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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: The True Adonis on March 04, 2006, 01:25:52 PM
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:)
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steroids only play a small role in pros muscle mass ::)
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Darrem.What a Beast.
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hahahaha, skinny as a second is short.
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Rich Gaspari looking massive still.
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monster eye bags.
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He's off roids, but probably laying off everything including eating big. He will be 320 by July.
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Monster Biceps on Labrada. hahahah. Forearms bigger than Biceps. ROFLMAO
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hahaha, looks like a gay latin midget.
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Haidars "Monster" arms. hahahah
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meh, Gaspari is almost 43. I'm sure he got his fair share of babes in his prime. Imagine being 23 years old and Mr. World? You would get tons of figure hotties on status alone.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/13.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/5.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/12.JPG)
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I will admit that the pro's do look smalller than normal, but if i remember correctly your arms are pathetic! and your forarms are a laughing matter!
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Are you guys retarded do you expect the pros to stay on all year round. its good to see bodybuilders laying off the juice and giving their system a break
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He Looks like Ferrigno in his 50's
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58112.0;attach=68645;image)
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Gunter looks better at that weight. I'm happy he's cleaning out - he's healthier. Pro bodybuilders have so much muscle they look stupid. Hell, if man who is 5'10 got to 215 or so lean, he would probably start looking stupid. Not everyone trains for extreme hypertrophy.
That having been said, if the point here is that steroids are a MAJOR factor of pro bodybuilding - point taken.
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He Looks like Ferrigno in his 50's
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=58112.0;attach=68645;image)
HAHHH LOOK IN THE BACKGROUND....YOU CAN SEE FERRIGNO THE BEAST. hahhahah
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meh, Gaspari is almost 43. I'm sure he got his fair share of babes in his prime. Imagine being 23 years old and Mr. World? You would get tons of figure hotties on status alone.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/13.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/5.JPG)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgasparichestandlegs/12.JPG)
Coleman is 42 :)
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Rich Gaspari looking massive still.
his body or his head? ;)
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looks like Gunther has a Brokeback Mountain belt buckle on.
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Coleman is 42 :)
hmm, good point lol.
In fact, Ronnie is not even a year older than Gaspari.
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/ronniecoleman.html
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/richgaspari.html
But then again, is Ronnie really all that big Adonis? ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=42976.0
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Darrem.What a Beast.
TRUE ADONIS.......WHAT A BEAST!!!.....MONSTER TRICEPS!!!!.............OH BROTHER ::)
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True Adonis looks pretty big for a natural(He's natural right?) If he dieted down he would look pretty good. Nothing to make fun of that's for sure.
Why isn't Gunter Competing at the Arnold? Does he just compete at the Olympia?
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adonis, what happened? I've seen you look leaner and better than that! are you bulking here or what?
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TRUE ADONIS.......WHAT A BEAST!!!.....MONSTER TRICEPS!!!!.............OH BROTHER ::)
Damn Adonis looks like shit. Does not have good genetics at all. Shitty forearms, biceps and triceps. He's got some nerve to make fun of the pros.
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yeah, shity genetics. probably make a good wwe wrastler though kinda looks like Andre the not so giant.
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Are you guys retarded do you expect the pros to stay on all year round. its good to see bodybuilders laying off the juice and giving their system a break
I agree with you, not everyone stays huge year around. Haters post your picks of you on and off, lets have a real laugh. The pros are bigger than you on or off, hate all you want at least they are pros what are all of you.
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
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HAHHH LOOK IN THE BACKGROUND....YOU CAN SEE FERRIGNO THE BEAST. hahhahah
carefull you might owe the HULK another 20$ for this one....lol
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
sure he is, even so if he is 480 lbs. in that shape keep workin it.
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
Then Adonis weighs 540 lbs if he's twice my size! I had NO IDEA! Sorry for ever doubting you Adonis. Apollo, do you forgive me?
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
haha.......ok "johnny apollo"....oh brother what a name. ::)
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"Twice the size" is just a phrase your smart asses.
The fact of the matter is Adonis is most likely much larger and more muscular than you three.
Adonis actually posts his pictures,Do any of you?
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"Twice the size" is just a phrase your smart asses.
The fact of the matter is Adonis is most likely much larger and more muscular than you three.
Adonis actually posts his pictures,Do any of you?
we're not the ones degrading the pros here. so quit sucking his nuts.
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"Twice the size" is just a phrase your smart asses.
The fact of the matter is Adonis is most likely much larger and more muscular than you three.
Adonis actually posts his pictures,Do any of you?
yes..yes i do.
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we're not the ones degrading the pros here. so quit sucking his nuts.
No but you're degrading him. According to your logic you must be more muscular than someone to be able to degrade them. You're degrading him because he's degrading the pro's while he is less muscular than they are. Yet you're degrading him without any proof YOU are more muscular than HE is.
Let's see your pictures.
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yes..yes i do.
I don't feel like searching so post them up and let's compaire you two.
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I don't feel like searching so post them up and let's compaire you two.
go look youself they are on the pics,first page. ;)
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my degrading him has nothing to do with logic. it's just if he's gonna give it should be ok to get it.
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I agree with you, not everyone stays huge year around. Haters post your picks of you on and off, lets have a real laugh. The pros are bigger than you on or off, hate all you want at least they are pros what are all of you.
very true
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my degrading him has nothing to do with logic. it's just if he's gonna give it should be ok to get it.
You're degrading him for degrading the pro's when he doesn't have a physique as you say yet you haven't proven your physiquer is superior to his.
Post some pictures.
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dude you're startin to sound gay beggin me to post pics. Bottom line is his physique sucks. yours probably does to. later Fag.
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dude you're startin to sound gay beggin me to post pics. Bottom line is his physique sucks. yours probably does to. later Fag.
Nice copout. Accuse me of being gay so you don't have to prove your physique is better than True Adonis's.
::)
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heres a clue
johnny appollo is either sarcasm, true adonis, or one of their lackeys.
adonis is a big guy and no doubt strong as fuck, one of the strongest on these boards id say. but the way he is completely ripping on people who are bigger than him and leaner than him, and who actually have a decent BB structure is a little over the top. also, i have yet to see a TA picture where he has anywehre near a sixpack. a TRUE adonis would def have that, at least for summertime.
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After those pics, Yates looks HUGE. :D
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hahaha, looks like a gay latin midget.
hahaha..lmao fukin great comment
Exactly what i was thinkin
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
Hi Adonis.
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BTW, Gunter and Labrada do look pretty huge in those pics. You SQUAD clowns need serious help.
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TRUE ADONIS.......WHAT A BEAST!!!.....MONSTER TRICEPS!!!!.............OH BROTHER ::)
MONSTER BLUE SPANDEX TANK TOP!
MONSTER TRICEPS!
MONSTER WATER RETENTION!
MONSTER SHAPE AND AESTHETICS!
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Gunter has his own way's to break and train on to be in olympia shape,i'm sure if he hit chemical's year round he be ugly huge then you guy's will rag how unhealthy he look's .labrada competed last 10 year's ago and look's good considering most of his competitive peer's are worse off.I bet he's lost only 15 to 20 lbs if that,sure his conditioning isn't contest super hard at least he is lean.comparing gaspari's 42 to coleman's is assanine considering coleman is mr olympia and on drug's at least 6-8 months out of the year.totally different eras and genetcs,gaspari could still hold his own better than most people on this board.true adonis is strong as you say,but has "zero"physique potential ;)
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adonis, what happened? I've seen you look leaner and better than that! are you bulking here or what?
Old ass picture from 2003
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I win again.
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Soon you will see the most shocking thing of your lives.....
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Soon you will see the most shocking thing of your lives.....
Victor Martinez showing up in shape to justify his high placings?
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Victor Martinez showing up in shape to justify his high placings?
shut the fuck up and listen, bitc.h.
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shut the f**k up and listen, bitc.h.
Go on, then. Say something worthwhile. ;D
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:)
I'm curious, did Big Lou (in the background) get his $20.00?
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Old ass picture from 2003
Your new and improved look. ::)
(http://www.barburrentals.com/props/wine-barrell.jpg)
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the sad thing is that you think those pros gunter...labrada...and the rest of the gang are clean in those pics. they are far far FAR from clean...they just dont train as much and do the pizza dominos/subway thing more often. there is always something in the system at this level and at any other level that is worth talking about.
