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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Method101 on October 08, 2015, 07:53:29 AM
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Winter is almost here so of course every sensible getbigger is bulking right now, what bodyparts are you trying to bring up and when are you gonna start your cut for summer 16?
I'm going to start cutting on April 1st, so by the time we get to June-July the abs are gonna be out strong. My main focus over this winter bulk is going to be adding mass to my chest and abs, going to try and work my way to flat benching 315 for a good number of reps, I'm currently using 275x8. Doing shit loads of weighted ab work now as I mentioned in the other topic to add thickness there. I think I will finally have attained a full blown Sandow physique or better come July 2016 at 25 years old after being on getbig for nearly a decade lol epic slow progress.
Eating 3200 calories a day, around 300g carbs, 200g protein and 100g fat
when my cut starts it's gonna be down to 2200 net calories and I will push further down as low as 1800 net calories in the final month of the cut which will be 3-4 months long in total.
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is this something you do every winter?has the summer cut yielded any size gains from bulking.how do you measure this by tape measure or visual that the gains are real.
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The bulking/cutting thing is nonsense.
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I started too late last year and didn't get into the shape I needed by July. Going to start on Nov 1. Giving myself a 2 month headstart. The older you get the harder it gets.
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I'm trying to get down down from 195 to 165 by April. I wanna get shredded like Vegan Gains.
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Stopped cut and bulk shit years ago. Leaner and bigger all the time now and dont need the stupid "i will look better in june" shit all permabulkers spew out.
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Wow high cals
I'm eating between 1300 and 1500 right nowWinter is almost here so of course every sensible getbigger is bulking right now, what bodyparts are you trying to bring up and when are you gonna start your cut for summer 16?
I'm going to start cutting on April 1st, so by the time we get to June-July the abs are gonna be out strong. My main focus over this winter bulk is going to be adding mass to my chest and abs, going to try and work my way to flat benching 315 for a good number of reps, I'm currently using 275x8. Doing shit loads of weighted ab work now as I mentioned in the other topic to add thickness there. I think I will finally have attained a full blown Sandow physique or better come July 2016 at 25 years old after being on getbig for nearly a decade lol epic slow progress.
Eating 3200 calories a day, around 300g carbs, 200g protein and 100g fat
when my cut starts it's gonna be down to 2200 net calories and I will push further down as low as 1800 net calories in the final month of the cut which will be 3-4 months long in total.
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You should NEVER be so fat that you cannot see clear abdominals. Unless you are strctly a power lifter.
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Man I just keep eating as much food as I can lifting with a little anabolic help on top. I increae cardio around summer time and cut out some sweets. I look great every summer lol.
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OP needs to post a recent pic to erase the memory of the green shirt/arm shot.
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The bulking/cutting thing is nonsense.
I agree with this. Most people I see bulking are bulking with fat.
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I'm doing much more cardio, eating far less carbs, eating more lean protein, drinking a lot more water, a bit more supplementation, moderate to heavy weights, 5-6 days a week training, baggy clothes at gym, trying to lose fat and keep it off. Going pretty good so far.....long way to go.
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I agree with this. Most people I see bulking are bulking with fat.
The problem with me is that when I'm not in cutting mode I just eat like a motherfker. When I'm cutting you can put Pizza, Ice Cream, Chocolate or anything in my face and I will push it away, but when I'm not cutting I just fucking eat. So I have to go through the bulking and cutting yearly cycle. As a natural it's almost impossible to put on muscle without fat as well.
Doing steady body re-composition naturally is depressing and requires a rigidly controlled diet year around which is beyond me mentally. If I know that I will be able to eat well 8 months of the year and Cut 4 months of the year I can get into the zone and the epic transformation that occurs is cool too. Then you look good for 3-5 months during/after the cut during summer and go into bulk mode again lol.
By the way, who the fuck can have year around ripped abs and still make good gains as a natural? I'm yet to see someone do this.
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OP needs to post a recent pic to erase the memory of the green shirt/arm shot.
2016After my next cut I will most likely don the green shirt again.
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Wow high cals
I'm eating between 1300 and 1500 right now
That's way to low....what's your weight and height? and are you on a keto diet?
