– a difference of only 1/8 of an inch. When he asked me why there was such a small difference, I told him, "...
because you can't flex fat."
The bodyfat I have is definitely not from over-eating or a poor diet I assure you. Its from age. But it is dropping slowly but surely & the muscle mass keeps going up & up...100 naturally! :D
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Yet another Arthur Jones quote >
In several cases – with extremely muscular individuals – we have been able to produce a degree of pumping that
resulted in a temporary doubling of the mass of the upper arms; after less than eight minutes of such exercise,
the arms of these subjects were swollen to literally grotesque proportions.
With a less muscular individual, a very similar degree of pumping will be produced but will not be so obvious –
because a large part of the mass of the arms will be fatty tissue (which, of course, does not pump as a result of
exercise), and the actually muscular mass of the arms may represent as little as fifty per cent of the total mass of
the same limbs.
In a similar vein, we have long noted that there is very little difference in the measurement of a "fat" arm
hanging in a straight and relaxed position and the measurement of the same arm in a bent and flexed position; a
recent visitor had a relaxed upper-arm measurement of 18 1/8 inches and a flexed measurement of 18 1/4 inches
– a difference of only 1/8 of an inch. When he asked me why there was such a small difference, I told him, "...
because you can't flex fat."
The bodyfat I have is definitely not from over-eating or a poor diet I assure you. Its from age. But it is dropping slowly but surely & the muscle mass keeps going up & up...100 naturally! :D
aj
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Casey was one unique individual. Sad that he threw it all away listening to gym idiots & Mentzer's crazy ass.
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I use no (0) supplements. Yet I'm 247lbs & was 213 last october. Yes my waist size is smaller. Hmmmm???
You constantly make claims about the progress and level you have achieved naturally but never once have you posted a recent picture to confirm and prove your claims. Why?
One would think that if someone actually accomplished something they would want to show it. All these bodybuilding, fitness, diet programs would be meaningless if they didn't include pictures of their clients results.
Your claims are equally meaningless.
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aj
So the difference of Casey off and seriously on gear was 46 pounds?
With Arnold it was about 30 lbs I think
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You constantly make claims about the progress and level you have achieved naturally but never once have you posted a recent picture to confirm and prove your claims. Why?
One would think that if someone actually accomplished something they would want to show it. All these bodybuilding, fitness, diet programs would be meaningless if they didn't include pictures of their clients results.
Your claims are equally meaningless.
He's a troll.
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You constantly make claims about the progress and level you have achieved naturally but never once have you posted a recent picture to confirm and prove your claims. Why?
One would think that if someone actually accomplished something they would want to show it. All these bodybuilding, fitness, diet programs would be meaningless if they didn't include pictures of their clients results.
Your claims are equally meaningless.
Bro when your 5'8" & near 250lbs unless your <10% bf you ain't gonna have a very aesthetic appearance. I love the progress I'm making NATURALLY & women seem to like my body. I'm not THAT self-absorbed to use absolutely anything to get & maintain an unrealistic/unhealthy physique or to constantly stayed tan & shaved so I can walk around in a skin tight AFFLICTION T-shirt. My main priority is my disabled son. I haven't lifted weights in weeks & don't plan to anytime soon. I have a very low tolerance for bodybuilding.
Once I have my physique where I want it I'll probably take a few pics. Then....
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He's a troll.
Yup, troll, gimmick, a wanna be, never gonna be...
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Hulk-smash is right on the money in his statements. Sad fact is most members here don't even know how to understand information.
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jim park the winner , he used to be pictured on the hoffman hi-protein containers...
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jim park the winner , he used to be pictured on the hoffman hi-protein containers...
You sound old.
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You sound old.
old as the hills :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)i've seen arnold go from this to that...
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old as the hills :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)i've seen arnold go from this to that...
In that first pic he wasn't taking steroids yet and did a three day a week full nody workout.
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Bro when your 5'8" & near 250lbs unless your <10% bf you ain't gonna have a very aesthetic appearance. I love the progress I'm making NATURALLY & women seem to like my body. I'm not THAT self-absorbed to use absolutely anything to get & maintain an unrealistic/unhealthy physique or to constantly stayed tan & shaved so I can walk around in a skin tight AFFLICTION T-shirt. My main priority is my disabled son. I haven't lifted weights in weeks & don't plan to anytime soon. I have a very low tolerance for bodybuilding.
