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I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine
There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?
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According to the Arnold v yates thread there's been huge leaps in diet and supps, love to find out what they are my self ::)
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Cr is THE only supp which works. Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.
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Cr is THE only supp which works. Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.
What about DHEA?
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Cr is THE only supp which works. Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.
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People that let a bunch of low-IQ pencil necks in Congress decide your morality. Oh brother.
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What about DHEA?
Read a lot about vit D increasing gains and natural test levels.
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Ginseng in combination with caffeine is a great natural Test-Booster. I'm not kidding, give it a try.
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DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as w/ medically prescribed testosterone use most certainly does even w/ hypo-gonadal men. Exogenous hormonal supplementation of a non-parental hormone will always cause a negative feedback in the HPTA loop. This sets into motion a host of ill health effects. Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials. DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone. Its an anti-aging hormone. Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken. It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.
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Any supplement that work ends up being classified as a steroid and taken off the shelves.
...PIP Andro :'(
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^ this
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Cr is THE only supp which works. Everything else, including protein, only work to line the pockets of those who market them.
Creatine makes you hold a little water, which gives you better leverage, and so, a little more strength while you are taking it. That might translate into a little bit more muscle.
Ephedrine, for energy and focus. But it is basically a lesser form of speed. Most any stimulants are the same.
Other than that, I'd say nothing. All that smilax, gamma oryzynol, MetRx, Cybergenics, MuscoMXT, Metabolol, etc. type stuff is snake oil. They should put the people making it in jail as fraudsters and scammers. Instead they spend money busting people selling the things that actually work.
Protein powders and weight gainers "work" in the same way food works. More calories and protein in them might help you grow and they are more convenient than cooking meat. Meat is better though.
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DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use. Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials. DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone. Its an anti-aging hormone. Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken. It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.
What does it do that is helpful if it doesn't build muscle?
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DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use. Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials. DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone. Its an anti-aging hormone. Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken. It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.
What's your opinion of 7-KETO DHEA?
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DHEA is a parent hormone which supplementation w/ doesn't cause endogenous suppression, as even medically prescribed testosterone use. Which explains all the ambulance chaser TV commercials. DHEA is NOT a bb'ing hormone. Its an anti-aging hormone. Anyone who mega-doses DHEA thinking its going to increase muscle mass is mistaken. It truly is an OTC miracle I am sooo grateful for to the FDA.
Why is it a miracle if it doesn't do anything?
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I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine
There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?
define "work" no offense but its a retarded question. Think about why that is
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What does it do that is helpful if it doesn't build muscle?
"Building Muscle" does little or nothing to slow or stop the age process.
http://thehormonedoctor.com/hormones/dhea/
http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/533-dhea-the-most-versatile-hormone
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/health/is-dhea-a-better-way-to-raise-testosterone-20130702
Attached are my latest DHEA levels which are closer to where I want them.
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"Building Muscle" does little or nothing to slow or stop the age process.
http://thehormonedoctor.com/hormones/dhea/
http://www.life-enhancement.com/magazine/article/533-dhea-the-most-versatile-hormone
http://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/health/is-dhea-a-better-way-to-raise-testosterone-20130702
Attached are my latest DHEA levels which are closer to where I want them.
So you are saying it "slows the aging process"? Another bullshit amorphous unmeasurable claim. Translation it doesn't do shit?
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creatine will bump your test and dht level up a bit
something like 50%
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creatine will bump your test and dht level up a bit
something like 50%
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The male penis secretes large amounts of creatine during sleep. That creatine travels to the kidneys and converts into human growth hormone. The growth hormone travels back to the penis and makes it hard. That's why it's important to get lots of sleep.
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Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread
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I mean legal Otc supplements, other than traditional whey or creatine
There's a lot of hype of bcaa during excercise, any other sups work?
NONE WORK.....END OF THREAD
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The male penis secretes large amounts of creatine during sleep. That creatine travels to the kidneys and converts into human growth hormone. The growth hormone travels back to the penis and makes it hard. That's why it's important to get lots of sleep.
I have not heard this
here's the link to the dht study
RESULTS: After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
;D
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The original Cybergenics. But even that didn't work in the state of NY. Despite all the muscle mags ads and flooding propaganda approach, they were actually required to put on their package "This product will not work for the residents of New York".
