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And shes not that great. :D
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She's war-hungry.
no more negotiations with Russia, she's sending war ships instead.
I hope I get to celebrate the big 4-0 before she starts WWIII. After all, having talks with enemies, while reagan-like, just wont cut it with 2015 primary voters.
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She's war-hungry.
no more negotiations with Russia, she's sending war ships instead.
I hope I get to celebrate the big 4-0 before she starts WWIII. After all, having talks with enemies, while reagan-like, just wont cut it with 2015 primary voters.
Let the military go to war. They don't really do much else except collect disability for nothing anyways these days.
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Let the military go to war. They don't really do much else except collect disability anyways these days.
We have some military on getbig. bench is a certified badass. HH6 is a brilliant man. Navy Mike is a totally jacked dude.
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We have some military on getbig. bench is a certified badass. HH6 is a brilliant man. Navy Mike is a totally jacked dude.
All are either on disability or want it or support it. :D
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Let the military go to war. They don't really do much else except collect disability for nothing anyways these days.
Anti-American, anti-armed services, never worked a day in his life, Moe Howard haircut wearing, Obama supporter with the weak troll job proving he has no relevance here anymore.
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Anti-American, anti-armed services, never worked a day in his life, Moe Howard haircut wearing, Obama supporter with the weak troll job proving he has no relevance here anymore.
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You have no idea about anything.
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Fiorina makes some good points but she comes off as an angry girl.
I'm not loving the Republican field but any one of these Dickweeds would be infinitely better than President Obozo or the other Democunts.
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Fiorina makes some good points but she comes off as an angry girl.
She's running for VP. She's palin with high IQ. An attack dog willing to say "palling around with terrorists" for a dignified president on the ticket.
she'll probably get the VP nomination. Cruz' SuperPAC gave her $500,000 when she was about to pull out, when she was statistically invisible, to keep her afloat. He would pick her. Carson was kissing her ass all night too.
Two flaws with her.
1) She'll send warships, not negotiate with russia. that's asinine.
2) every other word she says is about being a woman - just be an america, just fix this. palin made that mistake, talking about the glass ceiling 24/7... and more women voted against her. We get it, you will be the first, that's great - but these are essential questions - tell us how you'll fix USA. Aside from starting WWIII in lieu of discussion.
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I'd take the majority of people on that stage over Hillary or Sanders. You'd have to be a complete moron to vote for a Democrat after 8 years of piece of shit Obama.
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EVERY presidential candidate are losers and shitty. You just hope the best turd gets elected
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Jeb Bush gets testy at CNN debate about brother’s record: ‘There’s one thing I know for sure, he kept us safe’
Um, yeah, about that...
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Worked late... Had it on in the background.
Saw someone say that Jeb said something about putting Margaret Thatcher on the 10 dollar bill?
Did he really?
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Fiorina makes some good points but she comes off as an angry girl.
Dude, you can't say **** on Getbig?
She's not an angry girl, she's and angry ****.
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They asked two light hearted questions to close the debate, including what woman they'd put on a bill.
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You have no idea about anything.
I know enough that the biggest whiny bitch critics of the military are always the people who are far too cowardly to ever serve.
Fuck you and your liberal Obama support.
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Just another puppet.
Why care?
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I know enough that the biggest whiny bitch critics of the military are always the people who are far too cowardly to ever serve.
Bingo.
Walter didn't see his buddies die face down in the muck just to come here and listen to your crap.
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Enjoyed watching her call out Trump, but that closing statement, boy. Cheesy-ass, extended Lady Justice metaphor, trying so hard to sound Reagan-esque. Excruciating.
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Enjoyed watching her call out Trump, but that closing statement, boy. Cheesy-ass, extended Lady Justice metaphor, trying so hard to sound Reagan-esque. Excruciating.
I agree, that sucked nuts.
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Calling them Republicans is not a wise choice of words.
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best idea is to split up the 4 year term and give everyone a couple of months at a time to be president
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It seems as though women are held to a much lower standard. Fiorina oversaw the beginning of the decline of HP and the company has yet to turn around. Is anyone buying an HP product anytime, soon? She won't do anything as President. Perhaps, that's a good thing.
Marissa Meyer is another. She's been a disaster at Yahoo, but gets a pass because she's somewhat photogenic.
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Every single candidate during that debate is light years ahead of Hillary, Biden and Sanders. Yes, Trump is a buffoon.
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Every single candidate during that debate is light years ahead of Hillary, Biden and Sanders. Yes, Trump is a buffoon.
The only reason Sanders is running is because this guy is unavailable.
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Didnt watch. How much god and jesus and "values" talk was mentioned by these amazing "conservatives"?
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Every single candidate during that debate is light years ahead of Hillary, Biden and Sanders. Yes, Trump is a buffoon.
Maybe, but Santorum should just open a fucken church; no business in politics. He's a dope.
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And shes not that great. :D
(http://media.fyre.co/LJV2HKLlQyyUfMRsLmmf_TrumpFaces.gif)
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It seems as though women are held to a much lower standard. Fiorina oversaw the beginning of the decline of HP and the company has yet to turn around. Is anyone buying an HP product anytime, soon? She won't do anything as President. Perhaps, that's a good thing.
Marissa Meyer is another. She's been a disaster at Yahoo, but gets a pass because she's somewhat photogenic.
