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http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback?ref=yfp
Hillary Clinton praised Australia's gun control measures, which seized 650,000 guns
Hillary Clinton praised the gun control measures Australia adopted in 1996-'97 at a campaign stop Friday, saying, "It would be worth considering doing it on the national level," in the US. She stopped short of outright saying the US should copy the laws, but expressed sympathy with the idea. "I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work," she told a voter who asked about Australia, per a transcript from the Washington Free Beacon, "but certainly your example is worth looking at."
Its not clear whether she is just ignorant on knowing that it was a mandatory buy back or if she knows and doesnt care either way I dont want someone like that making decisions on my right.
Look for Hillary to back track on this soon
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she is pandering to the base.
Just like we all heard the repubs fundraise + sell guns by saying "obama will take our guns!" and all he did was deliver 23 points to make background checks better against crazy people.
Hilary wants to out-left bernie on guns, since he's pretty pro gun.
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http://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback?ref=yfp
Hillary Clinton praised Australia's gun control measures, which seized 650,000 guns
Hillary Clinton praised the gun control measures Australia adopted in 1996-'97 at a campaign stop Friday, saying, "It would be worth considering doing it on the national level," in the US. She stopped short of outright saying the US should copy the laws, but expressed sympathy with the idea. "I do not know enough detail to tell you how we would do it, or how would it work," she told a voter who asked about Australia, per a transcript from the Washington Free Beacon, "but certainly your example is worth looking at."
Its not clear whether she is just ignorant on knowing that it was a mandatory buy back or if she knows and doesnt care either way I dont want someone like that making decisions on my right.
Look for Hillary to back track on this soon
Why did you return?
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she is pandering to the base.
Just like we all heard the repubs fundraise + sell guns by saying "obama will take our guns!" and all he did was deliver 23 points to make background checks better against crazy people.
Hilary wants to out-left bernie on guns, since he's pretty pro gun.
so youre saying you believe Hilary wouldnt ban any guns given the chance?
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Why did you return?
I see youre still contributing great insight and relevant info
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so youre saying you believe Hilary wouldnt ban any guns given the chance?
"given the chance"? LMAO come on, we'd all bang supermodels and rob Fort knox, "given the chance".
"Given the chance" is hypothetical and silly. What I'm saying is that (especially up against Repub house & senate) hilary won't do shit against guns. Even obama, with nothing to lose politically, didn't do anything with his 23 points.
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"given the chance"? LMAO come on, we'd all bang supermodels and rob Fort knox, "given the chance".
"Given the chance" is hypothetical and silly. What I'm saying is that (especially up against Repub house & senate) hilary won't do shit against guns. Even obama, with nothing to lose politically, didn't do anything with his 23 points.
obama has tried at every turn to impose restrictions on guns, you dont think hilary will?
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obama has tried at every turn to impose restrictions on guns, you dont think hilary will?
"has tried"?
It's been 6+ years. What gun rights has obama taken? Or how has he "tried"? Other than giving speeches to get his donors all hot and bothered.
I have heard this since Bush 1... "Dems will take our guns", and YES the AWB did JUST THAT. Bush2 wished it could stay in place, Reagan supported it.
BUT OBAMA? Americans have had assault weapons rights for 100% of his presidency.
So aside from what obama 'wants' - LMAO - what has he done which actually affect us? Cause he can "want" to be the king of the universe and drink cognac all day, but it's reality we're talking about.
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I own an assault rifle, because I can. Not sure why I felt the need, but sometimes I like to piss away money, so I bought an AR-15. I love America. I also love lamp.
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More armed government bureaucrats, less free citizens and all cop evils are ok but shoot 1 cop in self defense and wooaaa nelly.. government bureaucrats ego sky high
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"has tried"?
It's been 6+ years. What gun rights has obama taken? Or how has he "tried"? Other than giving speeches to get his donors all hot and bothered.
I have heard this since Bush 1... "Dems will take our guns", and YES the AWB did JUST THAT. Bush2 wished it could stay in place, Reagan supported it.
BUT OBAMA? Americans have had assault weapons rights for 100% of his presidency.
So aside from what obama 'wants' - LMAO - what has he done which actually affect us? Cause he can "want" to be the king of the universe and drink cognac all day, but it's reality we're talking about.
not being able to do something is very different than not wanting to do something.
I think even a short sighted flip flopper like you can understand that eventually their will be a time when a democratic president will have the ability to push their agenda through, how do you know that time wont be if hilary is put in charge?
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not being able to do something is very different than not wanting to do something.
I think most leaders, from both parties, are psychos.
They probably "want" to exploit every person/resource and get rich doing it.
I think most would sell half the population for scrap and embezzle the rest.
Who gives an F what any politician "wants"? At the end of obama's presidency, our guns will be just as safe as they were at the end of bush's presidency. In fact, we lived thru 3 years of assault weapons ban under Bush, and zero years of it under Obama.
So yeah, I don't care what any man "wants" - I only care about what happens in the real world, outside of his mind. Most people "want" to bang models and shoot annoying people and steal what they want and eat steak all day, etc. But they dont do it.
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I think most leaders, from both parties, are psychos.
They probably "want" to exploit every person/resource and get rich doing it.
I think most would sell half the population for scrap and embezzle the rest.
Who gives an F what any politician "wants"? At the end of obama's presidency, our guns will be just as safe as they were at the end of bush's presidency. In fact, we lived thru 3 years of assault weapons ban under Bush, and zero years of it under Obama.
So yeah, I don't care what any man "wants" - I only care about what happens in the real world, outside of his mind. Most people "want" to bang models and shoot annoying people and steal what they want and eat steak all day, etc. But they dont do it.
Why did you ignore the rest of my post???I think even a short sighted flip flopper like you can understand that eventually their will be a time when a democratic president will have the ability to push their agenda through, how do you know that time wont be if hilary is put in charge?
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you better like your government or ELSE!!
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/politics/justice-department-domestic-terror-council/index.html
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"I think even a short sighted flip flopper like you can understand that eventually their will be a time when a democratic president will have the ability to push their agenda through, how do you know that time wont be if hilary is put in charge?"
obama has always been way more liberal than hilary. and he didn't even go after guns. even when he owned both houses.
it'll never happen. obama did a lot of liberal shit but never went at guns, aside from better background checks. he even left gunshow loophole in place.
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The 2nd amendment is not going to get repealed.
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I love this, the leftist apologists always say 'they aren't going to take your guns'! no matter how obvious it is they are trying to incrementally get to that eventuality...now we have the leading Dem presidential candidate suggesting she would look into trying the Australian mandatory confiscation strategy and these idiots are still saying...
'they are not after your guns!!' ::)
how much more clear could it be? this is straight from hillarys own mouth...Obama has also admitted the saem...so has diane feinstein...
the Democrats and their apologists(240) are in sheer denial about this even though it is right up in their face
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The 2nd amendment is not going to get repealed.
they don't have to repeal it, they just have to chip away with ticky-tack laws and fees/penalties/licenses at the discretion of bureaucrats until gun ownership becomes so onerous and expensive that virtually everyone but the rich/elite can even do it anymore.
that is their game plan.
