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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2015, 07:28:42 AM »
After years of endogenous supression through exogenous testosterone use these men displayed the signs of permanent impairment of hormonal production.

You sound like you have endogenous damage from an exogenous rod.
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2015, 07:57:34 AM »
Hulk-Smash is an excellent troll. Keeping up that "drugs don't work" line on a bodybuilding board is genius.

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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2015, 08:06:02 AM »
As I've said before please use all the steroids you want (orals preferably).  Just don't act surprised when at the least your the same size/strength you were before you started & eventually you'll have permanent health issues that medical science can't fix.
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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2015, 08:53:03 AM »
fact= steroids work.... fact= they may or may not cause health issues to develop...fact= everyone's body chemistry and genetics are different...which causes your reaction to outside stimulus to work at different rates and to different degrees...and the benefits or damages the outside stimulus causes...is therefore different...
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2015, 02:37:56 PM »
As I've said before please use all the steroids you want (orals preferably).  Just don't act surprised when at the least your the same size/strength you were before you started & eventually you'll have permanent health issues that medical science can't fix.















Hmmm maybe.
What about the hundreds of thousands or millions of people young & old
That are dependent on various steroids to maintain their health / life
( like my son, he is 13 & been taking various drugs & steroids virtually all his life so far.)

These various steroids that medical science says will help people's health & they clearly do.
Are also very clever 'Thinking Steroids' and will detect when they are being taken by people / sports men & women who do not have anything medically wrong with them & are using them only to enhance their sports performance or strength / muscle size & Then suddenly turn vicious on these people & cause them untold Harm or Death.  ::) Really.

Ok I am being slightly facetious,
only you do see how silly the 'Steroids don't Work' 'Steroids will Kill You' 
Arguments are.
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Re: mr world 1952...
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2015, 02:43:06 PM »
After years of endogenous supression through exogenous testosterone use these men displayed the signs of permanent impairment of hormonal production.

So, you claim their testosterone levels are suppressed, yet they maintain that size... what could be giving them that ability I wonder..?

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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2015, 02:49:48 PM »
Any exogenous use of a testosterone derivative for "bodybuilding" purposes is beyond stupid.  All it does is cause a proportionate corresponding decrease in endogenous hormone production.  Even in HRT applications.  The user is dropping a finished product in the middle of the production assembly line which invariably causes a negative-feedback loop to begin.  This is because testosterone/estrogen/hgh all have parent hormones which supply the body w/ the raw materials to produce hormones from.  DHEA doesn't have a parent hormone per se although it does use a progenolone metabolite.

The amazing physiques displayed by pro bb'ers are simply due to 1 in a few million highly responsive genes....thats all.  Not hormone level, not diet (protein/carbs, etc.), not specific exercise routine.  The sculpture Farnese Hercules was based a massive, real person as anatomical drawings didn't exist then.  The Farnese Hercules is an ancient statue of Hercules, probably an enlarged copy made in the early third century AD and signed by Glykon, from an original by Lysippos (or one of his circle) that would have been made in the fourth century BC.  This model demonstrates there were existing training protocols in existence even then.

This ^ is all based on the mistaken conclusion that a higher testosterone level is going to automatically equate w/ increased skeletal muscle hypertrophy as a result of strength training.  If this was the case the Mr O would takes weeks to complete as we all know there are hundred of thousands of hopeful bb'ers using as you read this.

Basically the acute exercise induced increases in plasma anabolic hormones do not appear to play a primary role in enhancing anabolic signalling, protein synthesis and hypertrophy at least in the short term - i.e. increases in muscle hypertrophy appear near independant and despite these plasma increases or lack thereof. Animal models where they've ripped the testicles and pituitary glands out have still exhibited comparable hypertrophy despite the lack of circulating hormones when subjected to muscle overload. Human studies have also shown that hypertrophy occurs even without the acute increases of plasma anabolic hormones.

Local mechanisms - like intra-muscular signalling and growth factors - in response to resistance training are the dominant factors.
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2015, 02:55:58 PM »
So, you claim their testosterone levels are suppressed, yet they maintain that size... what could be giving them that ability I wonder..?