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true adonis, sarcasm, johnny butthole, and mars all suck donkeys dry. what a punk ass loser. always has been, always will be. he (they) have been a joke since ive been on here. what a pathetic life to spend it hating everyone and everything and be a piece of shit physique that will never win a show. biatch
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true adonis, sarcasm, johnny butthole, and mars all suck donkeys dry. what a punk ass loser. always has been, always will be. he (they) have been a joke since ive been on here. what a pathetic life to spend it hating everyone and everything and be a piece of shit physique that will never win a show. biatch
Meltdown.
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Meltdown.
That one never gets old and is an essential, while posting on getbig.
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didn't we go through this last year with Gunter and then he came to the Olympia looking really good
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I win again.
Didn't Ron call you out for having a couple of accounts?
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Soon you will see the most shocking thing of your lives.....
the only thing i can think of is new pictures of you since you havent posted any for a while
looking forward to it
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lebrada,gaspari and the other retired pros still look pretty good imo,they made their mark and they moved on to other things,you could see they still workout but they aint drugging it.lebrada had one of the best builds around back in the day,so did gaspari.
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i cant believe the way y'all worship the midgets
do ya'll worship male gynastics too lol
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Gunther is a pretty big guy, no doubt. The loss in size these guys have once they stop their thousand dollar cycles, is amazing. They should just accept being a 212lb BEAST like me year round and not worry about jacking themselves in the ass weekly. ;D Granted, that is there profession, at least that's a good reason.
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TRUE ADONIS.......WHAT A BEAST!!!.....MONSTER TRICEPS!!!!.............OH BROTHER ::)
I hear they are casting for a remake of "the Munsters" TA, you'd be perfect for herman...
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True Adonis looks pretty big for a natural(He's natural right?) If he dieted down he would look pretty good. Nothing to make fun of that's for sure.
Why isn't Gunter Competing at the Arnold? Does he just compete at the Olympia?
adonis, what happened? I've seen you look leaner and better than that! are you bulking here or what?
hahahahahaha you are so pethetic, i like this one "(He's natural right?)" ahahahaahaaaa!!!
TA these must be ur 15th accounts or something. It's pretty obvious that your answering your posts. nobody thinks you have a good physique. just........pathetic.. :'(
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I'm willing to be Adonis is twice the size of most of you people making fun of him.
jeffrey,quadzilla456,Snotroot
Yet another account by True Anus, you sad pathetic muppet >:(
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shut the f**k up and listen, bitc.h.
meltdown.
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Here we go again. Another typical knock the pros thread started by Adonis. So predictable. YAWN
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Here we go again. Another typical knock the pros thread started by Adonis. So predictable. YAWN
didn't you see TA's pic from earlier in the thread? If anyone should be knocking the development of pro's it's this guy, talk about a high quality physique ::) ::) ::) ::)
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BTW, Gunter and Labrada do look pretty huge in those pics. You SQUAD clowns need serious help.
I agree. I am sure Labrada's arms are bigger then most people's legs around here.
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Gunther is a pretty big guy, no doubt. The loss in size these guys have once they stop their thousand dollar cycles, is amazing. They should just accept being a 212lb BEAST like me year round and not worry about jacking themselves in the ass weekly. ;D Granted, that is there profession, at least that's a good reason.
Weekly?
Even your average juicer jabs themselves 2+ times per week.
Throw in Growth, IGF, Insulin and it's more like 5-6 times per day.
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Soon you will see the most shocking thing of your lives.....
TA, u gonna post a new pic of your amazing physique and transformation?? Is that the "shocking thing"?? ;D
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Old ass picture from 2003
yeah but you were still running your big fuckin mouth back then....
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yeah but you were still running your big fuckin mouth back then....
You know whats funny. He shut up once that pic was posted of him. How is someone ginna call out pros when they look like a teenage wrestler, how did you do in your state tournement Adonis
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Adonis did you take those pictures, or find them on the web?
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Is it me or does Ferrigno's arm look reeeeeally small.
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lous arms do look alittle down in that pic,im hoping its the angle or something :o
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lous arms do look alittle down in that pic,im hoping its the angle or something :o
Maybe he has finally come off completley cause he got a cop job. ;D
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Here are some better shots, courtesy of the good guys at http://www.bbszene.de
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One more.
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Hahahaha all the pros naturally look 2 times the size of Adonis, thats why he is ripping on them!
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You know Gunther plowed the bitch after the expo
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You know Gunther plowed the bitch after the expo
I think Adonis is jealous because Gunther can get better looking girls than he can.
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I've seen adonis's girl. she's pretty good looking, better looking then that wall eyed lady in the picture
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I think Adonis is jealous because Gunther can get better looking girls than he can.
adonis is jealous because he's an attention whore and, if he was at the arnold which I'm assuming he was no one wanted anything to do with his mis-shapen ass.
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I've seen adonis's girl. she's pretty good looking, better looking then that wall eyed lady in the picture
all you y boarders have claimed to see each other and each others girls ::)
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all you y boarders have claimed to see each other and each others girls ::)
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I'm being serious. It was a halloween picture.
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I'm being serious. It was a halloween picture.
post it
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I'll see if I still have it at home. I don't know if I saved it since it was sent over AIM. I know Bast has it. Check with adonis. I'm sure he wouldn't mind sending it
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how comes all pro bbers looks like they have anti acne cream or oil painted all over the face constently...
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how comes all pro bbers looks like they have anti acne cream or oil painted all over the face constently...
cause they don't want to look like an ass
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If any of you is wondering why The True Adonis hasn't responded yet, he still is photoshopping his pics to look good ;)
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If any of you is wondering why The True Adonis hasn't responded yet, he still is photoshopping his pics to look good ;)
I really doubt that! He can't even use a camera properly.. I think he is doing special favors to the Y so they photoshope the shit out of him, literally!
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Hahahaha all the pros naturally look 2 times the size of Adonis, thats why he is ripping on them!
"Naturally"? You actually believe gunter is "natural"?
What,You stop taking steroids for a few months and you think all of your muscle vanishes? Haha. You really ARE stupid.
You can do a single cycle of Steroids and gain 30lbs and keep that weight on for years without ever doing another cycle if you keep exercising and eating right. Muscle doesn't just vanish in a few months once you stop using steroids or working out. Gunter at 6'1" or however tall he is..Would NEVER be as large as he is currently without anabolic steroids. IF he could be that size naturally,You'd see natural bodybuilders about his size. Gunter might be 210 TOPS naturally at 6'1" if he had never used anabolic steroids. He's about 270 or so currently.
You don't know shit about anabolic steroids or the human body. Don't make ignorant comments.
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"Naturally"? You actually believe gunter is "natural"?
What,You stop taking steroids for a few months and you think all of your muscle vanishes? Haha. You really ARE stupid.
You can do a single cycle of Steroids and gain 30lbs and keep that weight on for years without ever doing another cycle if you keep exercising and eating right. Muscle doesn't just vanish in a few months once you stop using steroids or working out. Gunter at 6'1" or however tall he is..Would NEVER be as large as he is currently without anabolic steroids. IF he could be that size naturally,You'd see natural bodybuilders about his size. Gunter might be 210 TOPS naturally at 6'1" if he had never used anabolic steroids. He's about 270 or so currently.
You don't know shit about anabolic steroids or the human body. Don't make ignorant comments.
very true
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"Naturally"? You actually believe gunter is "natural"?
What,You stop taking steroids for a few months and you think all of your muscle vanishes? Haha. You really ARE stupid.
You can do a single cycle of Steroids and gain 30lbs and keep that weight on for years without ever doing another cycle if you keep exercising and eating right. Muscle doesn't just vanish in a few months once you stop using steroids or working out. Gunter at 6'1" or however tall he is..Would NEVER be as large as he is currently without anabolic steroids. IF he could be that size naturally,You'd see natural bodybuilders about his size. Gunter might be 210 TOPS naturally at 6'1" if he had never used anabolic steroids. He's about 270 or so currently.
You don't know shit about anabolic steroids or the human body. Don't make ignorant comments.
FUCKING RETARD, "PROS" NEVER STOPS STEROIDS COMPLETELY, they are always on a maintenance dose while "off", these guys are lifetime juicers, if they stop taking steroids their test level is just shot down.