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can anyone tell us what gun rights were taken away during the obama admin? please?
what increments have they taken?
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they don't have to repeal it, they just have to chip away with ticky-tack laws and fees/penalties/licenses at the discretion of bureaucrats until gun ownership becomes so onerous and expensive that virtually everyone but the rich/elite can even do it anymore.
that is their game plan.
what little chips has obama given us? he had congress too - sky was the limit.
all i hear are either vague "you don't understand" or cut-pasted list of things like "better information for mentally-adjucated people with restraining orders for background checks", which I think ALL of us agree with . Obama didn't even go after the gunshow loophole.
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the fact that you are repeating 'gunshow loophole' says it all...
there is no such thing and never has been. the leftists just keep repeating it over and over. luckily, most of Obama/Feinstein's legislation was voted down nationally...but look at states like maryland, Connecticut, new York, and even Colorado where BS restrictive legislation was rammed through despite no one ever explaining what exactly it would achieve other than the twin democratic pillars of 'do something!' and 'stick it to gun owners!'
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they don't have to repeal it, they just have to chip away with ticky-tack laws and fees/penalties/licenses at the discretion of bureaucrats until gun ownership becomes so onerous and expensive that virtually everyone but the rich/elite can even do it anymore.
that is their game plan.
What exactly have they been doing?
Can you give some examples of these ticky tack laws, fees and penalties? Are any of these alleged penalties over the top or excessive? Hell, here in Northern California, by where i live a Ammo store opened in 2008 and still open. Also there was still an annual gun show this weekend. So, guns commerce must be good.
Obama from what i understand, was given an "F" from the BRady campaign to prevent gun violence where he actually expanded gun laws http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gives-obama-an-f (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gives-obama-an-f)
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What exactly have they been doing?
Can you give some examples of these ticky tack laws, fees and penalties? Are any of these alleged penalties over the top or excessive? Hell, here in Northern California, by where i live a Ammo store opened in 2008 and still open. Also there was still an annual gun show this weekend. So, guns commerce must be good.
Obama from what i understand, was given an "F" from the BRady campaign to prevent gun violence where he actually expanded gun laws http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gives-obama-an-f (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gives-obama-an-f)
look up the laws enacted by the states I mentioned in 2013. I don't have time to sit here and write out all the laws, but they basically included banning/mandatory registration of arbitrarily-designated 'scary-looking rifles', the banning of any magazine holding more than 7 rounds (effectively making 90+% of all standard-issue, standard size magazines illegal and all the regular citizens who owned them felons if they didn't get rid of them, effectively making the vast majority of modern, popular guns unusable), NY gov Cuomo publically stated there was 'no place in new York for those who own semi-auto rifles' ,Colorado enacted similar magazine limits and gun-registrations which led the the recall of several state legislators, California, Illinois, and many other states are always trying to make nonsensical laws that while technically still allow people to buy some guns, make things so ridiculous that theres almost no point, such as making you keep them inside the house, and if transporting to your car or in your car it must be totally separate from any bullets and be in a specifically-required locked box, some places even say 'you can have___guns are home but even in the house they must be disassembled and locked up, shit like this that makes it so onerous and pointless to even have a gun in the first place, Oregon recently enacted a Universal Registration meaning that even private transactions between individuals is government regulated..the dems rah-rah'ed this as a success on 'gun safety' of course, but it did absolutely to stop the recent Oregon shooter Nut.
None of this stuff has any effect whatsoever on crime or actual criminals, the sole purpose is to harass regular American gun owners so much that they will eventually just give up on it.
notice the recent rebranding of 'Gun Control' to 'Gun Safety'. that is all you hear now, from Dem politicians and in every article. it is a completet, top-down REBRANDING the same exact way 'Global Warming' became 'Climate Change', they couldn't sell their fact-less BS no matter how hard they tried so they have to completely re-brand it
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look up the laws enacted by the states I mentioned in 2013. I don't have time to sit here and write out all the laws, but they basically included banning/mandatory registration of arbitrarily-designated 'scary-looking rifles', the banning of any magazine holding more than 7 rounds (effectively making 90+% of all standard-issue, standard size magazines illegal and all the regular citizens who owned them felons if they didn't get rid of them, effectively making the vast majority of modern, popular guns unusable), NY gov Cuomo publically stated there was 'no place in new York for those who own semi-auto rifles' ,Colorado enacted similar magazine limits and gun-registrations which led the the recall of several state legislators, California, Illinois, and many other states are always trying to make nonsensical laws that while technically still allow people to buy some guns, make things so ridiculous that theres almost no point, such as making you keep them inside the house, and if transporting to your car or in your car it must be totally separate from any bullets and be in a specifically-required locked box, some places even say 'you can have___guns are home but even in the house they must be disassembled and locked up, shit like this that makes it so onerous and pointless to even have a gun in the first place, Oregon recently enacted a Universal Registration meaning that even private transactions between individuals is government regulated..the dems rah-rah'ed this as a success on 'gun safety' of course, but it did absolutely to stop the recent Oregon shooter Nut.
None of this stuff has any effect whatsoever on crime or actual criminals, the sole purpose is to harass regular American gun owners so much that they will eventually just give up on it.
notice the recent rebranding of 'Gun Control' to 'Gun Safety'. that is all you hear now, from Dem politicians and in every article. it is a completet, top-down REBRANDING the same exact way 'Global Warming' became 'Climate Change', they couldn't sell their fact-less BS no matter how hard they tried so they have to completely re-brand it
California's magazine capacity is 10, so is New York. Colorado's is 15. Not sure why you stated "7 rounds" In which state is it 7 rounds?
What Cumo said, doesn't mean much in this discussion because i am asking what exactly has been set into law. I am sure we could dig up all sorts of stuff of what people say, but until laws are passed it don't me jack.
What California and other states are "always trying to make" is also moot in this discussion because we are talking about laws that have been passed and there will always be a group of peeps against all guns who will try and always pass stupid laws in most states. Except prolly Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, etc.
In my mind, keeping ammo and guns separated when traveling with them is not unreasonable and doesn't support your "laws that make it so only rich people can have guns" argument.
Regarding your "sole purpose" argument. This is gun regulation. Some of it seems ok. If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot. It should be illegal. If you don't have kids and want a loaded gun in your house how are the police going to know if they don't enough probable cause to search your house with a warrant? This seems like something that doesn't need to get all up in arms about.
It seems like you are buying into right wing propaganda here. You are off on magazine limits and don't seem to realize that 42 states don't have magazine limits.
I am pro 2nd amendment. Always will be. But i don't see anything too out of line happening. Maybe i am wrong. But what i do see is a lot of fear propaganda when it comes to gun control.
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so youre saying you believe Hilary wouldnt ban any guns given the chance?
It would require ratifying the constitution which is no easy task and not within the power of a president to do. She's just saying what people want to hear at the time, much like she has done in the past and flip flops when general consensus changes.
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No one will get the chance anytime soon. So what's the point of talking about something that will won't happen as if it will and that we should be afraid of it?