I just got a HP laptop. :D. As of right now Hillary will destroy the field!
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I just got a HP laptop. :D. As of right now Hillary will destroy the field!
Seems like you're in an exclusive group, this year.
That said, I agree with you about Hillary.
Things will have to get pretty effed up before another Republican wins the White House.
That's what happened in NYC under David Dinkins. You couldn't walk down the street without being met by an aggressive panhandler. Those conditions opened the door for Giuliani.
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The president is selected not elected. Voting is a sham. There are no choices.
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Hypocrisy? Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina has been a hawk on Iran – criticizing Obama for his willingness to relax economic sanctions; claiming the sanctions are “unraveling fast” which she terms a “dangerous development,” warning that Europe is rushing to open the Iranian economy, and accusing Iran of cheating on the sanctions.
Yet when she was CEO of Hewlett-Packard (according to today's Bloomberg News), the company circumvented strict export sanctions on Iran (imposed by Bill Clinton in 1995) by selling hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of products to Iran through a European subsidiary and a Middle Eastern distributor – allowing HP to obtain 41 percent of the Iranian market for printers by 2007.
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Hypocrisy? Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina has been a hawk on Iran – criticizing Obama for his willingness to relax economic sanctions; claiming the sanctions are “unraveling fast” which she terms a “dangerous development,” warning that Europe is rushing to open the Iranian economy, and accusing Iran of cheating on the sanctions.
Yet when she was CEO of Hewlett-Packard (according to today's Bloomberg News), the company circumvented strict export sanctions on Iran (imposed by Bill Clinton in 1995) by selling hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of products to Iran through a European subsidiary and a Middle Eastern distributor – allowing HP to obtain 41 percent of the Iranian market for printers by 2007.
You can't be blind that Iran will buy arms with sanctions lifted.
Bloomberg News? Do you know who Bloomberg is? Think he has a liberal agenda in politics? Just a manipulations of what actually happened.
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As of right now Hillary will destroy the field!
What fucking planet are you living on? Her numbers keep falling because of the email scandal. She'll never win. And in a debate, she'll get destroyed.
How dumb will she look if she tries to counter the scandal with a comment like she used before when responding to questions about wiping the server. "With what? A cloth"?
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Let the military go to war. They don't really do much else except collect disability for nothing anyways these days.
Like Navy Mike... ;D
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I'm sure Carly has the downsized AT&T and HP worker vote locked up.
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Jeb Bush gets testy at CNN debate about brother’s record: ‘There’s one thing I know for sure, he kept us safe’
Um, yeah, about that...
I feel safer already. Don't you? Bush is toast!
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You can't be blind that Iran will buy arms with sanctions lifted.
Bloomberg News? Do you know who Bloomberg is? Think he has a liberal agenda in politics? Just a manipulations of what actually happened.
um, on the politics board, just attacking the source doesn't really work.
she did this while with HP. this is a fact.
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About Fiorina: she is actually a good campaigner (this time) and her campaign operation is running well—her Senate bid in California was poorly executed. But running for office is not the same as being a competent executive. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, her record at HP was a disaster and since that is her primary qualification for running, her campaign is an illogical one. She is running on pure ego. Of course, she is not the only one. ::)
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About Fiorina: she is actually a good campaigner (this time) and her campaign operation is running well—her Senate bid in California was poorly executed. But running for office is not the same as being a competent executive. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, her record at HP was a disaster and since that is her primary qualification for running, her campaign is an illogical one. She is running on pure ego. Of course, she is not the only one. ::)
Yes, it's still feeling the pain from her decisions... 30,000 layoffs just yesterday... Some of which is directly attributable to when she was there.
Most constituents know absolutely nothing of what she did or didn't do at HP or how it went to hell, they just know she was a female CEO and she talks tough now.
That's all they care about.
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Repubs like one thing - ANGER.
When trump was angry, they loved him.
They loved angry trump.
they hated romney cause he was so un-emotional.
Fiorinia is nasty, venemous, angry, and they like that. Repubs and dems alike are destroying her today for playing fast n loose with the facts - look it up, she got 3 or 4 big lies in last night, including the abortion details, that never happened as the gruesome story she told, she was called out for it this am and wouldn't even listen.
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Every single candidate during that debate is light years ahead of Hillary, Biden and Sanders. Yes, Trump is a buffoon.
What's your beef with Sanders, OT1? Anything specific as far as what he claims he'd do?
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Fiorina makes some good points but she comes off as an angry girl.
I'm not loving the Republican field but any one of these Dickweeds would be infinitely better than President Obozo or the other Democunts.
Uh, Bernie Sanders destroys all of them and actually gets shit done and KNOWS the issues and what is what.
Best politician the US has had for decades. Nobody else has given a shit for America as much as he has for so long.
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Uh, Bernie Sanders destroys all of them and actually gets shit done and KNOWS the issues and what is what.
Best politician the US has had for decades. Nobody else has given a shit for America as much as he has for so long.
I hope they don't rig the debates to mute his ideas. I want him to have a real chance to say what he needs to say.
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I hope they don't rig the debates to mute his ideas. I want him to have a real chance to say what he needs to say.
He will be able to.
The good thing about him is, that he cuts to the core and is very forceful. Its amusing to watch Republicans faces nod and agree with him when he starts speaking and forcing them to look at the facts, which is the only thing he cares about.