The original MetRx worked too. But only if you got the original formula. Which was so powerful it couldn't be mixed together and had to be sold in two separate containers.
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Citrulline/Arginine.
Also makes your dick hard as a rock as a side effect.
But yeah, creatine, a good multi and some whey is probably all you're going to "need" as a natty guy. And even then, the gains will be minimal.
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Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread
QFT.
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The original Cybergenics. But even that didn't work in the state of NY. Despite all the muscle mags ads and flooding propaganda approach, they were actually required to put on their package "This product will not work for the residents of New York".
The original MetRx worked too. But only if you got the original formula. Which was so powerful it couldn't be mixed together and had to be sold in two separate containers.
lol - actually the blending and agglomeration process had not been perfect yet. I remember Bill Phillips saying that one of the MetRx ingredients was $1500 a kilo, making people think it was some special/secret muscle building ingredient... in reality it was the aspartame - LOL!
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I have not heard this
here's the link to the dht study
RESULTS: After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
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http://muscleevo.net/creatine-side-effects/
Second, the normal range for DHT in adult men ranges from 0.8 to 3.4 nmol per liter. In the rugby players, it ranged between 1 and 1.5 nmol per liter. So even though DHT levels rose by over 50%, they were still well within the normal range.
In other words, it’s possible that the rise in DHT actually had nothing to do with creatine at all, and was part of the natural fluctuation in DHT levels that would have happened anyway.
Third, the rugby players used creatine for just three weeks. Where would DHT levels sit after three months? Or three years?
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In the male body, Vitamins act like steroids (specifically tren)
Minerals behave like growth hormone (injected GH)
That's why anyone that refers to Growth Hormone as "Vitamin G" is a deceived. Most people know that growth hormone is basically a mineral (specifically coral calcium).
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http://muscleevo.net/creatine-side-effects/
Second, the normal range for DHT in adult men ranges from 0.8 to 3.4 nmol per liter. In the rugby players, it ranged between 1 and 1.5 nmol per liter. So even though DHT levels rose by over 50%, they were still well within the normal range.
In other words, it’s possible that the rise in DHT actually had nothing to do with creatine at all, and was part of the natural fluctuation in DHT levels that would have happened anyway.
Third, the rugby players used creatine for just three weeks. Where would DHT levels sit after three months? Or three years?
ya those are all interesting questions. The authors in fact recommend further investigation of the safety and mechanisms.
I was surprised to see this dht effect which is pretty hard hitting stuff and will make your hair fall out (as noted in your link) and blow up your prostate. We really only hear about the ATP stuff. My personal feeling is guys take WAY too much. If creatine is bumping dht 50% that may explain a lot of things.
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Legal supplements (muscletech products, cytosport, mhp, etc) do not work and anyone who states they work are morons.
The only way to test if something works is to run strict experimental studies (randomized controlled clinical trials). These studies allow you to hold other variables constant, which allows you to isolate the one variable you want to study (the supplement). Unless this is done, no one can accurately state that supplement X works. This is why supplement companies always have advertisements with pretended doctors wearing white coats. They want to try and convince you that their supplement has been studied. If a supplement has not been studied under strict scientific conditions and is not published in peer-review, 99.9% it doesn't work.
The ONLY legal supplement that has been studied in RCT trials and published is Creatine. Creatine has been proven effective. However, it obviously doesn't mean youre going to look like Ronnie Coleman. :-\ :-\ :D :D :D
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Legal supplements (muscletech products, cytosport, mhp, etc) do not work and anyone who states they work are morons.
The only way to test if something works is to run strict experimental studies (randomized controlled clinical trials). These studies allow you to hold other variables constant, which allows you to isolate the one variable you want to study (the supplement). Unless this is done, no one can accurately state that supplement X works. This is why supplement companies always have advertisements with pretended doctors wearing white coats. They want to try and convince you that their supplement has been studied. If a supplement has not been studied under strict scientific conditions and is not published in peer-review, 99.9% it doesn't work.
The ONLY legal supplement that has been studied in RCT trials and published is Creatine. Creatine has been proven effective. However, it obviously doesn't mean youre going to look like Ronnie Coleman. :-\ :-\ :D :D :D
All of the snake oils salesman out to be put in jail for fraud. Flat out lies being peddled.