Even guys like lou ferrigno in their 50 and a lot of others pros like labrada gaspari yates flex etc are STILL ont it because they simply cant stop cause their body wouldnt be able to take it.
And you wonder why even suposedly "off" they are larger than any natural???? thats because they just lowered their intakes fucking smartass, not because they are "genetically gifted" damn stupid gay worshipper.
Talk about being ignorant...
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Even if all their life they have been using HCG and Clomid with their cycle ?
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"Johnny Apollo" and "analcandy" are both True Adonis.
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"Johnny Apollo" and "analcandy" are both True Adonis.
i'm no johny homo or true anus, sorry.
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I like how Adonis pretends to argue with himself. Truly a sick individual.
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I also like how they both registered within two days of each other, and have the exact same writing style.
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I also like how they both registered within two days of each other, and have the exact same writing style.
holy shit dude, you watch too much tv.
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FUCKING RETARD, "PROS" NEVER STOPS STEROIDS COMPLETELY, they are always on a maintenance dose while "off", these guys are lifetime juicers, if they stop taking steroids their test level is just shot down.
Even guys like lou ferrigno in their 50 and a lot of others pros like labrada gaspari yates flex etc are STILL ont it because they simply cant stop cause their body wouldnt be able to take it.
And you wonder why even suposedly "off" they are larger than any natural???? thats because they just lowered their intakes fucking smartass, not because they are "genetically gifted" damn stupid gay worshipper.
Talk about being ignorant...
You know nothing about Anabolic Steroids or the Endocrine system. If the Pro's used a "Never ending cycle" they would kneel over and die. Pro's are....PRO's. Most of them know what they are doing when it comes to anabolic steroids. Anyone who knows anything about Anabolic Steroids knows that you "Cycle" them. Meaning you use them for about 12-16 weeks and then stop using to give your organs a break.
If the Pro's were using them year round on never ending cycles Pro's would be dropping dead like flies. That kind of pressure on the liver would kill them.
Secondly Do you even know what PCT is? I doubt it so i'll explain. PCT AKA "Post cycle Therapy" is when you stop using the anabolic steroids you use another drug while coming off of the steroids to jumpstart your natural testosterone production. When you go on a Steroid cycle your body shuts down natural testosterone levels because the test levels are too high(The body likes a balanced hormone system and this is called homeostasis). Since the Body shuts down it's natural testosterone production suddenly ending Steroid use would cause the Body to have to function on Low Testosterone Levels. This would cause loss of muscle and mood changes but it would NOT cause them to die.
Anyone who knows anything about Steroids (And the Pro's obviously do this or else they would not be able to keep such mass after a steroid cycle) knows that you have to during your cycle or right before you end it(Depending on your estrogen levels) start "PCT" post cycle therapy. There are two basic types of drugs used to prevent excess estrogen levels in the Body and to jumpstart the natural test levels. There are "SERM's" Selective estrogen receptor modulators and there are aromatase inhibitors. SERM's selectivly modulate estrogen receptors(Hence the name) meaning they change specific estrogen receptors so that estrogen molecules can't attach to them and do their work. There are also aromatase inhibitors, Aromatase is a gene that regulats the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen.(Test naturally converts to estrogen). When you take Aromatase inhibitors it blocks the gene that does this thus prevening the Testosterone in your body from converting to the Female Hormone Estrogen(Which is bad for bodybuilders).
So this is your free Chemistry/Endocrinology lesson. I doubt you'd even comprehend what i'm saying though...So I probably wasted my time typing that up. So let me put it a bit simpler....
OWNED
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BrianX is infatuated with Adonis. He thinks everyone is Adonis.
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You know nothing about Anabolic Steroids or the Endocrine system. If the Pro's used a "Never ending cycle" they would kneel over and die. Pro's are....PRO's. Most of them know what they are doing when it comes to anabolic steroids. Anyone who knows anything about Anabolic Steroids knows that you "Cycle" them. Meaning you use them for about 12-16 weeks and then stop using to give your organs a break.
If the Pro's were using them year round on never ending cycles Pro's would be dropping dead like flies. That kind of pressure on the liver would kill them.
Secondly Do you even know what PCT is? I doubt it so i'll explain. PCT AKA "Post cycle Therapy" is when you stop using the anabolic steroids you use another drug while coming off of the steroids to jumpstart your natural testosterone production. When you go on a Steroid cycle your body shuts down natural testosterone levels because the test levels are too high(The body likes a balanced hormone system and this is called homeostasis). Since the Body shuts down it's natural testosterone production suddenly ending Steroid use would cause the Body to have to function on Low Testosterone Levels. This would cause loss of muscle and mood changes but it would NOT cause them to die.
Anyone who knows anything about Steroids (And the Pro's obviously do this or else they would not be able to keep such mass after a steroid cycle) knows that you have to during your cycle or right before you end it(Depending on your estrogen levels) start "PCT" post cycle therapy. There are two basic types of drugs used to prevent excess estrogen levels in the Body and to jumpstart the natural test levels. There are "SERM's" Selective estrogen receptor modulators and there are aromatase inhibitors. SERM's selectivly modulate estrogen receptors(Hence the name) meaning they change specific estrogen receptors so that estrogen molecules can't attach to them and do their work. There are also aromatase inhibitors, Aromatase is a gene that regulats the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen.(Test naturally converts to estrogen). When you take Aromatase inhibitors it blocks the gene that does this thus prevening the Testosterone in your body from converting to the Female Hormone Estrogen(Which is bad for bodybuilders).
So this is your free Chemistry/Endocrinology lesson. I doubt you'd even comprehend what i'm saying though...So I probably wasted my time typing that up.
meltdown.
Lot of gurus /doctor science wanabees on the internet.
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meltdown.
Lot of gurus /doctor science wanabees on the internet.
You dumbfuck..."Meltdown" is the only comeback you have to my massive OWNING of you? Haha
Unless you can address everything I posted and refute it...Don't call me a "wannabe" you moron.
It's obvious you don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about,Otherwise you could address my posts intelligently.
This is the 2nd owning of you from me. The last one was about the "Supposed" side effects of Anabolic Steroids where I called you out and you ran away. You're doing it again here.
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You dumbfuck..."Meltdown" is the only comeback you have to my massive OWNING of you? Haha
Unless you can address everything I posted and refute it...Don't call me a "wannabe" you moron.
It's obvious you don't have a clue what the f**k you're talking about,Otherwise you could address my posts intelligently.
This is the 2nd owning of you from me. The last one was about the "Supposed" side effects of Anabolic Steroids where I called you out and you ran away. You're doing it again here.
yeah oooookaaay ::) whatever
oh brother, i can imagine you dancing in your student room,hurling "OOOOOOWNEDDD AHAHA I OwNED HIM so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad ! damn im god" boucing your skinny little pre teen body on the walls....
basically pros are pros because they are always on the juice, because they have synthol injections done by surgeons, and because they have no life and rely on other people to earn money and buy their drugs.
Whatever you says, thats a fact, there s nothing about genetics or "hard work", it's all about fucking amount of drugs they inject and the incapacity of doing something else of their life.
Now keep your cut & pastes bullshits for you, who fucking cares.
Do you think some of your heroes will give you a medal for worshiping/defending em or justifying their acts on the internet?
Get a life homo.
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basically pros are pros because they are always on the juice, because they have synthol injections done by surgeons, and because they have no life and rely on other people to earn money and buy their drugs.
1.I've already refuted them being on AAS year round.
2.Why would they have a surgeon inject them with Synthol? Do you even know what Synthol is?
3.They have no life? Who the fuck are you to say they have no life? Coleman,Cutler..These people are millionairs. They make tons of money. Do what they love. THAT is their life.
Whatever you says, thats a fact, there s nothing about genetics or "hard work", it's all about fucking amount of drugs they inject and the incapacity of doing something else of their life.
If it's nothing but AAS then why is it that everyone who does AAS isn't a pro bodybuilder? Why isn't the joeblow in the gym down the street who injects 5 time as much as any Pro does a pro?
Your reasoning makes no sense.
Now keep your cut & pastes bullshits for you, who fucking cares.
I never cut and paste anything. If you accuse me of cutting and pasting then provide the source of it. Everything I type is directly from me.