He has the ability to actually convince shit brains in the way that they need to be shown, which is through evidence and fact. He is ahead of Hillary at this point because of Independent support and Republican defectors actually.
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What's your beef with Sanders, OT1? Anything specific as far as what he claims he'd do?
Are you saying you're ok with what he proposes? All of it, some? Specifically.
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He will be able to.
The good thing about him is, that he cuts to the core and is very forceful. Its amusing to watch Republicans faces nod and agree with him when he starts speaking and forcing them to look at the facts, which is the only thing he cares about.
He has the ability to actually convince shit brains in the way that they need to be shown, which is through evidence and fact. He is ahead of Hillary at this point because of Independent support and Republican defectors actually.
I know, and that's what scares me. He goes against the conventional "wisdom" (which is a lack of that), and I honestly believe he's the sole reason Hilary and Wasserman-Schultz are plotting to minimize debate exposure for all Democrats. I really do.
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Are you saying you're ok with what he proposes? All of it, some? Specifically.
I don't yet know. The fact that he goes right for the trade agreements is appealing to me, though.
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I've never seen him debate, either.
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Uh, Bernie Sanders destroys all of them and actually gets shit done and KNOWS the issues and what is what.
Best politician the US has had for decades. Nobody else has given a shit for America as much as he has for so long.
Right, figured you'd be on board with the racial pandering. With all the white guilt you been harboring, harping on about racist cops and whatnot. "Unarmed victims," defending Trayvon and 'Hands up' Brown ad nauseam.
Always with your 'unfair treatment' this and that, the endless stats ...
Yeah, this is totally you. Bernie's your boy, all right:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
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Right, figured you'd be on board with the racial pandering. With all the white guilt you been harboring, harping on about racist cops and whatnot. "Unarmed victims," defending Trayvon and 'Hands up' Brown ad nauseam.
Always with your 'unfair treatment' this and that, the endless stats ...
Yeah, this is you. And Bernie's your boy, all right:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
Me, I could do without that part. It isn't an accurate look at the problem and is nothing more than chasing tails.
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Me, I could do without that part. It isn't an accurate look at the problem and is nothing more than chasing tails.
Pandering leftist bullshit is all.
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Pandering leftist bullshit is all.
It's framing things in a way that can't be fixed. It is so irritating when people fall into that trap. It's like they can't think.
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OJ didn't have any trouble getting his "justice" from the system.
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Right, figured you'd be on board with the racial pandering. With all the white guilt you been harboring, harping on about racist cops and whatnot. "Unarmed victims," defending Trayvon and 'Hands up' Brown ad nauseam.
Always with your 'unfair treatment' this and that, the endless stats ...
Yeah, this is totally you. Bernie's your boy, all right:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/
Republicans say the same things and worse. They want to get rid of Planned Parenthood and Abortion for instance, two tools that truly solve the Hebrew problem. Bernie is a strong supporter of both so by that alone, trumps any bullshit proposal for dealing with Hebrews that Republicans have (they don't have any). Instead, Republicans want to restrict, make illegal and/or limit the only tools that are proven to limit the spread of the Hebrew and its culture.
Hope this helps.
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Republicans say the same things and worse. They want to get rid of Planned Parenthood and Abortion for instance, two tools that truly solve the Hebrew problem. Bernie is a strong supporter of both so by that alone, trumps any bullshit proposal for dealing with Hebrews that Republicans have (they don't have any). Instead, Republicans want to restrict, make illegal and/or limit the only tools that are proven to limit the spread of the Hebrew and its culture.
Hope this helps.
Ok, I can appreciate this rationale. Well played.
And, yes, it did help. Helped indeed.
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Republicans say the same things and worse. They want to get rid of Planned Parenthood and Abortion for instance, two tools that truly solve the Hebrew problem. Bernie is a strong supporter of both so by that alone, trumps any bullshit proposal for dealing with Hebrews that Republicans have (they don't have any). Instead, Republicans want to restrict, make illegal and/or limit the only tools that are proven to limit the spread of the Hebrew and its culture.
Hope this helps.
They don't want "to get rid of Planned Parenthood." They want to end federal funding of Planned Parenthood.
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They don't want "to get rid of Planned Parenthood." They want to end federal funding of Planned Parenthood.
Federally funding stopping the population growth of loser children and loser progeny should be increased. I can't think of a single better way to spend money than this. The real root of the problem is population growth of shitty people.
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Federally funding stopping the population growth of loser children and loser progeny should be increased. I can't think of a single better way to spend money than this. The real root of the problem is population growth of shitty people.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I was specifically addressing your contention that they want "to get rid of Planned Parenthood." That's not accurate.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but I was specifically addressing your contention that they want "to get rid of Planned Parenthood." That's not accurate.
You are entitled to be a dumbass, but please try to do so quietly.
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You are entitled to be a dumbass, but please try to do so quietly.
Yeah. Good point. You are a perfect example of what happens when you do so loudly.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but I was specifically addressing your contention that they want "to get rid of Planned Parenthood." That's not accurate.
Do you honestly believe that they do not want to eliminate planned parenthood completely?
Do you seriously think that they just want to stop federal funding of it?
If you do, you're either lying to us, yourself, or most likely, both.