Concerning DHEA what dosages?
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I have not heard this
here's the link to the dht study
RESULTS: After 7 days of creatine loading, or a further 14 days of creatine maintenance dose, serum T levels did not change. However, levels of DHT increased by 56% after 7 days of creatine loading and remained 40% above baseline after 14 days maintenance (P < 0.001). The ratio of DHT:T also increased by 36% after 7 days creatine supplementation and remained elevated by 22% after the maintenance dose (P < 0.01).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19741313
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I was kidding of course
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I just cracked one off.
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ZMA is a good one. $10 per month also.
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Original Hot Stuff did, big time. But only briefly in the early '90s. Then they removed the methyltestosterone; useless after that. Got strong and shredded on it for a couple months, but it made a mess of my skin.
Met-RX also, to a lesser extent. But, again, only the original formula. And creatine works, of course, just hurts the kidneys after a while. Made me hold water, too.
Everything else was/is shit.
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ZMA is a good one. $10 per month also.
Been meaning to try this one, even more so with your reccomendation.
Despite this site being for clowning around mostly I always listen to your serious posts re bodybuilding mate
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Been meaning to try this one, even more so with your reccomendation.
Despite this site being for clowning around mostly I always listen to your serious posts re bodybuilding mate
Thanks man.
Goes without saying it's not as described in ads, lol, but is good to help sleep better. Stuff was like $50 when biotest first came out with it.
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Epidrol Halodrol, Superdrol, etc...
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Epidrol Halodrol, Superdrol, etc...
Add methyl-tren and you've got the list of the next additions to the banned list, if they aren't already there. As Joon said, if they work, they will be banned.
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Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread
THIS.
well said.
sums it up.
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That's fucking hilarious! ;D
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ZMA is a good one. $10 per month also.
I used ZMA once and it gave me dreams like I was on LSD...very vivid and colorful.....and the dreams are so real and vivid that you remember every aspect of them.....
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I used ZMA once and it gave me dreams like I was on LSD...very vivid and colorful.....and the dreams are so real and vivid that you remember every aspect of them.....
Damn, never worked that well for me! You sure you didn't just take LSD that night?
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Damn, never worked that well for me! You sure you didn't just take LSD that night?
I also get the vivid dreams effect with ZMA. Not an ounce of muscle, tho :-\
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ZMA never gave me the crazy dreams, maybe it was just a bad brand.
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I also get the vivid dreams effect with ZMA. Not an ounce of muscle, tho :-\
It's the B6 that does that. It's not touted to pack on muscle! Magnesium plays an important role in proper muscle contractions, avoiding cramps and is one element we are probably deficient in. So supplementation can be helpful but not life changing, lol!
For the price, hard not to incorporate it. It's like Vit C. Not necessary, reducing cortisol and chances of getting sick are all pieces of the puzzle to looking the way we strive.
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Any supplement that work ends up being classified as a steroid and taken off the shelves.
...PIP Andro :'(
1,4-andro was my favorite.
Boldione gave me swift gains.
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Legal supplements (muscletech products, cytosport, mhp, etc) do not work and anyone who states they work are morons.
The only way to test if something works is to run strict experimental studies (randomized controlled clinical trials). These studies allow you to hold other variables constant, which allows you to isolate the one variable you want to study (the supplement). Unless this is done, no one can accurately state that supplement X works. This is why supplement companies always have advertisements with pretended doctors wearing white coats. They want to try and convince you that their supplement has been studied. If a supplement has not been studied under strict scientific conditions and is not published in peer-review, 99.9% it doesn't work.
The ONLY legal supplement that has been studied in RCT trials and published is Creatine. Creatine has been proven effective. However, it obviously doesn't mean youre going to look like Ronnie Coleman. :-\ :-\ :D :D :D
Good [point about creatine being tested scientifically and being effective but in reality, it only works well ONCE from what people have said ...I had the same experience...I used Cell-Tech when it originally came out and it made me really hard and big....but after I got off and then got back on again......NOTHING...... ..I waited a few years and tried AGAIN AND THIS TIME IT DID WORK AGAIN.....I think.....with supps, no one really knows if they work because everyone is different
I think the biggest benefits of supplements is that they inspire you to work out....