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No one will get the chance anytime soon. So what's the point of talking about something that will won't happen as if it will and that we should be afraid of it?
Stop using common sense the kid is afraid, cant you read?
FOX told Tony to be afraid, and like the good republican he is he immediately followed suit.
Now its falls on GB (his surrogate parent) to calm him down.
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i dont like private sales. way too easy for a dude to exit prison, pick up $, drive to walmart parking lot, and buy any weapon he wants. completely defeats the backgrounc check system.
also includes crazy people and those who beat their wives. no background check on pvt sales = nuts.
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California's magazine capacity is 10, so is New York. Colorado's is 15. Not sure why you stated "7 rounds" In which state is it 7 rounds?
What Cumo said, doesn't mean much in this discussion because i am asking what exactly has been set into law. I am sure we could dig up all sorts of stuff of what people say, but until laws are passed it don't me jack.
What California and other states are "always trying to make" is also moot in this discussion because we are talking about laws that have been passed and there will always be a group of peeps against all guns who will try and always pass stupid laws in most states. Except prolly Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, etc.
In my mind, keeping ammo and guns separated when traveling with them is not unreasonable and doesn't support your "laws that make it so only rich people can have guns" argument.
Regarding your "sole purpose" argument. This is gun regulation. Some of it seems ok. If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot. It should be illegal. If you don't have kids and want a loaded gun in your house how are the police going to know if they don't enough probable cause to search your house with a warrant? This seems like something that doesn't need to get all up in arms about.
It seems like you are buying into right wing propaganda here. You are off on magazine limits and don't seem to realize that 42 states don't have magazine limits.
I am pro 2nd amendment. Always will be. But i don't see anything too out of line happening. Maybe i am wrong. But what i do see is a lot of fear propaganda when it comes to gun control.
it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit; it may have been changed back to 10 since then, im not sure. the point of all these things is that it really is a slippery slope when it comes to this; the Left has always and will always try anything and everything to undermine the 2nd. if we give them even an inch, they will always come back for more.
all these thing serve only to harass regular guys like me and make things difficult for law-abiding people and do NOTHING to affect criminals.
and your statement about anyone having guns in the house with kids is also extremely ignorant...there are literally TENS OF MILLIONS of American households with both guns and kids, and in 99.9999% of them nothing bad ever happens. the one time a kid dies cause the parent was an idiot, it makes all the headlines and everyone says 'oh those scary guns!!' ..you know they don't report every day? 'today, in 50 million American households with kids and guns, nothing happened'. they could repeat that headline every day because it is true.
many times more kids die in swimming pools every year, are you gonna say 'anyone with kids who has a swimming pool is an idiot'? ::)
who is fearmongering now?
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i dont like private sales. way too easy for a dude to exit prison, pick up $, drive to walmart parking lot, and buy any weapon he wants. completely defeats the backgrounc check system.
also includes crazy people and those who beat their wives. no background check on pvt sales = nuts.
there is simply no way to regulate private sales of ANYTHING between individuals. Drugs are completely banned and illegal, yet what does that do to stop millions of americans conducting private sales of drugs on every corner and parking lot in the nation every day? absolutely nothing. its a joke. if bad people want whatever, there will always be back channels to get it.
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it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit; it may have been changed back to 10 since then, im not sure. the point of all these things is that it really is a slippery slope when it comes to this; the Left has always and will always try anything and everything to undermine the 2nd. if we give them even an inch, they will always come back for more.
There is almost always going to be an opposing view point to anything. Us vs them mentality which is what you display here doesn't get anything done. Fact is, it wasn't 7 rounds anywhere. yet you led with that point. which means you didn't even bother to check. its like you just regurgitated talking points that someone else fed to you.
all these thing serve only to harass regular guys like me and make things difficult for law-abiding people and do NOTHING to affect criminals.
Have you read all the laws?
What about concealed weapons permits?
What about suppressors/silencers being against the law?
What about passing a NCIS background check?
I am willing to bet you haven't.
and your statement about anyone having guns in the house with kids is also extremely ignorant...there are literally TENS OF MILLIONS of American households with both guns and kids, and in 99.9999% of them nothing bad ever happens. the one time a kid dies cause the parent was an idiot, it makes all the headlines and everyone says 'oh those scary guns!!' ..you know they don't report every day? 'today, in 50 million American households with kids and guns, nothing happened'. they could repeat that headline every day because it is true.
many times more kids die in swimming pools every year, are you gonna say 'anyone with kids who has a swimming pool is an idiot'? ::)
who is fearmongering now?
You really shouldn't take my statement out of context or at least get it right. here is what i said:
If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot.
I didn't say have guns and kids, i said LOADED GUNS!!!!!!!!!
I still stand by that statement even though there maybe millions of IDIOT Parents who do this in our country, its still fucking STUPID.
Just like the parent with kids 1-5 that have a pool in their back yard without a gate or fence around it. They are fucking stupid too.
Here is a picture for you. A parent cleans his guns in his bed room and puts them away loaded while his 2 year old opens the screen door and falls in the pool drowns.
THEY ARE STILLING FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE!!!! And its too bad laws have to be created to try and prevent that. but what's really more stupid? A person who leaves a loaded gun in their house with children or those who defend it?
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it was New York that rammed thru the 7-round limit;
that's not an obama thing. that's a states' rights thing. People laugh when states' legalize pot, they laugh when states shake down brown people - but they scream when states' hate on gun rights.
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there is simply no way to regulate private sales of ANYTHING between individuals.
sure there is.
First of all, make it illegal. Idiots like me (few and far between) that follow every law will adhere to it.
Secondly, make it a huge penalty and do lots of public stings. Life in prison for selling to Chris Hanson on Dateline... yes, yes, yes, people will slow down the majority of private sales.
You can never stop everything from anyone on ANY topic. but highly publicized enforcement with tough penalties work.
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OK so I'm in the camp that says not an inch on guns..no matter how ridiculous or minor the new law is...not an inch. The NRA fights every friggen thing and the facts back it up. I own a couple of AR's and more then enough of everything else but AR's are cool and scary to libs. Go try and buy a suppressor. Its maybe at best a 100-150 can of metal and composite....but nope they have to sell it for 4-600 or more then there's a stupid ass $200 tax stamp. Plus it takes a few weeks. All because it looks scary. I've run out of shit to do to my new Sig and I'd like a suppressor but almost 1K for a nice to have because the libs think their even more scary...
I buy ammo every month for everything I own because that's the next thing. Mags and ammo. They want to tax that, they'd like to make you register it as well. Yet these same people have zero issues with hard core drug and alcohol use. They have no issue with allowing criminal aliens into the country.
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OK so I'm in the camp that says not an inch on guns..no matter how ridiculous or minor the new law is...not an inch.
what about better communication with departments to stop domestic abusers from buying guns while an injunction is on them?
What about better systems to prevent those with mental issues from buying a gun?
we know at least 1 of these recent shooters had an ongoing mental case and they sold him one anyway. If it just stops ONE shooting, why not support this? Crazy people or wifebeaters do NOT need to buy weapons until they resolve their shit.