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playign word games. they want it gone, destroyed, history.
this whole word game of "we don't want it gone, we just wish to take away the $ it needs to exist" is some wimpy, non-committal shit designed as to not piss off women.
I don't care about the issue, I think it's BS that the thing isn't split into abortion and non-abortion, just maddening. BUT if I wanted to close down the whole dang operation, I'd just say it, i woudln't limp around with "technically, I just want to empty their bank account, not actually close their busienss" stuff.
Just say you want to close the MFer, dos equis. it's cool man.
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Do you honestly believe that they do not want to eliminate planned parenthood completely?
Do you seriously think that they just want to stop federal funding of it?
If you do, you're either lying to us, yourself, or most likely, both.
I have seen no evidence of the GOP trying to "eliminate" Planned Parenthood. How would that work exactly? A bill requiring a private business to shut down?
I'd say look at the governors who have ended state funding of Planned Parenthood, like Fat Man in NJ. What steps has he taken to "eliminate planned parenthood completely"?
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I have seen no evidence of the GOP trying to "eliminate" Planned Parenthood. How would that work exactly? A bill requiring a private business to shut down?
I'd say look at the governors who have ended state funding of Planned Parenthood, like Fat Man in NJ. What steps has he taken to "eliminate planned parenthood completely"?
That's ridiculous.
They want to eliminate abortion and they believe that Planned Parenthood is the number one thing responsible.
On no level do they want it to exist at all, but you can convince yourself of a lot of dumb things, so I'm not surprised.
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That's ridiculous.
They want to eliminate abortion and they believe that Planned Parenthood is the number one thing responsible.
On no level do they want it to exist at all, but you can convince yourself of a lot of dumb things, so I'm not surprised.
What specific steps have Republicans in Congress taken to completely shut down Planned Parenthood, as opposed to trying eliminate the use of my tax dollars to support them?
Why haven't the governors who eliminated state funding taken any steps to eliminate this private business entirely?
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What specific steps have Republicans in Congress taken to completely shut down Planned Parenthood, as opposed to trying eliminate the use of my tax dollars to support them?
Why haven't the governors who eliminated state funding taken any steps to eliminate this private business entirely?
Because they all dream of being President and if they already know they have to contend with it on a national level just defunding, if they completely removed it they would be crushing their dreams and aspirations.
Self interests is what they are worried about.
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Because they all dream of being President and if they already know they have to contend with it on a national level just defunding, if they completely removed it they would be crushing their dreams and aspirations.
Self interests is what they are worried about.
Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
How exactly would they "remove" a private business?
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Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
How exactly would they "remove" a private business?
How is what I'm saying conspiracy?
You must define conspiracy different than most people.
They would like to remove them... They can't. They would find some way to pass a law that effectively shuts the doors if they thought they could get away with it.
You would love to close their doors yourself wouldn't you?
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How is what I'm saying conspiracy?
You must define conspiracy different than most people.
They would like to remove them... They can't. They would find some way to pass a law that effectively shuts the doors if they thought they could get away with it.
You would love to close their doors yourself wouldn't you?
Everything thing you're saying is a conspiracy. No facts. Pure conjecture. You have not given me one fact showing attempts by the federal or state government to shut down a private business.
I would love to see them not get a single dollar of my hard earned tax dollars. And a lot of what they have done for years is just criminal. But this isn't about me. It's about the non-existent attempt by Republicans to shut down Planned Parenthood.
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Everything thing you're saying is a conspiracy. No facts. Pure conjecture. You have not given me one fact showing attempts by the federal or state government to shut down a private business.
I would love to see them not get a single dollar of my hard earned tax dollars. And a lot of what they have done for years is just criminal. But this isn't about me. It's about the non-existent attempt by Republicans to shut down Planned Parenthood.
Nothing I'm saying is a conspiracy.
It's conjecture knowing the people involved. That's not conspiracy, that's simple logic.
Similarly to your people who get sued for not making cakes, they went out of business... stop funding and boom, that's what happens.
It's simple cause and effect.
You would rather pay tax dollars to support a child for 18 years by the state, then to pay a one time abortion. Not very fiscally responsible of you.
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HAHAHAHA... defunding PP isn't an indication that they want it gone and to not exist? Just like defunding Obamacare (if they could) isn't an indication that they want it gone and to not exist?
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Republican logic.
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Back to Carly.... she certainly proved she can lie like the rest of the GOP boys.
Faux outrage and blatant lying.... the base will eat that combination up.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/carly-fiorina-opponents-must-prove-to-me-they-watched-my-non-existent-fetus-videos/
Republican presidential candidate Carly Fiorina insisted on Sunday that anyone who wanted to debate her about Planned Parenthood funding would have to “prove” that they watched videos of a fetus that fact checkers say don’t exist.
During last week’s Republican presidential debate, Fiorina had claimed that she saw undercover videos from a Planned Parenthood that showed “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.”
However, fact checkers like FactCheck.org and The Washington Post have said that there was no such scene included in the videos that were recently released by an anti-abortion group.
“Do you acknowledge what every fact checker has found?” Fox News host Chris Wallace asked the candidate on Sunday. “As horrific as the scene is, it was only described on the video by someone who claimed to have seen it. There is no actual footage of the incident you just mentioned.”