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315 x 8 on the bench is pretty damn strong.
I don't really have any major goals. I've maxed out naturally and have become content with my swimmer's physique but there are small improvements I can make on my condition and strength between now and next summer.
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Last summer I started my cut early May for vacation in late August. I got in really good shape about 6 weeks into my cut and maintained until vacation. I'm thinking of doing something similar next summer, except maybe diet down slower instead of crash dieting like I did.
The plan is to end my bulk in March, maintain weight for a month, then start a slow cut early April.
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Dead set on "cutting" early spring to then fill out closer to summer. The filling out period always looks better for me.
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i stopped that myslef years back, the only extra cutting i do in the summer is less food and more swet simply because its hot as hell out and my craving for food just is not there as much, not by choice,
stay on the diet year round for the most part but december and part of january i do tend to binge a bit on holiday foods
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That's way to low....what's your weight and height? and are you on a keto diet?
hmmm is it?? I got down to 173 with low body fat I'm happy with
I'm not on keto
What calorie level would u advise? I've been experimenting with refeed high cal days
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I'm doing much more cardio, eating far less carbs, eating more lean protein, drinking a lot more water, a bit more supplementation, moderate to heavy weights, 5-6 days a week training, baggy clothes at gym, trying to lose fat and keep it off. Going pretty good so far.....long way to go.
Forget cardio..Cardio makes me hungry as shit. Would rather just diet hard and do regular workouts.
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i stopped that myslef years back, the only extra cutting i do in the summer is less food and more swet simply because its hot as hell out and my craving for food just is not there as much, not by choice,
stay on the diet year round for the most part but december and part of january i do tend to binge a bit on holiday foods
It's depressing as fuck that as naturals if we want really defined abs year around we have to stay around 2500-2750 net calories only lol! I just can't do it.
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The problem with me is that when I'm not in cutting mode I just eat like a motherfker. When I'm cutting you can put Pizza, Ice Cream, Chocolate or anything in my face and I will push it away, but when I'm not cutting I just fucking eat. So I have to go through the bulking and cutting yearly cycle. As a natural it's almost impossible to put on muscle without fat as well.
Doing steady body re-composition naturally is depressing and requires a rigidly controlled diet year around which is beyond me mentally. If I know that I will be able to eat well 8 months of the year and Cut 4 months of the year I can get into the zone and the epic transformation that occurs is cool too. Then you look good for 3-5 months during/after the cut during summer and go into bulk mode again lol.
By the way, who the fuck can have year around ripped abs and still make good gains as a natural? I'm yet to see someone do this.
What I have found is that the reason people binge and can't stop eating is because they go on too low calorie diets during their cuts. Then when they come off they "bulk" and eat everything in sight because their bodies are starving for nutrients and during your cut you're going to be burning less calories anyway because you're smaller and because your body has adapted to lower calories. I think it's counterproductive for real gains and getting lean.
I tend to work in 12 week cycles. I guess you could call it a 12 week "bulk" but it's not really. All it is is adding more red meat, changing my workouts to more of a split routine, and cutting the cardio to about 3x per week for 30 minutes. Then I switch it back to dropping red meat and doing more full body workouts, HIIT, and all. If I have something to be ready for, then I do less carbs, and I'm a little more careful of carbs around workout time but never for an extended period of time.
I don't believe in bulking on pizza and ice cream. To me that's just an excuse to eat junk and get fat. I worked with a guy once who would eat 3 double doubles and fries from In N Out and say he was bulking.
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What I have found is that the reason people binge and can't stop eating is because they go on too low calorie diets during their cuts. Then when they come off they "bulk" and eat everything in sight because their bodies are starving for nutrients and during your cut you're going to be burning less calories anyway because you're smaller and because your body has adapted to lower calories. I think it's counterproductive for real gains and getting lean.
I tend to work in 12 week cycles. I guess you could call it a 12 week "bulk" but it's not really. All it is is adding more red meat, changing my workouts to more of a split routine, and cutting the cardio to about 3x per week for 30 minutes. Then I switch it back to dropping red meat and doing more full body workouts, HIIT, and all. If I have something to be ready for, then I do less carbs, and I'm a little more careful of carbs around workout time but never for an extended period of time.