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"I think even a short sighted flip flopper like you can understand that eventually their will be a time when a democratic president will have the ability to push their agenda through, how do you know that time wont be if hilary is put in charge?"
obama has always been way more liberal than hilary. and he didn't even go after guns. even when he owned both houses.
it'll never happen. obama did a lot of liberal shit but never went at guns, aside from better background checks. he even left gunshow loophole in place.
LMFAO great politician answer, answer the question without ever addressing it...::)
obama did try to push ammo bans through the ATF, I believe you were on here lambasting him for it and now youre saying it never happend.
NOT FUCKING SURPRISED!!!
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It would require ratifying the constitution which is no easy task and not within the power of a president to do. She's just saying what people want to hear at the time, much like she has done in the past and flip flops when general consensus changes.
the previous assault weapons ban was ratified in the constitution?
you dont have to ratify the constitution to ban certain guns...
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obama did try to push ammo bans through the ATF, I believe you were on here lambasting him for it and now youre saying it never happend.
how did he "push" it?
Speeches to the media to raise the fundraiser dollars?
Or did he submit some sort of legislation which was defeated?
I mean other than the pandering words of a Kenyan usurper - how was it "pushed"?
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the previous assault weapons ban was ratified in the constitution?
you dont have to ratify the constitution to ban certain guns...
People aren't gonna freak out about an assault weapons ban, especially one that's been on and off. If there was any REAL movement (something that actually had a chance) to repeal the 2nd amendment there would be a huge outcry over it and it would immediately fail. So talking about someone who "would" if "given" the chance in this context is kind of pointless.
Regarding Obama, his record on control from the POV of gun control supporters is pretty shitty.
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do gun grabbers not realize that its the 2nd amendment that protects their constitutional right to their 1st amendment or do they not even care?
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do gun grabbers not realize that its the 2nd amendment that protects their constitutional right to their 1st amendment or do they not even care?
Are you saying that the fact people have guns will prevent the military from executing the will of the government?
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Are you saying that the fact people have guns will prevent the military from executing the will of the government?
All I am saying is without them you most definitely do NOT have a chance to stop them...
that was the whole point of the 2nd amendment and why it was written into the constitution.. to have at least the chance to overthrow a tyrannical government...
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All I am saying is without them you most definitely do NOT have a chance to stop them...
that was the whole point of the 2nd amendment and why it was written into the constitution.. to have at least the chance to overthrow a tyrannical government...
I agree, but still either way, with or without them, if our government became tyrannical we couldn't stop it with citizen owned guns.
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Maybe the point is to make as much noise as possible, and to make it as difficult as we can for the tyrants to have their way. Force them to show what they're really about, because you know they'll be trying to play the "good guy" when they're doing it. The more honest citizens who are armed, the more difficult it is to quietly take us over.
What's the other option?
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Maybe the point is to make as much noise as possible, and to make it as difficult as we can for the tyrants to have their way. Force them to show what they're really about, because you know they'll be trying to play the "good guy" when they're doing it. The more honest citizens who are armed, the more difficult it is to quietly take us over.
What's the other option?
I think that's a way over dramatic view.
We have still shown the capacity to initiate change in our country. We are so rooted in our bill of rights and still function as a republic for the most part. Still needs much improvement and the way things are now its very difficult (too much money in politics).
Citizens being armed doesn't mean much. Armed citizens will not stand up to the most powerful military in the world in any significant way. What preserves the 2nd amendment is that enough of our culture is still believes that the right to bear arms is a core right of being an American.
We will always have different groups of people who are against the most basic of our core beliefs as a nation. Even after Pearl Harbor there were still a couple of representatives who voted against war. That's part of what makes this country great.
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I think that's a way over dramatic view.
We have still shown the capacity to initiate change in our country. We are so rooted in our bill of rights and still function as a republic for the most part. Still needs much improvement and the way things are now its very difficult (too much money in politics).
Citizens being armed doesn't mean much. Armed citizens will not stand up to the most powerful military in the world in any significant way. What preserves the 2nd amendment is that enough of our culture is still believes that the right to bear arms is a core right of being an American.
We will always have different groups of people who are against the most basic of our core beliefs as a nation. Even after Pearl Harbor there were still a couple of representatives who voted against war. That's part of what makes this country great.
No?
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No?
Not when it comes to facing a modern military like the US Army
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Not when it comes to facing a modern military like the US Army
Do you mean because the military can take extra steps necessary to impose their will?
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The "military" ain't doing shit to law abiding 2nd Amendment supporters...as we're all governed and swore oaths to the Constitution and not to Barry fucking Obama and Hil. I'd love to see them try and send us house to house to confiscate. This would all be shortly followed by a civil war...and then camps for the libs.
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Do you mean because the military can take extra steps necessary to impose their will?
No, I mean modern militia will not be able to stop a modern day army. No doubt, harm could be inflicted on soldiers, but it will not stop them. Best we could hope for is an insurgent war that depending on the will of the tyrannical government prolly wouldn't last very long. If we faced them head on we would be crushed faster than any arab army.
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The "military" ain't doing shit to law abiding 2nd Amendment supporters...as we're all governed and swore oaths to the Constitution and not to Barry fucking Obama and Hil. I'd love to see them try and send us house to house to confiscate. This would all be shortly followed by a civil war...and then camps for the libs.
No kidding. But we are in "hypothetical land" at the moment.
and then camps for the libs.
lol
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No, I mean modern militia will not be able to stop a modern day army. No doubt, harm could be inflicted on soldiers, but it will not stop them. Best we could hope for is an insurgent war that depending on the will of the tyrannical government prolly wouldn't last very long. If we faced them head on we would be crushed faster than any arab army.
I think the insurgent war is accurate, but really, that's mostly what the American Revolution was.
There is nothing to control if the populace is dead.
Eventually, tyrannical governments pack it in... It's not worth it in the long run.
When it comes to wars, it may take a long time, but the home teams always win.
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No, I mean modern militia will not be able to stop a modern day army. No doubt, harm could be inflicted on soldiers, but it will not stop them. Best we could hope for is an insurgent war that depending on the will of the tyrannical government prolly wouldn't last very long. If we faced them head on we would be crushed faster than any arab army.
It makes it so much more difficult for wolves to wear sheep clothes, when they're faced with guns.
Do you agree with that?
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It makes it so much more difficult for wolves to wear sheep clothes, when they're faced with guns.
Do you agree with that?
I think cliches working in the real world often do better in theory than in practice. Too many variables.
For example:
So much more difficult as compared to what?
And what if those are really sheep wearing wolves clothing underneath sheep's clothing and the people with guns foolishly believe they will work against, APC's, Tanks, Drones, Seals, and A-10's?
Or that and armed force as the one i just described goes into a rural town of 5000 people. Do you really think that they having guns is really going to stop anything? You are right about one thing, they will think twice..... "ROE's" shot first or not?
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I think cliches working in the real world often do better in theory than in practice. Too many variables.
For example:
So much more difficult as compared to what?
Compared to facing unarmed people.