“No, I don’t accept that at all,” Fiorina shot back. “I’ve seen the footage. And I find it amazing, actually, that all these supposed fact checkers in the mainstream media claim this doesn’t exist, they’re trying to attack the authenticity of the videotape, I haven’t found anyone in the mainstream media who has ever watched these things.”
“I mean, they will claim that somebody watched it for them,” she continued. “I will continue to dare anyone who wants to continue to defund Planned Parenthood, watch the videotapes.”
“And anyone who wants to challenge me first is going to have to prove to me that they watched it.”
Watch the video below from Fox News’ Fox News Sunday, broadcast Sept. 20, 2015.
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Nothing I'm saying is a conspiracy.
It's conjecture knowing the people involved. That's not conspiracy, that's simple logic.
Similarly to your people who get sued for not making cakes, they went out of business... stop funding and boom, that's what happens.
It's simple cause and effect.
You would rather pay tax dollars to support a child for 18 years by the state, then to pay a one time abortion. Not very fiscally responsible of you.
Logic is me looking at what is actually happening: bills in Congress to eliminate federal welfare, actually ending of tax subsidies at the state level, and nothing showing attempts to completely shut them down.
Conspiracy theory is you claiming Republicans want to eliminate a business, while being unable to point to any concrete attempts by them to do so.
The wedding cake example is a very poor example. Apples and oranges.
You might have a point if PP's livelihood was dependent on federal tax dollars.
I don't approve of facilitating the killing of unborn children because they might end up on welfare. Very troubling Margaret Sanger-approved social engineering.
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Logic is me looking at what is actually happening: bills in Congress to eliminate federal welfare, actually ending of tax subsidies at the state level, and nothing showing attempts to completely shut them down.
Conspiracy theory is you claiming Republicans want to eliminate a business, while being unable to point to any concrete attempts by them to do so.
The wedding cake example is a very poor example. Apples and oranges.
You might have a point if PP's livelihood was dependent on federal tax dollars.
I don't approve of facilitating the killing of unborn children because they might end up on welfare. Very troubling Margaret Sanger-approved social engineering.
It's called fiscal responsibility.
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It's called fiscal responsibility.
It's called eugenics. Straight from Planned Parenthood's founder:
Eugenics
An advertisement for a book entitled "Woman and the New Race". At the top is a photo of a woman, seated affectionately with her two sons.
Sanger's 1920 book endorsed negative eugenics.
Originally Sanger based the advocacy of birth control on feminist ideals. After World War I, Sanger increasingly appealed to the societal need to limit births by those least able to afford children. The affluent and educated already limited their child-bearing while the poor and ignorant lacked access to contraception and information about birth-control.[105] Here she found an area of overlap with eugenicists.[105] She believed that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." They differed in that "eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her duty to the state."[106] Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aims to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit.[107]
In "The Morality of Birth Control," a 1921 speech, she divided society into three groups: the "educated and informed" class that regulated the size of their families, the "intelligent and responsible" who desired to control their families however did not have the means or the knowledge and the "irresponsible and reckless people" whose religious scruples "prevent their exercising control over their numbers." Sanger concludes "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped."[108]
Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the "profoundly retarded".[109][110] In her book The Pivot of Civilization, she advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating.[111]
Although Sanger supported negative eugenics, she asserted that eugenics alone was not sufficient, and that birth control was essential to achieve her goals.[112][113][114]
In contrast with eugenicist William Robinson, who advocated euthanasia for the unfit,[note 8] Sanger wrote, "we [do not] believe that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding."[115] Similarly, Sanger denounced the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program.[110] In addition, Sanger believed the responsibility for birth control should remain in the hands of able-minded individual parents rather than the state, and that self-determining motherhood was the only unshakable foundation for racial betterment.[112][116]
Sanger also supported restrictive immigration policies. In "A Plan for Peace", a 1932 essay, she proposed a congressional department to address population problems. She also recommended that immigration exclude those "whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race," and that sterilization and segregation be applied to those with incurable, hereditary disabilities.[109][110][117]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics
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It's called eugenics. Straight from Planned Parenthood's founder:
Eugenics
An advertisement for a book entitled "Woman and the New Race". At the top is a photo of a woman, seated affectionately with her two sons.
Sanger's 1920 book endorsed negative eugenics.