Don't make claims you can't back up fucktwit.
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No no Captain Apollo cannot be Adonis or else he contradicts himself. Brianx and AnalyRaped I can believe are true adonis because they are so freaking stupid.
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IDIOTS!!! Stop making fun of pro's... Oooh look so and so's arms look 19 inches. gimme a break.
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http://media.putfile.com/shereen
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You know nothing about Anabolic Steroids or the Endocrine system. If the Pro's used a "Never ending cycle" they would kneel over and die. Pro's are....PRO's. Most of them know what they are doing when it comes to anabolic steroids. Anyone who knows anything about Anabolic Steroids knows that you "Cycle" them. Meaning you use them for about 12-16 weeks and then stop using to give your organs a break.
If the Pro's were using them year round on never ending cycles Pro's would be dropping dead like flies. That kind of pressure on the liver would kill them.
Secondly Do you even know what PCT is? I doubt it so i'll explain. PCT AKA "Post cycle Therapy" is when you stop using the anabolic steroids you use another drug while coming off of the steroids to jumpstart your natural testosterone production. When you go on a Steroid cycle your body shuts down natural testosterone levels because the test levels are too high(The body likes a balanced hormone system and this is called homeostasis). Since the Body shuts down it's natural testosterone production suddenly ending Steroid use would cause the Body to have to function on Low Testosterone Levels. This would cause loss of muscle and mood changes but it would NOT cause them to die.
Anyone who knows anything about Steroids (And the Pro's obviously do this or else they would not be able to keep such mass after a steroid cycle) knows that you have to during your cycle or right before you end it(Depending on your estrogen levels) start "PCT" post cycle therapy. There are two basic types of drugs used to prevent excess estrogen levels in the Body and to jumpstart the natural test levels. There are "SERM's" Selective estrogen receptor modulators and there are aromatase inhibitors. SERM's selectivly modulate estrogen receptors(Hence the name) meaning they change specific estrogen receptors so that estrogen molecules can't attach to them and do their work. There are also aromatase inhibitors, Aromatase is a gene that regulats the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen.(Test naturally converts to estrogen). When you take Aromatase inhibitors it blocks the gene that does this thus prevening the Testosterone in your body from converting to the Female Hormone Estrogen(Which is bad for bodybuilders).
So this is your free Chemistry/Endocrinology lesson. I doubt you'd even comprehend what i'm saying though...So I probably wasted my time typing that up. So let me put it a bit simpler....
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Johhny, this is all correct for the average steroid user, and maybe some of the smaller pros. But top tier pros NEVER come off, if they did they would lose way too much size and never be able to regain it.
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I think Adonis is jealous because Gunther can get better looking girls than he can.
ROFL
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No no Captain Apollo cannot be Adonis or else he contradicts himself. Brianx and AnalyRaped I can believe are true adonis because they are so freaking stupid.
I never contradict myself. If you claim I do..Point it out. Otherwise STFU.
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Johhny, this is all correct for the average steroid user, and maybe some of the smaller pros. But top tier pros NEVER come off, if they did they would lose way too much size and never be able to regain it.
Wrong....Talk to Any Pro who is open about their steroid use and they will tell you that the amount they use is average. The people claiming they use extreme doses of steroids are the people who have used steroids and didn't gain much weight so they conclude the pro's must use excessive amounts to get their size...
In reality the Pro's train their ass off and have great genetics plus they use AAS. In reality the Pro's who use excessive amounts are the one's who never place very well. The ones you would not expect. Most Low Teir NPC competitors use 5 times as much as Top level professionals do. Most 230lb Joe Blow's training in the Gym down the street use 10 times as much as TOp level Pro's do and still look like crap.
Spend some time on an Anabolic Steroid board. Some people post some incredible doses that they use and extreme cycles and then post their pictures and you wouldn't even think they were using steroids..Just normal flabby guys with a few pounds of muscle added.
If you used these substances year round...Your liver would give out within a few years. The fact that we don't see pro's dying left and right is proof they don't use extreme doses. Ronnie Coleman is in his Mid 40's...There is no way he would of lived to that age on a year round cycle for over 10 years...Not Possible. Your liver toxicity levels would be off the charts if you tried to go on a year round cycle,Espically with excessive doses and stacking.
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I never contradict myself. If you claim I do..Point it out. Otherwise STFU.
Learn to read, peabrain! I said if you realy are True Anus then you wouldn't be supporting steroids. Unless you are saying that you really are Adonis.
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I've talked to 4 pro's openly about cycles and their usage, most recently on Sat. night at an after hours club...
most of them say more or less the same thing, 2,000-4,000mg of test a week + whatever else (50mg winny ED for ex.)
I think the obvious thing most here are missing is that these guys for the most part don't work, and if they do then it's cushy and lax jobs like personal training or nutritoin advice, etc. which means when they're not lifting they can eat the whole day.
The one piece of advice I did get from all the pro's (all on seperate occasion and places) was that you need more then 1,200mg's of test a week to grow, that was pretty much said by all.
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I don't really know where this discussion has been going but in case this has not been said already, remember gunter looked very small before last years olympia and came in pretty damn good shape. So whatever he's doing who gives a shit, its obviously working for him and probably a whole lot safer too. Guys like levrone, ronnie, gunter and (perhaps) jay seem to realise the benefit of being clean for most of the year. Noone was more phenomenal than levrone though for coming up.
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Wrong....Talk to Any Pro who is open about their steroid use and they will tell you that the amount they use is average. The people claiming they use extreme doses of steroids are the people who have used steroids and didn't gain much weight so they conclude the pro's must use excessive amounts to get their size...
In reality the Pro's train their ass off and have great genetics plus they use AAS. In reality the Pro's who use excessive amounts are the one's who never place very well. The ones you would not expect. Most Low Teir NPC competitors use 5 times as much as Top level professionals do. Most 230lb Joe Blow's training in the Gym down the street use 10 times as much as TOp level Pro's do and still look like crap.
Spend some time on an Anabolic Steroid board. Some people post some incredible doses that they use and extreme cycles and then post their pictures and you wouldn't even think they were using steroids..Just normal flabby guys with a few pounds of muscle added.
If you used these substances year round...Your liver would give out within a few years. The fact that we don't see pro's dying left and right is proof they don't use extreme doses. Ronnie Coleman is in his Mid 40's...There is no way he would of lived to that age on a year round cycle for over 10 years...Not Possible. Your liver toxicity levels would be off the charts if you tried to go on a year round cycle,Espically with excessive doses and stacking.
You know jack shit about steroids. Testosterone is not toxic and there are a lot of people who have been on for several decades and are still healthy. Orals can be toxic but I know guys who have cycled heavy doses of orals for a decade and their livers are fine. Get a clue. ::)
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dorian
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2006/arnold_classic_2006/tag1_expo/P3031147.JPG)
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dorian
(http://www.bbszene.de/html/2006/arnold_classic_2006/tag1_expo/P3031147.JPG)
his shoulders are still 3 times the size of the average man's and if he had his shirt off I bet most in here would be surprised how muscular he would look
he's alot bigger than the guy next to him who probably think he's a muscular guy even though he has a double chin ::)
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his shoulders are still 3 times the size of the average man's and if he had his shirt off I bet most in here would be surprised how muscular he would look
he's alot bigger than the guy next to him who probably think he's a muscular guy even though he has a double chin ::)
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That "guy" is Flex Lewis from the UK....he's supposedly an up-and-comer.
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Wtf are you talking about Flex lewis is 2 time more muscular than dorian :o
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Wtf are you talking about Flex lewis is 2 time more muscular than dorian :o
you mean two times more fat ::)
look at his face and neck
in the condition they are in the pic dorian would own him on stage
you guys are probably the guys that walk around at 25% bodyfat thinking you're "huge" lol
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You know jack shit about steroids. Testosterone is not toxic and there are a lot of people who have been on for several decades and are still healthy. Orals can be toxic but I know guys who have cycled heavy doses of orals for a decade and their livers are fine. Get a clue. ::)
Bumping this. ^^^^
The New England Journal of Medicine ran a peer-reviewed study of a 12 week long 600 mg/week cycle of test. enanthate.....
Results: ZERO side effects on liver enzymes.