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If the olacebo effect could be bottled it would make billions+.
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I used ZMA once and it gave me dreams like I was on LSD...very vivid and colorful.....and the dreams are so real and vivid that you remember every aspect of them.....
i get vivid dreams on tren ace
and speaking of supps i'd say that glutamine works pretty well, and ZMA is pretty good too
a couple buds of mine have recommended to me taking glutamine and bcaa's before and after training, but i'd rather save my cash for real gear
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Only the illegals work ;) HTH
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A lot of supplements "work", just that they are nowhere near as effective as AAS.
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I just ordered RITUAL from company "Ans"
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I tried that "ritual" pwo, and I got similar effect as I got from frenzy. I mixed 2 scoops in 16oz of water, drank it and after 15 minutes I felt very nostalgic. I didn't know what to do but I had to do something, I got intense need to just train.
So what I did was I went outside and ran 7 miles in 52 minutes and then I went to the gym and I just wanted to squat high reps with light weights so I did a female gymnast workout and squatted 110lbs for 120 reps, then 70, then 50, then another 50, then 30. Then after I did squat sitting against the wall for 5 minutes, 1 minute break and then another 5 minutes. Then I held the plank position for the abs for almost 10 minutes and did 25 pull ups with very wide grip. Stretched for 40 minutes.
For a depressed twink who hasn't gone to the gym for 4 and a half months I felt good.
I still feel like I want to train something, don't feel fatigued or exhausted, so I guess it worked. I would recommend it.
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I tried that "ritual" pwo, and I got similar effect as I got from frenzy. I mixed 2 scoops in 16oz of water, drank it and after 15 minutes I felt very nostalgic. I didn't know what to do but I had to do something, I got intense need to just train.
So what I did was I went outside and ran 7 miles in 52 minutes and then I went to the gym and I just wanted to squat high reps with light weights so I did a female gymnast workout and squatted 110lbs for 120 reps, then 70, then 50, then another 50, then 30. Then after I did squat sitting against the wall for 5 minutes, 1 minute break and then another 5 minutes. Then I held the plank position for the abs for almost 10 minutes and did 25 pull ups with very wide grip. Stretched for 40 minutes.
For a depressed twink who hasn't gone to the gym for 4 and a half months I felt good.
I still feel like I want to train something, don't feel fatigued or exhausted, so I guess it worked. I would recommend it.
you're gonna be sore in the next two days ;)
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you're gonna be sore in the next two days ;)
I said I haven't gone to the gym for awhile but I haven't stopped training, but you could be right, we'll see ;D
FUCKing hell I'm hungry. Every fast food restaurant is closed for home delivery and the closest drive by is 2km away... that's nothing but I don't have a car OR a bike, hell no am I walking there. I have over a pound of cheese left, 200g of peanuts, beans and bananas, that will have to do for now. I know where I will have my breakfast tomorrow.
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I said I haven't gone to the gym for awhile but I haven't stopped training, but you could be right, we'll see ;D
FUCKing hell I'm hungry. Every fast food restaurant is closed for home delivery and the closest drive by is 2km away... that's nothing but I don't have a car OR a bike, hell no am I walking there. I have over a pound of cheese left, 200g of peanuts, beans and bananas, that will have to do for now. I know where I will have my breakfast tomorrow.
All that working out has you starving.....now you're gonna eat double the weight you lost ;D
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The male penis secretes large amounts of creatine during sleep. That creatine travels to the kidneys and converts into human growth hormone. The growth hormone travels back to the penis and makes it hard. That's why it's important to get lots of sleep.
In the male body, Vitamins act like steroids (specifically tren)
Minerals behave like growth hormone (injected GH)
That's why anyone that refers to Growth Hormone as "Vitamin G" is a deceived. Most people know that growth hormone is basically a mineral (specifically coral calcium).
;D
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didn't sleep at all last night. I took two scoops of ritual before seven pm but couldn't sleep until 5-6 am, got paranoid of my heart beat. I still feel like I have pressure in my chest. Same shit happened with frenzy.