I don't believe in bulking on pizza and ice cream. To me that's just an excuse to eat junk and get fat. I worked with a guy once who would eat 3 double doubles and fries from In N Out and say he was bulking.
Seems like you follow a body-recomposition style diet rather than a true bulk/cut cycle.
when bulking I follow the IFYM principles so I just fit ice cream and pizza into my daily macros if I'm going to eat them at all, maybe 2-3 days a week I eat some junk too, maybe sometimes I stray a few hundred calories over 3200 but not too much because I tell myself that I'm gonna have to pay those calories back one day lol.
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Forget cardio..Cardio makes me hungry as shit. Would rather just diet hard and do regular workouts.
I don't have the luxury of avoiding cardio anymore. I have to eat clean, limit carbs, limit calories, lift heavy and cardio regularly.....and I hate cardio.
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hmmm is it?? I got down to 173 with low body fat I'm happy with
I'm not on keto
What calorie level would u advise? I've been experimenting with refeed high cal days
If it's working for you than I guess stick with it but those calories seem very low. How are your energy levels during the day at work?
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I don't have the luxury of avoiding cardio anymore. I have to eat clean, limit carbs, limit calories, lift heavy and cardio regularly.....and I hate cardio.
I watched a Lee Priest clip once where he said he would rather do cardio and get to eat an extra meal and I feel the same way. There is a lot of bro science relating to cardio raising the metabolism for a while after it's completed as well.
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I don't have the luxury of avoiding cardio anymore. I have to eat clean, limit carbs, limit calories, lift heavy and cardio regularly.....and I hate cardio.
Can't you just pray for epic leans? Just kidding :)
When I do Cardio I want to eat everything around the house but I just do weight lifting my appetite sucks so it helps when I diet.
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I watched a Lee Priest clip once where he said he would rather do cardio and get to eat an extra meal and I feel the same way. There is a lot of bro science relating to cardio raising the metabolism for a while after it's completed as well.
I've just accepted that I'm a "taste addict". I love the tasty-taste of good food and drink in my piehole LOL!! I know sodas are the devil, but when I have an ice cold Cherry Coke in my mouth I'm happy, warm and fuzzy.
Still, I gotta push through and do the stupid cardio and not indulge the taste buds as much.....sucks.
According to GB I'm "deathbed, seconds from heart attack, morbidly obese, dumpster fire, waste of oxygen" status.......I'd rather just be "GB fat" (aka dang good shape for the real world).
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I watched a Lee Priest clip once where he said he would rather do cardio and get to eat an extra meal and I feel the same way. There is a lot of bro science relating to cardio raising the metabolism for a while after it's completed as well.
Unless getting ready to compete - cardio is not needed to get ripped. I do it because of the health benefits but I have friends that are in their 40's and stay lean year round with little to no cardio at all.
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I've just accepted that I'm a "taste addict". I love the tasty-taste of good food and drink in my piehole LOL!! I know sodas are the devil, but when I have an ice cold Cherry Coke in my mouth I'm happy, warm and fuzzy.
Still, I gotta push through and do the stupid cardio and not indulge the taste buds as much.....sucks.
Soda is about the worst thing you can do to yourself ???
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Soda is about the worst thing you can do to yourself ???
Yep, why I'm not drinking them.
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Unless getting ready to compete - cardio is not needed to get ripped. I do it because of the health benefits but I have friends that are in their 40's and stay lean year round with little to no cardio at all.
I'M IN MY 40'S ..STAY LEAN ALL YEAR ,,ZERO CARDIO...
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I'M IN MY 40'S ..STAY LEAN ALL YEAR ,,ZERO CARDIO...
Yeah, my body ain't like yours. I can add muscle and bodyfat at about the same rate.....the "endomorph". My state of "lean" would be your state of "fully depressed, please kill me now, deathbed obesity".....guaranteed.