I strongly suspect anything Joe Weider claimed as "drug-free" is highly suspect.  In 1990 the gas chromatography-mass spectrometry steroid test was nowhere near as accurate as it is now.  Still all the competitors were less than they were the previous year's Mr O.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_chromatography%E2%80%93mass_spectrometry
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2015, 02:58:57 PM »
What's the going rate working as a supplement company shill anyway?  ;)

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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2015, 03:00:45 PM »
I use no (0) supplements.  Yet I'm 247lbs & was 213 last october. Yes my waist size is smaller. Hmmmm???
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2015, 03:04:09 PM »
Lee Labrada interview >

What are your thoughts on the direction of professional bodybuilding since 1990? It seems like that year could have been a breakthrough year for bodybuilding if the IFBB had continued instituting drug testing. Who knows, maybe bodybuilding would have been one of the sports in the Olympic Games next year in Greece instead of being shut out indefinitely.

It could have been a breakthrough year for the professional ranks. I will tell you that on the amateur level, I think that there have been great strides made by the IFBB and the sport has become more popular and has been accepted in more countries through the efforts of Ben Weider and Rafael Santoja and the top IFBB officials.

On the professional level, I think that we missed the boat. I think that we had a real opportunity to clean up the sport and make the sport more appealing to the public. There will the pundits that say, "Well, we don't care about what the general public thinks". Well, if that's the case, then don't complain about the prize money never going up, don't complain that there aren't more endorsement opportunities in the mainstream available for professional bodybuilders, etc. Because, at the end of the day, to popularize the sport, it's going to have to be a sport that the public buys into as a legitimate sport. The rampant use of anabolic substances in the sport today is just crazy. It's really gotten worse.
Where do you think it's going to go?

Well, I think that unless the IFBB comes in and does something about it, it's just going to be status quo. Essentially, you're just going to have these professional bodybuilders taking their physiques to whatever levels possible to whatever pharmacology is available at the time regardless of health consequences.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2015, 03:04:42 PM »
I use NO (0) supplements.  Yet I'm 247lbs & was 213 last october. Yes my waist size is smaller. Hmmmm???

I just jabbed an hour ago. I've already put on 10lbs.

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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2015, 03:05:41 PM »
lol scientists invented steroids to build muscles

it's not a secret  ;D
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2015, 03:05:56 PM »
Yea...100% water. ::)
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2015, 03:09:15 PM »
Yea...100% water. ::)

I haven't had any.

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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2015, 03:09:27 PM »
read this  :D

Anabolic steroids were first made in the 1930s, and are now used therapeutically in medicine to stimulate muscle growth and appetite, induce male puberty and treat chronic wasting conditions, such as cancer and AIDS. The American College of Sports Medicine acknowledges that AAS, in the presence of adequate diet, can contribute to increases in body weight, often as lean mass increases and that the gains in muscular strength achieved through high-intensity exercise and proper diet can be additionally increased by the use of AAS in some individuals.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid
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Re: mr world 1952...
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2015, 03:12:39 PM »
I haven't had any.

Neither do your kidneys or liver, blood too probably.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2015, 03:13:46 PM »
Neither do your kidneys or liver, blood too probably.

Pish posh.

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2015, 03:14:12 PM »
Mickey often trained at Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym when in L.A. Same time as Reeves, Bill Smith, Scott and that skinny ass kid in the corner.....me. I trained on and on for the next 35 years and never got over 200. Then I discovered AAS at age 43 and competed upwards of 235. Drugs work. And no lasting sides that I know of...now age 75.


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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2015, 03:27:41 PM »
why do steroids even exist?

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Because most people are stupid as shit w/ a physique thats just as pathetic.
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2015, 03:29:52 PM »
Because most people are stupid as shit w/ a physique thats just as pathetic.

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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2015, 03:41:42 PM »
Mickey often trained at Bert Goodrich Hollywood Gym when in L.A. Same time as Reeves, Bill Smith, Scott and that skinny ass kid in the corner.....me. I trained on and on for the next 35 years and never got over 200. Then I discovered AAS at age 43 and competed upwards of 235. Drugs work. And no lasting sides that I know of...now age 75.













Excellent post.
Thanks for being open & honest.
More so as you are from that So called Golden Era.

Yes Steroids work & work Very Well.

I get the impression hulksmash is playing at Being Stupid & or Thick.
A blind man can see he has completely lost his argument.

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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2015, 03:46:36 PM »
I simply don't give a shit if someone wants to damage they're health using fools gold.  43yr old Mr "B"'s example is simply self-prescribed HRT. 

The bottom line is artifical elevation of person's testosterone level above & beyond a healthy range will not increase muscle hypertrophy as a result of resistance training.  If a person is hypo gonadal or suffering from an illness/lifestyle which lowers his/her testosterone level below a healthy range of course exogenous testosterone is going to increase muscle hypertrophy.
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