Honestly I don't know how people like joon can be alive with their lifestyle, using drugs, steroids, shitty diets, pwo's that equal 50 coffee cups, I mean what the fuck!!!!!!
fuck all of you. Hell no will I ever take steroids, if pwo's are already giving me a heart attack my head will probably explode on steroids.
I don't whanna give away ritual... I try not to drink coffee at all. Funny thing is, I drink espressoo all day long but I never get any heart beats, ever. Take two scoops of ritual and I can't sleep.
Any experts here to tell me what could be the case?
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didn't sleep at all last night. I took two scoops of ritual before seven pm but couldn't sleep until 5-6 am, got paranoid of my heart beat. I still feel like I have pressure in my chest. Same shit happened with frenzy.
Honestly I don't know how people like joon can be alive with their lifestyle, using drugs, steroids, shitty diets, pwo's that equal 50 coffee cups, I mean what the fuck!!!!!!
fuck all of you. Hell no will I ever take steroids, if pwo's are already giving me a heart attack my head will probably explode on steroids.
I don't whanna give away ritual... I try not to drink coffee at all. Funny thing is, I drink espressoo all day long but I never get any heart beats, ever. Take two scoops of ritual and I can't sleep.
Any experts here to tell me what could be the case?
keep taking it...you're supposed to die for us bitches
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keep taking it...you're supposed to die for us bitches
got it!
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Only the illegals work ;) HTH
Thanks for that bucket of wisdom.
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(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/By7q5jZIIAA96Ac.jpg)
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(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/By7q5jZIIAA96Ac.jpg)
HA! ;)
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Any supplement that work ends up being classified as a steroid and taken off the shelves.
...PIP Andro :'(
Thanks for that bucket of wisdom.
:)
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Only tried Creatine and L-Arginine.
None made me bigger BUT the latter had great effect on my sleep and overall well being... highly recommended.
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Creatine "works". If by holding 10 pounds of water and gaining strength only due to an increase in base bodyweight, yeah sure.
I found that Arginine helps my cock get hard and gives me a small boost in vascularity.
Other than that, save your money for Testosterone.
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didn't sleep at all last night. I took two scoops of ritual before seven pm but couldn't sleep until 5-6 am, got paranoid of my heart beat. I still feel like I have pressure in my chest. Same shit happened with frenzy.
Honestly I don't know how people like joon can be alive with their lifestyle, using drugs, steroids, shitty diets, pwo's that equal 50 coffee cups, I mean what the fuck!!!!!!
fuck all of you. Hell no will I ever take steroids, if pwo's are already giving me a heart attack my head will probably explode on steroids.
I don't whanna give away ritual... I try not to drink coffee at all. Funny thing is, I drink espressoo all day long but I never get any heart beats, ever. Take two scoops of ritual and I can't sleep.
Any experts here to tell me what could be the case?
You are going to think I'm crazy but I really feel steroids are safer than Otc supplemtents.
I took creatine and cybergenics kit which had ma huang in it, both gave me palpitations and I thought I was going to die. Whey protein gave me diarrhea etc.
Test and deca: 8 years and not a single side other than my HDL dropping a few points
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didn't sleep at all last night. I took two scoops of ritual before seven pm but couldn't sleep until 5-6 am, got paranoid of my heart beat. I still feel like I have pressure in my chest. Same shit happened with frenzy.
Honestly I don't know how people like joon can be alive with their lifestyle, using drugs, steroids, shitty diets, pwo's that equal 50 coffee cups, I mean what the fuck!!!!!!
fuck all of you. Hell no will I ever take steroids, if pwo's are already giving me a heart attack my head will probably explode on steroids.
I don't whanna give away ritual... I try not to drink coffee at all. Funny thing is, I drink espressoo all day long but I never get any heart beats, ever. Take two scoops of ritual and I can't sleep.
Any experts here to tell me what could be the case?
Don't do crazy high steroid doses
Don't use PWOs, coffee is sufficient
Get your nutrition sorted
Get 7+ hours of sleep per night
Don't do rec drugs
Drink sparingly
Train
It ain't that hard.
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You are going to think I'm crazy but I really feel steroids are safer than Otc supplemtents.
I took creatine and cybergenics kit which had ma huang in it, both gave me palpitations and I thought I was going to die. Whey protein gave me diarrhea etc.
