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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: YearsGoneBy on March 01, 2006, 07:48:05 PM
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Thoughts?
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Behind the back shrugs.
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stupid fucking thread.
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it should be named "useless fucking thread"
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it should be named "useless fucking thread"
yes.
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Stop sniveling
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I like the one where they hold a 10lb dumbell perpendicular to their body to the side. With their arm bent at the elbow...and then twist their arm, moving their forearm up and down.
So like this (top-down view):
d
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d= dumbell
0= the top of their head
Too hard to explain, too fucked up to do
you mean. . .a tricep extention?
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you mean. . .a tricep extention?
No, think of a "relaxed" front pose in bodybuilding.
Stretch out your arms away from your body, so you look like a cross. Now bend your elbows so your fingers are pointing at the ground. Now move ONLY your forearms 90 degrees and back down again.
It is useless for bodybuilding, but it's done to warm up the rotator cuff before benching.
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The bench press is useless to bodybuilders. It's just a way to get injured. And before you start going, "Ronnie benches, blah, blah, blah" - well I'll tell you, Ronnie does a whole shit load of exercises for the chest and so did Arnold. Bench press mostly works triceps and front deltoids, and it's a good way to become the next Federov. Even our own Mr. Intenseone fucked himself up doing this.
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I see so many guys doing dumbell kickbacks with 10 lb. dumbells thinking they are going to build huge triceps that way. I have never done kickbacks ever, and triceps are my best bodypart. Total waste of time, with so many other great exercises out there. ::)
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agreed. I don't know about reverse grip military presses either?
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everything is useless if you dont eat enough
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The bench press is useless to bodybuilders. It's just a way to get injured. And before you start going, "Ronnie benches, blah, blah, blah" - well I'll tell you, Ronnie does a whole shit load of exercises for the chest and so did Arnold. Bench press mostly works triceps and front deltoids, and it's a good way to become the next Federov. Even our own Mr. Intenseone fucked himself up doing this.
amount of work on idividual muscles depends on physiolgy as well
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Even our own Mr. Intenseone fucked himself up doing this.
Yep, and like an idiot, I was doing close grip bench and did it again (not as bad) on Saturday!
Flame on!
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Yep, and like an idiot, I was doing close grip bench and did it again (not as bad) on Saturday!
Flame on!
hahahahahahaha! good for ya!
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Super found out that doing Kegels would not solve his bedwetting. So sad.
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Super found out that doing Kegels would not solve his bedwetting. So sad.
lame ::)
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Lame is the word that describes your sexual prowess. At least that's what your dad said.
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Lame is the word that describes your sexual prowess. At least that's what your dad said.
damn you're a creepy dude!....where do you live so i can alert the schools?
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Dude? Are you a surfer? Love Keanu Reeves? Witless dolt.
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Dude? Are you a surfer? Love Keanu Reeves? Witless dolt.
wow! your post just scream RETARD!
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just scream? Queer way of talking don't you agree? By the way, screams is the word that you would use. Poltroon.
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just scream? Queer way of talking don't you agree? By the way, screams is the word that you would use. Poltroon.
ok I"m convinced........you're alexxx's retarded older brother!
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And I'm convinced that you are Michael Jackson's pillow.
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The bench press is useless to bodybuilders. It's just a way to get injured. And before you start going, "Ronnie benches, blah, blah, blah" - well I'll tell you, Ronnie does a whole shit load of exercises for the chest and so did Arnold. Bench press mostly works triceps and front deltoids, and it's a good way to become the next Federov. Even our own Mr. Intenseone fucked himself up doing this.
HOW BOUT JUST FOR YOUR AVERAGE WEIGHTLIFTER I HEARD BAR BENCH PRESS GIVES YOU NUTHIN BUT SHOULDER PROBLEMS WICH I FOUND OUT THE HARD WAY BLOWING OUT MY SHOULDER AND STRAINING MY BICEP BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I HAVE HEARD THAT BENCH BAR IS A GREAT MUSCLE BUILDER WHO TO BELIVE MAYNE??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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I think that the bench depends on your elbow placement.
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I think that the bench depends on your elbow placement.
HAVE ALWAYS GONE 90 DEGREES AN BACK UP MAYNE
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I definitely feel a difference when I do military presses with my elbows forward then back..same with bench. The problem is that will also affect the muscle you're trying to work.
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what great chests have been built without benching? ::) i dont understand these people saying bench press only works front delts ??? , ive been benching for years and chest is my best part, and i have weak delts. inclines hit your delts more, but its still mostly chest. NOTHING puts on pec mass like bench presses, nothing, and they arent nearly as hazardous as other lifts like deadlifts, squats, and behind the neck stuff.
you must be doing them wrong.