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If it's working for you than I guess stick with it but those calories seem very low. How are your energy levels during the day at work?
energy is good
I notice I am hungry at meals more and I need to do a refeed every few days or so
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Seems like you follow a body-recomposition style diet rather than a true bulk/cut cycle.
when bulking I follow the IFYM principles so I just fit ice cream and pizza into my daily macros if I'm going to eat them at all, maybe 2-3 days a week I eat some junk too, maybe sometimes I stray a few hundred calories over 3200 but not too much because I tell myself that I'm gonna have to pay those calories back one day lol.
Yep.
Honestly I hear a lot of these new school coaches who have all this scientific evidence for what they do and act like they have some super secrets when everyone is so different that you can't generalize from some studies done on a small segment of the population that they tout as evidence. I tell people not to waste money on most of these coaches.
I had a new school coach tell me not to do fasted cardio when trying to lean out because the scientific evidence went against it. I told her that my body evidence showed that it works for me. I follow a lot of the old school principles that I learned years ago and it's kept me going more than these new school gurus who will diet people to death for a few months and then their clients end up looking skinny and getting fat later on or plateauing.
Like I tell people don't waste your money on most of these people. Learn your own body and what works.
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Yeah, my body ain't like yours. I can add muscle and bodyfat at about the same rate.....the "endomorph". My state of "lean" would be your state of "fully depressed, please kill me now, deathbed obesity".....guaranteed.
NAHHH,,,YOUR A TANK IN CLOTHES AND WIIIDEEEEE,,,YOUR THE BIG GUY IN THE ROOM...
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energy is good
I notice I am hungry at meals more and I need to do a refeed every few days or so
I could never go that low with my calories. I feel my energy ZAPPED if I was to even do 1800 calories a day. Working out in the morning is probably what allows you do to this because my workouts would suffer if I was eating that little and hitting the gym after work
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Can't you just pray for epic leans? Just kidding :)
When I do Cardio I want to eat everything around the house but I just do weight lifting my appetite sucks so it helps when I diet.
You gotta pray!!! :D
I take in much more water, snack on small portions of nuts and beef jerky between meals, take in my carbs at midday meals, limit carbs to almost nothing at night, do the stupid cardio and lift weights hard and heavy as usual. Extra water and clean higher protein snacks helps with appetite.
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You gotta pray!!! :D
I take in much more water, snack on small portions of nuts and beef jerky between meals, take in my carbs at midday meals, limit carbs to almost nothing at night, do the stupid cardio and lift weights hard and heavy as usual. Extra water and clean higher protein snacks helps with appetite.
What do you weigh?
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NAHHH,,,YOUR A TANK IN CLOTHES AND WIIIDEEEEE,,,YOUR THE BIG GUY IN THE ROOM...
This is a true story, but on the beach you're flat out prettier than me LOL!! All good.....I like the tank look. I'm just a nice tank. ;)
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What do you weigh?
Honestly, don't even know.....I'd guess about 320 right now. Working on gettin the ole fat suit off....it's coming slowly. I have the O-line, powerlifter look.....I get that all the time.
I just hate that stupid cardio stuff, but I get my butt on the tread or the stairs and get sweaty.
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Honestly, don't even know.....I'd guess about 320 right now. Working on gettin the ole fat suit off....it's coming slowly. I have the O-line, powerlifter look.....I get that all the time.
Ouch! how tall?
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Ouch! how tall?
5'11"......people I know are LARGE so those numbers don't shock me.
Heart health, blood pressure, cholesterol....all that stuff is tip top right now.
Just fat LOL. There's a bunch of muscle as well, but too much fat.....working on it.
I admire Josh for his honesty on these boards.....I try to be honest like that too with who I am and not.
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I could never go that low with my calories. I feel my energy ZAPPED if I was to even do 1800 calories a day. Working out in the morning is probably what allows you do to this because my workouts would suffer if I was eating that little and hitting the gym after work
yeah I agree
Im gonna raise my cals a bit I think
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5'11"......people I know are LARGE so those numbers don't shock me.
Heart health, blood pressure, cholesterol....all that stuff is tip top right now.
Just fat LOL. There's a bunch of muscle as well, but too much fat.....working on it.
I admire Josh for his honesty on these boards.....I try to be honest like that too with who I am and not.
If you recently axed the soda that should help a lot. Hfcs is worthless in your life and a large reason you are 320 lbs.