Infer from this what you will. Granted 600 mg isn't shit but the writing is on the wall.
Test is EXTREMELY well tolerated at high doses for long periods. Medical fact.
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Thanks to their genetics, the best pros don't need tonnes of juice to pile on tonnes of muscle. They just happen to have a greater genetic propensity towards gaining muscle mass. Like Dave Polumbo said, once you take more than a certain amount of juice a week, the only thing that increases are the side effects.
In Dillett's final article for MD, he talked about how he and his former room-mate Lee Priest McCutcheon both took surprisingly low doses. Furthermore, Lee said in MD that people who do use gear year round are total nads who are going to kill themselves. These two are among the most genetically blessed athletes ever to compete on the IFBB stage.
It's tremendously important to "clean up" after the contest season to detoxify the system. no gear and plenty of cranberry juice are important.
Just because the Pros are blessed is no reason to hate on them - proffesional bodybuilders are icons and glowing examples of what is possible through hard work
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You know jack shit about steroids. Testosterone is not toxic and there are a lot of people who have been on for several decades and are still healthy. Orals can be toxic but I know guys who have cycled heavy doses of orals for a decade and their livers are fine. Get a clue. ::)
WRONG...
Anabolic Steroid use can temporarly increase LDL cholesterol levels and increases liver toxicity.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-02/uoc--asu021706.php
Testosterone itself's liver toxicity is low but testosterone isn't the only steroid Pro bodybuilders use.
Anadrol,Anavar,Dianabol...ALL have high liver toxicity levels.
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Bumping this. ^^^^
The New England Journal of Medicine ran a peer-reviewed study of a 12 week long 600 mg/week cycle of test. enanthate.....
Results: ZERO side effects on liver enzymes.
Infer from this what you will. Granted 600 mg isn't shit but the writing is on the wall.
Test is EXTREMELY well tolerated at high doses for long periods. Medical fact.
If you think Testosterone is the only Steroid Pro's use you're deluding yourself.
Secondly Testosterone has other side effects than liver toxicity when used continously including high blood pressure and decreased HPTA functions.
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So as a normal person who never took anything, I conclude that this thread says to take TEst and its safe... like Arnold and Barry do..
OK well based on what they say on the internet... I am going to purchase that somewhere ::) ::) ::)
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Thanks to their genetics, the best pros don't need tonnes of juice to pile on tonnes of muscle. They just happen to have a greater genetic propensity towards gaining muscle mass. Like Dave Polumbo said, once you take more than a certain amount of juice a week, the only thing that increases are the side effects.
In Dillett's final article for MD, he talked about how he and his former room-mate Lee Priest McCutcheon both took surprisingly low doses. Furthermore, Lee said in MD that people who do use gear year round are total nads who are going to kill themselves. These two are among the most genetically blessed athletes ever to compete on the IFBB stage.
It's tremendously important to "clean up" after the contest season to detoxify the system. no gear and plenty of cranberry juice are important.
Just because the Pros are blessed is no reason to hate on them - proffesional bodybuilders are icons and glowing examples of what is possible through hard work
You're correct. Once you reach a certain point in dosage you just can't grow anymore from it no matter how much you increase. Some people after taking for several years can continue to increase their dose to 10 TIMES the amount they took before and still won't see benefits from it but will see plenty of side effects.
Pro's aren't big because they simply use more drugs than anyone else,That's absurd. If it were true than anyone abusing steroids could be as big as a pro and compete aside them...This isn't the case.
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Yes Flex lewis is alot more muscular than Dorian is right now. Look at their forearms, It's obvious.
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i dont know about that. look at the forearms yes. but look at this guy's OTHER forearm. when you pose like that the forearm always looks big. and look at the chest comparison. dorian kills him.
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Wrong....Talk to Any Pro who is open about their steroid use and they will tell you that the amount they use is average. The people claiming they use extreme doses of steroids are the people who have used steroids and didn't gain much weight so they conclude the pro's must use excessive amounts to get their size...
In reality the Pro's train their ass off and have great genetics plus they use AAS. In reality the Pro's who use excessive amounts are the one's who never place very well. The ones you would not expect. Most Low Teir NPC competitors use 5 times as much as Top level professionals do. Most 230lb Joe Blow's training in the Gym down the street use 10 times as much as TOp level Pro's do and still look like crap.
Spend some time on an Anabolic Steroid board. Some people post some incredible doses that they use and extreme cycles and then post their pictures and you wouldn't even think they were using steroids..Just normal flabby guys with a few pounds of muscle added.
If you used these substances year round...Your liver would give out within a few years. The fact that we don't see pro's dying left and right is proof they don't use extreme doses. Ronnie Coleman is in his Mid 40's...There is no way he would of lived to that age on a year round cycle for over 10 years...Not Possible. Your liver toxicity levels would be off the charts if you tried to go on a year round cycle,Espically with excessive doses and stacking.
you really have no clue what you are taking about. Ronnie is "on" 24/7 365. Simple knowlege of human physiology and evolutionary biology would tell you that. If *any* top pro comes "off" they will shoot down in size dramatically. There was recently a top amateur competitor who died and apparently he had been "on" since 1996. Granted, Ronnie likely doesnt dose as high when he takes 3 months off, but he definitely is still on, and at much higher than HRT levels. What you are saying may have held true in the 70s and 80s when size was not nearly as important, but nowadays, WHY would a top pro come off?
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i dont know about that. look at the forearms yes. but look at this guy's OTHER forearm. when you pose like that the forearm always looks big. and look at the chest comparison. dorian kills him.
Dorian is simply taller. Other than that Flex Lewis makes him look puny muscularly.
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you really have no clue what you are taking about. Ronnie is "on" 24/7 365. Simple knowlege of human physiology and evolutionary biology would tell you that.
Big words you don't understand...Explain how Evolitionary Biology would tell me that..haha.
If *any* top pro comes "off" they will shoot down in size dramatically. There was recently a top amateur competitor who died and apparently he had been "on" since 1996.
1.I've already explained PCT, Learn to read. With Post Cycle Therapy the loss of size is reduced dramatically. This is what Pro's do.
2.Source? Doctor record proving he had been using since 1996 nonstop?
What you are saying may have held true in the 70s and 80s when size was not nearly as important, but nowadays, WHY would a top pro come off?
Because if they didn't they would of died years ago from liver failure, Heart attack or other serious problems. A "Non stop cycle" would give the body no time to repair itself from the steroid cycle and seriously damage the endocrine system along with your internal organs. If Most Pro's were on a "never ending cycle" we would see them dying right and left...We don't.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
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If you think Testosterone is the only Steroid Pro's use you're deluding yourself.
Secondly Testosterone has other side effects than liver toxicity when used continously including high blood pressure and decreased HPTA functions.
Gee, they use other stuff too?
I'll alert the media.
You said they wouldn't have a LIVER left.
I was debating that point. Please, if you want to have an intelligent debate try and stay on topic.
Otherwise, I won't bother.
High blood pressure stresses Kidney function BTW, and a depressed HPTA won't kill anyone.
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Big words you don't understand...Explain how Evolitionary Biology would tell me that..haha.
1.I've already explained PCT, Learn to read. With Post Cycle Therapy the loss of size is reduced dramatically. This is what Pro's do.
2.Source? Doctor record proving he had been using since 1996 nonstop?
Because if they didn't they would of died years ago from liver failure, Heart attack or other serious problems. A "Non stop cycle" would give the body no time to repair itself from the steroid cycle and seriously damage the endocrine system along with your internal organs. If Most Pro's were on a "never ending cycle" we would see them dying right and left...We don't.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I was holding back but now I will say, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON! :-\
"1.I've already explained PCT, Learn to read. With Post Cycle Therapy the loss of size is reduced dramatically. This is what Pro's do."
Once again, you show that you really know nothing. Pros natural testosterone production is SHOT, nothing, zilch. If they come off, it's GAME OVER, they would shrink up faster than a raisin in the desert sun. PCT is worthless for them, even if they do come off, and use whatever testosterone their body can produce, it will not, and cannot, as supported by evolutionary biology, maintain anywhere near the 260-300lb physiques these guys carry around. The body wants to be at 210-215 and it will shrink up until it reaches this size. They are all fighting evolution.