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Flat bar bench, who invented this one, I wanna kill em!
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Who said it ONLY works front deltoids? Sure wasn't me.
It works triceps, deltoids, and chest to a lesser extent.
As predicted, someone chimed in with, "all great chest are built with a bench press." So predictable. All great chest were built with a shit load of exercises - bench press being just one of them.
Look at the "massive" chest on some of these weightlifters that focus on bench pressing. LOL. Their chest are not even close to the development of a bodybuilders chest.
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I think hand placement has a lot to do with it too.
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What about the guys at the gym that bench everyday.. wasup with dat..
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Ego, ego, ego
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you must be doing them wrong.
[/quote]I DONT KNOW I HAVE ALWAYS GONE 90 DEGREES AND IN THE MID RANGE OF CHEST MAYBE IM GOIN TO HEAVY I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH MAYNE
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hahahahahahaha! good for ya!
But the difference is what I was using would have pinned your narrow ass :-\!
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jelquing.
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The bench press is an excellent chest exercise. Pretty much all the great chests were built with barbell bench presses.
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Even Pam Anderson's?
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WHAT ABOUT DIPS I LOVE DOIN THEM AND ON ONE SIDE I HAVE HEARD THAT THEY ARE A GREAT TOTAL BODY EXCERSISE BUT ON THE OTHER HAND I HAVE HEARD ITS MURDER ON THE STABILIZER MUSCLES!!!!!!!! SPEAK ON DAT!
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Dip problems depend on width and how deep you go.
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what great chests have been built without benching? ::) i dont understand these people saying bench press only works front delts ??? , ive been benching for years and chest is my best part, and i have weak delts. inclines hit your delts more, but its still mostly chest. NOTHING puts on pec mass like bench presses, nothing, and they arent nearly as hazardous as other lifts like deadlifts, squats, and behind the neck stuff.
you must be doing them wrong.
I didn't bench for years and was able too put on plenty of pec mass from heavy flys, weighted dips, and inclines. Now for STRENGTH nothing beats the B.P but it's not needed for pec size.
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you build great pecs with machines, not bench press....
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Tricep Kickback.
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I have to disagree with the tricept kick back as a useless exercise... you really have to squeeze it at the tend of the movement and keep your elbow still.... it works for me
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Those thigh adductor machines.
In the case of the flat bench I think it has more to do with body mechanics. My chest gets cloes to nothing on flat bench but when I switched to dumbbells I noticed a big change. Everybody is different you can't write off one thing totally as it might work for some and not for others
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as many of you will be shocked!!!
cable crossover for chest is only good to warm up the pec muscles, other than that is USELESS!!!
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Crossovers are one of the top pec exercises if you're taking the time to feel the muscle and use good form.
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hipolito u are a fuckign retard...
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Swiss ball anything .........Dont know why, but its always guys weighing under 160 (with the IPod on the arm band) ::) who do a lot of stuff on these things. Most of them say, LOL, that they have built 'Enough muscle' and basically want a strong core.
(http://www.fatdog.ca/articles/images/23_start.jpg)
But then again, if you want to be built like a Beast, with BRUTAL SIZETM & MONSTER TRICEPSTM(Courtesy of Sarcasm), I suppose there's no avoiding them as can be seen below
(http://www.personalpowertraining.net/PICT0024.JPG)(http://www.personalpowertraining.net/PICT0026.JPG)
Those arn't BB exercises :-\!
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how bout the d-bags who stretch hamstring before doing 95 pounds on bench.pretty sure you don't need your hams warmed up.
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But the difference is what I was using would have pinned your narrow ass :-\!
wanna bet?
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I tryed swiss ball squats once (for amusement purposes) this is by far the most dangerous exercise ever! i saw a pic of a guy doing 135lbs squats on one! i nearly did my self in just using the bar. this exercise has it all and should win the "most useless award"
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I have see men and wemon due this, and they are always out of shape.
Where they hold a dumb bell in one hand then bend down to the ground in the direction of the dumbell.
Dose that do any thing for you ?
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I have see men and wemon due this, and they are always out of shape.
Where they hold a dumb bell in one hand then bend down to the ground in the direction of the dumbell.
Dose that do any thing for you ?
gives me a bad back
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I like the one where they hold a 10lb dumbell perpendicular to their body to the side. With their arm bent at the elbow...and then twist their arm, moving their forearm up and down.