Once I have my physique where I want it I'll probably take a few pics. Then....
OK, so you make all these claims about what you have achieved naturally and it turns out you don't even train nor do you plan to anytime soon. But one day you'll have the physique you want.
You said you are 47 years old, right?
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The average juice/whey head blindly pumps the same weights day in - day out showing little if any significant progress. You reach a point eventually when you have to realize when its time to backoff. As evidenced in this article quote >
In my peripheral vision I saw movement. Someone had just come through the back door of an adjacent room. I glanced to my left. And there was Casey Viator. He paused to speak with someone, and I had a moment to sit there, unnoticed, stunned. It looked as though someone had stretched Saran Wrap over an inverted pile of cannonballs, pulled a blue Polo shirt over it, and stuck a human head on top. Dozens of photographs of him, in contest shape no less, had not prepared me for what I beheld.
I stood and shook his hand when he came over, and he bade me in his Cajun-influenced voice to follow him. For reasons that still escape me, he took me to a prototype squat machine, even though I was there simply to ask him about his training. He told me to stand on the machine and press my feet down against the foot-pads in alternate fashion, and then he left. Shortly after I finished, my hips and thighs on fire, he came back and took me on a tour of the facility. I was too shy to insist on having the conversation I'd come for.
I did manage to say something related to training, though, because I remember distinctly his turning to me and saying that he hadn't touched a weight in two years. This was a startling statement, given his condition.
I also forced myself to ask him about whether he had taken steroids before winning the Mr. America in 1971. Even at that early point in my bodybuilding career, I was used to champions ducking the question in print by saying something along the lines of, "No, I don't recommend taking steroids."
Casey stopped and said a plain, "No. Arthur doesn't stand for it. I think only one man has ever gotten away with it. That was Sergio Oliva about four, five years ago. There wasn't any damn time for him to get his body to return to normal hormone production before the damn contest in London. So, Arthur made an exception." (Damn was a much-used adjective for Casey.)
I was left with the impression that Casey had never used steroids at all to that point, although I cannot say for sure, since he had been active in regional and national contests before coming to work for Jones. That agreement took place after the 1970 Mr. America contest. But given the close scrutiny by Jones when he personally trained him, it seems doubtful Casey lied to me about using growth drugs. Jones was bound and determined to show the world what brief, drug-free training on Nautilus machines could do. Though Jones repeatedly made the point that Casey was no normal man on the genetic scale, what he wished to show was the possibility of dramatic improvement. Casey simply made it all the more noticeable. He seemed to improve every week that he didn't slack off, which reportedly occurred when Jones turned his attention elsewhere. When Casey was supervised, he gained muscle workout after workout.
Source > http://www.davedraper.com/arthur-jones-and-casey-viator-by-wedan.html
Yep 47yrs old.
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18% BF.......get busy on the dieting and you`ll weigh a solid 200 pounds.
You can`t flex fat !!
Which means he's probably around 25% body fat and to get show ready he would be lucky to be at the higher end of middleweight.
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You sound old.
bluto?
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In that first pic he wasn't taking steroids yet and did a three day a week full nody workout.
You mean Arnold? He was popping dianabol at age 16.
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I meant there is no drug which will increase the rate of hypertrophy as a result of resistance training. Its all a mind game. Hulk Hogan anyone would agree no doubt used literally gallons of steroids in his day (still does) yet he was actually larger before ever becoming famous. Ah-nuld, as evidenced by HERCULES IN NEW YORK, was as larger if not larger than he ever was despite again anyone agreeing that he used gallons of steroids during his competitive days (still does). Steroid advocates please explain to me if steroids are the magic potion to "hugeness" how could all this possibly be? It couldn't. Sure steroids will for a very short amount of time increase physical performance such as in an athletic competition. But they will not in the long-term increase muscle hypertrophy. Unless you call swelling up w/ gallons of subcutaneous edema due to a damaged liver "muscle".
Artificially elevating a person's testosterone level beyond the limits of a healthy range will NOT increase your results. All you super intelligent body is going to do is lower it's own endogenous hormone production (if your lucky).
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Somebody who gets it.
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old as the hills :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)i've seen arnold go from this to that...
and back again ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)