Test and deca: 8 years and not a single side other than my HDL dropping a few points
AAS are safe for you as long as you are careful and understand basic blood work.
Nobody knows what effects this snake oil will have on our digestive system as we age. That's one reason why I don't even drink shakes anymore. There is no telling what garbage they are feeding us.
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You are going to think I'm crazy but I really feel steroids are safer than Otc supplemtents.
I took creatine and cybergenics kit which had ma huang in it, both gave me palpitations and I thought I was going to die. Whey protein gave me diarrhea etc.
Test and deca: 8 years and not a single side other than my HDL dropping a few points
you don't sound crazy, I was just ranting. It's funny to me how steroid intake is as casual as eating or taking a shit to you people. I'm not hating or judging, it's just that when you go on steroids, you have to be dedicated to your craft. Or like my friend who's 40, he just wants to get that easy muscle. He has great base tho so if he even gets semi serious with training it will show instantly, that's what test gives you. I mean I get it but... not now anyway ;D
Don't do crazy high steroid doses
Don't use PWOs, coffee is sufficient
Get your nutrition sorted
Get 7+ hours of sleep per night
Don't do rec drugs
Drink sparingly
Train
It ain't that hard.
Man, the last time I used pwo it was frenzy for a short while in the winter. I just wanted to try ritual because it didn't have cocaine in it. Just wanted to try it out because I've been pretty consistent with my training, not 7 hours a sleep at night/4000kcla a day consistent, but consistent none the less. I'll keep ritual and use it only rarely to treat myself ;D... but I have to quit coffee all together.
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Creatine makes you hold a little water, which gives you better leverage, and so, a little more strength while you are taking it. That might translate into a little bit more muscle.
Ephedrine, for energy and focus. But it is basically a lesser form of speed. Most any stimulants are the same.
Other than that, I'd say nothing. All that smilax, gamma oryzynol, MetRx, Cybergenics, MuscoMXT, Metabolol, etc. type stuff is snake oil. They should put the people making it in jail as fraudsters and scammers. Instead they spend money busting people selling the things that actually work.
Protein powders and weight gainers "work" in the same way food works. More calories and protein in them might help you grow and they are more convenient than cooking meat. Meat is better though.
Met-Rx is a protein powder, which was a HUGE hit in the 90s. Of course, bodybuilders were drinking it like Kool-Aid (6-8 packs per day, along with regular food intake).
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Met-Rx is a protein powder, which was a HUGE hit in the 90s. Of course, bodybuilders were drinking it like Kool-Aid (6-8 packs per day, along with regular food intake).
Cant even find it in the stores at all any more
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Cant even find it in the stores at all any more
The last time I used it was about a year ago. I got a box for $12. But it's still a shame that it only has 18 servings instead of 20, like back in the day.
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Cant even find it in the stores at all any more
You don't want it anymore, formula changed when Connelly sold the company. Got rid of the metomyosyn for whatever reason, which made no sense.
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Please pm me if there is a legual supp that increase yoru biceps 0.5 inch without making your waist bigger...
All the feel energy pump adrenaline focus testo boost, gh boost, night protain, bcaa, amino accidbla bla bla...does your biceps grow?
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Creatine (especially if vegetarian or vegan)
Beta-Alanine (especially for mid distance runners)
B12 (especially if vegan)
D3 (if you don't get enough sun exposure)
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I went through a stage when I wasted a small fortune on supps like natural Test boosters, slimming pills and similar junk. None of them had any beneficial effect on my training or appearance.
I only take protein and creatine now along with zinc and garlic oil tablets.
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Actually the old hydroycut was awesome...lost 30 poundsd on it...went from 248 to 218......it was amazing....but thats why they banned it..because it actually WORKED....no more ephedra
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I only think vit D helps with test levels and maybe pomegranate juice
Other than that, I think test under 500 mg a week is the safest most efficacious option, limiting to 10-12 week cycles maybe twice a year
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Just take whey,vitamins and minerals along with 4-6 meals a day and stack it with some good gear.
Problem solved.............end of thread.
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Just take whey,vitamins and minerals along with 4-6 meals a day and stack it with some good gear.
Problem solved.............end of thread.
Yes This.
End of. X2
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Just take whey,vitamins and minerals along with 4-6 meals a day and stack it with some good gear.