So like this (top-down view):
d
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|--0--|
d= dumbell
0= the top of their head
Too hard to explain, too fucked up to do
Although it looks stupid and useless but it is mainly for strenthening the rotator cuff after injury or some people use it to strengthen the area to bench more weight.....My buddy is an ex pro hockey player and has had multiple shoulder surgeries so he does this all the time...
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agreed with swiss ball anything. whats up with the bench thoughts. to bench or not to bench, that is the question. can great chest be built with flyes and dips alone. does incline get included with falt, db's?
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But the difference is what I was using would have pinned your narrow ass :-\!
I have seen a pic of Superstar...he is a mass monster the likes of which a simple man such as yourself could not begin to fathom. Superstar eats 5 lbs of red meat and shits out bricks with better physiques than you hahahaha
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Yes Bossa, Superstar would own little bitches like mr intensone.
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Those arn't BB exercises :-\!
Who cares about BB?? Just look at what a guy with a Strong core looks like. The man's a winner :D
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I have seen a pic of Superstar...he is a mass monster the likes of which a simple man such as yourself could not begin to fathom. Superstar eats 5 lbs of red meat and shits out bricks with better physiques than you hahahaha
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I have seen a pic of Superstar...he is a mass monster the likes of which a simple man such as yourself could not begin to fathom. Superstar eats 5 lbs of red meat and shits out bricks with better physiques than you hahahaha
Yeah...well I eat 2x4's and shit sawdust :P!
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Whats wrong with kickbacks, i do them at the end of my arm workout and it really makes the back head of the tricep burn if you do it correctly, Flat benchs kinda suck in my opinion but i still do them light toward the end of my chest workout and dont let the bar touch my chest or lockout my elbows, i go more for the pump.
Worst exercise though is behind the back barball shrugs
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Yeah...well I eat 2x4's and shit sawdust :P!
hahaha! now that was actually funny!
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The most useless BB exercise has to be strangling your housemate. I just don't see any benefits from that one. Plus, you have a lot of downside.
Special "FreeKellyRyan.com" Ed
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Okay here's the answer: if your chest doesn't feel it, it ain't workin! ALL PROS WILL SAY THIS! You gotta feel it to make it work. 'Nuff Said!
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Okay here's the answer: if your chest doesn't feel it, it ain't workin! ALL PROS WILL SAY THIS! You gotta feel it to make it work. 'Nuff Said!
fascinating ::)
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http://www.thebullworker.com/
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The most useless BB exercise has to be strangling your housemate. I just don't see any benefits from that one. Plus, you have a lot of downside.
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Brilliant!
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Look at the "massive" chest on some of these weightlifters that focus on bench pressing. LOL. Their chest are not even close to the development of a bodybuilders chest.
underneath the fat they are. just because they are not deathly lean and the cross striations arent visible doesnt mean they dont have tremendous chest development. you think they are benching 600+lbs with underdeveloped chests?
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None...everything has a place if it works.
i feel my chest working very well when doing flat bench, never had any shoulder problems in almost 8 years of going heavy. i think most people do it wrong in several different ways. i can do 5 sets of BB flat bench and my chest is sore the next day. remember to use your chest buy squeezing the muscle together on the way up. there is more to bodybuilding than just pushing weight.
8)
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It's not just a matter of doing benches wrong, some just won't respond to it and/or find it grinds down the shoulders. I haven't done benches for about 20 years.
Even for someone who likes benches, I have the feeling that dumbbell flat benches are better.
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hipolito u are a fuckign retard...
And u don't listen to the professionals.
Thank you Mama guevo.
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Crossovers are one of the top pec exercises if you're taking the time to feel the muscle and use good form.
U can take all the time u want and use the best form in the world...............
stop using it for a year or two and u won't tell a difference!! your chest will look just the same.
That's free advice.
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Considering the source and my superior judgement to yours, that gem is jettisoned faster than a nice dump. ::)
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underneath the fat they are. just because they are not deathly lean and the cross striations arent visible doesnt mean they dont have tremendous chest development. you think they are benching 600+lbs with underdeveloped chests?
A weightlifter's chest would be even smaller than it is already if they cut down. I mean compared to a bodybuilder of course. Bench works chest, but it primarily works deltoids and triceps.
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Bench works miracles for some and not for others.
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Actually, I've noticed that a lot of bodybuilders nowadays have very weak chests. I wonder why?
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By no means do they have "weak" chests, it's just that development on other parts of the body seems to have move ahead more than pecs.
The reasons have been discussed, with no compelling answers. It might be just the genetics of this generation.