And what if those are really sheep wearing wolves clothing underneath sheep's clothing and the people with guns foolishly believe they will work against, APC's, Tanks, Drones, Seals, and A-10's?
Or that and armed force as the one i just described goes into a rural town of 5000 people. Do you really think that they having guns is really going to stop anything? You are right about one thing, they will think twice..... "ROE's" shot first or not?
Right away, then, we've found a difference between something involving unarmed citizens vs. armed ones. Isn't that true?
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It's not a deterent nor a factor. So there is no point.
BTW in case you don't know. I am pro-2nd amendment.
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It's not a deterent nor a factor. So there is no point.
BTW in case you don't know. I am pro-2nd amendment.
No point in what?
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did you guys hear about that zombicon shooting in fort myers, this past saturday night?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/18/us/zombicon-shooting-fort-myers-florida/
the problem wasn't guns - the problem was letting 20,000 people into a small area with exactly 90 police officers, and allowing them to wear disguises and carry fake guns. People say cops were ducking behind cars cause they heard bangs, looked up, and saw a hundred guns and didn't know what was what. Video of the shooter shows him holstering his weapon while walking right past a cop, 4 seconds after firing. Cop didn't notice him.
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No, I mean modern militia will not be able to stop a modern day army. No doubt, harm could be inflicted on soldiers, but it will not stop them. Best we could hope for is an insurgent war that depending on the will of the tyrannical government prolly wouldn't last very long. If we faced them head on we would be crushed faster than any arab army.
who is facing anyone head on anyway?
The whole argument that b/c we as citizens are way out gunned it justifies taking them away is asinine. Even if you believe it, your reaction is to what? Bend over and fucking take whatever they have for you???
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People aren't gonna freak out about an assault weapons ban, especially one that's been on and off. If there was any REAL movement (something that actually had a chance) to repeal the 2nd amendment there would be a huge outcry over it and it would immediately fail. So talking about someone who "would" if "given" the chance in this context is kind of pointless.
Regarding Obama, his record on control from the POV of gun control supporters is pretty shitty.
what youre taking for granted is that: 1. any politician would come out and say they wanted an all out ban even if they did. 2. Rights are rarely taken away in one swipe, they are taken away in bits and pieces.
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...which is why the NRA won't give an inch. That's why I don't care about all the loophole sales bs. Gents how many of you have gone to a gun show? Generally speaking it looks like a sons of the confederacy meeting with machine guns. They aren't selling to cholo's or sketchy black dudes. The ones I've been to had ATF checking ID's at the door.
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There is almost always going to be an opposing view point to anything. Us vs them mentality which is what you display here doesn't get anything done. Fact is, it wasn't 7 rounds anywhere. yet you led with that point. which means you didn't even bother to check. its like you just regurgitated talking points that someone else fed to you.
I am willing to bet you haven't.
yes it was. i believe it was the NY 'Safe Act' which was rammed thru by Cuomo's goons right after Sandy hook. just google 'new york 7 round limit' and you will, find it if you don't believe me.
also, I AM familiar with the stuff you mentioned; i have gone thru the background check process multiple times, every gun ive bought has required them, as did getting my CC license which also requires fingerprinting and separate checks.
lastly, this may boggle your mind, but there are MILLIONS of American households with kids AND a loaded weapon and in 99.999 % of them nothing happens every day. you only hear about the exceptions, where some idiot left a chambered round, no safety(or safety off) gun sitting where a kid could get it. these are the fools who cause tragedies and give the millions of other responsible ones a bad name when in fact they are the anomalies. the vast majority of (legal)gun owners are extremely rigid about safety and are highly responsible, statistics bears this out.
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who is facing anyone head on anyway?
The whole argument that b/c we as citizens are way out gunned it justifies taking them away is asinine. Even if you believe it, your reaction is to what? Bend over and fucking take whatever they have for you???
That's not my argument at all. Don't know where you come up that.
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what youre taking for granted is that: 1. any politician would come out and say they wanted an all out ban even if they did. 2. Rights are rarely taken away in one swipe, they are taken away in bits and pieces.
So when they made the seat belts laws those are bits and pieces that eventually will lead to us not being to drive or when they made the cell phone law while driving those are bits and pieces that eventually will lead us to not being able to use cell phones.
Your #2 is straight fear propaganda bullshit in this instance.
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yes it was. i believe it was the NY 'Safe Act' which was rammed thru by Cuomo's goons right after Sandy hook. just google 'new york 7 round limit' and you will, find it if you don't believe me.
also, I AM familiar with the stuff you mentioned; i have gone thru the background check process multiple times, every gun ive bought has required them, as did getting my CC license which also requires fingerprinting and separate checks.
lastly, this may boggle your mind, but there are MILLIONS of American households with kids AND a loaded weapon and in 99.999 % of them nothing happens every day. you only hear about the exceptions, where some idiot left a chambered round, no safety(or safety off) gun sitting where a kid could get it. these are the fools who cause tragedies and give the millions of other responsible ones a bad name when in fact they are the anomalies. the vast majority of (legal)gun owners are extremely rigid about safety and are highly responsible, statistics bears this out.
I don't have a problem with law that makes illegal to keep a loaded gun in a house with children. But if there isn't a law like that I really don't have a problem with it either. You are still a dumbass if you do have loaded gun with kids in the house and should probably spend a day with a parent whose kid hand an accident with one and killed himself or someone else.
Earlier I ask you what exactly they doing and so far you have given me inaccurate magazine limit that only exists in 8 states and charged that all these laws only help criminals which I have shown isn't true. And accusations about people's intentions which isn't anything until something is actually done like a law.
Anything else?
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You can have a loaded gun as long as the kids can't get to it....there are ways to ensure its still accessible. Once the kids are older they need to be taught the correct way to handle the weapon ad if the parent judges that their kid is a retard or menace then they need to take appropriate measures but its the not for the state to decide. I never have a round chambered. For me if you do then there is a chance you may actually need the weapon and generally I don't. I only started carrying again after I moved to Texas. Right now open carry is set to hit one Jan.
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yep, my offspring know the gun is a no-no, but they understand the mechanics, how to clean, all the details. It's like a vacuum cleaner or surge protecter to them, just another piece of adult equipment to make life good. There is zero curiosity. and in the rare event that a magazine falls or an empty holster is lying about, they win $5 everytime they catch daddy slipping with any piece of gun stuff. Never left a gun in their reach of course, but an empty fanny pack or cleaning kit, anything like that, and I have to pay out cash as punishment lol.
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The "military" ain't doing shit to law abiding 2nd Amendment supporters...as we're all governed and swore oaths to the Constitution and not to Barry fucking Obama and Hil.
actually thats 100% false now.. used to be true..
I personally know a very high ranking military officer who has told me in private that the military is now sworn to uphold ORDERS even if said orders directly go against the Constitution...
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As a current high ranking officer...thats bullshit. Nobody within spitting distance of my office would follow ay orders like that...we might go through the motions but its not happening. My oath is to the Constitution not to Obama...if the order is legal ethical and moral I have to follow it. Confiscation of guns would go against the legal part of that as you will never get an amendment passed to make it so. The situation in this country for the 2nd to be repealed would mean we were already in a civil war and I suspect I'd be in the Texas republic's army not the Federal one where that to happen.