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If you recently axed the soda that should help a lot. Hfcs is worthless in your life and a large reason you are 320 lbs.
Oh no doubt it has! I've just been lazy and unmotivated for too long LOL. Today, I'm feeling mucyh more like my old self in the gym again.
Just gonna take time because I don't use chemicals. I have my personal Everest to climb and I'm 100 ft up right now.
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I am curently 70 kgs at 1,80m and I have already started the passage to my bulking season, trying with a serius way, avoiding cheat meals, to add some quality size.
Moderate use of supplements, a little bit cardio 4 times a week and a lot of quility food.
My goal is to ritch 80 kgs at lower of 14% bodyfat, to start cutting at the first Monday of May 2016.
I wish the very best to everyone!!!
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If you recently axed the soda that should help a lot. Hfcs is worthless in your life and a large reason you are 320 lbs.
Sodas and alcohol are the enemies if you're trying to lose fat. That should be the first thing to go if you're getting your health back. All of that sugar just sets you up for failure
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I am curently 70 kgs at 1,80m and I have already started the passage to my bulking season, trying with a serius way, avoiding cheat meals, to add some quality size.
Moderate use of supplements, a little bit cardio 4 times a week and a lot of quility food.
My goal is to ritch 80 kgs at lower of 14% bodyfat, to start cutting at the first Monday of May 2016.
I wish the very best to everyone!!!
Likin that beard there stud!
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Sodas and alcohol are the enemies if you're trying to lose fat. That should be the first thing to go if you're getting your health back. All of that sugar just sets you up for failure
Amen to that!!!
Me, I have my spiritual life on a good track. I have my family life on a good track. I have my professional life on a good track. I have my social life on a good track. Now I'm getting my physical life on a good track also.
Still, I could be improved in all different tracks of life if my physical base is much stronger again everything will improve that much more.....gettin there again. I already feel much better and my wife told me this week, "I can already tell you're blowin up and shrinkin down in the the right spots!"
I thank God I'm able to! ;)
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It's depressing as fuck that as naturals if we want really defined abs year around we have to stay around 2500-2750 net calories only lol! I just can't do it.
I eat 5-6000 kcals per day ☺☺☺
I don't do any cardio except fucking and work around house/garden.
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I eat 5-6000 kcals per day ☺☺☺
I don't do any cardio except fucking and work around house/garden.
I'm a big boy and I don't eat but half those calories (and I'm talkin about when I'm not dieting).
Where do you put it?
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I eat 5-6000 kcals per day ☺☺☺
I don't do any cardio except fucking and work around house/garden.
Actual fucking hardly ever last longer than 20 minutes for me unless I deliberately slowed down to extend it and I hardly ever fucked more than twice a day, so at maximum I only burnt 200-300 calories from that, I'm single now so I'm burning fuck all, brutal honesty...
:D
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I'm a big boy and I don't eat but half those calories (and I'm talkin about when I'm not dieting).
Where do you put it?
I stay lean on it- posted pics a day or so ago if want to see. Juice helps obviously, train high volume and id say 1500 cals are from wine. I just eat the same meals everyday year round and if ever notice fat gain i will make a minor change (remove one egg yolk at breakfast, leaner cheese on sandwiches etc).
Split it across 4 meals and have added a lot more calories to breakfast in the past 6 months and grown lean from it.
If anything im convinced i ate too much protein, too little carbs and needlessly cut fats before and i was softer for it.
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I stay lean on it- posted pics a day or so ago if want to see. Juice helps obviously, train high volume and id say 1500 cals are from wine. I just eat the same meals everyday year round and if ever notice fat gain i will make a minor change (remove one egg yolk at breakfast, leaner cheese on sandwiches etc).
Split it across 4 meals and have added a lot more calories to breakfast in the past 6 months and grown lean from it.
If anything im convinced i ate too much protein, too little carbs and needlessly cut fats before and i was softer for it.
lay out a typical day by meal
are you drinking a bottle of wine very day then?