Originally Sanger based the advocacy of birth control on feminist ideals. After World War I, Sanger increasingly appealed to the societal need to limit births by those least able to afford children. The affluent and educated already limited their child-bearing while the poor and ignorant lacked access to contraception and information about birth-control.[105] Here she found an area of overlap with eugenicists.[105] She believed that they both sought to "assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit." They differed in that "eugenists imply or insist that a woman's first duty is to the state; we contend that her duty to herself is her duty to the state."[106] Sanger was a proponent of negative eugenics, which aims to improve human hereditary traits through social intervention by reducing the reproduction of those who were considered unfit.[107]
In "The Morality of Birth Control," a 1921 speech, she divided society into three groups: the "educated and informed" class that regulated the size of their families, the "intelligent and responsible" who desired to control their families however did not have the means or the knowledge and the "irresponsible and reckless people" whose religious scruples "prevent their exercising control over their numbers." Sanger concludes "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped."[108]
Sanger's eugenic policies included an exclusionary immigration policy, free access to birth control methods and full family planning autonomy for the able-minded, and compulsory segregation or sterilization for the "profoundly retarded".[109][110] In her book The Pivot of Civilization, she advocated coercion to prevent the "undeniably feeble-minded" from procreating.[111]
Although Sanger supported negative eugenics, she asserted that eugenics alone was not sufficient, and that birth control was essential to achieve her goals.[112][113][114]
In contrast with eugenicist William Robinson, who advocated euthanasia for the unfit,[note 8] Sanger wrote, "we [do not] believe that the community could or should send to the lethal chamber the defective progeny resulting from irresponsible and unintelligent breeding."[115] Similarly, Sanger denounced the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program.[110] In addition, Sanger believed the responsibility for birth control should remain in the hands of able-minded individual parents rather than the state, and that self-determining motherhood was the only unshakable foundation for racial betterment.[112][116]
Sanger also supported restrictive immigration policies. In "A Plan for Peace", a 1932 essay, she proposed a congressional department to address population problems. She also recommended that immigration exclude those "whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race," and that sterilization and segregation be applied to those with incurable, hereditary disabilities.[109][110][117]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics
I don't care what SHE calls it or what YOU call it.
I call it fiscal responsibility.
Don't like it, tough.
You are admitting you are ok with paying for a child to be in a state funded system for 18 years.
I'm not.
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I don't care what SHE calls it or what YOU call it.
I call it fiscal responsibility.
Don't like it, tough.
You are admitting you are ok with paying for a child to be in a state funded system for 18 years.
I'm not.
I don't care how you want to sugarcoat it. It's eugenics. You're in favor of killing a kid who might wind up on welfare. I'm not.
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I don't care how you want to sugarcoat it. It's eugenics. You're in favor of killing a kid who might wind up on welfare. I'm not.
Oh, I am. That's just good sense.
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I have seen no evidence of the GOP trying to "eliminate" Planned Parenthood.
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Oh, I am. That's just good sense.
Well at least you're honest about it. :-\
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Well at least you're honest about it. :-\
Yeah, just seems like an instance where honesty might benefit the greater good.
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Yeah, just seems like an instance where honesty might benefit the greater good.
I don't think the greater good includes killing people we don't believe will be the best members of society. Drawing lines becomes pretty tricky too. Do you stop with kids on welfare? How about kids with disabilities? What about the elderly?
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LOLOLOL
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I don't think the greater good includes killing people we don't believe will be the best members of society. Drawing lines becomes pretty tricky too. Do you stop with kids on welfare? How about kids with disabilities? What about the elderly?
Forget people, what about unwanted goop that EVENTUALLY becomes a burden?
Now, it's Babymama choice, so no line drawing. Secondly, disability/elderly? Fuck yeah, depending. Aborting a Down's happens all the time, totally fine with it. I would. And whatever else they can eventually diagnose in utero, I'm all ears. Never viewed all life as sacred, sorry, not by a long shot.
And old folks choosing to hasten death medically (thereby avoiding unnecessary suffering), only the most heartless, immoral monster would object.
Are you 100% opposed or a conditional aborter?
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Firstly, it's Babymama choice, so no line drawing. Second of all, disability/elderly? Fuck yeah, depending. Aborting a Down's happens all the time, totally fine with it. I would. Whatever else they can eventually diagnose in utero, I'm listening.
And old folks choosing to hasten death medically (thereby avoiding unnecessary suffering), only the most heartless, immoral monster would object.
Are you a conception = life fundie?
Sure there is a line drawing problem, unless you're following that Hitler/Sanger-like line of thinking of wanting to create some kind of master race. So you would kill a kid who might be on welfare and would have a disability. What about a kid who is the wrong gender? What about a kid with low IQ?
Regarding the elderly, I'm not talking about assisted suicide. I'm talking about killing old people who are no longer productive members of society.
I believe life begins at conception. Not sure exactly what you mean by "fundie." I guess that would be like me asking if you are a Hitler disciple? :)
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Sure there is a line drawing problem, unless you're following that Hitler/Sanger-like line of thinking of wanting to create some kind of master race. So you would kill a kid who might be on welfare and would have a disability. What a kid who is the wrong gender? What about a kid with low IQ?
Regarding the elderly, I'm not talking about assisted suicide. I'm talking about killing old people who are no longer productive members of society.
I believe life begins at conception. Not sure exactly what you mean by "fundie." I guess that would be like me asking if you are a Hitler disciple? :)
Bold: This is all your Sanger hang-up, which I never specifically endorsed. Doesn't apply, as Mom chooses, not Big Bro.
Elderly should be a personal choice, never suggested otherwise. Again, not endorsing government interference. I edited "fundie" because it was presumptuous. If you're a conception guy, though, guess it's no longer a presumption.
"Soul," right?
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I don't care how you want to sugarcoat it. It's eugenics. You're in favor of killing a kid who might wind up on welfare. I'm not.
No, it's not, because I'm not FORCING anyone to do anything.
Bold: This is all your Sanger hang-up, which I never specifically endorsed. Doesn't apply, as Mom chooses, not Big Bro.
Elderly should be a personal choice; never suggested otherwise. Again, not endorsing government interference. I edited "fundie" because it was presumptuous. If you're a conception guy, though, guess it's no longer a presumption.
"Soul," right?
Exactly.