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You can have a loaded gun as long as the kids can't get to it....there are ways to ensure its still accessible. Once the kids are older they need to be taught the correct way to handle the weapon ad if the parent judges that their kid is a retard or menace then they need to take appropriate measures but its the not for the state to decide. I never have a round chambered. For me if you do then there is a chance you may actually need the weapon and generally I don't. I only started carrying again after I moved to Texas. Right now open carry is set to hit one Jan.
Works for me. Still wouldn't have a loaded gun in my house. Ammo and gun? yes and all the things you talked about.
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No point in what?
Saying something is going to make a difference (by cliche, principle or argument) when in fact the result will be the same without any significant delay or obstruction.
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Saying something is going to make a difference (by cliche, principle or argument) when in fact the result will be the same without any significant delay or obstruction.
That is untrue, though. It couldn't be any less true. It forces everyone concerned to behave differently. IT FORCES THEM.
What else can do that?
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That is untrue, though. It couldn't be any less true. It forces everyone concerned to behave differently. IT FORCES THEM.
What else can do that?
Are you saying the end result wouldn't be different?
Doesn't matter how they different they behave if the rend result is still the same without significant delay or obstruction
all of which you are suggesting is a complete hypothetical anyway
The fact that we have guns isn't stopping anyone from outlawing them.
What's stopping them is the constitution and the amount of votes and favorable public opinion that it would take to repeal it.
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Are you saying the end result wouldn't be different?
Doesn't matter how they different they behave if the rend result is still the same without significant delay or obstruction
Except for the fact that EVERYTHING is a process, and the behavior within DOES determine the result.
all of which you are suggesting is a complete hypothetical anyway
The fact that we have guns isn't stopping anyone from outlawing them.
What's stopping them is the constitution and the amount of votes and favorable public opinion that it would take to repeal it.
Sounds like it would take some dirty doings to change. Nonstop deception, in many forms. I can't think of any other strategy that could work (if someone is looking to strategize against gun ownership).
Can you imagine there might be people, right now, strategizing in that way?
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Except for the fact that EVERYTHING is a process, and the behavior within DOES determine the result.
Are you saying the end result would be different or not?
Sounds like it would take some dirty doings to change. Nonstop deception, in many forms. I can't think of any other strategy that could work (if someone is looking to strategize against gun ownership).
Can you imagine there might be people, right now, strategizing in that way?
There are people right now strategizing ways to make coffee illegal. Should i be concerned? No. People hell bent on making guns illegal? Should i be concerned? Not at the moment or any time soon.
Basically what you and tony have seemed to fall prey to standard fear propaganda. You are even using absolutes to argue it.
the 2nd amendment is not going to get over turned people. ::)
Its sad that the republican propaganda machine has resorted into scaring ignorant rednecks.
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Are you saying the end result would be different or not?
You mean the end result of rogues using the military to violate our rights?
There are people right now strategizing ways to make coffee illegal. Should i be concerned? No. People hell bent on making guns illegal? Should i be concerned? Not at the moment or any time soon.
When, then?
Basically what you and tony have seemed to fall prey to standard fear propaganda. You are even using absolutes to argue it.
the 2nd amendment is not going to get over turned people. ::)
Its sad that the republican propaganda machine has resorted into scaring ignorant rednecks.
OK, it's only "ignorant rednecks" with something to lose. Keep watching your television and keep getting hypnotized by the lies.
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You mean the end result of rogues using the military to violate our rights?
You know what i mean.
When, then?
When some actual stuff starts happening.
OK, it's only "ignorant rednecks" with something to lose. Keep watching your television and keep getting hypnotized by the lies.
Totally misread by you.
That's twice in 1 post. You have reading comprehension issues?
I suspect you are just trolling now or a broderline CT nut. I was very clear on what i said on both counts in my previous post. Address your mistakes or what ever they are first before we move on.
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You know what i mean.
Yes, I'd say so.
When some actual stuff starts happening.
after the fact, you mean?
Totally misread by you.
That's twice in 1 post. You have reading comprehension issues?
I suspect you are just trolling now or a broderline CT nut. I was very clear on what i said on both counts in my previous post. Address your mistakes or what ever they are first before we move on.
OK, as long as you understand, then I forgive you.
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Yes, I'd say so.
after the fact, you mean?
OK, as long as you understand, then I forgive you.
::)
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about time.
give everyone a gun.
just charge the bejeezus outta the bullets.
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about time.
give everyone a gun.
just charge the bejeezus outta the bullets.
both are very expensive anyway lol
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You know what i mean.
When some actual stuff starts happening.
Totally misread by you.
That's twice in 1 post. You have reading comprehension issues?
I suspect you are just trolling now or a broderline CT nut. I was very clear on what i said on both counts in my previous post. Address your mistakes or what ever they are first before we move on.
This is obviously Jack T. Cross.
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This is obviously Jack T. Cross.
Wow! That's what I was thinking.
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Wow! That's what I was thinking.
Yeah. He denied it, but not that hard to figure out.
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Lol, the anti-gun forces make an anti-argument.
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Yeah. He denied it, but not that hard to figure out.
Link?
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I found it. Good thread. (it's the one about Whataburger and the police)
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I found it. Good thread. (it's the one about Whataburger and the police)
Yep.
Ok. That explains it. Thanks.
Las Vegas/Jack T. Cross: you were referring to the wrong article.
Close, but no cigar.
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Even if he isn't, it's the same tired trolling tactic.
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More on the liberal conspiracy headed by the likes of Hillary Clinton and other government hacks to take away your guns little by little until the 2nd amendment disappears.
http://www.opencarrytexas.org/faq.html (http://www.opencarrytexas.org/faq.html)
As of Jan. 1 2016 you will be able to open carry firearms in Texas. Now Texas joins 44 other states that allow open carry and 32 of them who require no registration, permit or license to do so.
Yes, you ignorant rednecks, they are coming to get your guns! Circle your trailers, there's liberals in dem hills coming to take your freedom away!!!! Freedoms like being able to not to choose cheaper prescription drugs, welfare, planned parent hood, GMO's, and white presidents not born in Kenya.
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I remember ammo and handgun shortages in Dec 2008. gun store owners were telling us to stock up, the gun bans start in spring 2009.
never really happened, did it? if anything, idiots like ZImmerman have MORE power to chase and kill under obama's administration. 'stand your ground' is a disaster. thanks, obama!
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I remember ammo and handgun shortages in Dec 2008. gun store owners were telling us to stock up, the gun bans start in spring 2009.
never really happened, did it? if anything, idiots like ZImmerman have MORE power to chase and kill under obama's administration. 'stand your ground' is a disaster. thanks, obama!
This liberal conspiracy is out of control. Hold your children close and protect them, but hold your guns closer!