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I was holding back but now I will say, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON! :-\
"1.I've already explained PCT, Learn to read. With Post Cycle Therapy the loss of size is reduced dramatically. This is what Pro's do."
Once again, you show that you really know nothing. Pros natural testosterone production is SHOT, nothing, zilch. If they come off, it's GAME OVER, they would shrink up faster than a raisin in the desert sun. PCT is worthless for them, even if they do come off, and use whatever testosterone their body can produce, it will not, and cannot, as supported by evolutionary biology, maintain anywhere near the 260-300lb physiques these guys carry around. The body wants to be at 210-215 and it will shrink up until it reaches this size. They are all fighting evolution.
You're making absurd claims without explaing yourself or proving your claims.
1.Prove Pro's test production is "shot".
2.Prove if pro's come off of AAS they would not be able to produce testosterone.
3.Prove PCT for them is "Worthless".
4.Prove how any of this is supported by "Evolutionary biology". DO you even know what Evolutionary Biology is? haha
5.The body wants to be around 215lbs? Really? Is that why 160lbs is the average weight in America among adult males EVEN with most of them being overweight? For an average Adult male who is about 5'9" who does not exercise and is not overweight he would naturally be about 140lbs.
Moron....
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Gee, they use other stuff too?
I'll alert the media.
You said they wouldn't have a LIVER left.
I was debating that point. Please, if you want to have an intelligent debate try and stay on topic.
Otherwise, I won't bother.
High blood pressure stresses Kidney function BTW, and a depressed HPTA won't kill anyone.
You aren't making sense. Anabolic Steroids that cause liver toxicity cause liver damage. Excluding those that don't cause high liver toxicity such as Testosterone. But again...Pro's don't just use test so it's irrelevant.
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I was holding back but now I will say, YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON! :-\
LOL...
ANADROL is wicked toxic and is given to freeking CANCER patients for YEARS on end without interruption.
Very few have any liver toxicity and they are given doses no PRO would ever use unless they are insane.
(michalik for instance)
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You're making absurd claims without explaing yourself or proving your claims.
1.Prove Pro's test production is "shot".
2.Prove if pro's come off of AAS they would not be able to produce testosterone.
3.Prove PCT for them is "Worthless".
4.Prove how any of this is supported by "Evolutionary biology". DO you even know what Evolutionary Biology is? haha
5.The body wants to be around 215lbs? Really? Is that why 160lbs is the average weight in America among adult males EVEN with most of them being overweight? For an average Adult male who is about 5'9" who does not exercise and is not overweight he would naturally be about 140lbs.
Moron....
there's two options when a pro comes off, they can't produce any testosterone no matter how much HCG they shoot up, or they can produce. If they *can* produce natural levels of testosterone, you're insight proves my point even further. If the human body wants to settle into homeostasis @ 160lbs, and a juiced pro is coming down from 250lbs, what do you think is going to happen??? ......think about that
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LOL...
ANADROL is wicked toxic and is given to freeking CANCER patients for YEARS on end without interruption.
Very few have any liver toxicity and they are given doses no PRO would ever use unless they are insane.
(michalik for instance)
Provide a soruce showing cancer patients use anadrol for years without ever stopping and their doses are more than what a Pro would use then.
I expect you won't...
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You aren't making sense.
Anabolic Steroids that cause liver toxicity cause liver damage. Excluding those that don't cause high liver toxicity such as Testosterone. But again...Pro's don't just use test so it's irrelevant.
whatever....
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there's two options when a pro comes off, they can't produce any testosterone no matter how much HCG they shoot up, or they can produce. If they *can* produce natural levels of testosterone, you're insight proves my point even further. If the human body wants to settle into homeostasis @ 160lbs, and a juiced pro is coming down from 250lbs, what do you think is going to happen??? ......think about that
Ok First of all....I've never seen anyone's not able to produce ANY testosterone. If they couldn't produce ANY testosterone they would die. Testosterone is required to live.
Second of all How does my "insight" prove any of your point if they can produce natural test levels? When someone comes off of steroid use they CAN produce testosterone but at low levels until their body starts to produce more of it's own.
Third of all..."Homeostasis at 160lbs" makes absolutely no sense. Homeostasis is the equilbrium of the body's chemicals. Human bodyweight varies vastly depending on alot of things including diet and exercise. If Pro comes off of AAS and is at 260lbs bodyweight and avoids any kind of PCT...They might loose 20-30lbs MAX in the first few months of comming off but as i've stated earlier..Muscle doesn't just vanish. As long as you continue training and eating right you will maintain your weight fairly well.
If you're up to 260lbs of solid muscle....It will take DECADES to get back down to 160lbs if it's even ever possible. You'd have to stop exercising completly and go on a 500calorie a day diet. But again....No one does this.
Fourth of all..You've avoided my questions and points in prior posts. Stop running around the questions you coward.
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this guy thinks ronnie comes off the sauce ;) must just be those amazing genetics ronnie has that keeps him around 290 when he takes he 3 months off after the O :o
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Ok First of all....I've never seen anyone's not able to produce ANY testosterone. If they couldn't produce ANY testosterone they would die. Testosterone is required to live.
Second of all How does my "insight" prove any of your point if they can produce natural test levels? When someone comes off of steroid use they CAN produce testosterone but at low levels until their body starts to produce more of it's own.
Third of all..."Homeostasis at 160lbs" makes absolutely no sense. Homeostasis is the equilbrium of the body's chemicals. Human bodyweight varies vastly depending on alot of things including diet and exercise. If Pro comes off of AAS and is at 260lbs bodyweight and avoids any kind of PCT...They might loose 20-30lbs MAX in the first few months of comming off but as i've stated earlier..Muscle doesn't just vanish. As long as you continue training and eating right you will maintain your weight fairly well.
If you're up to 260lbs of solid muscle....It will take DECADES to get back down to 160lbs if it's even ever possible. You'd have to stop exercising completly and go on a 500calorie a day diet. But again....No one does this.
Fourth of all..You've avoided my questions and points in prior posts. Stop running around the questions you coward.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....BWAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH ahahahahahaha idiot of the century award :o
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Provide a soruce showing cancer patients use anadrol for years without ever stopping and their doses are more than what a Pro would use then.
I expect you won't...
All the info you require is in Rick Collins book Legal Muscle.
He cites all the medical info. This is very COMMON knowledge dude.
For the dosage info. go to www.anadrol.com
Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.
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Ok First of all....I've never seen anyone's not able to produce ANY testosterone. If they couldn't produce ANY testosterone they would die. Testosterone is required to live.
Second of all How does my "insight" prove any of your point if they can produce natural test levels? When someone comes off of steroid use they CAN produce testosterone but at low levels until their body starts to produce more of it's own.
Third of all..."Homeostasis at 160lbs" makes absolutely no sense. Homeostasis is the equilbrium of the body's chemicals. Human bodyweight varies vastly depending on alot of things including diet and exercise. If Pro comes off of AAS and is at 260lbs bodyweight and avoids any kind of PCT...They might loose 20-30lbs MAX in the first few months of comming off but as i've stated earlier..Muscle doesn't just vanish. As long as you continue training and eating right you will maintain your weight fairly well.
If you're up to 260lbs of solid muscle....It will take DECADES to get back down to 160lbs if it's even ever possible. You'd have to stop exercising completly and go on a 500calorie a day diet. But again....No one does this.
Fourth of all..You've avoided my questions and points in prior posts. Stop running around the questions you coward.
LOL
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this guy thinks ronnie comes off the sauce ;) must just be those amazing genetics ronnie has that keeps him around 290 when he takes he 3 months off after the O :o
Ronnie doesn't even really compete at 290lbs. Maybe 280 tops. Their weights are overexagerated by the magazines and the sponsors to make them seem larger. Same with their heights.
The reason he actually gains weight the months after the Olympia is due to his ending his dieting. He consumies several times more calories after the Olympia because he had been dieting for months prior. He gains probably 25lbs in the months following the Olympia.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....BWAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH ahahahahahaha idiot of the century award :o
The only idiot here is you. I'm OWNING you and making you look like a fool and you can't even counter my arguments and now i'm the idiot??
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The only idiot here is you. I'm OWNING you and making you look like a fool and you can't even counter my arguments and now i'm the idiot??
because everything you are saying is WRONG. The only person you are owning is yourself.