No one is making anyone get it done... We are giving them an option that just so happens to also be fiscally responsible at the same time.
Conservatives want to save the life of a child, but don't want to provide for the child's life.
They hate Welfare, but want to take away a persons option for not being on it in the first place.
Completely contrary.
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Bold: This is all your Sanger hang-up, which I never specifically endorsed. Doesn't apply, as Mom chooses, not Big Bro.
Elderly should be a personal choice, never suggested otherwise. Again, not endorsing government interference. I edited "fundie" because it was presumptuous. If you're a conception guy, though, guess it's no longer a presumption.
"Soul," right?
I don't think it matters whether mom or government chooses. It's still eugenics, which I'm not in favor of at all.
We had a failure to communicate regarding the elderly. I was specifically talking about killing people who are not productive members of society, not people committing suicide.
Yes, I'm a conception guy.
Soul?
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No, it's not, because I'm not FORCING anyone to do anything.
Exactly.
No one is making anyone get it done... We are giving them an option that just so happens to also be fiscally responsible at the same time.
Conservatives want to save the life of a child, but don't want to provide for the child's life.
They hate Welfare, but want to take away a persons option for not being on it in the first place.
Completely contrary.
As a lifelong (choice) conservative, I always brushed this off. But it's absolutely true; we (meaning they) universally despise welfare but pretend that "special, innocent baby" (a future recipient) is somehow sacred. Hypocritical crock.
Fight for you in the womb, but fuck you once you emerge. Once again, Bible sillying up otherwise rational brains. Champion ourselves as the 'Believe what you see' party, until it comes to totally unseeable God. Then we're all see what you believe Liberals.
We meaning they, fuck them.
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I don't think it matters whether mom or government chooses. It's still eugenics, which I'm not in favor of at all.
We had a failure to communicate regarding the elderly. I was specifically talking about killing people who are not productive members of society, not people committing suicide.
Yes, I'm a conception guy.
Soul?
Yes, miscommunication. No gov death panels for me, just the right to choose a medical exit.
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I don't think it matters whether mom or government chooses. It's still eugenics, which I'm not in favor of at all.
We had a failure to communicate regarding the elderly. I was specifically talking about killing people who are not productive members of society, not people committing suicide.
Yes, I'm a conception guy.
Soul?
One and the same, no? Why else would one settle on conception?
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Yes, miscommunication. No gov death panels for me, just the right to choose a medical exit.
People already have the option to choose suicide.
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One and the same, no? Why else would one settle on conception?
No. I've never made that comparison. Conception is the logical starting point for me. Not some arbitrary line while the child is in the womb and not after the baby is born.
When do you believe life begins? I think I started a thread about this a long time ago.
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If Carly wants to end PP, then she should become CEO of it.
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People already have the option to choose suicide.
the right to choose a medical exit.
Not the same and you know it.
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If Carly wants to end PP, then she should become CEO of it.
LOL
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No. I've never made that comparison. Conception is the logical starting point for me. Not some arbitrary line while the child is in the womb and not after the baby is born.
When do you believe life begins?
"Life" is ambiguous, as a single cell is life. But a distinct (separate) human being? Difficult question, much to consider. Certainly well after conception and certainly before third trimester.
And certainly uncertain where in between.
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Not the same and you know it.
How so? Are you talking about physician assisted suicide?
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"Life" is ambiguous, as a single cell is life. But a distinct (separate) human being? Difficult question, much to consider. Certainly well after conception and certainly before third trimester.
And certainly uncertain where in between.
I don't believe a single cell is "human" life.
It is a difficult question. Have you ever looked at the development of a baby in the womb?
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How so? Are you talking about physician assisted suicide?
Of course. Four states outta fifty, though?
Just went through it with my gal's Mom. Time and bullshit involved in establishing residency and whatnot makes it near impossible for anyone outside those four. Cancer killed her in the monthslong process; totally unnecessary - immoral even, ya ask me.
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Of course. Four states outta fifty, though?
Just went through it with my gal's Mom. Time and bullshit involved in establishing residency and whatnot makes it near impossible for anyone outside those four. Cancer killed her in the monthslong process; totally unnecessary - immoral even, ya ask me.
Sorry to hear that. Very difficult, emotional, and painful process. Cancer sucks. What was stopping her from taking her own life?
I don't think anyone should be forced to suffer.
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Sorry to hear that. Very difficult, emotional, and painful process. Cancer sucks. What was stopping her from taking her own life?
I don't think anyone should be forced to suffer.
How would you suggest she'd have done so? You realize how horrific all those options are for loved ones, not to mention the poor lady herself.
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Biden: Life Begins At Conception [VIDEO]
Steve Guest
Media Reporter
09/22/2015
Vice President Joe Biden believes life begins “at the moment of conception.”
“I’m prepared to accept that at the moment of conception there’s human life and being” Biden said, during an interview with Father Matt Malone, S.J. of “America Media.”
Biden, however, said that he would not “impose” that view on “non-God-fearing people that have a different view.”
At one point, Biden also acknowledged that “abortion is always wrong,” but again, he doesn’t want to “impose doctrine” on other people.
Asked if there was a place in the Democratic party for individuals who are pro-life, Biden replied, “Absolutely. Absolutely, positively. And that’s been my position for as long as I’ve been engaged.”