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More on the liberal conspiracy headed by the likes of Hillary Clinton and other government hacks to take away your guns little by little until the 2nd amendment disappears.
http://www.opencarrytexas.org/faq.html (http://www.opencarrytexas.org/faq.html)
As of Jan. 1 2016 you will be able to open carry firearms in Texas. Now Texas joins 44 other states that allow open carry and 32 of them who require no registration, permit or license to do so.
Yes, you ignorant rednecks, they are coming to get your guns! Circle your trailers, there's liberals in dem hills coming to take your freedom away!!!! Freedoms like being able to not to choose cheaper prescription drugs, welfare, planned parent hood, GMO's, and white presidents not born in Kenya.
Well, to be fair... It's a backlash against the idea that the 2nd amendment is under attack.
Now, also, let's be clear... While on a national level, Democrats do seem to have it pretty good, on a local level, most localities are Republican.
That's just how it goes. It's good to have a stalemate at times, although it seems as if the President does get to do more of what he wants.
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I don't have a problem with law that makes illegal to keep a loaded gun in a house with children. But if there isn't a law like that I really don't have a problem with it either. You are still a dumbass if you do have loaded gun with kids in the house and should probably spend a day with a parent whose kid hand an accident with one and killed himself or someone else.
Earlier I ask you what exactly they doing and so far you have given me inaccurate magazine limit that only exists in 8 states and charged that all these laws only help criminals which I have shown isn't true. And accusations about people's intentions which isn't anything until something is actually done like a law.
Anything else?
How about tha awb ban? Was that not aimed at taking away guns???
So you think that intentions and desires count for nothing until a law is passed?
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So when they made the seat belts laws those are bits and pieces that eventually will lead to us not being to drive or when they made the cell phone law while driving those are bits and pieces that eventually will lead us to not being able to use cell phones.
Your #2 is straight fear propaganda bullshit in this instance.
Who wants to ban cell phones?
There are politicians that are openly for taking away guns or talking about taking away guns, when you have people in the position to propose and pass legislation to take guns away...it isn't fear propaganda
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California's magazine capacity is 10, so is New York. Colorado's is 15. Not sure why you stated "7 rounds" In which state is it 7 rounds?
What Cumo said, doesn't mean much in this discussion because i am asking what exactly has been set into law. I am sure we could dig up all sorts of stuff of what people say, but until laws are passed it don't me jack.
What California and other states are "always trying to make" is also moot in this discussion because we are talking about laws that have been passed and there will always be a group of peeps against all guns who will try and always pass stupid laws in most states. Except prolly Montana, Wyoming, Kansas, etc.
In my mind, keeping ammo and guns separated when traveling with them is not unreasonable and doesn't support your "laws that make it so only rich people can have guns" argument.
Regarding your "sole purpose" argument. This is gun regulation. Some of it seems ok. If you have a loaded gun in your house and have children you are an idiot. It should be illegal. If you don't have kids and want a loaded gun in your house how are the police going to know if they don't enough probable cause to search your house with a warrant? This seems like something that doesn't need to get all up in arms about.
It seems like you are buying into right wing propaganda here. You are off on magazine limits and don't seem to realize that 42 states don't have magazine limits.
I am pro 2nd amendment. Always will be. But i don't see anything too out of line happening. Maybe i am wrong. But what i do see is a lot of fear propaganda when it comes to gun control.
NY state law is 7 rounds in the mag. But you can actually carry 8 if you have one in the chamber. Cumo even admitted they never thought of that before it passed, showing how little they know about guns.
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NY state law is 7 rounds in the mag. But you can actually carry 8 if you have one in the chamber. Cumo even admitted they never thought of that before it passed, showing how little they know about guns.
it is funny to listen to these pro gun control people talking about guns bc inevitably they say something the shows they know nothing about them.
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NY state law is 7 rounds in the mag. But you can actually carry 8 if you have one in the chamber. Cumo even admitted they never thought of that before it passed, showing how little they know about guns.
Nope, its 10 rounds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York)
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2013/12/8538119/judge-strikes-down-bullet-limit-upholds-law (http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/albany/2013/12/8538119/judge-strikes-down-bullet-limit-upholds-law)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0)
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it is funny to listen to these pro gun control people talking about guns bc inevitably they say something the shows they know nothing about them.
What's funny is people's mass hysteria based on the absence of fact
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shot with a semi automatic weapon as opposed to what....they don't realize that semi auto means one pull one shot. If its a hand gun in 99.9% of the cases its friggen semi auto....its just a media phase to scare people. Most auto pistols go for like 5 grand and most class 3 license holders don't commit gun crimes. Guns like that are a collector oddity..like the Beretta M93R. They have one at my prefered gun store....I don't see the point.
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shot with a semi automatic weapon as opposed to what....
musket shootings are up 700% under obama.
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Who wants to ban cell phones?
There are politicians that are openly for taking away guns or talking about taking away guns, when you have people in the position to propose and pass legislation to take guns away...it isn't fear propaganda
Its total fear propaganda until things actually get passed. You suggesting they things in bits and pieces that lead to the 2nd amendment getting over turned? GMAFB.
There will always be opposition from pacifists and extreme liberals to guns and in turn there are large sections of population who don't own guns and don't see the need and therefore are susceptible to that rhetoric which a politician will use.
Nothing significant has been passed nor has much in the realm of bits and pieces. However some bits and pieces have gone the other way haven't they? Texas open carry and from what hear Florida soon to follow.
All this Gun BS is another desperate way the conservatives use to rile up the ignorant rednecks.
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But Obama "wants" it.
Since people's desires, when not acted upon, affect us in any way?
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Its total fear propaganda until things actually get passed. You suggesting they things in bits and pieces that lead to the 2nd amendment getting over turned? GMAFB.
There will always be opposition from pacifists and extreme liberals to guns and in turn there are large sections of population who don't own guns and don't see the need and therefore are susceptible to that rhetoric which a politician will use.
Nothing significant has been passed nor has much in the realm of bits and pieces. However some bits and pieces have gone the other way haven't they? Texas open carry and from what hear Florida soon to follow.
All this Gun BS is another desperate way the conservatives use to rile up the ignorant rednecks.
Lol yes you have a presidential candida talking about taking guns away, politicians talking about taking guns away and it's just all fear propaganda ::)
The idea that until it happens its fear propaganda is idiotic, if people are actively talking about doing it...ITS NOT PROPAGANDA!!!!
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What's funny is people's mass hysteria based on the absence of fact
you deny that they are talking about banning guns? You deny that there are politicians in congress that want to ban guns?
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why can't we speak on the real problem that exists?
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Lol yes you have a presidential candida talking about taking guns away, politicians talking about taking guns away and it's just all fear propaganda ::)
The idea that until it happens its fear propaganda is idiotic, if people are actively talking about doing it...ITS NOT PROPAGANDA!!!!
Its politics!!! Why is that news to you?
And then we got idiots who cite laws that don't even exist!!!
You claim that its bits and pieces, and all you barely have stems and seeds.
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you deny that they are talking about banning guns? You deny that there are politicians in congress that want to ban guns?
OMG there are politicians that want different things than us.... circle the wagons!!!!!