Problem solved.............end of thread.
if you removed steroids from the equation, would you consider yourself happy?
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You don't want it anymore, formula changed when Connelly sold the company. Got rid of the metomyosyn for whatever reason, which made no sense.
Just a fancy name for a milk protein blend.
This stuff was all marketing. It was nothing more than a very hyped protein supplement.
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Basically if they are legal they don't work.
If illegal they work.
If you they work and are legal they will become illegal soon
End of thread
Most truthful thing you've ever posted.
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Just a fancy name for a milk protein blend.
This stuff was all marketing. It was nothing more than a very hyped protein supplement.
I remember the first batches had creatine in it
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Just a fancy name for a milk protein blend.
This stuff was all marketing. It was nothing more than a very hyped protein supplement.
I guess, maybe I was just fooled. But why remove it when the campaign was so successful? Popular enough to get mentioned in Jackie Brown ('97) for Pete's sake.
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Actually the old hydroycut was awesome...lost 30 poundsd on it...went from 248 to 218......it was amazing....but thats why they banned it..because it actually WORKED....no more ephedra
I have a supp I got last year that contains ephedra.
http://biomassnutrition.com/product/biothin-diet-pills/
But the one I got came in a bottle with a red and black label on it. Same name as the one on the site above.
The label seems to be different on the one I have. It lists :
Serving size 2 capsules (these are capsules, the one above says caplets)
Ephera 27mg (it doesn't have it listed as Ephera Extract like the one above)
Synephrine Extract 30% 100mg
Energy and Thyroid Blend 727mg
(bunch of stuff under this category)
Thermogenic Amplifier 250mg
(more stuff under this category)
Caffiene 300mg
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I have a supp I got last year that contains ephedra.
http://biomassnutrition.com/product/biothin-diet-pills/
But the one I got came in a bottle with a red and black label on it. Same name as the one on the site above.
The label seems to be different on the one I have. It lists :
Serving size 2 capsules (these are capsules, the one above says caplets)
Ephera 27mg (it doesn't have it listed as Ephera Extract like the one above)
Synephrine Extract 30% 100mg
Energy and Thyroid Blend 727mg
(bunch of stuff under this category)
Thermogenic Amplifier 250mg
(more stuff under this category)
Caffiene 300mg
NICE!..thanks.....gonna order and try......how did it work for you?
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Been hearing good things about Hordenine lately.
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None make much of a difference if you've a good diet. I don't eat fish so I take fish oils.
Eating fruit, veg and nuts/seeds/pulses is also immeasurably good for your health. Won't make your arms grow 1" but wil reduce risk of heart disease by 25% or more.
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Creatine "works". If by holding 10 pounds of water and gaining strength only due to an increase in base bodyweight, yeah sure.
I found that Arginine helps my cock get hard and gives me a small boost in vascularity.
Other than that, save your money for Testosterone.
8)
How many grams of Arginine have you been taking?
Gosh... I feel like a pre schooler out of a supplement ad when asking such things :D
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Been hearing good things about Hordenine lately.
Hey friend, would you know of any cutting edge supplements that contain this wonder-drug?
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None make much of a difference if you've a good diet. I don't eat fish so I take fish oils.
Eating fruit, veg and nuts/seeds/pulses is also immeasurably good for your health. Won't make your arms grow 1" but wil reduce risk of heart disease by 25% or more.
I had a 1000 gel container of fish oil where just one broke. It was like having chum factory ship moored in my kitchen. Good God. My wife threatened legal action if I didn't get it out of the house. Even the dump was scared of it.
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if you removed steroids from the equation, would you consider yourself happy?
No,I`d consider myself skinny. :D
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NICE!..thanks.....gonna order and try......how did it work for you?
Let's put it this way. I still have 90% of the bottle. Gave me jitters and a racing heart. Almost as bad as when I used clen.
I got it for the energy boost, but it is much better for people losing fat and don't mind suffering a bit.
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No,I`d consider myself skinny. :D
lol every one's happiness here seems to come from a small ampule they stick in their ass. Illusion of confidence of peace :D
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lol every one's happiness here seems to come from a small ampule they stick in their ass. Illusion of confidence of peace :D
:D :D