Read a transcript of Biden’s answer:
Father Matt Malone, S.J.: And yet there have been times, when talking about specific public policies, where you’ve had to take positions that were at odds with the bishops of this country on contentious questions like abortion. Has that been hard for you?
Joe Biden: It has been. It has been hard, in one sense, because I’m prepared to accept de fide doctrine on a whole range of issues as a Catholic, even though, as you know, Aquinas argued about, in Summa Theologica, about human life and being, when it occurs.
I’m prepared to accept as a matter of faith, my wife and I, my family, the issue of abortion, but what I’m not prepared to do is to impose a rigid view, a precise view, rigid sounds pejorative, a precise view that is born out of my faith, on other people who are equally God-fearing, equally as committed to life, equally as committed to the sanctity of life.
I’m prepared to accept that at the moment of conception there’s human life and being, but I’m not prepared to say that to other God-fearing, non-God-fearing people that have a different view.
Even — I don’t want to start a theological discussion, I’ll get in trouble, it’s above my pay grade, although it’s my avocation, but there’s, you know, there’s even been disagreement in our Church, not that — abortion is always wrong, but there’s been debate, and so, there’s, for me, a point where the Church makes a judgment, as we Catholics call, de fide doctrine, said, this is what our doctrine is.
All the principles of my faith, I make no excuse for attempting to live up to — I don’t all the time. But I’m not prepared to impose doctrine that I’m prepared to accept on the rest of — and I actually had that discussion with Pope Benedict.
It was — I had a wonderful meeting with him several months before he stepped down. It was like going back to theology class. And by the way, he wasn’t judgmental. He was open. I came away enlivened from the discussion.
Malone: Is there a place in the Democratic Party for people who are pro-life?
Biden: Absolutely. Absolutely, positively. And that’s been my position for as long as I’ve been engaged.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/22/biden-life-begins-at-conception-video/#ixzz3mUwFBVcO
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How would you suggest she'd have done so? You realize how horrific all those options are for loved ones, not to mention the poor lady herself.
I don't know? Pills? I don't think any of the options, including those involving a doctor, are good options.
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I don't believe a single cell is "human" life.
It is a difficult question. Have you ever looked at the development of a baby in the womb?
I understand. But it was how you presented the question, which actually highlights the issue's vagueness.
I have looked into it, and it's absolutely complicated. Not even pretending to have solid ground beneath me. Nor am I comfortable, or even clear, on how terms are sometimes defined. But if brain death legally ends life; conception, it should follow, can't legally begin life (as defined medically).
We don't have a brain yet, just a potential human.
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I understand. But it was how you presented the question, which actually highlights the issue's vagueness.
I have looked into it, and it's absolutely complicated. Not even pretending to have solid ground beneath me. Nor am I comfortable, or even clear, on how terms are sometimes defined. But if brain death legally ends life; conception, it should follow, can't legally begin life (as defined medically).
We don't have a brain yet, just a potential human.
When does brain activity begin with an unborn baby?
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I don't know? Pills? I don't think any of the options, including those involving a doctor, are good options.
Only pills that'll kill you for certain are those accessed exclusively by 'End of Life' practitioners. Even the stuff vets use is impossible to get. Desperate folks used to visit Mexico and whatnot for this, but that avenue closed, too.
Too much morphine usually induces vomit, and fatal anything ODs are mostly accidental. Can't guarantee death if you're trying, but you will flirt with irreversible brain damage.
As far as "good options" - agreed, there are only "better" options. I know if cancer promised to kill me, I'd most certainly find the doctor option preferable.
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When does brain activity begin with an unborn baby?
No idea. Imagine it'd be after the brain forms, though.
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If Carly wants to end PP, then she should become CEO of it.
hahahah!
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Only pills that'll kill you for certain are those accessed exclusively by 'End of Life' practitioners. Even the stuff vets use is impossible to get. Desperate folks used to visit Mexico and whatnot for this, but that avenue closed, too.
Too much morphine usually induces vomit, and fatal anything ODs are mostly accidental. Can't guarantee death if you're trying, but you will flirt with irreversible brain damage.
As far as "good options" - agreed, there are only "better" options. I know if cancer promised to kill me, I'd most certainly find the doctor option preferable.
Cannot argue with you. Although I will say that anyone who wants to end their own life can do it. It may not be pretty, but it can be done.
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Cannot argue with you. Although I will say that anyone who wants to end their own life can do it. It may not be pretty, but it can be done.
Of course. And much easier here than disarmed elsewhere.
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Sorry to hear that. Very difficult, emotional, and painful process. Cancer sucks. What was stopping her from taking her own life?
I don't think anyone should be forced to suffer.
Thank you.
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Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Scott walker would be a better president than any of the democratic politicians that can possibly be nominated. If you watched any of the gop debates you'd see that their knowledge far surpasses that of a Hilary clinton
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Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and Scott walker would be a better president than any of the democratic politicians that can possibly be nominated. If you watched any of the gop debates you'd see that their knowledge far surpasses that of a Hilary clinton
Too bad God wants Hilary to be POTUS.
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Too bad God wants Hilary to be POTUS.
if it was up to God guy fieri would have been president long ago
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if it was up to God guy fieri would have been president long ago
So God was just pranking those GOPers that he "told" to run because that is what he wanted?