NEWS: THE 2ND AMENDMENT WILL NOT GET OVERTURNED. There is nothing going on that points to it. People/.groups/polticians have been rallying against guns for ever so the fuck what?
stop being so susceptible to fear propaganda.
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Its politics!!! Why is that news to you?
And then we got idiots who cite laws that don't even exist!!!
You claim that its bits and pieces, and all you barely have stems and seeds.
It's news bc that is a constitutional right...what other constitutional right is being talked about doing away with?
Do you think an "assault weapons" ban is a step in that direction? Is that a stem or a seed?
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OMG there are politicians that want different things than us.... circle the wagons!!!!!
NEWS: THE 2ND AMENDMENT WILL NOT GET OVERTURNED. There is nothing going on that points to it. People/.groups/polticians have been rallying against guns for ever so the fuck what?
stop being so susceptible to fear propaganda.
Good to know I guess we can't take any politicians ideas serious until they pass and become law
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Its politics!!! Why is that news to you?
repubs can conveneintly go from "screw this politically correct crap" to babe in the woods with big eyes, in an instant.
far right repubs are cooking bacon with full auto machine guns, dems are talking about handgun dangers. it's just politics as usual.
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repubs can conveneintly go from "screw this politically correct crap" to babe in the woods with big eyes, in an instant.
far right repubs are cooking bacon with full auto machine guns, dems are talking about handgun dangers. it's just politics as usual.
Good to know, I'm guessing you'll stop bashing the rep candidates now since what someone wants to do doesn't matter
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Good to know, I'm guessing you'll stop bashing the rep candidates now since what someone wants to do doesn't matter
i bash both sides. it's fun. they're all just pandering for donor $ and support.
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Good to know, I'm guessing you'll stop bashing the rep candidates now since what someone wants to do doesn't matter
Bash who ever all you want. I do. but don't for one second expect me to buy into obvious propaganda bull shit from either side. And don't expect me to not to call BS when you or anyone else is acting as if its something more that words.
Com on Tony! 2 peeps already on this thread claiming its a 7 round magazine limit when the FACT is its not!!!!!! And its only in 8 sates that's there are limits. And then there's open carry laws being passed.
I mean COM ON MAN!!!! (insert Chris Carter NFL sound bite here) the 2nd amendment is going no where.
I know i haven't been on the forum much, but in my personal life i have been bashing the left's propaganda BS on immigration where they are blurring the lines between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
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Bash who ever all you want. I do. but don't for one second expect me to buy into obvious propaganda bull shit from either side. And don't expect me to not to call BS when you or anyone else is acting as if its something more that words.
Com on Tony! 2 peeps already on this thread claiming its a 7 round magazine limit when the FACT is its not!!!!!! And its only in 8 sates that's there are limits. And then there's open carry laws being passed.
I mean COM ON MAN!!!! (insert Chris Carter NFL sound bite here) the 2nd amendment is going no where.
I know i haven't been on the forum much, but in my personal life i have been bashing the left's propaganda BS on immigration where they are blurring the lines between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants.
I live in ny and own guns. I'm quite familiar with the law.
At first the law mandated no magazines with a capacity over 7 rounds. The actual magazines, mind you. Once they realized that nobody makes 7 round fucking magazines, they let the 10 round mags be used but you could only load 7. This was actual law at one point in time in albany. That's not up for debate, Oz. A judge then ruled it unconstitutional and enforcement of the 7 round limit is suspended for now. Appeals are ongoing.
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I live in ny and own guns. I'm quite familiar with the law.
At first the law mandated no magazines with a capacity over 7 rounds. The actual magazines, mind you. Once they realized that nobody makes 7 round fucking magazines, they let the 10 round mags be used but you could only load 7. This was actual law at one point in time in albany. That's not up for debate, Oz. A judge then ruled it unconstitutional and enforcement of the 7 round limit is suspended for now. Appeals are ongoing.
Not debating it. Its not 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0)
"In a 54-page ruling, Judge Skretny struck down a well-known but troubled portion of the law, which prohibited gun owners from loading more than seven rounds into a magazine. He called the limit “an arbitrary restriction” that violated the Second Amendment."
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Not debating it. Its not 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_York)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/nyregion/federal-judge-upholds-majority-of-new-york-gun-law.html?_r=0)
"In a 54-page ruling, Judge Skretny struck down a well-known but troubled portion of the law, which prohibited gun owners from loading more than seven rounds into a magazine. He called the limit “an arbitrary restriction” that violated the Second Amendment."
Sigh.
The law being ruled unconstitutional doesn't magically erase the votes needed to pass it in the middle of the night in albany without debate, which kinda goes to the point of the thread.
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Sigh.
The law being ruled unconstitutional doesn't magically erase the votes needed to pass it in the middle of the night in albany without debate, which kinda goes to the point of the thread.
Even if it is 7, we are talking about 1 state of 8 states with limits. If it gets voted that the limit is 7, that's our democracy (STATES RIGHTS, something repubs love to talk about) in action although because we are a republic a federal judge already ruled it unconstitutional so its prolly won't go anywhere. Hence, that's prolly why it still considered 10.
But of course if you are liberal fearing conservative, its all sneaky conspracy that's for sure to happen where they take your guns away and repeal the 2nd amendment
Boohoo! the 2nd amendment is going anywhere, which is what this thread is really about.
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Even if it is 7, we are talking about 1 state of 8 states with limits. If it gets voted that the limit is 7, that's our democracy (STATES RIGHTS, something repubs love to talk about) in action although because we are a republic a federal judge already ruled it unconstitutional so its prolly won't go anywhere. Hence, that's prolly why it still considered 10.
But of course if you are liberal fearing conservative, its all sneaky conspracy that's for sure to happen where they take your guns away and repeal the 2nd amendment
Boohoo! the 2nd amendment is going anywhere, which is what this thread is really about.
You took the misrepresentation of a part of the safeact by someone in this thread and ran with a false narrative, page after page. I simply corrected the record.
I'm glad you feel comfortable nobody is going to take away your rights, though. Although in CA you don't have much in the way of 2A rights anyway. (nor do I living in ny.) Perhaps that explains your indifference.
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You took the misrepresentation of a part of the safeact by someone in this thread and ran with a false narrative, page after page. I simply corrected the record.
I'm glad you feel comfortable nobody is going to take away your rights, though. Although in CA you don't have much in the way of 2A rights anyway. (nor do I living in ny.) Perhaps that explains your indifference.
That's only one of the things I talked about and responded to and put into perspective which is still murky as its been ruled unconstitutional and i am willing to bet gets overturned in the end anyway.
I can still buy and own guns in cali and you still have many guns in NY.
Like i said boohoo the 2nd amendment is getting over turned, there are magazine limits in 8 states. They have enacted some gun laws such BG checks..... Boohoo I don't have 2nd amendment rights.
Then you guys get your panties in bunch over what that CU-nt Hillary says as if you can't figure out she's politic-ing to her liberal base.
I would rather be realistic and practical than influenced by BS fear propaganda.
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why can't we speak on the real problem that exists?
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the libs and anti-gun people will not touch this with a 20-foot pole.