Natural testosterone production CAN NEVER support the muscle mass these pros such as Ronnie and Jay carry around. End of story, end of argument.
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All the info you require is in Rick Collins book Legal Muscle.
He cites all the medical info. This is very COMMON knowledge dude.
For the dosage info. go to www.anadrol.com
Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.
The site you posted says the recomended dose for children and adults is 1-2 mg/kg of bodyweight. For a 160lb man taking 1mg per kg of bodyweight..He would be taking about 70mg per day. For a 160lb man taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight that would be about 140mg per day. This falls right within the realm of average doses for a normal bodybuilder.
Average Dose: Men 50-150 mg/day
http://www.steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/9/Anadrol_50_®_(oxymetholome).html
You didn't even read your own source did you? Haha
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Johny Adonis when are you going to remove that wart off your face?
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Haidars "Monster" arms. hahahah
Dude has a great physique. He looks much better than the monsters IMO.
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because everything you are saying is WRONG. The only person you are owning is yourself.
Natural testosterone production CAN NEVER support the muscle mass these pros such as Ronnie and Jay carry around. End of story, end of argument.
You haven't proven your claims. You say i'm wrong? Prove it. Prove what you're saying and provide sources.
Otherwise shut the fuck up.
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Provide a soruce showing cancer patients use anadrol for years without ever stopping and their doses are more than what a Pro would use then.
I expect you won't...
It's fact. Read the link dav-bol gave you. I remember reading on pubmed about a girl who developed peliosis hepatitis and she had been on anadrol for 8 years for anemia. Liver damage from orals seems to have genetic component to it, most handle orals just fine. They aren't as dangerous as most seem to think.
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The site you posted says the recomended dose for children and adults is 1-2 mg/kg of bodyweight. For a 160lb man taking 1mg per kg of bodyweight..He would be taking about 70mg per day. For a 160lb man taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight that would be about 140mg per day. This falls right within the realm of average doses for a normal bodybuilder.
http://www.steroidology.com/steroid-articles/steroid.info/9/Anadrol_50_®_(oxymetholome).html
You didn't even read your own source did you? Haha
LOL... BODYBUILDERS don't weigh 160..LOL maybe you do?
They weigh 250-300 at least real ones do.
At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....
I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.
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Johny Adonis when are you going to remove that wart off your face?
It's not a wart it's his brain maybe?
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At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....
I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.
Yup. And actually the anadrol.com site says up to 5mg/kg for 3-6 months and then a continual lower maintenance dose if needed.
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LOL... BODYBUILDERS don't weigh 160..LOL maybe you do?
They weigh 250-300 at least real ones do.
Showing your ignorance again.... Weight depends on a number of things. Saying "Real Bodybuilders" weigh 250lbs + is simply ignorant. Lee Priest has never weighed 250lbs and you're saying he's not a real bodybuilder? How about Arnold..When did he ever weigh over 250lbs?
"Bodybuilder" is defined as one who builds their Body by weight lifting. A person can be a bodybuilder at 130lbs or 330lbs.
Secondly...You're proving my point even more. Bodybuilders DO weigh more than normal people,Espically sick people. You made the claim that Recommended doses are unbelieveable and these are for already sick patients.
This is as i've shown..False. THe recommended dose for those sick patients is at most 2mg per kg of bodyweight. Most of them not weighing much for a 160lb man that's just 140mg per day.
At 2 mg. per kg. that is roughly 250 mg. or 5 tablets.
That is a very high dose of drug recommended by the manufacturer.....that is equivalent to a physician prescribing
you FIFTY tablets of D-bol PER DAY.
This is what the medical community is recommending....
I knew a guy taking 500 mg PER DAY of anadrol with no increase in liver enzymes.
2mg per kg is NOT 250mg. "per kg" means per kilogram of bodyweight. A 160lb sick person taking 2mg per kg of bodyweight would equate to about 140mg not 250mg.
I see you can't do math either...
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meltdown.
Lot of gurus /doctor science wanabees on the internet.
Exactly.. they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day. You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT? That's just guru talk.
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Exactly.. they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day. You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT? That's just guru talk.
That can't be, according to Johnny Apollo, pros go on PCT and maintain everything by upping the calories.
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Apollo, check this post from another forum (I know guys who have used orals in very similar fashion):
I stayed on Anadrol @ 50mg/day, 5 days on 2 days off, for almost 3 years. This was not all I used during that time either of course. This was prescribed, and blood tests were done at regular intervals by the prescribing physician. I was 18-21 @ the time. It was the original Syntex Anadrol. Sometime around the end of that period AAS were federally scheduled under the controlled substances act and scripts were hard to come by for a bit. I can remember only taking breaks from Anadrol 4-6 wks pre-contest, during which I would use Halotestin and Cheque Drops instead. I would break maybe for 4 wks after the show. During that period my liver enzymes were never elevated above high normal, SGPT/SGOT in the low to high 50s. As has happened to many of my fellow competitors, I later developed an addiction to various opiates. It started w/ Nubain as this was very popular in the early 90s. In any event, at one point I was using quite a bit of Lorcet/Lortab (acetaminophen & hydrocodone). These very same values were elevated to the high 300s, low 400s from the acetaminophen. I have been saying for years that the hepataoxicity from 17AA does not even compare to the hepatatoxicity of common everyday substances such as acetaminophen and alcohol. There are probably 100 commonly prescribed meds now that easily eclipse the hepatatoxicity of 17AA. I have known of maybe two or three guys over the years who were hypersensitive to 17AA. This is very rare though, and can be easily found out by a simple blood test. Now at 35 I am somewhat more cautious. I no longer use "rec" drugs of any sort, I don't drink at all, take OTC pain meds, etc. I still use 17AA about 30 weeks out of the year though. From all currently available medical indicators, my liver is "healthy."
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Thanks to their genetics, the best pros don't need tonnes of juice to pile on tonnes of muscle. They just happen to have a greater genetic propensity towards gaining muscle mass. Like Dave Polumbo said, once you take more than a certain amount of juice a week, the only thing that increases are the side effects.
In Dillett's final article for MD, he talked about how he and his former room-mate Lee Priest McCutcheon both took surprisingly low doses. Furthermore, Lee said in MD that people who do use gear year round are total nads who are going to kill themselves. These two are among the most genetically blessed athletes ever to compete on the IFBB stage.
It's tremendously important to "clean up" after the contest season to detoxify the system. no gear and plenty of cranberry juice are important.
Just because the Pros are blessed is no reason to hate on them - proffesional bodybuilders are icons and glowing examples of what is possible through hard work
Up to a point you are correct. But the main genetic component is to be a midget. 5'3" to 5'5" ideally, about Lee Priest size. They won't need as much juice. But look at Barry Bonds. Takes a bunch of shit, but hasn't gotten that big. Works out like a fanatic. But he is 6'2". The taller you are, particularly the longer your leg/arm limbs are the more gear you'll have to run.
Palumbo is full of shit - it is with the most sides come the greatest gains.
I fully believe Preist doesn't use as much as most of the guys out there, but he is a midget.
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Exactly.. they may say they are OFF, but that may mean only 300 mg Test a week, and 3-4 dbols a day. You think the big boys are pumping SERMS and running PCT? That's just guru talk.
Again..Do research before spouting your bullshit.
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Showing your ignorance again.... Weight depends on a number of things. Saying "Real Bodybuilders" weigh 250lbs + is simply ignorant. Lee Priest has never weighed 250lbs and you're saying he's not a real bodybuilder? How about Arnold..When did he ever weigh over 250lbs?
Have you been around bodybuilding for more than 3 minutes?
I know the answer,......LOL
Priest used to bulk up to 270 in the offseason and Arnold was 260 when he first came to America.
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Yes, my math is terrible, so terrible that I majored in Engineering in college. ::)
This can't be Adonis, even Adonis isn't this much of a simpering git.
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they say arnold was 235 onstage... that's total BU CHE. 6'2" 22 inch arms and 57 inch chest and he weight 235? come on b.
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He's not a midget. People need something to feel better about themselves though so height will do. I have a friend who is around 5"2 - 5"4 and he cops it all the time.. Comes with the territory.
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Have you been around bodybuilding for more than 3 minutes?