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People attribute the well developed chest of bodybuilders to the bench press - but the fact is, bodybuilders do many exercises for the chest. Look at weightlifters that only do the bench press - and their chest look small compared to an IFBB pro.
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I see so many guys doing dumbell kickbacks with 10 lb. dumbells thinking they are going to build huge triceps that way. I have never done kickbacks ever, and triceps are my best bodypart. Total waste of time, with so many other great exercises out there. ::)
think outside the box...try doing drop sets with tricep kickbacks using tons of weight with slight cheating..
grab 80s to failure
drop to 70s to failure
to 60s to failure
then pick up 30s to failure
do that twice through and tell me that kickbacks are no good...
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Kickbacks are a good secondary exercise. To get more out of them, do either:
-1-arm kickbacks, with the free hand braced against the back of the working arm, to take the rear delt out of it and use more weight.
-2-arm kickbacks while wearing an arm blaster, same effect.
Also try using cables.
Swinging the weight a little would help, you have to go heavier to make it work.
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HOW BOUT BEHIND THE HEAD MILITARY PRESS AND BEHIND THE HEAD LAT PULLDOWN
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HOW BOUT BEHIND THE HEAD MILITARY PRESS AND BEHIND THE HEAD LAT PULLDOWN
only real man can do behind the head presses.....
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HOW BOUT BEHIND THE HEAD MILITARY PRESS AND BEHIND THE HEAD LAT PULLDOWN
Those are awesome, i do them somtimes as a superset with side laterals, and the pulldown after i reach failure during pullups.
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Honestly, a person's overall body mechanics are as unique as their fingerprint. SO different exercises are going to have a slightly different effect for different people. You just have to use trial and error to find what works best for you.
I feel benches (flat barbell and incline DB) and flyes pretty well. Crossovers do next to nothing for me personally. And I've been benching for 25 years and my shoulders are just fine. You just work on refining your form to get the most out of whatever exercise you do, and focus on feeling the movement and mentally focusing the stress on the target muscles, rather than just moving the weight up and down.
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A strong candidate for the most USELESS BB exercise is the DECLINE BB bench press.
Who in the hell wants to develop their lower pecs??!
In addition, it can be DEADLY to attempt max. poundage decline BB BP's unassisted!! Why, one top powerlifter in the 80's (I believe) was found dead...pinned under a 440 lb. BB in the decline BP position. At least, if you are doing unassisted flat BP's and get stuck, you can drop one side of the loaded bar to the floor, and roll the bar down to your waist/hip area and sit up and remove the bar. However, with the decline BP you end up with the bar "stuck" across your throat!
These BB BP common sense "safety comments" apply only to the legions of weight-trainers who train ALONE in home gyms w/o a power rack.
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A weightlifter's chest would be even smaller than it is already if they cut down. I mean compared to a bodybuilder of course. Bench works chest, but it primarily works deltoids and triceps.
this is utterly wrong.
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mansonvier probably couldn't bench 185lbs so he quit benching. ;D
useless exercises: peck dec, leg extensions, and a bunch of abs exercises
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A strong candidate for the most USELESS BB exercise is the DECLINE BB bench press.
Who in the hell wants to develop their lower pecs??!
In addition, it can be DEADLY to attempt max. poundage decline BB BP's unassisted!! Why, one top powerlifter in the 80's (I believe) was found dead...pinned under a 440 lb. BB in the decline BP position. At least, if you are doing unassisted flat BP's and get stuck, you can drop one side of the loaded bar to the floor, and roll the bar down to your waist/hip area and sit up and remove the bar. However, with the decline BP you end up with the bar "stuck" across your throat!
These BB BP common sense "safety comments" apply only to the legions of weight-trainers who train ALONE in home gyms w/o a power rack.
I am citing you for multiple infractions. See you in court, pal.
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I am citing you for multiple infractions. See you in court, pal.
nice aviator meltdown that is tha shit!! "you will respect my authouritaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!"
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Yep, and like an idiot, I was doing close grip bench and did it again (not as bad) on Saturday!
Flame on!
Close grip benches are a good way to fuck up your wrists.
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Close grip benches are a good way to f**k up your wrists.
True, specially if u want to take b.b seriously for more than a decade.
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Close grip benches are a good way to f**k up your wrists.
well if that happens then your doing them too close...12 inches apart are as close as one should do with these...You shouldn't feel them on the wrist what so ever..
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I think Kegel exercises are useless. I've been doing them for ten years, and I've never won Best Kegels in a contest.
Special "Your Eethra" Ed