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I stay lean on it- posted pics a day or so ago if want to see. Juice helps obviously, train high volume and id say 1500 cals are from wine. I just eat the same meals everyday year round and if ever notice fat gain i will make a minor change (remove one egg yolk at breakfast, leaner cheese on sandwiches etc).
Split it across 4 meals and have added a lot more calories to breakfast in the past 6 months and grown lean from it.
If anything im convinced i ate too much protein, too little carbs and needlessly cut fats before and i was softer for it.
Do you taper you're calories down as the day goes on?
I've finally come to learn the value of fats in a diet, but the carbs kill me. I become a bloated mess.
How much of a difference does the juice make for you?
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Do you taper you're calories down as the day goes on?
I've finally come to learn the value of fats in a diet, but the carbs kill me. I become a bloated mess.
How much of a difference does the juice make for you?
For me if I decrease carbs, I increase fat. Avocados, some nuts (that's the only thing I have to measure bc I get carried away), fatty fish like sardines or salmon. I will also eat chicken thighs as well. I don't get cravings for sugar either.
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lay out a typical day by meal
are you drinking a bottle of wine very day then?
Meal 1: 5 large eggs scrambled with whole milk in pan with butter/olive oil, 4 slices toasted brown/wholemeal bread with butter
Meals 2/3 either
a) Just under half cup (uncooked measurement) basmati rice, 250g diced beef (cooked weight), 1 whole egg, chillies (shit load of bird eye chillies), soya sauce, 1 or 2 wholemeal crackers. [I fry the beef in rapeseed oil, add in chillies and soy sauce then pour this onto pasta bowl full of rice with boiled egg chopped in and garlic seasoning]
b) Half cup rice fried with olive oil, spring onions, chilli, garlic and 250g (cooked weight) lean pork steak (pork steaks prepared ahead of time by marinating in soy sauce, garlic, salt, mixed herbs sealed in foil and baked for about 1 3/4 hours)
Meal 4: 3 or 4 ciabattas with chicken, serrano ham, german peppered salami and edam or feta cheese (toasted - hard to say exact weights - probably 100g chicken, 25g ham, 2 slices salami and 1 slice edam/ciabatta - I scrape out the excess doughy bread in ciabattas)
Wine... not 1 bottle... (think higher and you're probably below the right number)
Edit: I don't snack too much, I always bring simple sugars like marshmallows to gym in case my blood sugar drops (randomly happens me sometimes, unrelated to any substances/health issues) or homemade granola if hungry. One cheat meal per week.
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Do you taper you're calories down as the day goes on?
I've finally come to learn the value of fats in a diet, but the carbs kill me. I become a bloated mess.
How much of a difference does the juice make for you?
I posted diet there; calories fairly even throughout day but peak after workout with sandwiches (I train at night). I know the wine ain't great but if it has calories I'd be lying if I omitted it.
No idea what difference juice makes but it makes a difference. I am one of those people who is always warm to the touch so I've had a decent metablism whole life, any fat I do store is around belly button and lower back at sides.
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I posted diet there; calories fairly even throughout day but peak after workout with sandwiches (I train at night). I know the wine ain't great but if it has calories I'd be lying if I omitted it.
No idea what difference juice makes but it makes a difference. I am one of those people who is always warm to the touch so I've had a decent metablism whole life, any fat I do store is around belly button and lower back at sides.
doesn't the wine make you sluggish
you sound like you like your food and put some effort in to it
if it works for you then great
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doesn't the wine make you sluggish
you sound like you like your food and put some effort in to it
if it works for you then great
I've to phase it out but the sandwiches seem to stop me getting too bad on wine - if I've no starch I would probably vomit the wine cos of reflux.
I love the food I eat - robotic and not for everyone but it does taste great and the pork and rice dish travels well and can be eaten cold which is handy.
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doesn't the wine make you sluggish
you sound like you like your food and put some effort in to it
if it works for you then great
Oh amd your last sentence took me 25 or so years to get. It works for me. I did doggcrap diet and training before and it involved way too much protein (500g beef etc per meal 600g protein per day loads of shakes and the training had my joints a mess and i like high.volume and training 5/6 days). Not enough people figure out what does and doesnt work for them. Pasta made me bloated and i took ot for years, i avoided butter etc etc)