I know the answer,......LOL
Priest used to bulk up to 270 in the offseason and Arnold was 260 when he first came to America.
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Yes, my math is terrible, so terrible that I majored in Engineering in college. ::)
This can't be Adonis, even Adonis isn't this much of a simpering git.
Arnold was never that heavy onstage. 220 TOPS. He never weighed over 250lbs in his life. I doubt lee ever has either at 5'4".
More ignorant comments...
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Up to a point you are correct. But the main genetic component is to be a midget. 5'3" to 5'5" ideally, about Lee Priest size. They won't need as much juice. But look at Barry Bonds. Takes a bunch of shit, but hasn't gotten that big. Works out like a fanatic. But he is 6'2". The taller you are, particularly the longer your leg/arm limbs are the more gear you'll have to run.
Palumbo is full of shit - it is with the most sides come the greatest gains.
I fully believe Preist doesn't use as much as most of the guys out there, but he is a midget.
Height doesn't have anything to do with steroid receptors. Also 5'4" is not a midget it's just short.
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Arnold was never that heavy onstage. 220 TOPS. He never weighed over 250lbs in his life. I doubt lee ever has either at 5'4".
More ignorant comments...
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/schwarzenegger.html
260 offseason you dolt.
http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=177&site=1
Priest at 250....but on THIS FORUM priest said he was 270 in that pic.
Who's ignorant now ?
LOL LOL
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C'mon guys, anyone that's juiced knows you can easily gain 30 pounds of shredded mass in 10 weeks and keep it with proper PCT..
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Johnny Apollo said so ! It must be true!
;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/schwarzenegger.html
260 offseason you dolt.
http://www.gmv.com.au/default.asp?pageid=products&template=PRODUCTCAT&catid=8&prodid=177&site=1
Priest at 250....but on THIS FORUM priest said he was 270 in that pic.
Who's ignorant now ?
LOL LOL
That Italian site is far from reliable considering Arnold rarely officially did a weigh in. It's an estimate from someone who's not even famiar with what "pounds" are.
Lee Priest likely fabricates his weight alot along with his height. If he is 5'4"..and i'm being generous to him...He might be 250 in that picture.."MIGHT".
The fact is..It's irrelevant. You claimed that "Real bodybuilders" are 250-300lbs..This is absurd as I can list DOZENS of Pro's who aren't even 250 in the offseason...Not even mentioning NON PRO bodybuilders who usually weigh less than 200lbs.
Pro's make up less than 1% of Bodybuilders. And not even most male Pro bodybuilders are over 250lbs.
The fact is...250-300lbs is the UPPER LIMITS of what pro bodybuilders usually weigh even in the offseason. A VERY SMALL FRACTION of Pro's weigh 300lbs in the offseason.
Pro's under 250 in the offseason...Or under 200 during competion time.
Dexter Jackson --Off Season Weight: 230-235 pounds
Shawn Ray --Off Season Weight: 230 lbs.
Ken 'Flex' Wheeler Off Season Weight: Around 247lbs.
Frank Zane --Competition Weight: 180 lbs.
Bill Davey --Off Season Weight: 225 to 230 lbs
Porter Cottrell -- Weight: 194
http://www.bodybuilders.com/pros.htm
I guess Frank Zane isn't a "Real Bodybuilder" ::)
This is just naming a few...And these are PRO'S meaning the top 1% of all Bodybuilders.
The claim that "Real bodybuilders weigh 250-300" is Absurd and Refuted.
Who's Ignorant now? YOU! And you've just been refuted AGAIN.
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Wow and I weighted in at 240!! I must be bigger than all of them..
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Wow and I weighted in at 240!! I must be bigger than all of them..
240lbs....Riiiight!
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There I am probably around 200pds. ;)
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That Italian site is far from reliable considering Arnold rarely officially did a weigh in. It's an estimate from someone who's not even famiar with what "pounds" are.
Lee Priest likely fabricates his weight alot along with his height. If he is 5'4"..and i'm being generous to him...He might be 250 in that picture.."MIGHT".
The fact is..It's irrelevant. You claimed that "Real bodybuilders" are 250-300lbs..This is absurd as I can list DOZENS of Pro's who aren't even 250 in the offseason...Not even mentioning NON PRO bodybuilders who usually weigh less than 200lbs.
Pro's make up less than 1% of Bodybuilders. And not even most male Pro bodybuilders are over 250lbs.
The fact is...250-300lbs is the UPPER LIMITS of what pro bodybuilders usually weigh even in the offseason. A VERY SMALL FRACTION of Pro's weigh 300lbs in the offseason.
Pro's under 250 in the offseason...Or under 200 during competion time.
Dexter Jackson --Off Season Weight: 230-235 pounds
Shawn Ray --Off Season Weight: 230 lbs.
Ken 'Flex' Wheeler Off Season Weight: Around 247lbs.
Frank Zane --Competition Weight: 180 lbs.
Bill Davey --Off Season Weight: 225 to 230 lbs
Porter Cottrell -- Weight: 194
http://www.bodybuilders.com/pros.htm
I guess Frank Zane isn't a "Real Bodybuilder" ::)
This is just naming a few...And these are PRO'S meaning the top 1% of all Bodybuilders.
The claim that "Real bodybuilders weigh 250-300" is Absurd and Refuted.
Who's Ignorant now? YOU! And you've just been refuted AGAIN.
Boy you must really be hard up for evidence if you can only come up with one current bodybuilder. Than you have to go into the 90's and even the 70's. Saying that most current pros don't hover around the 250 mark (with exeption to smaller bodybuilders such as Dex, Dave Henry, Lee, etc.) isn't ignorant, it's just simply naive. You ask for proof. Where is your proof? So far it's all been a matter of opinion. At least other people have been quoting resources.
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I have read all of the post on the past 8 pages. Apollo makes some good points and provides facts/links. As do the other posters.
Maybe Shawn, Lee or Chick can provide some insight?
After reading everthing my only comment is: Mary Lado is hot
http://www.marylado.com/free5.html
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Boy you must really be hard up for evidence if you can only come up with one current bodybuilder. Than you have to go into the 90's and even the 70's. Saying that most current pros don't hover around the 250 mark (with exeption to smaller bodybuilders such as Dex, Dave Henry, Lee, etc.) isn't ignorant, it's just simply naive. You ask for proof. Where is your proof? So far it's all been a matter of opinion. At least other people have been quoting resources.
Alot of Pro's do hover around the 250 mark. So what? His claim wasn't "Most pro bodybuilders are above 250lbs" his claim was "Most Bodybuilders are above 250lbs" which I have refuted. I can go back into the 40's if I want to point out he's full of shit since he didn't say "Most modern pro's are above 250lbs" He said "MOST BODYBUILDERS ARE ABOVE 250LBS" As in Past Pro's,Modern Pro's,Past non Pro's,Modern non Pro's.
No one else has posted a single source supporting their facts. They have posted "resources" but i've explained how none of them support what they are even claiming but actually agree with me.
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I have read all of the post on the past 8 pages. Apollo makes some good points and provides facts/links. As do the other posters.
Maybe Shawn, Lee or Chick can provide some insight?
After reading everthing my only comment is: Mary Lado is hot
http://www.marylado.com/free5.html
You just aren't intelligent enough to realize i'm right.
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Posting of those corny captioned images went out of style years ago...And even then it was reserved for 13 year olds.
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Posting of those corny captioned images went out of style years ago...And even then it was reserved for 13 year olds.
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You just aren't intelligent enough to realize i'm right.
I paid you a compliment and you question my intelligence. My point was is both sides have valid point and can/have provided data to back it up. With that said an outsider looking it would find the wealth of information ambiguous.
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Arnold's self reported stats at his heaviest competition weight were:
http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/arnoldschwarzenegger.html
Height: 6'2
Off Season Weight: 250 lbs.
Competition Weight: 235 lbs.
Chest: 57"
Arms: 21"
Thighs: 27"
Calves: 20"
Waist: 34"
I even saw the arms go up to 22 inches and the waist go down to 33 inches! Kind of like how Leroy Colbert's arms kept getting bigger in the ads lol!
I would say you can take a few inches and a few pounds off anything Arnold claimed.
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I still think 235 is low.
The arms are not 22? come on they're insanely big.
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Monster Beasts and Treceps
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This thread.... ::)
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